Debates of 3 Jul 2019

MR SECOND DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:20 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:20 a.m.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Hon Members, Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 2nd July, 2019.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Hon Members, I do not have any Official Report with me, so that might have to be taken tomorrow.
We have two Statements to take this morning. The first one stands in the name of the Hon Member --
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
Mr Iddrisu 10:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, unless you are exercising your power to vary the order of Business in accordance with Standing Order 53, I would have wished that we take Questions, which is listed as the third item. I can see officials from the Ministry of Energy and the Hon Deputy Minister for Energy. If it pleases you, we should take Questions before we move to Statements; unless of course you want to vary it, as it is your mandate to do so.
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Mr Boamah 10:20 a.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
There are Questions to be asked of the Hon Minister for Energy; the Hon Deputy Minister is here. I have been reliably informed that the Hon Minister is indisposed. If you so permit, the Hon Deputy Minister could be called upon to answer to the Questions on his behalf.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
I thought that we could start with Statements so as to get the House
fully prepared for Questions. There are two very short Statements, and that could give some room for many Hon Members to be available; but if it is the pleasure of the House for us to go to Questions, I have no objection to that.
Mr Boamah 10:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, please let us follow the order of Business on the Order Paper and go to Questions.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Boamah, do you prefer Questions?
Mr Boamah 10:30 a.m.
That is so, Mr Speaker.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Members, it is Question time. We have a number of Questions listed at pages 2 and 3 of today's Order Paper. We would start with Question numbered 593 standing in the name of the Hon Member of Parliament for Nabdam, Dr Mark Kurt Nawaane.
ORAL ANSWERS TO 10:30 a.m.

QUESTIONS 10:30 a.m.

MINISTRY OF ENERGY 10:30 a.m.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
I am told our own Colleague, the Hon Deputy Minister, is here to represent the Hon Minister for Energy.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minister; our Hon Colleague?
Deputy Minister for Energy(Mr William Owuraku Aidoo on behalf of Hon Minister for Energy): Mr Speaker, the communities namely: Nangudi Techiman, Pelungo Zeemboug, Dasang Nayakora Yagre, Ndamboug Kpalikpii, Ngberiboug, Gungware, Zalerigu Zuaya (Bariki), Zoug/Zogamok, Daliga and Logre Teng- naab Yagre do not form part of any of the on-going projects currently being executed by the Ministry of
Dr Nawaane 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to know when the subsequent electrification projects would take place.
Mr Aidoo 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I think it would be worth noting that currently, we have over 17,300 communities that are yet to be connected to the national grid. As and when Hon Members bring communities to the fore, we capture them and incorporate them under any subsequent turnkey project that comes along.
So, I cannot be specific on when exactly the towns mentioned would be included in the subsequent projects. But they would be captured.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Member, you have two more supplementary questions if you may. If you are done, we could move to the next Question.
Dr Nawaane 10:30 a.m.
Thank you Mr Speaker.
It is alright.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Members, we would move on to the next Question which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Sege, Hon Christian Corletey Otuteye.
Connection of some Communities in Sege to
National Grid.
Q. 594. Mr Christian Corletey Otuteye asked the Minister for Energy when the following commu- nities would be connected to the national grid: (i) Caesar Korpe Panya (ii) Dogo Korpe (iii) Wonyi.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minister?
Mr Aidoo 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the communities namely; Caesar Korpe Panya, Dogo Korpe and Wonyi do not form part of any of the on-going projects currently being executed by the Ministry of Energy. The towns have been noted and would be considered in subsequent electrification projects.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Member, any supplementary question?
Mr Otuteye 10:30 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my question is about ‘when'. I have also realised that these
communities are not being worked on, and that is the reason I asked the Question. So, if the Hon Deputy Minister could be more precise to let me know or assure the people of Sege when this would be done if during the next session, so that we would be rest assured of the time.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Well, Hon Deputy Minister, you may answer.
But Hon Members, you know the proper thing to do in these matters, particularly, as you preamble your statement with the fact that you are aware that they are not captured. And then you said that is the reason why you decided to ask the Question.
You may get in touch with Leadership so that they could assist you with these matters as to what to do.
Mr Otuteye 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is because nothing is being done about that. I would like to know if there are plans on when they would be captured. I applied for this for over three years now and I have done several follow ups.
Every time, the officials at the Ministry tell me it would be done, and based on that, I decided to put that before the Hon Minister to really
assure me of when it would be done. But if it is too difficult, we would have to look at it.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
The Hon Deputy Minister may answer but I gave you a clue on what to do. I would allow the Hon Deputy Minister to answer.
Mr Aidoo 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, at the risk of repeating myself, the same Answer that was given to the Hon Member for Nabdam goes for the Hon Member for Sege. I do believe he was here when I answered that Question.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member, any more supplementary question?
Mr Otuteye 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, with the answer by the Hon Minister, I cannot continue to ask because it would still be unknown.
Thank you.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Members, we would move to the third Question which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Wassa East, Hon Isaac Adjei Mensah. - [Pause] -
Well, the Hon Member is not available so we move to the next Question which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Tolon, Hon Wahab Wumbei Suhuyini.

Gunu: Mr Speaker, I would like to seek your leave to stand in on behalf of Hon Wahab Suhuyini.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
I do not have a leave in this matter. You need to tell us the authority in which you are going to ask the Question. You do not ask for my leave.
Mr Gunu 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, he had a Committee assignment in Koforidua and he asked me to —
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
It has not yet answered the question. The fact that he has an assignment somewhere in the nature of Committee work, does not permit any Hon Member to—
Mr Gunu 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I have his permission to seek your leave to ask the Question on his behalf.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Member, you may read the Standing Orders.
Mr Gunu 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, he has granted me permission to stand on his behalf—
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Colleague came to Parliament very early today at 6.30 a. m. and told me that there was an important assignment for him to undertake. So, I asked if he had authorised somebody to ask the Question for him and he said he would get somebody to do that.
I do not really know the person but since the Hon Member got up, it suggests to me that he is the person who bears the authority of Hon Wahab Suhuyini to ask the Question. [Interruption.] It looks like he is in -- he was here at 6.30 a. m. and we were together.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
I now understand why you were labouring to ask the Question. The Hon Member himself has appeared and that is the danger.
Hon Member for Tolon?
Connection of Kpaniyili, Wayamba and some other
Communities to the National Grid
Q. 596. Alhaji Wahab Wumbei Suhuyini asked the Minister for Energy when the following communities would be connected to the national grid: (i) Kpaniyili (ii)
Wayamba (iii) Jagriguyili (iv) Buiyili (v) Tibogu (vi) Koblimahigu (vii) Tuzeenaayili (viii) Botingli (ix) Dalimbihi (x) Zantani.
Deputy Minister for Energy (Mr William Owuraku Aidoo on behalf of the Minister for Energy): Mr Speakere, Kpanyili, Jagriguyili, Buiyili, Botingli and Dalimbili communities form part of the on-going Self-Help Electrification Programme (SHEP-4) currently being implemented by the Ministry of Energy. It should be noted that contract agreement for the implementation of the electrification project in the communities was signed on 4th June, 2019. The Ministry is in the process of supplying High Tension (HT) and Low Tension (LT) poles to the project sites to commence works. The communities are earmarked to be completed and connected to the national grid by end of 3rd quarter,
2019.
Mr Speaker, the remaining com- munities namely; Wayamba, Tibogu, Koblimahigu, Tuzeenaayili and Zantani are earmarked for the proposed turnkey electrification project by M/S Sinohydro Corporation Limited in selected communities in the Northern, North- East, Savannah, Upper East and Upper West Regions.
Preliminary engineering studies have been concluded to determine the scope of works/final list of communities for the project. A draft contract agreement between the Ministry of Energy and Messrs Sinohydro Limited has been forwarded to the Attorney General's office for review and advice to pave way for VFM, Cabinet and Parliamentary approvals prior to the commencement of works.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon Member, any supplementary question?
Alhaji Suhuyini 10:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, no supplementary question; I thank the Hon Minister.
Mr Speaker, I thank you.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon Members, we would move on to Question numbered 597 which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Afadzato South, Hon Mrs Angela Oforiwa Alorwu-Tay.
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
I am sure this is a lady.
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:40 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. I have been mandated by Hon Angela Alorwu-Tay to ask this Question on her behalf because she is unwell and is not available to do so.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
She is unwell?
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:40 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker; that was the information she gave me, that she is indisposed.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Well, Hon Member, you may do so.
Connection of some communities in Afadzato South District to
National Grid
Mr Rockson-Nelson Etse Kwami Dafeamekpor (on behalf of Mrs Angela Oforiwa Alorwu- Tay) asked the Minister for Energy when the following communities in the Afadzato South District would be connected to the national grid: (i) Gayadzi (ii) Kpokope (iii) New Site (iv) Quarters (v) Azikope (vi) Adakope (vii) Aveyoryoe (viii) Aveyoryoe No. 2 (ix) Kpakope (x) Sadzikope (xi) Akrobotornu (xii) Hadzidekorpe.
Deputy Minister for Energy (Mr William Owuraku Aidoo on behalf of the Minister for Energy):
Mr Speaker, the communities namely 10:40 a.m.
Gayadzi, Kpokope, New Site, Quarters, Azikorpe, Adakope, Averyoyoe, Averyoyoe No.2, Kpakope, Sadzikope, Akrobotornu and Hadzidekope do not form part of any of the on-going projects currently being executed by the Ministry of Energy. The towns have
been noted and would be considered in subsequent electrification projects.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon Member, any supplementary question?
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:40 a.m.
Yes Mr Speaker.
The further information is that some of the communities, indeed have been wired and the transformers have been provided but the lines have not been energised. Could the Hon Deputy Minister give us an indication of when they would be energised?
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
This information is completely at variance with the answer given by the Hon Deputy Minister.
Hon Deputy Minister, how do you reconcile that?
Mr Aidoo 10:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, our records tell us that these towns have not and the Question actually confirmed that since it wanted to know when they would be connected . So, I am at a loss as to what the Hon Member is asking.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Do you want to hazard another supplementary question?
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is a suggestion. Could the Hon
Deputy Minister reconcile the records?
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
It is not about the Hon Deputy Minister reconciling the records. The Question itself asked when those communities would be connected, so it means that they are not connected.
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:40 a.m.
Hon Alorwu- Tay says that the poles have been planted, the cables have been strung and transformers have been provided but the lines have not been energised.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
That is the Question, when would the lines be energised or when would they be switched on? But if you ask when they would be connected -- ?
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I agree, but that is the reality. I agree.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minister, you may have to crosscheck from the agencies involved because these are answers coming from those same agencies and then we would reconcile the issues.
We have the last Question which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Zabzugu, Hon Alhassan Umar.

