Debates of 27 Oct 2021

MR SPEAKER
PRAYERS 11:15 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Hon Members, we
will start with the correction of Votes
and Proceedings of Tuesday, 26th
October, 2021.
Page 1, 2 …9 -
Mr Iddrisu Habib 11:15 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
yesterday, I think I saw my nephew;
Hon Alhassan Suhuyini Sayibu - Member of Parliament for Tamale
North in the Chamber but he has been
marked absent on page 8, item
numbered 71.
Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Please, Table
Office, take note.
Page 10, 11 -
Mr Haruna Iddrisu 11:15 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
on page 11, even though I raised the
issue, procedurally, the Table Office
would have to vet the proceedings of
that particular day so that it is not as if
I only used yesterday's opportunity to do a Second Consideration of that
matter when I referred to the oath to
be sworn before the President or such
other person as the President may
designate.
What I did yesterday was
appropriate but they have to go back
to the records to reconcile it. Other
than that it would seem as
though, if a matter passes through
Consideration Stage, I just came
through a window to be able to correct
it and that would be wrong to our
procedure and practice. Even though I
am holding the Constitution which is
what is appropriate but I cannot
vividly recall what happened the day
we Considered that particular Bill. So,
if what we did at the time is consistent
with this, that is acceptable, but if it is
not, Mr Speaker, you would have to
give a direction on that. Other than

that tomorrow, anybody would rise up

during the correction of Votes and

Proceedings to seek to tamper with

decisions that were taken at the

Consideration Stage.
Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Table Office, the
Hon Minority Leader is right. Can
you testify and was that the decision
taken by the House when the Bill was
being considered or it is just because
of his intervention yesterday? I ask
this because we did direct that you
should cross-check to make sure that
the decision that was taken by the
House is what was captured as part of
the Votes and Proceedings.
So, what you have done now gives
the impression that this is the decision
of the House. Is that the situation?
Please, let us know.
All right, we will proceed so that
when they get the response, they will
get back to us.
Page 12 …14 -
Mr H. Iddrisu 11:15 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
except that my Twi is not that rich but
on page 12, I wish the word in bracket
next to “Nana Kwame Ampadu” I wish somebody fluent
in Twi did the pronunciation
(Nwomtofuo Hene).
Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Pardon me? What
page?
Mr H. Iddrisu 11:15 a.m.
Mr Speaker, page
12.
Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Hon Member, are
you back to page 12?
Mr H. Iddrisu 11:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, yes.
The Hon Member is saying that it is
correct. I have my research team and
the spelling they sent to me was
(Onyumtofuo) but I am just saying for
the records that this is linguistics.
I admit that maybe, the Hon Second
Deputy Speaker must take interest in
this matter since it is about the Twi
language. Mr Speaker, whatever
“hene” it is must be spelt correctly and
linguistically. I am unable to reconcile
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:25 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
Can any Hon
Member clarify whether what we
have is correct.
Well, the authority says this is the
right one and it is talking about the
chief of a group of musicians. If it is
one person then your point comes in.
Page 13, 14, 15 -
Mr Rockson-Nelson E. K.
Dafeamekpor: Mr Speaker, under
item numbered (g), I believe the word
‘for' should come after “responsible”
to read: ‘By the Hon Minister
responsible for Parliamentary Affairs,
Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu on
behalf of the Hon Minister
responsible for Public Enterprises.
Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
Hon Member, you
are right. The Table Office should
kindly take note.
Page 16, 17 … 19.
Hon Members, in the absence of
any further corrections, the Votes and
Proceedings of the First Sitting, of the
Third Meeting, for the First Session
held on Tuesday, 26th October, 2021
as corrected is hereby adopted as the
true record of proceedings.
Hon Members, we have two
Official Reports for correction.
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Friday, 18th June, 2021.]
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Tuesday, 22nd June, 2021.]
  • Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Hon Members, we
    would move to item numbered 5 and
    fortunately, I have a number of
    VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:25 a.m.

    rose
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Hon Member, you
    are on your feet.
    Mr A. Ibrahim 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if I
    heard you clearly then it means all
    Statements and Questions from both
    Sides of the House would have to
    come through the nominated Hon
    Leader so that there would be sanity.
    I think the directive is in the right
    order.

    Mr Speaker, however, after they

    have been submitted to you, I wish

    that if the Hon Members who

    submitted the Questions or

    Statements to Leadership would be

    notified in advance the day that the

    Statement has been scheduled to be

    presented on the Floor. Mr Speaker,

    because sometimes there is a vacuum

    since a Statement may be admitted by

    your good self and you would notify

    the Hon Leaders at the pre-Sitting

    briefing that you have admitted two

    Statements for today, but maybe the

    Hon Member who submitted the

    Statement either at the beginning of

    the week or the previous week may be

    absent on the day that the Statement is

    to be presented. Mr Speaker, so if we

    can be notified in advance of the day

    that the Statement would be taken on

    the Floor, I think it would close this

    vacuum and there would be sanity.

    Mr Speaker, I just want your

    guidance on this.
    Mr Speaker 11:35 p.m.
    Well, it is a good
    proposal but the challenge we have is
    the nature of business for the day.
    Sometimes we may want to take a
    number of Statements but there may
    be so much business such that
    Leadership would say that we do not
    have time to take these number of
    Statements so we may have to delay
    or take it another day.
    Another reason may be that,
    timing of the Statements is very
    important. When it is delivered at the
    appropriate time, it gets the maximum
    impact. When you delay it for far too
    long, it loses its value, particularly for
    urgent Statements and some
    Statements of political value. That is
    what you are here for. You are
    partisan politicians, and there is
    nothing wrong with it. That is why we
    opted for partisan politics. So it is
    permitted to be partisan on the Floor
    of the House and to represent your
    constituency. Only we do that in
    civility and decency.
    I am still going through plenty of
    the Statements. I think from next
    week we would start taking
    Statements.
    Mr Francis-Xavier K. Sosu 11:35 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I rise on Order 73 of the
    Standing Orders of this House to
    bring a complaint of a contempt of the
    Parliament of Ghana before the Rt
    Hon Speaker for him to make
    appropriate orders in respect of same.

    Mr Speaker, I request that this

    House cites A. C. P. Isaac Kojo

    Asante who is the Regional

    Operations Commander of the

    Greater Accra Region and A. C. P.

