Debates of 28 Nov 2007

MR. SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10 a.m.

Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Order! Order! Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 27th November, 2007. Page 1 . . .
Mr. Yaw Effah-Baafi 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I was present throughout proceedings. My name should have appeared among those present, on page 3,but it has been indicated that I was absent, on page 6.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Thank you very much; correction would be done. Pages 4 -13. Hon. Members, we do not have any Official Report for today.
Hon. Members, we have the Addendum and then we shall deal with Questions. Is the hon. Minister for Education, Science and Sports in the House?
Prof. Dominic Fobih 10 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
You may take your proper seat.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10 a.m.

MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, 10 a.m.

SCIENCE AND SPORTS 10 a.m.

Minister for Education, Science and Sports (Prof. Dominic Fobih) 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, every year provision is made in the Ministry's budget including that of Ghana Education Trust Fund (GETFund) to cater for secondary schools not benefiting from the upgrading programme.
In the 2007 Budget for example, basic infrastructure such as classrooms, dormitories, science laboratories, libraries, et cetera, are being rehabilitated while new ones have been provided in a number of schools. Worawora Senior High School may benefit from such improvement programme in the 2008 Budget.
Mr. Banduah 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask the hon. Minister whether provision has been made in the 2008 Budget to cater for Worawora Secondary School.
Prof. Fobih 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I used the word “may” because we normally compute a number of classrooms that we think we can construct in a year and then estimate this in the Budget. Then when we get the approval from this House we work out the details in terms of the classrooms. That was why I used the word “may”. When we finish with that we will come to the regional and district distributions and that is the stage where I can actually be specific.
Mr. Banduah 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Minister has not answered my question. I am asking him whether that
from our constituencies?
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
Deputy Minority Leader, this question is not supplementary but if the Minister has the answers.
Mr. Doe Adjaho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am asking about furnishing us -- not immediately -- with the information to the House about the schools that are going to benefit from the 2008 Budget in terms of these facilities.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think it is a good suggestion to free myself from this array of questions on a similar thing all the time. So it will be considered.
Mr. Adjaho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, now that he has agreed that he will do so I want to find out from him when he will furnish that information.
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
This is still out of question.
Question 976.
Presbyterian Secondary School
(Fencing)
Q. 976. Alhaji Amadu B. Sorogho asked the Minister for Education, Science and Sports when the Ministry would consider fencing the Presbyterian Secondary School (PRESEC) at Legon to make the place safe for the staff and students.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Ministry has an elaborate plan to improve the facilities in our senior secondary schools. However, due to budgetary constraints, the Ministry's priorities are on the provision of basic academic facilities such as classrooms, science laboratories, libraries et cetera. Therefore the provision of other
provision has been made in the Budget. I want to know whether a provision has been made in the Budget to cater for Worawora Secondary School. That is the question I am asking.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am saying that provision has been made for that including other schools in the district.
Mr. Banduah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, once the
hon. Minister says provision has been made, can he assure the House that indeed, we shall see some work being done in the school during this financial year?
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I still stand by what I said, that all being well, there could be some improvement in the school.
Mr. Banduah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is saying that “all being well”. I am at a loss by the use of that phrase “all being well”. I want the hon. Minister to tell me, once he said provision has been made, when he expects work to start in the school.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I cannot be specific on that because there are certain processes we go through. So not until we have finished with the procurement processes and so on, I cannot give a definite date now.
Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, looking at the Answer given by the hon. Minister for Education, Science and Sports, it is quite clear that there is a government policy to the effect that those schools that are not benefiting from the upgrading programme should benefit from the other sources of funding to make the schools quite comfortable for teaching and learning. Will the hon. Minister furnish this House with those schools for 2008 that provision has been made for in order that all Members in the House will know so that there would not be the need for all of us to be bringing individual questions

facilities such as fencing of schools, as is in the case of PRESEC may be considered when more funds are made available.
Alhaji Sorogho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the same Question was posed to his predecessor, the then Minister, and the Answer he gave is completely at variance with what my senior has given now. Which one do I take? In that Answer, the Minister agreed that they were going to do something about the fence since it was very important.
Now the Minister here is telling us that they do not consider it as a priority project and for that reason they can only take it when funds become available. Can he tell me why the sudden change?
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what I said is setting our priorities in order. And I said that our priorities are in the construction of academic infrastructure. But I also said that when we have funds available we will extend the services to the provision of fence walls and other things. So if indeed my predecessor said that there were some funds available in the previous budget, I will look through. If the funds are available, we will go and do it.
Alhaji Sorogho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my second supplementary question is, now that he agrees, from his Answer, that the Ministry's priority is on the provision of basic academic facilities such as “classrooms, science laboratories, libraries, et cetera and the provision of other facilities such as fencing of schools as is in the case of PRESEC may be considered when more funds are made available” -- I want to find out how safe these facilities, the basic ones can be, when all of them are left to the mercy of thieves, as happens in PRESEC now.
In PRESEC now the students are not
safe; all sorts of characters go there, they smoke drugs, they do so many things. Does the Ministry not see this as a priority? The classroom items that are there are being stolen each and everyday. So I want to find out from the Minister, what is the essence of providing such facilities if they cannot be protected? What is the use of providing them if they cannot be protected because there is no wall and day in, day out they are being stolen. I want to find out.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was simply telling him the Ministry's priority set and the ordering of projects. But that does not mean that fencing is not important. It all depends on money; that was the point I made. As he rightly said, if indeed my predecessor made provision for it, I said I will check and if the money is available, we will use it.
Alhaji Sorogho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I know for sure that whatever money that might have been made available cannot be sitting there now when we are considering 2008 Budget. So I want to find out from the Minister now that this thing has become public knowledge and he has now gotten to know that these problems are there, what efforts will he be making to make sure that the school is fenced as a matter of priority and not as a matter of when funds become available?
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if we have funds to do it, I will make sure that it is considered as a priority.
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
Question 979. Basic School Sports (Status)
Q. 979. Mr. J. Z. Amenowode asked the Minister for Education, Science and Sports what the state of basic . . . school sports development in the country was.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, basic school
sports in the country is structured in such a way that ensures that all pupils -- from KG to the junior high school -- are given the opportunity to participate in physical education and sports programmes. This is made possible through the organization of sporting activities.
Before the introduction of the Capitation Grant, parents were paying sports fees to fund basic school physical education and sports programmes. As at now, the Capitation Grant has improved the system of funding for physical education and sports programmes since at least out of the thirty thousand cedis per pupil, six thousand cedis per pupil is spent on the provision of equipment and organization of sporting activities in basic schools.
With this development, the challenge of providing equipment for effective basic school sports is being addressed.
Mr. Amenowode 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my reason for asking this Question is that we have most of our youth in the villages in basic schools having talents that I know will support our national teams and improve our national health. I want to ask the hon. Minister if his Ministry has put in place a structure that involves all basic schools from village to village to be involved in competitions in which we can tap these resources.
Prof. Fobih 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes, we have officers responsible for sports and physical education in our school system. Besides this, we organize district and regional sporting activities up to the national level. So these are activities meant to tap the talents of the youth in schools as far as sports and sporting activities are concerned.
Mr. Amenowode 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do
not know how the Ministry, through the GES, monitors the Answer the Minister has just given. If you go to the ground, you will see that the district sports supervisors are not resourced. They are not mobile. Can the Minister please consider going to the ground and identify these problems and especially providing the district sports supervisors with motorcycles at least to be able to do this very important work?
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as far as our reporting system is concerned, the officers work to their senior officers. Therefore, they report to them on their activities. As to the challenges they face, if they have problems of that kind and they are brought to our attention, we will seriously consider them since we want to promote sports in all its forms.
Mr. J. Z. Amenowode 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister, in his Answer, said that ¢6,000 out of the ¢30,000 capitation grant is allocated to sports equipment and organisation. Hon. Amoah is not around but if he were here, he would corraborate the fact that one set of football jerseys costs about ¢2 million; a good football cost about ¢500,000 and a set of table tennis equipment is about ¢2 million.
In view of the high cost of sporting goods and equipment, does the hon. Minister consider ¢6,000 per pupil enough? If a junior high school has 40 pupils and you multiply that by three that adds up to 120. 120. So the ¢6,000 gives them ¢720,000. Can this purchase sports equipment to organise sports?
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we know that this may not be the upper limit of what they need in the schools but it is a good beginning to promoting sports and sporting activities.
In the mean time, we are considering ¢6,000.00 per child in a class. So a class of say, 40 or 45 strength is 45 times six
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.


times the number of children in the school entirely. So it is not like ¢6,000 and that is it. Besides this, we expect that there will be donations from individuals and corporate bodies. I believe that in some cases, hon. Members of Parliament have made donations from their share of the District Assemblies Common Fund to support this area of interest. So, I guess, my hon. Colleague might also assist us in that respect.
Mr. Ibn Mohammed Abass 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, given the place of sports in our educational curriculum, I want to find out from the hon. Minister whether the Ministry will consider supplying basic sports kits such as football and jerseys to some of our schools.
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, obviously, we will consider it, provided we have the means to do so. This is because we are talking about the entire nation and the number of basic schools and so on. But it is a good point that is worth considering when we have any available money for that purpose.
Mr. S. M. E. K. Ackah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at page 23 of the abridged version of the Budget Statement, paragraph 133, the Ministry of Health is coming out with a policy of preventive rather than curative health. And the emphasis is on hygiene and physical exercise. Now, in the new educational reform, physical education as a subject is no more on the timetable and that is the point where most of the skills needed by the children are supposed to be taught. What is the hon. Minister doing about this sort of shortcoming on the timetable of the basic schools?
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think physical education as a taught subject is different from physical education being a living subject, which reflects the entire life of the pupil. And that is what we are shifting away from. If it is a taught subject and it is only learnt for examination, the
children do not normally live by it. And that is why the Ministry of Health sees that despite the old system of teaching it as an examinable subject in the curriculum, there has not been any appreciable change in our health status and therefore he is devising some other means to improve the health status of our citizens.
We also think it must reflect in all activities of the school curriculum. So if there is any singing, there must be singing and dancing and dance is part of physical education. So this is the general conception we have.
Mr. Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Question number 981 - hon. Member for Hohoe South?
Hohoe E. P. Secondary School (District Model School)
Q. 981. Mr. J. Z. Amenowode asked the Minister for Education, Science and Sports when Hohoe E. P. Secondary School which had been selected as District Model School would be developed.
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the pro- gramme of upgrading selected senior high schools into model schools is being implemented in phases and the first phase is almost completed. The contract for the second phase of the upgrading pro-gramme comprising 25 senior high schools which includes the Hohoe E. P. Senior High School has been awarded and works on the projects are at various levels of completion. This second phase of the programme is being funded with support from the ADB and additional funds are to be made available by Government to provide more facilities in the schools.
Mr. Amenowode 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to confirm that the Question is a bit late because it was asked long ago and work has now started. But it is still relevant because of the other supplementary questions.
So I would want to know from the hon. Minister the scope of work that one should expect in an upgraded senior high school -- what types of buildings and stuff like that.
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the scope depends on the source of funding. In this particular case -- the Hohoe E. P. Senior High School -- I said that we originally were sourcing funds from the ADB and we know that that money was not adequate to put up all the infrastructure that is required. So Government of Ghana has to supplement and we are making provision for that.
So we build, normally classrooms, if those are the items he wants -- classrooms and science laboratories. But much will depend on the need of that particular school because there is a good science laboratory; there is no point investing in another laboratory; we will invest in other things.
Mr. Amenowode 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am asking for the scope because yesterday on the floor of this House, the hon. Minister of State at the Finance and Economic Planning Ministry and the former Western Regional Minister gave us an idea of the type of works. The former Western Regional Minister stated categorically that it involved about 12 buildings and that was why it was not going as fast as it should go.
My information is that the Hohoe project, as at now, involves three buildings -- an administration block, a visual arts studio, a 12-seater KVIP and a computer laboratory. My question is, is this the beginning or we should expect more to make up the 12 buildings as indicated by the former Western Regional Minister?
Prof. Fobih 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as I said, the upgrading is a supplement to what already exists in that school. So, the things the hon.
Member mentioned -- this is coming from the ADB funding and if there is need to add more to the number, the Govern-ment of Ghana will supplement. So it is not just a blanket idea that whichever school we are upgrading, we build all the 12 facilities there. As I said, the school does not have any of those items.
Mr. Amenowode 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my third and last question. Hohoe E. P. Secondary School is a very deprived school in Hohoe. It lacks accommodation for both girls and boys. It has many other problems; it is just like any other rural secondary school.
My question is, would the hon. Minister consider sending people to evaluate and then give a specific scope so that we know what to expect depending on the facilities on the ground?
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is exactly what they do. When we upgrade the district schools, the idea behind it is that that district must have at least one exceptional school which would be attractive to good candidates who may want to go to some of the so-called first class schools and so on. So we tried to provide comprehensive list of infrastruc- ture to make that school indeed a model one. So I think my hon. Colleague should not worry; we will make sure that it is really what he wants it to be.
Dr. A.Y. Alhassan 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the hon. Minister's Answer, he has indicated that the schools in the first phase are almost completed and yet a second phase has started. I would like to know when the second phase would be completed.
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I cannot tell offhand when each of the 25 schools will be completed. It depends so much on the progress of work of the contractors and many other things. But we will closely
Mr. Masoud 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the previous Answer, the Minister named 25 senior schools as being part of the schools that are going to be considered for the upgrading in the second phase. So I want to know in which of the phases the new district is likely to be featured.
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as a point
of clarification, during my last Answer here, it was made clear that hon. Members would want to know when their schools which have been considered as model schools are going to be phased; and I have decided that we would work this out and group them in phases.
But in the case of his school, it was not selected and now he belongs to a
Mr. Masoud 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to know when the hon. Minister would actually sit down to do the selection.
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I can say very soon.
Mr. Albert Abongo 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister states that the criteria for selection includes vulnerability. Can the Minister throw more light on this?
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I said
vulnerability in my Answer as, maybe, the deprivation of that district level.
Osei Tutu Secondary School
(School Bus)
Q. 989. Mr. Benito Owusu-Bio asked the Minister for Education, Science and Sports when Osei Tutu Secondary School would be given a school bus.
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is the policy of the Ministry of Education, Science and Sports to ensure that all schools have buses to enhance their smooth operation. As part of this policy, an exercise has been conducted to ascertain the number of schools in need of buses. Due to budgetary constraints the Ministry has phased the procurement of buses and hopes to complete the exercise within two years. So Osei Tutu Secondary School will fall into this category.
Mr. Owusu-Bio 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as a
follow-up question, I would want to know from the hon. Minister when the two-year period that he has mentioned begins and when it ends.
Prof. Fobih 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I said in this House in my last Answer that two years begin from now.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Minister for Education, Science and Sports, thank you very much for coming to answer these Questions. You are discharged.
At the Commencement of Public Business - Item 4.
MOTIONS 10:30 a.m.

Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC - Jomoro) 10:30 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, I rise to speak to the motion on the Government's Financial Statement for the Year 2008. Mr. Speaker, in fulfilment of article 179 of the Constitution, Government every year presents a budget for us to discuss and approve. According to the Government's own policy, the budget should be consistent with the aspirations in the Ghana Poverty Reduction Strategy (GPRS) II that is to reduce poverty and to improve the lives of our people.
But Mr. Speaker, presenting a budget should not be a fulfilment of the constitutional provision; the budget
Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC - Jomoro) 10:40 a.m.


Mr. Speaker, this is so because the Government owes contractors. When the Committee on Roads met the contractors in July this year at their own request, it was realised that the Government owed them close to three hundred and twenty billion cedis. How will they take on new jobs when they have not paid them for what was included in the Budget?

