Debates of 2 Mar 2022

MR SECOND DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:51 a.m.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:51 a.m.
Hon
Members, item numbered 4 - Correction of Votes and Proceedings and the Official
Report.
We would begin with the Votes and
Proceedings of Tuesday, 1st March, 2022.
  • [No correction was made to the Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 1st March, 2022]
  • rose
    - 10:51 a.m.

    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:51 a.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Member for Okaikwei Central?
    Mr Patrick Yaw Boamah 10:51 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, you skipped the item
    numbered 3 - Formal Communication
    by the Speaker. I would like to enquire
    whether you do not have any formal
    communication because lately, it has
    become part of the discussions on the
    Floor and in the country.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Member for Okaikwei Central, I do not
    have any formal communication for the
    House so, we move to the item
    numbered 5 - Urgent Questions.
    The Hon Minister for the Interior has
    already taken his seat, ready to answer
    his Questions. And the Questions stand
    in the name of the Hon Member for
    Bunkpurugu, the Hon Abed-Nego
    Azumah Bandin.
    Is the Hon Member around?
    Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza 10:51 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, with your indulgence, I could
    see that our senior Hon Colleague, the
    Minister for the Interior took time to
    come here. He has been here since 9
    o'clock to respond to our Hon
    Colleague. I have indication that with
    your indulgence, I could ask the
    Question on behalf of my Hon
    Colleague so that the Minister does not
    have to come on another day for the
    same reason. Mr Speaker, if you would
    indulge me?
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 10:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Member for Adaklu, I believe I have
    repeatedly said this that if for whatever
    reason, your Question has been
    advertised and you cannot make time
    for it, you should let the presiding
    person know ahead of time. I do not just
    come and sit here and the Question is
    asked about the Hon Member to ask his
    Question, and he is nowhere to be
    found. I think we have to take note about
    it. Our Standing Orders actually clarify
    that.
    I would allow you to ask that
    Question but please, let us take note of
    it, it is becoming too many. Let us hear
    you.
    URGENT QUESTIONS 10:51 a.m.

    MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR 10:51 a.m.

    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Minister?
    Mr Speaker, the Robbery statistics
    for the Bunkpurugu Police District in
    the North-East Region for the past two
    (2) years has reduced drastically. In
    2020, only one robbery case was
    reported in the constituency whilst in
    2021, five (5) were recorded with no
    reported case in 2022.
    The reduction in the number of
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    robbery cases resulted from proactive measures put in place to combat robberies and other violent crimes in the region.

    These measures include intelligence

    led Policing, mounting of Police

    checkpoints, escort of commercial

    vehicles and market women to and from

    the various markets and organized

    swoops at criminal hideouts.

    The Police administration will do all

    it can to ensure a total reduction if not

    elimination of armed robbery cases in

    the country.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Hon
    Member for Adaklu, any supplementary
    question?
    Mr Agbodza 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank
    our Hon Colleague, the Minister for the
    Interior for the Answer. In his Answer,
    he indicated that the robbery statistics
    actually reduced. Can he assure us that
    this positive trend of reduction could
    continue into the future and what steps
    would be taken to ensure that?
    Mr Dery 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I can assure
    him that the police have put in place
    really serious measures across the
    country and I can assure him that we
    expect a reduction towards the
    elimination and not otherwise. I can
    assure him that most nights, I am
    privileged to know what is happening.
    The police are really proactive now and
    we need to acknowledge the
    cooperation and assistance of
    Parliament in the way we are supported
    any time we bring requests, as far as
    security is concerned. We would make
    sure that we pursue the President's agenda to make each and every person
    feel safe in Ghana.
    Thank you.
    Mr Agbodza 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    satisfied with the answer.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Very
    well. Then you would go on to ask
    Urgent Question (b) under the name of
    the same person.
    Steps to Fully Restore
    Nakpanduri Police Station
    Mr Kwame Governs Agodza (on
    behalf of (Mr Abed-Nego Azumah
    Bandim) (NDC - Bunkpurugu): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Minister for the
    Interior what steps the Ministry is taking
    to fully restore the Nakpanduri Police
    Station which was closed 12 years ago.
    Mr Dery 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Nakpanduri Police Post was opened in
    1965 as a Police Post which was later
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    upgraded to a Police Station in the

    Bunkpurugu District. It was closed

    down in 2012 due to the conflict

    between the Bimobas and the

    Konkombas leading to the posting of the

    police personnels on duty to the

    BunkuruguYunyoo Police Ddistrict

    under the Nakpanduri Police Station.

    Since 2012, personnel from

    Bunkpurugu-Yunyoo District are

    deployed on regular basis to Nakpanduri

    Township as operational men.

    In 2019, the rehabilitation of the

    Nakpanduri Police Station was awarded

    on contract to Wind Bunumgu

    Enterprise by the Bunkpurugu-

    Nakpanduri District Assembly. The

    reconstruction is currently ninety per

    cent (90%) complete and will be

    operationalised immediately after

    completion.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Thank
    you very much.
    Hon Member, any supplementary
    question?
    Mr Agbodza 11:01 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    May I ask the Hon Minister when the
    scheduled completion date for the
    rehabilitation of the police station is? He
    said work started in 2019 but obviously,
    there would be a planned completion
    date. When is it expected to be
    completed under this current
    conditions?
    Mr Dery 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as it is, I would say that we would await the completion because as he knows, this was awarded in 2019 and we had COVID-19. We are now impressing on the District Assembly that we want it fully completed. We hope that it would be completed before the middle of the year. That is what we hope for and immediately it is done, we would make sure that we operationalise it.
    Thank you.
    Mr Agbodza 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, when it is eventually completed, what would be its status? Is it going to just be a police station or would it be upgraded to maybe a district police station or something like that? What exactly would it be restored to?
    Mr Dery 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we would first operationalise it as a police station and of course, as we continue to operate, we would then consider the possibility of upgrading it. It would however be operationalised first as a police station as it was before it was closed down.
    Mr Agbodza 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank
    our Hon Colleague for the assurance.
    And thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Urgent Questions
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, on behalf of the House, let me
    thank the Hon Minister for the Interior
    for attending upon the House to come
    and answer two Urgent Questions. Hon
    Minister, we are grateful to you; and
    you are hereby discharged -
    rose
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Hon
    Minority Leader, you want to?
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 11:01 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    am not coming properly within the rules
    but this is just because he is the Minister
    for the Interior and home affairs. I got
    back to Parliament yesterday after
    travelling to Bawku, and I am frightened
    by what I saw while entering Bawku.
    So, I just would want to draw his
    attention that we should not take the
    matter in Bawku lightly. On two
    occasions, I was told that I could not
    enter, pass or go somewhere. That is the
    extent of the hate manifesting in
    excessive arms in wrong arms. Citizens
    are just sitting across, not relating to one
    another as they used to.
    Mr Speaker, sorry I have not come
    properly. Driving back, I have been
    frightened and I think that the
    deteriorating security situation in
    Bawku must receive the necessary and
    urgent attention of the Hon Minister for
    the Interior and probably also, the
    Minister for National Security.
    Thank you.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:01 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, this is not a question but just
    information. Unless you want to also tell
    the House something.
    Mr Dery 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, let me thank
    the Hon Minority Leader for raising the
    matter of Bawku which is very
    important to the security of this country.
    I would assure him that it all started with
    simple suspicion and later on, we
    deployed both the military and the
    police. When we did that, it was an
    ordinary deployment until we were
    shocked by an occurrence which was
    not easily understood. It did not involve
    the major stakeholders and in view of
    the fact that it is near the border where
    you would have extremists close, the
    last time, about 20 kilometres, there is
    reinforcement.

    If the Hon Minority Leader went

    there, he would have also seen the heavy

    armour that has been deployed. We are

    also conscious of the fact that, that alone

    is not adequate so we have deployed the

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    Peace Council to engage the area and

    the intervention of the Peace Council

    would bring down the tension that he

    saw. However, we are prepared to make

    sure that the status quo is respected and

    maintained and that no lawlessness

    would be tolerated.

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:11 a.m.
    Thank
    you very much, Hon Minister. You have
    already been discharged, anyway.
    I believe the Hon Minister for
    Gender, Children and Social Protection
    is not yet in the House?
    Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh 11:11 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I have communicated with the
    Hon Minister a while ago and she
    indicated to me that she just entered the
    premises of Parliament. Mr Speaker,
    you had also indicated that you have
    admitted a couple of Statements so
    could we please take the Statements
    after which we could revert to
    Questions?
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:11 a.m.
    Minority leadership, the Hon Minister is
    yet to enter the Chamber so while we
    wait for her could we take one
    Statement?
    Mr James K. Avedzi 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    we could take one Statement as we wait
    for the Hon Minister.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:11 a.m.
    The
    Hon Minister is already in the House, so
    we would take Questions.
    Hon Minister, you may take the
    appropriate seat.
    Hon Members, item numbered 6 - Questions.
    We would take Question 255 which
    stands in the name of the Hon Member
    for Keta,
    Mr Kwame Gakpey. I still did not
    -- 11:11 a.m.

    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey 11:11 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the middle name is
    “Dzudzorli” which means “happiness” or “rest”.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:11 a.m.
    Very
    well. The Hon Minister is available
    now, so you may ask your Question.
    Urgent Questions
    ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 11:11 a.m.

    MINISTRY OF GENDER, 11:11 a.m.

    CHILDREN AND SOCIAL 11:11 a.m.

    PROTECTION 11:11 a.m.

    Mr Gakpey 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the last
    paragraph of the Hon Minister's Answer indicated that; “this is to facilitate the targeting of the poor for social
    interventions including the LEAP
    Programme”. So, I would want to find out from her what the other social
    interventions she referred to are.
    Ms Dapaah 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we have
    various forms of help that we give to the
    poor and we also work with some of
    these donor agencies to help them. For
    instance, we have programmes that
    target households without good
    sanitation and we have a programme
    that they could access funding for to
    also habit and these are especially for
    those who are poor and sick, but mainly
    it is the LEAP.
    Mr Gakpey 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister in her answer also indicated
    that the Ministry is currently building a
    database for core poor in Ghana under
    the GNHR, so I would want to find out
    from her how long this database would
    take to commence?
    Ms Dapaah 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I listed
    out, these are in the Upper East, Upper West, North East, Savannah and the Northern Regions and it is the World Bank sponsored programme. I just received the report on Monday, so we would study and analyse it and come out with timelines.
    Mr Gakpey 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like to find out from the Hon Minister how often registrations take place? This is because in the second paragraph of her Answer, she indicated that the “eligibility for LEAP is based on poverty status and having at least one of the three demographic conditions such as households with orphans or vulnerable children (OVC)”.
    Ms Dapaah 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is an
    ongoing process. As we equip them and
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    they are empowered then we exit them.

    So it is a continuous process.
    Mr Andrew D. Chiwitey 11:11 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would want to find out from
    the Hon Minister the last time the
    Ministry enrolled beneficiaries unto the
    programme?
    Ms Dapaah 11:11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    want to assure the Hon Member that
    specifically, I would get the time and
    notify him.
    Ms Dzifa A. Gomashie 11:22 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would like to ask the Hon
    Minister, the possibility of having a
    special concession for all the people in
    the tidal wave communities that were
    affected last year to benefit from LEAP.
    How is that possible and what should we
    do to access that facility?
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, indeed,
    special concessions are made for people
    who are disaster-ridden like the flooded
    areas as well as the Appiatse areas. We
    are still waiting for funding and as soon
    as we get it, we would roll out - we have collected some data to that effect and so,
    as soon as we get money, we would see
    to that.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Member, let me hear you?
    Dr Godfred Seidu Jasaw 11:22 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I just would want to find out
    from the Hon Minister when was the last
    time they paid the beneficiaries of the
    LEAP Programme?
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we have
    arrears of four months and that is the
    fact.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    Very
    well.
    Hon Members, we would move to
    Question numbered 376 which stands in
    the name the Hon Member for Builsa
    South Constituency, Dr Clement Apaak.
    Measures to Prevent the Upper East
    Region from Recording 6,533
    Teenage Pregnancy Cases Going
    Forward
    Dr Clement A. Apaak (NDC - Builsa South) 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask
    the Minister for Gender, Children and
    Social Protection if the Ministry is
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    aware that the Upper East Region

    recorded the most teenage pregnancies

    in Ghana in 2020, and what the Ministry

    is doing to ensure that the Region does

    not record the 6,533 cases it did, going

    forward.
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    The Ministry is fully
    aware of the situation in the Upper East
    Region and is implementing a Five-
    Year Strategic Plan to address
    Adolescent Pregnancy in Ghana (2018-
    2022) to remedy the situation. Also, the
    Ministry, together with stakeholders
    undertook the following initiatives to
    reduce the phenomenon:
    1) Formed Parent Advocacy Groups and
    trained parents as
    advocates to support the
    sensitisation drive on
    preventing adolescent
    pregnancies.
    2) Formed a Regional Child Protection Committee
    which meets quarterly to
    deliberate on
    interventions by various
    stakeholders in
    preventing adolescent
    pregnancies.
    3) Engaged traditional leaders in the districts on
    how to create awareness
    on sexual and gender
    based violence including
    abstinence among
    adolescents to curb
    adolescent pregnancies.
    4) Trained queen mothers in mentoring adolescent
    girls on Sexual and
    Reproductive Health
    Rights, sex education
    and abstinence who
    serve as mentors to the
    adolescent girls.
    5) Engaged the public through radio
    discussions on issues
    around adolescent
    pregnancy.
    6) Embarked on school outreach programmes to
    educate pupils and
    students on their Sexual
    and Reproductive Health
    and Rights.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Apaak, any further questions?
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    Dr Apaak 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I appreciate
    the detailed response that the Hon
    Minister has given.
    My follow-up question is this;
    research shows that as far as the Upper
    East Region is concerned, most teenage
    pregnancies are the products of what is
    described as transactional sex. This is
    defined as the implicit assumption that
    sex is exchanged for material goods or
    other benefits including the desire to
    own cell phones and even to sometimes,
    eat noodles as well as the desire to
    procure sanitary pads.
    Would the Hon Minister consider a
    programme that would supply sanitary
    pads to young girls in the Upper East
    Region to reduce the tendency for them
    to engage in transactional sex?
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    wondering who is at the other end of the
    transactional arrangement? - [Laughter] -This is because, left to the purchasing and supply of sanitary pads
    alone, I do not think the girls would be
    going in for this illicit sex. At the end of
    the day, people lure them and who are
    these people? These are the hard
    questions that we should ask ourselves.
    At the end of the day, there is a
    programme by NGOs and other
    Agencies that do supply some of these
    sanitary towels. However, for me, a
    phone is a different kettle of fish
    altogether.
    Dr Apaak 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is
    important that we speak about these
    issues openly, honestly and
    transparently. The Hon Minister is right
    in asking who is at the other end - unscrupulous men. Some of these
    teenage pregnancies are as a result of
    rape and defilement. In that context, I
    would like to find out from the Hon
    Minister if she would support the idea of
    establishing a sex offender's database?
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    A sex
    offender's database. Hon Minister?
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    support it but I think the law enforcing
    agencies should be the right Agencies to
    have this data. We can be sure to supply
    all the evidenced-based information of
    which, we have a few on our files.
    However, it is not restricted to only the
    Upper East Region but all over the
    country and the world. Specifically, if
    we are to tackle it in Ghana, we would
    support it.
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    Dr Sebastian Ngmenenso

    Sandaare: Mr Speaker, I would just

    want to find out from the Hon Minister,

    what the driving factors are for teenage

    pregnancy in the Upper East Region?

    This is because she says the Ministry is

    fully aware of the situation.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, I do not know whether you got
    the question?
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, is it a
    proposal or suggestion or --?
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    Dr
    Sandaare, you may repeat the question.
    Dr Sandaare 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the
    Hon Minister's Answer, she said the Ministry is fully aware of the situation
    of teenage pregnancy in the Upper East
    Region and has proposed interventions.
    I am just asking, once the Ministry is
    fully aware, what are the factors that are
    leading or causing teenage pregnancy in
    the Upper East Region? I hope my
    question is clear now?
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, are you minded to answer the
    Question?
    Very well.
    Ms Dapaah 11:22 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is very
    clear. I thought the Hon Member gave a
    few scenarios as to why these girls are
    impregnated earlier than necessary and
    they are just hard facts. If there are any
    to add, we can add that but primarily,
    people lure them, some are raped, others
    are defiled by very close people:
    relatives, friends, and teachers and so
    on. So, these are the hard facts that we
    must face.
    Mr Hottordze 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister indicated in her Answer that
    they have formed parent advocacy
    groups to train parents in those affected
    areas so I would like to know from the
    Hon Minister how effective this group
    has been, especially in the Upper East
    Region? Mr Speaker, what are the
    mechanisms that have been put in place
    to determine the effectiveness of the
    various groups in the Upper East
    Region?
    Ms Dapaah 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I listed,
    we have a multi-faceted approach to
    resolve the problem, but the parents,
    caregivers and guidance are the first
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    contact with the victims. Mr Speaker, if

    we do the advocacies in our homes very

    well, then the situation could be

    controlled because that is the first point

    of call and I believe that the quarterly

    meetings we have with them as

    monitoring would bring out the

    successes as well as areas for

    improvement.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:31 a.m.
    Hon
    Member for Wa West?
    Mr Toobu 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the question
    is that there is a strategy that is supposed
    to work for five years from 2018 to
    2022, but in 2021, the Upper East
    Region recorded over 6,000 teenage
    pregnancies and I am saying that a
    strategy can only be better if it is the
    business of everybody every day. Mr
    Speaker, so I would want to know from
    the Hon Minister if the strategy is on
    course with regard to the situation in the
    Upper East Region.
    Ms Dapaah 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, indeed, it
    should be everybody's problem and that is why I said that it is a national canker
    that we need to resolve. Mr Speaker, we
    have requested for the figures so we
    would review them in the mid-year and
    return to the House with results.
    Ms Gomashie 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank
    you very much.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister is
    supervising the Ministry of Gender,
    Children and Social Protection and we
    appreciate that. For the first time, we
    have 40 women in Parliament and this
    is the Hon Minister has just indicated
    that they just launched the celebration,
    however, I am not sure that we received
    an invitation but I am sure that over the
    few hours -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:31 a.m.
    Hon
    Member -
    Ms Gomashie 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    getting to the Question so please allow
    me.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:31 a.m.
    You
    may go on but please move to the point.
    Ms Gomashie 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I admit
    that I do not know what is in the
    statement that the Hon Minister
    released, but since there are 40 women
    in Parliament, is it possible if we are
    used as ambassadors to work towards
    the reduction of teenage pregnancy
    across the country? My constituency is
    part of the list of constituencies with
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    high numbers of teenage pregnancies,

    so would the Hon Minister consider

    using us as ambassadors going forward.
    Ms Dapaah 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes. The
    launch we had this morning was for the
    media and we would seek permission to
    read a Statement on that day in
    Parliament. The Hon Chairman and Hon
    Ranking Member of the Committee are
    also liaising with the Ministry on the
    programmes that we have.
    However, in answering the direct
    question from the Hon Member, women
    can be the best ambassadors but we also
    need the men to also advise because it
    takes two to impregnate. Mr Speaker, if
    I have to choose, it would be that we
    should use the men mostly and the
    women would act as mentors and role
    models.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:31 a.m.
    Hon
    Member for Tamale North?
    Mr Alhassan S. Sayibu 11:31 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would commend the
    supervising Hon Minister for her
    responses. It is hard to be judgmental
    because she is not the substantive Hon
    Minister, but an answer she gave is the
    reason for my follow up question. Mr
    Speaker, her answer had to do with a
    question that relates to transactional sex.
    Mr Speaker, indeed, they may be
    victims in this case but it is not every
    time that they are unwillingly victims
    because we can say that they are needy
    victims. They are needy victims who
    can also lure because of the benefits of
    - and as the Hon Member said sadly - even to procure sanitary pads. So, I
    would want the Hon Minister to answer
    the question of what the State may be
    doing for girls who may be in such need
    of simple hygienic items like pads and
    educational materials that would help
    them to further their education? Mr
    Speaker, with all due respect, to leave it
    to NGOs and others, as her answer
    suggested, is not a good enough
    response to the question.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:31 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, did you get the question?
    Hon Members, sometimes we
    confuse the Hon Ministers because the
    prelude to the follow up questions are
    lengthy, to the extent that the Hon
    Minister may even lose focus. So,
    kindly go straight to the question.
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    Mr Sayibu 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am rightly
    guided. I was only attempting to lay a
    very solid foundation but if that is
    considered unnecessary, I would go
    straight to the question.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister in her
    answer to what the State is doing to
    provide the needs of girls who are either
    lured or because of that need also lure
    others to provide those need for them,
    said that the NGOs are in the business of
    providing items like sanitary pads. So, I
    am asking what the State is doing to cure
    the need of these girls to prevent them
    from being taken advantage of or they
    also using others to supply these needs
    for them.
    Ms Dapaah 11:31 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, there has
    not been any empirical proof that the
    girls in these transactions do so
    primarily for moneys to buy sanitary
    pads. This was an appendage to the
    premise laid by the Hon Member. Mr
    Speaker, yes, we do not have a budget
    from the State to purchase sanitary pads
    for people, but what we solicit from
    NGOs and agencies to do, is to help the
    vulnerable areas that have these
    problems.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:31 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, I would take the final
    supplementary question.
    Mr Albert A. Alalzuuga 11:41 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, thank you very much for the
    opportunity.
    Mr Speaker, I worked briefly with an
    NGO and one of the factors that is
    causing high teenage pregnancies in the
    region is poverty and the reason is that
    during the holidays, most of these
    teenagers travel to the cities to look for
    jobs so that they can get some money to
    return to school. That is the main cause.

    I want to ask whether the Hon

    Minister would take steps to identify

    some of these young people to train

    them in skills that they can engage in

    during the break and probably also help

    in the dry season gardening that can help

    them stay back at home when they go on

    break.
    Ms Dapaah 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, there are
    several interventions for such girls.
    Some do have their children and the
    children are taken by their mothers or
    guardians and they go back to school.
    Some are trained in other skills like
    hairdressing, dress making, catering, et
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    cetera. So those programmes are

    already on board.