    Eric Winful who is the Divisional

    Commander of the Adentan-Abokobi

    Division of the Ghana Police Service

    for contempt of this Parliament under

    Orders 73 and 31 of the Standing

    Orders.
    Mr Speaker 11:35 p.m.
    Just a minute, yes,
    Hon Member?
    Mr Alexander Afenyo-Markin 11:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, my colleague who was
    on his feet relied on Order 73. It is just
    a clarification. The provision there is
    clear that “…provided he has previously notified Mr Speaker”. He did not add that to his submission to
    the effect that he has previously
    notified you of his application. I only
    wanted to be sure that this has been so
    done.
    This is because, Mr Speaker, there
    was a similar application during your
    temporal absence, and an objection
    came from the Hon Deputy Minority
    Leader when the Hon Second Deputy
    Speaker was in the chair, and his
    contention was to the effect that the
    rule is specific that Mr Speaker should
    have been previously notified.

    Can I finish? Mr Speaker is talking

    about civility and decency.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy

    Minority Leader's contention was to the effect that at the pre-Sitting

    meeting, that matter did not come to

    the attention of Leadership, and that

    the Hon Second Deputy Speaker did

    not draw the attention of Leadership

    to the effect that there was such a

    notification in respect of an

    application under Order 73.

    I am only humbly seeking to know

    from Mr Speaker whether or not Mr

    Speaker has been notified prior to this

    application as required by the rules

    since he says he relies fully on this

    Order and he quoted it to mount his

    application.

    Mr Speaker, this is all.
    Mr Speaker 11:35 p.m.
    Yes please.
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 11:35 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, as the Hon Deputy Minority
    Whip, on that day, I had to interrupt
    the Hon Deputy Majority Leader for
    his non-compliance with Order 73.
    When Hon Sosu wanted to come

    under Order 73, he came to me on the

    Floor here, and I inquired of him

    whether he had notified Mr Speaker

    already. He answered in the

    affirmative that he had already done

    that.

    If that is the clarity my Hon

    colleague wanted, that compliance

    has been - [Interruption] - The clause says “… provided he had already notified Mr Speaker on that”, and that has been done.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 11:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    I think the Hon Member for Madina is
    appropriately invoking our Standing
    Orders to state a matter which affects
    him personally and is of public
    interest. My colleague the Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader did not even
    avail himself at conclave.
    He just came in when Hon Habib
    Iddrisu was holding the fort for all of
    them. That is why I am saying he
    should not spoil the temperature here.
    At conclave, even matters to discuss
    on this Floor, it was the Hon Deputy
    Majority Whip who held the fort in
    their absence. He just walked in.
    So even if this matter was
    discussed at conclave, he would not
    have benefitted from it. Indeed, Mr
    Speaker, I must admit that I also got
    to conclave late when you were
    almost rounding up with the Clerk to
    Parliament and other people. But you
    still put the Question openly which
    matters we were to consider.
    The Hon Member raised a matter,
    but he should not forget that he was
    not available himself.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 11:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with respect, just to respond to Hon
    Haruna Iddrisu, I spoke to Hon Habib
    Iddrisu. On the issue of contempt, he
    is saying that I did not avail myself at
    conclave, but this matter, according to
    him, did not come up at conclave.
    Mr Speaker, I am surprised that the
    very rule that my Hon colleagues
    from the other Side insisted on, when
    same is being discussed, then they are
    now raising issue. All I wanted to
    know was whether or not he had
    previously notified Mr Speaker,
    because that was what he used in
    addressing Hon Habib Iddrisu's application. It is for Mr Speaker, and
    he does not answer for Mr Speaker. I
    inquired from Mr Speaker, and he
    wants to answer for Mr Speaker. I am
    only asking because that was his
    concern.

    He used that to arrest somebody's application. He knows it, and so I am

    only asking Mr Speaker.
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    respectfully, this morning, at
    conclave, I was there with the Hon
    Second Deputy Whip, Hon Doyoe
    Cudjoe Ghansah, when Hon Minority
    Leader joined, followed by Hon
    Ahmed Ibrahim. It was never
    discussed, and I am not aware that
    such a motion was going to be moved
    this morning.
    So notification on Leadership or
    this issue being discussed this
    morning has not been discussed. I was
    there in the presence of Mr Speaker,
    and was not aware of it before coming
    into the Chamber.
    Mr Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Hon Members, this
    is a very simple matter. First, let me
    emphasise that matters of contempt of
    Parliament or of Members of
    Parliament or of staff of Parliament
    are very serious matters. These are the
    building blocks of democracy. If we
    allow that to be eroded, we have no
    legs to stand on. As we sit here, we are
    not individuals. You are the corporate
    body of your constituents, you also
    represent your political parties and
    you represent Ghana. So you are not
    individuals. The Police - the security agencies represent the
    state. That is why if even one is
    beating you and you are stronger than
    the person, you cannot touch him
    because that is a serious offence. If
    you touch the person, you touch the
    State and the State would deal with
    you.
    As a result of that, those special
    rights that they have given to the
    Police, the security services and the
    rest are also given to Members of
    Parliament and some staff that work
    in Parliament. You do not joke with
    that. You are not just Members of
    Parliament; you are leaders and if
    leaders cannot even take care of their
    constituents, what is your value? They
    have given their all to you to lead
    them to have better lives; protect
    them; defend them and care for them
    and make sure they enjoy the
    fundamental human rights and
    freedoms that are guaranteed in the
    Constitution so that they can exercise
    their potentials to the fullest. You
    have that responsibility and you have
    to discharge it. That is why you are
    given special rights.

    So when we are dealing with

    contempt, it is not one of those issues

    that can be toyed with and I take a

    serious view of it. The Orders that

    have been referred to are very clear. If

    you look at Order 53, it gives the

    opportunity after Statements, for

    Members to come in with issues of

    contempt. You can go through it. It

    comes as Order 53(1) (l), which is

    after Statements, which is (k). When

    you go to Order 73, it is very clear. It

    says:

    “A Member may, at the time appointed for Complaints of

    Contempt of Parliament

    under the provisions of Order

    53(Order of Business) bring

    to the House any complaint of

    contempt of Parliament,

    provided he

    has previously notified Mr

    Speaker.”

    I am the one to determine; if I am

    not notified, I would say so - I would hold the person and say that he is out

    of Order so he should go back and do

    the proper thing. Even in situations of

    urgency, which is what Order 73(2)

    takes care of. It says:

    “In urgent circumstances such complaints may, with

    Mr Speaker's prior permission, be made at a time

    other than that appointed for

    it.”

