Debates of 14 Jul 2009

MR. FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:20 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:20 a.m.

Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Hon Members, Correction of Votes and Proceedings of 13th July 2009. [No correction was made.]
The Votes and Proceedings of Monday, 13th July, 2009 is adopted as the true record of proceedings.

The Official Report of Friday, 10th July, 2009 is adopted as the true record of proceedings.

Hon Members, Question time. Question number 82 - Yes, Hon Member for Takoradi?
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:20 a.m.

MINISTRY OF INFORMATION 10:20 a.m.

Minister for Information (Mrs. Sabah Zita Okaikoi) 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the sports desk of Ghana Broadcasting Corporation (GBC) officially wrote to the Ghana Football Association (GFA) seeking for the rights to produce and telecast all the 36 matches of the 2008/2009 League Season.
At the time the proposal was forwarded to the GFA, it was only GBC that had put in a bid for the rights to the Premier League.
However, an official of the GFA was heard saying on one of the local radio stations in Accra that the GFA had not received any bid from any television station in the country. The head of GBC TV Sports Desk called into the programme to challenge that official of the GFA and stated that GBC had put in a bid. Before GBC could get a response from the GFA, it appeared in the newspapers that the broadcasting rights of the Premier League had been sold to Gateway Broadcasting System (GBS) for three years.
GBC discussed the issue of co- production and telecast with GBS which was then hiring the services of GBC in the production of the Ghana Premier League. GBC proposed to GBS in return for the telecast of live and delayed matches with highlights on their sports programmes. GBS agreed to the proposal but unfortunately, not long after, GBS got liquidated.
Mr. Speaker, GBC went back to the GFA with a new proposal to continue from where GBS had left off. GBC wanted to produce all the matches for the GFA to sell to other television stations. In return, GBC will telecast two live matches, two delayed matches and highlights in a week. This was a joint proposal GBC made with TV3 and Multi TV (a new TV station) so that more people could have the opportunity to watch the Premier League.
GBC never had any feedback from the
GFA until GBC read from the newspapers that OMP (an associate of Metro TV) had won the bid for the Glo Permier League.
The GFA's contract with OMP (Metro TV), we are told, will end after the 2010/11 Premier League. GBC will be able to show the Permier League during the 2011/12 League Season.
However, if OMP has not made any financial payments to GFA for the 2009/10 League Season, GFA may reconsider the relationship with OMP (Metro TV) and allow GBC which has nationwide coverage to show the matches on its network. GBC will therefore be prepared to show the matches any time GFA offers them the opportunity to do so.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, from the explanation, it seems that anytime GBC bids for the matches, there is a problem and then it is advertised in the newspapers. Is the Hon Minister telling us that the GFA's bidding process is not transparent? Is that what she is trying to say from what she has just told the House? [Interruptions.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Order! Hon Member, can you rephrase your question?
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, all that I am saying is that if you look at the Answer she has given, she says and Mr. Speaker, with your permission, I beg to quote:
“The head of GBC TV Sports Desk called into the programme to challenge that official of the GFA and stated that GBC had put in a bid. Before GBC could get a response
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Member, I will give you the chance to rephrase because it appears what you are asking about whether it is not transparent and all those things are as if you are soliciting the opinion of the Hon Minister. But it is a very relevant point because in fact, the beginning or foundation is in the Answer. So I will give you another chance to rephrase your question.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will like to know whether the Hon Minister is telling the House that there are some inconsistencies in the bidding process, that is why they are not getting the award to telecast the Premier League.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Minister --
Mrs. Okaikoi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, they have not stated their inconsistencies and GFA is not under the Ministry of Information, so
I would not know. This happened during their regime.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in her other paragraph, paragraph 7, that is the next page, it states:
“The GFA's contract with OMP (Metro TV), we are told, will end after the 2010/11 Premier League. GBC will be able to show the Premier League during the 2011/12 League Season.”
Based on what the Hon Minister had said in the earlier paragraphs, what effort is GBC making to ensure that this actually comes to pass?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Minister.
Mrs. Okaikoi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I checked with GFA and they said OMP had the first half season and they bade for two other seasons and so since the time is not due yet, we would wait for their contract to lapse and then we would put in our contract.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is a public fact that GBC owns 50 per cent of Metro TV. What is the Ministry going to do or the Ministry doing to help Metro TV cover nationwide?
Mr. A. S. K. Bagbin 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he started by saying that it is a public fact that GBC owns 50 per cent of Metro TV. I do not even know that. I do not know that it is a public fact and he is premising his question on his opinion that it is a public fact. [Interruption.] I am supposed to know. “Supposed to” is not a fact. So I do not think that it is proper for the Hon Minister to answer this question and I think that he has to rephrase his question.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Majority Leader, assuming it is true that GBC owns a certain percentage of Metro TV, what would you say? Not necessarily
50 per cent but a certain percentage in Metro TV --
Mr. Bagbin 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that will be a different issue altogether but he is being specific. If he says that GBC has an interest, I am not talking about whether it is false or true. That is not the issue I am raising; I am not talking about that. If GBC has an interest in Metro TV and he is raising the issue on that, yes, he can go on but to specifically state 50 per cent and say it is a public fact, which is not; it is not public.
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, with respect to the Hon Majority Leader, I do not know the basis for this contention. An Hon Member makes a statement of fact; he is not in a position to dispute it and yet he says that it is an expression of opinion. How can that be? Mr. Speaker, this is really an abuse of the process of the House, because he is not disputing what he has said. If he is disputing it, it is another matter al- together -- so how can he then proceed, not challenging it and saying that it is a matter of opinion? I cannot find space for this argument -- [Interruption.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Minority Leader, there is a point - you are all right. The point is that he is saying that, he said it is a public fact, but he does not know. [Interruption.] Hon Member, are you sure it is 50 per cent?
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, it is 50 per cent.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Are you sure?
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Are you
sure?
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Oh yes, I am very sure, Mr. Speaker. He should go and find out. If he wants me to rephrase the
question, I will.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
I will take only the last point from you and then I will proceed.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
If he wants me to rephrase the question, I will.
Mr. E.T. Mensah 10:30 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I come under Order 67(1) (h) and with your permission, I beg to quote:
“ a Question shall not be asked the answer to which is readily available in official publications.”
So if he knows it as a fact, then he should not put it to the Hon Minister.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Members, let us make progress. That fact is only said to lay foundation for his supplementary question. Please, ask your main question and avoid areas of controversy.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Hon Minister that since GBC is a shareholder in Metro TV, what is the Ministry doing to support GBC to go nationwide so that the Premier League can be viewed by most rural people?
Mr. Bagbin 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the main Question is this, and Mr. Speaker, with your permission, I beg to quote:
“To ask the Minister for Information when Ghanaians would be able to watch the Premier League on Ghana Television (GTV) since the other networks did not cover the hinterlands/most rural areas.”
That is the main Question.

Now, his supplementary question. “What is Ghana Broadcasting Corporation (GBC) doing as a shareholder to help Metro TV?” That is completely outside the

The shouting will not turn it into a supplementary question. [Interruption.] It is not, because now he is introducing Metro TV; “what GBC will do to assist Metro TV?” That is a substantive Question, it is not supplementary. It is there. If you look at Standing Orders 67(1)(g) and 69, it is very clear.

If it is supplementary, it must be supplementary of the original Question, but this one is a substantive Question on its own; it is not talking about GBC and what GBC is doing to telecast the football matches by itself. He is now talking about GBC's interest in Metro TV and what GBC is now doing to assist Metro TV to telecast. That is a substantive Question.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon Majority Leader, if from the Answer, Metro TV was brought in and it is a fact that there is some share -- GBC holds some shares in Metro TV; that one, I know as a fact but I am not sure of the percentage. So given that relationship between them, is it not relevant? Hon Majority Leader, I rule that the Hon Minister answers the question. [Hear! Hear!]
Mrs. Okaikoi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the right to the League was purchased by Optimum Media Prime (OMP), it is not Metro TV, it is a different entity although; they are affiliate of Metro TV.
But as to the question asked by the Hon Member, I need notice because it is not part of the Question.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the first paragraph of the
Minister's Answers says 10:40 a.m.
“The spor ts desk of Ghana Broadcasting Corporation (GBC) officially wrote to the Ghana Football Association (GFA) seeking for the rights to produce and telecast all the 36 matches of the 2008/2009
Mr. Bagbin 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he is debating the Hon Minister by saying “by what stretch of imagination?” [Interruptions.] He is debating the Hon Minister. Yes, he is debating; the Hon Member should just ask a simple question. Looking at his mathematics and the numbers, he should use that data to ask a simple question.
But he should not say “by what stretch of imagination?” -- he is debating her. [Interruptions.] Why? You do not argue with your Hon Minister and at the end of the day then you ask “by what stretch of imagination?” She is not imagining, he should draw her attention to the fact that her data is wrong, simple. She is not imagining, she is stating facts and if the facts are wrong, he should say so.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon Minority Leader, reframe the question and ask.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we are indeed, witnessing strange gymnastics from the Hon Majority Leader these days. Mr. Speaker, if a question is asked “by what stretch of imagination . . .”, is that debate? Mr. Speaker, I was just bringing out facts, arithmetical facts, that there are 16 clubs in the Premier League,
each of the clubs playing 30 matches in all - 16 clubs, each of them to play 30 matches. That comes to 480 matches. It is a statement of fact.
Mr. Speaker, we have 36 matches and she says all of them, all the league matches, the number is 36. How does she reconcile the 36 with what ought to be?
Mr. E. T. Mensah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I come under Order 68 (5) and (6) and with your permission, I quote:
“No Member shall address the House upon any Question, nor in asking the Question shall any argument or opinion be offered.
When any Question has been asked and answered no debate on it shall be permitted.”
The Hon Minority Leader argued from the beginning and debated towards the end, expressing opinions, talking about number of teams; that we have a number of matches that have to be played. The information is that he knows it, and these are factual things. I can even come under Order 69 (2) towards the end.
Mr. Speaker, Order 69 (2), the last three lines and with your permission, I quote 10:40 a.m.
“ . . . a supplementary Question must not be used to introduce matter not included in the Original Question.”