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:41 a.m.
    Thank
    you, Hon Minister.
    Let me come to Question numbered
    378 in the name of the Hon Member for
    Yilo Krobo, Mr Albert Tetteh
    Nyakotey.
    Extension of School Feeding
    Programme to Some Schools in the
    Yilo Krobo Municipality
    Mr Albert Tetteh Nyakotey (NDC
    - Yilo Krobo): Mr Speaker, I rise to ask the Hon Minister for Gender, Children
    and Social Protection when the School
    Feeding Programme would be extended
    to the following schools in the Yilo
    Krobo Municipality: (i) Apersua M/A
    Primary School (ii) Besease Donguanor
    R/C Primary School (iii) Esuan Yilo
    M/A Primary
    School (iv) Klo-Agogo Presbyterian
    Basic School (v) Klo-Agogo R/C Basic
    School (vi) Klo-Agogo Anglican
    Primary School (vii) Klo-Agogo M/A
    Basic School (viii) Nkurakan M/A
    Basic School (ix) Nsutapong Methodist
    Basic School (x) Obawale Methodist
    KG/Primary School (xi) Perpertifi M/A
    KG/Primary School (xii) Sawer M/A
    KG/Primary School (xiii) Tsremati-
    Donguanor M/A Basic School (xiv)
    Aboa-Osuboniya Basic School (xv)
    Nsutapong M/A KG/Primary School
    (xvi) Tsakatsakami M/A Primary
    School.
    Ms Dapaah 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, currently,
    the expansion of the programme is on
    hold. We are clearing all arrears of
    caterers and putting in place measures to
    ensure effective and efficient service
    delivery to all beneficiary schools as
    well as caterers.
    We are also putting in place a
    Management Information System
    (MIS) to enhance efficiency and
    effectiveness of the system.
    We shall surely inform this august
    House when we are ready to expand the
    programme to cover additional schools.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:41 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, any supplementary question?
    Mr Nyakotey 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have a
    follow up question.
    Mr Speaker, in the 2019/2020 academic
    year, the instructional hours for basic
    schools was extended from 2.00 p.m. to
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    3.00 p.m. This year, the Ministry of

    Education sought to extend the hours to

    4.00 p.m.; what would the Ministry do

    to ensure that we do not keep our

    children in school unnecessarily for too

    long when we cannot provide food for

    them.
    Ms Dapaah 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we as a
    government for this nation, provide one
    hot meal to the children in school.
    Keeping the children beyond a
    particular period of time is not the
    prerogative of the Ministry of Gender,
    Children and Social Protection. It is
    squarely under the Ministry of
    Education.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Nyakotey 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in
    paragraph two of the Hon Minister's Answer, she said that the Ministry is
    putting in place Management
    Information System to enhance
    efficiency and effectiveness of the
    system. For me, this is purely a project.
    What is the completion date of this
    project?
    Ms Dapaah 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    software developers have submitted
    their final documents and we are going
    to review it with His Excellency the
    Vice President. After that, we can have
    the timelines of implementation.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:41 a.m.
    Thank
    you very much. This is a constituency-
    specific question so I would not take any
    other supplementary question from any
    Hon Member.
    Mr Nyakotey 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    my last supplementary question.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:41 a.m.
    Let us
    hear you.
    Mr Nyakotey 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, this is
    actually a suggestion to the Hon
    Minister. Mr Speaker, if the Ministry of
    Education is extending instructional
    hours for primary and kindergarten from
    2.00 to 4.00 p.m., I suggest that the
    Ministry should collaborate with your
    Ministry because we would be keeping
    the children in school for two extra
    hours.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:41 a.m.
    This
    is a suggestion so it does not demand an
    answer.
    Hon Members, we move to Question
    numbered 515, in the name of the Hon
    Member for Nalerigu/Gambaga.
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    Hon Member, you may ask your

    Question.

    Support for the Gambaga Witch

    Camp
    Mr Seidu Issifu (NDC - Nalerigu/Gambaga) 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    rise to ask the Hon Minister for Gender,
    Children and Social Protection what the
    Ministry is doing to support the
    Gambaga Witches Camp to take care of
    the alleged witches.
    Ms Dapaah 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, on the
    issue of how the Ministry is supporting
    the Gambaga Witches Camp, the
    Ministry has engaged traditional and
    opinion leaders to discuss issues around
    violence against women, gender
    stereotypes, attitudes and beliefs that
    condone violence. As part of the
    engagement, a communique was issued,
    which drew attention to the need to stop
    witchcraft accusations. This is barbaric,
    backward, and inhuman and does not
    have a place in modernity.
    In addition, a team from the Ministry
    led by the then Hon Minister in the year
    2020 also visited the camps in the
    northern part of Ghana which include
    Gambaga Witches Camp in the East
    Mamprusi District. She interacted with
    them and supplied them with
    mattresses, pillows, clothes, veils,
    slippers, food stuff among others. In
    addition to this, they were also given
    personal protective items such as nose
    masks and sanitizers.
    Again, the inmates of the camps were
    given two cycles of LEAP cash grant as
    emergency support and enrolled on to
    the LEAP Programme and the National
    Health Insurance Scheme as
    beneficiaries.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Issifu 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister has alluded in paragraph 2 that
    a team from the Ministry visited the
    Camp and made some donations to the
    alleged witches. These food items are
    not sustainable. On this particular visit
    the Hon Minister cut sod for the
    construction of a mechanised borehole
    and since then this borehole has not
    been constructed. I want to find out
    from the Hon Minister when exactly
    they would go back to site and complete
    this borehole.
    Ms Dapaah 11:41 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not
    aware of this promise so I would find
    out and if there is the need - fortunately, I am in charge of Sanitation and Water
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    Resources so I would take it up and we

    would provide one.

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Issifu 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I also want
    to thank the Minister for this assurance
    and certainly, I will follow-up to see
    how quickly we can take care of this.
    Mr Speaker, this particular Camp has
    over the past 16 years gotten support
    from a Canadian NGO. The intention of
    the managers of this Camp is to keep
    them, and then after a while, then they
    will reintegrate them back into the
    society. This is the role the NGO has
    played over the past 16 years.
    Unfortunately, this year, the NGO has
    pulled out. I would want to find out from
    the Hon Minister whether she is in the
    position to intervene to assist the Camp
    to integrate these inmates back into their
    communities?
    Ms Dapaah 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, our socio-
    cultural setup is such that once a person
    is accused of witchcraft, getting back
    into the same community is almost
    impossible; it is a personal choice. No
    one can force people to move from
    wherever they are to another place
    unless and until they decide to do so. I
    am aware of the problem, but I would
    not be the one to decide. If there is any
    support to give, the Ministry will give it.
    But we know it is a problem, that is why
    the NGO has pulled out. People do not
    want to go back because they would be
    ostracised, they would be looked-down
    upon, and they would be insulted. We
    do not want the elderly women to go
    through that.
    rose
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Issifu, I thought you had exhausted your
    time?
    Mr Issifu 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am on my
    second supplementary question.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    I will
    give you the last slot.
    Mr Issifu 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want
    to make a correction. The Gambaga
    Camp or the inmates were about 150
    some time ago. This NGO that has
    worked with them for the past 16 years
    managed to integrate almost half of the
    inmates back into their communities.
    Mr Speaker, the integration exercise is
    working very well. The NGO decided to
    pull out because they had challenges
    with funding -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, your question.
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    Mr Issifu 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I just want to
    put on record that it is possible to
    reintegrate them, and that it is
    something the Hon Minister should look
    at.
    Mr Speaker, the last question - the Hon Minister also mentioned in
    paragraph 3 of her Answer that the
    inmates were supported with the LEAP
    Programme. This programme is in
    arrears for about four months as the Hon
    Minister alluded to. May I know when
    exactly they will be paid? These are
    vulnerable women who have nothing to
    do, and therefore, depend on the LEAP.
    Ms Dapaah 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I cannot
    say as I stand here, but we chase it every
    day of the week. So as soon as we access
    the money, they will be paid.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Very
    well, this is a constituency specific
    Question, so I would not extend any
    back-pass to anybody.
    Hon Members, we would move to
    Question numbered 724.
    An Hon Member - rose -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, no I will not give you the
    opportunity.
    Hon Members, please bear with me.
    Question numbered 724, it stands in the
    name of the Hon Member for
    Asuogyaman.
    rose
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Kofi Adams, are you the Hon Member
    for Asuogyaman?
    Mr K. I. Adams 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    not but I have the Hon Member's permission to seek your leave to ask the
    Question on his behalf. As you are very
    much aware, he has just been -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    All
    right, let us hear you.
    Measures to ensure Teenage
    Mothers Return to School or Learn a
    Trade
    Mr Kofi Iddie Adams on behalf of
    (Mr Thomas Nyarko Ampem) (NDC
    -Asuogyaman): Mr Speaker, I rise to
    ask the Hon Minister for Gender,
    Children and Social Protection what
    measures are being taken to ensure that
    teenage mothers return to school or
    learn a trade.
    Ms Dapaah 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Ministry of Gender, Children and Social
    Protection in collaboration with other
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    stakeholders specifically the Ghana

    Education Service has undertaken

    specific interventions to ensure that all

    adolescents are fully empowered to

    prevent early and unplanned

    pregnancies. The Ministry is currently

    carrying out the following:

    • Formed Parent Advocacy Groups and trained parents as advocates to support the sensitisation drive on preventing adolescent pregnancies.

    • Formed a Regional Child Protection Committees which meet quarterly to deliberate on interventions by various stakeholders in preventing Adolescent Pregnancies.

    • Engaged thirty traditional leaders on how to create awareness on Sexual and Gender Based Violence including abstinence among adolescents to curb adolescent pregnancies.

    • Trained Queen Mothers in mentoring adolescent girls on Sexual and Reproductive Health Rights, Sex education and abstinence who serve as mentors to the adolescent girls.

    • Engaged the public through radio discussions on issues around Adolescent Pregnancy.

    • Embarked on school

    outreach programmes to educate pupils and students on their Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights.

    The Girls' Education Unit of the Ghana Education Service has designed a policy document titled, “Guidelines for Prevention of Pregnancy among School Girls and Facilitation of Re-Entry into School after Childbirth”.
    Mr K. I. Adams 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    would want to thank the Hon Minister
    for the elaborate Answer, especially the
    preventive aspect. I would want to find
    out from the Hon Minister if there is any
    special programme for training the
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    teenage mothers in any trade for those

    who do not want to get back to school.

    That part of the Question was not

    captured in the Answer that was given.
    Ms Dapaah 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if I heard
    the Hon Member right, he asked
    whether we have special interventions
    for those girls who do not want to go
    back to school.
    Mr Speaker, the Question was
    specific that what measures are being
    taken to ensure that teenage mothers
    return to school or learn a trade? I think
    I have given those answers. For those
    who want to go back to school, they are
    re-admitted. For those who do not want
    to go back, they are trained in skills.
    Mr K. I. Adams 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I did
    not see the part on skill training. May I
    ask the Hon Minister if she can give us
    an outline of some of the skill training
    programmes available for these?
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, file a separate Question.
    Mr K. I. Adams 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    thought the Hon Minister said they have
    some training programmes. The Hon
    Member in whose name the Question
    would want me to follow-up on that
    after going through the Answer.
    Ms Dapaah 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the girls
    are put into training to come out as hair
    dressers, they are trained in catering;
    they are trained in trading, dressmaking
    and any other vocation that they are
    interested in. At times, they are
    empowered with incentives in cash or in
    kind to ensure that they ply their trade.
    12. 01 p.m.
    Mr Edwin Nii Lantey
    Vanderpuye: Mr Speaker, I thank you
    very much for the opportunity to probe
    further on the Question that has been
    asked by the Hon Thomas Ampem
    Nyarko, the Hon Member of Parliament
    for Asuogyaman.
    Mr Speaker, in the Answer of the
    Hon Minister, she enumerated a lot of
    measures. I would want to know
    whether she has a particular scheme to
    measure the effectiveness of these
    measures that she has been adopting.
    Ms Dapaah 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    monitoring results can be provided, but
    it would be provided later.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, on behalf of the House, I
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    would like to thank you for attending

    upon the House to answer five

    Questions. We are grateful; you are

    hereby discharged.

    Hon Members, we would now move

    on to the item numbered 7 -

    Hon Majority Chief Whip, any -?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 11:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    indeed, we would move on to the item
    numbered 7, and if you may, I am aware
    the Hon Deputy Majority Leader had
    some communication to put out a
    Statement. I am aware that you have
    already admitted one Statement, but I
    seek your leave for us to take the first
    one which stands in the name of the Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader, after which we
    can move on to the next Statement.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 11:51 a.m.
    Very
    well.
    Hon Deputy Majority Leader, let us
    hear you?
    STATEMENTS 11:51 a.m.

    Majority Leader, Osei Kyei 12:11 p.m.
    None

    Bonsu and our Hon First Deputy

    Speaker, Mr Joseph Osei-Owusu, their

    contributions leave us with no doubt

    that indeed this House is made of

    substance.

    Mr Speaker, we had great advocates

    on the floor of this House, who made

    their contributions, and I believe that the

    time has come for us to compliment

    them and urge them on. Anytime that

    the Hon Minority Leader, Mr Haruna

    Iddrisu is on his feet, I listen to him with

    rapt attention. It does not really matter

    his views about Government, but it is

    about the substance in his submissions.

    Therefore, on a day like this, I would

    want Hon Members to join me in

    celebrating the greatness of these

    patriots of our country. We must

    remember all that they did and continue

    to do for Parliament.

    Mr Speaker, I cannot end without

    saying a few words in honour of my own

    Hon respected Colleague and senior

    brother, Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah.

    Today is his 48th birthday. He is four

    years my senior because I am 44 years

    and he is 48 years. Indeed, the small

    Mr Speaker, this great friend entered

    this House and the records has it that he

    is a PhD economist; a contemporary

    monetary economist of our time. He has

    double masters. He represented the

    good people of New Juabeng South, he

    was in this House for eight years, and

    became the Chairman of the Finance

    Committee. The contribution that Dr

    Assibey-Yeboah made on the floor of

    this House is known to all of us. He was

    one person who took it upon himself to

    mentor his own Hon Colleagues. I

    benefited from his knowledge and

    wisdom, and I would want history to

    record all his teachings and tutorials. He

    joined many honourable seniors of this

    House to train his own Hon Colleagues

    who were first-timers. Today is his

    birthday; he is no more with us on the

    Statements

    floor of this House, but if I am

    celebrating men of honour in this

    House, I cannot miss his name,

    especially, the role that he played in my

    own parliamentary career. I thank him

    so much, and I believe that many great

    men with us would continue to mentor

    the young ones to build capacity and

    confidence.

    Mr Speaker, advocacy on the floor of

    this House does not come easy. One

    would need to build capacity because

    one may have his PhD, may be a

    chartered accountant, may be a

    professional and may have his years of

    experience, but this House has its own

    unique characteristics, and one would

    need somebody to run him through the

    rules and guide him on how to advocate

    and put across his case. Therefore, Mr

    Speaker, hate him or love him, the Hon

    Majority Leader, Mr Osei Kyei-

    Mensah-Bonsu is there, and hate him or

    love him, my good friend Hon Minority

    Chief Whip, Alhaji Mohammed-

    Mubarak Muntaka is also there. When it

    comes to procedure, he would always

    hold his rules book to make his point.

    Mr Speaker, we are all of the same

    stock, we are all partakers of the same

    nature, and share in the same hope.

    There is one Ghana and there is one

    Parliament. Let us complement each

    other, celebrate each other and make the

    best out of our enterprise in this House.

    Mr Speaker, if you see Hon Members

    of Parliament who have exited and the

    kind of situations they find themselves

    in. it reminds us of the need for us to

    bond properly. It is not always about the

    National Democratic Congress (NDC)

    and the New Patriotic Party (NPP) as the

    Hon Ken Agyapong puts it some years

    back; it is about the relationship.

    Mr Speaker, if we allow partisanship

    to continue to divide us, we would

    continue to polarise politics and nothing

    good would come out of it. The time has

    come for the political class to know that

    it must champion the national interest in

    a manner that the people of Ghana

    would respect them, that these are men

    of honour who have been called to duty,

    and their commitment to national

    assignment is unmatched.

    Mr Speaker, the image of Parliament,

    according to research, is at an all-time

    low. What can we do? We must rise

    above board even in the way we engage

    each other in the media and discuss

    issues; we must demonstrate respect for

    each other, and be courteous in manners

    Statements

    even when we speak on matters we

    disagree on.

    Mr Speaker, we have all erred in one

    way or the other, but today is the

    beginning of Lent. I had a Mass this

    morning, I took communion and the

    Reverend Father administered the ash

    on my forehead. In the 40 days ahead of

    us, I look forward to a period of

    reflection. I make this call on all Hon

    Colleagues that we take this opportunity

    to reflect and know that we need not

    undermine each other or look for the fall

    of the other for us to rise. It is never so.

    The day that the grand leveller of all

    human greatness reduces us to the same

    state, we would proceed with pride that

    we served our nation and we are proud

    of our contribution to nation building.

    Mr Speaker, with these, I thank you.

    Obviously, Hon Members are anxious

    to make their own comments in support

    of this Statement. I thank you so much,

    and I once again wish Dr Mark Kwame

    Assibey-Yeboah a happy 48th birthday.

    Mr Edwin Nii Lantey Vanderpuye

    (NDC - Odododiodioo): Mr Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity

    to contribute to the Statement ably made

    by the Hon Deputy Majority Leader, Mr

    Afenyo-Markin.

    Mr Speaker, I totally agree with

    him on two issues he has raised.

    Sentimentally, I see the life of a lot of

    our Colleagues who left this House, and

    I feel sad. As we reflect on this

    Statement, we must look at whether the

    exit regime in place in this House is

    good enough to enhance the image of

    Parliament. It is appalling for you to see

    a fellow Hon Member of this House exit

    and live a life of squalor and

    depravation. Some of them who exited

    this House could not take care of their

    own medical expenses, and some die in

    horrible states.

    Mr Speaker, the demands on MPs

    makes it extremely difficult for them to

    make savings or do pension schemes to

    take care of themselves. In fact, when

    they have even exited this House, there

    is still pressure on them because the

    people on the ground do not know the

    difference between a retired and a

    sitting MP. They would still go to them

    with their problems. It is therefore

    important that as we reflect on our

    contributions in this House, we must

    also start taking account of the life after

    here, and see what meaningful

    mechanism we can put in place to, at

    least, cushion Hon Members who exit

    this House and take on life after here.

    Statements

    The other issue the Hon Deputy

    Majority Leader raised is attrition. I

    would want to cite the Hon Majority

    Leader who has severally lamented on

    the attrition rate in this House. The Hon

    Afenyo-Markin mentioned Hon

    Assibey-Yeboah — a wonderful person. The question is: na who cause am? If

    you sell your colour television set to buy

    black and white, you would suffer to

    watch - [Interruption]. I am not making reference to Mark Assibey-Yeboah; it is

    general. Sometimes, our people do not

    look at the contributions their Hon

    Members of Parliament make; they look

    at patronage, money, and others. Fine

    MPs have left this House and the House

    has become worse off because the

    people out there do not look at the

    contribution of the person in the House,

    and the development of the country. Our

    people look at personalities, individuals,

    and names.

    But for God, a fine MP like the Hon

    Second Deputy Speaker would have

    been out. Mr Speaker, but for God, we

    would have lost you. We would not

    have had someone like you perform this

    wonderful role as the Second Deputy

    Speaker. We should be grateful to God

    Almighty that you are sitting here today.

    I say this because as politicians,

    sometimes, we, in this House, sabotage

    our own Hon Colleagues out there

    because of one reason or the other. In

    this House, we know some Hon

    Members who would go to another's constituency, and help in upstaging the

    latter in primaries, and we expect that

    that cohesion and love for one another

    would persist in advancing our cause.

    Mr Speaker, the investment

    Parliament makes in an MP for a term is

    so huge; we cannot buy it anywhere in

    any academic institution. Therefore, if

    after one term, the person is thrown out,

    how would it feel to have another

    resources invested in another person

    who comes the next time? So, I agree

    totally with my Hon Colleague that we

    should carefully examine these issues,

    and see how we can make this House

    richer by retaining the good materials

    that we have, and also assisting our

    people when they leave this House, to

    live a meaningful life out there.

    Mr Speaker, with these few words, I

    thank you for giving me the opportunity

    to contribute to the Statement.
    Mr Kennedy Nyarko Osei (NPP - Akim Swedru) 12:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I just want
    to add a few words to what my Hon
    Colleagues have already put across.
    Today, we are celebrating these great
    men who have held various leadership
    Statements

    positions in this House. Mr Speaker,

    they did not attain those enviable

    positions as a result of being in this

    House for just a term or two and then

    voted out; they stayed in for a while to

    build on the various experiences over

    the past years. It calls for all of us,

    especially the constituents who sent us

    here, to understand that one day, we can

    also become leaders with those enviable

    qualities if we stay for long and learn the

    nitty-gritty in the House. Mr Speaker,

    one cannot just come to this House for a

    term or even two to know everything; it

    takes time for one to understand the

    rudiments of the work done in

    Parliament.

    12. 21 p. m.

    Sometimes it is very difficult when

    you see an Hon Colleague who just

    come in and maybe, at his peak, we take

    him out or we remove him.

    Mr Speaker, one other thing I would

    like to speak about, which my Hon

    Colleague, the Hon Nii Lantey

    Vanderpuye, has already spoken about,

    is out there. The impression has been

    created as if MPs - sometimes, I even argue with some people, that they think

    “Oh, they give them this”; “they give them fuel coupons”, and “they have

    that”. Mr Speaker, how many MPs - none of the MPs sitting here gets fuel

    coupons. Who gives us those fuel

    coupons? We buy fuel from our own

    pockets, but out there, the impression

    has been created that they give us

    coupons.

    Mr Speaker, so I think it is important

    that we have to, as Members, also plan

    to build ourselves. While we are

    building ourselves in-house, we should

    also build our capacities out there when

    we are exiting because we are not going

    to stay here for long or forever.

    One day, we will leave this House.

    Leaving this House, life outside is what

    is most important to us, and I would like

    to encourage everybody here that it does

    not take, let us say, a very huge thing to

    plan for our exit. The moment we enter

    this House, we may want to plan for our

    exit because we do not know whether

    the next morning or the next election

    cycle, we are going out. So, let us as

    Members, if collectively we cannot do

    it, then I would urge individually; you

    have to plan properly so that when we

    exit, life outside would not be miserable

    for us.

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    Mr Speaker, on that note, I would just

    like to end here so that my Hon

    Colleagues can also continue.

    Thank you.

    Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza

    (NDC - Adaklu): Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. I would like to

    also thank my Hon Colleague, the

    Deputy Majority Leader, for the

    Statement. Mr Speaker, it is not easy to

    reflect on one's own lot to make a bold Statement, so I thank him for the

    opportunity.

    Mr Speaker, without doubt,

    Parliament has shaped this country; the

    very reason why people even have the

    capacity to question what Parliament

    does; why citizens question what the

    Judiciary do and the Executive does is

    simply because of the laws and things

    we produce in this House. Mr Speaker,

    in effect, Parliament even reinforces the

    voice of the people to be able to demand

    what is rightfully theirs, so I think the

    Statement made by my Hon Colleague

    is very important.

    Mr Speaker, do we have an

    alternative to Parliament? I do not think

    so. In my view, Parliament is the

    definition of democracy. There are

    many countries in this world which we

    call countries but they do not organise

    any election; there are Courts and there

    is an Executive, but there is no

    Parliament that is effective enough to be

    able to champion anything. Divergent

    views are completely out of the

    question, and that is why I do not share

    in the belief when I hear people say that

    the image of the Eighth Parliament is

    low. How can it be low? It is just that

    this is the Eighth Parliament; we are

    trying to adjust to what is expected of

    the Eighth Parliament, and both the

    Executive and Parliament found it quite

    - I mean the adjustment was necessary.