    You can have contempt in the face

    of the House. In court, they would say

    in facie curiae - in the face of the court. We can have it here and a

    Member can get up and raise that

    issue. It is an urgent matter and you

    need my permission. I may just say

    that these are some of the things - just take it that the Member has made

    those comments or statements in jest

    and then we proceed. But I think the

    Hon Member has done the right thing.

    I was given a written complaint by

    the Hon Member dated 25th October.

    The Clerk to Parliament was also

    given a copy. It is not only the

    Speaker. The other practice you are

    referring to is not part of the Standing

    Orders - that at conclave, some Speakers decide that it is something

    that we discuss there. It is not part of

    the Standing Orders. It is a good

    practice but I do not want to talk about

    what happens in conclave. I do not.

    You are raising it but I do not want to

    raise it. Sometimes, I am compelled to

    come late because of conclave. I do

    not want to talk about it. So please, the

    Hon Member has given the Speaker

    prior notice and the Speaker gave him

    permission to place that complaint

    before the whole House and for us to

    take the necessary action and this one

    deals with you

    Members of Parliament, not me. At

    the end of his complaint, I would

    make a statement before I refer it to

    the Committee to handle.

    So Hon Member, please, you may
    STATEMENTS 11:45 a.m.

    Mr Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon Members, sub
    part two of our Standing Order is very
    clear as to the procedure to adopt
    when a complaint of contempt is
    launched before the House. There are
    even some instances that are detailed
    out in the Standing Orders, and Hon
    Members should take time to go
    through them.
    Statements

    In the circumstances, I can only,

    under Order 31, direct that the matter

    be referred to the Committee of

    Privileges. [Hear! Hear!] The

    Committee will investigate the

    complaints and it would submit a

    report to the House for the full

    consideration of the matter. At the end

    of the day, it is the House that would

    determine

    whether the complaint and the report

    with whatever evidence gathered,

    really constitutes contempt of

    Parliament. So, it is a decision that

    would be taken by the House, but we

    must pass through the process.

    I will be issuing a Statement in the

    near future in what is happening to

    Members of Parliament from both

    Sides of the House. I receive

    complaints and information about

    how some personnel of the Police

    Service pursue Members of

    Parliaments from both Sides of the

    House. I have on a number of

    occasions intervened to talk to the

    authorities and to draw their attention

    to the law. Even sometimes, I have to

    call the Attorney-General and

    Minister for Justice in these matters.

    So apart from this, I have decided to

    come with a comprehensive

    Statement on this matter, and let

    people know that Members of

    Parliament have some special rights

    because of the peculiar nature of the

    position, functions and the duties of

    the Member of Parliament.

    It is not during my tenure of office

    that I will sit still, stare and allow

    those things to be flouted with

    impunity. It will not happen. [Hear!

    Hear!] Let it be known that the power

    of the people is stronger than the

    people in power. [Hear! Hear!] The

    matter is so referred.

    Hon Members, we would move to

    Presentation of Papers, that is at the

    Commencement of Public Business - Item numbered 6(a)(i) by the Hon

    Majority Leader and Minister for

    Parliamentary Affairs.

    Deputy Minority Whip (Mr

    Ahmed Ibrahim): Mr Speaker, thank

    you. Item numbered 6(a)(i), the Paper

    is to be laid by the Majority Leader

    and Minister for Parliamentary

    Affairs. However, I just want your

    guidance on that same item. It is

    Annual Statement by the Audit

    Statements

    Committee of the Coastal

    Development Authority for the year

    2020. The Coastal Development

    Authority's budget came under other Government obligations and it is

    under the Ministry of Finance. The

    overseeing committee on the

    development authorities, at that time,

    was of the view that looking at the

    quantum of money going there, it

    must be under the substantive

    Minister for Local Government, Rural

    Development and Decentralisation,

    but it was not. The Budget was

    presented by the Minister for Finance

    and the Committee on Finance went

    through it, the expenditures have been

    made and the audit has also been

    done.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority

    Leader is going to present the Annual

    Statement by the Audit Committee,

    but it would not help with the proper

    oversight of this House. I believe that

    with the Annual Statement by the

    Costal Development Authority, if it is

    not under the authority of the Hon

    Minister for Local Government,

    Decentralisation and Rural

    Development, then the Minister for

    Finance must lay that Annual

    Statement or Audit Report for a better

    oversight and scrutiny.

    Mr Speaker, this is an Authority

    that has awarded over 1,500 contracts.

    The Hon Majority Leader has no

    Committee under him. To do a proper

    oversight and go to the project sites to

    see for ourselves whether those

    projects exist or not, the Hon Minister

    for Parliamentary Affairs or the

    Majority Leader cannot do that. So, if

    this House wants to do

    Ghanaians a favour, then we must let

    the Minister for Finance lay it. The

    Committee on Finance must go round

    to juxtapose the fundings, the audit

    queries and all those things with the

    actual projects.

    Mr Speaker, besides that, there is

    also another Paper on that same

    sector, which the Hon Majority

    Leader is again expected to lay, and it

    is on the National Service Scheme for

    the year 2020. I believe that during the

    time of the previous Administration,

    the National Service Scheme came

    under the Ministry of Education.

    Therefore, if there is anybody in this

    House to lay that Paper, then it should

    be the Hon Minister in charge of

    Education

    Mr Speaker, if we allow the Hon

    Ministers for either the Ministry of

    Finance or Education to lay the

    Annual Statement of the National

    Service Scheme, then scrutiny and

    oversight from this House would not

    be properly done, and we may not do

    Ghanaians any favour. Therefore, I

    would just want to seek your guidance

    and in seeking your guidance, I would

    want to add that if this House of the

    Republic wants to do Ghanaians any

    favour, then we must show concern

    on where the moneys are being

    channelled to and must do a follow

    up. I am saying this because just last

    week, the Committee on Education

    was on nationwide monitoring and

    they visited project sites. The same

    thing happened with the Committees

    on Health and Local Government,

    Decentralisation and Rural

    Development.

    Mr Speaker, finally, even the

    Annual Statement on the Ministry of

    Inner-City and Zongo Development is

    to be laid by the Hon Majority Leader.

    Mr Speaker, we cannot overload the

    Hon Majority Leader with all those on

    funds. We created the fund, so, we

    must oversight and investigate it.

    Therefore, if we allow the Hon

    Majority Leader to lay this Paper,

    then we may not do Ghanaians any

    favour. So, if the items are not

    mistakenly loaded under the Hon

    Majority Leader, then he cannot usurp

    that territory or else he might be

    treading on a very dark area, where

    oversight would be in jeopardy.