So Mr. Speaker, I urge you to rule out the Minority Leader's question.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon
years -- it spans two years, so it is 2008/2009. It cannot be a mistake, it is just one league season. The question is that there are so many league clubs, that much, I believe you know. The Hon Minister knows that they play two rounds of matches. That one, I guess, rudimentary as you are in football, you know that. So the question is that, the 36 matches, if you are saying that it is a mistake, it will be excusable. But it certainly cannot be all the matches. Would you accept that?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
I take it
more as a comment than a question.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you
look at the last paragraph of the Minister's Answer, she says:
“However, if OMP has not made any financial payments to GFA for the 2009/10 League Season, GFA may reconsider the relationship with
OMP. . . ”
Mr. Speaker, I think this Question did not go to the Hon Minister on a certificate of emergency. This is not an urgent Question, so she had all the time at her disposal to get us the relevant information to this Question. And she now tells us that “if”, knowing very well that OMP has a contract with GFA up to 2010 and 2011, she comes to this House to tell this august House that “if” -- [Inter-ruptions] -- to speculate, “if OMP has not made any financial payments to GFA”, we want the Hon Minister to come here with all the facts and not to come with half-baked Answers. [Interruptions.]
Now my question is, in view of this, as the Hon Minister for Information, what is she going to do to ensure that people in rural areas and other places could have access to the live telecast of football matches for the year 2009/10? [Interruptions.] We are not talking about 8 years matter, we are talking about a current matter. For the 2009/10 League,
Members, the truth of the matter is that the problem with the question is more with regard to the mathematics that he has brought into it. To be very honest with you, I have been doing my own calculation here and I am running into difficulties, so I can understand the foundation of the question. My advisors are also running into difficulties with the mathematics. So, is it possible for you to ask your question without going into the mathematics so that we move on?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, with respect, I have not been mathematical about anything; these are issues of simple arithmetic and not mathematics.
But Mr. Speaker, the question to the Hon Minister is, there are 16 Premier League Clubs, each of them playing two rounds of matches, that is also a fact. And Mr. Speaker, how does she arrive at 36 matches - that they are going to telecast all the 36 matches? How did she arrive at that?
Mrs. Okaikoi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am not
very knowledgeable in football matches. I started watching the World Cup in 2006 - so I am learning -- [Interruptions.] However, the mistake “36 matches”, the follow-up says that “of the 2008/2009 League Season”. So presumably, there is a mistake with the 36. The follow-up, 2008/2009 League Season says that we were trying to bid for that year's league season.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:50 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, the lean season traverses two
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
No, I
will not allow that question because -- [Interruptions] -- No, because there is a certain financial commitment for the period you are talking about. If you are asking “after the expiration of the contract, what would be done”, and you yourself said the contract would end in 20l2. So if you are asking what would happen after that relationship with OMP is ended, then that is the -- so ask another question.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do
not intend to engage you in any debate. But I based my question on the premise that the Hon Minister has indicated in the last paragraph that “However, if OMP has not made any financial payments to GFA for the 2009/10 League Season . . . ” and then it continues. And that is why I said that she should not have come to this House with this half-baked Answer -- [Interruptions.] So the question is, in the interim, for the year 2009 and then 2010, what is her Ministry going to do to ensure that people in the rural areas get access to live telecast?
Mr. G. K. Arthur 10:50 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think the statement the Hon Member just made -- [Interruption.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Please,
Hon Members, order! Let us listen to the Hon Member on the floor.
Mr. G. K. Arthur 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
the statement the Hon Member just made is unparliamentary and he must withdraw that --
“The Hon Minister must not come here with this half-baked Answer.”
I think he must withdraw that.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
I have
not called you. Hon Minister?
Mrs. Okaikoi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, at the
time I was filing the Answer, we could not get in touch with the officer-in-charge. However, this morning, I spoke to the GFA's Public Relations Officer (PRO), Mr. Randy Abbey, who said that they had paid for the half season and two other seasons, they had paid in full. So that is currently the situation. The contract has not ended and until the contract ends for GTV or GBC to have the opportunity to bid, we would wait.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Yes, last
question.
Mr. S. M. E. K. Ackah 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
want to find out from the Hon Minister -- when you look or read through the whole of the Answer she has given, there is no doubt there is a transaction between GFA and some of these broadcasting systems with the exception of GBC.
Mr. Ackah 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you looked at the league season, it is covering about 30 weeks -- I think by Sunday, the league should be ending -- [Interruptions.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon
Members, order!
Mr. Ackah 11 a.m.
And 30 weeks between
2008 and 2009, the transaction has gone on, I hope before 2009. And therefore, I am asking, if there is any document involving GFA and for that matter the other broadcasting stations. And if there is any document covering that agreement without GBC being considered, we want to know who are involved and what has happened that that document does not cover GBC. [Interruptions.] How was the contract signed?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
I am not
very clear with that question but if the Hon Minister wants to provide an answer, she may do so. I am not very clear with the question.
Mrs. Okaikoi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, like I
said earlier on, the GFA is not under the Ministry of Information. I do not have documents that GBC -- that the GFA signed in my Ministry. But if he wants them, then I would need notice to request the documents of the GFA and the OMP -- OMP is also not under the Ministry of Information - and provide this to this august House.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Minister, we thank you very much for attending upon the House to answer Questions.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH 11 a.m.

Ms. Boateng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am saddened by a sentence in the Answer the Hon Minister just gave. I beg to quote:
“The Ministry, therefore, has no immediate plans to construct a new hospital at Koforidua.”
Mr. Speaker, the adage says that 11 a.m.
“What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.” [Interruptions.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Members, order! Let us listen to the Hon Member on the floor.
Ms. Boateng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what I said
was that, I am saddened by a sentence in the Answer the Hon Minister gave. I beg to quote:
“The Ministry, therefore, has no immediate plans to construct a new hospital at Koforidua.”
Dr. Yankey 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would
want to ask the Hon Member not to be saddened at all by my Answer because I said there is no immediate plan now. But in the medium- to long-term, there are plans to get some - As a matter fact, it is the goal of the Government to have regional hospitals in every region in this country. But we are saying that for now there is no immediate plan. But in the medium- to long-term, we will certainly try to provide for Koforidua, which is a very important city in Ghana, to have its own regional hospital.
Ms. Boateng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, just to
correct an impression. I was the Presiding Member from 2002 to 2004.
Mr. Speaker, I have learnt that the contract for the rehabilitation in 1998 was from the Spanish Protocol Fund and the quantum of money that was released at that time could have built a complete hospital, but it was used for rehabilitation. And as I speak now, bigger, bigger equipment that were brought in have all broken down and they have not been used for anything.
My question is, why the option for rehabilitation at that time with that quantum of money, and not the building of the main hospital?
Dr. Yankey 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in 1998,
unfortunately, I was not the Minister for

Health. So I would need notice to find out precisely why the money which could have been used to build a new hospital was used to rehabilitate an old one. If the Hon Member is right, I would find out and maybe, at my next appearance, I would inform the House accordingly.
Ms. Boateng 11 a.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Member --
Ms. Boateng 11 a.m.
I am left with one more question.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Member, even though it is supplementary, try and catch my eye before you start speaking.
Hon Member, yes, your last supple- mentary question.
Ms. Boateng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the present hospital was originally built in 1926 and it was to service just the inhabitants of New Juaben District. At that time, the population was around 50,000. As we stand here now, it is now a municipality serving a population of 170,000 inhabitants. Aside that, it is also serving as a referral hospital for 16 district hospitals within the Eastern Region. So, one can tell the extent of pressure that is put on the hospital.
My question is, in the immediate term, what can the Hon Minister do to help the hospital ease this sort of problem on its head, since the facilities there cannot contain the pressure?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Members, let us try and go straight to the questions. You have asked your question. Any Hon Member who wants to ask a question should go straight and ask the question otherwise, I will exercise my discretion.
Dr. Yankey 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the short- term, we are trying to commence the second phase of the rehabilitation of the hospital to really make it befit the status of a regional capital.
At the same time too, we are taking inventory of all equipment in the regional and district hospitals all over the country to make sure that those which can be replaced, would be replaced and those which need to be repaired and serviced, would be done.
So, Koforidua is very key in this exercise and I assure you that in the very short-term, some of these problems would be resolved. But in the long-run, we want to give every region a regional hospital.
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Answer by the Hon Minister, he stated that they want to have a regional hospital. I want to know if there is now a regional hospital at Koforidua.
Dr. Yankey 11:10 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the current hospital in Koforidua is the regional hospital of Koforidua. But we intend to build state-of-the-art hospitals in almost all the regions, as I said, in the medium- to long-term.
Mr. Hackman Owusu-Agyemang 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Hon Minister's Answer, he refers to “phases”. “The first phase of the Koforidua rehabilitation project”. I am aware that there is no phase I, there is no phase II, there is no phase III. Because this business was discussed in this House and at that time Hon Nuamah Donkor was the Minister and he assured us that, the $12 million from the Spanish Fund was to be used for the construction of a facility, and this would be a district
hospital.
In view of this, would the Hon Minister be willing to check on his facts and come properly to the House, because I believe the issue was not an issue of phase I, phase II or phase III. There is not enough space, you cannot expand Koforidua Hospital to any level.
In fact, two square miles of land was acquired for this purpose and Hon Nuamah Donkor who was on their side would testify to that.
So would the Hon Minister be willing to check his facts? There is no phase I. After this, we go to a full-blown regional hospital. That fact eventually, we had to agree with.
I would want to know whether he can check the facts and then inform this House.
Dr. Yankey 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Hon Member of Parliament for the issue that he has raised.
The $12 million cannot give them a regional hospital. I think when the experts checked on the figures and the amount of work to be done, it was decided that the money would be used to rehabilitate the hospital as it stands now and also look for money to build a regional hospital. It costs about $40 million, at least, within that range, to build a regional hospital.
I would check my facts -- I think that might have been the reason why they decided to apply the facility to rehabilitate the hospital rather than building a new one. Even a district hospital would cost about $15 million. So I would check on my facts and then come and confirm to the Honourable House.
Accident and Emergency Centre of Takoradi Hospital (Completion)
Dr. Yankey 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the completion of the accident and emergency centre at the Takoradi Hospital remains a priority of the Ministry of Health, in view of the large number of people expected to be drawn to the area with the discovery and exploitation of oil and gas. The project will therefore be completed as soon as funds are available.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 11:10 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to ask the Hon Minister, how much it will cost to complete the project and where the fund is going to be made available from.
Dr. Yankey 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, how much would be required to complete the project, I do not know, I will confirm. But we are looking for money from different sources and once we get enough for the comple- tion of the accident and emergency centre, we would start work.
Mr. Darko-Mensah 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Hon Minister, what plans the Ministry has in staffing the accident and emergency centre and their training programmes.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
This is not a supplementary. We are not talking about staff, so it is not supplementary.
Mr. G. K. Arthur 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to know from the Hon Minister, what measures have been put in place to currently handle that centre.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Come again.
Mr. G. K. Arthur 11:10 a.m.
My question is, I want to know what immediate measures that have been put in place to handle that centre so that when there is an accident, they can handle it.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
I do not know; I do not think it is supplementary.
Mr. E. Attuquaye Armah 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, may I ask the Hon Minister that in between the years 2000 and 2008, were there any newly built regional hospitals nationwide?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
That is not a supplementary question to the Question.
Mr. Joe Baidoe-Ansah 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, would the Hon Minister confirm that the money that they are looking for would not only be for the accident and emergency centre but improve and increase the capacity of the Takoradi Hospital in general?
Dr. Yankey 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we will finish with the accident and emergency centre of the Takoradi Hospital. As I said, there are plans to upgrade and construct new regional hospitals all over the country.
Nkenkaasu Health Centre (Upgrading)
Q. 116. Mr. Augustine Collins Ntim asked the Minister for Health when the Nkenkaasu Health Centre, which served as the district hospital, would be upgraded to meet the full status of a district hospital.
Dr. Yankey 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Ministry of Health upgraded the Nkenkaasu Health Centre to a district hospital a few years ago and has subsequently stationed doctors and other senior health care professionals
there to provide services to the people.
The Ministry is aware of the need to improve the medical equipment and existing infrastructure of the hospital to serve as a referral hospital for the district. Further upgrading would be done as soon as funds are available.
Mr. Ntim 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Hon
Minister's Answer to the Question, he alluded to the fact that Nkenkaasu Health Centre was upgraded and subsequently stationed with doctors . As I speak today, there is not a medical doctor at Nkenkaasu Health Centre and the situation has persisted for the past six months. How does he reconcile that with the Answer given?
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am not
aware of this situation and I want to assure the Hon Member of Parliament that I will check on this and have it rectified as quickly as possible.
Mr. Ntim 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, would the Hon
Minister consider as a short-term measure, establishing an accident and emergency centre at Nkenkaasu Health Centre in view of the strategic location along the Trans- ECOWAS Highway and in view of the fact that so many accidents occur on that road?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
It is
a very important question but it is not supplementary.
Mr. D. T. Assumeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
want to find out from the Hon Minister whether the plan of the Government to set up district hospitals in all the districts is on course.
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
programme is ongoing.
Mr. Frederick Opare-Ansah 11:20 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, in the Hon Minister's Answer, he indicates that further upgrading would be done as soon as funds are available. May I know from him what efforts his Ministry is making to ensure that funds would be available to enable the remedies being sought under this Question come into play early?
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we at the
Ministry of Health are breaking our back to source as much funds as possible to upgrade this facility and other facilities in the country.
Mental Health Bill
Q. 117. Mr. Kwame Anyimadu- Antwi asked the Minister for Health when the Mental Health Bill would be presented to Parliament.
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Mental Health Bill is a very important one.
The Ministry of Health held a stakeholders meeting on the draft health regulations which included the Mental Health Bill on 29th and 30th of June 2009 at Agona Swedru in the Central Region of Ghana. The issues raised are being put together for fine-tuning of the Bill before submission to Cabinet for consideration and subsequent forwarding to Parliament for further action.
Mr. Anyimadu-Antwi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
if you would agree with me, my Question has not been answered by the Hon Minister. I asked, when will the Mental Health Bill be presented to Parliament? So if he could be given the opportunity to answer the Question. I did not ask of the process. I asked , “when the Bill would be placed before Parliament”. So if he could be specific and give us the time- frame within which the Bill is coming to
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon
Member, that is the Answer he has provided. That is why you have supplementary questions to buttress your point. So ask your supplementary question.
Mr. Anyimadu-Antwi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
I am grateful. I would want the Hon Minister to be specific and tell us the exact time that the Bill will be presented to Parliament.
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I wish I
could say today or tomorrow but since I do not control the Cabinet processes, I have a problem to say tomorrow or two days after tomorrow. I do not want to mislead the Honourable House. So as soon as Cabinet has considered it, I will bring it to the House.
Mr. Anyimadu-Antwi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
may I be privileged to know the issues that were raised at the said fora that the Hon Minister said they are putting together?
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the
Hon Member for asking this question. That shows his interest in the sidles of mental health patients. Issues were raised with respect to the rights of mental patients; their integration with society after they have been discharged and now the trend is not to have a confined locality or place for mental patients. Now, there is this trend whereby we try to have wings in hospitals for mental patients as well so that the integration of the mental patients with the society becomes very easy.
Also, one issue that came up is trying to decentralize the mental health facilities within the country. Within each region, we should have a centre there so that it