Mr. Speaker, we have been describing
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Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister for
Finance and Economic Planning, do you have a point order?
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 10:40 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know for a fact that this year the budget for the Highway for example, was about four hundred and eighty something billion cedis. As we are speaking today, we have paid over six hundred and fifty billion cedis to them. So we have even exceeded the budget that we gave them.
Mr. Speaker, if they have over-awarded contracts, then it is the cash flow issue. But he cannot say that the Government has not been paying the contractors. I
think that must be very clear to all of us. You can award contracts amounting to four billion or four trillion cedis but if the Government's budget is about four hundred and eighty billion cedis and we have settled that one, he cannot say that the Government is not paying. That fact must be very clear and if he has not got it, he must get it clear. We have paid. The Government has settled its bills -- [Interruptions] - Over the year - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister, you should not be distracted.
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Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for Jomoro, are you yielding to the Minority Leader to complete your contribution?
Mr. Bagbin 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, actually it is true that the Government is far behind in payment of contract sums to contractors. It is true that the Ministry over-awarded contracts, in fact, by over one trillion cedis. The amount as he stated is a bit over four hundred billion cedis; it is about three hundred and eighty something billion cedis. That was budgeted for and they awarded contracts over one trillion cedis.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Minority Leader, your
time is up. The one minute is up. The hon. Member for Jomoro, do you wish to continue with your contribution?
Mr. Lee Ocran 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning is challenging me on - [Interruption.]
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 10:40 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the fact is that if as he said they have awarded contracts to the tune of one trillion cedis and the Government's budget is four hundred and eighty billion cedis -- including supplementary, it will be more than six hundred billion cedis and we have settled that one. Why should he say that the Government has not paid its bills? [Interruption] - Who awarded? How do you say that - [Interruptions.]
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister, you should not be distracted.
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 10:40 a.m.
It is based on the budget. So Mr. Speaker, I just want to let the public know that the Government has settled its bills - [Interruptions] - We have settled them. It is true.
Mr. Ocran 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am sorry the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning is challenging me on this issue. He should go to the Ministry of Transportation, especially the Ghana Highway Authority. The banks are ringing them and asking them whether they owe one contractor or the other and always they say it is true, they owe them. This is because the contractors are not -- [Interruptions] -- All the banks.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for Jomoro, whom are you addressing?
Mr. Ocran 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am sorry.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
You should not be distracted.
Mr. Ocran 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the House. I am sorry. Mr. Speaker, the banks are being owed huge sums of money by these contractors. The Committee on Roads met the contractors. So there is no point giving us a long list of roads to be done when the contractors are refusing to take contracts
because they are not being paid.
Mr. Speaker, the budget is expected to give us a bright future. A bright future means we are well; everything is all right, we are not poor and you can afford to meet your basic needs. But let me give you statistics. The GPRS is to reduce poverty. Meanwhile, in 1998/1999, rural poverty was 83 per cent. In 2005/2006, rural poverty was 86 per cent.
Mr. Robert Sarfo-Mensah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I believe my hon. Colleague has not read the APR document for 2006 on the Growth and Poverty Reduction Strategy II.
Mr. Speaker, with your kind permission, I would want to refer to page 16 of the APR document, 2006 where the GLSS gives us the poverty indications in the various regions and districts. If I read page 17 of the document, we will find that figures from the GLSS 5 show that there had been significant increases in employment across the economic sectors, even to a significant reduction in poverty.
If you look at the figures, Central and Western Regions where he comes from -- In the Western Region poverty has gone down drastically. In the Western Region, according to the table on page 16 of the APRS, extreme poverty, as at 1998/1999, was 13.6 per cent. In 2005, it had reduced to 7.9 per cent.
So I do not know where my hon. Colleague is coming from. Even in his own region, the Western Region, extreme poverty has reduced drastically from 13.6 per cent to 7.9 per cent.
Mr. Ocran 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am not talking about the Western Region. He should listen well. The fact that I come from the Western Region - I am talking about Accra. Mr. Speaker, you were at Koforidua; they organised the meeting at Koforidua and these are the figures that they presented to us. So let me continue.
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Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for Bosomtwe, do you have a point of order?
Mr. Osei-Mensah 10:40 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
What is your point of order?
Mr. Osei-Mensah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member is misleading this House. Mr. Speaker, in the Greater-Accra Region in general, the poverty level has declined. If he is talking about Accra as a city, that is where Mr. Speaker, we have poverty levels going up slightly because of migration of people who have come to the city and living in the urban slums. But if you take the Greater-Accra Region as a whole, the
Mr. Ocran 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he has come to confirm what I said and I thank him for that.
Mr. Speaker, because we are operating the apampemu store type of economy, when oil prices go up on the world market, what do they do? They dump it on us. They have done that to the extent that in yesterday's issue of the Daily Graphic, the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning himself got frightened and he asked whether the Government would now try to subsidise the price or reduce some of the tariffs.

Mr. Speaker, since 2001, they have heaped so much tax on petrol and so much has gone into the cost of fuel that we can no more visit our relatives, we can no more visit our children in schools in Cape Coast. [Uproar.] We can no more visit our constituents.

Now when we want to use ordinary telephone to call our friends so that they will know that we are alive, they will attend a meeting and decide to slap more tax on us so that we can no more talk to our friends. Why? What have we done against them? What have the people done against them that they make life so terrible for them?

Mr. Speaker, they keep telling us that the economy is stable, that the cedi has firmed against the dollar. Mr. Speaker, it is only in Ghana where you can bluff with the currency firming against another currency which has lost 40 per cent of its value in the last five years. All over the world, people are taking money away from the dollar zone and keeping it in gold. If

the dollar had not lost 40 per cent of its value we will be changing it for about ¢13,000 now.

In 2001, the euro was ¢5,200; today, how much are we changing the euro for? The pound was ¢9,000; how much are we changing the pound now? Now if you want a pound to buy, it is ¢22,000.
Mr. Kofi Frimpong 10:50 a.m.
On a point of
order. Mr. Speaker, the ordinary phone user in Ghana is far better off now than when they were in power. Mr. Speaker, those days one minute airtime cost the ordinary user ¢2,500. I bought my SIM card for over one million cedis. Now how much is the SIM card? Mr. Speaker, how much is mobile call per minute? The air- time per minute is less than ¢1,000.
Mr. Speaker, if we ask them to pay these amounts of money as a tax, we are not killing anybody or we are not killing them. The hon. Member, how many cars has he in his house? And when he is paying duty on petrol so that the duty will be used to pay his salary - his salary - he is looking for high salaries all the time -- and to look after the ordinary person, he is complaining.
Mr. Speaker, he is misleading the House; he is misleading the country and he must be brought to book. [Some hon. Members: Sit down! Sit down! ] -- You, short man! Short man!
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for Kwabre East, I am in charge here in this House, you are not. Hon. Members, I will entertain less points of order so that we make progress.
Mr. Ocran 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we have the amma ntem people - When mobile phones came on the scene in Britain, they were few; the Arabs were using mobile phones. Any technology that comes out first, its initial cost is expensive. Today, any schoolchild in Finland has a mobile phone because the technology has so much

Mr. Speaker, the GPRS seeks to reduce mortality rate in children. But this is what I have -- This is a document they supplied to us at Koforidua a few days ago. Mr. Speaker, under-five mortality rate in 2003 increased from 109 per a thousand births to 111 per thousand births but it has stagnated. It has increased; under-five mortality which should decrease, as the GPRS goes by, has rather increased and stagnated. It means something is wrong with their own policies.

Despite the National Health Insurance Scheme, we should look at the budget of the Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs), we have a budget line - Medical Refund. If everybody who is registered under the SSNIT -- and I guess all public servants do -- are to be automatically registered under the National Health Insurance and are to be treated for free, why do we have this budget line in all the budgets of the MDAs? [Interruption.] Medical Refund? The Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning will have to tell us why this is so.

They came to power and today we
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Are you concluding?
Mr. Ocran 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
concluding -- [Interruption.] Mr. Speaker, they are already borrowing against unpumped oil. They have it on their minds that we have some oil so they have already started borrowing hap-hazardly towards unpumped oil, and trying to tell us that it will improve our lives. All around us, we have oil-producing countries whose standard of living is so terrible that it is better for us in Ghana to remain as we are.
Mr. Speaker, the Budget is not going to solve our problems. [Interruption.] Already he has started backtracking.
He himself is complaining. I am
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 10:50 a.m.
Do not stop; gyina ho. (Keep standing.)
Mr. Ocran 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will end my submission by describing the Budget as hwe neawoaye yen Budget; Look at what you have done to us Budget -- [Laughter] -- Mr. Speaker, with these few words I want to -- [Hear! Hear!]
Mrs. Gifty Eugenia Kusi (NPP - Tarkwa Nsuaem) 11 a.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to support the motion for the approval of the financial policy of the Government for the fiscal year ending 31st December, 2008.
Mr. Speaker, before I make my contribution for the day, I want to put
Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Member, are you going to make copies available to the House?
Mrs. Kusi 11 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. It is available.

Several hon. Members -- rose -
Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
Leadership, you remember I indicated I was not going to entertain these points of order. I will give you the opportunity to contribute. The fear is that as soon as I entertain points of order there is all the likelihood that this debate will -- So please, I will give you the opportunity to contribute.
Mrs. Kusi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Budget is for a bright future. “Bright” in the sense that the darkness that we plunged ourselves into is not going to happen again and our lights are going to be bright. Secondly, the future generation is also going to have bright lights because the energy investment undertaken by the NPP Government is second to none. No government has ever done that - [Hear! Hear!]
Mr. Speaker, our people have a proverb which says se wo nnyi me aye a, ensei me
din, which means, if you will not praise me for all that I have done, do not tarnish my hard-won reputation.
Mr. Bagbin 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I just simply want to raise a point of order on the fact that the hon. Member, hon. Gifty is misleading the House and the whole nation. She did not listen to hon. Asaga well yesterday. The issue that hon. Asaga raised was an issue of capture of the oil revenue that has been exported into the 2008 Budget that is before us. Now his calculation, which he said was his rough calculation, was - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
Order! Order!
Mr. Bagbin 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, his rough calculation of $55 million was contested by the hon. K. T. Hammond. Hon. K. T. Hammond gave a figure of $400,000 using export of April at the price of $40 per barrel. And that is what hon. Asaga contested yesterday. We are not talking about 2006. He is reading not the 2008 Budget. What is captured in the 2008 Budget? His issue was that it should have been captured. It is not captured. He wants it to be captured by the Budget.
Now, yesterday the Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, my hon. Friend, Dr. Akoto Osei, said that it was captured under the revenue appendix which he drew our attention to. And hon. Asaga said that was revenue accruing from tax of the oil that has been sold. So that was the issue. She is now misleading the House and the whole nation.
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Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tarkwa/ Nsuaem, unless you want to yield -- because this is a point of order and there cannot be a point of order against a point of order. Unless you want to yield
Mrs. Kusi 11 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I asked permission to come back to the House, given the way the debate was going, to inform the House as to the actual facts that were being contested. In my submission I indicated that it was in the appendix. Mr. Speaker, I want to maintain that; it is in the appendix under non-tax revenue.
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Order! Order!
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:10 a.m.
This is not a global
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Minister, please go on.
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if hon.
Members would write it down - 13th December, 2002 - Quantity of barrels, 33,000. [Interruptions.] It is 23rd April, I will give you the values - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Member, whom are you addressing? You have to address
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:10 a.m.
Sorry, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the hon. Member prefers the summary now so that he can get the details later.
Mr. Speaker, on the basis of the 3 per cent revenue royalties that go to the Ministry, the total receipt as of date is $744,735.88. That is the royalties. The total revenue that has come in terms of the value, not royalties, is $24,711,467.26. Mr. Speaker, that is a far cry from the $55 million that hon. Moses Asaga was trying to make us believe. The facts are all here and if the hon. Minority Leader wants a copy, I would be glad to give him one.
Mrs. Kusi 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in order for

Mr. Speaker, from paragraph 423 to 477
Mr. Adjaho 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, with the greatest respect I refer to Standing Order 89 and with your permission, I quote:
“A Member shall not read his speech, but may read extracts . . .”
Mr. Speaker, since she started her contribution she has been reading. Maybe, you may advise her to be looking more in
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tarkwa/Nsuaem, refer to your notes.
Mrs. Kusi 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I crave your
indulgence to quote from the Budget Statement. Mr. Speaker, all the measures have been put in place.
“126 MW emergency power plants to address the power shortages . . .
The Ghana Armed Forces also made available 10 MW diesel generators . . . A consortium of mining companies also procured and installed 80 MW thermal plants . . . The Wood-Group and Trans- danubia Llimited . . . of U.K. have also installed 50MW. Additionally, a 126 MW Gas Turbine power plant was delivered and installed by VRA.
. . .”
Mr. Speaker, six million energy saving Compact Fluorescent Lamps were imported and they are being distributed to reduce cost to consumers and then reduce power consumption by 200 megawatts. What I want to say here is that in 1998, we had the same problem the then Government said they were going to put in measures. Mr. Speaker, what was done? Mr. Speaker, I have in my hands a Daily Graphic dated April 23, 1998. The then Vice President of the NDC who is now appealing to Ghanaians to vote him as President, is alleged to have said -- and
Mr. Speaker, with your permission I quote 11:10 a.m.
“We have taken very positive steps that would sustain the country's future energy requirements.”
Mr. Speaker, what was done? What
did the Budget that followed - That Budget compared to this Budget, what did it do for any energy investment for which Ghanaians were plunged into this
darkness again? As far as 1995 the then President came to Parliament and said -- and I have the Hansard here -- The State of the Nation Address, column 15 of the Hansard -- and Mr. Speaker, with your permission I quote:
“More hydro power dams would be constructed.”
Were they constructed? [Inter-ruptions.] It was said that they were going to construct a hydro dam from the Oti River, Pra River and Ankobra River; were they done? [Interruptions.]
Mrs. Kusi 11:10 a.m.
Please take your time and
listen to ‘apo'. Mr. Speaker, this is the 1995 State of the Nation Address, column 16 -- and Mr. Speaker, with your per- mission I quote:
“Studies have a l ready been conducted on hydro sites on three Western Region Rivers -- Tano, Ankobra and Pra -- which would be given out as concessions to independent power producers for development to complement the Akosombo operation.”
Mrs. Kusi 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, after
Mr. Bagbin 11:10 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member who just spoke is the Chairperson of the Committee on Energy and Mines. Mr. Speaker, some of the statements she is making border on criminal conduct because she says that the Government of the NDC left behind $20 million debt on a contract that some contractors were to supply diesel engines which they never did and we are paying for the $20 million.
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Order! Order!
Mr. Bagbin 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, either she produces evidence or she withdraws and apologizes.
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tarkwa/Nsuem, which document are you referring to?
Mrs. Kusi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am referring to the Hansard of Thursday, 7th June, 2007, the Official Report of Parliament of Ghana. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister for Energy came to this House and this has been published and no one challenged it, he was here and gave the statement, so this is what I am quoting.
Mr. Speaker, column 654 and with your permission let me read for the benefit of everybody:
“However, in the 1998 crisis, attempt was made to bring in thermal generation through a rental system which saw only two of the suppliers, Aggreko and Cummins bring in some power. Noteworthily, while Aggreko actually supplied the power, Cummins Power Generation was not fully operational before the crisis was over. But having signed a take-or-pay Power Purchase Agreement, the Government then was being called upon to pay.
Mr. Speaker, while the other three companies, namely Global Aero Design Company, Faroe Atlantic Company, and Stone and Webster did not generate any power, they also went ahead to sue the Government for damages.
Mr. Speaker, as I am delivering this Statement to this august House today, I wish to state that after eight years, this Government is still battling in London on how to settle an amounting debt of about twenty million dollars (US$20 million) to Cummins, one of the two companies mentioned earlier under the contract.”
This is in an official document and when it was brought to this House nobody challenged it. So Mr. Speaker, I am quoting from the Hansard of the Parliament of Ghana.
Mr. Bagbin 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member is still continuing in trying to justify a falsehood that she is peddling. This matter she is referring to even went
Mr. Bagbin 11:20 a.m.


to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said that the Government is not liable, if that is what she is referring to - [Interruption] - That is the Ferro Atlantic case. It went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court ruled that the Government of Ghana is not liable.

The statement that she read said the Government attempted to procure -- and that some of the suppliers were able to deliver and some could not. But because they delayed in delivering they breached the contract and they took the matter to court. That is what she just read so she cannot say the former Government left behind US$20 million debt when the things were not supplied, implying that US$20 million had been paid to some people who have not supplied the items.