    Mr Speaker, I, therefore, would

    need your guidance on this.

    Thank you very much. [Hear!
    Mr Kwaku Agyeman Kwarteng 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, before you provide the
    guidance that the Hon Member
    sought, I thought that I should add
    mine so that we could all be guided by
    you.
    Mr Speaker, the concerns that the
    Hon Member raised related primarily
    to oversight and I identify with that. I
    think that we must work in such a way
    that we can exercise the oversight
    responsibilities of Parliament well.
    However, that discussion should be
    referenced to the referral as to which
    Committee looks at it. Once these
    items have been brought to the Table
    Office, it would have come under
    somebody's signature and that somebody is really the owner of that
    Paper that has come here. If the Hon
    Member is concerned about
    oversight, then Mr Speaker, I would
    like to know whether that should
    reflect in the kind of referral that
    would be made, or it is a matter to do

    with who lays it. That is the guidance

    that I seek.
    Mr Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon Members, this
    is a very simple matter. This is
    Government Business and all
    Government Businesses come
    through the Hon Leader of
    Government Business to the House.
    The Business is chaperoned by that
    Hon Minister, which we now call the
    “Minister for Parliamentary Affairs”. However, that Ministry does not
    oversee Parliament because it is a
    Ministry which has the Hon Majority
    Leader, who is also the Hon Leader of
    Government Business as its Minister.
    So, he champions Government
    Business on the Floor. He does not do
    so when it comes to Parliamentary
    Business or constituency business,
    and that is where the Hon Speaker
    comes in.
    However, when I preside, I preside
    over all the Businesses and I apply the
    rules; the practices and procedures as
    we know them.
    These Reports are not annual
    reports of those institutions. These are
    Annual Audit Reports and they are
    specific. Therefore, audit reports as
    we all know are usually handled by a
    specialised Committee of Parliament
    called the Public Accounts
    Committee. It is not left to the general
    oversight of Parliament. The
    Committee over the years has
    specialised in handling audit reports
    from audit agencies including the
    Audit Service. So, these Reports
    would be referred to that Committee
    and not the sector Committees. It is a
    good point that has been raised by the
    Hon Deputy Minority Whip. We pass
    the laws, but the proper thing is that
    all audited reports must be referred to
    the specialised Committee, which is
    the Public Accounts Committee. They
    would do all what the Hon Deputy
    Minority Whip is talking about. It is
    not only going to look at the
    finance, but they would also ensure
    that the Performance Audits are well
    done.
    So, I think that it is proper from
    our quarters that we decided to take
    that aspect in trying to give some
    autonomy and independence. That is
    why you would realise that almost all
    the constitutional commissions' reports and the rest passed through the
    Hon Majority Leader to be laid. So, I
    do not see anything wrong with it
    being laid by the Hon Majority Leader
    and Minister for Parliament Affairs. It
    is only that it should have been done

    under the authority of the Hon Leader

    of Government Business. However, in

    this case he is the same person.

    In some Parliaments including

    ours, it could happen that the Hon

    Majority Leader would not be the

    Leader of Government Business. This

    is because we can have Majority in

    opposition. That is the system that we

    run, and that person cannot be the one

    in charge of Government Business. It

    would be somebody else that the

    Government would decide that he

    should be in charge of Government

    Business in the House even though

    that might be a Minority person. So, I

    think that we should allow the Hon

    Majority Leader and Minister for

    Parliamentary Affairs to present these

    Audit Committee Reports to the

    House for consideration.
    rose
    Mr Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Minority Leader, do you disagree
    with the Hon Speaker?
    Mr Avedzi 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    just want to draw your attention to the
    Report. The Report itself is not the
    Auditor-General's
    Report. This is the Report of the Audit
    Committee established under section
    86 of the Public Financial
    Management Act. Now, these Reports
    are the Audit Committee Reports,
    which worked on the
    recommendations of the Auditor-
    General and the Public Accounts
    Committee to ensure that those
    recommendations are implemented
    by the sector agencies.
    So the law demands the Audit
    Committee to submit a report
    annually to Parliament to tell us how
    they have implemented the
    recommendations of Parliament, the
    Auditor-General and the Public
    Accounts Committee (PAC). The
    difference here is that, it is not a report
    that comes here directly from the
    Auditor-General, but that of the Audit
    Committee. What we did in the past
    was to refer this report to the sector
    Committees to do a follow up based
    on the recommendations of the
    Auditor-General, PAC and
    Parliament. I just want to draw your
    attention to the difference between the
    two types of reports.
    Mr Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Minority Leader, do not belabour the
    point. I did not restrict my submission
    to only reports from the Auditor-

    General; that is not what I said. If you

    read our Hansard, you would realise

    that the initiation of the establishment

    of those Audit Committee reports was

    from me. It is through my efforts that

    we established those committees to

    follow up on the recommendations

    that have been approved by

    Parliament, and ensure that they are

    implemented.

    It is because issues were raised

    about Parliament just being a talk

    shop, and that what recommendations

    were approved were not

    implemented. Thus, we had to do that.

    I, as the Hon Chairman of the Public

    Accounts Committee from 2001 to

    2004, insisted that those committees

    send reports to PAC annually. We

    realised during the course of that that

    it did not amount to anything. That is

    why they are included in the later

    legislation.

    Hon Members, PAC was political;

    it used to be chaired by the Minority

    Leader. I insisted that it should be

    chaired by professionals for us to

    focus on professionalism than

    politics. As Hon Minority Leader, I

    stepped aside and brought in Hon

    Sallas- Mensah as a professional to

    chair the Committee. That is how

    come we moved away from the

    politics to professionalism.

    I know the background, and I still

    believe that the correct place for those

    Reports to go is PAC to follow up on

    the implementation, and not sector

    Committees. The annual reports of

    those agencies, which are

    comprehensive and do not deal with

    audit, would go to the sector

    Committees, and they would handle

    them. That is why I have given my

    positive response that that is the right

    thing to do.

    The Hon Majority Leader and

    Minister for Parliamentary Affairs

    should be given the opportunity to lay

    the Reports, and I will refer them to

    PAC to handle and report to the

    House. If you are inundated with

    work, let us know, and we would

    know how to help you to finish up the

    work.
    Mr Avedzi 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Committee is overwhelmed with the
    number of reports that we work on.
    Annually, we have more than 10
    reports from the Auditor-General, and
    so, if we add the Audit Committee
    reports, it would be too heavy for us
    to carry. I, therefore, suggest that we
    continue what we have been

    practising already, giving it to the

    sector Committees, and when there is

    the need for PAC to also assist, we

    would do so.