Completion and Connection of Communities in Zabzugu

Q 598. Mr Alhassan Umar asked the Minister for Energy when the contractor would return to site and complete the connection of the following communities to the national grid: (i) Korikurugu (ii) Nyankpala (iii) Mongoase (iv) Jagrido (v) Kupariga.
Mr Aidoo 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, Korikurugu, Nyankpala, Mongoase and Jagrigo communities form part of the on-going Self-Help Electrification Programme (SHEP-5) currently being implemented by the Ministry of Energy. Apart from Jagrido com- munity, the remaining communities are under existing High Tension (HT) network and hence will require no HT network construction. Jagrido community has been supplied with 11 out of 26 HT poles. The 11 poles have all been erected but are yet to be dressed.
All the Low Tension (LT) poles required for each of the communities have been supplied and erected at site. The supply of pole top accessories to site, which initially delayed, has since been completed. The project
Mr Umar 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I have in my hand, the Hansard dated Tuesday, 24th October, 2017, and with your permission, I beg to quote the Answer the Hon Minister gave on this same Question I asked.
“The Ministry is in the process of procuring the outstanding materials to allow for the completion of works by the end of first quarter, 2018''.
Mr Speaker, 16 months after the 2018 date, I am still getting the same Answer. He says ‘at the end of December'. I would want the Hon Minister to assure me that what he is saying would materialise. Also, why has the Ministry delayed 16 months as they promised?
Mr Aidoo 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, if I heard the Hon Member right, he said in October, 2017, the Hon Minster for Energy alluded to this House that the materials were being procured. Indeed, they have been procured, of
which some have gone to the Hon Member's community. What I am telling him today is due to the fact that we have some materials. , I am assuring him that the contractor is remobilising to go to site by the middle of this month.
Mr Speaker, I would indulge him to wait till the middle of the month. I am very sure that the contractor would be on site because the materials are available.
We have said variously in this House that the procurement of materials have been a bit of a challenge and so many communities that have been connected are under SHEP Programme. I would beg of the Hon Member to exercise patience while we try to connect his communities.
Mr Umar 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to know if the Hon Minister knows that most of the equipment that need to be remobilised and moved to the site are with the District Assembly and they do not want to release them?
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minister, I am sure you heard the Hon Member.
Mr Aidoo 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am not aware of that but I promise to look into it. And if he should contact me
subsequently, we could resolve this matter.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Member, your last supplementary question.
Mr Umar 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I have no other supplementary question.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
The Hon Member says he is satisfied with the answer.
Hon Deputy Minister, thank you for attending upon the House to respond to the Questions.
Hon Members, on your behalf, the Hon Deputy Minister is discharged.
Hon Members, we now have three Statements -- I received the third Statement in the course of proceedings and it has been approved and recommended to be taken today.
The first Statement is from the Hon Member of Parliament for Atwima Kwanwoma; Dr Kojo Appiah-Kubi. The statement is on the future of the girl childhood in Ghana; rising levels of child marriages in Ghana. Hon Members, I plead with you to listen to this important Statement which is a challenge that we must work on as a country.
Yes Hon Member?
STATEMENTS 10:50 a.m.

Dr Kojo Appiah-Kubi (NPP -- Atwima Kwanwoma) 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) is the first of its kind which gave recognition to children as rights holders in an international treaty.
It marked the transition from addressing children's immediate needs through charity alone, to galvanising the move towards advocacy that should bring about systemic change for the realisation of children's rights.
Mr Speaker, the year 2019 marks the 30th anniversary of the CRC and in joining to celebrate it, the Committee on Gender, Children and Social Protection, as part of its advocacy to end child rights violations, wants to highlight some of these rights violations in the course of the year.
We believe, we have to use this advocacy to create awareness about the CRC, and the various child rights violations in the country, as well as to mobilise stakeholders to do more in translating child-rights into reality in Ghana.
Dr Kojo Appiah-Kubi (NPP -- Atwima Kwanwoma) 11 a.m.


Mr Speaker, it is instructive to note that Ghana happens to be the first country to sign and ratify this Convention. It is, however, sad to note that the rights of millions of children are violated every day in the country.

Rising levels of child poverty, teenage pregnancy, lack of educational and livelihood opportunities, high child morbidity and mortality ratios, violence, abuse and exploitation of the child; child labour, child trafficking and many others are a few of the rights of children that are violated in Ghana.

The Committee on Gender, Children and Social Protection, with this Statement on Child Rights Violations today, wants to draw attention to a peculiar and somehow nasty child right violation, which is very rampant in Ghana, and that is child-marriage.

Indeed, Mr Speaker, child marriage is truly a global problem that cuts across countries, cultures, religions and ethnicities. Statistics show that worldwide, each year, 12 million girls are married before the age of 18.That is 23 girls per minute, and nearly one girls per two seconds. The prevalence rate of child marriage is, however, very high in Africa than in most areas. Of the 20 countries with

the highest rates of child marriage, 17 are in Africa.

The picture in Ghana is not very much different. Even though child marriage, or marriage in which a partner is below 18 years of age is illegal in the country except at 16 years with child, and parental consent, child marriage is a practice estimated to affect one in five girls.

According to UNICEF, 21 per cent of girls in Ghana are married before their 18th birthday.

These rates vary greatly between regions and can be as high as 39 per cent in the northern part of the country, but only 12 per cent in Greater Accra Region.

Mr Speaker, child marriage is very often fueled by gender inequality, poverty, traditions, and insecurity; but these causes are not insurmountable problems. We must tackle them seriously, given their devastating impact on the girl-child, society and the economy of our country.

Mr Speaker, the impact on the girl child should be seen as a human rights violation that could produce devastating repercussions on a girl's life, effectively ending her childhood. These also include the huge challenges that child brides face because they are

married as children. They often feel isolated and with limited freedom, feel disempowered. They are deprived of their fundamental rights to health, education and safety.

Child brides are neither physically nor emotionally ready to become wives and mothers. They are therefore likely to experience dangerous complications in pregnancy and at childbirth, contract HIV/AIDS and suffer domestic violence.

With little access to education and economic opportunities, they and their families are more likely to live in poverty and to be trapped in the trans-generational cycle of poverty. Moreover, child marriage usually destroys the future marital life of the girl-child, as available evidence suggests that child-marriage almost always ends in failure.

Mr Speaker, communities and nations equally feel the negative impact of child-marriage, in that systems that undervalue the contri- bution and participation of girls and women limit their own possibilities for growth, stability and transformation.

On account of these reasons, the Government of Ghana has for long appreciated child marriage as a major impediment to the development of the country and the full realisation of the rights of children in Ghana. It has thus developed coordinated responses to child-marriage in Ghana including the following:

Several legislations such as the 1992 Constitution and the Children's Act, which set the minimum age of the child and of marriage at 18 has been enacted. The Criminal and other Offences Act even outlaws in principle, child marriage.

Safe space programmes have also been initiated with economic empowerment components such as cash transfers, educational and skills training to build girls' self-confidence and offer them alternative livelihoods.

Concerning Advocacy, the Go- vernment has also increased its advocacy to end child-marriage by 2030 by initiating a national campaign to end child marriage in 2016, which culminated in the first African Ladies Conference in 2018 in Accra on ending child- marriage.

The Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection has also been playing a lead role in national efforts to end child marriage. It has even
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Members, as I stated earlier, this is a very important Statement. I expect comments from Hon Members. I would want to repeat this: I expect comments from Hon Members and we do not want thesis. The Standing Orders says “comments”. So depending on the guidance from Leadership, we may take a few; maybe two from each Side of the political divide.
Hon Members may do so now.
Yes, Hon Member?
Ms Gifty Twum-Ampofo (NPP-- Abuakwa North) 11:10 a.m.
I thank you, Mr Speaker.
I would like to commend the Hon Member who made the Statement. We appreciate him for being the Hon Chairman for the Committee on Gender, Children and Social Protection.
The causes of child-marriage range from cultures, traditional beliefs to poverty. In talking about cultures and
traditional beliefs, I would want to support the Hon Member who made the Statement and appeal to all Hon Members of Parliament that we belong to various traditions and cultures -- to improve education and advocacy on the menace of child- marriage.
Mr Speaker, to give one's daughter out to early marriage means eating all the eggs before they are hatched. So, if Hon Members together with the Government as well as the Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection and the Ministry of Education would educate the electorate in our various communities, we would see a drastic reduction in this menace.
Mr Speaker, again, on the SDGs, I would like to appeal to all Hon Members of Parliament to adopt the various Goals, especially Goals 1, 2, 4 and 5, which solely depend on the education, enlightenment and ability of the girl-child to manage the household and family.
Mr Speaker, the available statistics indicate that in the households where women are educated, poverty is drastically reduced and facilities that the internet has endowed women with are brought to bear.
Mr Speaker, I applaud the Hon Member who made the Statement. I would appeal to all Hon Members to adopt the advocacy, training and mentoring of communities so that we would all know that child-marriage is a menace that must be brought to an end.
Mr Speaker, thank you.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon Member, thank you for your comments.
Hon Member for Wa West?
Mr Joseph Y. Chireh (NDC -- Wa West) 11:10 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to comment on this important Statement.
The Statement has reminded all of us about the need for us to continue to campaign for the welfare of the girl- child and, particularly get children in general to attend and complete school, and be useful to society and themselves.
Again, this Statement is a constant reminder to all of us; the issue of emphasising the need for us to put in our political and campaign messages, and the issues that relate to children, particularly the girl-child. We all know that many societies and communities have practices that are against the girl-
Dr Kwaku Afriyie (NPP -- Sefwi Wiawso) 11:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity.
I would commend the Hon Member who made the Statement on the Future of the Girl Childhood in Ghana and the rising levels of child- marriage.
Mr Speaker, actually, I was very surprised at the latter part of the Statement, which was on the rising levels of early child-marriages. I have always suspected that the phenomena is actually decreasing, albeit slowly. Mr Speaker, be it as it may, I would concede that the Hon Member has provided empirical evidence to show that it is really rising.
Mr Speaker, the mark of any civilised organisation or society is how laws and policies are crafted to take care of the vulnerable and
marginalised. I would submit that the girl-child is uniquely marginalised and at risk. The problem is more profound than we think.
If we do an introspection, we would notice that ingrained in every society is the need to perpetuate itself. Which segment of society is well placed to perpetuate their own kind other than the girl-child?
This is because as soon as the girl child reaches puberty, all the biological things would be in place so that they could fulfil the mandate of bringing forth to perpetuate themselves.
Mr Speaker, that is why intuitively, every parent wants their children, especially the girl child, to have a baby to sustain their kind and make sure that their genes are propagated even as they exit the world. So this is innate.

That is one of the drivers that propels society to make sure that the female progeny takes care of our place in this world. In so doing, sometimes we make sure that girls who are already well-placed to perpetuate themselves bear children early so that this is fulfilled. Meanwhile, Mr Speaker this is where all the

problems, biological and societal risks are found.

Coming to the main topic, we have realised that in Ghana, we have done a lot by signing on to all the conventions in the world; but we must make sure that we walk the talk. That is why free senior high school, for example, has the potential to make every girl go to school. The fact that one is even in school means a girl has the opportunity to postpone the first time to have a child.

Mr Speaker, it also provides a girl with the tools and whatnots to take care of herself because she is so enamoured and enabled. They could find out for themselves the advantages for postponing early marriage, make sure that they are well-placed economically and that their economic fate is in their hands.