    Mr Speaker, believe me, if the Eighth

    Parliament did not start the way it

    started, you would not have been sitting

    there as the Hon Second Deputy

    Speaker. That is the fact. So, I do not

    believe that this Parliament's image is low. The adjustment at the beginning

    was a bit unusual but I think as time

    goes on we shall do better.

    Mr Speaker, I would also like to

    comment on the people who have gone

    through this House. There are many

    who have gone through this House

    Statements

    without being noticed, and it is

    important that we notice those whose

    efforts have also been able to do a lot.

    The names are a lot, and he has

    mentioned some of them. And since he

    has mentioned our former Hon

    Colleague, the Hon Dr Assibey-

    Yeboah, I would also make a little

    comment about him.

    Mr Speaker, Dr Assibey-Yeboah was

    a very friendly person. As a matter of

    fact, those who were on the Finance

    Committee of the Seventh Parliament

    would notice that he did not mind

    inviting me to their meeting and telling

    everybody that he brought me as his

    consultant on built environment issues

    though I am not from his party. And

    with the views I proposed, if they made

    sense to him, he took them. That makes

    him quite a different person in terms of

    a Member of Parliament, and I agree

    that he could be remembered for this.

    Mr Speaker, as for the reason why at

    the peak of his contribution towards this

    House he is no longer here, I would

    leave that to the conscience of the

    Majority. I agree that it was not

    Members of Parliament who asked him

    not to come here, but I feel that when

    you are a Chairman of the Finance

    Committee in this House, you have a

    task bigger than many of us because if

    we look at the number of referrals that

    go to some Committees, maybe, Public

    Accounts Committee (PAC) or Finance

    Committee, they are huge. And you

    would realise that they spend so much

    time trying to go through things to get

    them right before they come to the

    plenary. I wish Dr Assibey-Yeboah,

    wherever he is, that I think he is still a

    very young man, and that he should not

    take his exit from this House as exit

    from politics or anything. I am sure he

    can do a bit more.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to remind

    myself of my own former MP, Hon

    Stephen Akorli. Today, when you see a

    Fund called Road Fund, which we are

    arguing about, significantly, those were

    the days that they gave birth to those

    Funds that became the corner stone for

    the development of roads in this

    country. Mr Speaker, the last time I

    checked, despite all the borrowings that

    we have been doing, despite GoG, if you

    check the Hon Minister for Roads and

    Highways' Meet the Press, the Road Fund's contribution of the construction of roads in this country is still larger

    than all the borrowings that we have

    done. I was surprised when the Road

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    Fund contributed about GH₵4.5 billion. GoG funds were less than that, and the

    donor funds were less than that. So

    indeed, Parliament has shaped this

    country, and we can can do better than

    we have done so far and that is why I

    think that, maybe, we should find a day

    where we reflect on our contributions to

    this country publicly.

    As for the misconceptions about

    Parliament, whether it is fuel coupons,

    free vehicles or free everything, I think

    those ones, with time, we shall

    overcome but it is important that the

    Statement made by our Hon Colleague,

    the Deputy Majority Leader, today, we

    should find a day in every year to be

    able to reflect on what we do as

    Parliament and let the public know. And

    probably, even take it outside this

    Chamber and engage the country so that

    we can improve on on the contributions

    of Parliament to the development of this

    country.

    Mr Speaker, thank you very much for

    the opportunity.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, let me come to Leadership.
    Yes, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
    Alhaji Muntaka 12:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    know you have other Statements but
    with the shown interest, maybe, if you
    could be minded to take one more, I
    think it would be useful. Maybe, if you
    would limit them to two or three
    minutes, I think it would be useful.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:31 p.m.
    Very
    well. So many people are desirous of contributing to the Statement. Let me come to the Hon Member for South Dayi.
    Mr Rockson-Nelson Etse Kwami
    Dafeamekpor (NDC - South Dayi): Mr Speaker, I thank you for the
    opportunity to add a few words to the
    Statement made by the Deputy Majority
    Leader.
    Mr Speaker, the Deputy Majority
    Leader in his viva voce Statement made
    mention of the development of our
    Parliamentary jurisprudence, and that is
    why it is important that these days,
    rulings of Speakers are going on record
    for purposes of future references.
    Mr Speaker, names have been
    mentioned today, and I would like to
    add to that list a name such as Hon Papa
    Owusu-Ankomah. Mr Speaker, when
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    we were young, these were persons who

    held us spell-bound with their delivery

    on this Floor.

    Mr Speaker, these were names that

    when you heard them speak, whatever

    they were discussing was immaterial but

    they made sense. Of course, before our

    own great Edward Doe Adjaho became

    Speaker, he had a very powerful way of

    making his point on this Floor and, of

    course, the man who has become the

    longest serving Member of this House,

    the venerable Hon Osei Kyei-Mensah-

    Bonsu. He too has a very erudite way of

    bringing knowledge to bear on whatever

    the matter is on the Floor, particularly,

    in matters of procedures.

    Mr Speaker, indeed, it is a pity that

    we lost a Member like Ras Mubarak

    after a first term, but he made his mark

    on this Floor as a Member who served

    for only four years. We were Colleagues

    but on matters of procedure and

    contributions on this Floor, my Hon

    Brother Ras Mubarak deserves mention.

    Then, I would zero in on Hon Samuel

    Okudzeto Ablakwa. Young as he is, in

    his third term, his contributions and

    almost daily editing of our Votes and

    Proceedings have become the standard

    bearer of matters in that regard. So, he

    also deserves mention. Of course, in

    matters of finance, my own Hon

    Brother, Isaac Adongo, ranks high and

    my Hon Brother Alhaji Suhuyini Sayibu

    on matters of the media, free speech,

    and other matters.

    Mr Speaker, I recalled that as a first

    time Member of this House, even

    though I was not a Member of the

    Finance Committee, Hon Dr Assibey-

    Yeboah observed that we were

    committed to matters by our

    contributions to getting Bills enacted to

    laws. So, anytime there were Bills

    before the Finance Committee, Hon Dr

    Assibey-Yeboah would call myself,

    Hon Ahiafor, and a few others to join

    them in considering those Bills.

    Somehow, those invitations also

    deepened my knowledge in financial

    matters and matters of public finance, so

    it was not by accident or history that I

    got roped into what became the

    Winnowing Committee by the Leader of

    the House in the Seventh Parliament.

    So, Mr Speaker, like I often quote

    John Keats, it is my own deeds I will

    mythologise. Today, we are

    mythologising the Hon Assibey-

    Yeboah for his contributions. A lot of

    the controversial financial policies and

    Statements

    loans we took in this House would have

    run into some difficulties but for him

    and the dexterity with which he worked.

    He had a way of working deep into the

    night and getting those Bills passed. He

    also had a way of getting some of us, the

    troublesome boys, silenced.

    He would get such Members

    involved in the consideration and when

    one is part of the Report and it comes to

    the Floor, how is the Member going to

    disagree with him? These are leadership

    styles that some Hon Members brought

    to bear in their leadership of managing

    some sensitive Committees. I would

    want to urge other Members who are

    Chairmen and Ranking Members of

    Committees to, at least, learn from how

    Dr Assibey-Yeboah handled the

    Finance Committee when he was here.

    Mr Speaker, I cannot wind up

    without placing my searchlight on you.

    As a young Member of this House, your

    contributions were such that even

    though with all the difficulties you had,

    Fomena returned you to the House and

    today you are sitting in the Chair as the

    Hon Second Deputy Speaker of the

    Parliament of the Republic of Ghana.

    That is such a great achievement. The

    history book of Parliament and that of

    the Republic of Ghana cannot be written

    minus you and, indeed, like the biblical

    quotation goes, the stone that the

    builders rejected has now become the

    cornerstone.

    Mr Speaker, with these words, I

    thank the Hon Deputy Majority Leader

    for this Statement.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:51 p.m.
    Now,
    let me come to Leadership.
    Minority Chief Whip (Alhaji
    Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka):
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    When the Hon Deputy Majority
    Leader was on his feet to make this
    Statement, I was a bit worried and
    confused. I was worried and confused
    because I did not know what really
    motivated him to make the Statement
    and my real wish is that he was making
    this Statement from the bottom of his
    heart with all sincerity. I say this
    because a number of times as
    politicians, we say one thing and try to
    do another thing, and I agree with him
    on almost all the points he raised.
    Mr Speaker, one of the things I have
    said on the floor of this House is, why
    we wait for one of us to be dead before
    we would come to this House to
    eulogise him or her? Why do we not
    cultivate the habit of eulogising our
    Statements

    living heroes, Colleagues, who have

    really contributed to the development of

    this Parliament? The Hon Majority

    Leader and some few Hon Colleagues

    who are here would remember that the

    late Rt Hon Peter Ala Adjetey

    developed a system where at the end of

    the year or Meeting, a certificate is

    given to Members of Parliament (MP)

    for their performance during either the

    Session or life of the Parliament.

    I remember he had some challenges

    because when he instituted the first one,

    majority of those who got the

    certificates and awards were Members

    on the Other Side, and his party was

    never happy with him. I would talk

    about the political parties and the role

    that they have played in the deep

    confusion and worry that all of us have

    now.

    Mr Speaker, I was not here but the

    Hon Majority Leader and the Hon

    Cletus Avoka were there; maybe, if they

    get the opportunity, they would speak to

    this. When the New Patriotic Party

    (NPP) first came to Parliament in 1997,

    in fact, the political party made it so

    hostile that Hon Colleagues were afraid

    to be seen even talking to each other

    because almost all the political parties

    had taken some kind of entrenched

    position, so they made it look as if once

    the person belongs to the other Side,

    automatically, that person is your

    enemy and you should not even be seen

    having a kind of friendship.

    Mr Speaker, even those of us latter

    day saints who came in the - My Hon Colleague, the Hon Majority Whip, is

    asking whether I am a latter day saint.

    When people do 50 years in Congress

    and we are doing just 20 years, he is

    asking if I am a latter day saint? If his

    wish is that this Parliament must grow,

    we must make sure that people grow and

    take this position as a profession. They

    stay virtually almost all their life

    contributing to the development of that

    Parliament. That is what others have

    done.

    Today, even two terms is a luxury in

    this House. Look at the turnover which

    is so high. I do not know how we are

    going to do it, but one thing that we must

    find solution to is the way we try to

    vilify one another. We are always trying

    to talk one another down and trying to

    make the other useless or less important.

    We are always talking against one time

    another and all of us are guilty, myself

    inclusive because if a Member speaks

    one time against me, I would want to

    speak three times against the person.

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    Then, the person would come back with

    four and I would come back with five

    and it goes on and on.

    Mr Speaker, I had a great privilege in

    2009 to sit in Cabinet with the Hon

    Member for Zebilla, Mr Cletus Avoka. I

    remember vividly when the late

    President Mills was the President and

    the former Hon Attorney General and

    Minister for Justice and other Hon

    Members talked about things that other

    former Hon Ministers of the former

    President Kufuor's Government did the late Professor Mills said, “I am ready to make the sacrifice so that this country

    can move on. I am not interested in the

    prosecution of opponents from the other

    side. If there are things that we could do

    to make amends, we should do so, but I

    would not prosecute them”. I am saying this because Hon Avoka is a living

    witness. At that time, many of us who

    were young thought that the former

    President Kufuor imprisoned Kwame

    Peprah and Sipa Yankey so why would

    President Mills let him and his Hon

    Ministers get away with all these, but he

    stood his ground and said that tit for tat

    would not take this country anywhere. I

    also remember when he screamed at one

    of our Hon Colleagues and said, “You

    think you were hurt; I was equally hurt.

    I was abroad and they came to my house

    with security guards to meet my wife

    and took away vehicles. I was equally

    hurt but I would not take my hurt for a

    revenge.''

    Mr Speaker, we are all living

    witnesses. Throughout his tenure and

    the tenure of former President John

    Dramani Mahama, not a single person

    from the Other Side was arraigned. I

    stand corrected if I am wrong. What do

    we see today? We sit with our Hon

    Colleagues in the Chamber and we

    nicely talk to them, and in the next

    moment, we provide witness against

    them for them to be prosecuted and we

    say that we should leave as - Nobody has said that if somebody commits a

    crime, the person should get away with

    it, but we cannot be seen clearly in a

    vindictive manner abusing our Hon

    Colleagues and, in other instances, we

    want to live together as friends - we cannot do that. We cannot have our cake

    and eat it. We set the grounds and then

    it becomes hostile and difficult.

    Mr Speaker, as I said, I do not know

    how we would overcome this but I

    remember vividly when we visited

    former President Kufuor and he said,

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    “My nephews, you see where I live in the airport residential area, go and check

    the owners of the houses”. Very few politicians lived in that area but they

    were busy every day on each other's neck. While others were looting our

    State, we are busy defending them,

    insulting each other, and trying to vilify

    each other. Let us try to create the

    political class. Yes, if there is

    wrongdoing, we all support it,

    regardless of which political party the

    person is from, for the person to be

    prosecuted but let us create the political

    class where when there are difficulties,

    there would be people who could sit in

    the room and be able to chart a decision

    so that when they come out, we could all

    say no. For example, if it is Hon

    Afenyo-Markin, Hon Annoh-Dompreh,

    Hon Muntaka, and Hon Agbodza who

    have come together with a particular

    decision, would we all embrace it?

    Could we say that today? No! I do not

    see it in my political party, that there is

    one person who can come out and say

    something for everybody to say that

    once it has come from that particular

    person, it is done. I do not know of the

    other Side.

    Mr Speaker, I remember very well

    that when the NDC was in power and Dr

    Kwabena Adjei was the National

    Chairman, he took certain steps and I

    thought they were golden steps but they

    got lost. I was a member of the

    Functional Executive Committee (FEC)

    when that decision was to be taken for

    him to visit the national headquarters of

    the NPP in opposition. There were a lot

    of hawks on our Side who said no,

    because it would be demeaning and

    show signs of weakness on our part

    because we were in power so if there is

    anything at all, we should encourage

    them to come first but Dr Kwabena

    Adjei said no, we had to go and he led a

    team of NDC to visit the national

    headquarters of the NPP. He said, “I am hopeful that this goodwill I have shown,

    they reciprocate it” but he died a disappointed person because it was

    never reciprocated and the few hawks

    got the day. They blamed us and told us

    how we had embarrassed them.

    Mr Speaker, with the greatest of

    respect, today, let us call a spade a

    spade. Who, among us in this House,

    could courageously say that when his or

    her political party says a thing, he or she

    would say otherwise? There were

    instances where at first I got so angry

    and I would say - Sometimes, I do not know what you think because you are

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    elected national officers - I was in FEC before many of you came, so do not look

    at me because I am an Hon Member of

    Parliament; I am just an ordinary

    member of this political party and I have

    served this political party all this while.

    The Hon Minority Leader has been a

    youth organiser, so they should not look

    down upon us as if they could just call

    and instruct us. At least, let us discuss it

    and build consensus. How many of us

    are able to do that?

    Mr Speaker, with your own good self

    -the Constitution is very clear that if you had cross-carpettered”, your seat would be declared vacant. I am not a

    lawyer, but I am very convinced that the

    framers of our Constitution were very

    clear on their mind - They never intended to give the political party the

    power to dismiss an Hon Member and

    get that Hon Member out of Parliament.

    That was not their intent, but yet, with

    the greatest of respect to the old

    professor, his political party put

    pressure on him to claim that the party

    had dismissed you even without putting

    it before this House. If we do not wake

    up to the reality of what is happening,

    this Eighth Parliament may just be the

    beginning. Maybe, in the Ninth and

    other Parliaments, one party would be in

    Government and the other party would

    control Parliament absolutely, not like

    this neck to neck. We should imagine - for those who say that we should take

    uncompromising positions, assert

    ourselves and show them that we are

    137 - I pray that the day that the other Side would get the opportunity, they

    would not come to us and say, “please, can you talk to your friend” because we would have broken all the friendship

    bridges among us.

    Mr Speaker, in the same way, our Hon

    Colleagues at the other Side must also

    appreciate that times have changed and

    the change requires that we soberly

    reflect on the things that we want to do.

    They should not just come to this House

    with the notion that they are in

    Government and whether we like it or

    not, they want to do a particular thing

    and the only way it could be done is that

    it must be accepted and that if it is not

    accepted, it means the person does not

    act in the national interest. Who says

    only their thinking is the national

    interest? The national interest is for all

    of us to sit and think through how we

    would overcome a challenge and not the

    other person fashioning it and enforcing

    it on the other person. No, that is not

    how consensus is built.

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    Mr Speaker, it is my hope that we

    would be sincere in the things that we do

    because if we continue with the way we

    are going, my fear is that we would head

    our country into real danger. The danger

    where we cannot even trust each other

    to even talk to each other. Ukraine is

    fighting - They would fight and kill and bomb, but at the end of the day, they

    would sit and talk, and it is the talking

    that would solve the problem and not the

    guns. So, if we do we not start talking

    among ourselves but insult and talk

    against one another, it would aggravate

    the situation and we would all suffer for

    it.

    Mr Speaker, I agree that my Hon

    Colleague has made the Statement at the

    right time, but how do move forward?

    How do we build the real consensus?

    The Hon Minister for Defence, Mr

    Nitiwul, and I have been in this House

    and we have been in the Pan-African

    Parliament for probably four years. The

    Hon First Deputy Speaker, Mr Osei-

    Owusu and I have been in the Pan-

    African Parliament for six years, but we

    do not even know each other's house meanwhile we claimed we are Hon

    Colleagues - [Laughter] - [Interruption] - At least, for the office,

    I try to go to his office and we know

    each other's office, but we do not know each other's home and children but we claimed to be Hon Colleagues.

    Hon Eric Opoku and I have been here

    for all this while and we do not know

    each other's house; we do not socialise.

    Mr Speaker, I remember last three

    weeks when the Hon First Deputy

    Speaker celebrated his birthday, I said

    that we have to repeat this birthday

    celebration here so that we could

    socialise such that the Hon Whips

    would mobilise Hon Members in this

    regard. We then planned to have it

    celebrated on Friday and then on the

    preceding Wednesday, the issue of the

    E-Levy came up and then everyone is

    running away from the cake - [Laughter].

    This is because some of our Hon

    Colleagues saw the E-levy cake and

    they would not even bother to check but

    would simply say; ah!, it is the Hon

    Minority Leader who sent it. However,

    later, we were happy when the Hon

    Minority Leader said that it did not

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    come from the Minority side - [Laughter].

    Mr Speaker, all of a sudden, all the

    attempts at arranging for a socialisation

    proved futile because, I was not the one

    to continue organising for a birthday

    celebration while pictures of ‘E-levy cake' could emerge, and then trust was gone again.

    However, I believe that as a House,

    we need to have a social centre beyond

    the Chamber where we could go and sit

    because it is this process of sitting

    together and talking and getting to know

    each other better that enhances the bond

    and builds trust and by so doing, extend

    this trust to our political parties. This is

    because as it stands, we all know that the

    two political parties do not trust each

    other. Unfortunately, it is festered -

    Mr Speaker, over the weekend, the

    Leadership was at a Leadership

    Workshop and I did not get the

    opportunity to attend because there were

    some other -- The next moment, this was all over the NDC social media that

    the NDC Leadership has been cocooned

    to approve the e-levy, meanwhile the e-

    levy was not discussed at the Workshop.

    Can we see the level of mischief that

    goes on? So long as we do this on both

    Sides, it ties everyone's hands at their backs and that does not auger well.

    I would like to conclude by saying

    that for most of our Hon Colleagues

    who left this Chamber, for example Hon

    (Dr) Mark Assibey-Yeboah - I wish him a happy birthday - Yes, he came to meet us in this House and in fact, he was

    a year ahead of me at the Kwame

    Nkrumah University of Science and

    Technology (KNUST) though I am

    older than him; some of us were not

    privileged to go to school early.

    KNUST, he was a year ahead of me but

    when he came here, we were able to

    identify, encourage and support each

    other in a number of ways. He later

    became the Hon Chairman of the

    Committee on Finance after he served

    as the Vice Chairman to Dr Anthony

    Akoto Osei who was an Hon Chairman

    of the same Committee and he

    contributed his bit.

    Mr Speaker, so long as our political

    parties continue to organise the kind of

    primaries that they do, the attrition rate

    in this House would never cease.

    Sometimes, when we see some of our

    former Hon Colleagues, it is pathetic.

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    I would just want to tell our Hon

    Colleagues in here today that yesterday,

    the former members of Parliament were

    like us. Tomorrow, if we do not work

    harder, we are going to be like them so

    when we see them wretched, and we do

    not ponder over it - They were like us, seated in front and feeling all important

    in the capacity of Hon Chairmen,

    Ranking Members Ministers and so on.

    We see them wretched today and we are

    laughing; if we do not work at it,

    tomorrow, you and I may be more

    wretched than those we are seeing.

    Mr Speaker, with sincerity, I pray

    that we are able to break through this on

    both Sides so that we start to work in the

    collective interest of our country, and

    not in the interest of one Side.

    Thank you very much for the
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 1:01 p.m.
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    would give the Hon Majority Chief
    Whip the opportunity and then to the
    Hon Senior Member and then the Hon
    Majority Leader would conclude.
    Majority Chief Whip (Mr Frank
    Annoh-Dompreh): Mr Speaker, I think
    this is not just any ordinary Statement
    coming from an Hon Colleague and a
    Brother; I appreciate it as a very poetic
    Statement.
    Mr Speaker, at a point in time, many
    of the comments that were being made,
    caused us to burst into laughter but fact
    be told, it is not funny. This is a clarion
    call for us to truly reconcile - I entirely agree with many of the things my Hon
    Colleague, Alhaji Muntaka, spoke about
    but I also tend to wonder if indeed, these
    Statements are coming out with a true
    sense of sincerity. This is because in
    recent times, without trying to zero in on
    my Hon Colleague, I have witnessed
    very skating comments from my Hon
    Colleague specifically directed to the
    Hon Majority Leader continuously and
    I wonder if, indeed, as we keep saying
    and drawing from the fact that we are
    from one stock; ‘one people, one destiny' and the likes.
    So, it is a time for a true
    reconciliation and for me that is what
    would set the tone. I would like to
    commend my Hon Colleague, the Hon
    Deputy Leader, who had initially
    whispered to me that the Statement was
    focused on Hon (Dr) Assibey-Yeboah
    and usual of him, he used his dexterity
    and expanded the entire topic by
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    elevating the discussion to a much

    higher level.

    Mr Speaker, growing up as a young

    student leader, I have often ran to Accra

    from the University of Cape Coast

    (UCC) to sit at the public gallery to

    catch a glimpse of celebrated and

    renowned legislators of this august

    House. Can we say the same today? No,

    we cannot. This is because we are all

    parties to the current state we

    experience; we have contributed to the

    current state we have and it would take

    the two of us to take ourselves out.