    Currently, we are in arrears; we are

    finishing the report of 2017 and we

    have planned to work on those of

    2018 and 2019 next year. If we are

    able to do that, then we would have

    bridged the gap. The Committee can

    then come back for this, but for now,

    we have been overwhelmed with the

    numbers of the reports that we are

    supposed to work on. I would want to

    plead that the sector Committees

    continue working on the reports for

    now.
    Mr Kwaku Agyeman Manu 12:15 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we should be very careful in
    these matters. The Audit Committee
    under the Public Finance
    Management Act (PFMA) has been
    constituted to serve a special purpose.
    The sector Committees are
    constituted bearing in mind their
    expertise and it is largely the technical
    matters relating to that sector. Where
    you have an Audit Committee of a
    covered entity doing work on what
    even the Audit Service could have
    done, and a report comes to this
    House, I am not too sure merely
    because the Committee feels
    overburdened, is good reason to
    redirect it to Committees that may not
    have the right competence to do that.
    I sympathise with the Hon Member,
    but the solution he proposed could be
    problematic.
    rose
    Mr Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Minority Whip, you started the whole
    thing.
    Mr A. Ibrahim 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    before I started the matter, I did not
    know the Hon Chairman of PAC
    would come up with a submission that
    he would be inundated with too much
    work. In that regard, I just want to
    draw your attention to article 187(6)
    of the 1992 Constitution which reads:
    “Parliament shall debate the report of the Auditor-General
    and appoint where necessary,
    in the public interest, a
    committee to deal with any
    matters arising from it.”
    Mr Speaker, right from 1992, we
    have not been able to form this
    committee. In considering the
    submission of the Hon Chairman of
    PAC, going forward, we would
    consider constituting this committee
    to deal with the report of the PAC

    after it has been debated in this House.

    I believe it would help in settling

    some of these matters so that they

    would not be overburdened with work

    where the reports of the Auditor-

    General would come, and instead of

    dealing with them, they would deal

    with the secondary reports from their

    original reports.
    Mr Governs Kwame Agbodza 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am grateful for your
    education on how we came to
    improve the work that we do up to
    here. It is important that those of us
    who just joined would understand
    how the Parliament of Ghana has
    evolved so far.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with whatever
    you have said, but just to sympathise
    with my senior Hon Colleague, the
    Hon Chairman of PAC, yesterday, we
    laid similar documents, and we
    referred all of
    them to sector Committees. For
    instance, all those that had to do with
    the assemblies were referred to
    Committee on Local Government and
    Rural Development Committee, and
    those on health to the Committee on
    Health. I am sure the Hon Chairman
    pleads that their burden is lessened.
    Mr Speaker, we just started this
    Meeting. We have enough time to do
    a lot, but I can count only 15 Hon
    Members of the Majority. In other
    words, we have a 15 member
    Majority. I say this simply because,
    getting close to the end of this
    Meeting, you would see Hon
    Ministers and Hon Chairman of
    Committees rush to Parliament to
    force us to work till midnight. It will
    not happen this time around. If they
    call themselves Majority, 15 of them
    cannot be here -
    Mr Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Actually, you are
    not in charge of that one so, go on
    with your submission.
    Mr Agbodza 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, 15 of
    them cannot be seated in this
    Chamber and call themselves as
    Majority. Are they not ashamed
    calling themselves Majority? If you
    are not ready -
    Mr Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    please, make your point.
    An Hon Member 12:15 p.m.
    Resume your
    seat.
    Mr Agbodza 12:15 p.m.
    All right.
    Mr Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Hon Member, we
    had notice that the New Patriotic
    Party (NPP) has a regional conference
    for the Ashanti Region.

    And we know the Ashanti Region

    has forty-nine (49) Constituencies,

    and out of that—
    Mr Ibrahim 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there
    are forty-seven (47) Constituencies.
    Mr Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Thank you for the
    timely correction. Forty-seven (47)
    Constituencies and out of that, they
    are in control of what -? As at now, it is forty-three (43) so, they did inform
    me that they had to be part of what is
    happening today. And I gave them the
    permission; they came through the
    Majority Leader himself so, I gave
    permission for them to attend that
    conference for today.
    I am not even sure it is forty-three
    (43); I think it is forty-two (42)
    because one is independent, and that
    is why he is here — and that is the main reason why he is not a Member
    of the New Patriotic Party. [Hear!
    Hear!] He is an independent Member
    of Parliament. Anytime there is
    evidence that he is a Member of the
    New Patriotic Party, he stands
    constitutionally disqualified from
    being a Deputy Speaker of
    Parliament. Read your Constitution
    very well and be careful how you
    speak. He, himself has shown that he
    is not a Member of the New Patriotic
    Party and that is why he is here. Do
    not compel him to be a Member. If he
    wants to, he will join at any time but
    if he does so during the tenure of his
    office, he stands disqualified to be a
    Deputy Speaker and we will have to
    look for one.
    He has been doing well; he has
    been very supportive of my effort; I
    am happy with him and usually, I
    thank him for learning very fast.
    [Hear! Hear!] But let me say that we
    have one High Court in the country
    but it is not just one person, so we can
    have one Public Accounts Committee
    but with branches. We need to support
    you. I sympathise with you; in fact, I
    empathise with you. I was there
    before; that time, the load was not that
    huge. We have added onto and
    Parliament is prepared to support you.
    We have the men and the women here
    to add but we need professionalism in
    that Committee.
    In fact, the India Parliament has
    invited me to celebrate with them

    their hundred years of the

    establishment of their Public

    Accounts Committee. And I am going

    to give the Keynote Address in India.

    [Hear! Hear!] I have done a serious

    research, right up from the

    establishment of the Public Accounts

    Committee globally; when it started

    and how it has developed up till now.

    It is the key Committee for the

    oversight of Parliament, and we are

    prepared to build it up to support us

    because one of the weakest functions

    of this House is oversight. We are

    very good in law making and we are

    ranked very high when it comes to law

    making but we are ranked also very

    low when it comes to oversight. We

    need to strengthen that, so please, put

    your challenges before us, we would

    try and assist you to be able to handle

    the load that we are putting on. But I

    think the proper Committee to handle

    Audit Reports is the Public Accounts

    Committee, not sector Committees.