Mr Speaker, before I sit, society itself would have to do introspection and imbibe everything we are saying. I have a sneaky feeling that, overall, society has not changed its value systems, and that still propels this phenomenon, which we have all agreed is not good.

Every person interested in gender equality knows that everybody is well- endowed. When the good Lord distributed intelligence and other good
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
I prefer gender balanced.
Yes, Hon Member?
Ms Felicia Adjei (NDC -- Kintampo South) 11:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to contribute to the Statement made by the Hon Chair- man of the Committee.
Sometimes it is indeed very sad when I hear people talk about girls, teenage pregnancy and all that. This is because it is when one goes to our constituencies that one sees the need to talk about these. But we do not have to come to the Floor of
Parliament all the time to talk about it and leave the communities or constituents out.
Last week I was at the constituency and we talked about this same issue under discussion; girls and teenage pregnancy. Of late, we all thought that teachers used to worry students. It is no more about the teachers, but it is some of the parents. I myself witnessed some. One would see parents in the communities tell their children that this is a teacher they should go out with.
Mr Speaker, it is very sad. I asked one student how come she does not go to school even when there is free senior high school. She told me her mother told her that there is a teacher who had come to the community that she could go out with and maybe have a nice child together. Sometimes looking at this, it is not just about poverty alone but responsible parenthood.
So I urge Hon Members here that we organise some programmes for the communities and the schools for them to really understand why they even go to school. They would also understand the meaning of going out with a man, and would not depend on what their parents always tell them to do.
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon Minister for Communications, I would give you the opportunity because of your membership of the international body.
Mrs Ursula G. Owusu-Ekuful (NPP -- Ablekuma West) 11:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker.
I was going to comment on it that following on your illustrious footsteps as Ghana's council member for the Parliamentarians for Global Action (PGA), we worked on elimination of early and forced marriage.
It is a programme that is still ongoing. The challenges and problems that the girls who are forced to endure such early marriages go through are well-documented. I commend the Hon Member who made the Statement for highlighting this issue.
We all know the benefits that the society itself also gains when we keep our girls in school for much longer, and enable them to acquire skills and vocations through being educated. The health of their own children and family are also improved.
Mr Speaker, I would urge all my Hon Colleagues to take it up, as a matter of priority, for us to go back into our communities to educate parents, opinion leaders and the girls themselves about the need for them
to delay adulthood, if I may put it that way. There is an Akan word “kyembere”, which is to force a fruit to ripe; it is not as sweet as it would have ripen naturally.
So let us allow our young girls to grow and mature at the pace at which nature intended, instead of forcing them into early adulthood by making them take care of children they produce when they are children themselves.
Mr Speaker, I have just also learnt that the age of consent in Nigeria is 11 years, and I could not believe it. That means that at the age of 11, the young person could consent to sex. In Ghana, the age of consent is 16, and there is even a strong advocacy for it to be raised to 18 years, which is the age of capacity, so that we could harmonise the age of consent with the age of capacity.
Mr Speaker, when we expose our young children too early to the danger of adulthood when they are not prepared for it, it causes them incalculable harm. We would love to see every young girl in this country grow and mature, attain a profession and be old and mature enough to choose to engage in either sexual activity or to be married of her own volition, and not compelled by societal, cultural and traditional norms to do so.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Well, I do not see any person. I would want to continue --
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:30 a.m.
This is not a call for Hon Members to continue. I just wanted to note that I think that we all feel satisfied with the contributions so far, so that we could move on to the next two Statements.
It is a very important topic, and I think that we should all commend the maker of the Statement. There are some areas that we should be more specific than you have been. When you say northern Ghana, what do you mean? Northern Ghana is not a region, but you compared that to the Greater Accra Region.
Next time, I think you should be more specific. Let us get the regional breakdown, and let us task Hon Members of Parliament to go on the advocacy drive. Not only advocacy, you have to invest because that is the treasure of the country.
You all know that to marry a child is to commit a crime, and this is punishable by law. Whether it is a boy- child or a girl-child, it is the same.
Whether it is a marriage of a child to an adult or a child to a child, it is the same crime.
Even though the maker of the Statement said it is rampant, he did not say it is on the ascendency. It is in Africa that it is on the ascendency. So we need to work on it together. I have a record in this direction and that is why I am interested.
As a member of the Parliamen- tarians for Global Action, we actually worked hard on this matter. When the Minister for Communications took over, I read a lot of her presentations from country to country. So Ghana is marked high when it comes to child rights, and it is good that we were the first to ratify.
Unfortunately, we seem to lag behind. So we need to work on our laws again, and try as much as possible to get our people to understand this. It is not a matter of culture. It is such a bad practice, and we should discontinue it.
Hon Members, with this, we move on to the next Statement in the name of the Hon Member for Central Tongu, Mr Alexander Roosevelt Hottordze. It is a Statement on the activities of magicians, and its impact on national development.
Activities of Money Doublers and their Impact on National
Development
Mr Alexander R. Hottordze (NDC -- Central Tongu) 11:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am extremely grateful for the opportunity to make a Statement on the activities of persons who profess to have the capability and capacity to apply various means to double or multiply moneys into huge sums for interested unsuspecting persons all in the name of sorcery, magical powers and divination.
These unscrupulous persons who are mainly confident tricksters, imposters and conmen, capitalise on the ignorance of the citizenry and their quest to get rich quick, as well as the greedy attitude of some Ghanaians who would stop at nothing to become filthy rich without doing any genuine business through hard work.
Mr Speaker, in recent times, the activities of these nation wreckers is on the ascendency. Despite the illegal nature of their activities, these money doublers now operate in the open with impunity and utter disregard for our laws.
They seem to be emboldened by the fact that there is no serious effort by the security agencies to clamp down on their activities, while well-
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Thank you, Hon Member, for bringing to the fore, this difficult topic.
Hon Members, I expect you to comment on it. It is a serious challenge in the country and so your comments should give us more details on the issue.
I do not see any Hon Member on his feet at my right hand side; maybe, they are not aware of that problem. However, on my left hand side, I could see the Hon Member for Ledzokuku on his feet.
Dr Bernard Okoe Boye (NPP -- Ledzokuku) 11:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, for once, one of my Hon Colleagues signalled to me that this Statement is region specific, and so I should not comment on it. I however, do not believe that it is true.
Mr Abdul Aziz Muniru (NDC -- Akan) 11:40 a.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
Mr Speaker, I beg to also contribute to the Statement made by my Hon Colleague; Hon Alexander Hottordze.
Mr Speaker, I would want to add that in our statues, these activities are classified as crimes. To be specific, Part III of the Criminal Offences Act, 1960 (Act 29), deals with offenses that are of dishonesty. Section 137, paragraph 1 states, and with your permission, I quote:
“Charlatanic advertisements in newspapers.
(1)The publication in journal or newspapers of an advertisement or notice relating to fortunetelling, palmistry, astrology or the use of any subtle craft, means or device, by which it is sought to deceive or impose on a member of the public, or which is calculated or is
Mr Speaker, also, section 137, paragraph 2 reads, and I quote 11:40 a.m.
“(2)The editor, publisher, proprietor and the printer of a journal or newspaper in which the advertisement or notice is published commits a criminal offence and is liable to a fine not exceeding twenty-five penalty units.”
Mr Speaker, the 25 penalty unit fine is woefully inadequate as a punishment for this type of crime. I therefore call on the House to come together so that we amend this Act to reflect to modern-day activities, and especially, extend it to social media like Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp, so that people who commit offences in these areas could have stiffer punishments.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
Minister for Defence (Mr Dominic B. A. Nitiwul) 11:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity. I also thank the Hon Member who made the Statement.
Mr Speaker, the context of the Hon Member's Statement focused a lot more on what used to happen in the past. It still happens though, if one goes to places like the Kwame Nkrumah Circle and other crowded places, we have confident tricksters who come and trick people and take their moneys.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member should have widened the context of his Statement to look at our society today. Almost everybody in this House; Hon Members of Parliament (MPs) and Hon Ministers, who are people that the society look up to, have all been victims of what the Hon Member talks about in his Statement.
Mr Speaker, today, individuals could create a fake Facebook account about a particular person and tell people that they have jobs for them and so they should pay a sum of GH¢ 500. People are actually paying for it.

There is not an Hon Minister in Ghana today who has not had two or three fake facebook pages created for him or her. [Interruption.] Well, somebody claims that he has four. They are taking money from gullible Ghanaians. That is the angle that we should look at. We should let our

people know that it is crime to go on Facebook and become an internet fraudster and take money from people.

Mr Speaker, we celebrate fraud in this country; we celebrate people who earn money illegally in this country. We have brothers, sisters and friends and we are happy to say that they are “419” or “Sakawa”. They drive the best of cars and people praise them. It is a crime.

Mr Speaker, we see that an individual has put up a huge mansion and has the best of cars, but we do not really know the business he is engaged in. The GRA will never ask him the source of his wealth.

I know that in any developed country today, if a person saves in a bank and he deposits a certain amount of money per day, they will find out the source of that person's money.

It is true that the security agencies need to sit-up, but all of us need to make sure that we stop it. Otherwise, Mr Speaker, our country will be used as a fertile ground for people to come and commit these types of crimes.

In the 1990s, Ghanaians did not know what internet fraud was. Today, we have coined the name Sakawa; they did not know it. They have not been taught to make money from it. These fraudsters are making a lot of money and people are happy to associate with them.

Mr Speaker, this Statement is a very important one. It is a wake-up call to the security agencies, GRA, to the average Ghanaian and the job seekers. A person cannot be recruited into the Ghana Armed Forces on Facebook or Whatsapp; a person cannot be recruited into the Ghana Police Service on Facebook or Whatsapp. They create fake Facebook pages about me and ask people to pay about GH¢200.00 or

GH¢300.00.

Mr Speaker, a funny thing is that, a journalist-friend of mine thought she was communicating with me. She carried twenty-two (22) people in a Benz bus to my office that each one of them had paid GH¢200.00 to me for them to be recruited into the Ghana Armed Forces through Facebook. I
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Some Hon Members 11:50 a.m.