becomes easy for families to visit patients, especially when patients are within the regions where they come from. So that, once they also come out of the health facilities, once they have been certified to be healed or cured, then they easily integrate into the society.

So integration, the protection and the rights of mental patients came to the fore and the need to give them the highest health care also came to the fore. All these have been put together and a team is now analyzing it and after that it would be sent to Cabinet to be brought to the House here.
Mr. Opare-Ansah 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is good that the Ministry held the stakeholders meeting to deliberate on this very important Bill. The Minister would agree that a very important group of people who are stakeholders in this, is the mentally challenged people. How were they represented in this stakeholders, meeting?
Dr. Yankey 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was informed that before the Bill was put together, the mentally challenged people were consulted. [Laughter.] There was a stakeholders meeting where there was a lot of consultation with them. But this is information of fact that I can cross-check and confirm and get to the House. But I learnt that all the stakeholders were consulted. The patients, the nurses, the doctors and all these institutions were consulted.
Mr. Hackman Owusu-Agyemang 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is a process to get a Bill of this nature to the House. The Hon Minister said in his Answer that because Cabinet has not decided yet, he is not able to give an intimation and does not want to mislead this House. The question is, where has he reached in the preparation of the Bill?
Has he submitted the Bill, for example,
to Cabinet and for that matter wait for --[Interruption] -- so where he has reached would give an intimation as to how soon we can get it. And I think it is important that he apprises us of his own efforts, where he has got to and then the next process so that we can try and put some time to it. I think the coaching from coach E. T. Mensah -- this Hon Minister is very good so E. T. Mensah does not need to coach him.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Where
he has reached is in the Answer, but Hon Minister, you have --
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, to give some
more comfort to my Hon Friend, I want to assure him that we at the Ministry of Health have almost finished with the fine- tuning and before the end of the month, the Bill would be sent to Cabinet and I believe once Cabinet finishes, then we shall bring it here.

Offinso Municipality Government Hospital (Provision)

Q. 118. Mr. Ben Abdallah Banda asked the Minister for Health when the Ministry would consider providing a government hospital for the Offinso Municipality.
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the current policy of the Ministry of Health is that where there is a mission hospital in a district, the Government of Ghana will support the development of that hospital rather than build another one to compete with it.
The Ministry therefore, will continue to support the St. Patrick's Hospital at Offinso which is a mission hospital to be efficient and effective in meeting the health needs of the municipality as the

district hospital for Offinso South. The Government is paying the salaries of all the doctors and other health professionals in this 154-bed capacity hospital.

There are no immediate plans to provide another hospital for Offinso South in addition to the St. Patrick's Hospital.
Mr. Banda 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is worthy to note that the number of patients that troop to the St. Patrick's Hospital day in, day out, is so astronomical that it is beginning to have very far-reaching effects on the facilities of the hospital.
Now, there is a health centre at a village called Abofour which is part of the municipality. There is also a CHPS centre at a village called Kwagyekrom which has not been operationalized. Will his Ministry consider raising the status of the health centre to a hospital so as to ease the congestion and the inconveniences that have characterized the St. Patrick's Hospital?
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Hon Member for drawing my attention to the problems at the St. Patrick's Hospital. We will verify and make sure that the difficulties being confronted by St. Patrick's Hospital are rectified. If there is the need for us to expand the facilities there, we will do it.
I will also consider the other issues raised but as I said, the Government of Ghana has a policy of providing each district a hospital. But where there is a missionary hospital and it is efficient and delivering health care, we will support it to provide the health needs of the people.
So I thank the Hon Member for the issues he has raised and we will consider them.
Mr. Banda 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Minister's Answer, he did indicate that
the Ministry will continue to provide St. Patrick's Hospital with other assistance so as to make it very effective. But it is worthy to note that the internal roads of the hospital are in very deplorable condition, doctors and nurses are faced with a very critical accommodation problem. What plans does his Ministry have towards alleviating this problem?
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we came to the Ministry to find out that a number of the facilities in the country are in a very bad state, so we are taking an inventory of all the district hospitals and all the health facilities in the country so that we can have a better idea to upgrade them and also provide or replace faulty equipment that exist there now. So as part of the health facilities, so important to this country, we will also make sure that the facilities at the St. Patrick's Hospital are upgraded and all difficulties that they are encountering are also resolved. We would work to solve these problems.
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Answer given by the Hon Minister, he stated that his Ministry does not have any plans of building new hospitals to compete with mission hospitals.
Normally, a district is composed of a minimum of seventy-five thousand people and sometimes the area is so large. Is the Minister saying that when the population of a district is more than that, and the expanse of the district is so large, therefore, they would prefer to concentrate expanding that mission hospital instead of building a new one?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon Minister, I know why the Hon Member is asking that question. [Laughter.]
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.


is a very valid point. Where it becomes necessary because of an increase in population and because of other activities, in a given location, and the facilities and the space at a given missionary hospital are not adequate; the Ministry will consider building another facility to support the inhabitants of that particular area and to give them the required health care.

That is the general policy but where there is the need to deviate, technical factors will be taken into account to ensure that a second facility comes to comple- ment, and not to compete with the existing facility.

Dormaa East District Hospital (Provision)

Q. 119. Mr. Yaw Ntow-Ababio asked the Minister for Health when a district hospital would be provided for Dormaa East District.
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, Brong Ahafo Region has 22 districts of which five -- are without district hospitals including Dormaa East. However, these districts have health centres that are managed by competent and qualified staff.
Dormaa East, though rural, is con- veniently situated between Dormaa Ahenkro and Berekum District Hospitals. It has a good road network that facilitates the easy referral of patients who need hospital care to any of these district hospitals.
The Regional Health Management Team is taking steps to strengthen these health centres to appreciable standards to cope with the health needs of the districts until funds are available to provide them with district hospitals.
Mr. Ntow-Ababio 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
would like the Hon Minister to look at his Answer, page 7, line 3, “. . . health
centres are managed by competent and qualified staff”. I believe that, so far as I represent the people of Dormaa East, the Hon Minister will agree with me that I stay and live in Dormaa East and that much, I go there regularly than his medical team in Sunyani.
Will the Minister agree with me that as at today, this morning, in Dormaa East, we have two health centres and we do not have any competent nurse in any of the health centres? Will the Minister agree that as at today, this morning, before I asked this Question, that I have communicated back and that there are no qualified nurses in those centres?
Dr. Yankey 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Hon Member for drawing my attention to this but I am confused because in his question, he says there are no competent nurses and also said trained nurses. So I do not know whether it is trained or competent -- [Interruption] -- sorry, qualified or competent --
Mr. Ntow-Ababio 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, can
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Wait!
Wait!
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon
Member, take your time. Let the Hon Minister take his seat, then, I will call you to ask your supplementary question. Yes, Hon Member.
Mr. Ntow-Ababio 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was not rushing, but it was rather the Hon Minister who was inviting me, that is why I was saying that -- [Interruption] -- but to the more substantive point.
Mr. Speaker, what I am saying is that, I was referring to his Answer, when he said the hospitals are managed by competent and qualified staff, but I am telling him that, as at this morning, 30 minutes ago, there is no qualified, competent staff in the two health centres in my district. Would the Hon Minister agree to that?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Minister, are you aware that there are no competent and qualified -- [Inter- ruption.]
Dr. Yankey 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, this is some
information that I am getting from the Hon Member, and I will verify. So far as I am concerned, all the health workers we send to the health facilities are qualified and competent. But it is information he is giving me, and I promise him, I will verify and take the appropriate action.
Mr. Ntow-Ababio 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the Hon Minister because he said he will investigate this particular matter. It is not an allegation, but I am telling him as a matter of fact.
Mr. Speaker, in the answers that the Hon Minister has provided so far to all the medical questions, he is referring to the availability of funds. And that there are no funds, and I heard him right here on the
floor of the House, answering to an Hon Member, that they are making vigorous efforts to source funding.
Would the Hon Minister assure the people of Dormaa East that, if they are able to locate a financier to build a medical hospital, the Hon Minister, and for that matter, the Government would support that cause?
Dr. Yankey 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to assure the Hon Member, that when funds are duly located, we will support Dormaa East health facilities. It is the plan of Government that, for every community with 500 people, we provide them with health facility -- [Interruption] -- Five hundred, not 5,000 people. So we are working very hard to secure as much funds as possible because, the health of the people is the wealth of the nation. [Hear! Hear!]
So we are working, breaking our backs to ensure that funds are available to provide these facilities, and we will do it, as soon as funds are available.
Mr. Speaker, thank you.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Member, your last supplementary.
Mr. Ntow-Ababio 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, and it is the last, but the assurance did not come.
Mr. Speaker, I am asking the Hon Minister to assure this august House, that, if the people of Dormaa East get a financier who is prepared to put up a hospital, would the Government support that cause? That is what I want to know from him, to give me the assurance.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Minister, he wants assurance from you.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Members, I will take one question each from both sides, and close the chapter on Question time. So, Hon Member --
Mr. David Tetteh Assumeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like the Hon Minister to set the records straight. I want to know from him whether there are or there is any nurse at all at the hospital concerned.
Dr. Yankey 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would find out. I would verify.
Mr. Kwaku Agyeman-Manu 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am very much aware that the Hon Minister knows that the mission hospitals have more expensive charges and fees than government hospitals, the Hon Minister knows, so that is not my question.
Mr. Speaker, my question is -- he is making reference to the hospital at
Dormaa Ahenkro, that is a mission hospital. And the hospital in Berekum, that is also a mission hospital. [Inter-ruption.] My question is, now that we all know, and he has told this country that government's policy is to support districts with mission hospitals by not providing government hospitals in addition to them, what effort will he make to bring fees and charges of the mission hospitals at par with those in the government hospitals?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Member, you have now moved into fees and charges and it is not a supplementary question.
Hon Minister, we thank you very much for attending upon the House to answer Questions. You are discharged.