Mr. Speaker, that is serious falsehood and I am saying that even this matter went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court ruled that the Government was not liable.
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, for the benefit of hon. Members of this House, I can confirm that a company called SIS sued us in London. The hon. Minister of State for Justice and Attorney-General had just come back and negotiated an agreement to avoid going to the international arbitration to pay and the payment has already been made. I can confirm that. And the House can always ask the -- [Interruption] - a two-million dollar payment has been made to SIS.
Mrs. Kusi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, after several decades the NPP Government has provided the -- [Interruption.]
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Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Minority Leader, what do you want to say?
Mr. Bagbin 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, from what the hon. Minister of State, Dr. Akoto Osei has just said, he is talking about a two- million dollar which they had negotiated and she is talking about a twenty-million dollar - [Interruption.]
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, point of observation - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
I have not called you - [Interruption] - I have not called you now. Hon. Minister of State, you do not threaten anybody in my presence.
Mr. Bagbin 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, these are legal issues that are being raised and I am simply drawing their attention to the fact that they have to -- Even if what the hon. Minister of State is talking about, the initial deposit of two million dollars -- Now one has to distinguish between a criminal conduct that she was imputing and civil claim that he is talking about.
That is what she said and the case that the hon. Minister of State is putting forward is that they have gone and negotiated because they do not see it is something that can be contested as a country. So that is different from what she is talking about in the case of criminal conduct of paying money to people who have not delivered and that have been left behind.
It is a different thing altogether and I am saying that she cannot come on the floor of the House to impute criminal conduct on people who are not even here because he is talking about -- [Interruption] -- Mr. Speaker, she has to withdraw that statement and apologize.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tarkwa Nsuaem, were you talking about criminality in your contribution?
Mrs. Kusi 11:20 a.m.
No, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, luckily for me I made notes and I said - [Interruption] - Mr. Speaker, I want to quote from my notes:
“The Government of NPP is still left with a debt of twenty million dollars which the country is still battling with in London.”
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
You were not imputing any criminal - [Interruption.]
Mrs. Kusi 11:20 a.m.
No, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after several decades the NPP Government has to find the counterpart funding for the six hundred million dollars for the Bui Hydro Power Dam for which His Excellency the President performed a colourful sod-cutting ceremony in August this year. Mr. Speaker, documents from the Ministry of Energy states that 350 megawatts out of the 400 megawatts that the Bui Dam is going to produce is going to the North and this would help in the development of the North.
Mr. Speaker, we can see that the future is bright. We can never compare this time to our past because energy which is basis for the development of every nation, has been improved; it is going to be improved; and it is improving day in, day out in Ghana.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Have you concluded?
Mrs. Kusi 11:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. No wonder people who speak on energy from the other side are not prepared to look at the beautiful things that we have done but to find fault where there is no fault.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to say that Ghana is going to be bright; we are going to have lights all over the place. People who pass through Kasoa these days -- I understand someone was saying when she reached Kasoa she was asking whether she was on the Ring Road because the streets of Kasoa are now being - [Interruptions] -- And it is going to happen to Ghana.
I want to urge all Ghanaians to vote for the NPP, come December 2008 and I want to urge this honourable House to support and approve this Budget because it is indeed a Budget of bright future.
Dr. A. Y. Alhassan - (NDC - Mion) 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I guess we have had enough history so we can change the subject a bit.
Mr. Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak on the motion on the floor and I would like to concentrate on the agriculture chapter of the Budget. There is no gainsaying the fact that agriculture is a paramount subject that has contributed to the economy of this country as it engages sixty per cent or more of our population.
Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, a good chunk of the sixty per cent is contributing to the development of this country, but as much as nearly forty per cent of GDP seems to be wallowing in poverty and the section of farmers who are wallowing in this poverty are food crop farmers, mainly because the economic environment seems to increase their cost of production and seems to lower the prices of their output; and this is not good enough for the economy.

Mr. Speaker, it is not surprising therefore that over the last few years the contribution of agriculture to GDP growth in this country has been going down and specific areas and sectors of our agriculture need to be looked at closely for

resources to be allocated to them by this budget of ours.

Mr. Speaker, the problem that confronts us in agriculture is the targeting of resources so that we can get weaker sectors of that area to increase in growth. The specific case of livestock and fisheries comes to mind and it is worrying that up to now the Fisheries Commission, a key institution that is supposed to manage our fisheries resources is still not in place.

Indeed, looking through the budget of 2008 one realizes that the Ministry of Fisheries does not even mention the Fisheries Commission in its activities, which is very unfortunate, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it has been said that the low application of technology to agriculture contributes to our low productivity. Indeed, many reports have said that what we are recognizing as increased growth in agriculture are due to expanded land areas and not due to intensive application of technology.

Unfortunately, the strategy so far does not seem to bring agriculture and technology application into unison and when you look at the Budget of 2008, there does not seem to be any resources allocated to how research, technology and agriculture can be linked so that farmers can benefit from their toil.

Mr. Speaker, there is an ambitious Youth in Agriculture Programme as contained in paragraph 323 of the Budget. In the Youth in Agriculture Programme, 66,400 youths in each district will be deployed to grow tree crops on 2 hectares of land each. Mr. Speaker, I think that is a very ambitious programme for the youth. Even though attraction of the youth to agriculture is a global issue, the global economic environment as we currently have it seems to play down on agriculture and therefore many youths are running

away from that sector.

I think that to be interested in bringing the youth into agriculture is simply too much to think that 9,163,200 youths in this country would get engaged in agriculture in the next three years and they would be occupying 18,326,400 hectares of land of this country between 2008 and 2012. Mr. Speaker, this programme is extremely ambitious and I urge our actors to be cautious about where they are treading.

Incidentally, if you compare these figures to the Ministry of Agriculture's own programme of tree crop development, they have a modest 20,000 hectares to be covered on four crops - oil palm, citrus, mangoes and cashew. That, Mr. Speaker, I believe, has to be looked at closely. I am referring to paragraph 306 of the Budget.

Mr. Speaker, what is also frightening about the Youth in Agriculture Programme and tree crop culture is that it is going to be done on block farms and we all know the land acquisition problem that we have in this country; and 18 million hectares has definitely got to have problems with environmental compliance.

Indeed I wonder whether we have enough water resources to irrigate all these millions of hectares of land. Particularly when you juxtapose this programme with the Ministry of Agriculture's own programme to rehabilitate irrigation infrastructure in this country, it does not come anywhere near the ambitions that are being set for the youths for this country. I believe that if you look at paragraph 315 you may understand the point that I am making.

Mr. Speaker, we have another problem with respect to this Youth in Agriculture Programme. The huge amount of lands that is being occupied clearly tells us that rather than trying to intensify agricultural productivity on currently existing lands
Dr. A. Y. Alhassan - (NDC - Mion) 11:40 a.m.
that are being used, we are trying to expand the lands again. This is currently the difficulty because sixty per cent of our agricultural growth is due to using new lands and if we are going to use more new lands, I think that we are going to have a problem with agriculture in this country.
The implementation of the Youth in Agriculture Programme will have to be looked at very carefully and we have to tread very cautiously. We may end up asking the youth not to show interest in agriculture rather than getting them into it.
Mr. Speaker, agricultural growth in this country has been masterminded by the small-scale farmer. Unfortunately, the economic environment does not seem to help the small-scale farmer to work mainly because of low prices for their crops, particularly those who are engaged in food crops. Mr. Speaker, I would like to quote from the International Food Policy Research Institution that says - and with your permission, I quote:
“Higher rates of rural poverty are likely to be exacerbated by factors linked to fewer opportunities for intensifying and commercializing agriculture such as poorer access to input and output markets as well as credit and advisery services.”
It looks like so far, agricultural policies in the last couple of years have been taking the power and resources out of the rural farmers into the hands of some other people. Mr. Speaker, it is time that as a country our hearts and minds focused on targeting budget resources to food crop farmers so that they can reap from their sweat.
The Budget, shall I say, has a lot of initiatives that have to be contained in the incoming year. But nothing has been said about old initiatives that have not functioned. Mr. Speaker, I am talking
about the President's Special Initiatives on Cotton that was supposed to be on the drawing board. Sorghum was also suggested to come on stream; guinea fowl was also suggested and I believe that there was a question asked by the hon. Minority Leader on that. Even initiatives on sheanuts as an important tree crop have not been covered by the Budget.
Focusing on cotton as an industrial crop, Mr. Speaker, the cotton industry has, for want of words, collapsed in essence and this means that hundreds of thousands of farm families are really in poverty because of the insensitivity of our national Budget to the cotton industry.
Mr. Speaker, the Ghana Cotton Company which is the largest company that is playing a role in cotton production in this country set itself a target of a modest 25,000 hectares of land cover of cotton crop in 2007. Mr. Speaker, they ended up doing only 14,000 hectares of cotton. The excuse is that draught and floods, if you like, intervene in the problems.
But I do believe that what the cotton industry needs is not rainfall. It needs rainfall but what it needs more is financial resources that can back its activities so that farmers can reap some benefits from their sweat. The importance of the cotton industry for the country cannot be overstated. Unfortunately, cotton does not get a mention at all in the 2008 Budget that we are discussing. This is most unfortunate, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, if the cotton industry is not revamped it would be a missed opportunity indeed for many farmers in this country. It is important that Vegetable Oil Extraction Company (BOSBEL) located in Tamale -- In fact VORBEL and the Cotton Company are next-door neigh-bours; and BOSBEL is prepared to buy cotton seed at $75 per tonne from the Ghana Cotton Company. If the Ghana
Cotton Company exports the same seeds they would be earning $65 per tonne.
Unfortunately, both the Ghana Cotton Company and BOSBEL do not have the financial resources to transact this business. This is most unfortunate. I urge Government, particularly the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to try the best that they can to look at the agricultural industry closely so that in 2008, we may see some revamping of the cotton industry.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at sorghum as crop - this is a food security crop for many rural farmers in Northern Ghana and it also has great potential as an industrial crop, particularly in the brewing industries. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, the promised PSI on sorghum never came on and currently as we stand, sorghum does not seem to be a priority even in the medium term programme of the Ministry of Food and Agriculture which is also another unfortunate situation to find in the 2008 Budget.
Mr. Speaker, there is a note from the International Food Policy Research Institute again - and with your permission, I quote:
“Whilst accelerated growth will allow Ghana to meet its middle income country goal, the poverty rate in the north will still remain at 35 per cent by the year 2015, except that by then more than 66 per cent of the country's poor will live in the northern regions compared to 45 per cent today.”
That is a jump of the poverty rate of about 20 per cent in the next couple of years, if we continue to pursue our agricultural policy the way it is currently being pursued.

Mr. Speaker, rice. The Government's most vociferous policy in 2001 was try to reduce rice imports by 30 per cent by now. Unfortunately I think it has grown by nearly 300 per cent -- rice imports. Mr. Speaker, the Quality Grains project at Aveyime remains unproductive mainly because of administrative bottlenecks or whatever.

Mr. Speaker, I am making all these comments on the new initiative because there is a fundamental question to ask in the 2008 Budget, as to whether it would be credible if policy initiatives are espoused only to be relegated to the back burner without any explanation. It is extremely important that we take a look at it.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a small comment on science and technology and our national development. It looks as if over the years Ghanaian scientists have been relegated to the background and I can promise this country that the only way we can indigenize our economy is to let our local cadre of scientists into the limelight. Scientists in our universities, research institutions and other agencies need encouragement, facilities and resources so that they can do their work and help our economy to be sustained.

Mr. Speaker, getting the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and the Ghana Atomic Energy Commission (GAEC) to commercialise their activities is productive and very good. However, it is also important that we consider the flight of scientists out of the CSIR and our other public research institutions as a national crisis. At the last count, it was 40 scientists per annum.

Mr. Speaker, my last comment would be on agriculture financing and then
Minister for Manpower, Youth and Employment (Nana Akomea) 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion on the floor. Mr. Speaker, in the last seven years, this country has made some very significant progress; and that progress
Minister for Manpower, Youth and Employment (Nana Akomea) 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, macro stability in this
country now is taken for granted. I remember the period before 2000, one of the favourite pasttimes of trotro and taxi passengers and indeed drivers in general was to look at the notice boards of the forex bureaus, because it was fasci-nating to observe how the cedi was changing by the hour.
Today, nobody looks at the notice boards any more. In fact, according to my friend, the notice boards are not even there any more [Interruptions.] So this is a very tangible evidence of the kinds of progress that we have made in the last couple of years.
Mr. Speaker, we are getting kudos; we are getting praises; we are getting acknowledgement from all over the world for the efforts that we have made. And we are not only getting praises, Mr. Speaker, there are also tangible benefits that are coming our way as a result of the good work that we have done.
Talk about the (B+) credit rating, talk about best reforming country in Africa, talk about the multilateral debt relief, talk about the quantum jump in remittances from Ghanaians abroad, talk about the special invitations we get to all the G8 summits to present our case and to present the case of Africa, talk about the Millennium Challenge Account, talk about the Euro Bond issue and the oversubscription -- All of these are tangible benefits that we are getting as a result of the hard work that we have done and the results that we are getting in the last couple of years.
Mr. Speaker, as if all these were not enough, Allah himself has bestowed favour on us and now after years of toil, we have discovered oil in commercial and
significant quantities. [Hear! Hear!] So it looks like the very heavens themselves are smiling on us and we should be grateful, we should pat ourselves on the shoulders and together move forward to achieve more.
But Mr. Speaker, of course, there are others who would say that all these benefits and all this progress do not reflect in our pockets. We hear people say that all the time.
Mr. Speaker, of course, there are difficulties; and we admit there are still difficulties. We are a poor country so we would face difficulties. We know that in proportional terms, population growth is still way ahead of the economic growth. We know that we still have to bring inflation down to single digit. We know that there are still deficits in the provision of education, in the provision of infrastructure, in housing, in water and electricity.

We know that the minimum wage, as we have it now, is not exactly a living wage but Mr. Speaker, whilst we acknowledge these difficulties, when we do an objective assessment, all of us will agree that in relative terms, compared to the period before 2001, our domestic and social economic conditions have seen dramatic and significant progress. The gains in the macro economy and the general good governance reflects in our pockets in many ways that they must acknowledge.

Mr. Speaker, if you look at direct government spending on poverty, it is 26 per cent of total expenditure. Twenty-six per cent of total expenditure go into direct poverty spending spread over education, health, agriculture, water, housing, feeder roads, energy, rural housing and social welfare. Twenty-six per cent of total

government spending going directly into poverty alleviation is a very good result; it is a very good proportion and we should acknowledge that.

Mr. Speaker, if you look at the Ghana Living Standards Survey (GLSS) published by the Ghana Statistical Service that measures our progress in welfare and poverty reduction over a ten-year period from 1995 - 2005, you would find that on the balance, they have done well.

If you look at the result, Mr. Speaker, and you look at the proportion of the Ghanaian population in poverty, the survey says that the proportion of Ghanaians in poverty was 40 per cent in the year 1998 to 1999. Just six years later, in 2005, the proportion of Ghanaians living in poverty has fallen from 40 per cent to 29 per cent in six years.

Mr. Speaker, if you take the rural poor, in 1998-99, the proportion of rural people living in poverty was 50 per cent. As we speak, in 2005-2006, the proportion of rural people living in poverty has reduced from 50 per cent to 39 per cent. Even the proportion of Ghanaians in extreme poverty was 27 per cent in 1998 - 99. Today, seven years later, the proportion of Ghanaians living in extreme poverty has reduced from 27 per cent to 18 per cent.

Mr. Speaker, we have become the African country that is on course in achieving the Millennium Development Goal of halving extreme poverty by 2015. We have done it in 2005 -- ten clear years before the target date.