    Hon Colleagues have spoken to

    welfare issues, conditions of service

    pertaining to Members of Parliament

    and the likes. Not to oversimplify the

    matter, probably, the Public Affairs

    Department of Parliament would have

    to up their game. The story cannot be

    told by Hon Members of Parliament;

    welfare issues and what we benefit as

    Hon Members of Parliament, let us hear

    the Public Affairs Department of

    Parliament speaking to this concern.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to suggest

    that we probably have to institute a day

    like this where we would celebrate and

    recognise the rich contributions that

    Hon Members of Parliament have made

    to the growth of Parliament as an

    institution and jurisprudence of

    Legislation in itself.

    I recall the former Speaker of

    Parliament, Rt Hon Mike Ocquaye had

    suggested the institution of an award for

    deserving Hon Members of Parliament

    and I do not know how this fizzled out.

    Probably, Leadership may have to

    engage further and that would be a

    source of encouragement for this House

    for us to also put ourselves in readiness

    to reach the mark and distinguish

    ourselves, lead and serve with true sense

    of credibility.

    Mr Speaker, the three Arms of

    Government, suffice it to say that

    Parliament is the only Arm of

    Government that is greatly exposed to

    the public.

    When the Executive meet at Cabinet,

    the press is not there neither are they

    found in the courtrooms. However, our

    deliberations are exposed to the public.

    In fact, Parliament has become part of

    the public and what this means to me is

    that we should also up our engagements

    and communication with the public.

    This is because if we do not do that, we

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    are only fomenting misconceptions that

    the public have about this House. For

    me, that is the crux of the matter and

    where we should focus on.

    I have recently come under serious

    attacks because I was part of a number

    of Hon Members who filed a Motion

    and in fact, blatant insults --

    Thankfully, I engaged my Hon

    Colleagues on the other Side who had been leading these attacks on me that we need to talk as men. I think that we have contributed to the current state and the problems we have.

    Mr Speaker, as Hon Members of

    Parliament, oftentimes, we make commentaries to appeal to our party base and then we turn round and say we want peace. We should not forget that it is in this Parliament that nominees from His Excellency the President who were to serve in various ministerial positions, became subjects of discussion on whether or not to accept them at the party support base and they seemed to be leading the crusade and the narrative regardless of the constitutional provision and the laws that exist.

    Thankfully, we were able to scale

    this wall and the aftermath was that the

    Leadership on the other Side came

    under a barrage of allegations that they

    have been bought or they have taken

    money and so on. Mr Speaker, what are

    we doing to this institution? It is very

    sad.

    Mr Speaker, regarding the attrition

    rate that many of us have shown regret,

    for once, both major parties would have

    to come to an agreement because we

    have the solution in our hands. When

    there is unfettered primaries at various

    constituencies then everybody would

    have a go at it.

    Mr Speaker, there is nowhere in the

    world that democracy is not guarded.

    So, we must guard and guide our

    democracy and this is dependent on

    leadership, and all of us by extension.

    So, the if National Democratic Congress

    (NDC) and the New Patriotic Party

    (NPP) would come together and say that

    for this year we are at least, setting a

    template or measuring rod to be able to

    decide on how to manage our primaries,

    then that would be the beginning of a lot

    of positive things to happen. In the other

    jurisdictions that we look after and draw

    lessons from, which include USA, UK

    and Australia, their democracies are

    guarded, and for me, this is what we

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    have to focus on and take up some

    lessons.

    Again, we have mentioned names of

    notable MPs who have served with

    distinction and we have also shown

    regret at the lifestyle of some of them

    after they have served in this august

    House. However, have we instituted the

    prospect of engaging these former MPs?

    Mr Speaker, we have not, and if it is not

    too late, I would probably want to

    suggest that Leadership and the Speaker

    may have to start this engagement of a

    with former MPs, where the current

    MPs could engage with them to share

    experiences. I think that if we are able to

    institute this, then all of us would distil

    and take very good lessons going

    forward, and contribute to debates in

    the building of this rich institution that

    we are all proud of.

    Mr Speaker, I cannot sit but to

    commend my Hon Colleague, Hon

    Afenyo-Markin, because it has been

    wonderful. His Statement is a very

    poetic one and it sets the tone for a true

    reconciliation, if we so desire and,

    indeed, minded to reconcile. It would

    also send a signal to our party base that

    it is not all about adversarial exchanges

    but it is also about building an

    institution and relationships. We then

    would be setting a good tone.

    Mr Speaker, I have my own

    relationship with Dr Mark Assibey-

    Yeboah and I recall that even before I

    became the NUGS President in the year

    2000, he was at KNUST as intimated by

    Hon Muntaka. He was one of the people

    who encouraged me to be a student

    leader and even after I became the youth

    organiser for the Eastern Region, he was

    one of the people who encouraged me to

    contest the newly created Nsawam-

    Adoagyiri Constituency seat. So, Dr

    Assibey-Yeboah has been a wonderful

    friend and it was quite unfortunate that

    we had to lose him at his prime time, but

    only God knows what the future holds

    for him. We all take pride with what he

    did in the last Parliament and what he

    continues to do outside Parliament by

    still engaging with some of us. Mr

    Speaker, Dr Assibey-Yeboah has been a

    wonderful person and we are very proud

    of him. We hope and pray that we would

    have more people cast in his image to

    help build Parliament as an institution.

    Mr Speaker, to conclude, I think that

    this should not be appreciated as one of

    the normal Statements that are made in

    this House that go down the drain

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    because both Sides should be candid.

    One cannot sit on a radio programme

    and run down a fellow Hon Colleague - as was observed by Hon Muntaka - and then return to the House to extend

    pleasantries. Mr Speaker, that is not

    good enough and I hope that all of us

    would draw lessons and open a new

    chapter of positive exchanges and of the

    belief that we are people of one stock,

    one people and one destiny.

    Mr Speaker, thank you for the space

    granted.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 1:01 p.m.
    Hon
    Avoka?
    Mr Cletus A. Avoka (NDC - Zebila) 1:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, unfortunately, I
    was not in the Chamber when the
    Statement was read because I was at a
    function with three other Hon
    Colleagues at the Alisa Hotel on
    decriminalising petty offences in the
    statute books of Ghana. We were there
    from about 9.00 a.m. till 12 noon.
    Mr Speaker, however, I have had a
    gist of the Statement and my
    information is that the genesis of the
    Statement is to try and reconcile Hon
    Members of Parliament for the benefit
    of this House as well as individuals. Mr
    Speaker, having been in this House in
    1993, I thought that it would be a
    disservice if I do not share some
    experiences on how we used to relate to
    foster unity of purpose in this House and
    for the Government.
    Mr Speaker, the first Parliament of
    the Fourth Republic from January 1993
    to January 1997 had several challenges
    even though we were almost a one party
    House. We could not prosecute some of
    our interests because we were one
    group, but thankfully in 1997, about 67
    Hon Members of the NPP joined us in
    this Chamber. I recall that in 1993 when
    we came to Parliament, the then Hon
    Minister for Finance, Dr Kwesi
    Botchwey, said that they would be
    buying Toyota Corolla cars for us at the
    cost of 10 million old Ghana cedis each.
    We were very excited but after about
    two months they said that because of
    public opinion, they would rather give
    us some small amount of money to buy
    second hand vehicles because if we
    drove new cars the public would not be
    happy.
    Mr Speaker, we were disgruntled but
    because we were from one party, we had
    to kowtow to it and we were each given
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    five million in the old Ghana cedis. I

    remember I bought a 12 year old Opel

    Rekord which had to visit the

    mechanical or electrical shop almost

    every day for some repairs. Mr Speaker,

    we were so broke such that those of us

    who were living in Sakumono had to do

    car pool, where for a particular week,

    four of us would join a colleague who

    would fuel his car and drive us to

    Parliament and the process would be

    repeated in subsequent weeks by the

    others. We did this to save cost and the

    lives of the cars.

    Fortunately for us, in 1997, our Hon

    Colleagues on the other Side joined us

    in the House but even though they were

    only 67, they made a lot of impact in this

    august House.

    Mr Speaker, J. H. Mensah of blessed

    memory was a man who could stand on

    his feet for over one hour to contribute

    and we would all be glued to his

    contribution because of his knowledge

    and oratory. He was the then Hon

    Minority Leader and he said that we

    would not ride bicycles or drive old cars

    to Parliament because the dignity of

    Parliament must be maintained. Mr

    Speaker, at their intervention, we were

    given money to buy new cars and I

    remember the cars were VW Vento or

    so, but it was at least new on the market.

    Mr Speaker, even though he was on the

    Minority side and he attacked the

    Government that we needed these

    things, we supported him.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority

    Leader, Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu,

    was my first Hon Friend in 1997 from

    the other Side. Any time I went through

    Kumasi, I would call him for us to sit

    somewhere and we dined together. We

    both served on the Committee on Lands

    and Forestry and travelled together. We

    had a bond then, so I want to submit that

    this august House is not taking

    advantage of the constitutional

    provision that majority of Hon Ministers

    must come from Parliament.

    Mr Speaker, this was not made out of

    the blue. It was for good purposes for

    which reason we provided that. I was in

    the Consultative Assembly and that is

    why I am saying so about the spirit of

    that provision. We said that we wanted

    to create a bond between Members of

    Parliament (MPs) who are not Ministers

    and MPs who are Ministers so that when

    they go to Cabinet, they are able to

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    understand the philosophy and the

    background of things and come here to

    help us. When they are in their offices

    and they come here, I can just walk

    across to the Minister and put my case

    across to him then he would give me an

    appointment to come so we could solve

    whatever problem I had. That was the

    idea.

    Mr Speaker, but we are abusing it

    more than we are practising it. One

    female MP complained to me last week

    that she went to a Minister's Office and was there for two hours without seeing

    the Minister even though he was in the

    Office. Meanwhile MPs from the other

    Side were going in and coming out and

    she was sitting for two hours to see a

    Colleague MP who is a Minister. Where

    is the bonding? Where is the respect?

    How would the people around respect

    the MP when they know that when she

    goes to another MP who is a Minister or

    a Deputy Minister's Office, she has no access to him? We are abusing the

    constitutional provision which would

    bring us closer and help us together.

    Mr Speaker, last year, I happened to

    be one of those that the Speaker and the

    Leadership nominated to meet some

    MPs from Kenya, who said that they

    were very happy with this our

    constitutional provision. They said that

    in their country, no MP can be a

    Minister but they have seen the wisdom

    in our provision and that they are going

    to make an amendment to make sure

    that Ministers must also come from

    Parliament for obvious reasons or for

    the reasoning that we had. I would want

    to invite our Hon Colleagues,

    particularly, those on the other Side.

    It is your turn today, it will be my

    turn tomorrow. It is their turn today, it

    would be other people's turn tomorrow. Let us forge that unity. Let us forge that

    respect for one another. Let us have that

    bond so that matters in this House can

    be taken more easily.

    Mr Speaker, let us avoid the mutual

    suspicion. I remember when I was the

    Majority Leader, we had a similar case

    as we have now. At that time, NDC had

    119 Members in Parliament and NPP

    had 111 Members. The difference was

    eight Members. I was the Majority

    Leader sitting there and Mr Kyei-

    Mensah-Bonsu was the Minority Leader

    sitting here. At every point in time, there

    were constructive engagements between

    him and me. I would call him out and we

    would meet and discuss issues. I go to

    his office and we would meet and

    discuss. He is here. He was virtually the

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    Chairman of the Winnowing

    Committee. We would file many

    amendments then I would say that go to

    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu's Office - Minority Leader's Office whether from NDC or NPP and then they would do the

    winnowing. I am not sure that he is

    capable of making the Minority Leader

    or somebody from this Side a de facto

    Chairman of the Winnowing

    Committee. They would not agree. He is

    here. He was, and I used to walk to him.

    When people file amendments, he

    would chair. He was the de facto. It was

    not that we elected him here but because

    of his interest in legislation, he was. He

    used to file more amendments than any

    other fellow and we would take those

    amendments on merit. Now, if an Hon

    Member files an amendment from the

    other Side, it is war. They just disagree.

    They do not look at the merit of it. Why

    are we here? To serve the country, not

    to serve a party. We owe more

    allegiance to our party than to Ghana

    Government or to Ghana. We owe more

    allegiance to our respective parties than

    to Ghana but we are Ghanaians first and

    foremost.

    Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague has

    said it: if we do not take time and close

    our ranks - people are here calling for coup d'état or saying things. That is the

    last thing we should expect. This is

    because when there is a coup d'état, the first thing they would do is to dissolve

    Parliament and we would all go home - whether from the Majority or Minority.

    The loans that we have taken to do

    campaign and come back, we would not

    [Interruption] -
    An Hon Member 1:11 p.m.
    Are you only
    going home?
    Mr Avoka 1:11 p.m.
    You may be locked up.
    First, you would meet at Cantonments
    Police Station and from there, you

    Mr Speaker, I am saying so because

    Parliament is the bastion of democracy.

    Parliament is the pivot or symbol of

    democracy. If there is a coup d'état, the Executive remain and the soldiers or

    whoever would have Ministers. They

    can call them Ministers or Secretaries or

    Chairpersons and what not. The

    Ministries would be there. The judges

    and magistrates would be there. There

    would be no Parliament. We would not

    be there. So the last thing we should

    hope for is for a coup d'état because it would not help anybody. If we do not

    want that, then there must be

    constructive engagements between us.

    This is a hang parliament but we are not

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    demonstrating on the floor of this House

    that it is a hang parliament. We are not

    demonstrating that unity of purpose. We

    have to reconcile our differences.

    Mr Speaker, I remember Rt Hon Peter Ala Adjetey who was sitting where you are. We were in the Minority in the 2001 to 2004 Parliament but because we had formed government two terms and we were there, we were more knowledgeable in government matters than the rest of them. This was a Speaker who wanted intelligent debates and nothing else. Rt Hon Peter Ala Adjetey wanted to assert the dignity of Parliament that Parliament was independent of the Executive and the Judiciary. What happened four years later when he came back and wanted to be the Speaker for the second time? His own people and MPs, including my very good friend here voted against him. Voting against your dignity; voting against your respect, self-esteem and the dignity of this House? It was rather the Minority side that supported him. What was Rt Hon Peter Ala Adjetey's crime? He wanted Parliament to be independent. He did not want a Minister to take Parliament for a ransom. He is there and I have been there before. The most difficult work to do is to be the Majority Leader. A Minister is programmed and he will not even come to an agreement on when he would be available. He for instance agreed to be

    programmed for Thursday morning to answer questions and the next day around 8.00 a.m. or 9.00 a.m., he calls that he is sorry and that he has been called to the flagstaff House or to the Jubilee House or to the Castle. What does the Majority Leader come to tell the House? How does he get another person to substitute at the same time? So, Rt Hon Peter Ala Adjetey would not take that nonsense. He said that Parliament before Castle; Parliament before Jubilee House; Parliament before travels and the rest. He was asserting the independence of Parliament. Did we support him? We are our own enemies. We the MPs are our own evil. We did not support somebody who wanted to liberate us. So I think that we would have a sober reflection. Others have gone and come back. I have gone two terms and come back. [Laughter] --
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:11 p.m.
    I shall return. [Laughter]
    Mr Avoka 1:21 p.m.
    Yes, I thought that when they are eulogising MPs and they do not mention the names of some of us, then nothing has been said yet. [Laughter].
    Mr Speaker, I was here for three terms and went out for one term. Then I came back for two more terms and went out for one term. I have come back. What else do I demonstrate? And they are talking without mentioning Hon Cletus Avoka, and many others.
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    [Laughter] - It is incomplete! I am saying so because we have the example of staying out without a salary for four years and winning an election to come back here. Many of us here would not be able to do that. We would not have the capacity and the temerity to be able to do that. There are many of us who are here as returnees. In the near future, I would lead them to form an association of returnee MPs. We shall soon form an association of returnee MPs and we would also have the fight.

    Mr Speaker, the message that I want

    to give to the Majority Leader is that we

    need a pension for Members of

    Parliament who exit the House. When

    the Kenyans came here and we

    discussed it with them, they said that if

    one comes to Parliament for at least two

    terms, then he qualifies for a pension.

    But how can one leave Parliament after

    two or three years and not be able to buy

    medication. One cannot. So the

    Majority Leader should take this very

    seriously. If the President sets a

    committee on the emoluments of

    Members of Parliament, we need

    pension. I am entitled to pension

    because I know what I have gone

    through and I know what these people

    would go through when they leave here

    for two or three years or more. They are

    dying earlier than they ought to die

    because of lack of support.

    It is a golden Statement that the Hon

    Deputy Majority Leader has made. I

    think that this is the time that we should

    stop looking over our shoulders. If they

    see me going to his Office or Hon

    Muntaka going to his Office, they would

    say that he has gone there to do

    something. What is wrong with that? I

    was the Majority Leader and used to go

    to his Office; and he used to come to my

    Office: mutual trust. The problem we

    have now is mutual suspicion and

    mutual mistrust. That does not help us.

    We are not competing against each

    other here. We are talking about the

    development of Ghana.

    So, Mr Speaker, I want to

    congratulate the Deputy Majority

    Leader for the Statement he has made. I

    would pray that from now onwards, let

    us know that we are each other's keeper. We should love each other here, outside

    and even when we leave Parliament, and

    when that happens, Ghana will benefit

    better than any single one of us.

    Mr Speaker, on that note, I thank you

    so much.

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    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Thank
    you very much, senior citizen.
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
    Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei-
    Mensah-Bonsu): Mr Speaker, I was not
    in the House when the Statement was
    made but I entered at the tail end to
    listen to the sermon from my Deputy,
    Hon Afenyo-Markin. I caught the drift,
    but I asked him whether he came with a
    formal Statement, and he indicated to
    me what he has written. I could not
    make head or tail of what he meant by
    that, however, as I said, I caught the
    drift. Mr Speaker, I think it is about the
    effectiveness and efficiency of
    Members of Parliament, and what our
    responsibility should be and our
    contribution to nation building.
    Mr Speaker, the functions of
    Parliament as an institution, and indeed,
    as Members of Parliament are set out for
    us. We represent constituents; we play
    representational role. It expresses itself
    in the Questions that we ask in
    Parliament; in Statements such as the
    one that has been made by my Hon
    Colleague, and we ferry the concerns of
    our constituents to the Chamber,
    including perhaps, in the form of
    petitions and so on. That is the
    representational function of Parliament.
    We deliberate on matters that come
    before us, so, we have a deliberative
    function. By the deliberation over issues
    that we conduct in this House, we
    transmit information. So, Parliament
    and Members of Parliament have
    information transmission function. It is
    the reason that if we should not corrupt
    the conscience of our country and our
    citizens, our contribution should be
    based on research and not just talking
    from the top of our heads. Many times,
    people get up in this Chamber and they
    are just talking to our opinions, and not
    grounded on any research.
    Today, our Parliament is evolving
    strongly and now, we are making space
    for the recruitment of research officers
    to influence the debates in the House.
    We have the power of purse function
    which we exercise by interrogating loan
    agreements, and in particular, the
    budget that comes before us.
    Mr Speaker, when resources have
    been allocated to State agencies,
    including Parliament itself, we must see
    the application of the resources. That is
    the oversight function of the Members
    of Parliament. But arguably, the greatest
    function is legislation; law-making. We
    approve and ratify agreements including
    loans and so on. So, these are the
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    functions of Parliament and of

    Parliamentarians. How many of us in

    this House would say that they fulfil all

    these charges? I said that arguably, the

    greatest function of Parliament and

    Parliamentarians is law-making;

    legislation. That is why we constitute

    the legislative arm of Government.

    When we come to making laws in this

    House, apart from the relevant

    committees, the leadership of which we

    may see in the House, we may

    sometimes, have not more than five or

    six people fashioning and crafting Bills

    for the entire country. We do not do

    justice to our call as Members of

    Parliament.

    Mr Speaker, so oftentimes, I say to us

    that people stay for long periods in this

    House; they serve for long periods, but

    unfortunately, not too many of us allow

    Parliament to pass through us; we pass

    through Parliament. So, we leave and

    when about two, three or four terms we

    should be speaking as authority on

    matters that we have discussed, we see

    the shallowness and hollowness of some

    Members of Parliament, including some

    former Members of Parliament. So, we

    should place emphasis on the capacity

    building of Members of Parliament to

    make them relevant.

    Mr Speaker, the central figure that

    Hon Colleague mentioned, Hon (Dr)

    Mark Assibey-Yeboah, when he first

    came, people who know him - He had to

    serve under Dr Anthony Akoto Osei as

    Deputy Ranking Member of the Finance

    Committee. He did not register on the

    radar. It was Hon Dr Akoto Osei who

    was always dominate. Dr Assibey-

    Yeboah was virtually unknown, but he

    spent the time learning and

    understudying the leadership of the

    Finance Committee. Of course, given

    his own training and experience that he

    gather subsequently, he was able to

    illuminate the House when he became

    the Chairman of the Finance

    Committee. We have seen in this House

    people who have served us

    Chairpersons of committees for two

    terms and yet, they get lost out when

    issues which relate to their sector come

    to be debated in this House; Dr Assibey-

    Yeboah was different. It is because he

    availed himself to learn.

    Mr Speaker, unfortunately - [Interruption] - Bring back the Chamber - [Laughter] - Mr Speaker, that is on a lighter note. I think we

    should place emphasis on capacity

    building in this House. Given the

    vicissitudes of these days, I think it is

    important that at least, twice a year, we

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    submit ourselves to capacity building.

    That would include even continuing

    Members. Let us face it, there are some

    first time Members of Parliament who

    are able to rise up faster than people who

    have been in the system for maybe, two

    or three terms. So, everyone needs

    capacity building. When we have these

    opportunities, we should avail

    ourselves. Some of them who have

    served for two or three terms, when we

    engage in capacity building workshops,

    they put in an appearance and leave.

    They are not serious with the workshops

    that we organise, and it reflects in the

    quality of their own debates in this

    House.

    Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague said

    that I would not have the courage to

    make anybody the Chairman of the

    winnowing committee. I am surprised

    that he made such a statement; he is not

    here. But anybody who knows me and

    what I have done in the winnowing

    committee will know that the previous

    one was populated more by Members on

    the other Side. On my own Side, we had

    Hon Banda and Hon Anyimadu-Antwi,

    who were regulars. The regulars on the

    other Side were Hon Yieleh Chireh and

    Hon Fuseini Inusah, and it was because

    of the dexterity that they showed that

    Hon Fuseini Inusah, for instance, has

    been drafted to the Ministry of

    Parliamentary Affairs as a consultant -

    [Interruption] It is not Hon Shaibu

    Mahama. You do not know what you

    are talking about. Please, do not bear

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Shaibu, the Hon

    Member for Daboya was also a very

    diligent member of the winnowing

    committee. Equally so was the Hon

    Bernard Ahiafor, the latter day saint, the

    Hon Rockson-Nelson Dafeamekpor,

    and on very few occasions, the Hon

    Suhuyini. I realised that most of them

    were not very regular because of want

    of time, but whenever they came, they

    wanted to participate fully. So, the

    statement that the Hon Cletus Avoka

    made is factually incorrect. To say that

    we were not allowing the Minority to be

    there is most untrue.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy

    Minority Leader is drawing my

    attention to the fact that he was not here

    during that time, so I would forgive him

    his trespasses, but he is not to bear false

    Statements

    witness in such instances. He is my

    friend but he is only supposed to bear

    testimony to what he knows and not

    speak to what he does not know.