Hon Members, I need guidance from

the Leadership of the House. Do we defer item 5 in the meantime, and move to item 6?
Mr. J. T. Akologu 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes, that was decided on, because we are still sorting out some issues on the Papers to be laid. So we will take item 6 in the meantime -- Item 6.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Deputy Majority Leader, what about item 5 (b)?Hon Member, do we lay all the Papers at the same time?
Mr. Akologu 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought that was the agreement we reached.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Very well. Hon Minority Leader.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have nothing against it. Mr. Speaker, I had some indications -- when
we came the leadership of the Finance Committee needed to be at another meeting. As we speak, they are not even in the Chamber. I thought that maybe, he being a member of the Finance Committee, could as well lay the Paper on behalf of the Committee. But whatever, if we have to wait until we get to the tail end and do the laying, it is still within time. So I do not have any strong opinion against that.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Deputy Majority Leader, can we lay 5(b)?
Mr. Akologu 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the brief I got was that, it would be better we take all of them together. Because, they are just sorting out one or two items on the 5 (a). It will be neater to take them together.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Very well. Item 6 -- Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee.
MOTIONS 11:50 a.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Mr. Albert Kan-Dapaah) 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor- General on the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils for the period 2001- 2004.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to present your Committee's Report.
1.0 Introduction
Chairman of the Committee (Mr. Albert Kan-Dapaah) 11:50 a.m.
The Report of the AuditorGeneral on the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils was laid in the House on Wednesday, 27th May 2009 and referred to the Committee for consideration and report, in accordance with Order 165 (2) of the Standing Orders of the House.
To consider the above Report, the Committee met representatives of the Auditor-General. The Committee is grateful to these officials for their input. 2.0 Reference
The following were used as reference documents during the Committee's deliberations:
i. The 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Ghana
ii. The Standing Orders of the House
iii. The Audit Service Act, 2000
iv. The Financial Administration Act, 2003, Act 654
3.0 Purpose of the Audit
The purpose of the audit was to ascertain whether the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and the traditional councils during the period:
i. kept proper books of accounts.
ii. accounted fully for all public monies.
iii. expended monies in line with the purposes for which they were appropriated.
iv. undertook programmes and

activities with due regard to economy, efficiency and effective- ness in relation to the resources utilized and results achieved among others.

The audit was also to ascertain the extent of compliance with applicable laws and regulations including the Chieftaincy Act 1971, Act 370, the Financial Administration Act 2003, Act 654, the Public Procurement Act 2003, Act 663 and the Financial Instructions for the Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils. 4.0 Objectives and Scope of the Report

The aim of the Committee's Report is to present to the House the outcome of its examination of the Report of the Auditor- General on the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils for the period 2001-2004.

It is also to report to the House:

i. whether measures have been instituted to address the weaknesses observed by the Auditor-General during the audit in order to prevent their re-occurrence, and

ii. the extent of implementation of the recommendations made by the Auditor-General against specific individuals by the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils in line with section 30(2) of the Audit Service Act, 2000.

The Report also seeks to bring to the attention of the House issues that were not adequately addressed by the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and the traditional councils and other matters which in the Committee's opinion ought

to engage the attention of the House.

5.0 Findings and Recommendations

5.1 State of the Accounts

The audit revealed that out of 184 Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils, only 55 (30 per cent) prepared their annual financial statements and submitted them for audit within the audit period.

The situation was in violation of the Financial Administration Regulations which required the 184 Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils to submit for external audit their financial statements not later than 31st March following the end of the financial year to which the accounts related.

The Committee was informed that by 31st March, 2005 some of the Houses of Chiefs and the traditional councils were in arrears ranging from one (1) year to twenty-four (24) years. As a result of the absence of the financial statements, the Audit Service was constrained to limit its audit to day-to-day transactions and not to year end figures.

The Auditor-General informed the Committee that during the audit, he observed that the default in the preparation and submission of the financial statements for audit were due to a number of factors including --

chieftaincy disputes

civil strife

weak administrative capacities; and

weak accounting capacities.

Recommendations
Chairman of the Committee (Mr. Albert Kan-Dapaah) 11:50 a.m.


The Committee wishes to reiterate the Auditor-General's recommendations and state that the Minister responsible for Chieftaincy and Culture should take a critical look at the operations of the Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils and make sure that they conform and adhere to the necessary regulations in order to make them more effective and efficient.

The Committee further recommends that the Minister for Chieftaincy and Culture should liaise with the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning to get the Controller and Accountant- General's Department to provide the Houses of Chiefs and Councils with the requisite capacities to keep proper records and accounts so that annual financial statements are submitted on time.

5.2 Unsubstantiated Payments Amounting to ¢42.5 million

The Committee noted that a sum of forty-two million, five hundred thousand cedis (¢42.5 million) was paid to a number of family clans under the Kpone Traditional Council.

Contrary to section 187 (3) of the Financial Instruments of the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils, these payment vouchers were processed and paid without the relevant details including the names of beneficiaries.

The Committee noted that when this was brought to the attention of management, the necessary steps were taken to rectify the error. Copies of the relevant documents were submitted to the Committee for verification.

Recommendation

The Committee recommends that management should endeavour to abide by

the regulations and financial Instruments of the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and the traditional councils.

5.3 Cashbook Balance -- ¢59.6 Million (Upper West Regional House of Chiefs)

The Cashbook of the Upper West Regional House of Chiefs revealed a cash balance of ¢59,628,941 as at 14th May 2004. However, the amount could not be produced as requested by the auditors for a cash count.

The Officials from the Audit Service informed the Committee that the then Registrar (Mr. Otchere Boateng) explained that the said amount had been used to meet expenses incurred at the Adae Kese Festival in Kumasi. This could not be substantiated as the Registrar could not support his claim with the necessary authorization, payment vouchers and other relevant documentation.

The Auditor-General further informed the Committee that he recommended the Chieftaincy Secretariat to pursue the recovery of the cash balance from the Registrar of the Upper West Regional House of Chiefs during the period. A response from the Ministry of Chieftaincy and Culture revealed that the Registrar is on retirement. He has however, accepted to refund the money. Unfortunately, as at now, no amount has been paid.

Recommendation

The Committee recommends that the Minister for Chieftaincy and Culture should pursue the recovery of the amount from the retired Registrar and notify the Committee accordingly. The Committee urges the Minister to use the services of the police where necessary.
Mr. John Tia Akologu (NDC -- Talensi) noon
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Mr. Speaker, in doing so, I want to take note of the extent to which the re- commendations of this Committee will go to ensure that moneys lost to the State are recovered. Also that the right thing is done. I am saying this because in previous Reports, the Committee always just recommended that the necessary steps should be taken.
But this time round, it has gone further to request the authorities to take or request the assistance of the police. I know that this recommendation to seek the assistance of the police will mean that if there are criminal acts involved, the necessary action will be taken. It will no longer be just that the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has made its recommendation and nothing has been done. To that extent, I think the Committee is making the work of this House really effective.
Mr. Speaker, another area of concern to me is that out of 184 of National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils, only 55 of them submitted their accounts for auditing, and what we are doing now is dealing with those 55 institutions, trying to correct them and we are forgetting about the remaining 134. What happens to them? That is the area the Committee, perhaps, did not look at and I want to suggest that these defaulting 134 institutions should be brought to book.
In doing so, I want to suggest that the Registrars and Accountants of these defaulting institutions should forfeit their salaries forthwith until they submit their accounts for auditing by the Auditor- General.
As the Chairman put it, it is only in line with the Financial Administration Regulations and if you are not complying, there must be sanctions and I think that this suggestion, if it is taken, will yield better results.
Mr. Speaker, additionally, we noted that one of the difficulties which made some of the institutions not to submit their accounts for verification was that they did not either have accounts at all or they were not, as was put here, competent enough to submit their accounts for auditing.
In that direction, I think that the Controller and Accountant-General should sit up, look into these institutions and see what the real problem is and try to remedy it. If it is the lack of personnel, then it should seek the permission of the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and then recruit more. I know that many students are out there with that requisite knowledge but there are no jobs for them.
Secondly, if it is the problem of capacity building -- this field is dynamic, you have to continue improving upon your knowledge in this accounting field -- then
Mr. Kwaku Agyeman-Manu (NPP - Dormaa West) noon
Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion. In doing so, I will just want all of us Hon Members of the House to attest to the fact that we go to our chiefs, we know the palaces -- I do not think we can count very many of us here whose chiefs have palaces that have established secretariats or offices which have accountants in them.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
Hon Member, are you rising on a point of order?
Mr. Benito Owusu-Bio noon
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Nkawie palace has an accountant there. So the Hon Member is misleading the whole House. So he has to note that.
Mr. First Deputy speaker noon
Nkawie palace has an accountant?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
Is it a point of order?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
We are
talking about accountants.
Nii Tackie-Kome: Mr. Speaker, we have accounts clerks attached to the traditional councils. I know the accounts clerk at the Ga Traditional Council. So it is not correct to say that there are no accounts clerks.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
The Hon Member did not say that there are no accountants any where at all. What he is saying is that very few of them exist; some of them do not have. That is the point he is making.
Hon Member continue.
Mr. Agyeman-Manu noon
Hon Speaker, I have just started developing my synopsis for my argument and I was caught in the air by my close Friend here, when I actually had not landed. [Laughter.]
Mr. Speaker, what I was trying to say was that there is an indication that quite a number of our traditional councils and houses of chiefs do not have accounts, and that explains why quite a large number of them are not submitting their
books of accounts for auditing. What I wanted actually to say is that, we sit here as an institution, we approve budgetary allocations, moneys go and they go into the hands of the requisite people to do the accounting for us. And one of the recommendations was that the Controller and Accountant-General should sit up and try to ensure that we have these people in such places to do the accounting for us.
But Mr. Speaker, I am aware that for some time now, the Controller's Office has not even had the establishment warrant or whatever they call it to even recruit our young people who have been trained in the tertiary institutions to take up some of these positions.
So if we as a House are recommending that we should find accountants for them, we should build capacity, then I will want to add that while we are asking for that, we also ask the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and Government to also try to make budgetary allocations to support these institutions such that the reports that we are looking for will be easily available.
Thank you very much.
Minister for Communications (Mr. Haruna Iddrisu) 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the motion on the floor for the approval of the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor-General on the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs.
Mr. Speaker, in doing so, may I refer you to paragraph 30 of your Committee's Report -- “The purpose of the audit was to ascertain whether the National and Regional Houses of Chiefs and the traditional councils during the period kept proper books of accounts, accounted fully for all public moneys and expended moneys in line with the purpose for which
they were appropriated”. Mr. Speaker, the findings of the
Committee only lead to one irresistible conclusion, that proper books of accounts are not kept by these traditional houses and moneys appropriated for them have not been properly accounted for. So it is satisfying that the recommendation of the Committee as captured in paragraph 6 of the Committee's conclusion, which I very much associate myself with, is to express dissatisfaction with the state of accounts of our National House of Chiefs.