Mr. Speaker, if you look at gross enrolment ratio at the primary basic school, in the year 2000, gross enrolment ratio was 75 per cent. As we speak, gross enrolment ratio in primary school is 94 per cent over a five-year period. Pupil-teacher
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Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Minority Leader, I have not given you any opportunity to speak. [Laughter.] But hon. Minister, please do not provoke him.
Nana Akomea noon
Mr. Speaker, even malaria -- the numbers of children under five who are dying from malaria has improved from 3.7 per cent to 2.1 per cent in the last three years. So we are making major improvement in delivering
healthcare to children under five.
Mr. Speaker, if you take water, the access to safe water by the urban population has not improved. Indeed, it has worsened from 70 per cent to 60 per cent in the last five years.
But I am happy to note that the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing through the East-West connection which is going to make more water available to Accra -- A vast stretch of the people in Accra are going to have access to safe water and the Ministry deserves commendation for this particular initiative. But even though urban water has not improved in the last three, four years, access of rural people to water has improved dramatically.
Mr. Speaker, in the year 2000, only 41 per cent of our rural people had access to safe water. Today, 53 per cent of rural people have access to safe water and this particular achievement is reflected in the guinea-worm figures.
Mr. Speaker, in 1989, we reported guinea-worm cases of 180,000. Today, the incidence of guinea-worm is just about 3,200. Yes, in the year 1989, we had a hundred and eighty thousand cases of guinea-worm; today it is about 3,000; that is a vast improvement.
Mr. Speaker, even the minimum wage -- One of my hon. Colleagues was talking about the minimum wage. Mr. Speaker, the minimum wage is one tangible evidence of the progress that we are making as a country. From a level of about ¢3,000 in 2000, the minimum wage today is ¢19,000. From about ¢3,000 in the year 2000 now minimum wage is ¢19,000. That is an increase of nearly 600 per cent in the minimum wage over five years.
Mr. Speaker, the record of this Government, the Government of President Kufuor in poverty reduction, in social spending, the scale of this record, I do not think has been equaled by any government
since 1966. No government in this country has a social record that will equal the record of President Kufuor's Government in the last six or seven years.
Let us look at the social programme, Mr. Speaker. Let us talk about the National Health Insurance which is making healthcare available and affordable to thousands of people who otherwise would not have access to healthcare. Coverage now is nearly 50 per cent which is a record.
Mr. Speaker, talking about the Capitation Grant which effectively has abolished fees of any sort at the basic level in this country -- We can talk about the school-feeding programme which is delivering one-hot meal to nearly 400,000 school children in this country. You can talk about the mass transport, Mr. Speaker; we can talk about the mass housing which is going to provide a 100,000 houses across this country over five years. These are major social programmes that would equal any other social programme anywhere in the world; and we have achieved this in just six years.

Mr. Speaker, in my own Ministry, there is the famous National Youth Employment Programme which in one year has provided jobs for a 108,000 young people all over the country. We know that one of the major problems we have faced in this country has been youth unemployment. Whilst we are making efforts to expand the economy, we have reached the levels of investment that will provide jobs that will meet the demand on the labour market.

This situation calls for strategic intelligent interventions and in the last one year, the Government of President

Kufuor has come up with the National Youth Employment Programme. And in just one year, we have provided a hundred and eight thousand jobs for young people across the country to meet this sticky problem of unemployment that all of us acknowledge.

The funding for the programme which is provided for by Cabinet decision and approved in this House has been erratic. The funding has not proven to be streamlined and it has led to severe delays in the payment of allowances to the people involved in the programme. We are having very serious discussions with even Parliament to see a more satisfactory and stable process of cash flow to support the programme.

In this current Budget, we are all aware one of the proposals that has been brought by the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, that is the cell-phone airtax is one of the support fundings for National Youth Employment Programme. If this tax is administered properly, we will provide jobs for another hundred thousand people in the coming year and that will benefit all of us.

I know that the incidence of the tax appears to be falling directly on consumers and so there is some anxiety about people being taxed while they talk. Indeed, no less a person than the Minority Leader, hon. Alban Bagbin himself said that this one is a talk tax and that people are going to be taxed for talking, and that it is going to limit freedom of expression. The Minority Leader should not be talking like that. Talk is free and there is no limit to freedom of speech.

But when you talk through a medium, when you talk through a medium like this, that medium must be paid for. It does not mean that your freedom of speech is being limited. When you talk through a land phone, it must be paid. If you talk
Mr. Bagbin noon
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I am on a point of order because he is misinforming the House and the people of Ghana.
Mr. Speaker, the phone is not given free; it is purchased. The chip that you use is not given free, it is purchased. The units that you use are not given free; they are purchased and then you pay tax on the units. So it is not that you are talking through an instrument and I am insisting that it should be free. It is not. But now because of the tax you have to limit yourself when you are talking to me now on your phone, and that is limiting talk, that is a talk tax.
Mr. Speaker noon
Minister, I hope you are concluding.
Nana Akomea noon
Mr. Speaker, you buy your chip, that does not limit your talk; that does not limit your freedom of speech. You buy your phone; that does not limit your freedom of speech but when you pay a little tax that limits your freedom of speech. I do not understand it.
Mr. Speaker, the tax that has been proposed is 1p per minute which translates to a hundred cedis (Ghana old cedis). There is a lot of confusion about this and I would like to take this opportunity to urge the Bank of Ghana to do more education on the conversions. Because even on the radio stations, you hear people saying it is 1p per minute and it is equivalent to one thousand cedis. It is not equivalent to one thousand cedis; it is equivalent to a hundred cedis.
So I admit that once it is going to fall directly on consumers there will be some anxiety. But let us also look at the use of the monies. The monies that are going to accrue are going to be used for socially important programmes like the National Youth Employment Policy which will benefit all of us. Because all of us face the problem of unemployment in our constituencies and in our districts. Everyday, we are accosted by our constituents who by some situations need to have a job.
So the use of the tax is what we should also be considering while we are looking at the quantum of the tax. But I am sure that at the end of the discussions, this House will fashion out a method that would allow these monies to be raised without burdening the consumer too much. And I have every hope that this House will come out with something that will be acceptable to all of us while fulfilling a social need.
In conclusion, I would like to say that, yes, we still have difficulties. We are a poor country but we should also admit that we have made some tremendous progress. We should always try and strike a balance in our evaluation.
When we talk about a few dozen pregnant women who have given birth and cannot pay their hospital bills, while we are talking about that, let us also talk about the thousands of people who have access to healthcare because of National Health Insurance.
While we are talking about people sleeping rough on the streets because they have migrated from their hometowns and their villages to Accra and Kumasi and do not have housing immediately, let us also talk about the hundred thousand units of housing that the Government is in the process of providing so that we have a balanced discussion.
While we talk about the high cost of living, let us also talk about the massive improvement in the minimum wage from ¢3,000 in 2000 to ¢19,000 in 2006. I suspect that next year, it is going to go up a little bit more. In dollar terms, it has increased and in cedi terms, it has increased.
While we talk about the high cost of living, let us also talk about the employment levels. Last year, in 2006, a total of two hundred thousand jobs were provided in this economy. While we talk about the high cost of living, let us also talk about the severity of the oil crisis and the impact of it on this economy.
In the year 2000, we imported $536 million of oil. At that time, the price of oil was about $30 a barrel. Now, we import ¢1.6 trillion of oil. Oil imports alone cost this economy $1.6 billion. So look at the quantum. At that time, oil was selling at $67 and now oil is selling at $95 and I am sure when the figures come up of our oil imports this year, all of us will be amazed. So it is true that the cost of living may be high but let us look at some of these factors so that we can have a balanced view.
Mr. Speaker, I conclude that when we strike the balance objectively, as I have proposed, the balance will be positive, that we have done well in the last six years and this Budget will turn that positivity into a brighter future for all. I support the motion.
Mr. Anthony Tettey-Enyo (NDC - Ada) noon
Mr. Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the motion on floor that this honourable House approves the financial policy of the Government for the fiscal year ending 31st December, 2008.
Mr. Anthony Tettey-Enyo (NDC - Ada) 12:20 p.m.


Seen in that light, we can only pray that things go well with Ghana in the coming years, particularly, the ensuing year when the major concern of Government will be how to retain power through the forthcoming presidential and parliamentary elections.

Mr. Speaker, in certain areas of the country, especially rural Ghana, certain targets of development which we normally find in our Budget Statements appear not to concern the developments in these areas. To the extent that people in such communities often consider themselves as being in the backyard of the development of this country.

In fact, a lot of issues have been raised already on the floor to this effect; and I would not like to bore hon. Members on a number of such issues. But I would only pick three of these areas where it appears not much is being done in the rural communities to bolster my point.

The first is rural electrification. The Government itself recognises rural electrification and the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning has stated it in the Budget Statement, paragraph 478. Mr. Speaker, with your permission, I quote:

“To achieve the targets of Growth and Poverty Reduction Strategy of

becoming a middle income country by 2015, the Ministry of Energy will commence the implementation of the next stage of the National Electrification Scheme (NES) with the objective of accelerating the extension of electricity to the rural areas.”

The track record of the Ministry of Energy in some of these rural areas does not support what Government intention is according to the above paragraph. And it is true that rural poverty is not being reduced in most of these rural areas including my own constituency.

But if you want people to be able to create wealth in order to reduce poverty, if you want to improve education in our rural areas, particularly the results of the BECE, which is a scare to many of us, our schools, our rural people should be able to get the energy in whatever form the Government can provide in order to promote their cottage industries, transform their raw materials into economic gain and also make use of the presidential initiative in distance learning.

If this opportunity is not provided, we cannot believe that the promise of a brighter future is a promise that is made for all the people of this country, particularly to our rural folk who are not being treated well in these development areas. We are saying this in order to strenghten the hands of the Government to be able to fulfil its pledge as contained in the Budget Statement in paragraph 481, which we have just put on the floor for debate; and I refer to paragraph 481, where, Mr. Speaker, with your permission I quote:

“A total of 2,000 new communities will be connected to the national electricity grid between 2008 and 2015. An annual target of 250

communities will be connected to the national grid over the period. For 2008, all outstanding works in 300 communities currently under the SHEP-3 Phase-3 and SHEP-4 Phase-1 projects will be completed in addition to the annual target of 250 communities. This will bring the number of communities to be connected in 2008 to 550.”

Part of this promise, especially the outstanding SHEP-3 - electricity con- nection is of paramount interest because some rural communities were ready for electrification under the SHEP-3 with the high tension poles in readiness, low tension poles in readiness and procurement of the resources by the communities themselves or by the Members of Parliament using their share of the Common Fund, some of these communities were bypassed or just neglected in the face of SHEP-4, Phase 1.

It is ridiculous to see that in some of the communities, twin villages were discriminated against. One part of the village was ready in terms of SHEP-3, but it was not considered. And the other part of the village that was under the Phase 1 of SHEP-3 has been planned for execution.

This kind of development is not the type of development that will inspire hope in the community people and also help them to reduce poverty in their midst. We only hope that now that the Government is going to exceed the annual connection of 250, the backlog of communities not connected under SHEP-3, Government will speedily source money to connect 550 communities within the fiscal year we are about to enter.

Mr. Speaker, another issue which I would like to raise in order not to raise what my hon. Colleagues have already said is the absorption or the main- streaming of pre-schools into the basic education system. When you look through

the Budget, you will see reference to pre- school and the new policy which to me is not a new policy because there was the idea of mainstreaming pre-schools before 2001. It was a process that was undertaken for more than twenty years trying to run the pre-school or the kindergarten together with the primary school and it has become formal in the budgets we have since 2001.

Therefore we expected that in the preparation of these budgets we would see the clarity of that policy, looking at the various layers of pre-school, childcare and developing system; so that we can direct our resources to the development of the kindergarten section which is the only segment that we have added to the basic school system. The absence of these clarifications is creating problems already at the district level where communities are making demand from the District Assemblies and also from the Members of Parliament in the provision of nurseries.

Some hon. Members - rose --
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.
As I indicated, I will
only entertain points of order from the Leadership.
Mr. Tettey-Enyo 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
Dr. A. A. Osei 12:20 p.m.
On a point of order.
Mr. Speaker, my senior Colleague was on a very good track and I just wanted to give some point of information to reassure him. When he was talking about energy, I think
Mr. Tettey-Enyo 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank
you very much and I thank the Minister of State through you, hoping that the money he has just got will be spent on all the communities concerned including those in my constituency awaiting electrification since 2001 when everything had been put in readiness.
Mr. Speaker, the issue of clarification of
what the policy is about, the mainstreaming of pre-schools is very important for budget purposes. As I have said, Members of Parliament and District Assemblies are being harassed in the construction of crèches and day-nurseries because the assumption is that mainstreaming pre- schools means mainstreaming of all the pre-school systems like the crèches and nurseries which people expect to be built out of public resources.
Mr. Speaker, my third point is about
the Capitation Grant. It is a welcome issue that Government is now providing ¢30,000 (old Ghana cedis) per year in place of the numerous levies which parents were called upon to pay. But it is also clear that ¢30,000 old Ghana cedis caters for issues not related to the performance improve-ment programmes and plans of the schools and therefore the administration of ¢30,000 per year is becoming a major difficulty for developing teaching and learning in our primary
schools. There is need for the issue to be looked at again, possibly adding certain services from the public chest for the improvement of teaching and learning if we cannot increase the quantum of money that is going for the purpose of improving teaching and learning.
Therefore we expect that the details of the Budget will either look at increasing the quantum or proposing other areas of services that can be run to help the schools improve teaching and learning from public sources.
Mr. Speaker, finally, I wish to refer
to the protection of sea coasts -- coastal protection programme in the Budget. Reference has been made in a few paragraphs as to Government's intention to protect the sea coasts at various places in the country. In doing so the Ada sea erosion has been added just as the problems in other areas of the country.
This to me does not do justice to the problem which we have at Ada where a long coastal stretch which could be protected and improved for economic purposes is being raised because of the violent sea erosion and the promise that is being made in the Budget is for just a protection of 14 kilometres as we will find in paragraph 588 of the Budget Statement, after so many years of degradation of the coastline and dislocation of many people along the coastline.
We have in paragraph 588 this statement and Mr. Speaker, with your permission I would like to read:
“Mr. Speaker, an assessment has been completed since February 2007 on approximately 14 kilometres shoreline stretching from Azizanya to Otrokpe. About 10 kilometres of the shoreline will be protected by
a system of groynes/sand nouris- hment and 4 kilometres with a revetment structure including a groyne at the estuary of the Volta River to ensure a permanent opening to allow continuous inflow of sea water.”
This promise has been made after the Ministers, the Chairpersons and members of the Select Committee on Works and Housing had visited Ada and had ascertained the extent of the erosion. I think the hon. Finance Minister himself shares with me the importance of saving the coastline by even harnessing the sea waves to generate electricity so that we feel the provision made here is quite inadequate. If this would be done, or what has been proposed would even be achieved, it would be far away from the solution of the problem.
In fact, the timeframe for the project that has been put into the Statement even span the preparation of the design and other things to a period between the end of 2008 and the early part of 2009 so that the people along the coastline of Ada are still left to the ravages of the sea which is a very sad situation to contend with if we are dealing with a budget that proposes brighter future for the people of Ghana including the people at Ada.
I will therefore urge the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning to tenaciously keep to the provisions that have been made and even ask the hon. Minister responsible for Water Resources, Works and Housing to come out with a design that will permanently solve the problem of the sea erosion along the 34.5 km of Ada coastline.
Mr. Speaker, w i th these f ew observations, I wish to contribute to the motion on the floor, namely that this honourable House approves the Financial Policy of Government for the fiscal year
ending 31st December 2008.

Minister for Women and Children's

Affairs (Hajia Alima Mahama): Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion on the floor of the House which was ably moved by the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning. Mr. Speaker, before I get to my own substantive issues that I want to talk on -- A statement was categorically made that we have not reduced rural poverty and I thought I should correct that but I did not catch your eye.

Mr. Speaker, rural poverty actually

reduced by 10.4 per cent looking at the GLSS figures from 1999 to date. It reduced even more than urban poverty. This is because urban poverty reduced by 8.6 per cent. So the reduction in urban poverty as against the national total was higher than that of the national total.

I have before me the document, Pattern and Trends of Poverty in Ghana 1991 - 2006. So Mr. Speaker, these are figures from the Ghana Statistical Service that I am using. Unless he has other figures, the statement that rural poverty is not reducing is incorrect.