    Mr Speaker, Parliament ordinarily is

    like wine. The longer a person stays

    here, the more useful he becomes to the

    system. It is the reason I do not miss any

    opportunity to restate the fact that the

    various political parties, including in

    particular the New Patriotic Party (NPP)

    and the National Democratic Congress

    (NDC), should do serious introspection

    on their constitutions because this free

    for all that we allow at the end of every

    fourth year would not help to grow

    Parliament. There is no Parliament

    anywhere in the established

    democracies where at the end of every

    four years they open the sluice gates for

    all comers. We would not be able to

    grow Parliament and our parties if we

    allow that situation. It is the reason our

    Parliament is not growing.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Cletus Avoka

    mentioned some quality materials that

    we had in 1997 when we first came to

    Parliament. At the time, he said that the

    number of NPP Hon Members were 67,

    but we were not even 67, the number

    was 61. Hon Members of Parliament

    from NPP were 61 in 1997, but we had

    quality debaters. The Hon J. H. Mensah

    led our attack, we had the current

    President, Nana Addo Dankwa Akufo-

    Addo, we had Hon Baah Wiredu, Hon

    Addo Kufour and on the other Side, we

    had the Hon J. H. Owusu Acheampong

    himself, who was a master of the rules.

    At every turn when the Hon J. H.

    Mensah wanted to have his way, the

    Hon J. H. Owusu Acheampong used the

    rules to shut him up, and the objection

    was sustained by the Hon Speaker.

    Mr Speaker, indeed, this was what

    inspired me to apply myself to the rules.

    This is because the Hon J. H. Mensah

    was the most astute debater, but the Hon

    J. H. Owusu Acheampong, being the

    master of the rules, always applied the

    rules to stop the Hon J. H. Mensah in his

    tracks. So, I said to myself that I would

    learn the rules, and when I started a year

    into that, the then Hon Speaker, D. F.

    Annan, travelling to New Zealand

    invited me to join him, and I went with

    the Hon Ama Benyiwa-Doe and the

    Hon J. H. Owusu Acheampong. The

    Hon J. H. Mensah was to have joined us,

    but unfortunately he could not go

    because there was something that he

    needed to do. When we went, the Hon

    Speaker invited me to his room and said

    Statements

    that he had seen some quality in me so

    if I continued that way, I would go

    places. That was a huge encouragement

    to me, and I told him I would not

    disappoint him.

    Mr Speaker, here we are as a country

    with two dominant political parties, and

    I think that is how it should be because

    the Directive Principles of State Policy

    imposes a national development agenda

    on this country. I keep saying that in this

    country all political parties are centrist

    parties; there are no extreme parties.

    Those of us in the NPP are only a little

    bit to the right of the centre, and the

    NDC, in spite of the noise is just a little

    bit to the left of the centre. They are not

    an extreme socialist party or communist

    party, just like the NPP is not an extreme

    capitalist party. The NPP are liberal

    democrats and the NDC are also liberal

    socialists. So, we are all centrist parties,

    and the overall vision is imposed on us

    by the Directive Principles of State

    Policy.

    What we lack today, which is

    dividing us, is because as a country we

    do not have a long term development

    plan. If we had a long term development

    plan around which the two parties

    would be forced to weave our

    manifestos, the difference amongst the

    political parties would just be in the

    implementation of policies. However,

    unfortunately, we do not have a long

    term national development plan and it is

    also because of the construct of the

    National Development Planning

    Commission (NDPC) imposed by the

    1992 Constitution.

    Mr Speaker, if we have a NDPC that

    is composed of Ministers of State,

    regardless of the quality of the product,

    as I said somewhere the other time, it

    would be seen as a chamber pot, excuse

    my language, which even when it is

    coming directly from the factory,

    nobody would want to eat from. So, we

    had some materials bequeathed to us by

    the Hon J. H. Mensah and Hon

    Professor Gyan-Baffour. The NDC

    inherited it, they did not want to have

    anything to do with it, but what the NDC

    succeeded in doing eventually under the

    auspices of Dr Kwesi Botwe and Dr Nii

    Moi Thompson, an extremely good

    material - Why are we stuck? We are stuck because of where it is coming

    from, and it is as simple as that. That is

    why I keep saying that we must have a

    holistic review of this 1992 Constitution

    Statements

    to have perhaps, some experts constitute

    the NDPC such that all political parties

    would buy into that product, and it

    would inure to our development. The

    1992Constitution, after all, says to us

    that any development that is initiated by

    an administration, the next succeeding

    administration, to the largest extent

    possible, would have to follow that and

    follow it through. Why do we not do

    that? It is because our own development

    plan is fashioned by our manifestos,

    which are not real long term

    development plans. That is where we

    are, but we should understand this and

    move on with our national development

    plan.

    Mr Speaker, on the issue about

    consensus building, I think that we have

    been doing our best. The Hon Cletus

    Avoka, the Member of Parliament for

    Zebilla, said that we are not doing much

    and that anything that comes from a

    particular Government, the Majority

    party would always support it. I do not

    consider that statement as a truthful or a

    correct statement because we have Bills

    that emanates from the Executive.

    When it comes to amendments, it is

    always at the instance of the Minority;

    most of it at least, and the Majority party

    members would also offer amendments.

    So, who says that anything that comes

    from the Executive is taken lost stock

    and barrel by the ruling party members?

    That is untrue! Admittedly though,

    when we talk about amendments, most

    of it would be sponsored by the

    Minority party. It does not mean that the

    Majority members do not agree.

    Mr Speaker, we should be charitable

    to ourselves. I agree with the

    proposition from the Hon Minority

    Chief Whip that we are not charitable to

    ourselves. We go outside and tear each

    other apart. I am happy he made an

    admission that if we say one thing

    against him, he would say five. Mr

    Speaker, our elders say sɛ yɛka sɛ nipa mmienu ho ayɛ fi a, baako ho ayɛ fi kyɛn baako. To wit, if two people are dirty,

    one is still dirtier than the other. Unless

    we admit that and we all recline - yɛn nyinaa yaboro pɛpɛɛpɛ - we are equally drank, it would not help to resolve the

    problem. That is the point.

    If somebody slips and you doubly

    slip and say yɛn nyinaa yaboro pɛpɛɛpɛ. Wei na ɔhyɛɛ aseɛ na me nso mekaa five atea no. It would not exhibit maturity

    and patriotism. We must understand

    that. It is most unfortunate. Some people

    have made it a passion, on almost daily

    basis to say on radio stations “this man

    Statements

    is a liar”. When they are asked to prove, they do not have any proof, but blanket

    statements are made about each other.

    How do you want the other person to

    take it? I have made it a point not to

    react to insults that are thrown at me; I

    speak to issues. We must critique issues,

    not personalities. That is how to grow

    our democracy. Hon Eric Opoku, is that
    Mr Eric Opoku 1:49 p.m.
    I have not talked].
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:49 p.m.
    I know
    you have not talked, but you are were
    nodding your head.
    Hon Colleagues, let us learn to be
    charitable to one another. The context or
    the competition should be on ideas, not
    on personalities or how tall, medium
    sized, slim, pudgy a person is. It does
    not add value to the discourse. Mr
    Speaker, I think I have perhaps spoken
    longer than the Hon Member who made
    the Statement.
    Mr Speaker, I would end on a note of
    humour because somebody said they
    attended the birthday party of the Hon
    First Deputy Speaker and they saw the
    cutting of “an E-Levy cake”. Mr Speaker, that thing was laughable. Let
    us face it. Some people think that the e-
    levy would not add value to the lifestyle,
    and that it would rather introduce
    hardships on Ghanaians. On daily basis,
    they talk about it on radio.
    I believe that the e-levy would
    provide some succour for us as citizens
    and Ghana and reinvigorate the
    economy. On my birthday, somebody
    brought a cake to me which I did not
    even know anything about; it was thrust
    on me. Mr Speaker, before the cake was
    even brought, I had spoken about the
    goodness in the e-levy, and I did not
    know that anything was coming to me.
    It came to me, and I used that
    opportunity to advertise the goodness in
    e-Levy. What is the sin in that? Yet, we
    had a certain Abongo, not the one in
    blue suit - [Laughter] - go out there to say ‘‘… Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu. See what he has done with e-levy''.
    Please, let us rationalise it. You say it
    is wrong; somebody says it is good. You
    lambast it, and somebody advertises it,
    and you say the one who advertises it
    offends the sensibility of those of them
    who do not like it. Those of them who
    do not like it and go on demonstration
    do not think they offend the sensibilities
    of those who like it. Please rationalise it,
    and draw your own conclusions as to
    whether you are right in castigating and
    Statements
  • [An Hon Member: Why are you calling him “Abongo”
  • Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:49 p.m.
    I said I
    am addressing Abongo not in blue suit,
    but Abongo at large.
  • [Some Hon Members: He is not Abongo].
  • Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:49 p.m.
    That is it.
    I know. The distinction is between

    Mr Speaker, as I said, let us be

    charitable to ourselves and discuss

    matters. We need to build consensus. In

    the business of building consensus, if

    somebody raise issues which I think

    when I respond to would scatter the

    effort in consensus building, I refuse to

    comment on those matters. If you are

    the person leading consensus building,

    and you respond to anything people

    throw out there, you would jeopardise

    the enterprise. When you do not respond

    to it, people would ask why you did not

    respond, and that it is true. I keep saying

    that truth is like a cork. If you hold it

    under water and you get distressed and

    tired, and you lift your hand, it would

    shoot up so, let it be.

    Mr Speaker, I would wind up on the

    note that we should factor the concerns

    of those who have passed through this

    House. We are in the process of

    instituting a pension scheme for all of

    us. We shall continue in that effort. I

    think the Hon Chief Whips are in

    control of that effort and very soon, we

    would see the dividends from that.

    Mr Speaker, we should commend the

    Hon Member who made the Statement.

    The horizon of the Statement has been

    broadened and deepened, and we are all

    winners for the Statement that has been

    made by the Hon Member for Effutu,

    the Hon Deputy Majority Leader - [Interruption] [Mr Afenyo-Markin:

    Bishop]. Mr Speaker, he calls himself a

    bishop. I coronated him as an associate

    bishop, but he does not want to stay

    there for any long time, and he now calls

    himself a bishop. So be it, and God

    should bless his effort.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you very much

    for the space granted.
    Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh 1:49 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, with your leave, we may now
    go on to page 16 of the Order Paper and
    take the item numbered 32. Mr Speaker,
    I seek your leave for the Hon Deputy
    Minister for Education to stand in the
    stead of the Hon Minister.
    Statements

    Minority Chief Whip (Alhaji

    Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka): Mr

    Speaker, the Hon Majority Chief Whip

    is trying to make me look like a bad

    person. He has not discussed this with

    us. He told us that the Hon Minister

    would come for us to take the Bill - [Interruption] No, you did not say that

    the Hon Deputy Minister would stand in

    for the Hon Minister, and he is calling

    for critical amendments. Mr Speaker,

    we will oblige him.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, let us turn to page 16, and
    take the item numbered 32 - Motion by the Minister for Education.
    BILLS - SECOND READING 1:49 p.m.

    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    I
    guess we have started debating the
    Motion pursuant to Order 127.
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    So Hon Bernard Ahiafor?
    Mr Bernard Ahiafor (NDC - Akatsi South) 2:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you
    very much for the opportunity to
    contribute to the Motion that the
    Students Loan Trust Fund
    (Amendment) Bill, 2021 be now read a
    Second time. Mr Speaker, knowing very
    well that at the Second Reading of a
    Bill, we debate the principle, the
    rationale and the object of the Bill, I
    intend to do same.
    Mr Speaker, the object of the Bill as
    captured in the Memorandum, is to
    amend the Students Loan Trust Fund
    Ac, 2011( ACT 820), to dispense with
    the requirement of a guarantor prior to
    the disbursement of a loan by the Board.
    We must stick to the fact that the student
    loans are not for free. It is a loan granted
    to the student, and it is required to be
    paid back.
    Mr Speaker, one thing that ensures
    that these loans disbursed to the students
    are paid back is the guarantor
    requirement because with guarantor
    requirement, you are forced to pay the
    loan back. If you do not pay, at the point
    that your guarantor is going on
    retirement, the guarantor may be made
    to pay his portion. But now, we are
    removing the element of guarantor. The
    requirement of guarantor would no
    longer be a legal requirement after these
    amendments are carried out.
    Mr Speaker, what provisions are we
    putting in place to ensure that the
    moneys being given in the name of loan
    are repaid? That is what we should be
    thinking about as we look at the various
    amendments to the Bill.

    Mr Speaker, once you dispense with

    the requirement of a guarantor, the

    tendency that the loans would not be

    paid back is there. Already, the Students

    Loan Trust Fund is indebted; the

    Student Loan Trust Fund is earmarked

    and capped. So, the source of funds is

    already reduced. Meanwhile, the loans

    that they would be required to grant, if

    you do away with the element of

    guarantorship, it is going to increase the

    debt. This is coupled with the fact that

    these loans would not be paid back

    being high.

    Mr Speaker, we need to take into

    consideration the kind of policy that we

    are trying to implement. The fear is that

    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    it may get to a point that the Student

    Loan Trust Fund may not even be in

    funds to be able to grant these loans.

    This is because the loans are granted and

    if they are not paid back, where would

    they get the money from? They have

    also been capped and the releases are

    not coming.

    It is not too early and these are all

    factors that would have to be taken into

    consideration in deciding whether the

    amendment is supposed to be carried

    out or not. This is because at the end of

    the day, we need to do what will be in

    the interest of this nation. It is because

    of this nation that we are here. Nobody

    is opposed to the granting of loans to

    students in tertiary institutions but how

    does the principle being brought now

    ensure the repayment of the loan?

    Mr Speaker, let me at this point

    indicate that at the Consideration Stage,

    the issue of the fact that if a demand

    notice is served on you and you fail to

    pay, it would constitute a judgment

    executable and that would be fiercely

    resisted -- came up.

    With these few words, I support the

    Motion.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:01 p.m.
    Let
    me come to the Hon Member for Asante
    Akim North. Hon Member, before you
    proceed, let me bring our minds to the
    fact that the time is 2 o'clock, so kindly permit me to extend Sitting beyond the
    normal Sitting time.
    Mr Andy Appiah-Kubi (NPP - Asante Akim North) 2:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    would be very snappy. Thank you for
    the opportunity to contribute to this
    Motion.
    Mr Speaker, we have all been
    through this situation before and going
    through education, we found out that it
    was difficult to finance ourselves. Our
    parents could not also do so, so most of
    the time, we had to rely on people who
    otherwise are related to us to provide
    guarantee for us to be able to access the
    loans. It was not easy to find the
    guarantors, more so when its history
    showed that most of the people who
    would not pay had to be paid through the
    benefits of the retiring public.
    It was also not an incentive for
    people to support us in accessing this
    loan. God being so good, now, we are
    going through digitisation and that
    identifies each person per your Tax
    Identification Number (TIN). So, if that
    guarantee goes away, the beneficiaries
    would pay as they seek employment.
    So, this fear of beneficiaries not paying
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    is whittled away by way of the digitised

    number of the beneficiary that would be

    connected to his employment records.

    So, Mr Speaker, nobody doubts the

    need for students to access funds freely

    without the strings that are difficult to

    disconnect. If the fear is that the

    students would not pay, we want to use

    this as a guarantee that once the

    beneficiary has his TIN number

    connected to the application and once

    the beneficiary would continue to enjoy

    employment within the economy and is

    accessible through his TIN number, I

    beg to differ from my Senior who said

    that the fear of not paying back should

    prohibit the access to the facility.

    Mr Speaker, technology is now

    giving us access to everybody wherever

    they are and this technology will also

    facilitate the collection process. So, I am

    in full support of this Motion, so that our

    students can have unfettered access to

    the facility for which I am convinced

    that this technological development

    would facilitate the collection of the

    loans as people go through education

    and access employment.

    Mr Speaker, with these few words, I

    support this Motion.
    Dr Clement Abas Apaak (NDC - Builsa South) 2:01 p.m.
    Thank you Mr Speaker.
    I beg to speak in support of the Motion.
    Mr Speaker, many of us here in this
    Chamber are beneficiaries of student
    loans. I remember very vividly that
    when I entered the University of Ghana
    in 1992 - Hon Appiah-Kubi was a mate of mine - the only way we were able to go through our studies was with the
    support of student loans. Ideally, this
    exercise should have been completed. I
    say so because the Student Loan Trust
    (Amendment) Bill was taken under a
    certificate of urgency and rightly so.
    The intent was to make sure that the
    processes would have been completed
    to allow for the No Guarantor Policy to
    have been in place before the reopening
    of our tertiary institutions. That did not
    happen and we all know why it did not
    happen.
    Be as it may, there are many students
    whose academic lives and survival are
    currently jeopardised because they have
    no access to the students' loan. So, I would like to urge this House, that while
    we are looking at all the modalities to
    ensure that when this Bill is passed into
    law, those who are going to be
    beneficiaries of the loan are able to pay
    back those loans, we should keep in
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    mind that groups like the Association of

    Intelligent but Needy Students are

    waiting on the side-lines anxiously for

    us to execute this mandate of ours, so

    that they can have access to the loans

    and pursue their academic careers to

    contribute to themselves, their families

    and Mother Ghana.

    On this note, I support the Motion.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:01 p.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Member for Trobu? Hon Member,
    before you move on, indulge me to
    suspend the House for five minutes.
    2.10 p. m. - Sitting suspended.
    2.13 p.m. - Sitting resumed
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:01 p.m.
    Thank
    you, Hon Members.
    Hon Member for Trobu, you may
    make your contribution.
    Mr Moses Anim (NPP - Trobu) 2:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the
    opportunity to support the Motion.
    Mr Speaker, we all know that the best
    asset of every country is its human
    resources. The Constitution has also
    made it clear that the expansion of assets
    is very important, so all strategies that
    are needed to ensure that the
    opportunity to school, educate, or
    acquire knowledge are made clear. We
    all know that payment of fees is a huge
    challenge, so the Student Loan Trust
    which we all benefitted from - I remember when I was at the University
    of Ghana, it was GH¢50,000 a year
    which is GH¢5 today.
    The challenge we had was getting
    two or three guarantors of a double
    coincidence of wants because getting
    somebody was an issue and getting the
    person who had to be a contributor of
    SSNIT was another issue. So, it was
    very difficult to get a guarantor,
    especially with the conditional basis that
    the guarantor must pay for the loan if the
    person does not pay. It is in this notion
    that taking out the guarantor from the
    Act and using the Ghana card as the
    basis, which we all know that with the
    way the card is being considered today,
    at the end of the day, would be a source
    of identification of every Ghanaian. We
    should therefore look at it from that
    perspective to do the amendment and
    then we would ease up the situation for
    the students. As I speak, they are in
    school and are awaiting patiently to
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    ensure that this is done so that they

    could apply.

    Mr Speaker, the issue about payment

    so that the fund could be sustainable — but the cost benefit analysis is critical.

    What I think we should continue to do is

    to work hard and create job

    opportunities for the youth so that the

    students, just after their National

    Service, would get jobs and out of that,

    we could easily identify and then move

    on.

    Mr Speaker, I heard the Hon Deputy

    Minority Leader asking, “where is the job?” It is as if he is giving up. I do not think he meant that this country, with all

    our resources and intelligence, cannot

    work hard and create jobs for the people.

    Let us continue to work hard and base

    on the resources that we have. Let us

    also work hard to create more job

    opportunities. The benefit of educating

    our people outweighs whatever we want

    to put in place. I do not say we should

    not ensure the sustainability of the Fund,

    but that should not sway us from making

    this assessment to make the open access

    that we all want, as established by the

    Constitution for the tertiary institution.

    The Constitution even says that

    progressively as we move on, tertiary

    education should be free. So, while we

    have the GNPC, GETFund, and other

    Government scholarships, at least,

    which try to consider the brilliant but

    needy students, the Students Loan Trust

    is another approach to ease up the

    financial burden of parents so that this

    country could have good and quality

    education so that at the end of the day,

    the youth would replace those of us who

    would phase out.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy

    Minority Leader is phasing out - his

    beard has become very white. We are all

    phasing out so that the youth could

    replace us and while we relax in homes,

    we would know that this country is in

    safer hands.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:21 p.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Member for Wa Central?
    Hon Members, let us make our
    contributions brief.
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    Dr Abdul-Rashid H. Pelpuo (NDC

    - Wa Central): Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to

    this Motion. Mr Speaker, it is a good

    initiative to help out the many students

    who would be churned out by the Free

    Senior High School (Free SHS) as

    captured by the Report and who would

    all look for an opportunity to go through

    the system. As Hon Members of

    Parliament, we have had situations

    where unaccountable number of

    students knock at our doors, asking us to

    pay their fees for them and requesting us

    to be their guarantors to enable them to

    go through the systems.

    Mr Speaker, it is logical that the

    Government should demonstrate

    initiative and do something about it. In

    many countries, students could just

    enter their particulars on their mobile

    phones and be able to earn a loan

    facility. As it has already been

    mentioned, a loan facility is not equal to

    free money; it is money that would be

    paid back later on, but we are in a

    country where moneys that come in the

    pocket of people in the form of loans

    especially, facilitated by the

    Government, are seen as free money and

    when it happens that way, they are often

    reluctant to pay.

    There are a lot of banks who suffer

    from these kinds of challenges of

    beneficiaries of loans refusing to pay

    especially, when they pass through

    Government systems or when they

    know that there is a backing by the

    State. So, we need to do something in

    particular about it.

    Mr Speaker, first of all, we need to

    sensitise the students who are receiving

    this that this is a loan and not a grant that

    is not refunded. We also need to take

    into consideration the issues raised by

    Hon Bernard Ahiafor that the guarantee

    to secure the loan must be strong enough

    to make sure that the students actually

    pay back.

    I do understand the explanations

    provided in the Report that each

    student's Ghana Card is supposed to be linked to their student social security

    numbers to enable Government to track

    the students. However, that is not a

    strong enough guarantee, that is, if there

    is no strong initiative to ensure that

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    students understand what they have

    taken and would be willing to pay.

    Mr Speaker, I beg to urge the

    Ministry of Education to take that

    concern into deep consideration so that

    as this facility is out there for students

    who would be facing the challenge of

    sponsoring their education and getting

    them out in their numbers to the

    universities, there would also be a

    guarantee that we are not drawing the

    banks back and not creating a lot of bad

    debts and situations where we are

    unable to secure what has been given

    out. We have to train our young people

    to know that they have to demonstrate a

    high sense of responsibility in this

    matter.