    What we have learnt; the skills of

    even probing, tracking, tracing and

    asking questions when it comes to

    Audit Reports is not what is in the

    sector Committees' level, so let us— I cannot review the earlier referral but

    I think the proper thing is for this

    Report to be referred to the Public

    Accounts Committee. So, please, may

    we allow the right representative of

    Government to present the Report to

    us.
    rose
    Mr Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    I thought we had
    done so much talking on this matter.
    Yes, Hon Member?
    Mr Alhassan Suhuyini Sayibu 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you. Maybe,
    before that clarification, on a lighter
    note, I wish to be one of your
    assistants when you are going to
    Mr Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Do you want to be
    Assistant Speaker?
    Mr Sayibu 12:25 p.m.
    No, Mr Speaker. I
    wish to be one of your assistants just
    to assist you on the trip. I am not
    qualified to wear the shoes of Mr
    Speaker yet. Just to assist you on the
    trip. In case you need water to drink, I
    would be there to serve the water.
    Mr Speaker, but you indicated that
    the Majority Leader made a request
    through you to lead the MPs from the
    Ashanati Region to meet with the
    Asantehene. I just would like to have
    clarification, if the meeting is with the
    New Patriotic Party Members of
    Parliament from the Ashanti Region

    or Members of Parliament from the

    Ashanti Region. That is just what I

    wanted clarification for.
    Mr Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    I am sure you were
    not here from the very beginning, if
    not, this question does not arise. It is a
    Regional Conference of the New
    Patriotic Party and Members should
    be there. And a request had been made
    through the Leader, and the Leader
    did approach me. It is part of your
    duties and functions so I granted
    permission that they could attend,
    which they have done and they said
    they will be absent only today. So,
    they are there and I
    think it is the right thing to do. Any
    party can do the same and would get
    the permission. Today, we can forgive
    the Majority for being Minority on the
    Floor but if it continues, I know what
    to do to bring them up to speed.
    So, please, can we allow the lawful
    representative to lay the Papers?
    rose
    Mr Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon Kpodo, you
    have a special type of - is it face mask or nose mask?

    “(2) An annual statement required under subsection (1) (b)

    shall

    (a) indicate the remedial action taken or proposed to be

    taken to avoid or minimise

    the recurrence of an

    undesirable feature in the

    accounts and operations of a

    covered entity;

    “(c) be endorsed by the relevant sector Minister and

    forwarded to the Minister,

    Parliament, Office of the

    President and the Auditor-

    General within six months

    after the end of each

    financial year.”

    So, the Audit Committee

    Statement is to be endorsed by the

    relevant Minister and forwarded to

    Parliament. So, there are two issues I

    want us to clear. First, is about the

    Coastal Development Authority,

    Middle Belt Development Authority

    and the Northern Belt Development

    Authority. Which Ministry are they

    now operating under , so that we can

    trace the Report to the sector

    Minister? I know that it is now under

    the Office of the President, but the law

    says that it should be endorsed by the

    sector Minister. So, which Minister is

    responsible for it, even though it is

    under the Office of the President?

    Mr Speaker, again, it says that they

    should be forwarded to Parliament,

    Office of the President and the

    Auditor-General. So, once such

    statements are issued, what are we to

    do with it in Parliament? It is to be

    forwarded to Parliament, and I want

    us to be clear on that “forwarded”. Does forwarded to Parliament mean it

    should be referred to an appropriate

    Committee to deliberate on it and

    bring a Report to the Floor for plenary

    discussion? These are the issues

    bothering my mind. This however, is

    a provision of the law, under Act 921,

    Section 88 (2).
    Mr Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon Member, the
    purpose of referral is for the
    appropriate Committee to look at the
    state of the law, vis-à-vis the contents
    of the Reports that have been referred
    to them and then they report to the
    House. That is why we have
    Committees. So, all the issues you
    raised are issues that would be
    considered by the Committee, to see
    whether the Report complies with the
    provisions that you have just drawn
    our attention to. If not, the
    recommendations of that Public
    Accounts Committee (PAC), would
    draw our attention for the right thing
    to be done.
    When a Report is referred to
    Parliament, Parliament is not the
    Clerk, neither is Parliament the
    Speaker. Parliament is as constituted,
    275 Members, presided over by a
    Speaker. That is Parliament. So when
    they say, “referred to Parliament”, it means referred to this body and the
    only way it can be presented to this
    body, is when this body is in plenary
    and a Paper is presented as laid. That
    is the procedure and that is what we
    are complying with.
    It cannot be done in any other way,
    or else, a lot of things would happen
    behind you without your knowledge.
    That is why we insist that it be done.
    It is Parliament that can now come
    back and say for instance that, there
    are some problems with
    implementation of the law being
    passed and we recommend ways of
    improving it because you passed the
    law, and it must go according to that
    provision. So, if we find out that at the
    end of the day, we are inundating
    ourselves with so many Reports to the
    point where it is even becoming
    impossible for the House to handle
    them, we would now legislate and get

    other specialised bodies that could

    partner the House to handle them.

    This is because oversight of

    governance is led by the Arm called

    Parliament and no other Arm. We

    decide who should assist us to do that

    but we have the ultimate

    responsibility. So, we have done

    nothing wrong. We have done the

    right thing, so let us go through them.

    If at the end of the day we have

    challenges; once there are challenges,

    there would definitely be

    opportunities and we would get the

    opportunities to support us to do our

    work.

    I think that this is the right thing to

    do, so let us use the specialised

    Committee to handle specialised

    Reports. It is not the annual Reports

    of those Development Agencies but a

    specific audit Report, so please, can

    we go on?

    Mr Edwin Nii Lantey

    Vanderpuye: Mr Speaker, I am

    grateful for this particular elucidation

    that you have given us. The difficulty

    I would have with the law as

    presented by Hon Kpodo and the

    directions that we are taking, is the

    fact that, any cunning Government

    could decide to hide so many of these

    bodies under the Office of the

    President. The law is however saying,

    that those Reports must be referred to

    the Office of the President. It then

    becomes difficult for Ministries that

    have direct relationship with this

    House in terms of our oversight, to be

    able to adequately deal with these

    Reports.

    So, Mr Speaker, I think that this

    House should be looking at making

    sure that in order to enhance our

    oversight, there would be a sort of law

    that would limit the number of such

    agencies created under the Office of

    the President. This is because, like the

    Hon First Deputy Minority Whip said,

    the Coastal Development Authority,

    the Middle-Belt Development

    Authority and others require huge

    sums of money. Their budgetary

    allocations are huge. The former

    Ministry of Special Initiatives had a

    huge budget, yet today, it has been

    collapsed. So, how would we have the

    opportunity to critically look at what

    they did and how they did it?