Indeed, Mr. Speaker, if you look at absolute figures for poverty reduction, in 1991/92 poverty of poor communities within the poverty brackets was 7.9 per cent. In 1999 after the survey, it was 7.2 per cent; and the last survey in 2005/2006 the actual or absolute figure of people living in poverty has reduced to 6.1 per cent.

If we put that against the fact that population has been increasing and yet the figures of those in poverty brackets have reduced from 7.2 per cent to 6.1 per
Mr. J. A. Tia 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want
to yield my time to the hon. Member for Chiana/Paga.
Mr. Pele Abuga 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we
were just a bit reluctant to point out the fact that the hon. Member is misleading everybody. She is talking of poverty having been reduced in some areas of this country. But she will remember that the same statistics indicate that extreme poverty in the Upper West Region has increased tremendously. And in the Upper East Region, I can assure her that in my constituency there is much more poverty than before, particularly in the light of the recent floods.
So I am surprised that the hon. Member thinks that things are so beautiful in her place; maybe, it is only in her place.
Mr. Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon. Member, this is
the last time I am going to entertain such requests through Leadership.
Mr. Hackman Owusu-Agyemang 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, it looks as if there is some zuuing and zahing - the zu zah thing. The leader takes it and back-passes it. So the zu and zah -- Mr. Speaker, I think that we do not want to do things by the back door. I do not think there should be interventions by the back door contrary to your ruling. This is zu and zah.
Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Hon. Member for Juaben North, this is not a point of order at all.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, I
am glad he has not denied the fact that infant and child mortality has reduced
by 50 per cent points in the Upper East Region. And this was due to the fact that the Government decided to tackle the region that had the highest infant and child mortality figures. And we piloted the programme called the Accelerated Child Health Survival Project.

Now it has been repackaged into the High Impact Rapid Delivery Programme in the Central Region, Northern Region, Upper West Region and Upper East Region. We are continuing because we do not want to move back. So this programme has proved very successful. Mr. Speaker, we are on course, and we have developed the appropriate targeting mechanism to deal with the issue of infant and child mortality.

Mr. Speaker, when we look at areas that have contributed to infant mortality, last year insecticide-treated bed nets -- We all know that malaria is the main killer. Although we talk about HIV/AIDS, malaria is. Insecticide bed nets were distributed free to children under two years, and that has led to the reduction in deaths due to malaria.

This was not just limited to the children. This year, starting from today -- and I hope some hon. Members of Parliament would join -- there is going to be now maternal and child integrated health campaign for the next three days. And it will only ensure that we go to scale and further on reduce infant mortality, child mortality and maternal mortality.

In the area of HIV/AIDS, the early childhood care development is part of the programme. This again shows the integrated nature of putting up packages to respond to early childhood care.

Orphans and vulnerable children are specifically targeted under the Social Protection Programme of the Ministry of Manpower, Youth and Employment. They are targeting orphans, vulnerable children and actually transferring cash resources to ensure that they are fed and that they do go to school.

It is in the Budget this year that this programme would be extended, moved from the pilot of the 21 districts that they are working in and on to cover the rest of the country. I am very happy about that because again it shows a bright future for our children.

Again, to save the health of our children we have it in the Budget that there are 407 sites in the country responding to HIV/AIDS issues, especially Voluntary Counselling and Testing (VCT). But also we are looking at the issue of prevention of mother to child and it has now become part of our antenatal delivery programme, that pregnant women are counselled and tested because there is a package that can prevent them from transmitting -- If one is found to be positive -- HIV/AIDS to the unborn child.

This is a package that Ghana Government has taken on and it is pushing, and I am glad again to see in the Budget that these sites, although they are in all the 138 districts, are going to be increased and gradually we will ensure that a child is not born with HIV/AIDS infection.

Mr. Speaker, looking at various areas, even in the area of child abuse, the Domestic Violence and Victim Support Unit (DVVSU) is very active in ensuring the protection of our children early, and I am sure we have all been reading about them in the newspapers. Again, this year, they are budgeted for and they will continue to work to support this programme.

Mr. Speaker, under a l l these

programmes, we see in the Budget, promotion of gender mainstreaming. And I am glad that all the sector Ministries have taken the challenge to mainstream gender in their activities. We see it under Ministry of Manpower, Youth and Employment; we see that under Ministry of Lands, Forestry and Mines. If you look at the complete budget programme, we see that under the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development. Community development has a big package for women empowerment.

We see that under Ministry of Education, Science and Sports. The Ministry of Health is focusing on ensuring healthy lifestyle but we are also ensuring that our women are empowered economically and everywhere. Looking at the economic sector, we see that under Ministry of Trade, Industry, Private Sector Development and President's Special Initiative (PSI). If we look at Fisheries, under the sectoral programmes under the Ministry of Fisheries, there is a big chunk of support for women in fish processing.

Mr. Speaker, so the future again here for our women is quite bright. Gone were the days when gender mainstreaming was not a policy, a guiding principle in the development of our policies as well as the implementation of our sectoral policies in this regard.

The good news is that Cabinet has directed that from next year onwards we have to increasingly develop a gender- responsive Budget and that is why the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs -- In the current Budget Statement we have taken the challenge that we are going to work with three Ministries to ensure

that come next year, their budgets can be said to be gender-responsive. So that again shows that we are moving in terms of responding to issues of gender.

Yes, there are challenges but the policies and the guiding principles are in place. And they are not just policies locked up, we have actually set activities, have them implemented and we will continue to implement to ensure that women are empowered in this country. The Ministry of Health, we all know, sees to free antenatal care, free delivery, National Health Insurance covering children under 18 years and ensuring that parents register.

Mr. Speaker, the Budget Statement announced for the first time in the history of this country that women above 40 years and men as well -- this time this is a typical case of being gender sensitive, because it is not only women -- Women and men will be screened for breast cancer and prostate cancer. This is commendable. [Hear! Hear!] Because we know that it can be prevented. Deaths from breast cancer can be prevented; so can deaths from prostate cancer.

So if we have taken the bold initiative to say that women above 40 years would have breast cancer screening and that this will be upscaled throughout country, throughout the districts we should commend it, take the challenge and then sit up to see - All Members of Parliament I challenge you to sit up to ensure that you organise, and that in our communities our women's breasts are screened for breast cancer and the men screened for prostate cancer as well.

Mr. Speaker, coming from northern Ghana I am excited and happy that for the first time or for that matter since the coming into being of the 1992 Constitution, this is the first time that there is the mention of the gap and inequality between northern Ghana and southern Ghana. Yes, we all
Mr. Tia 12:40 p.m.
None

Hajia Mahama: It is just like the

multi-donor budgetary fund, that is, basket funding and donors input into it. They have been called upon to input.
Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Chief Whip, do you
have a point of order?
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
On a point of order.
Mr. Speaker, I think that my niece is misleading the House. Mr. Speaker, to state and in doing so categorically that no effort and attempt have ever been made to address the poverty situation in the North or bridging the gap between the North and South of Ghana is to the best of my knowledge -- and excuse my word -- the worst untruth that I have learnt in this decade.
Mr. Speaker, it is on record that the establishment of the University of Development Studies in the northern sector was to address the illiteracy in northern Ghana, and we all know how much education contributes to the development of any society.

Mr. Speaker, it is also on record that

when some people thought that northern Ghana ought to remain in darkness for a very long time, it was the PNDC Government that extended electricity to northern Ghana to improve their living conditions. Mr. Speaker, she should not mislead the House.

Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, I do not
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Order! Order!
Hajia Mahama: So, he had better been
a good uncle and not say things that his niece has not said. [Hear! Hear!] Mr. Speaker, I did not say that no previous government has done anything for northern Ghana. I said no previous government has put it boldly in any Budget Statement.
Mr. Speaker, what I am saying is that it is not just about giving the crumbs - We have put it boldly and they can take us on later about that but for now it is in the policy statement - [Hear! Hear!] - And I am proud to be a Ghanaian, that the NPP Government is sending a clear message that inequality is not going to be part and parcel - [Interruption].
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not intend
this to be a bout between uncle and niece but then she used the word boldly, and I am debunking that one because the PNDC, NDC boldly took the decision and it was written out in the laws of this country to establish the University of Development Studies.
The ASIP programme that helped to construct dams and other agricultural facilities in the North was boldly written down; it is a programme that is well known and documented and it is with the National Development Planning Commission. So she cannot just run away with it. Bold attempts have been made to the extent that the former President, His Excellency Flt. Lt. J. J. Rawlings donated $50,000 of award for poverty reduction to the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip,

the point is, was it stated in the Budget? This is the point she raised.
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, at the time
that the University for Development Studies was established there was no parliamentary democracy but there were documents.

Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, all I am

saying is that in 1992 -- I was even kind enough. I said since the Constitution came into being and when we started coming to Parliament with budgets - and I am saying since 1992 2007, on page 420 it is boldly acknowledged in the policy statement that there is a gap between northern and southern Ghana.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Minister, are you
concluding?
Hajia Mahama: All the villages in
Talensi/Nabdam Constituency, Nalerigu/ Gambaga Constituency will get light - 400 megawatts from the Bui Dam. Talking about the University for Development Studies (UDS), go now and see UDS, you will marvel at the structures that have been put in place. Previous Governments have done their part; we have come and we have up-scaled it.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon. Member, are you
concluding?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, my
conclusion.
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
-- rose --
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip,
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I crave your
indulgence for the records to be set straight.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Chief Whip, I have not
called you. Sit down till I call you.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, I am
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Are you concluding?
Hajia Mahama: There are areas that
I have talked about inequality. The fact is that we have piloted programmes and we are now going to scale specific targeting mechanisms to ensure that poverty among food crop producers will reduce, poverty in deprived regions will be reduced, poverty in poor deprived districts will be reduced.
Mr. Speaker, with these comments I support the Budget Policy Statement and I invite all hon. Members to look ahead for a bright future, a better future and support it resoundly.
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, just to set the
records straight.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Order! Order!
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, my hon.
Colleague referred to infrastructure that is springing up in UDS and other places. I want to put on record that those infrastructure are coming about because of the GETFund that was established by the NDC regime - Boldly, the GETFund established those things.
Mr. Speaker, my second point is that when my niece referred to the Bui Dam and then she was happy that the Bui Dam is going to serve the North, I am sad because what is happening is that we are being given handouts. Our own allocation is being relegated into the dustbin. The Kpalugu Hydro Electric Power Project was the third scheme since the First Republic for hydro electric power generation in this country. That has been shelved and they are being given a handout and they are happy with that?
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip, I
give you opportunity to contribute now.
Go on, contribute. I have called you, you are the next. Contribute now.
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we have often
said that we are always ready to debate hon. Members on the other side any time, anywhere.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
You are not ready?
Mr. Tia 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will debate
them tomorrow.
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.
Very well, I will call
you tomorrow.

Mr. J. K. Avedzi (NDC -- Ketu

North): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to speak to the motion on the floor, requesting approval of the Budget Statement and the Economic Policy of the Government of Ghana for the 2008 Financial Year which was presented to this House by the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning on the 15th of this month. I have taken the pains to go through the document and compared it with the other ones previously presented to the House and I wish to come out with the following observations.

Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister in his

presentation said that the Budget is a Budget of bright future. If the Budget indeed should be a Budget of bright future, I want to limit my observations to only a few areas and the first of them is the agricultural sector. We all know that the agricultural sector is the backbone of the economy and therefore the fortunes of this country rests on the agricultural sector. It employs about 60 per cent of our labour force. Also, if you look at the contribution of the agricultural sector to the GDP, it ranges above 30 per cent.
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.


Mr. Speaker, in the year 2003, the agricultural sector contributed 41.4 per cent to the GDP and this figure keep reducing over the years. In the year 2004, it dropped to 36.6 per cent and in the year 2005, 36 per cent. In the year 2006, it dropped further to 35.4 per cent and then in 2007, it further dropped to 34.7 per cent.

Mr. Speaker, if you look at the actual

contribution of the agriculture sector to the GDP growth, it over the years keep dwindling. In the year 2004, the agriculture sector contributed 2.6 per cent to the GDP growth. In the year 2005, it dropped from 2.6 per cent to 1.5 per cent. In the year 2006, it increased a bit from 1.5 per cent to 1.6 per cent and then in the year 2007, it dropped again from 1.6 per cent to 1.4 per cent.

Mr. Speaker, you could see that the

sector which is very important to this economy, the sector that employs over 60 per cent of our labour force, contribution from that sector to the growth of the GDP keeps reducing. If that is happening, it means that this country is growing at a reducing rate.

This reduction in the contribution of
Dr. A. A. Osei 1 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think my very good Friend is saying something that he does not have to say and I just want to draw his attention to it, just in case he is not sure. He is saying that, in an economy where the agricultural sector's share and the GDP is declining, it means things are not good.
In any modern economy, if you want
Mr. Avedzi 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
Dr. Akoto Osei 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I just
want to remind the hon. Member that he should look around the world, if he wants to see that an economy is emerging and is developing and gets to be developed -- He should look at Korea, he should look at Malaysia, he should look at Singapore, he should look around the world.
The mark is how you move from an agrarian society to a modern economy. So it should be declining. He should look around the world, Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, United States, you name it. So I am sure that is not what he wants to say. I just want to bring it to his attention that maybe he wants to say something else. But what he is saying is inconsistent with the characteristics of a modern economy.
Mr. Avedzi 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to tell the hon. Minister of State that even, if the contribution of the agricultural sector to GDP in those countries he mentioned are declining, they do not import foodstuffs. We are importing rice, we are importing staple food into this country. Meanwhile, our economy is agriculture-based. So we have a problem, this is what I am saying. Every industry is declining; so this is the problem we have.
Mr. Speaker, I want to say that the decline in the contribution of the agricultural sector to GDP growth can be explained and I am going to explain. If you look at the allocation of the national cake to the agricultural sector, that also keeps declining. Even though our national revenue keeps increasing at a percentage rate of around 30 per cent, the allocation of the national cake to the agricultural sector keeps declining. Why are we doing that when our economy is agriculture- based?
Mr. Speaker, if one reads the year 2005
Budget Statement, 1.77 per cent --
rose
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.
I am not taking notice of
any of you standing now.
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the year
2005, the allocation of the national Budget to the agricultural sector is only 1.77 per cent. The agriculture sector which is a very important sector had 1.77 per cent of the national Budget allocated to it. Mr. Speaker, if you go to the year 2006, the allocation is 1.5 per cent. It reduced from 1.77 per cent to 1.75 per cent. It increased a bit to 2.22 per cent in the year 2007.