Yes, Hon Deputy Minority Leader, you have six of your able Hon Members behind you. Who should be given the opportunity?
Mr James Klutse Avedzi noon
Mr Speaker, I am confused on who to choose. I will go by who is senior in the House and choose Hon Sampson Ahi. [Interruption.]
Mr Sampson Ahi (NDC -- Bodi) noon
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to contribute to this important Statement which has brought to fore the current develop- ment in our country as regards the practice of magic.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker noon
Yes, Hon Sampson Ahi, you are to comment on the Statement; please do so.
Mr Ahi noon
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
I only asked a question whether Christianity is failing us as a society, and that is why people now develop interest — [Interruption.] -- we know them. We know they are lying to us but people are from time to time
Mr Second Deputy Speaker noon
Hon Member, Ghana is a secular state; it is not a Christian state. So it cannot be Christianity that is failing us.
Mr Ahi noon
Mr Speaker, I did not only talk about Christianity; I added other religions and even mentioned Islamic religion as well. So I said we should look at this issue of foreign religion vis-à-vis the activities of these magicians because if we are good Christians, why would we even buy into that juju type of activity?
Mr Second Deputy Speaker noon
Hon Sampson Ahi, I think that you are not taking a cue from the objections.
Mr Ahi noon
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
I would take a cue from your direction but just to ask the various religious leaders to intensify the education so that people would know that the activities of these magicians do not help.
They are only interested in playing on our intelligence to take our money. As I have said earlier, if indeed, they are able to double money, why do they not double what they have for themselves? So it is just tricks.
Some are even on the radio giving out lotto numbers. If they think that those lotto numbers could give people
Mr Second Deputy Speaker noon
Hon Member, the State itself is playing lotto so why are you trying to blame individuals?
Mr Ahi noon
Mr Speaker, I am referring to the situation where numbers are given out for people to stake. I am saying that if the magicians could give out numbers to people that they are sure would play, why do they not stake the numbers themselves with their family members so that they would get money?
It is because they want to trick people; they want to unduly take people's moneys. That is why they come under the pretence of giving out lotto numbers; two sure, and collect people's money but at the end of the day, the numbers do not even play.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker noon
I am sure when you read the law on the National Lotteries, you would understand why we have the professors -- [Laughter.]
Please conclude and let us move on.
Mr Ahi noon
Mr Speaker, to conclude, I think this is a very important Statement, and all of us should work toward educating the general public to know that there are charlatans among us who claim to know all; who claim to read into the future and predict one's future. Meanwhile, it is not true.
They are just deceiving the public. So we should be careful dealing with the so-called magicians.
I thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Hon Members, please we would move on to the third Statement. We have taken a lot of time on these two Statements.
We have the third Statement in the name of Rev John Ntim Fordjour, the Hon Member of Parliament for Assin South Constituency.
This Statement is in comme- moration of the 152nd Canadian Independence and lessons from her economic progression.
Hon Member, you may do so now.
Commemoration of the 152nd Canadian Independence and Lessons from Her Economic
Progression
Rev John Ntim Fordjour (NPP -- Assin South): Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity afforded me to make this Statement in commemoration of the 152nd Canadian Independence and lessons from her economic success.
Mr Speaker, permit me to foremost convey my best wishes and congratulatory message to the people of Canada for attaining 152 years of its founding.
Mr Speaker, Canada, just like Ghana, has a history of colonial dominance. Colonised by the French at the beginning of the 1600s, Canada was conquered by England during the Seven Years' War (1756-63). The Treaty of Paris, which was signed after the war, gave England control until the British North America Act of 1867 provided for the unification of the Canadian provinces and served as the country's first constitution.
On July 1, 1867, with the passage of the British North America Act, the Dominion of Canada was officially established as a self-governing jurisdiction within the British Empire. Two years later, Canada acquired the vast possessions of the Hudson's Bay Company, and within a decade the
provinces of Manitoba and Prince Edward Island had joined the Canadian federation.
Mr Speaker, I deem it very relevant to outline that Canada has a history of a unique and outstanding relations with Ghana and interactions between these two countries even date back to the pre-independence era of the Gold Coast when in 1906, Quebec missionaries established a church in Navrongo in northern Ghana, thus marking the arrival of the first Canadian presence in the country.
Since then, bilateral relations between Ghana and Canada has been strong and cordial, and has been further enhanced by the more than 60 years of cooperation on the global scene, particularly in the United Nations and the Commonwealth.
One of such relations is evidenced in trade and investments. Mr Speaker, Canada's commercial involvement in Ghana includes significant gold mining and infrastructural development. Through Canada's Enhanced Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) Strategy to Strengthen Canada's Extractive Sector Abroad, the Government of Canada helps Canadian companies strengthen their CSR practices and maximise the benefits their investments can provide to those in host countries.

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In 2016, trade between Ghana and Canada reached Canadian dollar (CAD) $265.3 million. Canadian exports totalled more than $252.3 million, while imports from Ghana reached CAD $67.2 million.

Export Development Canada has designated Ghana as one of its four (4) key markets in Sub-Saharan Africa. Other elements of interest are the presence of the Canadian Commercial Corporation and the existence of a Canada-Ghana Chamber of Commerce. Mr Speaker, Ghanaian and Canadian officials have met on many occasions in recent years to exchange and discuss proposals for bilateral Air Transport Agreement.

In October 2011 for example, both countries concluded an MoU allowing for Canadian carriers to offer code- share services to Ghana. It is worth mentioning that on Parliamentary Diplomacy, Ghana-Canada Parlia- mentary Friendship Association was the first in the 7th Parliament of Ghana to host counterpart Parliamentarians and Senators in the Parliament of Ghana in August 2017, where best legislative practices were benchmarked and shared. In exchange, the leadership of Ghana's Parliament and other Parliamentary Committees have on separate occasions visited Canada's Federal Parliament and Senate in Ottawa as

well as the Provincial Legislative Assembly of Ontario to further deepen the already cordial diplomatic relations between the two Parliaments.

Mr Speaker, Canadian relations with Africa and Ghana in particular, have resulted in significant development and humanitarian assistance. As a matter of fact, Ghana was the first country in Africa to receive development assistance from Canada in 1957 and remains an eminent development country of focus. Canada is among the top five bilateral donors to Ghana. Between 2015 and 2016, the Government of Canada contributed more than CAD $135 million in official development assistance to Ghana.

Mr Speaker, Canada's bilateral development programme has focused more on supporting climate-smart agriculture as an engine for inclusive and sustainable economic growth; improving access to and use of affordable and nutritious foods; increasing access to sanitation and hygiene services in under-served areas thereby stimulating sustainable economic growth through improving public financial management and reducing barriers to doing business, while promoting gender equality and the empowerment of women and girls. Effectively, all these interventions

serve as credible examples for Ghana, which when taken seriously, would greatly inure to our benefit.

Mr Speaker, on the occasion of Canada's 152nd Independence, it is instructive to note that the remarkable narrative of Canada as a nation-state, offers a great deal of hope and distinguished example for the people of Ghana, especially in the area of enhancing the agro-industry as well as the utilisation of our natural resources for economic gains.

At the Confederation stage, Canada was regarded as rural and underdeveloped country of approxi- mately 3.6 million people with agriculture comprising 40 per cent of the country's GDP, a total output of Canadian dollar (CAD) $388 million as at 1870 and real per capita GDP at CAD $2,700.

From this humble beginning, nonetheless, Canada has grown to become one of the most successful countries in the world with a creditably high standard of living. By 2015 for example, Canada's GDP was nearly CAD $2 trillion and its per capita GDP was approximately CAD $55,000. Presently, Canada's population of some 37 million people is 85 per cent urban while major cities regularly top international rankings for livability and quality of life.

Mr Speaker, Canada's 9.984 million square kilometre land coupled with its 202,080-kilometre coastline makes it the second largest country in the world after Russia, with considerable endowment of natural resources and population density of four people per square kilometer.

Unrelentingly, Canada's economy has grown over the years to become the 11th largest economy in the world, and has the 19th highest per capita GDP, the 10th largest exporter in the world, and ranked 9th on the Human Development Index.

Mr Speaker, I conclude by stating that the above mentioned impressive facts attributed to Canada were not achieved overnight, but as of July 1, 2019, that country had chalked 152 years since its founding, which only points out that economic success is a process and it is achieved over time.

Therefore, I believe that with hard work, able-leadership and the adoption of ingenious and novel flagship programmes like free and compulsory education, One district- One Factory and Planting for Food and Jobs among others, are the sure ways to go as a country so that we make strides to transform our dear nation into one that is economically viable and sustainable.

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On this note Mr Speaker, I sincerely wish all Canadians, particularly those living in Ghana, a Happy Independence anniversary. God bless Ghana, God bless Canada, and God bless us all.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Thank you very much, Hon Member.
I would allow two contributions and then we can move on to public business.
Mr Rockson-Nelson E.K. Dafeamekpor (NDC -- South Dayi) 12:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Statement.
Mr Speaker, Canada, is one of the countries within the Commonwealth and so as a Commonwealth country, we share a lot of things in common including our judicial system -- the common law system of adjudicating matters to the extent that a lot of laws that we promulgate in this House; sometimes, we are minded to understudy best practices from other countries. So, we visit countries like
Canada to see how they do some of these things so that we could copy and fine-tune to better suit our circum- stances.
I recall that I was part of the team from the Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs Committee that visited Canada to understudy the Office of the Special Prosecutor Act, as it presently exists in Canada. We went there to see how they operate and which invariably informed our position to promulgate ours sometime, last year.
Mr Speaker, Canada is a bilingual country; they speak English and French. The French quarter which is Quebec plays a very important role within their economy. The educational system as it is in Canada, is one of the best in the world.
Their universities such as Alberta, Manitoba, Ottawa and Toronto also contribute meaningfully towards training some top academicians from this Republic.

Mr Speaker, the point I am trying to make is that we could understudy other Parliaments.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:20 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the rule on this matter before us is that we make brief comments without introducing matters that may generate a debate.
Mr Speaker, for the avoidance of doubt and with your permission, I beg to quote the relevant provision which is Standing Order 70(2).

Mr Speaker, I started from Order 70(2), and would continue with Order 72 for them to appreciate because I do not believe in abstraction. The law must be read and interpreted as a whole. I do not know why they are becoming busy bodies. I am starting from Order 70(2) which is the relevant one, so that I would conjoin the Hon Minister and the Hon Member --
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
Hon Member, just read the relevant one.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, very well, with your permission, I quote:
72.“By the indulgence of the House and leave of Mr. Speaker a Member may, at the time appointed for statements under Order 53 (Order of Business) explain a matter of personal nature or make a statement on a matter of urgent public importance. Any statement other than a personal statement may be commented upon by other Members for a limited duration of time not exceeding one hour. The terms of any such proposed statement shall first be submitted to Mr Speaker.''
Mr Speaker, I read this provision together with 70(2), and per the practice of this House, we are not supposed to generate any debate. Therefore for my Hon Colleague to raise the issue of the Parliament of Canada and the size of their Chamber -- [Interruption]--- Mr Speaker, I need your protection.
Mr Speaker, when you were the Hon Majority Leader, you spoke against reckless heckling and that is happening now. My juniors in this Parliament are recklessly heckling me
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
Hon Member, please, continue.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so, to bring strange matters to support his brief comments, I would beg of him to be guided by our rules and stay away and remain on the path of righteousness.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
Hon Member, you know it is a topical issue so avoid that and continue.
Mr Dafeamekpor 12:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am only making the point that we could still understudy as to the size and design.
Mr Speaker, for instance if we look at the tourism sub-sector of the Canadian economy and the billions that it yields to its economy by way of --
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you asked my Hon Colleague to stay on the path defined by the Statement and he came back to say that he was stating a matter of fact so that we could learn useful lessons.
For the avoidance of doubt, as we speak today, the Parliament of Canada in Ottawa is being expanded and he knows that for a fact. The renovation would end them in expanding the Chamber and he knows that for a fact, so he should not mislead himself.
Mr Avedzi 12:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the point raised by the Hon Majority Leader, is not the fact. There is renovation on- going in the Parliament of Canada in Ottawa. If we look at even the size of the Chamber, there is no way they would expand it because it is within the main building. They are doing renovation and so that fact must be established.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Deputy Minority Leader, I have operated in that Chamber with the Hon Majority Leader before. We have moved motions on the Floor of that Chamber and so we know where it is situated, we know the size of it and we know why it is in that shape. There is history to everything.
Wait till the issue is presented for debate, and I am sure it would be done on the Floor. Many things are done outside the knowledge of Hon Members of Parliament.
The Hon Majority Leader has gone through that experience and he has assured me that the issue that is being discussed would be brought up for debate and a decision would have to be taken by the House which is the right thing to do.