    Thank you for the opportunity.
    Mr Benjamin Komla Kpodo 2:31 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, thank you for the opportunity
    to contribute to the debate on the
    Student Loan Scheme.
    Mr Speaker, it is truly necessary to
    get the Scheme really functioning
    because when we consider the number
    of demands made on us as Hon
    Members of Parliament by students for
    financial support, we cannot just wait
    any longer.
    The major difficulty with the Loan
    Scheme is the process through which
    the Fund goes to disburse the loans to
    the students. Students apply for these
    loans and it takes several months for the
    moneys to be disbursed to them. I think
    those are the critical points we have to
    look at.
    Mr Speaker, how do we identify the
    students as ‘needy'? It is a Scheme which is meant to support ‘needy' students because some students are
    identified as not being needy due to their
    parental backgrounds. Sometime back,
    we tried to get students to fill
    questionnaires so that we could identify
    those who really needed financial
    support in tertiary institutions but we
    were not successful. This was because
    everybody was saying the same thing on
    the form, so whether they came from
    rich or poor family backgrounds, they
    were saying the same thing. So, it was
    difficult to identify those who were
    needy and needed support.
    If this is difficult, then it means that
    once students enter the tertiary
    institutions, all of them would be going
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    in for the Loan. So, its success would be

    dependent on the amount that is

    available in the pot to distribute among

    all students.

    Mr Speaker, the payback of the loan

    is crucial. Sometimes, we make a lot of

    political statements and decisions which

    run to sound financial practices. If we

    give the students loans and tell them that

    they do not need anyone to stand in for

    them, they take it as free money and we

    cannot even imagine how these moneys

    are spent when they are not tied to

    specific assignments or projects. That is

    why, for me, when I am granting any

    financial support to a student, I give

    them conditions; I ask for their student

    identity number and then if it is for

    payment of fees, I send the money

    directly to the institution. In that way,

    they would not have access to the

    money in their pockets to do anything

    they want to do with it.

    So, I think that if we are going to

    carry through this ‘no guarantor scheme', then we must re-arrange it in such a way that the support would go to

    the specific needs of the students to

    solve those problems, not just giving

    them moneys to put in to their pockets

    and do whatever they want to do with it.

    If we do not secure the payback of the

    loan, future applicants would suffer

    because there would be nothing left in

    the Fund to disburse to them.

    Mr Speaker, thank you for the

    opportunity.

    Mr Rockson-Nelson Etse

    Dafeamekpor: Mr Speaker, I am

    guided. Thank you for the opportunity

    to raise two issues as part of this debate

    at this stage of the Bill.

    If you look at clause 3 of the

    memorandum accompanying the Bill,

    the entire Bill is anchored on this

    paragraph, which says; ‘in part, this

    provision over the years has been a

    barrier to many students accessing the

    Fund'. What is this provision? It is the

    provision that students should provide,

    at least, one guarantor in accessing the

    facility.

    Mr Speaker, I was hoping that, as a

    House, we would have been guided with

    some data that, for instance, from the

    year 2017 to date, out of 50,000

    prospective applicants, only 30,000

    were successful. This is because the

    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    20,000 who were interested in applying

    for the facility could not do so because

    they could not provide guarantors and it

    would have been a good guide.

    However, we are simply being told that

    because that provision served as a

    barrier, Government is compelled to

    come back to the House for this

    amendment to be effected.

    The second point I would want to

    raise is the presumption of non-

    compliance. We are presuming that if

    one has a guarantor and he or she

    accesses the facility, he or she may not

    comply by paying in full. Therefore, the

    guarantor now bears the burden of

    having to be called upon to pay. Again,

    I thought we could have been given

    some statistics there.

    Mr Speaker, finally, I agree that law

    is a tool for social engineering, so we are

    using these provisions to respond to the

    Mid-Year Review of the Free Senior

    High School Programme which is from

    the year 2017 to 2021/2022. Within that

    five-year period, the number of students

    who have gone through the Programme

    are such that we are expecting them to

    progress naturally to the next level

    which is the tertiary level; therefore,

    they may need financial assistance to be

    able to pursue the tertiary education.

    So, if we do not assist them to have

    easy access in applying for this facility,

    one of the key policy objectives of

    introducing the Free SHS policy would

    have been defeated. Again, I thought

    that we would have been given some

    data in terms of the numbers and it could

    have been contained in the

    memorandum.

    Mr Speaker, yes, I am in support but

    when we get to Consideration Stage, we

    would resist one or two provisions of the

    proposed Bill, particularly where we are

    saying that by a legislation we could say

    that an outstanding amount in respect of

    an applicant could be deemed to be a

    judgment debt. By our constitutional

    provision, we do not have the judicial

    power to make those pronouncements

    because it has to take a court of law,

    pursuant to article 125(3) - the judicial power is exercisable by the Judiciary.

    So, they may have to make

    pronouncements in terms of an amount

    due and owed as a judgment debt for

    which execution could be levied.

    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    Mr Speaker, with these words, I

    support the adoption of the Motion on

    the Floor so that the Bill could move to

    the Consideration Stage for expeditious

    consideration by Members and then

    passed into law. Mr Speaker, thank you

    for the opportunity.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:31 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader?
    Deputy Majority Leader (Mr
    Alexander K. Afenyo-Markin): Mr
    Speaker, thank you for this treasured
    space.
    Mr Speaker, the whole essence of
    these amendments is to enable students
    to have access, to deal with all the issues
    of frustration and difficulties, and to
    also make the students or beneficiaries
    responsible. For instance, if a guarantor
    has about five years to proceed on
    pension and a student has completed
    school and is not working yet, and the
    guarantor is supposed to take the
    responsibility, yet as a pensioner, part of
    his or savings would then be used, then
    that in itself is a problem. So, I believe
    that this no-guarantor policy is also to
    do away with the pressure that would be
    mounted on the guarantor. Mr Speaker,
    with the question of whether or not the
    beneficiary would pay the loan back, in
    this modern age where the whole system
    is being digitalised, one cannot benefit
    and run away. I believe that in the
    enforcement of this legislation, a system
    would be in place to track beneficiaries
    to begin with repayments as soon as
    they start working, so that it would not
    be that there would be some lacuna or
    gaps where a beneficiary would be
    working and still not attempt to pay
    back.
    Mr Speaker, if you go out there,
    many of our people are unable to access
    higher education because their parents,
    guardians, or relatives cannot afford.
    So, after introducing the Free SHS
    policy, the next thing is to create access
    for the many who have the willingness
    to proceed to get the opportunity and I
    think this is the thrust of the matter
    before us. Also, on the issue of saying
    that non-payment amounts to judgment
    debt, I agree with the Hon Member who
    spoke before me that these are matters
    of law, so perhaps we may find a more
    elegant way of expressing our
    intendment when we get to the
    Consideration Stage. Mr Speaker, I
    agree with him on that but suffice to say
    that this House has legislated on matters
    where we even created strict liabilities
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    such that with traffic offences, it is not

    for the prosecution to lead evidence of

    probative value, et cetera, but this

    House has legislated to make it a strict

    liability offence. So, immediately it is

    alleged that a person has committed a

    road traffic offence, it is for the person

    to prove his or her innocence.

    Mr Speaker, so we may have to

    couch that provision in an elegant

    manner. With the committed legislators

    who have time for Bills in this House,

    there is no doubt in my mind that when

    we get there they would help us to cross

    that important bridge, and I refer to no

    less a person than the Messi himself

    because I have seen him very busy with

    the scrutiny. Mr Speaker, I know that he

    and his followers would lead the charge

    to ensure that we find an elegant

    expression for that provision.

    Mr Speaker, having said all of these,

    I think that we must commend the

    Government for this bold step because

    expanding the human resource capacity

    of this country is very critical and once

    again, this is not about the NDC or NPP.

    Many of our people are impoverished

    because they could not have access to

    higher education, so to the extent that

    this bold step is being taken, and being

    done through a certificate of urgency, as

    a House, we must look critically at the

    Report of the Committee, commend

    them for their industry and proceed to

    do the needful as required of us by the

    Constitution.

    Mr Speaker, thank you.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:41 p.m.
    Very
    well.
    Deputy Minority Leader (Mr
    James K. Avedzi): Mr Speaker, I rise to
    support the Motion on the Floor.
    I think that the point has been clearly
    made on the need for an amendment in
    order to pave way for students to have
    access to funding for their education.
    We know that the major obstacle
    encountered by many students in
    accessing the facility is their inability to
    get the guarantors to guarantee for them.
    Mr Speaker, most of us here have gone
    through it and I remember that when I
    was looking for two guarantors for my
    loan application, it was a difficult
    situation for me but I was fortunate to
    get them. This is the same situation for
    many students today as they are unable
    to get the loan because they could not
    get the guarantors.
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    Mr Speaker, so if this Bill is meant to

    remove those challenges, then I think

    we must all support it. However, let us

    look at another side of it and when we

    get to the Consideration Stage,

    probably, we would be able to couch it

    properly. That is, if we are using the

    Ghana Card in place of the guarantors,

    the Ghana Card would definitely make

    it easy or possible to identify the

    students who have benefitted from the

    facility, but that cannot guarantee

    whether the person would be able to pay

    for the loan or not. What can guarantee

    the person paying is for the person to be

    gainfully employed, where he or she can

    pay out of his or her earnings. So, using

    the Ghana Card alone might not give us

    that guarantee because the person must

    be employed after his or her education,

    earn an income and then pay out of it.

    So, what do we do if two students

    who took the loan, completed school in

    the same year and one gains

    employment the following year but the

    second one stays more than five years

    without employment? What happens to

    the two students and what happens to

    the loan? Let us look at that clearly.

    How are we going to accumulate the

    interest for the one who could not get

    employment? This is because once the

    person cannot gain employment, he

    would not be able to pay or refund the

    loan. So, we should look at that

    critically. I saw some amendment being

    proposed of a 5 per cent monthly

    interest penalty. I already ruled out that

    that cannot happen because that would

    mean 60 per cent annually. In fact, it

    should completely go out. When we get

    there, we would know what to do. That

    amendment must be withdrawn

    completely because this amendment

    would rather impose greater punishment

    or challenges to the students and

    looking at that, it may not even

    encourage them to go for the loan at all.

    So, we would get there when we come

    to the Consideration Stage.

    So, Mr Speaker, I think that we

    should all support this and do it as

    quickly as possible because students are

    waiting to have access to the loan in

    order to take care of their education.

    With these few words, Mr Speaker, I

    also support the Motion and I thank you

    for the opportunity.

    Question put and Motion agreed to.

    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    The Students Loan Trust Fund

    (Amendment) Bill, 2021, accordingly

    read a Second time.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:41 p.m.
    Let us
    move to the item numbered 33.
    Suspension of Order 128(1)
    Deputy Minister for Education
    (Rev John Ntim Fordjour) (MP) (on
    behalf of the Minister): Mr Speaker, I
    rise to move that notwithstanding the
    provisions of Standing Order 128(1)
    which require that when a bill has been
    read a second time it shall pass through
    a consideration stage which shall not be
    taken until at least forty-eight hours
    have elapsed, the consideration stage of
    the Students Loan Trust Fund
    (Amendment) Bill, 2021, may be taken
    today.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:41 p.m.
    This
    is a procedural Motion.
    Mr Avedzi 2:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Bill was
    introduced under a certificate of
    urgency, so do we need to suspend the
    Order again to pave way? That was the
    agreement from this Side the last time.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as
    Leader would always say -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:41 p.m.
    Based
    on your prayer of reconciliation this
    morning.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:41 p.m.
    That is so, Mr
    Speaker. That is why I am saying that as
    Leader would always say, ɛnam bebree nsɛe nkwan. To wit, too much meat does not spoil the broth.
    Mr Speaker, that notwithstanding,
    the Motion has been moved. He should
    just second and let us proceed - [Interruption] - Mr Speaker, I am told the Chairman of the Committee has
    seconded.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:41 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I am happy that the Deputy
    Minority Leader has raised this matter.
    When a Bill is to be considered under a
    certificate of urgency, the other
    processes are waived automatically. So,
    this procedural Motion is superfluous
    and that is what we related to the other
    day, so I agree with him that it is
    wrongly advertised. Once a Bill comes
    under a certificate of urgency, these
    processes naturally fall, so they should
    not be resorted to.
    I agree with the Hon Deputy
    Minority Leader that it was wrong on
    the part of the Table Office to advertise
    it.
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Avedzi 2:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with
    the Hon Majority Leader. The only
    difference here is that the Motion for the
    Second Reading has been read and
    debated, and in that Report, the urgency
    was accepted by adopting the Second
    Reading so the procedural Motion is no
    more needed. With what happened the
    last time, we did not even take the
    Second Reading, so that is the
    difference and he should take note of
    that.
    Mr Peter Nortsu-Kotoe 2:41 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I know very well that this Bill
    was laid under a certificate of urgency.
    It has been three months now, so does
    that element of urgency still exist? I
    want education on that, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:41 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, that determination was made
    by the Committee and he is a formidable
    Member of that Committee, indeed, the
    Ranking Member, so for him to turn
    around and ask this question — This question should be asked of him.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:41 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, let us move on.
    Mr Ahiafor 2:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you
    for giving me the opportunity.
    Mr Speaker, this is a House of
    records and we need to do the right thing
    so that posterity would judge us right.
    This particular Bill was introduced to be
    taken under a certificate of urgency. The
    Committee wrote a report to the effect
    that the Bill is of an urgent nature and it
    must be taken under a certificate of
    urgency. It means that article 106(13) of
    the Constitution is invoked. Therefore,
    there is no need moving any procedural
    Motion in order to move to the
    Consideration Stage of the Bill. So, if
    we are moving a procedural Motion to
    move into a Consideration Stage, then
    by the record, any time there is a Bill
    introduced under a certificate of
    urgency, the procedural Motion would
    have to be moved. So, we should not set
    a bad precedence.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:41 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I think that is exactly what we
    have said and as to what the Hon
    Ranking Member asked, I said that he
    should rather answer the question. In
    any event, the rules provide that once it
    is determined by the relevant
    Committee that a Bill is of an urgent
    nature and such that it should be so
    considered, all the processes of the Bill
    may be considered in one day. The
    operative word is “may”. It does not mean it shall be considered in one day
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    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Leader, on that note, do we go
    ahead to put the Question? Very well.
    Hon Members, we would then move
    to item numbered -
    Mr Rockson Nelson E.K.
    Dafeamekpor: Mr Speaker, I think the
    tango here is clarity. So that tomorrow,
    when we find ourselves in the same
    situation, a similar Motion may not
    engage the House. So, if you would
    direct, then we can be guided.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Well,
    we got the impression that the operative
    word is “may”, so I would put the Question - [Inaudible] - Very well. So the operative word is “may”; let us take it like that and move on.
    Hon Members, we would move to
    item numbered 34 - Consideration Stage.
    Yes, Chairman of the Committee?
    BILLS - CONSIDERATION 2:51 p.m.

    STAGE 2:51 p.m.

    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, we will start with clause 1.
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr
    Kwabena Amankwah Asiamah): Mr
    Speaker, to proceed, I would like to
    amend -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, do you have any
    amendments in clause 1?
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes
    I have one - Clause 5.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    No,
    we have not gotten to clause 5 yet.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5, amendment
    proposed -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, we have not gotten to Clause
    5. Let us start with clause 1.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    think the issue is this; the amendments
    are in respect of Section 5 of the Act. If
    we take the Order Paper, it is captured
    as clause 5, but item (i). So, it has to be
    item 1, clause 5, and not clause 1. So
    procedurally, we would start from
    clause 1 all the way, because there are
    no amendments in respect of those, so
    they will become part of the Bill.
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    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:51 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I think the appropriate
    rendition, if we look at the Order Paper,
    it is listed as Roman numeral (i) that is
    the item. So, item listed as Roman
    numeral (i), which is clause 5 that the
    Chairman wants to relate to. Just so that
    we get the chronology right, it is item
    listed as (i).
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Hon
    Leader, procedurally, will we not start
    with clause 1? It is only when we get to
    clause 5 that we would come to -
    Yes, Table Office? - Have you already read it? -
    Clause 1 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:51 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, yes indeed, what is captured in
    the Order Paper seeks to delete
    paragraph(f) of the original. In the
    space, we would have insert “one representative of the Ghana Tertiary
    Education Commission”, the original read: “one representative of the National Council for Tertiary Education”.
    Now, by the new Act that Parliament
    passed in 2019, we have changed the
    designation, which is why they are
    doing this. So, I agree with this
    principle. My worry, however, is that
    even in the Constitution, there are so
    many of such provisions which exist.
    The nomenclature of which has changed
    without amending those ones. I think we
    should construe it to mean that even
    what has been done by the new Act,
    when we talk about the National
    Council for Tertiary Education, now we
    are talking about the Ghana Tertiary
    Education Commission. Otherwise, at
    every single step, we may have to do
    these amendments. For instance, I may
    want to draw our attention to the
    composition of the National Security
    Council. The new Bill that we made has
    changed the designations. For instance,
    we have:
    “There shall be a National Security Council which shall
    consist of -
    (g) the Director of External
    Intelligence.”
    We do not have the Director of
    External Intelligence. We have the
    Director of Internal Intelligence, the
    Director of Military Intelligence - Who are they? We know them, but with the
    new Acts that we have passed, do we
    have to go and amend the 1992
    Constitution? So, I have difficulties
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    when we have at every turn, to be

    proffering amendments to these Acts.

    Otherwise, we may have to go back to

    the 1992 Constitution and make these

    amendments, but I agree with the

    principle. Do we have, to be doing

    these? That is my challenge.
    Mr Bernard Ahiafor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    apparently, on this occasion, we have no
    option, because one cardinal principle in
    making legislation is to avoid
    ambiguity. So, we try to avoid
    ambiguity in the sense that, if we go to
    the Education Regulatory Bodies Act,
    we do not see a terminology different
    from what is used in this amendment
    Bill. It is because this amendment Bill
    has come after the passage of the
    Education Regulatory Bodies Bill, that
    is why in doing this amendment, that
    terminology which was used in the
    Education Regulatory Bodies Bill must
    be the terminology that would have to
    be used here as a consequential
    amendment. So there is no difficulty
    about it.
    Mr Speaker, the problem that the
    Hon Member has raised is a genuine
    problem, because the Constitution itself
    used certain terminologies and this
    House passed laws and those
    terminologies have changed.
    Meanwhile the Constitution remains the
    same.
    3. 02 p.m.
    So, we need to take a holistic look at
    it. I must also submit that it is about time
    for us to even look at a holistic
    amendment of the 1992 Constitution to
    update it.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    think that the Hon Majority Leader is
    the Leader of Government Business,
    and one of the key things that I have
    realised is that we do not even re-print
    our laws to take care of the new
    emerging terms and terminologies that
    we are employing, which is one.
    Secondly, I think that when, as a
    result of responding to emerging trends
    or new things, we include them in our
    legislations going forward, it behoves
    the House to go back to occasion
    consequential amendments, which are
    not fatal to the Constitution because
    every Act of this House and its
    subsidiaries are supposed to be in
    conformity with the constitutional
    provisions. These are nomenclatures;
    they simply change the names of
    offices, which are not fatal. So, once we
    see it fit to change names of State
    institutions, we have the duty to go back
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    to let them reflect in the Constitution as

    they are reflecting in the parent Act. So,

    the Hon Majority Leader is here, and he

    has been guiding us. I think that he has

    encountered the problem, so going

    forward, maybe we would take steps to

    do some of these things.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    So,
    Hon Majority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:51 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we can do one of two things.
    We may do it the way we are doing it. If
    we traverse that route, then my
    suggestion is that we should go to other
    pieces of legislation and bring them up
    to speed. However, the other option is
    the effect of the Interpretation Act,
    2009. I just called for it, so we would
    look at section 35. It makes adequate
    provision for what we are doing, and
    makes this exercise superfluous. That is
    my worry, but I agree that for the
    purposes of clarity and avoiding
    ambiguity we may want to do this, but
    once we start this exercise, we may have
    to go the whole hog, otherwise what
    would be the effect of section 35 of the
    Interpretation Act, 2009? That is the
    difficulty, but maybe we would call in
    the draftspersons to aid us in this, as to
    whether we would have to go this route
    or leave it and recline to the effects of
    section 35 of the Interpretation Act,
    because it cures that mischief.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    what is the way forward?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:51 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the sponsor, that is the
    Ministry of Education, is requesting that
    we allow them to follow that route, but
    it is for them. There are other major
    Bills which have these same afflictions.
    I am just bringing this on board so that
    we look at it holistically, but for now,
    we may yield to the humble plea of the
    Hon Deputy Minister for Education,
    even though I do not think that is the
    best that we could do. However, under
    the circumstance, maybe we would do
    that and see going forward, what best
    option is available to us.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, let us now begin from clause
    1.
    Clause 1 is ordered to stand part of
    the Bill.
    Clause 2 - Section 19 of Act 820 repealed
    Mr James K. Avedzi 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    clause 2 says that the principal
    enactment is amended by the repeal of
    section 19, but what is there in section
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    19? We should know what we are

    repealing, if not, we would make

    mistakes. So, section 19 of the principal

    enactment should be read to us so that

    we would know what it is.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:51 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I think that this whole
    enactment Bill is predicated on the role
    of guarantors, and section 19 reads, and
    with your permission I quote:
    “A borrower shall provide at
    least one guarantor acceptable to
    the Board prior to
    the disbursement of the loan by
    the Board.”
    Since we are truncating the role of
    guarantors, we do not need that, and that
    is why they are calling for the deletion
    of section 19.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    So,
    Hon Members, we would move on to
    clause 2.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    think that the oversight was that it was
    not reproduced in the Order Paper and
    also in the Bill. So, once the Hon
    Majority Leader has read it to the
    House, it is for consideration.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    So,
    should we focus only on the
    amendment?
    Mr Dafeamekpor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    amendment is to the effect that it should
    be deleted; taken out completely. That is
    the gravamen of the Bill, so it was a
    mere oversight that they did not
    reproduce it. In my opinion, even
    though we are asking that the principal
    enactment is amended by the repeal of
    section 19, we ought to see section 19
    captured here.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:51 p.m.
    But
    that has been read by the Hon Majority
    Leader.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    exactly; and that is why I am saying that
    - [Interruption] - My humble position is that even though the amendment in
    respect of clause 2 as it is in the Bill is
    for the repeal of section 19 of the parent
    law, it means that it has to be deleted
    completely, but like the Hon Majority
    Leader said, what would we want to
    delete because somebody may want to
    see the provision. That is all that I am
    saying.
    Mr Ahiafor 2:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    amendment proposed is correct. The
    effect of this amendment is that section
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    19 of the parent Act would no longer be

    part of the law. So, we are deleting in its

    entirety section 19. If we want to know

    what is being deleted, then we would

    have to look at the parent Act to know

    what is being deleted. We do not

    reproduce what we are deleting in the

    Order Paper, so it would be wrong to

    reproduce what we are deleting in the

    Order Paper.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I think that what the Hon
    Deputy Minority Leader sought was an
    explanation underpinning the proposal
    to delete section 19. He did not call for
    a reproduction of the original. The Hon
    Dafeamekpor said that it should be
    reproduced, but that is not how it is
    done.