Mr. Speaker in this 2008 Budget, the allocation to the agricultural sector is only 1.23 per cent of the national Budget. This explained the performance of the agricultural sector into the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth. So as a country, if we want to develop, let us relook at the allocation that we are giving to the agricultural sector.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon. Member, kindly
refer us to the paragraph, it is important that we know.
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, these are
analysis that I took from all the 2005,
2006, 2007 and 2008 Budgets. If they want the figures I can provide the references for them.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
I thought you were
referring us to the Budget Statement, the financial policy -
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
challenge him that his figures are incorrect; his analysis is incorrect. I can prove to him that he is using the wrong numbers. Mr. Speaker, the budget going to agriculture is not only captured under the sector. If he does not know that, he should come and we would teach him.
Mr. Speaker, if you go to project loans and grants, the amount of money that is going to the agricultural sector -- if you go to MCA you have agric there -- if you do the analysis and you use the wrong definition you are incorrect. I challenge you. That number is incorrect. He is using the simple sectoral allocation that is at the back of the table, but that is not the share going to agriculture, that is not the share. Projects are there, he is leaving out projects, he is using the MCA; that is why his analysis is incorrect. If you do not know it, come and we would teach you. Do not mislead this House and the whole nation.
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if the hon.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Give us the paragraph
please.
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you go to
page 441 of the 2008 Budget, the first item is - food and agriculture and the allocation for the sector is GH¢ 87,102,107. I am saying that this ¢87 million here is the total of GOG allocation, donor allocation, IEF allocation, HIPC allocation. If he says the project funds are not part of this figure, what are those figures? We do not know where those figures are.
So I picked these figures from the Budget and I expressed these figures over the total revenue, that is the national revenue of ¢71 trillion and that gave me 1.23 per cent. So the hon. Minister must come properly and give us the exact allocation to the agricultural sector in the Budget. For me, what I know in the Budget is only 87.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon. Member, but your
figures, I am not with you at all. We want to understand what point you are raising.
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, what I am
saying is that the page I referred you to, there is an allocation to the agricultural sector which is GH¢87, 102,107, that figure is an allocation of the total national Budget to the agricultural sector. If you take the total national Budget for 2008, it is GH¢71,071,63. If you express the allocation to the agricultural sector over this figure, it gives you only 1.23 per cent and the Minister is saying that the figure I am quoting, the 87, is not all that is allocated to the agricultural sector. I am in turn saying that those other allocations to the agricultural sector, I cannot find them in the book.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
But this is allocation to
the Ministry?
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, exactly, the
Ministry of Agriculture and that is the allocation to the agricultural sector.
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank
you for making my point for me. I was just trying to explain that what he did, he should have said the amount allocated to the Ministry and that cannot be the total allocation to the agricultural sector.
Mr. Speaker, just one example. In the constituencies we have part of the MCA funds coming in there for agriculture; you have not added that so you would be incorrect. Mr. Speaker, if you add the amount going to MCA it is going to agriculture. If you go to DACF, you would find money going to agriculture. Even if you go to the Ministry of Lands, Forestry and Mines you would find moneys going to agriculture.
So do not say that is the total allocation to the agricultural sector. That is why I am saying is not what he means to say. I am correcting you; you are my friend, take it.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon. Member, this is
the point I was making myself.
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was

Some hon. Members -- rose --
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Are you prepared to
yield to any of your Colleagues?
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
the hon. Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning has
consistently given some information which is not only inaccurate - [Interruption] - Mr. Speaker, you gave him an opportunity on a point of order and he sought to correct what he described in his mind as misleading information that hon. Avedzi was giving.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister, and I
am paraphrasing him, said that “The contribution of the agricultural sector must be declining”. He repeated himself; it must be declining. Yet the same Minister, his budget projects a growth in 2007 and Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence at page 33, he projected a growth of 6.1 per cent. Why did the Budget not project a decline in the agricultural sector?
In 2008, the Budget is projecting another growth yet he seeks seek to mislead this House that it is only when the agricultural sector is declining that an economy is modernizing. Mr. Speaker, clearly, he is misleading the people of this country with such information that cannot be relied upon. This is economics; I am quoting the Budget Statement. They projected growth and he is telling us that it is a decline which can bring about development. Why are you then projecting growth?
Mr. Avedzi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to
move from the agricultural sector and go to the Health sector - [Interruption] - Mr. Speaker, I think I have made my point so I am moving from the agricultural sector to the Health sector.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at the
allocation to the Health Ministry as well, it is also not stable. In accordance with the Abuja Declaration of 1999, countries in the sub-Saharan region must be allocating at least 15 per cent of the national revenue to the health sector. But if you look at the allocation over the years to the health
sector, it keeps ranging around 9 per cent or 10 per cent.
In 2005, the allocation to the ealth sector was 7.17 per cent of the national revenue. In 2006, it rose to 11.05 per cent, then in 2007, it came down to 9.29 per cent.
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon. Member, are
you referring to the health sector or the Ministry of Health?
Mr. Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
The Ministry of Health.
The projection for 2008 is 10.58 per cent. All this averages around 9.5 per cent; all these figures fall short of the 15 per cent of the Abuja Declaration. So my point here is that if the health of this economy must be looked at very well, then allocation from the national Budget to the health sector must be aiming towards 15 per cent as the Abuja Declaration.
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
he is falling in the same trap again. The Abuja Declaration does not talk about the Health Ministry; it is money that is going to the health area or sector. Mr. Speaker, if you look into this Budget Statement there is a huge amount of money called “NHIS”; and all that money is going to the health sector; unless he adds those, he would be misleading himself. So he must be careful where he is going. The Abuja Declaration does not talk about the Health Ministry. Even from the Common Fund, some money goes to health and he needs to add all that up to see whether we are meeting the Abuja Declaration target or not.
His Member of Parliament's share of the Common Fund, he uses it in the health sector and that is counted towards money in the health sector. If he uses part of his HIPC money, to build a clinic, that is allocation to the health sector. So
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:20 p.m.


he should add all of that before he can determine whether we are meeting the Abuja Declaration targets or not.
Mr. Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, exactly
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Order! Order!
Mr. Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I refer you
to page 443 under Human Resources. There is 752 that includes Government of Ghana allocation, donor allocation, IGF, HIPC, MDRI and then NHIS allocation. All these figures total the 752; and this is just 10.85 per cent of the total revenue. So what the hon. Minister of State is saying are all included in the figure. If this figure I am mentioning is not the correct figure, he should come out with the correct figure. I said it is 10.85 per cent, he should come out with a figure and prove that it is aiming at the 15 per cent of the Abuja Declaration.
Mr. Speaker, I want to say that if the Government of the NPP is taking the health of Ghanaians in this way then it means that our health is in jeopardy and that it is only under a future NDC Government that we can be very consistent and make sure the Abuja Declaration is achieved.
This Budget can therefore not be described as a budget of bright future; it a budget that is killing the Ghanaian slowly; it is a budget that lacks vision; it is a budget that lacks focus and those people who are at the helm of affairs are lacking the ideas required for making projections.
Mr. Avedzi 1:20 p.m.


Therefore, we are calling on the good people of Ghana to make sure that come 2008, they are voted out of power.

Mr. Speaker, another area I want to talk
rose
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon. Minister, you would
be given plenty of time to contribute.
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
hon. Friend knows that - he is an accountant -- at least we have accumulated money for the development of this country. The sense of purpose is there; so he cannot tell us that we lack vision. Bui Dam is there. After 87 years, this is the time that we are constructing it. For 20 good years they were in power.
Mr. Tia 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, with due respect,
I think that we should be very serious in this House. Over the weekend we were all assembled, especially the Leadership, ranking members, at Koforidua to look through the Budget. In Koforidua, all the various sectors were represented by officials to brief Members on what was allocated to their sectors and then to
defend or tell us how they intended to use them with particular reference to the
GPRS.
Mr. Speaker, if after giving us such information we here rely on it and we make analysis and then the Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, supported by his sector Minister would say that all those things we are referring to are wrong then I do not know where we are going. Then this debate should be curtailed.
I am saying that in Koforidua we took them sector by sector and we were told what we were going to do; they brought in all the components, how health was going to be tackled, how agriculture was going to be tackled and all those things and gave us these figures; then the total budgetary sum is what we have considered.
So if today we take those figures and we are analyzing them and telling them what is wrong and they say we are wrong then I think we should better stop this -- - what they have in their heads or what is in this book.
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Chief Whip, I was not
in Koforidua with you, but I am looking at it also from the point of view of this report. That was why I asked several questions.
Mr. Tia 1:20 p.m.
So Mr. Speaker, if we refer
to this report and then make analysis and they get up and say we are wrong and this and that then we do not know what we are doing. We have to advise ourselves on this side.
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, with all
due respect to my hon. senior Colleague, in fact, the Leadership itself admitted that this last workshop was the best they ever had. Why? Mr. Speaker, for the first time
we had certain sectors -- not all sectors were there. Mr. Speaker, doing analysis and presenting data are two different issues. If you choose to do your analysis in a certain way and it is different from mine, you cannot say that I have given you wrong information.
He is not only misleading this House, but for those of us that spend time here, he is casting a slur on our professional integrity. Analytically, you can go a certain way and I can go a certain way; it does not mean that I have given you wrong information.
As a matter of fact, why we are debating here is that when you go a wrong way, it is my responsibility as a Member of Parliament to tell you that your analysis must be carefully done. If he means health sector, he must say health sector; if he means Health Ministry, he must say Health Ministry. Otherwise, he would be misleading this House.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister was there; I was there; the Deputy Minister was there and other Ministers were there too. We spent a weekend providing them with information on this book and he is trying to tell this House that we are lying to the House. The Leadership told us that this was the best workshop that they had ever had. Mr. Speaker, I feel very offended, having acceded to the request from the Leadership to provide information and providing the information. If his people chose to do wrong analysis, my job as a Member of Parliament, not even as a Minister, is to say, “my friend, analytically you are wrong”.
Opinions may differ, but if you are using base 10 and one plus one equals two, it would not be equal to two if you use base two. This is where we differ. But he should have said he was using base one; that is the difference. So Mr. Speaker, I think
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:20 p.m.


my hon. senior Colleague is not being fair to those of us who took our time off to provide them information. Why should he come to the floor of this House to tell us that we are misleading them? Next time when such an education comes, what does he expect us to do?
Mr. Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon. Minister, he has not accused you of lying at all.
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, he implied it. This is a big book. It is not everybody that can analytically understand it. This is what we are saying here but as I said, if he is using base ten where one plus one is two, there is no problem. But if he moves to base two it will be a different result. And that is the only reason I am saying that if we are all going on base ten, let us understand that we are all going on base ten.
So when you move from Ministry to sector, it is up to me to prove to you that even in the District Assemblies Common Fund, money goes to health, money goes education.
Mr. Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon. Minister, you have
made your point. Hon. Member for Ketu North, please conclude.
Mr. Avedzi 1:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will conclude but it seems to me that the figures that are presented in this Budget Statement, the computations that are done, the analysis that I did, I actually derived the figures from the Budget. That is my analysis. He might have a different view other than mine. The way I understood it in my position as a Member of Parliament, is the way I am presenting it.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at page 459 of the 2008 Budget there are figures that they presented there as Poverty Reduction Expenditure by the Government. If you look at the total government expenditure for 2008 that they projected, it is 5.465. I can take that figure and accept it or reject it.
Mr. Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon. Member for Ketu North, we want to be with you, which page are you referring to?
Mr. Avedzi 1:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, page 459 of the 2008 Budget, Appendix 16 -- Poverty Reduction Expenditure by sub-sector in Ghana cedis, GoG only.
If you want to know the total government revenue spent on the poverty reduction area, you do not take GoG expenditure only. You must take the donor contribution, you must take the IGF, you must take HIPC - the total revenue that is coming to Government. You do not take only the GoG.
Mr. Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Order! Order! What are
you saying? Are you saying that the figures in the Budget are wrong? - Say so.
Mr. Avedzi 1:30 p.m.
The figures here which relate to only GoG are correct. But they should not only relate to GoG expenditure, but the total government expenditure which includes donor expenditure as well. - [Hear! Hear!] -This is what I am saying.
Mr. Speaker 1:30 p.m.
So, what you are saying
is that the figures in the Budget are not wrong.
Mr. Avedzi 1:30 p.m.
They are not wrong but
Dr. A. A. Osei 1:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
reason for the GoG only to be there is the point that he is missing. First of all, if you look at the note at the bottom, you will notice that it includes HIPC and MDRI.
Mr. Speaker, secondly, he has to understand why this table has come in to being over the years. When we reach an agreement with partners to measure a certain thing in a certain way, you do not go next year and move the goal posts. We have agreed that we want to capture the efforts that this Government or any government of Ghana is making towards poverty reduction. You do not go and say that you are adding donors this time.
So you do not change the definition or as they say in soccer ,move the goal posts. It is an acceptable agreements and we respect agreements; we want to live by them. So we want, together with our partners, to capture the efforts we are making on our own. That is why the table is there. So he cannot say that we
are misleading. We cannot mislead. It is a deliberate agreement and we have to live by it.
Mr. Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon. Member, please,
conclude.
Mr. Avedzi 1:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the
hon. Minister has agreed to my suggestion and probably in a future budget which will be prepared by my side of the House, we will take account of all these things.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I want to end

Ms. Josephine Hilda Addoh (NPP - Kwadaso) Mr. Speaker, before I start my submission, I would like the records to correct this figure. The hon. Member for Jomoro in his submission, quoted a figure for life expectancy in this country. His figure was wrong. I am giving this information because of the records and for the sake of hon. Members and the public. The figure is 51.9 years. And I am quoting from the Human Development Report, which was launched only yesterday. So we may have to correct that figure. Thank you very much; I would go on with my submission.

Mr. Speaker, due to time constraint, I

would like to limit myself to the area on poverty reduction, that is, the value that this Government is putting on human life. I would also touch on corruption in this country.

Mr. Speaker, statistics show -- and it is indicated in the Budget -- that poverty in this country is assuming a downward trend; it is actually reducing. Thus from 39.5 per cen in 1998/1999 if has reduced to 28.5 per cent in 2005/2006. Real minimum wage has really increased from $0.5 in October 2000 to $2.1 as at today. Extreme poverty has, in fact, been halved; and we

may have to note that the target was to achieve this in 2015.

This is well in advance. This is an achievement which shows the future is surely bright. What I said so far means that Ghanaians are better off today than they were some seven/eight years ago. You will agree with me -- and I am very certain that Ghanaians and observers outside our country who have been following the governance of this country will appreciate that this has been achieved by dint of hard work, deliberate implemen- tation of prudent policies and ensuring comprehensive policy.

Mr. Speaker, it has been achieved

based on the clear vision of a President who has the flair to help and direct his people to build a formidable nation to the admiration of the whole world. Mr. Speaker, there are some policies which have been adopted and they are the undercurrents of these achievements.

Mr. Speaker, for lack of time, I would

like to touch on the Capitation Grant which allows pupils to be in school up to the basic level without paying anything - free education and free textbooks. Pupils enjoy free ride where the buses are available. Mr. Speaker, this goes to reduce poverty.

Mr. Speaker, I will also touch on the implementation of the School Feeding Programme. It may interest you, Mr. Speaker, that last week your Committee on Poverty Reduction Strategy took a working visit to the Ashanti Region. We visited about four schools and we talked to some people in the city and in the villages. They were all saying the same things to us -- the teachers and parents. Representatives from both sides of the House went to the Ashanti Region and they can all attest to this.

As we all know, numbers in classrooms have increased and in a place called Jimisu in the Obuasi area, numbers have increased from 9 or 12 in a classroom to 35 and 36. This is an achievement. Somebody would want to talk about quality in future, but they will all pass, I believe, because they are being taught.

There are challenges as to how to get classrooms for the increased numbers but these are teething problems that should not discourage us. The programme is good; parents are embracing the programme and teachers are embracing the programme.

Mr. Speaker, they also said something about truancy that they have been able to deal with in the schools. Children who were being whipped to go to school, children who were playing truancy are no more playing truancy. They go to the classrooms themselves without parents following them. This is a positive thing for this country.

Mr. Speaker, we tasted some of the food that the matrons served in the schools and Mr. Speaker, the Members of the Committee will attest to the fact that they were good. The only problem we came across was with one school where the food was late and I would really seize this opportunity to draw attention to the fact that matrons should take note of that and do what they can to support the School Feeding Programme.

I am therefore delighted, Mr. Speaker, to know that in the Budget, the Government is going to set up a School Feeding Fund to sustain this programme and subsequently expand it.

Mr. Speaker, it is interesting to note that in the north, female students at the junior secondary school level are enjoying food rations and they are also given bicycles to go to school. This is part of poverty reduction and I am really happy about this one in particular because in the south,
Mr. Avedzi 1:40 p.m.


junior secondary school students are not enjoying this facility. It will help the girls in the north to go to school the way the children at Jimisu are attending school this time.

Mr. Speaker, this is again a manifes- tation of the President's commit-ment to help educate the girl-child, especially in the north.