So, please, stay off that issue and let us focus on the Statement. When we get to that debate, we could bring more information to bear on the decision that would be taken by the Parliament of Ghana.

It is important for me to add that even the earlier issue about the purchase of the furniture, particularly the seats for this Chamber was not a decision by the Members of Parlia- ment.

So, the public should please move away from trying to put blame on Hon Members and castigating them as if the furniture they are using in their various workplaces are that which were ordered and paid for by themselves.

It is not the duty of Members of Parliament to do that. Let us move on and focus on our Statement. It is our duty to educate the public on these matters because we are now eroding the pillar of democracy in this country which is Parliament; it is not only in Ghana but all over the world.

So, we should be courteous, careful and cautious of how we talk about Members of Parliament and Parliament as an institution. I hope that Hon Members themselves would not contribute to that negativity.

Please, let us move on.
Mr Dafeamekpor 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for your guidance.
The contribution of the Canadian government towards the development of this country could also be seen in the establishment of the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) through which funds are channelled towards advancement of programmes in this country.
Mr Speaker, indeed, sometime last year, the Canadian government established a permanent office with focus on West Africa within its government. The focus is to ensure that all the other protocols and conventions that they are also
Mr Alexander Afenyo-Markin (NPP--Effutu) 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you so much for the opportunity.
Mr Speaker, per the rules, I am limited in what I can say and I shall do just that; I am to comment briefly on this matter and I shall do just that.
Mr Speaker, let me in commenting on this matter before us commend my respected Hon Colleague for a well- researched Statement. He has given us facts and figures and I believe it is commendable. I thank him for bringing this to the attention of all of us.
Mr Speaker, the Statement itself is titled, “In Commemoration of the 152nd Canadian Independence and Lessons from Her Economic Progression”. So, our Hon Colleague has taken pains to tell us about the progress made so far by Canada and lessons that we could learn as a country from their economic progress.
Mr Speaker, on page 2 of the Statement, he takes his time to make the following points, and with your permission, I quote:
“Mr Speaker, on the occasion of Canada's 152nd Indepen- dence, it is instructive to note that the remarkable narrative of Canada as a nation-state, offers a great deal of hope and distinguished example for the people of Ghana, especially in
the area of enhancing the agro- industry as well as the utilisation of our natural resources for economic gain.”
Mr Speaker, he goes on at the last paragraph of the same page 2, I beg to quote 12:30 p.m.
“Mr Speaker, I conclude by stating that the above- mentioned impressive facts attributed to Canada were not achieved overnight, but as of July 1st 2019, this country had chalked 152 years since its founding, which only points out that economic success is a process and it is achieved over time. Therefore I believe that with hard work, able leadership and the adoption of ingenuous and novel flagship programmes like free and compulsory education, One district-One factory and Planting for Food and Jobs among others, are the sure way to go as a country…”.
Clearly, the gravamen of the intent of the Hon Member who made the Statement is the lessons to learn. If we can protect our natural resources, then, we must not front for foreigners, register companies in our names and allow them to exploit our natural resources as a country.
The Hon Member who made the Statement said that in Canada, they have made sure that their natural resources are well protected and preserved for the benefit of the country. Learning lessons from the Canadian attitude, we must make sure that we do not open up unduly for others to take advantage and turn round and blame them for exploiting our natural resources.
Mr Speaker, sadly, recently when at the University of Cape Coast the China Ambassador to Ghana addressed a gathering, he had this to say and I beg to quote:
“We, Chinese, do not know where your gold is.”
Mr Speaker, clearly, the point the Ambassador drummed home was to the effect that we should not blame them but perhaps, those Ghanaians who have been leading their nationals to where the gold is. So, we must be patriotic and that is all the Hon Member who made the Statement is saying. We must think about Ghana.
Mr Speaker, we are told by the Hon Member who made the Statement that Canada started as a rural state with a very small population but, today, what is the state of Canada? Perhaps, our fourth republican dispensation is less than 30
Mr Speaker, he goes on at the last paragraph of the same page 2, I beg to quote 12:40 p.m.
years but as a country, from independence to date, we are over 50 years. We can do better than we are doing.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member again draws our attention to the effect that when it comes to economic growth, it is not a one day event. It is a process and makes mention of the One district-One factory and Free Senior High School Education. I am relying on what the Hon Member said in his Statement.

I would want to urge every Ghanaian to begin thinking of setting up a business as it cannot always be the government.

Mr Speaker, if someone completes school and their whole intent is to wait for public sector employment, then we cannot make progress.

There are several initiatives such as the Microfinance and Small Loans Center (MASLOC), National Entreprenuership and Innovation Programme (NEIP) and opportunities in the private sector. Our youth must be encouraged to take advantage and that is a call on us by the Hon Member who made the Statement that we

should not wait on Government as in Canada, it is the private sector that is driving the economy.

The Hon Member who made the Statement is relying on GDP figures which I do not want to tackle because I am not an expert in the field of economics but relying on these facts, he is saying that the youth of Ghana must begin looking at the private sector.

He is saying that we, as Parlia- mentarians, must begin encouraging our constituents into looking at the private sector no matter the level of their vocation. This is because it is when the private sector is growing that the nation will benefit and it is not all about waiting on Government to create employment. So, I think that he has a point in there.