    So, in order for this House to help,

    it should be critical about the number

    of amorphous structures that are

    created and budgets allocated for

    them, to prevent the way people

    would get out of our oversight and

    supervisory role.

    Mr Speaker, I submit.
    Mr Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    It should not be a
    problem at all. This is not the time for
    a seminar or workshop for us to look
    at these things. As a country, we are
    used to some system of governance
    and that is in our heads and not what
    we have put in our Constitution. That
    is not what we are practising in this
    country and that is one of the
    challenges. If you have an Executive
    President, you do not have Cabinet
    approval. In any case, in our
    Constitution, there is nothing like
    Cabinet approval. Under our laws,
    Cabinet approves nothing because
    Cabinet is advisory and it is very clear
    in the Constitution. But everybody is
    asking whether it has been approved
    by Cabinet when you have an
    Executive President.
    While all the other Arms have
    Councils or Commissions, in
    Parliament, we have a Board called
    the Parliamentary Service Board,
    which is for the Parliamentary
    Service. You are not part of the
    Parliamentary Service but part of
    Parliament but the Parliamentary
    Service Board which is a public
    service board is to oversee
    Parliament. These are all wrong
    concepts and would not work
    anywhere.
    You cannot implement that, but
    that is what we are practicing and it is
    not even in accordance with the
    Constitution. We have to relook at all
    these things. That is why some of us
    put pressure that we should look at the
    Constitutional Review Commission's Report to update and revise some
    provisions of the Constitution to
    current thinking and the new type of
    governance that we have in the world;
    smart governance not good
    governance. We have gone beyond
    good governance to smart
    governance. That is where we are now
    - there are a lot of things that we have to do. We are the law makers and
    nobody else. Our responsibility is
    huge and you toy with it because you
    are controlled by political parties who
    do not even fund your activities - you do them yourselves but because you
    believe in one man, you allow
    yourselves to be controlled and to sing
    the praises of individuals to the
    detriment of the country.
    I sit here as the Rt Hon Speaker
    and I would lead you for us to do what

    we can and to update this Government

    and strengthen this Parliament for us

    to rectify the wrongs and get this

    country move forward. If you would

    not go with me, I would leave you

    behind. Do you hear me?
    Some Hon Members 12:45 p.m.
    Yes, Mr
    Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    If you would not go
    with me, I would leave you behind
    and some people would go with me. I
    am very sure that by 2024, we would
    have done some things to change the
    face of politics in this country. If not,
    you should forget what would happen
    in 2024 - none of you would want to be alive. Yes, we have to rise - I would make statements for you to
    listen and we would change the face
    of politics in this country. [Hear
    Hear] They elect Hon Members,
    people of great respect and put you in
    the mud to work for them. They
    benefit from your sweat and they sit
    outside to enjoy, condemn and
    destroy you in the mud.
    By the time you finish your term of
    office, you just go to your grave - there is no way to live again. That is
    what has happened to former Hon
    Members of Parliament and former
    Hon Ministers of State. They are
    destroyed to the extent that they have
    no value in the society. Meanwhile,
    all that you do goes to other people
    and not yourselves. You all know it.
    How many of you work and keep the
    money in your pockets? It is just a
    few who might have owned their
    businesses but majority of the Hon
    Members sweat to satisfy the hopes,
    aspirations and needs of their
    constituents. At the end of the day,
    after you struggle to win primaries
    and you lose, you have no pesewa in
    your pockets and the same people
    would insult you every day in the
    constituency - and we cannot correct or tell the people this?
    Please, we would lead and
    legislate in this country. In the next
    politics, you have to disclose the
    source of your money and account for
    how you spent it. Yes, that is how
    democracies are run. They just do not
    allow you to go for any money
    anywhere and spend it anyhow and
    then you say you run a corrupt free
    government. How can that happen
    when you came in with corruption?
    How can a product of corruption fight
    corruption? Please, let us not pretend.
    Let us stop these things.
    Could we take item numbered 6 - Papers?
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    seek your leave for the Hon Minister
    for Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs
    to lay the Papers on behalf of the Hon
    Minister for Parliamentary Affairs.
    Mr Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon Minister for
    Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs,
    you could lay the Papers for and on
    behalf of the Hon Minister for
    Parliamentary Affairs.
    PAPERS 12:45 p.m.