Mr. Speaker, before I proceed with my
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 12:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to let the House and my Hon Friend know that it is still the policy of the Committee to hold as many public sittings as possible but not all sittings can be in public. Where there are no controversial issues, we do not find it necessary to have a public sitting. This particular one, the Committee had decided that we would do without a public sitting. Most of the subsequent ones will be in public.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Hon Chairman, is it controversy that is going to determine whether the sittings are in public or not? We want to be very clear as to the guidelines issued by the Committee on holding public sittings. People are listening to us.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, there are a number of reports that come to this
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Hon Minister, kindly continue.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, as much as I agree with the Hon Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, the significance in a public sitting of that particular Committee is not only for purposes of enhancing transparency and accounta- bility, it also contributes significantly in the Ghanaian public's appreciation the work -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Joseph Osei-Owusu 12:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the Hon Member who last spoke is discussing the appropriateness or otherwise of public sittings. What is on the floor is the Report. May I indicate that he is misleading the House by diverting to discuss modes of discussing the Auditor-General's Report?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am just strongly recommending that the Committee should encourage public sittings in its work. It enhances the image of this august House. It deepens transparency and accountability and whether controversial or non-controversial, it is important that the Ghanaian public appreciates how public resources are used.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 12:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important for the
records to get it straight that there has not been any change in the existing practice of conducting public hearings but as in the past, it is not all the Reports from the Auditor-General that were the subject of public hearing.
I can assure the Hon Member that we have lined up a number of public hearings during the holidays. So it is a practice that already exists and there has been no departure from that practice which did so much good to the House during the last Parliament.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, that practice is to be encouraged. I thank the Hon Chairman for that information but we should encourage as more public sittings as possible whether the matter is controversial or not. In so long as it behoves the use and account of public money, it is significant.
Mr. Speaker, what is significant again in the Committee's Report and my major concern is that given that our traditional rulers are not holding themselves accountable -- I am aware that Govern- ment is currently looking at a petition from queenmothers and Government is considering even making some allowances payable to them.
We cannot be taking such a giant step when we are not assured that we can hold them accountable by their books that they keep and I think that it is important that the Hon Minister for Chieftaincy will take all the directives given more seriously and ensure that all the recommendations are implemented to the letter.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I was not really minded to make an intervention but I believe that we must set the records straight.
Mr. Speaker, the point has been made by the Hon Member in respect of having public hearings of the Public Accounts Committee. I believe that as he said, it is important that we encourage the practice that started just about last year. It had not been the practice or convention in this House to have public hearings of the Public Accounts Committee.
Indeed, as per our Standing Orders, it is only the Appointments Committee that can have public hearings, but we do have consideration of the pivotal matter relating to the work of Parliament, that is, oversighting the Executive, and for that reason Leadership decided to grant space for the Public Accounts Committee to have public hearings.
We all realised that a lot of good came out of it, for which reason as the Hon Member said, it is important that we encourage that and deepen what has already been started. But even there, last year when they had the sittings there were some that they did not have public hearings for.
However, we may come to some consideration or some conclusion that what is not even deemed to be controversial, particularly if we have general agreement on the findings of the Auditor-General in respect of an individual or an institution, we may agree that the Committee meets in camera to sort itself out, then perhaps, thereafter, they may have to have public hearings in respect of all Reports that they may have to consider.
Of course, as you do know, it depends so much on the availability of funds.
Last year as you do know, they could
not survive on the purse provided them by Parliament; that was agreed at the level of Leadership for which reason we had GTZ and I think CIDA and Parliamentary Centre coming in to help. Maybe, we should now begin to plead with such institutions that the time has once again arrived for them to help us have the public hearings.
But it is important to establish the ground rules that nobody is running away from that. It is a good practice that is emerging. We should not only encourage it but deepen it.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Hon Members, let us move away from the issue of public hearings and deal with the substantive matter before us.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I trust
that with the Minority Leader as part of Leadership, appropriate demand will be made for this Committee to become much more functional and effective. I trust that he will lobby, as he is very capable, in ensuring that adequate resources are made available to the Public Accounts Committee for them to continue their public engagements.
Mr. Speaker, I am just making a
comment - [Laughter] -- Mr. Speaker, may I now refer you to paragraph (5) (1) of the Committee's Report and I would conclude on that note, and with your permission, I quote:
“The Audit revealed that out of 184 Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils, only 55 representing 30 per cent prepared their annual financial statements. . . . ”
Mr. Speaker, it is an appropriate recommendation of the Committee that we
Mr. Yaw Baah (NPP -- Kumawu) 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for the opportunity offered me to speak on the motion before this House.
Mr. Speaker, like other Hon Members who spoke earlier, I think concern has been shown with regard to the response from the various traditional, national and regional councils. The Financial Administration Regulations require that various traditional, regional and national councils are supposed to lay their financial statements before the Auditor-General by 31st of each financial year. But a careful look at their Report shows that out of 184 traditional councils, only 55 did respond in the year 2001-2004. And the question is, who caused it? I think the answer lies
in your Committee's Report. Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence, I refer you to the last paragraph, (5) (1), “State of the Accounts”:
“The Auditor-General informed the Committee that during the audit, we observed that the default in the preparation and submission of the financial statement for audit were due to a number of factors including chieftaincy disputes.”
Mr. Speaker, this is the area I very much want to dwell my discussion on. Mr. Speaker, as your goodself knows, allodial title to the various lands in this country apart from the legal one which the State acquires, resides in these traditional rulers and the family heads. Therefore, the problem that accounts for this, non- compliance has always been in respect of sharing their part of the funds from the Office of the Administrator of Stool Lands.
This is one area which I entreat the sector Minister, at least, to have a second look at this matter. This is because we believe that without proper financial statements from these traditional areas, which could be incorporated in the national budget for the sector Ministry, nothing better will be prepared for the Ministry. As you are also aware, Parliament is even constrained by Chapter 22, articles 270 - 276, that issues bo-thering on chieftaincy, initiation and what have you could only start from the Superior Courts.
Therefore, chieftaincy issues are still sacred and I think, as we are all aware, it is an embodiment and a rich aspect of our culture and that is why that sacred position has been created for it. But we are all aware of the numerous problems with regard to chieftaincy matters. As Legislators, the Constitution constrains us, but at least, through other means, we could also be assisting the Ministry to overcome
the numerous problems here and there.
Mr. Speaker, another area of concern to me which your Committee brought out is in respect of reckless dissipation, fraudulent deals and other things which have been going on at the various traditional councils. As your Committee rightly captured in the Report in respect of one Mr. Kyere Boateng, if we were to have many of these Kyere Boatengs at the traditional, regional and national councils, we do not know what would be happening.
If we look at the Report, the way and manner one man was here and there, it looks as if -- At the moment, the man is on retirement and I do not know how we are going to retrieve the money.
The recommendation by the Committee is much commendable but I do propose that apart from the police action which will lead to a trial, that is the criminal aspect of his acts, whatever happens, the money would go into the Consolidated Accounts because it is a criminal matter. But we need to retrieve this money for the purposes and benefit of the people in the Upper West Region where he was a Registrar.
At the moment, he is on retirement and we do not know, with natural termination quite eminent, I think we need to speed up so that we retrieve this money for the benefit of the people of the Upper East Region.
Mr. Speaker, I also recommend that, apart from this criminal aspect, we need also to look at the civic aspect of the whole issue and be able to retrieve these said funds which he has misappropriated through civil action. I believe the Hon Minister, with the leave of the Hon Attorney-General, could initiate an action at the court for us to retrieve this money from him.
Because, referring it to the police, it becomes an issue of crime and nothing would come out of it. If anything is paid, it goes into the Consolidated Accounts and it is going to be recycled.
With these few words, Mr. Speaker, I thank you and also praise the Committee for the exercise done.
Thank you.
Minister for Lands and Natural Resources (Alhaji Collins Dauda) 12:20 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity. Mr. Speaker, just a short one.
Mr. Speaker, one of the factors identified by the Committee to explain weaknesses in the Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils is the fact that most of them lack competent accountants to handle their books for them. And we know they are required to comply with the Financial Administration Regulations.
Mr. Speaker, it is very difficult for any House of Chiefs or traditional council to comply with the Financial Administration Act without a competent accountant. Mr. Speaker, I think it is about time that this House took a more serious look at some of these recommendations we make.
The Committee has recommended that the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and the Ministry of Chieftaincy and Culture take a critical look at this issue and recommend that they should get the Controller and Accountant-General's Department to provide the Houses of Chiefs and councils with the requisite capacities to keep records of accounts.
Mr. Speaker, they can do this when there are accountants in place. This House has the opportunity of approving estimates of Ministries, Departments and Agencies. Mr. Speaker, I think that what

we need to do is to say, for instance, that in the next Budget, because we want these Regional Houses of Chiefs and traditional councils to operate, with accountants in place, we will make sure that provision is made for the engagement of the services of accountants before approvals are made by this House.

I want to take this opportunity to draw attention to the fact that next November, when Government prepares its Budget and we have the opportunity of looking at the estimates, we would need to ask questions about whether provisions have been made for the engagement of the services of accountants before we proceed to approve the estimates for the National House of Chiefs.