    However, it was for the Hon

    Chairman to have spoken to it to explain

    to us why it is being deleted, but the

    original is not reproduced in the Order

    Paper.

    Mr Speaker, having said so, I believe

    this is not a point for litigation. I think

    we understand. So, it was only for those

    who are not Hon Members of the

    Committee because of course, this

    whole exercise is not only for them; it is

    for plenary. That is why the Hon

    Chairman, who is leading us, ought to

    have spoken to it; but now, we

    understand so, we can move on.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, this
    stage of the exercise we are conducting
    is called “Consideration Stage”. It is not for nothing that it is labelled as such. If
    we are asking this House to repeal a
    certain provision, I would want to see it.
    This is the Bill - [Interruption]. I do not have the parent Act. Do not say you
    disagree. It is your opinion. It is
    procedure. I would want to see what we
    are repealing, and you are saying it is
    wrong. It cannot be wrong.
    We may not have done so in the past,
    but I think the proper thing is that if you
    bring a Bill that a certain provision of an
    existing enactment be repealed, as an
    Hon Member of the House, I would
    want to see it. You do not have to tell me
    that I should go and look for the parent
    Act before I see it. For all you know, I
    would resist that it should not be
    repealed, and I would have my reasons.
    With all due respect, when we ask a
    certain portion of an enactment to be
    repealed, it does not hurt if it is
    reproduced for Hon Members to see it in
    the Bill.
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    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    We
    would take it on board in the future.
    Mrs Elizabeth Ofosu-Adjare 3:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I agree with the Hon
    Dafemekpor. I would want to take you
    to paragraph 3 on page 1 of the
    Memorandum. Mr Speaker, it has
    explained that section 19 of the Act
    requires students to provide, at least,
    one guarantor to be eligible to access the
    Fund. It would not hurt, after saying
    this, if what section 19 says is
    reproduced so that we know exactly
    what we are to delete. If you are
    repealing a law, to take everybody along
    in one document as you have explained
    so, it is very elegant in writing to state
    what you are repealing so that you can
    take everybody along without referring
    to the parent Act.
    rose
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, the issue has been noted.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with all
    due respect, let me place on record that
    any time a piece of legislation is being
    amended, to be able to follow the
    amendment being proposed, you need
    the parent Act. Therefore, there is no
    need reproduce what is contained in the
    parent Act on the Order Paper. The
    parent Act and the Bill would have to go
    hand in hand. Once we say section 19 of
    the Act is repealed in its entirety, you
    quickly look at section 19 of the parent
    Act. Other than that, when it comes to
    amendments, our Order Papers would
    be so voluminous. The parent Act is
    available. By practice, that is what we
    do. We do not reproduce what is to be
    amended on the Order Paper. I have not
    seen it in this House before.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, your concerns -
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with all due respect, this is not an Order
    Paper; this is the Bill that was brought
    to the House with a memorandum
    attached to it explaining in copious
    terms why section 19 must be taken out
    of the parent enactment. Hon Ahiafor
    should show me the procedure that says
    we cannot reproduce a section to be
    repealed for Hon Members to see - [An
    Hon Member: It is a drafting style] No,
    this is not a drafting style; it is a matter
    of procedure - [Interruption] [Mr
    Ahiafor: Show me one amendment Bill
    that -] You have not shown me any. We
    may not have been doing it, but it cannot
    be the case.
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    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, your concerns are well noted.
    We will take it on board henceforth.
    Clause 2 to 4 ordered to stand part of
    the Bill.
    Mr Avedzi 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I stood up,
    but I did not catch your eye. Mr Speaker,
    clause 4, “Section 25 of Act 820 amended” reads:
    “The principal enactment is amended by the substitution
    for subsection (1), of …”
    I think that there must be some
    reason why this entire - [Interruption] Why are you amending clause 4? We
    have taken clause 3 already, and we are
    now on clause 4.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    We
    are only amending clause 5.
    Mr Avedzi 3:11 p.m.
    Clause 4 of the amended
    Bill on page 3 says:
    “The principal enactment is amended by the substitution for
    subsection (1), of …”
    So, the entire section 25 of the
    principal enactment is being
    amendmended by the substitution with
    proposal. We should have reasons why
    we are doing that. [An Hon Member:
    We have not reached there] Do not say
    we have not reached there; we are there.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, just so that we save time, the
    Hon Deputy Minority Leader did not
    even mention clause 3 which reads:
    “The principal enactment is amended by the repeal of subsection (2)”. He did not even ask for the reason. The reason for
    that, just so we do not go back, is this:
    Section 23(2) of the original Act
    provides:
    “(2) Where the borrower fails to pay the loan granted by the
    Board, the guarantor of the loan
    is liable to pay the loan and the
    Board shall issue a certificate of
    payment to the guarantor on full
    payment.”
    That is what is sought to be
    deleted in clause 3.
    Clause 4 says “The principal enactment is amended by the
    substitution for subsection (1), of” and then they list this. That refers to section
    25. Mr Speaker, section 25(1) also
    refers to the guarantor. The original
    provides:
    “(1) The Board may in writing require an employer, a person or an
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    (c) work place and work place

    address,

    (d) telephone numbers,

    (e) e-mail address,

    (f) national identification number,

    (g) national health insurance

    number,

    (h) social security and national

    insurance trust number, or, any

    other recognised national pension

    scheme number, and

    (i) any other information on a

    borrower or guarantor.”

    3. 21 p. m.

    So, they have sought to delete ‘or guarantor' at the end, and then, clean up the preamble in the (i), which now then

    reads:

    “The Board may in writing, require an employer, a person or

    an institution to provide the

    following information in respect

    of a borrower”.

    I think that is the essence of it.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minority Leader, I hope you are
    okay.
    We move to clause 5, Chairman of
    Committee?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, just a bit of editorial work for
    clause 4; I think there should be a
    comma after ‘may'. The Board may, in writing, require an employer, a
    person…' then, it flows. There should have been two commas there otherwise,
    it may alter the preamble:
    “The Board may in writing, require an employer, a person or
    an institution to provide the
    following information in respect
    of a borrower”.
    But I think that can be handled by the
    draftspersons.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, my
    worry is with the item listed as 4(1) (f);
    the National Identification Number.
    Now, is it the National Identification
    Number or National Identification
    Card? This is because my understanding
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    is that it is in respect of the proper

    identity of the applicant. Now, if we are

    simply asking for a number - [Pause]-
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    I think
    with the National Identification Card;
    you may have your number.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that
    is the intendment here. So, it means that
    if you have a passport, it cannot be
    relied on in this case. - [Interruption] - There would be a passport number. That
    is alright, I am guided.
    Mr Moses Anim 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    following from what he said, you would
    realise that paragraph (g) mentions the
    National Health Insurance number. Just
    for consistency, the Social Security
    number. And the subclause (h) as well.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman?
    Clause 5 - Section 26 of Act 820 Amended.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, paragraph (a), subsection
    (2), line 1, after “notice”, insert “of demand” and in line 2, after “address”, insert “of the borrower”.
    Mr Speaker, the new rendition reads 3:11 p.m.
    “A copy of the notice of demand shall be sent or
    delivered to the borrower at
    the last known place of abode
    or address of the borrower
    and published twice in a daily
    newspaper of national
    circulation”.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree
    with the second part of the amendment
    but disagree with the first part of the
    amendment. Mr Speaker, always, we
    say ‘demand notice', it is not notice of demand. Everybody would agree that
    the terminology is ‘demand notice', not notice of demand. This is the only
    concern that I have; apart from that, I
    agree to the amendment being made. So,
    it should remain ‘demand notice'.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, he
    was at the meeting; we met -[Laughter] - we met the attorneys and he raised this same thing and they said no, it is
    now ‘notice of demand', not demand notice. The Hon Member was there, he
    raised it and they answered him; he
    accepted it, why is he raising it on the
    Floor again? These are some of the
    things that do not—
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    Mr Ahiafor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there is a
    principle known as Bagbin's Principle. At the Committee level, if you raise an
    issue that the Committee Members do
    not agree with you, and you feel
    strongly about the point that you made,
    nothing prevents you from raising it on
    the Floor again. All lawyers here
    including the Hon Chairman, would
    agree with me that the terminology is
    ‘demand notice', not notice of demand. So, if I raised this issue and my Hon
    Chairman did not agree with me at the
    Committee level, this is the appropriate
    forum for me to raise it.
    Mr Speaker, I recall, even after the
    Committee meeting, I came to the Hon
    Chairman that I would want him to drop
    the first and second proposed
    amendments because the terminology is
    ‘demand notice'. And the drafters are right in doing so.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, do you not think that is the
    language in the original text?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, what they are used to saying
    really is a slang, and not the official
    construct. It is notice of demand. Yes,
    you have become used to saying
    ‘demand notice' but that is not the official construct; the official construct
    is ‘notice of demand'. It is the reason that if we look at clause 26 - and it takes its root from clause 26(1). And it
    provides:
    “Where a borrower defaults in paying the loan for six
    cumulative months, the Board
    shall send notice of demand to
    the borrower”.
    So, consistently, when you come to
    clause 26(2), which then, turns into
    ‘demand notice', it is just saying that just apply yourself to the official
    construct in clause 26(1) so that it flows.
    If you want the corrupted version that
    you use and which you have become
    used to, perhaps, then, you have to go to
    clause 26(1) and use the same construct
    so that it would follow. But do not
    corrupt the official document with your
    corrupted version of your daily usage of
    the terminology.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like the Hon Majority Leader to look at
    clause 26(2); the appropriate
    terminology, ‘demand notice' is there.
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    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:11 p.m.
    That is
    what you are talking about. They are
    only saying that it should be consistent
    with official construct which is ‘notice of demand'. So, it is about the same thing though, using ‘demand notice'. But just so that nobody would
    misinterpret it after you are gone so that
    it would be consistent with clause 26(1).
    That is all that there is to it.
    Mr Peter Nortsu-Kotoe 3:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the problem was created by the
    proposed amendment because if you
    look at this, it says a ‘copy of the notice'. So, we referred to clause 26(1). Then, when you look at clause 26(2)
    again, it changed but we agreed that we
    should just go by clause 26(1) so that we
    would go forward. So that is how it
    came about and so I think we could go
    by clause 26(1) and then, all others
    would follow in that manner.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:31 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree
    that the Act itself use, the inconsistent
    language because if you come to section
    26(1), it says “notice of demand” and when you come to section 26(2), the Act
    uses “demand notice”. So, if we realise that the appropriate terminology should
    be “demand notice” and not “notice of
    demand”, then we should rather amend section 26 (1) to let it be in - [Interruption] You have named me as
    an internal litigant, so I am an internal
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:31 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    in support of the further amendment
    proposed by Hon Ahiafor and he should
    not run away from it. The “demand notice” is a term of art and has even assumed judicial interpretation. I have
    about three judicial decisions here
    where the term “demand notice” has been defined by the courts. It is even in
    our rules of court, C. I. 47. So, it is not
    out of place that the parent Act quickly
    run away from the use of “notice of demand” to “demand notice” down the line.
    So, my point is that the fact that we
    used “notice of demand” in some other provision in the law, does not obviate
    from the fact that legally speaking, the
    proper term that we know and use is
    “demand notice”. So, I pray that Hon Members would - There is no inconsistency in terms of its meaning
    but I think what we want to do now is to
    stay consistent to the use of “demand notice” going forward and not rather go back to “notice of demand”. So, I am in full support -
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    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:31 p.m.
    So,
    are you proposing another amendment?
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:31 p.m.
    No, he has
    proposed a further amendment to the
    amendment proposed by the Committee
    and I am in support of what Hon Ahiafor
    has proposed, that we should stick to
    “demand notice”. It carries a better and further meaning of what the intendment
    of “demand notice” is supposed to serve than “notice of demand”.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:31 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I think that you have explained
    that the official construct is “notice of demand”. However, in usage, you would say “demand notice”. To cure this, I thought this lawsonic intervention
    was going to lead us astray but just so
    that we stay consistent, we can send it to
    interpretation where “notice of demand means demand notice”. It cures it and it is about the same things or if we use
    “demand notice”, it would also say that “demand notice is notice of demand”. It cures it. I am not sure that we have to be
    splitting hairs like this.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:31 p.m.
    Mr Speraker,
    Halsbury's Laws of England which is every lawyer's bible, defines “demand notice” to mean a notice that an amount is owing and due, so you must pay. In
    other terms, they even say “demand
    letter” but we have moved away from using “demand letter” because the “demand notice” that we seek to use here, is in terms of giving notice to you
    at large, that a certain amount of money
    is due and owing and you should pay at
    a certain appointed time.
    So, if you go to the Black's Law dictionary, it also explains the term
    “demand notice” to mean the intendment that this House wants to
    carry today. So, we should rather stick
    to “demand notice” and move away from “notice of demand”. Hon Majority Leader, respectfully submitted.
    Mr Nortsu-Kotoe 3:31 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    there was an argument of this nature and
    a former Member of this House, Hon
    Yieleh Chireh said that by even deleting
    one word, you have saved some time
    and ink. So, “notice of demand” to “demand notice”, you have saved “of”. So, I would urge that Hon Ahiafor
    proposes a further amendment, so that
    we can take it and then move forward.
    Mr Samuel Abdulai Jinapor 3:31 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I am just a bit at a loss on the
    difference between “demand notice” and “notice of demand”.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:31 p.m.
    But in
    your practice, how have you been -
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    Mr S. A. Jinapor 3:31 p.m.
    They mean the
    same and there is absolutely no
    difference between the two. The
    “demand notice” is a very straight and summarised form of making a demand
    of somebody and “notice of demand” is the same “notice of demand”, making a demand of somebody. There is
    absolutely no difference between
    “notice of demand” and “demand notice”.
    They are of the same import and
    meaning. So, that is just a clarification
    that I want to make, which is that for the
    records, there is absolutely no
    difference and they mean just the same.
    Both are a demand you make of
    somebody, giving notice to the person
    of your demand, whichever way you
    couch it.
    Mrs Elizabeth Ofosu-Adjare 3:31 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the more reason we have to use
    “demand notice” is that it is what has been used over the years in our law
    courts and it is what every lawyer
    understands without any interpretation.
    If it is there and not creating any
    problem, why should we change it?
    So, I think that in all fairness,
    “demand notice” must stand because it is that which we have used over the
    years, that which the courts have
    interpreted and that which the dictionary
    uses. So, now that we are happy to be
    doing the amendment, I think that it is
    proper to stick to what we already know,
    which has not created any problem. If
    there is no problem, do not create a new
    one.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:31 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I want the
    Hon Minister for Lands and Natural
    Resources to know that in drafting,
    sometimes, you have to be careful when
    using synonyms. Why do you have to be
    careful when using synonyms? You
    would go closer to a terminology that is
    generally accepted, so once the
    generally acceptable terminology is
    “demand notice”, if you use “notice of demand”, in interpretation, it could mean, you are referring to something
    else other than the “demand notice” that is popularly referred to. That is the
    reason for which we are saying that you
    stick to the use of “demand notice”.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move,
    amendment proposed:
    “a copy of the demand notice shall be sent or delivered to the
    borrower at the last known place
    of abode or address of the
    borrower and published twice in
    a daily newspaper of national
    circulation”.
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    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:31 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    throw my weight behind the present
    amendment. [Interruption] [Laughter] I
    second the present amendment.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:41 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I said that just for the
    avoidance of doubt because we are
    talking about amendment in one
    provision or the other. Section 26 (1) is
    using the phrase “notice of demand” and then section 26(2) uses “demand notice”. We should be consistent. If it is “demand notice”, section 26 (1) should be amended appropriately to “demand notice”. Conversely, if it is “notice of demand”, section 26(2) should be so amended.

    Mr Speaker, I believe this really is a

    distinction without difference and I am

    wondering why we are doing this.

    Having said so, what we really need to

    attend to, if I look at the clause 5 (a),

    there is a change in terminology. The 5

    (a) (2) says:

    “A copy of the notice of demand or demand notice shall be sent or

    delivered to the borrower at the

    last known place of abode…”

    That is the first time we are using

    that. Section 25 uses places of

    residence. So, I thought that we would

    attend to that to say; “the last known place of residence”. That is what it should be so that it would be in

    consistent with section 25 but he is

    splitting hairs on matters that really

    should not concern us - we should rather amend that one. The “place of abode” should read “place of residence”.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:41 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would want to propose a
    minor amendment to that effect so that
    Section 26 of clause 5 (a) (2) should be
    “a place of residence” instead of “a place of abode” so that it would be consistent with what we did in Section
    25 of cl ause 4 (1) with regard to the
    residential or postal address.
    Mr S. Jinapor 3:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, for the
    record, the Hon Majority Leader seems
    to have settled the matter but just
    because I raised the issue, it is important
    that I set the records so that the Hansard
    could capture it properly. I clearly agree
    with the Hon Majority Leader that if in
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    the Bill there are different parts where

    “demand notice” and “notice of demand” are used interchangeably, then we open ourselves for issues of

    controversy when it comes to

    interpretation. However, I would want

    to maintain the point I made that there is

    no difference between “notice of demand” and “demand notice”.

    To conclude on that, the Hon

    Member for Techiman North, Mrs

    Ofosu-Agyare, made a point about a

    distinction between “notice of demand” and “demand notice”. Whether the courts have pronounced on it or it is the

    generally accepted way of using the

    concept of “demand notice” and “notice of demand”, in our country, there is a statue of interpretation so where there

    are disputes on the interpretation of

    words and terminologies, it is the

    Interpretation Act that settles it. In the

    Interpretation Act, there is no

    distinction between “notice of demand” and “demand notice”. It is just like the State Proceedings Act which states that

    before an action is commenced against

    the State, notice has to be served on the

    Hon Attorney-General and Minister for

    Justice. How the notice is served

    whether it is through a demand notice, a

    notice of demand or notice of

    commencing proceeding or

    commencement of proceedings notice,

    in substance, there is no difference.

    However, I would concede to the

    Hon Majority Leader to say that if in the

    Bill the terminology is used

    interchangeably as “demand notice” and “notice of demand”, then on the basis of the canon of interpretation one would

    suggest that this House placed different

    interpretations on “notice of demand” and “demand notice” but in substance, there is no difference between “notice of demand” and “demand notice”. If anybody were to point a provision of the

    Interpretation Act to me, which

    distinguishes between “notice of demand” and “demand notice”, I would concede on that but otherwise, there is

    no difference.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:41 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I thought we have gone past
    this. We are not talking about substance.
    We know they mean the same but we are
    talking about what we use in practice.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, my
    Hon Colleague just said that pursuant to
    the Interpretation Act, “notice of demand” is interpreted to mean “demand notice” - [Interruption] - that
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    was what he said. It is a view he has

    placed on the expression but I have

    anchored my submission and that of the

    proponent on the definition as contained

    in Halsbury's Law of England and the Black's Law Dictionary and three decisions of our superior courts of

    judicature. I could refer the House to

    Brown and Others v. Hoeks (Ghana)

    Limited

    2 GLR 15 pursuant to

    the decision by Griffiths Randolph J.

    and again, Brobbey J. as he then was in

    1 GLR 351.

    Mr Speaker, I did these research

    because of the amendment I have

    proposed. The Hon Majority Leader

    may be right in saying that - [Interruption] - No, these are matters of record. He mentioned the Interpretation

    Act and said that they are

    interchangeably used but I said no. It is

    an opinion he has proffered. In support

    of the Hon Member of Akatsi South, Mr

    Ahiafor, the Hon Majority Leader said

    we should stick to “notice of demand” and we have proposed that pursuant to

    these other sources of legal information,

    it would be prudent and consistent to

    stick to “demand notice” because it has become a term of art in law and it has

    been interpreted and there is no

    problem.

    Mr Speaker, I humbly submit.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:41 p.m.
    The
    medical doctor also wants to -
    Dr Afriyie 3:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the lawyers
    cannot bully us. When we refer to the
    Queen's language there are two operational words which are “demand” and “notice”. When we refer to “demand notice”, the “demand” is an adjective and “notice” is a noun but when we say “notice of demand”, “notice of” is adjective and “demand” is a noun. So, which one is important - is it the “notice” or the “demand”? The one which is premiere is what we should
    put emphasis on.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:41 p.m.
    The
    Hon Majority Leader also proposed
    amendment that the word “abode” should be replaced with “residence”.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 3:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5 (a) (2) line 1, after
    “notice” insert “of demand” and in line 2, delete “abode” and insert “residence”
    The new rendition would read:
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    “A copy of the notice of demand shall be sent or delivered to the

    borrower at the last known place

    of residence or address of the

    borrower and published twice in

    a daily newspaper of national

    circulation.

    Question put and amendment agreed

    to
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 3:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5 (b), subsection
    (3), line 2, delete “demand notice” and insert “notice of demand”.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought
    with all the arguments that have been
    canvassed with regard to the use of the
    appropriate terminology “demand
    notice”, the Hon Chairman would have
    abandoned this amendment.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:51 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, if the Hon Member for South
    Dayi, Mr Dafeamekpor and the Hon
    Member for Akatsi South, Mr Ahiafor,
    listened to the Question that you
    proposed - you proposed the Question
    on “notice of demand” and the response
    was “Ayes”.

    Mr Speaker, we proposed the

    Question on ‘notice of demand' and the response was yes. So, to be consistent,

    let us go through. However, with

    respect, we can leave that one to the

    draftspersons so that we move ahead.

    Let us leave the construct of ‘notice of demand' and ‘demand notice' to the draftspersons to advice better.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move the new rendition for clause
    5(b) as follows:
    “Where the borrower fails to pay or make a satisfactory
    arrangement to repay the loan in
    accordance with the notice of
    demand, the Board shall publish
    the name of the borrower in a
    daily newspaper of national
    circulation”
    Mr Ahiafor 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Majority Leader suggested that we leave
    it to the draftspersons and so, the Hon
    Chairman should not be giving us the
    new rendition.