    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with respect, yesterday, we had a
    problem with the Clerks-at-the-Table.
    She should read aloud - we must hear her. When she is outside of this
    Chamber we hear her aloud and we
    know that she is not a timid lady.
    [Laughter] She is behaving like
    somebody you have ruled against so
    she cannot even talk but there has not
    been any ruling against her. She
    should read aloud.
    Mr Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Majority Leader, I do not even know
    who read it because I cannot see the
    Clerks-at-the-Table, who sit below
    me. Please, just allow her. She is one
    of our procedural clerks who is very
    good at her work.
    Please, could you repeat what you
    just read?
    (i) Annual Statement by the Audit Committee of the
    Coastal Development
    Authority for the Year
    2020.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    your orders were not complied with.
    It is not the same person who repeated
    it -somebody else took over. Edith was the one who read it initially.
    Papers
    Mr Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Clerk to Parliament,
    you are in charge of the Table Office.
    Please, could you take control?
    (i) Annual Statement by the Audit Committee of the
    Coastal Development
    Authority for the Year
    2020.
    (ii) Annual Statement by the Audit Committee of the
    Zongo Development
    Fund for the Year 2020.
    (i) Annual Statement by the Audit Committee of the
    Public Procurement
    Authority for the Year
    2020.
    (iv) Annual Statement by
    the Audit Committee
    of the National Service
    Scheme for the Year
    2020.
    (v) Annual Statement by
    the Audit Committee
    of the Judicial Service
    for the Year 2020.
    Referred to the Public Accounts
    Committee
    Mr Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Item numbered 5 (b)
    on the Order Paper.
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with your leave, if the Hon Minister
    for Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs
    could lay the Paper on behalf of the
    Hon Minister for Roads and
    Highways?
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister,
    you may do so.
    By the Minister for Chieftaincy
    and Religious Affairs (Mr Kofi
    Dzamesi) on behalf of the Minister for
    Roads and Highways) -
    Annual Statement by the Audit
    Committee of the Ministry of Roads
    and Highways for the year 2020.
    Referred to the Committee on
    Public Accounts.
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Item numbered 6 (c)
    by the Minister for Finance.
    Papers
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    seek your leave for the same Hon
    Minister for Chieftaincy and
    Religious Affairs --
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Deputy
    Minority Whip?
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 12:55 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we just started Sitting
    yesterday and you gave caution that
    Ministers of State must be present in
    the Chamber to do business in the
    House. The first Minister, the
    Minister for Parliamentary Affairs,
    sought permission from you. So, we
    agreed with our Hon Colleagues on
    the other Side to seek permission for
    the Minister for Chieftaincy and
    Religious Affairs to lay the Papers on
    his behalf. With the Second Minister,
    the Minister for Roads and Highways,
    they sought permission even though
    we do not know his whereabouts. If
    the Minister for Roads and Highways
    is not here, he has abled deputies. We
    agreed that he sought permission for
    him. We now come to the third
    Minister, the Minister for Finance.
    You added yesterday that this is a
    budget Meeting. The Minister for
    Finance must take interest in the
    Business of this House especially for
    this Budget Meeting. He has two or
    three deputies and even has a Minister
    of State in that Ministry.
    Mr Speaker, if matters of finance
    are relegated to other sector Ministers
    without all the four Hon Ministers
    being present in the House just to lay
    this Paper, who are they taking us for?
    On this note, I may not have any
    difficult challenge but to add to the
    caution that you gave yesterday. We
    would agree for the Minister for
    Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs to
    lay the Paper, but going forward, the
    Hon Ministers must take your word
    very seriously.
    Mr Speaker, we agree to the
    Minister laying the Paper.
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Majority
    Leadership, are you all right with the
    submission or there is any response?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    he ended on a good note of
    cooperation. We have therefore taken
    a cue but you may well be aware that
    the Ministers have always taken this
    House seriously.
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    What did you say?
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    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:55 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I said that he ended on a note
    of cooperation. However, on the
    substantive matter he raised, I know
    for a fact that Ministers of State under
    this Government take this House
    seriously.
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    It is not true.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:55 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, you may disagree --
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    There is ample
    evidence to show that the Ministers do
    not take this House seriously and I am
    telling you that from this Meeting, we
    would make them take this House
    seriously. I would allow the Hon
    Minister for Chieftaincy and
    Religious Affairs to lay this Report.
    After that, I am adjourning the House
    and I would want the appropriate
    Ministers to appear before the House
    to lay the Reports.
    Are you with me?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:55 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, you know you are the head
    of this institution. Who am I to
    challenge your position on the matter?

    Mr Speaker, I know that some

    people may misquote you and take

    you out of context but I understand

    you to mean that even if the Ministers

    scored 98 per cent, you expect them to

    Mr Speaker, we want to enrich

    parliamentary oversight, so, they

    should take us more seriously.
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member of
    Effutu?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    your own base, Effutu, yes.
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member for
    Effutu and the Deputy Majority
    Leader who is my son, definitely
    cannot challenge me. So, my directive
    stands.
    Hon Minister, lay this Report and
    I will proceed to adjourn the House.
    They would come as Ministers to do
    their work and we would give them
    the opportunity as we work together.
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    PAPERS 12:55 p.m.

    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Members, as I
    have just indicated, my intention is for
    us to call it a day and since it is not yet
    - 12:55 p.m.

    Mr Habib Iddrisu 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    would just want to draw your
    attention that the Minister for
    Education is part of the delegation the
    Hon Majority Leader sought your
    permission to attend the NPP
    Regional Delegates' Conference in the Ashanti Region. So, with your
    leave, could the Minister for
    Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs lay
    the Report on his behalf?
    Mr Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, I am
    sure you were not listening to me. If
    you were, this interruption would not
    come in. Please, Leaders, let me hear
    from you.
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 12:55 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I do not know whether you
    would want an indication sought.
    Considering your caution, if there is
    any Minister who respects you and
    this House and takes the House
    seriously, it is the Minister for
    Education. I thought that was the
    angle my Hon Colleague would come
    from. He is the most punctual
    Minister just as his deputies, the Hon
    Adutwum and Hon Ntim Fordjour.
    [Interruption] - But he did not come on that premise. He said he sought
    permission. If he could seek
    permission from you judging from the
    conduct of the Minister for Education,
    then he lays that Paper and indicate
    that we adjourn. That is what Mr
    Speaker is saying.
    Mr Speaker, honestly speaking,
    the Hon Minister for Education is
    always in this House. Until we
    adjourn, he does not go; same
    applies to his two deputies. But he is
    one of the Ashanti Regional MPs who
    have sought permission from you. So,
    we have no problem with that. Where
    we had problem was the Minister for
    Finance who was not present to lay
    his own Ministry's Audit Report - the

    Annual Statement by the Audit

    Committee of the Ministry of Finance

    for the Year 2020. If nobody would be

    here at all, he must be here himself to

    lay it.

    Mr Speaker, bear with us to allow

    the Minister for Chieftaincy and

    Religious Affairs to lay the Papers on

    behalf of the Minister for Education

    who has already sought permission

    from you. After that the Majority

    bench could give an indication and we

    would comply.
    Mr Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    What I was doing
    was applying Standing Order 42 (2);
    consulting the House for fixing the
    time whether the Sitting of the House
    should be adjourned sine die, or to a
    particular day or to an hour or part of
    the same day. As leaders, you are
    trying to compel me to do your wish.
    I am aware of the performance of
    the Minister for Education. I insist
    that we take an adjournment. If you
    are not prepared to do that, I have the
    authority and power to adjourn the
    House.

    I will adjourn the House. [Hear!

    Hon Chairman of the Finance

    Committee, you were up.
    Mr Kwaku Agyeman Kwarteng 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is just to say that we
    have some reports to lay and we crave
    your indulgence to allow us to do so -
    - 1:05 p.m.

    Mr Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    I am not interested
    in Hon Members who do not listen to
    me. Please, if you had listened to me,
    you would not get up to raise this
    issue.
    Mr Alexander Afenyo-Markin 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there being no further
    Business before us, I humbly move
    that this House stands adjourned till
    tomorrow at 10 o'clock in the forenoon where Parliamentary
    Business shall commence.
    Mr Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Any seconder?
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 1:05 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I rise to second the motion
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    for adjournment and in doing so, I

    would like to add that both Hon

    Members of Parliament and Ministers

    must be in the Chamber on time to do

    Business.

    Question put and Motion agreed

    to.
    ADJOURNMENT 1:05 p.m.