I thank you very much for the opportunity.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
I will take the last two contributions; one from each side of the House.
Mr. David Oppon-Kusi (NPP -- Ofoase/Ayirebi) 12:30 p.m.
I thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to the Report on the floor.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring to the fore an issue so that Parliament can consider what we can do as an institution to help with some of the problems facing us.
Mr. Speaker, you would realise that most of the Reports that would come before us from the Public Accounts Committee would have recommendations that say we should strengthen institutions. We are faced with the dilemma of very weak institutions against the urgent need to strengthen these institutions.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Chairman of the Committee, do you want to do any winding up?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
just want to thank Hon Members for the various comments that have been made. We do appreciate the comments on the need for more public hearings and we would liaise with the Leadership to ensure that we get enough money to be able to hold many public hearings.
Mr. Speaker, I have also taken note of the comments that have been made with regard to the inability of the various Houses to maintain proper books of account and to prepare their financial statements.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to comment that it is the duty of the Accountant-General to determine what sort of accounting is done and at what level. Having determined what sort of accounting is required at a particular institution, it is also the duty of the Accountant-General to provide
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Deputy Majority Leader?
Mr. J. T. Akologu 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, as agreed upon, we take item 9.
MR SECOND DEPUTY SPEAKER
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon
Deputy Majority Leader, what shall we do at this stage -- Item 9?
MOTIONS 12:40 p.m.

Mr. Kwabena Appiah-Pinkrah (NPP - Akrofuom) 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion as moved by the Hon First Deputy Speaker and Chairman of the Committee.
I do so knowing very well that the recommendations of the Committee of Privileges were arrived at by consensus. During the first sitting of the Privileges Committee, Hon Members had the opportunity to listen to the complainant, Hon K. T. Hammond as well as the Director-General of the GBC. In the next sitting, the Committee sat to review the evidence that was presented.
We observed, more importantly, the conduct and demeanor of Mr. Ampem- Darko and drew our conclusion leading to the final recommendation.
Mr. Speaker, our conclusions indicated breach of the privileges of the House, of Hon K. T. Hammond and the entire Hon
Members of this august House as well as the institution of Parliament. But Mr. Speaker, the remorse demonstrated and the apology rendered by the Director- General could not be resisted thus the recommendations from the Committee.
I hope that this House would support the recommendation to serve as a form of education to the general public and a good lesson to the Director-General to learn how and where to control his temper in the face of even extreme provocation.
With this, I beg to second the motion.
Question proposed.
Mr. D. T. Assumeng (NDC - Shai Osudoku) 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for this opportunity to add my voice to this motion and also to ask Hon Members to support this Report that we should forgive and forget.
Mr. Speaker, I am an Hon Member of the Privileges Committee. And when the Director-General of GBC appeared before the Committee, we realised that he was really sorry. He really showed remorse. And on this, we realised that there was the need for the House to re-consider, forgive and forget. Because having listened to the tape I thought we were going to have another challenge.
But I realised that -- On that day we realised that -- to put it in a way, “water pass gari” on that day. [Interruptions.] I just want to say that the Director-General of GBC was really sober. He really regretted the action that went on. And I believe that - to put it the way, I really did -- it is so - [Interruptions] --“Man pass man; water pass gari” -- [Laughter.]
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Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon Member, do you rise on a point of order?
Mr. Owusu-Ansah 12:50 p.m.
Yes, that is so, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, the Hon Member on his
feet, has just used a colloquial expression which is not quite intelligible to most of us. He said “water pass gari”. What does he mean by that? [Laughter.] He should explain.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon Member for Shai Osudoku, please continue.
Mr. Assumeng 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you very much.
In other words, to err is human. -- [Laughter.] -- Mr. Speaker, I want to just advise that even though we have all the privileges before us in this House, we should also be guided by the way we present issues.
Mr. Speaker, yes, it is true that we have the privileges and the rights and there is no dispute about that. But I want to say that there is the need for us to also be very conscious about the way we go about issues.
I think that the Director-General has shown remorse. He needs to be forgiven because as the Bible says - and we all want to abide by that - we should forgive and forget and allow this issue to pass in a peaceful way.
On this note, I want to urge the House to support this Report to forgive and forget.
Mr. Yaw Ntow-Ababio (NPP - Dormaa East) 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, page 5 of the Report of the Committee, the last paragraph and if Mr. Speaker would allow me to quote:
“Mr. Ampem-Darko further undertook to render unqualified apology through the media, including radio and television if granted the opportunity.”
Mr. Speaker, if you look at the recommendation of the Committee, the Committee did not recommend this as such, looking at this particular quote that I have given. And I am of the opinion and would like to urge the House that if at the end of the day the House accepts the recommendation from the Committee, indeed, we should allow Mr. Ampem- Darko, who is the Director-General of the GBC Radio and Television, to render this apology through that media.
Mr. Speaker, there have been instances when Hon Members of the inky fraternity have been saying all sorts of things about Parliament as an institution and parliamentarians as individuals. Many a time, some of them even do not show anything like remorse as to what Mr. Ampem-Darko did before the Committee of Privileges. It is in this vein that I am in support of the recommendation of the Committee if the House would agree in this direction so that Mr. Ampem-Darko could go on air and apologise to Hon K. T. Hammond and at the same time to the House.
With these few words, I thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Abdul-Rauf Tanko Ibrahim (NDC -- Yagaba/Kubori) 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion on the Report of the Committee of Privileges on the investigations into the complaint against the Director-General of GBC in the matter relating to a breach of parliamentary privileges.

Mr. Speaker, I think that once Mr. Ampem-Darko has realized that he has done something that is not in the best interest of both he and the Member of Parliament and further went on to render an apology, I think it is proper we accept his apology.

But what I would appeal and want to say is that, we Members of Parliament are not enemies to the public; we are only representatives of the very people with whom sometimes we have an encounter outside. Mr. Speaker, just like other Hon Colleagues mentioned --
Nana Akomea 1 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, my Hon Colleague has not got the record of taking the advice he is giving -- [Interruptions.] When he had this little trouble with the Hon Member for Juaboso (Mr. Sampson Ahi) he did not -- [Laughter.] Mr. Speaker, at that time he did not forgive and forget. I would bring this to his attention.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon. Member, please continue.
Mr. Abdul-Rauf Tanko Ibrahim 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, for his information, Hon Ahi and I are best of friends. [Laughter.] I am surprised that my Hon Colleague on the opposite side would want to make mockery of me. I do not think that it is proper for him to do that.
Mr. Speaker, just as I mentioned, our Hon Colleagues should look at the remorsefulness with which Mr. Ampem- Darko met the Committee.
If he had not apologised, if he had not shown any remorse for what he had done, it would have been something different, anyway. But once he has come out to indicate that what he did to the Hon Member was wrong, I think there is the need for us to consider his apology.
Mr. I. K. Asiamah 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, my Hon Colleague is saying that he and Hon Ahi are the best of friends and I want to find out, since when did they become the best of friends? Was it before or after the incident? I want to know when they became the best of friends because this House has not been officially informed of the outcome of that.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon Member, please continue.
Mr. Abdul-Rauf Tanko Ibrahim 1 p.m.
I do not think that this is Question time. [Laughter.] If he likes he should come properly, I will give him the correct answer.
Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned, the general public should consider us the Members of Parliament here as their representatives. We are their representatives and we do not harbour any bad feelings against the general public.
So I am appealing to the general public to take that into consideration. When they are meeting the Members of Parliament, they should know we are part of them. We are coming here to work in their interest and when we leave, we are going to be with them and we will need them at all times to be able to exercise our parliamentary duties.
So I think with these few words, Mr. Speaker, I would want to call on Hon Members to let us forgive Hon Ampem- Darko for - [Interruptions] -- He is honourable; Mr. Ampem-Darko has apologised to the House. We should forgive him.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Ms. Esther Obeng Dappah (NPP -- Abirem) 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to the motion on the floor of the House.
Mr Speaker, I am a member of the Privileges Committee and I happened to be there when this case was being examined. I can say that from listening to the evidence and watching the demeanour of the Director-General, one could say that he was genuinely sorry for what had happened.
Also, having known Mr. Ampem- Darko for a long time, Mr. Speaker, I can say that that behaviour was out of character. Mr. Speaker, this reminds me of a story in the Bible where a woman who had committed adultery was caught in the very act; there was clear evidence that the act had happened because she was caught in that very act. But then our Lord Jesus said, whoever -- [Interruptions.] But then Mr. Speaker, our Lord Jesus said whoever had not committed sin should throw the first stone and he started writing on the floor. Madam Speaker, when he raised up his head everyone had disappeared. This goes to show that we are all fallible; we can all commit a sin or get into this unfortunate incident from time to time. So it is up to us to forgive when these things happen.
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Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon Ameyaw-Akumfi, do you rise on a point of order?
Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 1 p.m.
Rightly so, Mr. Speaker. I thank you that I caught your eyes. I want to find out from my Hon Sister -- [Interruptions] -- on a point of order -- what particular act she is referring to. [Laughter.]
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon Member, you may ignore that and continue.
Ms. Dappah 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not have to answer that.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
You do not need to.
Ms. Dappah 1 p.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Director-General, as I was saying, did not offer any defence at all, or an explanation for his behaviour on that fateful day. He simply apologized and kept on apologizing and said he had a lot of respect for this august House and for Hon K. T. Hammond. We realized that previously, he had even tried to be a Member of Parliament. He stood on the ticket of the New Patriotic Party (NPP) and lost. But he maintained that he had a lot of respect for a House which he himself was aspiring to be a Member. It was based on this that the Committee agreed to and accepted his apology.
I would therefore urge the House to accept this apology and forgive the Director-General and also learn to forgive ourselves when we commit some wrong each other.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity.
Mr. Sampson Ahi (NDC - Juaboso) 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to associate myself with the Report and say that the incident that took place between two Hon Members and the Director-General of GBC was most unfortunate. It is unfortunate because this incident happened between two important personalities in Ghana, that is, two Hon Members and Director- General of GBC and it does not send good signal to the young ones because the young ones would like to emulate -- [Laughter] -- In the Report they mentioned Hon Asiamah, that is why - All right. So Mr. Speaker -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Kwame Osei-Prempeh 1:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, it seems the Hon Member has not read the report. It was an incident between Hon K. T. Hammond, Member of Parliament for Adansi Asokwa and Mr. Ampem-Darko and not between two Hon Members. Hon I. K. Asiamah was the complainant in the Report. My Hon Friend should read the Report.
Mr. Ahi 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank him for the notice.
Mr. Speaker, I think that the incident that took place, the insult was not only rained at the Hon Member but it was at the entire Hon Members of Parliament. The insult was rained at Parliament as an institution because, as Hon Members of Parliament, we are one people with common objectives, so if one of us is affected or insulted, then definitely, it affects the entire Members of Parliament and for that matter Parliament as an institution.
Mr. Speaker, according to the Report the Director-General has shown a lot of remorse, he has regretted and the letter that he wrote to the Speaker of Parliament, in the concluding part he said that “I deeply regret and apologize for the incident that happened within the premises of Parliament House” and as Christians and Moslems we know -- when we are reciting the Lord's Prayer, we say that “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
Mr. Speaker, I know that it is not easy for one to just whole-heartedly forgive, especially when the incident took place in public, it is very difficult. But I want to appeal to my Hon Senior Colleague who was directly involved in this unfortunate incident, I know he is a good Moslem, to refer to the Quran and then forgive this our senior officer so that tomorrow if he
also offends somebody, then he would be forgiven. [Interruption.] It is true.
When Hon Tanko - when the incident happened, he regretted. He went on air and apologized to me and all of you also heard that I said that because he has shown remorse, because he has regretted, as a good Christian, I forgave him and since then, like he said, we have been very good friends, we do things in common.
So I want my Hon Senior Colleague to do the same thing and I think that Mr. Ampem-Darko is also rendering this apology from the bottom of his heart, it is very genuine, not that he was compelled to render this apology. Not that because he was called to face the Committee Privileges and that he was just saying anything for saying sake. I believe sincerely that he has rendered this apology from his heart and that my Hon Senior Member who was involved is also going to accept this apology in good faith so that tomorrow when he offends somebody the person will also forgive him.
Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
Mr. Andrews Adjei-Yeboah (NPP -- Tano South) 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to add my voice to the motion on the floor.
Mr. Speaker, I am also a member of the Committee and I was there when Mr. Ampem-Darko appeared before us. Mr. Speaker, all that Hon Members have said are true. The state and situation that Mr. Ampem-Darko found himself when he came before us and the very behaviour that he put up actually confirmed the fact that he was very sorry for what happened.
As a Committee, our concern was to test and see whether his apology was very genuine or cosmetic. Whether he was
Mr. Andrews Adjei-Yeboah (NPP -- Tano South) 1:20 p.m.
sincere in what he was presenting to us or just to convince us that, yes, I have done it , what is it and just - but we all saw that Mr. Ampem-Darko was very genuine and sincere in his apology.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to take it
from two different perspectives as to whether Mr. Ampem-Darko at his level as a very important person in society and the behaviour that he put up and the example that he is showing as to whether it was a good example for the younger ones that are coming and also as a leader and a Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of an institution as to what picture he was presenting. And as to whether he is giving an example where younger ones can copy and come before Privileges Committee and also apologize and just go away but Mr. Ampem-Darko never did that.
What he did really convinced us that genuinely, he lost his temper as a human being and genuinely lost control over himself and as to whether as a high person like that he can be provoked, if it was, to behave the way that he did and the Committee was only convinced that Mr. Ampem-Darko was really sorrowful.
We also had the opportunity to know that, yes, Mr. Ampem-Darko given the opportunity again will not behave the way he did and that was the area where the very personal character of my Hon Friend, Mr. K. T. Hammond comes into being. That he was very apologetic to him as well and all of us.
Mr. Speaker, in fact, a question from me to him, I looked into his face and asked him to look into the faces of all Hon Members sitting there and identify which one of us looked like a fool and he could not actually look into our faces. His face was down.
Mr. Speaker, I believe he was genuine, he was very genuine in his pronounce- ment and he was very genuine in the apology that he gave to us. And I believe the House would also take it as it were and that it was not an example that he was trying to show and I do not think it is part of his life that he would want to share with anybody. And if it is possible for him, to erase it from his life and history - I do not know how he would do it. But he was really sorrowful for what happened.
So Hon Members, as a member of the Committee who observed what went on and looked at him in his face, I believe what he told us was genuine and that the content of the apology lies with us, even as we are recommending. Such that genuinely, we can have something that Mr. Ampem-Darko from his own mouth and from his institution will render to us as Hon Members of the House, for the whole world to see that what he did was above board and that his very behaviour was not the best on that day.
On this note, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you for the opportunity given to me.