The National Health Insurance scheme
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip,
do you have a point of order?
Mr. Tia 1:40 p.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr.
Speaker, my attention has just been drawn to a statement that was made by my hon. Colleague to the effect that JSS female students are enjoying food ration in the north. [Interruptions.] To the best of my knowledge, not just my knowledge but the knowledge of all of us from the north, it is strange news; it is strange news to us.
I recently came from Bolgatanga Secondary School; I have several junior secondary schools and I met the Director of Education and so on. We discussed a number of things and the problems that came up was this Capitation Grant for the primary schools and the allocations -- funding itself is a problem.
So Catholic Relief Services (CRS) and then my particular constituency, Star of Hope was feeding some of these pupils. But to say that it is Government's policy is strange news to us and she could provide better particulars. It would be welcome news if it is true but it is not. she should
provide better particulars.
Ms Addoh 1:40 p.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The hon. Member may have to see the Minister in charge. If unfortunately it is not in his constituency, it is in other areas. And I will continue, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, on the National Health
Insurance Scheme, its contribution towards reducing poverty in this country, I would like, with your indulgence, to quote from page 6 of the Budget and that will summarize it all.
rose
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Do you have a point of
order? Go ahead.
Mr. Tia 1:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the
convention in the House is that when you make a factual statement which cannot be corraborated, you have to get it out of the records. So I think that the hon. Member instead referring me to the Minister for Education, Science and Sports who is not here to answer, should have just honourably said “all right, maybe I will check my facts again” and then withdraw it.
We do not want to be carried onto another platform because sweeping statements are always being made when it comes to the north. They are sweeping statements and it is not fine. It is not good. So Mr. Speaker, let us be factual in these things. She has not got the facts so she should just take it straight and then we
Mr. Tia 1:40 p.m.


move on. Which schools are those?
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon. Member for
Kwadaso, can you supply us better and further particulars?
Ms. Addoh 1:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I refer
the House to page 399 of the Budget, the second paragraph, Mr. Speaker, the Millennium Development Goals (MDG) target, the information is there.
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
The page again, please.
Ms. Addoh 1:40 p.m.
Page 399, paragraph
1356, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon. Member, does
this paragraph talk about rationing? - [Interruptions.] Hon. Members, please, you are not in charge. Please, let her go on.
Ms. Addoh 1:40 p.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will leave that area and go straight to corruption in this country.
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon. Member, you
mentioned page 399, paragraph 1356.
Ms. Addoh 1:40 p.m.
Yes, and with your
permission, I quote:
“Mr. Speaker, to bridge gender gaps in access to education, a number of measures continue to be funded including scholarship schemes for needy girls, provisions of food rations for females. The gender parity index at primary level . . .”
And I am drawing hon. Members' attention to the fact that this is in the north -- from the research that I have done. You may have to get more information at the JSS level. That is the information.
Mr. Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon. Member for
Kwadaso, you may, in the meantime, withdraw that part of the statement and come back when you have all the necessary information because this one does not support your contention.
Ms. Addoh 1:40 p.m.
All right, Mr. Speaker, if
you direct that later the hon. Member can see me for -- because it is directed to the north. So I withdraw that till the hon. Member sees me concerning that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon. Member, you may want to do the honourable thing by saying that this does not support your contention, what you have read except - [Interruption.]
Prof. Fobih 1:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Government's education programme for gender parity and parity in deprivation and endowed areas, our resources normally go to the endowed areas when it comes to considering field security in those areas for selection of gender in the schools and the less-endowed areas. So the question of the North being the focus is right.
Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip, I will call you but let us listen to the Minister. Minister, you are therefore saying that the statement by the hon. Member is correct. This is what you are saying?
Prof. Fobih 1:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes.
Mr. Tia 1:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, in my area, they say “Book no lie”. Gasi da filli; Here it is - black and white. Her statement was categorical about the North and we are saying that there is nothing on the ground anywhere to show that this is taking place. The hon. Minister's statement has even worsened the situation. My good Friend
the Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, said when it comes to this food and other things, they give it to endowed areas. How is the North more endowed than the -- [Interruption.] So he has worsened the situation.
So Mr. Speaker, I think that we should honourably do the right thing. The Minister should not just come to her aid because they belong to the same - If there is an intention they should tell us so and then we will look out for it. But for now, to make that sweeping statement categorically is unfortunate. Let us make progress; the hon. Member should just withdraw honourably - [Interruptions.] I am requesting through the Speaker; what is his problem?
Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Order! Minister, do you want to make any further statement on this or you want to come back properly?
Prof. Fobih 1:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to confirm that we are the implementing agency of the programme and therefore what I am saying is the truth.
Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip, let us make progress. [Interruption.]
Ms. Addoh 1:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will touch on corruption in this country. The essence of history is for us to understand the happenings of today and position us to project into the future hence the following analysis I am going to make.
Needless to say in 1979 mere perception landed all our former Heads of States in their graves in our bid to fight corruption in this country. About twenty years on, in January 2000, precisely on the 13th January 2000, during the State of the Nation Address by the former President, His Excellency J. J. Rawlings, he lamented on the level of corruption in this country. So he said in his Address that he had thrown an invitation to the World Bank to come to our aid. So the level of corruption was
Ms. Addoh 1:50 p.m.


very high and corruption has been with us and we must fight it.

At another point in time, still on the level of corruption in Ghana, the former President said we had to go the Ethiopian way to solve corruption in this country. And to cleanse the country, we had to shed blood; and it was still on the level of corruption. The Ethiopian way, if I have to explain, Mengistu Haile Mariam and his revolutionaries had purged Ethiopia of feudal laws and opponents in 1974.
Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon. Members, we shall have extended Sitting. Please continue.
Ms. Addoh 1:50 p.m.
This is an attempt by the Government to solve the problem of corruption. It is a softer way of looking at it but then if Ghanaians come together, if we embrace this and we work together, we can solve the problem of corruption because it is a canker that can draw us back in our bid to enter the middle income status in 2015. All I am saying is that interventions are there for us to work together as a country, as a people with no partisan emotions, to fight corruption.
Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Item 5.
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Mr. Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Minority Chief Whip,
let us go through a few clauses and then we decide what to do. I know you must be tired but -
BILLS - CONSIDERATION STAGE 2 p.m.

Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 2, add a new subclause as follows:
(c) “The purpose for which the Re-gister is to be maintained are confined to the public purposes.”

I am saying that we are embarking on a very important mission to collect information. Mr. Speaker, the view is that of what use is the personal information going to be? I have no doubt in my mind that it is going to be used for public purpose. If you read the first page of the Memorandum to the Bill, it makes reference to Chapter 6 of the Constitution, Directive Principles of State Policy.

We need data to fight crime. We need data to end processes of anonymity and I think that we must restrict ourselves so that nobody uses the information that we are going to get out of this national registration exercise for any other purpose other than for the public purpose. It is to guide public institutions. And reference is made even in subsequent clauses as to user agencies who are to be able to use the

information that is to be given.

I think that hon. Members will support this new amendment so that the information that we are going to get can only be used for public purposes and nothing more.

Mr. Speaker, I beg to move.
Mr. Chireh 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think this proposed amendment is in order and should be supported.
The reason is that in many of other provisions and other jurisdictions, the purpose is confined to public interest; sometimes, they use public interest. Even in this Bill we have occasions where we have to take certain actions because of certain public interest, public trust and all that. And that is even catered for in our Constitution. Therefore, I support that we add this subclause to the clause 2.
Mr. Kojo Armah 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we as a committee are opposed to this amendment.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at the last paragraph of the Memorandum to the Bill, it says:
“The multipurpose identity system will allow organisations linked to the national database to perform interrelated functions and also allow these organisations to interrelate data collected on citizens and foreign nationals who are permanently or legally resident in the country.”
If you go through the Bill, all the user agencies that have been identified and named in the Bill are all public institutions. So we do not see why we should flog it further by restricting the use of the information to public use only; because

there could be occasions when we will need this information for other usages apart from the public purpose that he is talking about.

Mr. Speaker, we think it is just an overkill by just restricting the use of information from the database. So we oppose this and we think the hon. Member who moved for the amendment should withdraw it so that we will make progress.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would not have any problem with the amendment but I want him to address this point. In the Bill, the data collection will be used by user agencies. “User agencies”, is defined to include the Social Security and National Insurance Trust (SSNIT), National Health Insurance Service (NHIS), the Revenue Agencies Governing Board, the Ghana Immigration Service and any other public or private organisation approved of by the Minister. So if he can address that point, maybe, I will make up my mind.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, he has aided my argument. User agencies - the Social Security and National Insurance Trust (SSNIT), National Health Insurance Service (NHIS), the Revenue Agencies Governing Board, the Ghana Immigration Service and the Ghana Police Service are all public institutions. For what reason can any of these institutions - [Inter-ruptions.]
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon. Majority Leader, let him finish.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you want me to read the entire clause, they have added “private or public organisation”. The purpose of this Bill is to collect people's personal information for the purpose of a national database. And I am simply raising the question, for
what purpose? It can only be for public use. And therefore we should not stretch it. The fact that they have defined “user agencies” here to mean some undefined private organi-sation, does not mean that that is the purpose of this register.
Mr. Speaker, if for instance, any local security for information on the former hon. Senior Minister, I do not think that it should be granted. For what reason will a private entity be seeking information about him? It must be for a public purpose. If it is about my national health insurance, fine. If it is about my education or criminal record of somebody, fine. Indeed, I have perused the UK Bill and they say that “for statutory purposes”. And for the purpose, we are simply saying that they accept a non-controversial amendment to say that this data is for public purposes.
Mr. Speaker, this information can only and should be restricted to public use; other than that we risk the personal information of individuals. Can you imagine that in a matrimonial home, there may be a man who is double timing in terms of marital status, but Mr. Speaker, the private wife walks there and says that they should give her the information about her husband's marital status - [Uproar.] I am making a hypothetical case. That is private. It is not for public purpose.
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Mr. Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon. Majority Leader, do you want to clarify this issue?
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, under the Bill, that is not possible. An individual can access information relating to either himself or herself but not to some other person.
But the issue I want him to address is what happens to the definition of “user agencies” since it includes private and public organisations?
Mr. Chireh 2 p.m.
Speaker, precisely because we have added “private organisation”. If any personal information is taken from anybody by this orga-nisation, it must be used for public purpose. Otherwise, if you have a private intelligence agency and it goes to access this information and it is an espionage or doing something against and not in the public interest, it is not right.
So I think that what is important is that once we have put “private organisation” there, which could be a bank or something, it should be used for public purpose and not for any other purpose. If the purpose is not confined to public purpose then we will all be scared that that information can be used against other people in future by any private organisation.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if one reads clause 48 -- “Limits on use of personal information by the Authority” -- Mr. Speaker, if it is for the purpose of the abuse of the use of the information that is worrying the hon. Member, the Bill itself prescribes the limit within which the information could be disclosed. So basically, it is extended to private sector. It is not every information and it is not every occasion that the information will be released to the private sector. It is limited. We are making a legislation for an integrated society. It is not a disintegrated society.
The argument being put forward is disintegrative. It is an integrated society in the sense that we have the public and the private sector and they all go together to make the society, so I do not see why we should exclude the private sector for no good reason.

Mr. Speaker, if I may read for the benefit of hon. Members who may not

have their copies with them so that when it comes to the stage of voting they will vote rightly. Mr. Speaker, with your permission, clause 48 reads as follows:

“Where the Authori ty holds personal certain information which was collected in connection with a particular purpose, it shall not use that information for any other purpose unless --

(a) the authority is of the opinion based on reasonable grounds that the use of the information for that other purpose is necessary to prevent or lessen a serious and imminent threat to the life or health of the individual concerned or any other individual or to public health or safety, or

(b) the use of the information for that other purpose is necessary

i) for the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution or punishment for an offence, or

ii) for the preparation or conduct of proceedings before a court or the imple-mentation of the orders of a court.”

Mr. Speaker, these are the areas of limitation and if one looks at it seriously there is a reference to threat to life or health and then public health or safety. The fact that we have used here public health or safety does not mean that it is confined to public health or safety only. There may be a disclosure of information to the private sector to effect public health or safety. There may be a disclosure to the private sector, but Mr. Speaker, we cannot sit here and defend everything.

We are making legislation for the future and we need to make room to cater for events which may not be foreseen at this stage. So it is necessary that the original draft or the original provision should stay without any disturbance at all.
Mr. David Oppon-Kusi 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
those of us who are not lawyers would like some of these things to be broken down for us. For example, if I go to the bank looking for a loan, the bank is a private enterprise so will the law bar them from seeking information on me? Because sometimes the problem we have with accessing credit is the fact that the banks do not know us very well and they try to spread the risk that they take with regard to certain individuals on everybody.
So I would want this clarification that when we talk of public and private, a banking institution, if it wants information on somebody who is going to take money from it. Is it from public or private? And I would then suggest that if we want any limitations, as my hon. Colleague said, we should go to clause 48 and make sure that limitations are enough to protect the misuse of the information.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon.
Member for Tamale South, if your amendment were to go through, do you consider whether it would even affect the status of the user agency as defined here? In other words, if you are talking of the thing including private organization and you are talking of public use whether even the very status of the private organization it can ask for it. I think that you have raised a very important amendment. Can we stand it down so that you have further consultations on it?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, rightly
so. But with your indulgence the very clause he referred to, clause 48 makes reference to a court. A court is a public institution. It rather strengthens the argument. The fact that a private entity goes for information -- It must be in the public interest and somewhere in the Bill they themselves have said that information can only be given for the public interest. I accept that we stand it down.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
We would stand it down so that you can look at the various ramifications. So that is stood down.
Amendment deferred.
Clause 3 - Functions of Authority as
regards this Part.
Mr. Armah 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 3, paragraphs (a) and (b), delete “a registrable fact” and insert “personal information”.
Consequentially it would go through.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
that it is an important amendment because earlier on we had made reference to registerable facts without finding it even under the interpretation column. We have all come to agree that whether we need personal data -- I think that the amendment must be supported by all of us.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, for
purposes of elegance, clause 3, the first line, we had earlier on moved an amendment to delete “is to” and substitute with “shall” but because we went through the process of winnowing it may have escaped us, so if you would permit us we would need to further move an amendment to that effect.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
That is
usually what appears in documents.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise
to oppose the amendment.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
To
oppose the amendment?
Mr. W. Boafo 2:10 p.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want
to say that they should be retained. This is because if you look at clause 4 (2) (d) -- and with your permission, I beg to quote:
“(d) any other particulars that the
Minister may by Regulations prescribe”.
Mr. Speaker, it means it is not exhaustive.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Are
you objecting to the one proposed by the hon. Member for Tamale South, that “full name” or the amendment proposed by the Chairman of the Committee?
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
amendment proposed by the Chairman of the Committee.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Very
well.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
reason why I am proposing the substitution of “include” for “indicate” is that the subclause itself recognises that the items to be indicated could be extended by giving the power to the Minister to give any other particulars by regulations.
Mr. Chireh 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
he has even made the case stronger for
I therefore beg to move, clause 3, line (1) delete “is to” and insert “shall”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 3 as amended ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
Clause 4 - Content of Register.
Mr. Armah 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 4, subclause (1), delete “identity data of” and substitute “personal information collected by the Authority in respect of”.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
support the proposed amendment because identity data is much broader than personal information and we should support the amendment.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Mr. Armah 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 4, subclause (2), line 1, after “information” insert “required to be” and in line 2, delete “indicate” and insert “include”.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
that the amendment is right. Clause 4, subclause (2), line 1, we delete the word “indicate” and substitute it with the word “include”.
Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence,
I would want to further move for an amendment to clause 4, that clause 4, subclause (2), paragraph (a)(i), delete “name” and insert “full name”. When you say “name” -- I am called Haruna. Iddrisu is not my name; except when you ask for my full name that I will say Iddrisu Haruna. So for purposes of clarity,
the use of the word “include”. That just prepares us to know that we can always add something. If we say “indicate”, that seems to be restricting the paragraph. What I am saying is that the two things actually reinforce each other and that is why the Committee considered that instead of “indicate” it should be “include” so that everybody knows that in future something can be added. So I do not see why he is opposing it.
In the case of the proposed further amendment, of course, we have to say “full name” because we have not provided any schedule as to the format. But we should not assume that they will take the necessary action. We can just add the “full name” so that the clarity is better. I support both amendments.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I still
believe that clause 4 (2) which states that “shall indicate” - Mr. Speaker, if you read clause 4 (2) (d) together, you will realise that what it purports to say is that for the time being, what we desire in this particular Bill are those we have set out. And if there is the need to add to, they have given that power to the Minister.
The discretion to add to that has been taken away by the Bill itself unless we consider it necessary to give discretion for the extension of the information needed in the register. This is because as it is now, what they are saying is that when a person purports to register, these are the particulars that the person should indicate in the register. Any extension of the particulars needed should be reserved for the Minister. That is why I am saying that any other particulars that the Minister by regulations may prescribe.
So if we at this stage substitute the word “include” for “indicate” then it means we are taking that power from the Minister or
we are trying to allow the officer to share the power with the Minister. Mr. Speaker, that is another way of looking at it apart from the initial argument that I advanced.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if we use the words “shall include”, we are not sharing the Minister's discretion with any other person. I do not accept that. In fact, the normal words used in these matters have always been “shall include”. Of course, I see the point he is making, because there is a subclause which allows the Minister to expand the list; then we should use the word “indicate”. Mr. Speaker, “indicate” means to show. It means the person's information required in the register shall show, that is, indicate.
Mr. Speaker, if we use the words “shall include”, I do not think it is appropriate. Personally I will support the amendment for the word “indicate” to be deleted and in its place to have the words “shall include” substituted.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:20 p.m.
Hon.
Deputy Minister, if it is rendered “shall include”, does that forbid indicating the power of - (d) “ . . . any other particulars the Minister may by regulations prescribe”? Is it forbidden for the Minister to do so if it is “shall include”, specifying for now what is to be provided?
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, it
does not take away entirely the power of the Minister but it is rather negating the legislative intent. The legislative intent, as I see it, is that these are what should be indicated. If there should be any other indication in the future, reserve it for the Minister.
Mr. Armah 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I really
do not see this roundabout business of limiting, negating or sharing the powers of the Minister. What we are saying is that all those things that have been indicated there form part of whatever particulars
would be needed to go into the register. If in future there is the need to add any other thing, the Minister is given that discretion in (d). So I do not see the contradiction -
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:20 p.m.
There is
no disagreement on substance. I will put the Question on the amendment moved by the Chairman and then the additional amendment of adding “full name” rather than just “name”.
Question put and amendment agreed to, viz:
Clause 4, subclause (2), line 1, after “information” insert “required to be” and in line 2, delete “indicate” and insert “include”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to, viz:
Clause 4. subclause (2), paragraph (a) (i) delete “name” and insert “full name”.
Mr. Armah 2:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 4, subclause (2) add a new paragraph as follows:
(x) “Nationality”.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we are
only adding as to what must be included in the information that is required of an individual who is giving out personal information.