Mr Speaker, to conclude my brief comments, the Hon Member who made the Statement has also made a call on all of us to embrace any initiative that will be of benefit to the nation. In other words, he is urging that overly partisan conducts be relegated. That is a sine qua non call and we cannot overlook it.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Hon Member, please, you would have to end your comments.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, very well.
The Hon Member who made the Statement has cited the Free SHS programme to illustrate the point. I am relying on it to call on my Hon Colleagues to take a very positive view of this call, that we have none but Ghana.
The Free SHS programme has come to stay, let us embrace it and it will help this country to develop as it does not matter which political party introduced it in Government. Let us encourage the One District One Factirt (1D1F) no matter the situation and commend the initiative so that in the long-run, Ghanaians will benefit.
Mr Speaker, thank you so much for this great opportunity. I resume my seat.
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Hon Members, we have a Motion.
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Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Well, I will take the Hon Member as the last contributor and then my Hon Colleague, the Hon First Deputy Speaker will take over from me.
Yes, Hon Member, make it snappy.
Mr Kwame Govers Agbodza (NDC -- Adaklu) 12:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to
contribute to the Statement ably made by my Hon Colleague as regards the commemoration of the 152nd Canadian Independence Day. We wish our brothers and sisters in Canada, a happy commemoration.
Mr Speaker, we can draw a lot of correlation between Canada and Ghana. Canada, though, in terms of length of practice of democracy, are far ahead of us, we both pride ourselves as peaceful countries.
We never conduct ourselves in aggression towards our neighbours or anybody. If you see a Canadian army officer elsewhere, it will only be that they are there to maintain peace but not to behave in an aggressive manner towards --
Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Hon Members, the Hon First Deputy Speaker will take the Chair.
MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
Mr Agbodza 12:44 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so, just as Canada is a very peaceful country, Ghana conducts itself in a very peaceful manner towards our neighbours and never behave in aggression towards anybody else.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:44 p.m.
Hon Member, is this building a Parlia- mentary building?
Mr Agbodza 12:44 p.m.
Mr Speaker, that even makes the point -- that is why the last time I heard that the old Parliament building was being razed down for an office building, I, as a lover of old buildings, took up the issue privately.
However, I was told by the media reports that the Leadership of Parliament has agreed for it to be razed down and I felt very sad. I contemplated going to court but I was told that the punishment for doing that is GH¢5 and so, I gave up because the amount will not be worth what we will go through.
So the point I am making is that perhaps, we should have even remained in the old Parliament. Afterall, the 650 Hon Members of the British Parliament, do not have seats but that is Parliament.
I want to encourage Ghana, now that we draw correlation between Ghana and Canada, we should know that there are enough seats in this Chamber for every Hon Member of Parliament.
Mr Speaker, --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:44 p.m.
Yes, Hon (Dr) Boye?
Dr Bernard O. Boye 12:44 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am most grateful for the opportunity.
Before you took the Chair, we had been advised to stay off that particular topic and try not to go into very contentious matters.
The Statement had to do with Canada's progress and how we can learn from them. All this dribbling about how old their building is and its capacity, aside the debate will come to the Floor.
He has been advised not to drink the soup yet, because the food will definitely come; when he starts like this and the debate ensues, what would he do?
So, he should take the advice of the Hon Second Deputy Speaker as he is the father of the House. Mr Speaker, I am talking about the erstwhile presidential Candidate.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:44 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member, we are discussing a Statement on the 152nd Canadian Independence and the lessons from her -- Is that all right?
Mr Agbodza 12:44 p.m.
Mr Speaker, exactly.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:44 p.m.
So, let us stay within that.
Mr Agbodza 12:44 p.m.
Mr Speaker, exactly. I was talking about the political --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:44 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on. The Leadership are not here.
I think a Statement should be made on the discussion being made outside on a new Chamber when no such thing is before us. And the way Hon Members are behaving; responding left and right, I think that we should discuss this on the Floor.
I direct that the Hon Majority Leader should make a Statement on what they do at the Parliamentary Service Board which has not been publicised and yet, Hon Members are commenting as if they know the facts.
I think we should discuss them here so that the true facts come out. As it is now, everybody picks it somewhere and the things I am seeing on social media are sickening.
Hon Member, please, stay within the Statement.
Mr Agbodza 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, may God bless you.
I have no intention of making any further comments, but just to draw your attention to the fact that there
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon Member.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we must all respect the rules. It is unfair -- Hon Agbodza is not a first timer.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Second Deputy Speaker, Mr Alban Bagbin ruled on this matter when my respected Hon Colleague, Hon Dafeamekpor, took his turn to comment on the matter.
But to find a way to re-introduce this issue is to undermine the Leadership of this House and to undermine the Parliament of Ghana. Why? This matter has been ruled upon, he took advantage because the Hon Second Deputy Speaker has left the Chamber and so he wants to bring --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon Member, your point is well made.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he should retract and apologise.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon Member, let us stay within the Statement.
Mr Agbodza 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague has not been very helpful, but you were more helpful when you said that you would direct the Leadership of the House to brief Hon Members of Parliament on what we hear other people say outside Parliament about a new Chamber. And I am just saying that there is a news item by Joy FM which suggests that the Leadership of Parliament met with the Speaker and a consultant who says that a new Chamber would be built for Ghana, but Hon Members are not aware of that.
Mr Speaker, so, when you direc- ted that the Leadership should brief Hon Members, I believe that will be very helpful.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Hon Member, so, please stay within the Statement.
Mr Agbodza 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would go on to say that if Canada could draw three million visitors to an old Parliament building which was built in 1859, then it means that if we keep one building for long enough it could generate so much revenue for our country and our GDP could be like Canada's US$2 trillion.
Mr Speaker, I have no intention to prolong this debate, but at age 152, the GDP of Canada is US$2 trillion and part of that money is through tourism-like visits to their old Parliament building. So, I would encourage Ghanaians to learn a lesson from this so that we could grow our economy like Canada.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity.
Mr Vincent S. Odotei (NPP -- Dade Kotopon) 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to add a few comments to the Statement ably made by my Hon Colleague, the Hon Member for Assin South.
Mr Speaker, first of all, I would congratulate the people of Canada. I am happy to hear and see a country which in terms of history and structure is similar to our country, Ghana.
Mr Speaker, it is important that we learn from Canada because since the 20th Century, it has been said that
the growth of manufacturing, mining and services has transformed the country from a largely rural economy to an urban industrial country.
Apart from the fact that Canada is one of the largest economies in the world, there is one unique feature in Canada which I believe as a developing country we must learn. It is said that unlike other developed countries, it is the importance of the primary sector in which forestry and petroleum industries are the two most prominent components of the Canadian economy.
Mr Speaker, it is also important for us to know that Canada has a mixed economy reputed as and one of the largest suppliers of agricultural products among the developed world where she is listed as one of the leading suppliers of grains and food.
Mr Speaker, as a country, we are battling with a new structure for our economy and we keep thinking that to develop, we have to totally industrialise our economy.
Mr Speaker, this is correct; but the experience of Canada, where about 70 per cent of the people live just 100 kilometres from the south of the United States border shows the ingenuity of the people; a mixture of
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Does the Leadership wish to contribute to this debate? [Pause] This brings us to the end of Statements.
At the commencement of Public Business -- item numbered 5.
Hon Majority Leader, are we ready to move the Motion?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes. The Hon Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee is here and so I believe we could take item numbered 5.
MOTIONS 12:50 p.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
Yes, Hon Ranking Member?
Mr Kofi Okyere-Agyekum (NPP - Fanteakwa South) 1 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion for this House to adopt the Report of the PAC on the report of the Auditor- General on the public accounts of pre- university educational institutions for the financial year ended 31st December, 2015. In doing so, I would like to make a few comments.
Mr Speaker, among other findings, one of the recurrent infractions we observed was Parent Teacher Associations' refusal for the Auditor- General to audit their accounts. They consider their accounts as not being
public accounts and therefore should not be audited. This is an issue that the Committee disagrees with and urges the Ghana Education Service (GES) to give clear directives to ensure that the accounts of (PTAs) are audited.
Mr Speaker, if you look at paragraph 6.2 of the Report, three institutions did not allow an amount of GH¢216,000.00 of PTA funds to be audited. They were only three institutions -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon Ranking Member, this is an issue that I think we should interrogate further. Are parent teacher associations part of GES? If they are, is it amenable to the Auditor-General? I think we should not just leave it to the GES
to give directives. This House must discuss and come to a conclusion on whether they should be considered as part of GES, to be amenable to the Auditor-General.
We should not just raise the matter. I would want to hear Hon Members' contributions on that particular issue so that we can draw a conclusion.
Mr Okyere-Agyekum 1 p.m.
Mr Speaker, are you suggesting that the issue be debated now or maybe later?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
I think before we put the Question on the Motion, we must draw some conclusion. This is because, your recommendation is that the GES should provide directives, but I think it is this House that should do that.
Mr Okyere-Agyekum 1 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the view of the Committee is that parent teacher association funds are also public funds contributed by parents, therefore, they should be subject to audit. The parent teacher associations do not account to the schools on these funds. I do not have any objection if you would want us to look at it.
Mr Speaker, another issue that came to the attention of the Committee was the practice where
huge sums of cash are used for transactions. We are of the view that this would lead to irregularities where a lot of purchases are made with cash.
Most of the institutions are of the view that items such as kontomire, pepper, onions and salt are difficult to buy from recognised institutions, and therefore they resort to cash purchases.
Mr Speaker, the Committee is of the view that there should be a way to ensure that these are regularised to minimise the resort to huge sums of cash for these purchases. In paragraph 6.1 of the Report, about 12 institutions which were examined used over GH¢610,000.00 to transact business in cash.
Mr Speaker another issue of contention is unpaid rents by officers and managers of schools who use government bungalows. We noticed that most of the rent which are to be paid are ridiculously low, and even those amounts are not paid because some of them think it is part of their service conditions.
Therefore we recommend that those who are not prepared to pay rents for occupying school properties should be ejected for those who are prepared to pay to be put in there.
Mr Okyere-Agyekum 1:10 p.m.
Again, Mr Speaker, on paragraph 6.8, we had about 34 schools where advances have been given to staff amounting to GH¢315,000.00, and they were refusing to pay.

We noticed that most of these advances are given to staff and they are not covered by any agreement with regard to payment terms. So it becomes difficult for the officers to determine even how much of the amount is outstanding and how much is not outstanding.

So we recommend that before any officer is given any advance, that advance should be covered by an agreement that would make it very easy for the money to be refunded, and for it to be monitored.

Mr Speaker, there were also a lot of payments made for repairs and works that were not covered by work certificates and performance certificates, and we recognised that this was likely to lead to abuse of funds, where auditors would not be able to ascertain whether the works were awarded at all and whether the moneys that were paid were for performance, because there were no documents to authenticate these findings.

Mr Speaker, finally, we noticed under paragraph 6.11 of the Auditor- Generl's report that seven schools had paid moneys into the banks totalling GH¢538,000.00, and these moneys had not been credited to the schools, mainly because accounting officers and heads of entities were not making sure that reconciliation was done and moneys paid into the accounts were actually credited to the account.

Mr Speaker, these were only seven schools. If you look at the number of schools and institutions that we have in this country, you can begin to quantify how much of their money is probably going into the wrong hands.

Mr Speaker, with these few words, I would urge Hon Members to support and approve the Motion.

Question proposed.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon Member for Wa West, I would listen to you, but I want to hear from Hon Kpodo. He appears to be strong on whether or not Parent Teacher Association (PTA) dues should be part of public funds. I would like to hear him then I would come to you.
Mr Benjamin Komla Kpodo (NDC -- Ho Central) 1:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the issue of whether PTA dues can be classified as public funds must be traced to how the money came to be collected in the first place.
You would find in school bills that the Ghana Education Service (GES) gives formal approval for such mo- neys to be collected from students, and indeed, when the student is billed and he does not pay, the school takes steps to enforce payment from the student. They can impose all sorts of disciplinary measures.
They can withhold the student's examination results, they can hold him from entering the examination room --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
They can withhold your results for not paying PTA dues?
Mr Kpodo 1:10 p.m.
Once you owe fees --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
No, I would want us to be clear. Fees are statutory charges set. PTA dues are the dues of an association, and that is why I want us to be sure of what we are talking about. Even though they may be added to a bill, does it make it a public fund? Let us discuss this dispassionately.
Mr Kpodo 1:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, because the GES is a statutory institution, when it gives approval, then it becomes State funds, and it is lodged into school accounts, signed by the heads of the schools who are officials of the institutions, so they must be properly accounted for.
We cannot just allow the operators of the PTA to collect and misappropriate, because if the student does not go to the school under an official admission, he or she would not be compelled to pay that fee.
So I think it is part of school fees which must be audited by the Auditor- General alongside other moneys that go to the school.
Mr Kwabena Ohemeng-Tinyase (NPP-Kade) 1:10 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
I am speaking from the point that I have been the board chairman of a school, and sincerely speaking, PTA funds are not public funds.
Even though they are structured in such a way that payments are made through the school and the school sometimes enforces the payment through the bills, they have a separate account, they have their own structure, and they spend their own money.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
I want to hear from the Hon Member for Wa West. I have heard accoun- tants, I want to hear a lawyer.
Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh (NDC -- Wa West) 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much.
I think that on this issue of PTA dues, they issue receipts. I would like to find out from the Committee whether they issue GCRs. If they issue GCRs, then it is public funds, from my own understanding of the issue.
The second issue is that once you collect moneys from members of the public for a public purpose, by that alone, you should be audited. Otherwise, why have we put it in the
Political Parties Law that there should be an audit of the political parties' expenditure and contributions? These are voluntary groups. Are we forced to be there?
But if there is any gap in this matter, we have to look at what to do to include them. I believe that when it comes to anything that involves the public contributing and requires government institutions to be involved in the collection, there must be a way to audit those moneys. If we do not do that, then anybody under the guise of a voluntary association would begin to bring problems to us.
In fact, if the school did not exist and the parents and students were not there, they could go and form their association anywhere, but once they operate in the name of the school --

Some of them are doing commen- dable jobs with the contributions that they make but with the Free Senior High School Programme now, it has become an enigma. Nobody wants to be heard to be asking students to contribute; otherwise, they have gone against the Free Senior High School Programme.

If we also, as a Parliament, sit down for public institutions to form voluntary groups to allow people to contribute money without proper accountability, then we are not doing the right thing.

I do not know which other law prohibits us from allowing this audit to be done. It is commonsensical for us to therefore look at the gap, if there is any. I believe that so long as they issue GCRs, then they become part of public funds. The purpose is to support the running of schools, and therefore, we should not shy away from it.

We could send the auditors there, if that is what they want, and if they believe that they have a case, then they could go to court. Even before they decide to go to court, we should also look at the law and ensure that we amend it appropriately for them to be audited. This is my view on this matter.