Mr. Emmanuel Kwasi Bedzrah

(NDC -- Ho West): Mr. Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this motion. I would like to refer the House to Standing Order 20 and with your indulgence, read:

“There shal l be freedom of speech, debate and proceedings in Parliament and that freedom shall not be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament.”

Mr. Speaker, it is true that to err is

human and to forgive is divine. I believe that this House will forgive Mr. Ampem- Darko but I want to also state that the

Ghanaian populace should not take this House for granted. We should also place it on record that this is an august House, we represent the people of Ghana and therefore, we cannot just go out and say anything about any Member. Irrespective of your position, you must respect the dignity of this House.

I thought that the Committee would have also added some measures or added something to just the apology. To ask Mr. Ampem-Darko to come to the floor of the House and apologize to all of us, not only to the Committee.

I also want to urge that Ghanaians will take note of this and next time they will not talk to any Member of this House anyhow.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity.

Mr. Kwasi Annoh Ankamah (NPP -

Atiwa): Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion. As a member of the Committee, I was very furious when the allegation was first made but when the Director- General appeared before the Committee, he showed genuine remorse and genuine apology and well, I am really convinced of his genuineness and I urge Members to tamper justice with mercy and we should all support the motion.

I urge Members to support the motion on the floor and let our good friend Ampem-Darko take this strong message that we are sending out to him and to everybody that nobody can come to Parliament and take Parliament for a ride.

On this basis, I urge Hon Members to support the motion.

Thank you.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Minority Leader, who will wind up for Minority and then Hon Majority Leader will conclude? I thought Hon Papa
Owusu-Ankomah was going to do that but Honourable has left the House. Hon Papa Owusu-Ankomah, if you will wind up for the Minority and for Majority Leader to conclude.
Ankomah (NPP
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
matters of privilege affect the institution of Parliament itself. Where complaints of privilege are brought before this House and it is generated against an individual member in the discharge of his duties as a Member of Parliament, it affects the entire House.
This incident for me, is really a reflection of what is happening in the body politic of this country. It seems as if generally, there is a wrong impression in certain segments of society to the effect that probably Members of Parliament do not know what they are doing, they talk carelessly, they are not pursuing the interest of the people whom they represent.
Others even believe that everybody can become a Member of Parliament. That it is important for this entire nation to recognize that -- [Interruptions] -- a Member of Parliament is an embodiment of this nation and the people we represent. People should forget about looking at Members of Parliament individually but should look at the office we occupy and the people we represent.
An affront to a Member of Parliament is an affront even not only to this institution but to this country also as a whole and it is sad that a very responsible public servant, the Director-General of a public service
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 1:30 p.m.
broadcaster, paid out of public funds will even dare to insult a Member because of what the Member purportedly said about him on the floor of the House. Irrespective of the circumstances, such a responsible officer ought not to have acted in the way as he did.
One will even say that if a public officer of that standing could allow his emotions to cloud his judgement in the manner that he demonstrated on that day, then people will even question his judgements, because for such a public officer even under the greatest stress and strain, he ought to maintain his cool.
In the olden days, that is in the Westminster, I am telling you that such a conduct could merit further action which could lead to him being sanctioned as a public officer through the institution and the legal means laid down for that purpose.
It is in this regard that I am urging Hon Members of this House to consider this matter because I wonder what may have been occurring to the Director-General of Ghana Broadcasting Corporation for him to have uttered those words. It means that psychologically he holds even this House to contempt. For me, he takes Members of Parliament to just be some -- let us say -- a bunch of irresponsible people who have had the opportunity to come and sit in this Chamber and it is unfortunate.
All Hon Members or all Ghanaians should bear in mind that we are not here just through some accident, we thought we had something to offer this country - we went through campaigning. Of course, even for us to subject ourselves to the lowest member of society because we want his vote, means that as human beings, we are prepared to respect each and every citizen of this country.
So people should not think that it is easy to become a Member of Parliament or to hold yourself out for an elective office, public election, it is not a small thing.
It is not a small thing and I am very sad that the Director-General whom I know, who is an old student of the school I attended, could behave in such a manner. However, Mr. Speaker, there is a saying that to forgive is divine and we are not saying that he should be forgiven.

The Committee in its Report is recommending that certain action should be taken by him. And I agree with the Committee's recommendation, but in such a situation, I believe that, we have to be guided by the collective wisdom of the House, and the direction given by Leadership, particularly, the Majority and the Minority Leaders, they should give us guidance.

But for my part, I will say that, this House should take the benefit of the facilities available to the contemnor, that is the Director-General, and let him render that apology. He has direct access to Ghana Television (GTV); he has direct access to GBC radio, and all its regional FM Stations. If this House should consider it fit, which I urge it so to do, to accept this apology, then he should read a public statement on Ghana Television; broadcast on all the radio stations in his own voice.

Take out an advertiser's announcement in the national newspapers at his cost, so that the people of this country would realize that affronting the dignity of this House is something that ought not to be contemplated by anyone, indeed; if an Hon Minister, for purposes of argument, affronts the dignity of this House, this House has the power to pass a resolution, getting him to be removed as a Minister;

that is how serious this thing is.

As for me, I will urge the Director- General to consider what he has done, and note that, he is not a low ranking public servant. His position is protected by the Constitution of this country, and no one can interfere with the exercise of his powers as Director-General. The saying is that:

“To whom much is given, much is expected.”

Assuming it had been, let us say, an ordinary factory hand or a labourer somewhere, one could excuse it, and say that, Oh! he does not know what he is about. But he should have known better. For your conduct to be the subject of debate on the floor of this House as a public officer, is something that would stain his record; but I am urging this House to accept the recommendation of its Committee of Privileges, I believe that he is genuinely remorseful, however, just accepting the apology is not enough.

We should set an example to the people of this country. And I am urging this House, guided by Leadership, to let us craft an apology in such a way that would send a message to everyone in this country, and would also serve as a lesson to the Director-General of GBC that, we, as a House, are an embodiment of the fountain and honour of the collective - [Interruption] -- of this country. I do not think that, in his position, he should let his passion cloud his judgement.

Mr. Speaker, but before I sit down, I

want to say that it is also important as Hon Members of Parliament, to guard our words in this Chamber. It is important, that is one thing that I want to urge us. In this House, we have the privilege of freedom of speech, but it is important that, even in the way we speak, we should also

set an example to Ghanaians. Even the way we conduct ourselves in this Chamber should let Ghanaians feel comfortable describing us as Honourable.

It is also an enormous responsibility, because, look, in a country of 20 million people, we are privileged to be one out of only 230. We have high ranking people, very wealthy people, people who hold positions according to custom; whom we serve customarily, whom we are repre- senting. So we should also embody the title “Honourable” that is attached to our names in everything that we do.

Mr. Speaker, I am saying this because, I believe that once our democracy has come to stay, we, as Hon Members of Parliament should do everything to strengthen democratic values and ethics in this country, and raise the image of this House. That is why, when some people decide to label all parliamentarians in a certain way, make wild allegations in the media about parliamentarians, I believe that it is something that this House, as a House should take up.

When it comes to matters of privilege, please, let us remove our partisan lenses, and ask ourselves how we can use the opportunity to raise the image and dignity of this House.

Mr. Speaker, I thank you for this unique
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon
Minority Leader, do you have a few words to say?
Minority Leader (Mr. Osei Kyei-
Mensah-Bonsu): Mr. Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to say a few words in relation to the matter on the floor.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that this matter before us today is one that has the potential of charting a course for us as a Parliament, because the matter in question is not any
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
matter that could be swept under the carpet. Here is a Member of Parliament, a three-time Member of Parliament, a senior Member of Parliament, who is taken to the cleaners.
Mr. Speaker, it is important to observe that the Hon Member of Parliament, who complained in this House about the incidence which occasioned Mr. Speaker referring the matter to the Privileges Committee, insists that he did not hear the Hon K.T. Hammond insulting the Director- General of GBC.