Mr. Speaker, in the memorandum to the Bill, we were reminded that we are seeking to register persons resident in Ghana, both Ghanaians and non-Ghanaians. I think that it is important that nationality is included so that we do know that these are persons who are Ghanaians and these are persons

who are non-Ghanaians. It is further taken care of under the categorisation intended in this Bill. So we support the amended.

Question put and amendment agreed

to.

Clause 4 as amended ordered to stand

part of the Bill.

Clause 5 - Information that may be

recorded in the Register.
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 5, line 1, at beginning insert “Personal”.
Mr. Speaker, this is to be consistent with the idea that the data to be collected is personal information. So we are just adding “personal” to the word “information” in line one.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
support the proposed amendment except to further with leave from you, say that the headnote will have to now also be qualified with “personal information” if that is agreeable. I think that we have shifted away from data in the generic sense of every information which is stored on computer to requesting for individual personal information.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
Chairman of the Committee, what do you say?
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is
agreeable.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
So
the headnote will also read “Personal information”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Clause 5 as amended ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
Although I see some diminishing returns setting in, let us hear the responses. After clause 7 then --
Clause 6 -- Update of Register.
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 6, delete subclauses (1) and (2) and insert the following:
“6 (1) The Executive Secretary shall
a. update;
b. rectify any errors discovered in the Register.”
Mr. Chireh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think it is in order. The earlier one was confusing two things. The Committee discussed it extensively and agreed on this formulation, and it should be supported.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to support the amendment because in subsequent clauses, we will see an obligation created for the Executive Secretary to update the register and to rectify errors. Mr. Speaker, except that with your leave, I have a difficulty with “rectify any errors discovered”. I will further seek the deletion of the word “discovered” so that we just say that “rectify any errors in the register”.
Mr. Speaker, I am wondering whether “The Executive Secretary” there should not be substituted for “The Authority”, per Act 707. I am sure when we come forward, we will be able to deal with that.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that that was what was agreed on at the winnowing, that we should have the “Authority” for the “Executive Secretary”, and so it should be amended to that effect.
Mr. Chireh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is true
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the duty, the obligation is placed on the Authority. The executing officer is the Executive Secretary, but it is the obligation that is owed by the Authority, that is the difference.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
Chairman of the Committee? [Pause.] First of all, the proposal by the hon. Member for Tamale South that to make it neater, you remove “discovers” and just make it “any errors”, what is your position on that?
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I did not get that point.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
The hon. Member for Tamale South said that from your amendment (b), “rectify any errors discovered in the register”, you should remove “discovered” and just say “rectify any errors in the register” as further amendment to your amendment.
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not really see the point because the error need to be discovered before it can be rectified. Somebody ought to discover that there is an error and then draw attention to it. You simply cannot say “error in the register”. So I think it does not really make any difference. “The authority” is agreeable.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
The point that I have raised, what do you agree to, “The Executive Secretary” or “The Authority”?
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, “The Authority”.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
So the Question will be put in respect of the amendment having “discovered” there and in place of “The Executive Secretary” “The Authority”.
Question put and amendment agreed to, viz:
Clause 6, delete subclauses (1) and (2) and insert the following:
“6(1) The Authority shall
a) update;
b) rectify any errors discovered in the Register.”
Clause 6 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 7 -- Eligibility for registration
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
Amendment (viii)?
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we are abandoning that amendment.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
We are abandoning the amendment.
Mr. Speaker 2:30 p.m.
What about (ix)?
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we are moving that one.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 7,
subclause (1) insert a new paragraph as follows:
“foreign nationals with residence permits”.
Mr. Chireh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I did not
quite understand his amendment. Is he replacing it with (b) or it is a new paragraph he is introducing?
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
It
has been clearly stated that it is a new paragraph, in the amendment (xi).
Mr. Chireh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, because we already have (b) which is “foreign nationals” and then he is talking about - [Interruption].
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
Yes. Chairman of the Committee, you are talking of “foreign nationals with residence permits”, and you have in (b) “foreign nationals permanently resident in this country”. You are making a distinction between the two, right?
Mr. Armah 2:30 p.m.
That is so, Mr. Speaker. Mr.
Speaker, it is possible in our immigration laws that we have foreign nationals who are permanently resident here. They have taken permanent residence in accordance with the immigration laws of the country. Then you may have some who are here for sometime to work and then go back. They have residence permits. For example, foreigners who are married to Ghanaians or who are married even to foreign nationals.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:30 p.m.
Hon.
Member for Wa West, do you see the distinction?
Mr. Chireh 2:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
worry with this particular amendment is that there is no time specification. For however brief a period that the foreign national happens to be in this country, he has the right to demand that he should be registered. And if one of the purposes for this National Identification Card is to enable effective planning to be undertaken, Mr. Speaker, I think we need to provide time limitation for foreign nationals who are not permanently resident but who may be temporarily resident in the country
for the purpose of being eligible to be registered.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
So, are
you amending the amendment or you want another amendment?
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
reason why I am saying this is that if one goes further to look at subclause (2) there is another option given to a foreign national who has been resident for a period of 6 years. So it is difficult to reconcile the right given to a foreign national who has a resident permit to be registered and also in another breath, giving the right to foreign nationals who have been resident in the country for a continuous period of 6 years.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
But
for mass registration - Those ones, they are eligible for mass registration; clause 7 (1) is talking of a situation where individuals at different times may want to be registered.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
happen to have the Immigration Act here and for resident permits; it is up to 8 years or so. Those who have stayed up to 8 years, they have resident permits, that is under section 13. Section 14 deals with permanent residence status.
So there is a difference between foreign nationals who are here on permit - those who are here up to 8 years - and have not applied for permanent status and section 14 which deals with permanent status. There is a difference between those who have resident permits and those who have permanent residence. The two are dealt with in the Immigration Act, section 13. Section 13 deals with residence permit -- and if I may read it:
“A person who has been lawfully admitted entry into Ghana may, on application to the Director in the required manner be issued with a
residence permit. The Director may grant a residence permit for up to a period not exceeding 8 years, except that a residence permit shall not be for more than 4 years in the first instance.”
Then we have indefinite residence status under section 14 - and so that is why we support the amendment.
Mr. W. O. Boafo 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
not saying that people cannot be given residence permit for a longer period other than permanent residence permit. What I am saying is that if one of the major purposes of registration is to gather statistical data for planning purposes, why do we allow somebody who comes to the country for one week and who obtains a residence permit the right to be registered? What do we get out of it?
Mr. Speaker, secondly, I still rely on the legislative intent. It is clear from clause 7 that the draftsman's intention is that we should give right to foreigners who are permanently resident in Ghana to be registered. And for foreigners who are not permanently registered in Ghana, before they are able to get registration, they must have stayed in this country for a continuous period of 6 years.
Why do we take that out of its context and provide a general right for foreign nationals who enter the country and as the law requires obtain a residence permit? If he is here for two days, if he is here for a single day and he gets residence permit for one day, he has the right to go to the Authority under the law to be registered.
Mr. Speaker, it is not an academic argument. If he says “register me” and you do not register the person, he has the right under the law to insist; and what is the benefit for us? I think we should

uphold the legislative intent of restricting it to permanent resident and other residents who have been in continuous residence for a period of 6 years.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Hon. Chairman of the Committee, have you heard his argument? Your amendment which is “foreign national with residence permits” has no definition in terms of time-frame when this has been had, which means that if he has it one day, then he can register. That is the point he is raising. What do you say?
Mr. Armah 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe
that foreign nationals even including ECOWAS nationals who come to this country have visa limitations. If you take a visa for 6 months or one year and you think that you will be going within the period, that person will not even feel like going to register and nobody can compel the person to go and register.
Mr. Speaker, ECOWAS nationals have a period of 90 days' stay; it is all defined. But somebody takes a residence permit - For instance, now that we have the Chinese workers who are coming to work here, we have people who are coming to work on Bui dam and people who are coming to do other things; they may take residence permits to stay here for a longer period. These are the people who would normally have to be registered by the Authority.
The Immigration Laws also specify these things and in our Interpretation of the Bill we have also defined “permanently resident” to mean “a person who has been granted a permit by the Ghana Immigration Service to reside in the country indefinitely in accordance with the Immigration Act.”
We are working in tandem with the Ghana Immigration Service so I do not think anybody coming here for one day
or one week or for six months with a visa will want to go and register because he has been here in and out.
So Mr. Speaker, I think my amendment should be upheld so that we properly define those who have to be registered by the Authority.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am beginning to appreciate the point of the hon. Deputy Minister.
Mr. Speaker, ideally, if somebody entered the country and wanted to get out, it was all beneficial that we will have information because in recent times they come in, commit crimes, do other things and they get out. Through this, we will be able to have a record of their identity.
On the other hand, Mr. Speaker, when the Immigration Office is issuing this permit, they normally will give you a period of time which is stated in your passport. So maybe he wants us to qualify -- that if your residence permit is for a period of up to one year, then you must belong to the category of people who should be captured by this register. I think that we should support his amendment and qualify it with some time-limit as to which category of them are required to be registered.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Some
minimum time-frame.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, shall
we defer this one? We will want to defer it for some consultations.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
All right,
hon. Chairman of the Committee, in view of the observations, we can stand it down so that you make further consultations together with the draftsperson.
Amendment deferred.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Clause 7, item (x) - I think it is jointly proposed
by the Chairman of the Committee and hon. Iddrisu. Chairman, you may move the amendment there.
Mr. Armah 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 7, subclauses (1), (2), (3), (4c) and (5), delete “Executive Secretary” and insert “Authority” and wherever the expression the “Executive Secretary” appears, substitute “Authority” as appropriate. That is quite consequential.
Mr. Armah 2:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 7, subclauses (1), (2), (3), (4c) and (5), delete “Executive Secretary” and insert “Authority” and wherever the expression the “Executive Secretary” appears, substitute “Authority” as appropriate. That is quite consequential.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to support the amendment and further plead with you to direct the drafts people to be mindful that it may in some instances be appropriate that we use the “Executive Secretary” while in other instances, it has to be the “Authority”. So as much as we do this, consequently, they should take care of it. Where the “Executive Secretary” fits, it should be maintained; I support the amendment.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Yes, of course, because of previous agreed- to amendments, there are some con- sequential amendments but it should not be blanket - It should be looked at properly to see whether it is appropriate to have “Authority” in place of “Executive Secretary”. So I hope the draftsperson is nearby.
Mr. Armah 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 7, subclause (2), at end delete “only”.
It would then read -
“Despite subsection (1), a foreign national who has been resident in this country for a continuous period of six years is eligible to apply to the Executive Secretary for the purpose of mass registration.”
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Hon. Chairman of the Committee, indicate why “only” there is a problem.
Mr. Armah 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the thinking
is that, even after the mass registration, it might be necessary to continue to do some of these registrations as and when they come. So that if we limit the registration of foreign nationals to only the mass registration, then at the end of the mass registration, it might become a little problematic registering them. So we thought we could just drop the word “only”, and let the clause stay.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I support the amendment. Indeed, at the beginning of this Bill, we were told that this part is restricted to mass registration. So if that is true, why would we qualify it with “only”? We have already said that this part is applicable only to the purpose of mass registration. So it is elegant to delete the word “only” and for the second reason that the Chairman of the Committee has adduced.
Mr. Chireh 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that the mass registration is a one-off activity. Unless we are saying that if we leave out the “only”, it would mean that it is impossible for foreigners who have stayed for more than six years to be registered under this Act then I agree entirely with the amendment. But if the purpose was just that all those who attain six years and above at that particular date, should be mass-registered, it should be specific.
So I think that if it is to allow for those who have not yet reached the six years and above and when they reach it, it would be difficult to register them, and we are removing it, then it is okay.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Well, the thing says a period of six years.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I support the amendment. Clause 7 is for registration. Clause 7 (1) has one kind of registration and it reads as follows:
“The following individuals who are at the age of six years and above
are eligible to be registered under this Act.”
There is a list.
Subclause (2) reads: “Despite . . .” That means that apart from clause 7 (1), these other persons can also be registered in a mass registration. Having distinguished between the two, that is, having created one class of people who can be registered under clause 7 (1), the only other type of registration is the mass registration and so the word “only” is redundant.
Those who can register only under mass registration are disqualified from registration under clause 7 (1). And so the word “only” is tautologous; it is irrelevant; it is superfluous. And that is why the amendment is being proposed.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clauses 8 and 9 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 10 - Persons with disability.
Mr. Armah 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 10, line (2), delete “assist” and insert “offer appropriate assistance to”.
So the new clause would read as follows:
“Where a person with a disability appears for recording of personal information in the Register, the registration officer concerned shall offer appropriate assistance to the individual throughout the registration process.”
This is to categorically impose a duty
on the registration officers to offer the appropriate assistance, not just assist because they are normally expected to assist everybody to register. But people with disability would have special assistance as appropriate to their disability. So that is the new amendment we are proposing.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Hon. Chairman of the Committee, can you justify how the “offer appropriate . . .” makes it more mandatory than “shall assist”?
Mr. Chireh 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we are talking about people with disability. But everybody who goes to register is given assistance. That is why we are adding the following words: “to be given appropriate assistance” because they have difficulties. But anybody who goes to register goes there and he is assisted. Everybody is supposed to be assisted. So if we leave it as that, it does not qualify the special need of that group. That is why we are saying that.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 2:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, ideally, I should have allowed you to proceed because I strongly support this amendment. Since the passage of the Disability Act, we must be seen to be sensitive to the needs of disabled persons, and if we allow the clause as it stands now, it just says that the individual shall be offered assistance. It is to every individual. In any case, any person appearing for the purpose of registration would be assisted. But we are saying that let us say that appropriate assistance is given on the basis of the circumstances of the people.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 10 as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 3 p.m.


Clause 11 - Verification of particulars.
Mr. Armah 3 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg
to move, clause 11, subclause (1), paragraph (a), line 1, insert “applicant” after “individual” and delete “correctness” and insert “accuracy”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Clause 11 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 3 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the mood of the House is that we should adjourn.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
I think hon. Members have endured sufficiently for the day so the House stands adjourned.
ADJOURNMENT 3 p.m.