Mr Speaker, looking at the Report, I realised that the Committee has made serious recommendations. These recommendations have always been discussed; so, what is the follow-up? Fortunately, now, the Auditor-General surcharges people. However, the surcharge has to follow a procedure. If we believe that some- body has expended money upon
Mr William Agyapong Quaittoo (NPP -- Akim Oda) 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my answer to the debate on whether PTA dues are State funds or not is that, they are not. Just like my Hon Colleague on the other side of the House, I have also been a PTA Chairman for a long time, for a number of schools.
Mr Speaker, a time came where PTA dues were charged arbitrarily in most schools. The Ghana Education Service (GES) came out with a policy that before any school could charge any fees, they had to write to them to justify what they needed the fees for; for it to be approved before the dues could be charged.
This is because it affected the parents who paid the moneys. When this was done, my former school for instance always held a meeting and wrote to the Director of Education. He or she then forwarded it to the regional or national level for approval to be given before the dues were taken.
Mr Speaker, the schools had a different receipt book from the receipt book that was given to them by GES. This is because that money belonged to the parents and the
teachers for specific projects in the school.
So, if they tell us that they would not subject that amount to the audit by Government, I do not believe that there is anything wrong with it. This is because at that time when I was there, the parents and teachers had their own auditors. Some of the parents are accountants and some are auditors, so when they pay these fees, of course, they --
Mr Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
On a point of Order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member said that the PTA had their own auditors, but that is not the case. They do not have auditors, but their accounts may be audited by --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
The Hon Member only referred to the case of where he had been a PTA chairman. So I believe we are not talking about the same thing.
Mr Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I do not believe that those PTAs had auditors who audited their accounts. There- fore the point is that their accounts must be audited.
Mr Quaittoo 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I refer to an ideal situation, where a parent pays money to an association, where the money belongs to all of them. In
that case, one has to then ensure that the moneys paid are audited and used for the purpose for which they are paid.
As the chairman of a PTA who served for over six years, that was what I did. We had our own receipt books, different from the receipt books of the Government, and we paid these moneys into the PTA Account. We had parents who were accountants and auditors, who from time to time audited the accounts and verified whether the moneys that were being paid were used for the intended purposes -- building projects and all that.
The school therefore had no authority whatsoever over that money. I do not see why that money should be part of the school's money. Currently, what goes on is that we have the free SHS system where the total money paid to schools by Government is divided into two -- perishable and non- perishable items.
A calculation and a formula has been developed, where at the beginning of every term, a certain amount of money is sent to every school for the purchase of the perishable food items and other items like gas. The schools get that money directly from --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, you would hold on.
Yes, Hon Agbodza?
Mr Agbodza 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, initially, you made a very important point when the debate started, which was to find out whether these moneys could be classified as public funds or not.
In my Hon Colleague's presenta- tion, he gives the impression that when one of the parents, who is part of the PTA is an auditor, he periodically audits their accounts. That defeats the purpose of the audit.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, he is not out of order.
The critical point was that it is not public funds, but that they are their private funds; and that is how they arranged their audit. That may, however, be subject to other interpretations.
Hon Member, you may continue.
Mr Quaittoo 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, if they would want to extend this argument, then they must as well say that all churches and other voluntary organisations must be audited. The moneys raised by churches, are they public funds? Are they audited by the
public? Is it not people who pay the moneys to the pastors and the leaders of the churches?
Mr Speaker, therefore, PTA funds, to me, are not public funds. We keep separate receipts for that and then the association itself manages the money. They audit it themselves.
During the audit, the PTA chairman would be present in addition to another teacher; so the leaders of the funds are audited by themselves. I therefore, do not believe that they are public funds.
Mr Speaker, funds to schools now are in two folds. We have the individual food suppliers, headed by the National Food Buffer Stock Company (NAFCO), which supplies the food needs of every senior high school. NAFCO takes the invoices to the Ministry of Education and the GES for them to be paid.
For the perishable ones, each school is given a certain portion of the money that each school is entitled to for them to spend. For this money, each school keeps an account of it, and issue receipts to whatever transactions they do.
When a school needs vegetables for instance, because that is perishable and not supplied by NAFCO, the
school may decide to buy it on its own, and present a receipt for it. A judicious account is therefore given.
If someone says that they are given honour certificates, then that is out of order.

This is because if someone supplies something to another, the receiver requests a receipt. Sometimes, even if they do not have receipts, as we sit at various levels, we tell the person that if he wants to do business with us, please they have to of course get a receipt book; they have to register the company. Even if they are supplying tomatoes or onions or whatever.

So the use of honour certificates as is rightly put here is not acceptable. -- [Interruption.] I said that what has been reported here is good; the schools do not have to issue honour certificates for the transactions that they do because in schools, as we were told, even if we pick a paper and the supplier writes on it and signs with a stamp, it becomes an authen- ticated receipt, is that not it?

But for the schools themselves buying and writing honour certificates and say that they have paid for these

where the suppliers' receipt would not support that, that is wrong. So I am substantiating what has been put in the Report.

When we go for meetings, the Director-General has often mentioned this, that whenever they are buying with the Government's money, they should ensure that they get a receipt for it; be it on a cement paper or whatever, that is a receipt and they have to do it.

So we should encourage or caution the headteachers of various schools who are practising this to put a stop to it. That is not too good.

Mr Speaker, again, on handling of cash. I do not see how they should be handling lots of cash to do business. This is because the money is transferred directly from the Ministry of Education or Ghana Education Service to the schools' accounts for the purchase of those things.

So they are no longer the ones collecting school fees. It is past and gone. The last batch is what we saw with the third batch. From September, no school would have the opportunity of collecting fees from any student. Every fee would be paid by the Government.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Leadership? The Leader is also the Hon Chairman of the Committee. Well, if you nominate somebody, I would give the opportunity to the person.
Mr Avedzi 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would nominate Hon Kpodo.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Kpodo has spoken already.
Mr Avedzi 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, sorry, Hon Quashigah rather. But we have to take a decision on the PTA issue.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Sorry, it is the same issue. I did not limit you; you chose to concentrate on that. Our rules frown on one person having two bites.
Yes, Hon Quashigah?
Mr Richard Mawuli K. Quashi- gah (NDC -- Keta) 1:30 p.m.
Thank you Mr Speaker for the opportunity.
It appears to me that there is a subtle conspiracy to prevent me from commenting in this Chamber. But the gods of Anlo would not permit that.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member for Keta, kindly withdraw the allegation of conspiracy and the gods of Keta should be kept at Keta.
Mr Quashigah 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I withdraw that but that was just on a lighter note. [Interruption] -- I believe in one God; the God of heaven who presides over the people of Anlo and the Anloland.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. I think that beyond —
Mr Kpodo 1:30 p.m.
On a point of Order. Mr Speaker, the problem I have is that the gods from that side of the
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member for Keta, you have frightened people with the gods from that side of the country so —
Mr Quashigah 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in fact, I worship only one God that is the most powerful God and if that is the God he is afraid of, then, so be it. --[Interruption]- Yahweh, the Almighty God. [Laughter.]
Mr Speaker, beyond the issue of PTA dues, I think that the Report also captures very serious matters. For instance, when we turn to page 24, paragraph 629, it talks about abandoned projects.
These are projects that were being financed by GETFund and for six years or thereabout, they have been left unattended to. Meanwhile, an amount of GH¢918,000 had been sunk into some of these projects. Mr Speaker, I think that as a nation, we should be very worried about some of these things.
Again, the schools complained about their non-involvement in the award of projects. GETFund awards
contracts, a contractor appears on their campus and decides that well, this is the project that he is supposed to build for them. And I think that is not good enough.
So there would be the need for the Ministry of Education to get GETFund to do what is right and proper so that the school authorities would be involved in some of these projects to determine whether this is exactly the kind of project they need at a particular point in time, where the project could be sited and all that.
If GETFund is not ready to start and finish, then, there is no point in starting in the first place. There is a case in my own backyard in Keta Constituency, where this project has been abandoned at lintel level and nothing is happening.
Mr Speaker, apart from that, the issue of unpaid utility bills to the tune of GH¢531,472.22 —
Mr Ohemeng-Tinyase 1:30 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I beg to differ from my Hon Colleague on the grounds that these days, the Government has taken it up and has done —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member, let us go to the Standing Orders to guide us; Order 93 guides
Mr Ohemeng-Tinyase 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am raising the point of order on the fact that there is an inventory on the infrastructure done by the GES in consultation with the school administration before these projects are executed.
The problem with contractors and sometimes, the school authorities is that the projects are never com- pleted by the contractors either for lack of funds or the poor per- formance of the —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
What has the Hon Member said which is not borne out of the Report?
Mr Ohemeng-Tinyase 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, what he said was that the authorities are not involved in the decision —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
But that is your Report; that is what the Report says. He is speaking to the Report so he is not out of order.
Mr Quashigah 1:40 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Hon Ohemeng- Tinyase is a member of the Committee and I am surprised that he got up to oppose
what I said, which is contained in the Report.

Mr Speaker, on page 13, para- graph 6.24, it talks about unpaid utility bills. This is a 2015 Report that we are looking at and as of the time the schools came before the Committee, there was still an outstanding balance of GH¢433,472.2 to be paid to the utility service providers.

How do we expect to have constant electric power and potable water when about twenty schools are owing that much? And if we extend this to other institutions in this country, we could well imagine that we are the reasons these service providers are not giving us the best of services up to today.

We are in 2019; but since 2015, the schools still owe utility providers this colossal amount of money. This is just 20 schools. It is not good enough, and the Government must find a way to address this issue of utility bills owed by the schools to enable the service providers have relief.

Mr Speaker, again on unpaid staff advances for 2015, GH¢315,809.30 was the total sum of money that was

advanced to some schools, but up till now, the outstanding balance is GH¢118,148.12. I think that like the Hon Chairman earlier alluded to, the internal mechanisms appear to be weak because if staff had been advanced some moneys, there must be some rigorous procedures to ensure that they pay.

However, if after five years, they have still not paid moneys that were advanced to them, where are we heading to? I am sure by this time, some of these persons who are being talked about might have exited our world or retired, and collecting these moneys would become a problem. After 10 years, it would be said to be bad debts and they should be written off.

Mr Speaker, I have been on the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) for seven years; year in year out, the story is the same. We are not making any progress in adhering to the rules and laws of this country, and sometimes I wonder. This is a nation of laws, and we have very fantastic and excellent laws; but it appears that we are a lawless bunch of people.

If we can repeat the same action over and over again, and then name and shame these people on national television and before camera, yet they

have the penchant to repeat same, then it means that, as a society, something is wrong with us. That is why the bold decisions taken by the Auditor-General, Mr Domelevo, to descend heavily on those engaged in some malfeasance, and those refusing to repent and do what is right and proper are refreshing.

Mr Speaker, the PAC Reports must be given a new bite in this Chamber. We present these Reports, and that is the end. Something more rigorous ought to be done and it must not just be business as usual, where we would meet the people before the cameras and that is it.

Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 a.m.
Yes, Majority Leadership?
Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu) 1:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I regret to observe that many of these things that we do are becoming rather ritualistic.
First of all, I would like to seek some clarification in respect of paragraph 6.12 on page 13 of the Report which is on unpaid utility bills. It reads:
“Bolga Girls SHS owed a total of GH¢531,472.22 to utility service providers. The amount
Mr Avedzi 1:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, this is what the Report says, but I believe that the northern part of the country is not served by ECG but by NEDCo. So, I believe that this must be NEDCo. The amount involved is about electricity consumption by the schools, and then a portion for water consumption; but that is what the Report captures.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the sense is understood, but the proper thing should be captured. It cannot be the case that VRA sold power directly to Bolga Girls' SHS. They owe electricity charges, and it was for the PAC to have interrogated the issue and, maybe, done some reconciliation there. [Interruption.] Is it an oversight? It is dangerous for
PAC to engage in such an oversight. [Interruption.] He said so. It did not come from the Hon Chairman? [Laughter.]
Mr Speaker, as I said, we go back to the issues that we raised earlier. The Report identifies weak internal audit mechanisms in all these institutions, and there is a call on us to strengthen internal audit in the various institutions. That is a sine qua non.
As I said, we keep talking about the same thing over and again. The non-compliance with legislative framework is again ritualistic. We talk about them every year. This is due to the lack of commitment from heads of institutions to ensure that the proper thing is done by the finance de- partments of their various institutions.
Mr Speaker, we must interrogate what would really occasion that the heads adopt some carefree attitudes towards the administration of finance in their institutions. Again, we keep raising these same matters. What is the motivation of the heads to look elsewhere in the face of these improprieties?
That is the issue because the heads are ultimately accountable. Yet, we keep reporting year on year that they look elsewhere in the face of such
improprieties. So we should go behind the curtains to interrogate the issue further. Why do they apply themselves to that vehicle of see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil, perhaps?
Mr Speaker, there must be some motivation for this, and that should be our concern. The Ghana Education Service (GES) must devise better monitoring procedures to ensure propriety as far as finances are concerned.
Every year, we talk about this, and that is the reason I think that Parliament should have the competence to direct the Auditor- General's Department not to spread itself very thin over every blade of grass, but delve deeper into certain areas of our governance.
Perhaps in a year we could say, could they have a better look at the utilisation of finances in respect of the pre-tertiary institutions to see what happens there? Another year, let us see what happens with the district assemblies.
Mr Speaker, we shall see greater skeletons. It looks like because they spread themselves so thinly, they are not able to get to the bottom of many of these matters. Yet, they are to assist
us to fashion out the relevant legislation to stop further procreation of such malfeasance.

How is Parliament to be enabled to pass the appropriate legislation if we cannot get to the bottom of these matters?

Mr Speaker, it is most unfortunate that the Constitution does not provide us with such competence to direct the Auditor-General to look into certain areas with perhaps, cleaner pairs of glasses than they have done. That is not to say that they are not doing well they are doing quite well.

To set the records straight, this report was not produced by the current Auditor-General, Mr Domelevo, as the Hon Quashigah tried to make it sound. This is the 2015 Report, and Mr Domelevo was not in charge then.

We should commend the Auditor- General at the time and, indeed, the institution; but there is a lot left that must be done by the Auditor-General, and I think we should have a second look at the Constitution. It cannot be right that Parliament, cannot have any hand in how the Auditor-General who works to Parliament conducts his business to serve Parliament better.
Mr Speaker, with your permission, if I may quote article 187(6). It says 1:50 p.m.
“Parliament shall debate the report of the Auditor-General and appoint where necessary, in the public interest, a committee to deal with any matters arising from it''.
Mr Speaker, the public interest arises where there are infractions, and we have failed all these years to deal with this matter. I would plead with
the Chair to give us a direction in this regard as to what to do.
Mr Speaker, I do not want to be utterly loquacious on this because Hon Members have spoken to most of the salient issues, except to thank you for the space granted.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
I am looking at article 187(6). I noticed that I said it should be compared with Standing Order 168(2), which refers to the Business Committee of the House. I wonder whether the Business Committee --
I made this note four years ago or so when the Rt Hon Speaker then, Rt Hon Doe Ajaho, raised the matter as to what we should do after the Report. I have just been considering whether at the beginning of every year, the Auditor-General's Report should not start with the summary of what actions have been taken on the previous Reports?
The Reports come to us and we make recommendations, but we do not have any feedback as to what should be done.
The Hon Majority Leader has suggested that we should form a Committee to deal with the outcomes of the audit, relying on article 187(6).
I would want us to consider the major or salient issues that the specific Committee which we would refer it to, would deal with. The infractions are many and varied; but if there are major ones for which we should have another Committee, as proposed in article 187(6), it should be discussed.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is the reason I asked the Hon Chairman of the Committee to have a conversation with a former Hon Chairman of the Committee, Hon Kan Dapaah, because we have travelled that road. When we came to establish the Committee, we went beyond constituting a special Committee in this House to deal with it.
We suggested to ourselves, at the time, that we should involve some members of the judiciary; but there were issues in relation to who should chair the Committee and so on. That stalled the formation of that Committee.
Mr Speaker, it would be realised that the formation of such Committees, where improprieties are observed, is not limited only to the other public institutions. Indeed, article 184(4) of the Constitution uses about the same language when it comes to probing foreign exchange dealings with the
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Shall I leave it with the Leadership then to confer and advice the House?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:50 p.m.
Very well, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
I will do that.
Yes, Hon Alhaji Fuseini?
Alhaji I.A. B. Fuseini (NDC -- Tamale Central) 2 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it appears that the work of the Public Accounts Committee does not end with the presentation of their Report. It also appears that, strictly speaking, the Auditor-General be an officer of this House.
As custodians of the public purse, we make allocations of public resources to Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) and how they should be utilised because public resources are utilised by public agencies. That is why article 187 sets up the Auditor-General's Report to report back to this House on how those resources have been used within a year.
Mr Speaker, when the Report comes, it does not end in this House. The Auditor-General has respon- sibilities under article 187(9) and (10). That is a person aggrieved -- If a person is aggrieved by a surcharge or any other findings of the Auditor- General, he or she has recourse to the High Court.
Mr Speaker, as a House, we might not know what happens in the High Court, and that was why I started by saying that the work of the Public Accounts Committee does not end
with the presentation of the Report. By their remit, they have a responsibility to continue to pursue matters that came before them, which might end in court or result in the retrieval of moneys that have been lost to the State.
Mr Speaker, that is where I agree with you that every year, we consider a report and that is all. It is not about the Committee; it is already in place.
It is about the Public Accounts Committee coming back every year to tell us that when we made these findings the previous year and these people were sent to court, this was how much that was retrieved. We would then know that we are making progress; other than that, it is the same complaint that would continue to come time and again.
I thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Avedzi 2 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I think that section 86 of the Public Financial Management Act, 2016 (Act 921) made provision for audit committees to be established at all the covered entities. The duty of the audit committee is to ensure that the recommendations of Parliament on the Report of the Auditor-General are implemented by the heads of the entities. That report has started
coming to the House on the status of the audit report implementation.
Mr Speaker, the recommendations that are made by the Public Accounts Committee and adopted or approved by the House on various MDAs or covered entities need to be dealt with by those reports.
The issue about the Public Accounts Committee coming back to the House that this is the outcome of what we have recommended is the work that is now being done by the audit committees. We just want to draw the attention of the House to this.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
I think that is the recommendation of strengthening institutional arrange- ments, and ensuring compliance with them and with the existing rules. Who reports back to the House on recommendations that people should be prosecuted or they refund moneys?
I think that we should have some feedback that those recommendations have been carried through or imple- mented this way; this person has been prosecuted or that person has made this reparation or otherwise. Else, we would not get any feedback.
Mr Benjamin K. Kpodo 2 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am thinking of a novelty. We, as Hon MPs, should also be
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Sorry, Hon Kpodo.
Hon Members, having regards to the state of the Business of the House, I direct that the House sits outside the regular Sitting hours.
Hon Member, you may continue.
Mr Kpodo 2 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Hon MPs should also be interested in issues that are raised, especially when institutions or schools like these at the pre-tertiary level are mentioned from our very constituencies. In spite of any official sanctions that may be taken against heads or even officials of the institutions, it would be necessary for us as individuals to take interest in some of these things.
For instance, if we hear of Manya Krobo Secondary School in an infraction, we may ask Hon Joseph Tetteh or Hon Terlabi to go and find out what exactly the case is. Also, we can ask Hon John Jinapor to take interest in infractions concerning Buipe Technical and Vocational School.
Hon Kennedy Agyapong could pay a visit to Assin Manso Senior High School and find out what is happening. [Laughter.] Then Hon Dr Okoe Boye could go to Presbyterian
Senior High School, Teshie, with the report and find out what they are doing about it.
Mr Speaker, in fact, I have a long list of them, which I would have brought up in my contribution.
As an additional step, morally, we should be individually interested in going to these schools that are named and shamed in our reports, so that we could improve their performance. It is not necessarily to go and punish anybody.
We do not have the power to punish people; but if I hear that there is such an infraction in Ola Senior High School in Ho, I will go to the head- mistress and find out why these things have come to the Floor of Parliament.
Mr Speaker, so I think we should also be equally interested in what happens in our respective institutions.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Well, Hon Member, I think that is why they are given a hearing here. If you wanted to assist them, you would have probably gone and brought them here.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I really share the same views of my Hon Colleague, but he does not
need to say this here. He was elected on the wings of NDC for Ho Central. Immediately they are elected, they represent the entirety of the country. So it does not even have to lie with the Hon Member of Parliament alone.
That is why I have always insisted that once the budget cycle starts rolling out, we do not need the Public Accounts Committee to be seized off reports from the Auditor-General before we do our oversight res- ponsibilities. A Committee of Parliament is charged with that responsibility.
Once the cycle starts rolling out, we have a duty to touch base wherever, and that is why they go on these working visits. What do they go to do? Do they go as tourists? They do not go as tourists, but they are to go into these matters.
Mr Speaker, as an Hon Member of Parliament, if there are any infractions in Akatsi Senior High School, I can go and have a conversation with the headmistress or headmaster that this is what we have observed and we would like to know what he or she is doing to remedy the situation. It lies with all of us. So, it does not have to be the Hon
Member of Parliament for that particular constituency.
Mr Speaker, I agree with him, but it is a charge that we already have, especially, working through the Committees.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Very well, Hon Members, I still stand by my earlier suggestion that the Hon Leaders should consult and advise the House on the way forward with regard to the Committees.
Question put and Motion agreed to.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, there is item numbered 6; Motion.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Chairman of the Committee informs us that the Report is not ready.

So, Mr Speaker, we will rather attend to the Order Paper Adden- dum.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Very well.
Order Paper Addendum -- Presentation of Papers by the Hon Majority Leader and Minister for Parliamentary Affairs.
-- 2:10 p.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, these Regulations that have just been laid, as is mandatory, would require 21 Sitting days after they have been laid for them to mature.
Mr Speaker, we have indicated to ourselves that Parliament would adjourn on 2nd August, 2019. Between now and 2nd August, 2019 and not counting today, we would have 18 Sitting days.
This then would mean that we need to create three additional Sitting days, and some Mondays would have to be conscripted. Between now and the
2nd of August, 2019, we have four Mondays. This Monday will be too early; but the Monday following the next, perhaps, we may have to Sit in order to generate the three additional Sitting days. If it becomes necessary, perhaps, we will have a Sitting on a Saturday.
Mr Speaker, so, that is where we are, and we would request the Committee on Subsidiary Legislation to work assiduously on this and submit their own Report to us before we adjourn.
Having said that, the next item is the Vigilantism and Related Offences Bill. Some work has been done on the Bill. I would want to entreat the standing winnowing committee plus those who have submitted amend- ments to let us meet at 4 o'clock to attempt some reconciliation in order for us to start the clause-by-clause consideration tomorrow.
Mr Speaker, once again, this is to invite Hon Members of that standing committee to let us meet at the 7th floor, west wing of the Tower Block, at 4 o'clock.
Thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Very well.
Hon Members, it is past 2 o'clock, so I adjourn the House until tomorrow Thursday, 4th July, 2019 at 10 o'clock in the forenoon.
ADJOURNMENT 2:10 p.m.