The Hon I. K. Asiamah is an Hon Member of this House. Mr. Speaker, the Hon K. T. Hammond is also on record to have said that he did not insult the Director-General of GBC. Mr. Speaker, we are told that the tape recording which captured the incident did not have any components capturing the insults, the alleged insults from Hon K. T. Hammond.

One could conclude that the allegation of insults from Hon K. T. Hammond cannot be substantiated. Mr. Speaker, under the evidence adduced, one cannot in any way conclude that the Hon K. T. Hammond insulted the Director-General of GBC which elicited that response, that rather acerbic and acidic response from him.

Mr. Speaker, paragraph 2 of the

Committee's Report is categorical that the Committee found out that the conduct of Mr. William Ampem-Darko was a direct reaction to the statement made by Hon K. T. Hammond on the floor of the House to the effect that he should be sacked.

Mr. Speaker, we were all in this

Chamber that very day and if the Committee concludes that the outburst of Mr. Ampem-Darko was a direct reaction to the statement made by Hon K. T. Hammond on the floor of the House to the effect that the Director-General should be sacked, then, nobody can conclude or make any reference to this allegation being pervaded by Mr. William Ampem-Darko.

Mr. Speaker, but I have a small problem; and the problem that I have with this Report is how it captured the alleged insults by Hon K. T. Hammond. It is saying that he rained insults at him and I am quoting page 3 of the Report, the first paragraph using the Akan expression which translates into something. I have not mentioned the Akan word.

Mr. Speaker, I thought that we should be careful a bit about -- one could have said that the man alleged that Hon K. T. Hammond used some foul language on him. But if you go further down to write the alleged words that he is purported to have used on him, I believe it may not be right because I believe if certain expressions had been used, certain banal words which one would consider very pedestrian, the Committee would not have had the courage to write those expressions in the Report.

Mr. Speaker, I have a problem there. The Committee maybe, could have found a way to have captured it because this Report is going to be for posterity.

Mr. Speaker, I think the other thing

that we also need to have better and further particulars about is the letter of apology written by Mr. Ampem-Darko. Mr. Speaker, we are told that that letter was written on the 26th of March. That was the very day that the Hon Member for Atwima-Mponua (Hon Isaac K. Asiamah) raised the matter on the floor of the House.
Mr. Adjaho 1:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is
important to put all information that is at the disposal of the Committee before this House and I think that I am happy he has made that point because when we were trying to finalize the Report, we were trying to look for the date the letter was actually received in the Speaker's Office and I think that it is a very valid point that the Hon Minority Leader is raising. And when we went for the date, it was received on 27th March; the letter was written on 26th March but was received in the Speaker's Office on 27th March, 2009 at 2.35 p.m.
Thank you very much.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:40 p.m.
Mr.
Speaker, I thank the Chairman of the Committee for this information and I believe that it is very germane to this issue because the Committee itself, the last but one paragraph of the Report captured on page 6 and Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence, I want to quote:
“The Committee was minded to take this position because of the timing of the apology.”
And to me, if the man had waited for
Mr. Adjaho 1:40 p.m.
I think that the inferences
that the Hon Minority Leader is making could be true but it could also not be true because we did not know how Madam Speaker's Office is run. In some offices the head sees the letter before it is submitted for it to be received.
That was the difficulty the Committee was in and in certain cases they will allow the letters to be opened immediately they receive them before submitting to the head. And that was a difficulty as I said -- earlier on that was a difficulty, but the truth of the matter is that, the letter was written on 26th, the day it was stamped was 27th but we do not know how the office is run. We had a difficulty there and we found it difficult to invite Madam Speaker to the Committee to get some of these details as to when the letter was presented to her. It is important to put these things on record.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:40 p.m.
Mr.
Speaker, I should thank the Chairman once again. I think the difficulty is that, and he himself just informed us that he has a difficulty and he insists that the letter was written on March 26. Mr. Speaker, my difficulty is that, the letter might not have been written on March 26; the letter indeed is dated March 26 but how sure are we that it was written on March 26? That is the point.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:50 p.m.


But Mr. Speaker, be that as it may, a

letter of apology has been submitted, it has been looked at the face value, the man has appeared, that is before the Committee and in my view, the demeanour of the man before the Committee should be very instructive and we are being informed that he was most humble, he offered the apology with his tail in- between his legs and everyone who was at that Committee has indeed alluded to that fact that he was extremely humble before the Committee.

Mr. Speaker, that being the case, I have no cause to doubt this solemn affirmations from our Colleagues who were on the Committee. May I take this opportunity to plead with our distinguished Colleague, Hon K.T. Hammond in particular who suffered the tongue-lashing of the Director- General. We have all said that at that level he ought certainly to have known better, that is the Director-General.

But again, it goes to all of us, those of us who witnessed the incident, who felt so humiliated, let me plead with all of them. In view of the remorse that the man is displaying, Mr. Speaker, I believe we should take solace in the recommendation of the Committee, and urge that the recommendations be followed through to the letter by the Director-General.

But just like the Hon Member for Sekondi asserted, Mr. Speaker, I believe that Hon Members from now on should also know that sometimes what we say of one another, what we say about the House, what we say about Parliament as an institution may have a potential of lowering the esteem of Parliament. We should rise above this and let this be a landmark in the affairs of Parliament.

Mr. Speaker, let me urge that we

rise above partisan considerations in these matters, to protect the integrity of Parliament. We must do so as a collective, it must not be said that the Hon Member who was the victim deserves it. It must never come from the mouth of any of us in this Chamber or outside the Chamber. Let us as a collective, rise to the occasion and Mr. Speaker, be together to ensure that the rightful thing is done in this regard.

Mr. Speaker, I thank you very much and I will end on the note of emphasizing my plea to the Hon K.T. Hammond to take heart, he is not alone in this, all of us are affected and that we shall confront the issue together.

Mr. Speaker, I thank you very much once again.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon
Members, the time is two minutes to two o'clock and under Order 40 (3) having regard to the state of business in the House, I direct that Sitting be held outside the prescribed period.
Majority Leader (Mr. A. S. K.
Bagbin): Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, a lot has been said and I do not intend to repeat what has been said. I endorse most of it. I just want to emphasise a few areas and the first is that, as stated in the Report of the Committee, it is a constitutional right of Hon Members of Parliament to have the widest form of freedom of speech and it is not for nothing that that has been enshrined in the 1992 Constitution.
It is because the Hon Member of Parliament and Parliament as a whole are the epitome of Ghanaians and Ghana and in fact, it is the institution and the personalities that exemplify democracy and democratic culture. I do agree with the Committee that the man pleaded guilty but added “with explanation” and the
explanation was just calling for leniency.
The Committee in accepting that leniency, insisted that he should be sanctioned in one way or another. I think we should go that way. I think that we should really insist that he apologizes to the Hon Member of Parliament for Adansi Asokwa (Hon K.T. Hammond) and also Parliament as an institution. This definitely, because of the publicity of the whole matter, his apology should also receive the same publicity, very wide publicity.
That is why I endorse the submission, of Hon Papa Owusu-Ankomah that, he should definitely make this apology on all the national radio stations and the GBC, Ghana Television (GTV) to which he is the boss and I believe that should be sufficient for this matter.
It is important for me to add in support of the counsel which has already been stated by Members of Leadership, that as a people and as a country, we have prescribed some rules and regulations and laws to regulate the conduct of Members of Parliament in Parliament and also the conduct of the general public as individuals as a whole, and as media towards Parliament and Members of Parliament. The Constitution is clear as to the privileges and immunities that are attached to this office and institution.
It is important that we respect those laws, it is important that we apply those laws and in fact Mr. Speaker, is also being called upon to look at the constitutional provisions, particularly article 116 and to apply the law on Members of Parliament who also decide to go beyond the limit of the freedom. In doing so, we will then be guided and will now start with charity begins at home and we have the authority,
both legal and moral, to apply the Whip and that we can apply without fear or favour. I think it is very very important.
Sometimes on the floor of the House, it is good that we infuse some humour, but it seems the quantum that is being infused these days is rather on the higher side and I want to plead with Members to let us rather focus more on being serious than turning the House into one of a house of entertainments. It is very, very important.

It is important that we be seen, not just be heard, that we be seen as the epitome of honour. That is why we have the title “Honourable”. We are human and there- fore we can err. We have our weaknesses and honestly and honourably, we will admit to those weaknesses and that will be seen and accepted by all. But let it not be taken for granted that because we have not been applying the rules and regulations, this House can just be held in absolute contempt and that is what we are seeing day in and day out, and it is good that we are signalling to the whole world that from now on we will apply the laws to the letter.

Even we those who are here for the fifth time, we want to, in departing this House, keep our chests high. We want to be seen as leaving a legacy that would be applauded and commended. We want our brothers and sisters, particularly those in the media to assist us, to partner us in putting across this message. This is because when you insult Parliament or an Hon Member of Parliament, it is Ghana you are insulting. In fact, that is why you
Mr. Adjaho 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that this is a very rich and mature debate. Indeed, one of the best debates I have listened to in recent days on the floor of this House and I am humbled by submissions from both sides of the House on this matter.
Mr. Speaker, there is this point I want to make and I made it, I want to repeat it. We did not hear the voice of Hon K. T. Hammond on the tape and there is no evidence before us that he actually did insult the Director-General. Indeed, because we were reporting what the man said, that is why we captured it in that Report. Indeed, if you look at our Report, we made the point that, if you were there and he had also tried to respond in any way, it would have been something else on that day. We are very grateful.
We have taken note of every single
comment that has been made by Hon Members.
We ourselves, we were in a difficulty because the man came before the Committee and was not prepared to answer anything except to repeat apology upon apology and that put the Committee in a certain situation to accept his apology. As we said, his demeanour and everything showed that he has actually shown remorse for his conduct.
We will also take the comments from the floor. When we get the apology, we will make sure that we would consult the Leadership of the House before the publication of the apology.
We thank all Hon Members and indeed, the whole House for the support that they have given to the Report.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.
Mr. Bagbin 2 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we go back to item 5 - Laying of Papers.
PAPERS 2:10 p.m.

Mr. Bagbin 2:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I seek your
permission to allow the Deputy Majority Leader to lay the Report on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee who is presently chairing the Committee on the other referrals to the Committee. The Deputy Majority Leader is a member of the Finance Committee.
By Deputy Majority Leader (on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee) --
Report of the Finance Committee on the Credit Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and the International Development Association (IDA) for an amount of SDR150.5 million (US$225.0 million equivalent) to finance the Transport Sector Project.
By the Deputy Majority Leader (on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee) --
Report of the Finance Committee on the request for waiver or tax/ duty exemptions on equipment and materials to be imported or purchased locally amounting to €2,414,790.00 in respect of the Mixed Credit Facility between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and the Government of The Netherlands/Fortis Bank for the construction and equipping of the Winneba District Hospital.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Leadership, any indication?
Mr. Bagbin 2:10 p.m.
No other business.
Mr. Second Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon
Members, the House will adjourn to Wednesday, 15th July, 2009 at 10.00 o'clock in the forenoon. The House is adjourned accordingly.
ADJOURNMENT 2:10 p.m.