    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021

    They would refer it to the

    draftspersons and so, they would be able

    to help us instead of him giving us -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:51 p.m.
    So,
    Hon Member, how do I put the
    Question? Should we move to item
    numbered (iii)?
    Very well.
    Hon Members, let me put the
    Question on item numbered (ii) since
    the Hon Majority Leader has already
    indicated that the draftspersons would
    address that particular amendment.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5 paragraph (c)
    subsection (4), opening phrase, delete
    “subregulation” and insert “subsection”
    Mr Ahiafor 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am in
    support of the amendment.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5 paragraph (c),
    subsection (4), subparagraph (a), delete
    and insert the following:
    “(a) the amount owed;
    (b) time within which to
    pay the amount owed;
    and
    (c) failure to pay the
    amount owed as stated
    in subparagraph (a),
    shall attract a monthly
    penalty of interest of
    five per cent until the
    date of final payment.”
    Mr Speaker, I beg to proffer further
    amendment to this amendment. That is,
    the amendments captured in subsection
    4 (a) and (b) should be maintained and
    (c) should be completely deleted. So,
    the new rendition would read:
    Clause 5 paragraph (c), subsection
    (4), subparagraph (a), delete and insert
    the following:
    “(a) the amount owed;
    (b) time within which to pay
    the amount owed”
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    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:51 p.m.
    So,
    Hon Member, you have now done away
    with the subparagraph (c).
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:51 p.m.
    That is so, Mr
    Speaker.
    Mr Ahiafor 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, looking at
    the amendment and once the
    subparagraph (c) has been deleted, I do
    not see any difference between this and
    what is in the original Bill. This is
    because the original Bill is saying that;
    “the amount owed and demand that the amount owed shall be paid within one
    month after the publication”.
    So, the amount owed that the Hon
    Member is stating here in subparagraph
    (a) is already here. “The time within which to pay the amount owed” is also stated here but over here, it is specific
    such that the time period is stated in the
    law that within one month. However,
    the Hon Member is leaving it at “time within which to pay the amount owed”
    Mr Speaker, so, given the
    opportunity, I would go in for the law
    that stipulates the period rather than the
    law that leaves the period open. What if,
    in writing the letter, it says, payment
    should be made within three days, it is
    also within the law. That is why the
    framers of the amendment are indicating
    that it should be one month which is
    certain and so, for the sake of certainty,
    I would go with the original rendition
    rather than the amendment proposed.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:51 p.m.
    Yes,
    Hon Member, would you abandon -
    Mr Dafeamekpor 3:51 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with all due respect, I disagree with my
    Learned Hon Senior Colleague both
    here and out there.
    There are differences in the original
    amendment in the Bill and my
    amendment is in respect of “the amount owed”. Now, my other amendment is in respect of “time within which to pay the amount owed”. This is because we speak of administrative steps and these
    are publications to be effected in a
    newspaper of national circulation and it
    means there are exigencies. The person
    whose condition or outstanding amount
    is falling into a default is in some
    difficulty.
    Mr Speaker, so, if we legislate in
    respect of the time within which one is
    to pay, we may be tying the hands of the
    administrators. That is why, given the
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    peculiar circumstances, they would

    determine that they are giving us 90

    days within which to pay but if we

    legislate then they cannot extend such a

    time, given the peculiar circumstances

    of the person whose condition as a

    student, recently graduated and finds

    himself in an employment and within

    one month, is being called upon to make

    this payment. That person may be in a

    state of impecuniousness and so, I think

    that we should give that latitude to the

    administrators or the managers of the

    Fund to determine.

    In any case, there would be a

    regulation to operationalise the law so

    we can give the timeframe and state

    them in the regulation. On this matter, I

    disagree with my Senior Colleague.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:51 p.m.
    Very
    well.
    Mr Nortsu-Kotoe 4:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if
    you come to clause 5(3) of the
    amendment Bill, it is captured as:
    “Where the borrower fails to pay or make a satisfactory arrangement to
    repay the loan in accordance with the
    demand notice …” that is where this would come in.
    So, there is already a provision for it
    in the Bill and there is no need to re-state
    it in the amendment as the Hon Member
    is proposing. It is clear. This is because
    the students must make the provision
    that they know they have defaulted and
    would pay within a certain time
    probably, with their employers or the
    managers of the Trust Fund.

    Mr Speaker, I think there is no need

    belabouring the point that it should be

    stated categorically there because it is

    clearly specified in subclause (3) above.

    This is how I see it.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with all due respect, I did not understand
    the Hon Ranking Member, but the
    gravamen of my amendment is that I
    have restructured the (a) and divided it
    into two subclauses; the amount owed in
    the notice of publication must be clearly
    stated. Then I am also proposing that in
    (b), the time frame within which the
    person is supposed to pay should also be
    stated in the notice. However, the
    amendment, as stated in the provision in
    the Bill, is giving a time limit of one
    month but I am saying that we are
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    talking about someone in a certain

    peculiar situation and who has not been

    very committed to paying this money,

    and that is why we are spending money

    to send notice to, make a demand on the

    person. Mr Speaker, so the person is in

    a certain situation and I think that the

    fund managers should have some

    latitude to determine time, given the

    peculiar circumstances.

    Mr Speaker, it is also important,

    depending on how much is owed

    because if a student owes and is

    committed to repaying and the amount

    that is in default is about GH₵50,000, are we saying that we should legislate

    and ask the person to pay within one

    month? Mr Speaker, we would not even

    know the person's situation so the fund managers should be able to have this so

    that when they are publishing the notice,

    there would be some latitude to expand

    the time or limit it. We should not tie

    their hands in a legislation, this is my

    humble view on the matter.

    My amendment is markedly different

    from what is stated here.
    Mr Avedzi 4:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that
    5(c) is flowing from (b) because (b)
    reads:
    “Where the borrower fails to pay or make a satisfactory
    arrangement to repay the loan in
    accordance with the demand
    notice, the Board shall publish
    the name of the borrower in a
    daily newspaper of national
    circulation.”
    Mr Speaker, the “borrower” referred to here has failed to pay and has also
    failed to make the necessary
    arrangement to pay. Probably, this
    Borrower is one of those students who
    has completed school but has been
    without a job for five years. Now, we are
    saying that the name should be
    published with the amount owed and
    also demand that the borrower comes to
    pay within one month. We have to look
    at it from this angle because there must
    be a reason he failed to pay and also
    failed to make a satisfactory
    arrangement to pay. In that case, the
    administrators and the Board would
    now determine the reason for this
    borrower not paying.
    Mr Speaker, giving a time limit of
    one month, which would now be legally
    bound on the administrators to enforce,
    would be too much for this student who
    may probably be a member of the
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    unemployed graduate association.

    [Interruption] Alright, if the person was

    working before - that is not clear here - [Interruption] -

    Mr Speaker, assuming that he is

    working through Nation Builders Corps

    (NABCO) personnel and his salary is

    for instance GH₵700 a month, can he pay in a month? I think that we should

    leave it open for the administrators to

    determine and that would help.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:01 p.m.
    Hon
    Dafeamekpor, do you mind abandoning
    this amendment?
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, not
    at all and I would explain why. There is
    a presumption of regularity that a person
    has gotten a job with so much
    discretionary income and out of wilful
    stipulations and has refused to pay the
    amount that is due and owing to the
    Fund. Mr Speaker, there is this
    presumption but it can rebutted by the
    circumstances of the borrower. It could
    be that the person has just gotten a job
    and may even be on probation. In clause
    (3), it is saying that all these information
    should be obtained from the employer.
    Mr Speaker, all I am saying is that,
    yes, we want to recover the money but
    let us give the fund managers some
    discretion to make the determination of
    the timeframe within which the
    borrower should repay the outstanding
    amount. My difficulty in this matter is
    legislating the timeframe because the 30
    days period is too draconian, given the
    circumstances that the person has
    defaulted with the presumption that he
    has gotten a job so we must serve notice
    for him to pay.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:01 p.m.
    Hon
    Samuel A. Jinapor?
    Mr S. A. Jinapor 4:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    truly appreciate the compassion being
    exhibited by Hon Dafeamekpor as well
    as the concerns he has raised, but
    globally, when a welfare scheme is
    deployed through a Fund, the survival of
    the Fund rests on how much the Fund
    revolves and the rate of repayment and
    so on. We have to be mindful of this.
    Secondly, whenever the element of
    discretion is introduced, we would run
    into problems and because we would
    want to oust the element of discretion,
    that is why we would often have to
    legislate to get an Act of Parliament.
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    That is why in many aspects of our

    national and public life, discretionary

    powers are ousted through legislation

    and that is what we are trying to do with

    this.

    Thirdly, any time a sense of laxity is

    given; and people have a certain room to

    manoeuvre or the liberty to determine

    when to repay loans, then we would run

    into problems. So, I think that the period

    of one month that has been given is

    reasonable and it is a timeframe within

    which, I believe, the Fund could revolve

    in a manner that would be sustainable. I

    think that it is extremely important that

    this timeframe be maintained. Mr

    Speaker, for those of us who have had

    some association with student loans in

    this country, the biggest problem that

    the Scheme has had to deal with over the

    years, is the question of repayments.

    Anybody who has had any association

    or experience with the student loans

    scheme in this country would attest to

    the fact that the biggest challenge of the

    scheme in this country is the issue of

    repayment. So, if we have the

    opportunity to legislate and give a

    timeframe within which people would

    have to pay and we are imposing one

    month - if the one month is too short, then perhaps we can say one and a half

    month or two months, but to say that it

    should be at the discretion of the fund

    manager or administrators, I would

    respectfully disagree and insist that this

    be maintained.

    Mr Speaker, the question about

    people being employed and NABCO

    and all of that - the hope and aspiration we are all working towards is that we get

    to a point where the unemployment rate

    in our country comes down so that a

    considerable number of our population

    will be employed and will be able to

    support such funds, whether it is the

    Students Loan Trust Fund or the

    National Health Insurance Fund or

    Pensions Fund or what have you. But, at

    least, we can all be comforted that the

    unemployed graduate association of

    Ghana has been disbanded since 2017

    and that is the path that we can proceed

    from. At least, there is NABCO with a

    monthly allowance of GH₵700.00. All of it is well and good, but a discretionary

    power should not be entertained.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:11 p.m.
    Hon
    Member for South Dayi, Mr
    Dafeamekpor, the guarantor system is
    being phased out and we are going to
    give discretion to students or people to
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    decide - I do not think - So, let us maintain the original.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    in no way saying that or proposing an
    amendment that would stifle the Fund of
    sustenance. No. I am looking at the
    circumstance of the person whose
    payment has fallen into a default. In any
    case, after the 30 days, if he fails to pay,
    what happens? We are going to litigate
    that matter down there. I am saying that
    the amendment being proposed says that
    the amount due and owed should be
    deemed as a judgement debt against
    which the Fund would proceed to levy
    execution. But I am saying that no; it
    must rather go to court for a judgement.
    We cannot say that because one owes - [Interruption] - If we understand the trajectory of the scenarios, then we
    would see that I am not saying anything
    out of the ordinary. I am only saying that
    we should give latitude to the person
    whose payment has fallen into a default
    the opportunity to repay. He has not
    demonstrated noncommittal. He has
    been committed but the outstanding is
    what has fallen into a default.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:11 p.m.
    Well
    heard.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, there should be an end to
    pursuing who to pay and what to pay at
    what time. Now, the proposal from the
    Hon Member for South Dayi, Mr
    Rockson-Nelson Dafeamekpor. says
    that we should have the time within
    which to pay the amount owed. He also
    said that we should not confine
    ourselves to one month. Let us assume
    that by way of negotiation, they
    determine that it should be two months
    or three months or even six months or
    one year. What if we get to the expiry of
    that period and he is not able to redeem
    it? What happens? We certainly have to
    recover.
    Mr Speaker, the terms and conditions
    of administering the Fund would
    provide for this and those terms and
    conditions would be provided for in the
    regulations. This is the body of the Bill.
    The regulations should provide for the
    terms and conditions of administering
    the Fund. It would be part of this. So
    please, we are not there so let us leave it
    - Going into the time frame - he is saying that one month is inadequate.
    What time would be adequate because
    this time that he is proposing is also too
    open-ended. In any event -
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:11 p.m.
    That is why I am
    saying that we should not indicate time.
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    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:11 p.m.
    Are we at
    Makola? We are not at Makola School
    of Law, Mr Dafeamekpor, and you
    would not even get up and from your
    table, you speak into the microphone.
    You know it is unparliamentary.
    [Laughter.] - [Interruption] -
    Mr Dafeamekpor, you must learn to
    take jabs. This is not an upper cut, it is
    just a mere jab and you would not even
    duck. [Laughter].
    Mr Speaker, so I think that we can do
    without that amendment and make
    progress.
    Question put and amendment
    negatived.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:11 p.m.
    We
    move to (v).
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:11 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, just a minor one, which I guess
    we could leave to the draftspersons. We
    have just gone beyond that though. It is
    in respect of the (3), which provides:
    “Where the borrower fails to pay or make a satisfactory
    arrangement to repay the loan in
    accordance with the notice of
    demand, the Board shall publish
    the name of the borrower in a
    daily newspaper of national
    circulation.”
    Mr Speaker, I just want consistency
    of language. Is it the case that we are
    using “repayment of loan” or “payment of loan”?
    Mr Speaker, I think that we should be
    consistent because the first line says:
    “where the borrower fails to pay…”. Is it “fails to repay”?
    Mr Speaker, it should read 4:11 p.m.
    “… or make a satisfactory arrangement to
    repay”.
    We should be consistent. Either “pay the loan” or “repay the loan”, and I think that it should be “repay the loan” because the satisfactory arrangement
    relates to the repayment of the loan, so
    we should have a common language. To
    repay the loan or make satisfactory
    arrangement to repay. Just that.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:11 p.m.
    I think
    this is a matter of drafting so let the
    drafters take note of that.
    We now move to (v).
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 4:11 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5, paragraph (c),
    subsection (4), subparagraph (a), line 2,
    delete “should” and insert “shall”.
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    Question put and amendment agreed

    to.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:21 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5, paragraph (d),
    subsection (5), line 2, delete “execute or enforce the judgement for the recovery
    of” and insert the following: “institute legal action to recover”.

    Mr Speaker, the basis of this

    amendment, for me, is to the effect that

    even though we may have agreed that I

    owe an “x” amount of money and I have defaulted. For that to be considered as a

    judgement against the person for which

    the enactment would be prescribing

    execution to be levied against that

    person, that has to be as subject matter

    before a court of law. The court has to

    determine that, indeed, that person owes

    that amount of money, and then even

    when judgement has been entered

    against me with the applicable penal

    interest, that person has still failed to

    commit to pay same, so execution could

    follow. It should not be a matter for

    Parliament to legislate straightforward,

    that when such an amount of money - We could be litigating the amount of

    money in dispute.

    So my prescription is that we should

    leave that third leg for the Fund to take

    legal action to recover that, and there are

    consequences when that happens. I

    anchor my submission on article 125 (3)

    of our Constitution.

    Mr Speaker, with your permission, I

    beg to read:

    “The judicial power of Ghana shall be vested in the Judiciary,

    accordingly, neither the

    President nor Parliament nor any

    organ or agency of the President

    or Parliament shall have to be

    given final judicial power.”

    So, where we are intimating that we

    should execute or enforce the judgement

    for the recovery of - Judgement can only be entered by a judicial arbitral

    body; Parliament cannot ascribe the

    power of entering judgement in respect

    of liquidated sums. I know that my Hon

    Brother in whom I am well pleased - but our relationship is now strained - will support me on this matter. Time will

    heal wounds. I know my Hon Brother

    Samuel Abu Jinapor will support me in

    this matter. I think we should be careful

    on how we legislate in these matters.

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    When there is intransigence on the

    path of the borrower, let the court have

    the final say.
    Mr Samuel A. Jinapor 4:21 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, thank you very much. I really
    wish I would be in the position to
    support my Hon Friend.
    Mr Speaker, the first point I want to
    make is, in these matters, one would
    always have to contemplate the worst
    case scenario, and then also look into
    the future. Really, Mr Speaker, I think
    you intimated the point a bit, which is
    that the arrangements we are seeking to
    make would mean that the ability of the
    Fund Managers to recover the loans
    would be crucial. This is because, here,
    we are taking out the number one
    safeguard measure in respect of student
    loans, which is doing away with the
    concept of guarantors and so on. That
    would mean that when the loan is
    advanced, the ability of the Fund
    manager to recover the loan, the law we
    pass here, would have to pay particular
    attention to that; otherwise, we would
    run into a lot of difficulty.
    Mr Speaker, but on the substantive
    point - Again, I believe the Hon Deputy Majority Leader would have the
    opportunity to have a final bite on this
    matter, and we would all be guided in
    terms of the law. I know there are
    several legislations of this House, which
    though do not make it conclusive in
    terms of liability or enforcement, make
    certain occurrences tantamount to
    judgement.
    Mr Speaker, let me refer the House to
    the Alternative Dispute Resolution Act,
    2010 (ACT 798), for example, where
    the awards given by arbitral panel
    through arbitral proceedings is
    equivalent to a judgement of the High
    Court. I would also want to refer the
    House to the Chieftaincy Act 2008
    (ACT 759), where if a person submits to
    the arbitral proceedings of a chief's court, the ruling of the chief in respect
    of that matter constitutes a judgement.
    The only difference is that — I would imagine that that is why the drafters of
    this Bill used the language “execute or enforce the judgement for the
    recovery”, — even in the case of an arbitrary award, a person still has to go
    through the legal proceedings or
    processes of enforcing the arbitral
    award just as it is in this case. So, where
    in respect of paragraph (d), subsection
    (5), the non-repayment of the loan is
    construed by the Bill as a judgement.
    Nonetheless, we still have to take
    measures; we still have to go through
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    legal processes of proceedings to

    execute or enforce the judgement.

    Mr Speaker, in that language, my

    Hon Friend should note that the

    constitutional provision he quoted,

    Article 125(5) of the Constitution, is

    satisfied by this provision because it

    does not constitute final judicial

    proceedings or final judicial power.

    This is because one would still have to

    go through the courts to enforce the

    judgement. In matters of the amount,

    whether it is justified or not would be

    determined.

    Mr Speaker, in conclusion, my point

    is that, whatever arrangements we

    make, we would have to be mindful of

    the fact that the power of the Fund to

    recover loans is extremely important. I

    am grappling with Act 995 in relation to

    excavators. Where there is this

    laborious cumbersome, almost

    impracticable process for the recovery

    of excavators for their disposal. We

    should be careful not to put ourselves in

    that kind of situation where people who

    would deliberately not repay these loans

    would take the State through a laborious

    cumbersome litigation.

    Mr Speaker, this is my comment on

    this matter.
    Mr Ahiafor 4:21 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with all
    due respect, I beg to differ from the
    Minister using arbitration.
    Mr Speaker, the difference here is
    that failure to pay the debt will amount
    to an admission and it would be deemed
    to be a judgement debt. In arbitration,
    consent of the parties is required, and
    there is a hearing given to the parties.
    So, there is a procedure to avoid breach
    of natural justice. But, in this case, if we
    look at the way the law is, it means that
    if someone owes and the fact that that
    person failed to pay amounts to
    admission, it would become a
    judgement debt. A judgement debt of
    which panel when it is arbitration? Or of
    which court?
    Clearly, we should all accept the fact
    that before a person even kills an
    animal, that animal is offered water to
    drink. In this case, where lies the
    opportunity of the person who owes to
    be heard? Clearly, there is no element of
    such opportunity. There is nowhere in
    the world that an amount owed would
    naturally and automatically become a
    judgement debt without listening to the
    parties involved. This cannot stand the
    test of time, because in every matter, for
    there to be a judgement, whether it is an
    arbitration panel or a court of competent
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    jurisdiction, both parties would be

    heard. So, in this case, the consent of the

    person would not be obtained as

    required in arbitration for one to say

    that, automatically, the amount owed

    becomes a judgement debt. This cannot

    stand.

    4. 31 p.m.

    It is on this basis that I would support

    the Hon Dafeamekpor, and ask the

    House to even look at the wording of (b)

    very carefully.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:21 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    the Motion on the Floor from my
    respected Hon Colleague is inviting us
    to accept a new amendment. I followed
    the argument by the applicant, and I
    think that without doubt, on all fours, he
    has a point. However, having read the
    full rendition -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 4:21 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, hold on. The Hon First Deputy
    Speaker would relieve me, then you
    continue.

    4. 32 p.m. - [MR FIRST DEPUTY
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:21 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, proceed.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:21 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    was making a point that the view
    expressed by the applicant to this
    Motion is well grounded; however, in
    context, having read in full the clause he
    seeks to impugn, I think that we can do
    something much more elegant.
    Mr Speaker, first of all, with your
    permission, I would read in full the
    clause that he is attacking. It says:
    “The failure to pay the amount is an admission of the debt and that
    the debt shall be deemed to be a
    judgement debt for the amount
    in addition to the cost of five per
    cent entered by a Circuit Court
    against the borrower.”
    So, my understanding is that for us to
    move to the (d), the Board would have
    to, with the benefit of all the
    documentation, go to the Court to make
    an entry. So, it is the Circuit Court that
    would make that entry, but that is not
    final. The point is that, contrary to the
    constitutional provision he read, which
    argument sought to create the
    impression that the Court's jurisdiction is being ousted by this provision and
    that we are trying to create a finality,
    that provision talks about final judicial
    powers. This is not a finality, but if we
    carefully read it, it still gives that
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    judicial power to the Judiciary as its

    core raison d'être. Nothing is being

    taken away from the Judiciary, but we

    may also have to pay attention to the fact

    that a defendant, for want of a better

    word or a beneficiary, who a judgement

    debt is being executed against would

    have the right to appeal. So, that

    argument of his, to the effect that the

    person may disagree with the amount,

    can still be catered for. However, if the

    Hon Member thinks that we should not

    use the word “judgement”, but we should rather find something to replace

    that word, then we can look at. But even

    so, since the matter would go before a

    Circuit Court and the Circuit Court

    Judge would make the necessary entry - [Interruption] -

    A Circuit Court Judge, upon

    receiving the document, would not say

    that by necessary implication of this

    enactment he would just go and enter

    judgement. A judge that sits as a judge

    of equity would look at the necessary

    documentation. He would look at when

    the person took the facility and check to

    see whether there is evidence of non-

    payment. I believe that the judge would

    have the opportunity to validate the

    records. In all of these, perhaps, we may

    also have to add that the defendant or the

    beneficiary must be on notice. It should

    not be an ex parte. So, let us look at that

    one because I am unable to recline to

    that position by him. If it is going to be

    on notice, then it would be sufficient

    because then when the Circuit Court

    Judge receives the document, the

    affected party would have the

    opportunity to be heard. So, I think that

    we may have to propose an amendment

    more elegant, which would address the

    question of whether or not a person in

    this situation must be heard in

    accordance with the rule of law, then we

    can put in that it must be on notice. Once

    it is on notice, the affected party would

    have no worry at all, and then the judge

    would have the opportunity to hear from

    him before he enters final judgement.

    Mr Speaker, having said all of these,

    it is my conclusion that - [Pause] - Mr Speaker, the respected legislator, the

    Hon Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu, the

    Majority Leader of the House, has his

    own way of intimidating a person, and

    has his own way of getting the person to

    agree to his view. However, I would

    agree with him in another way. He made

    a point, off-records to me that there

    would have been a demand notice, but I

    would respectfully contend that that

    demand notice would be the first step. It

    is the failure that would lead to the final

    entry, but I am saying that when the

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    documents are going to the Circuit

    Court, it should not be ex parte. That

    would address the concerns of my

    respected Hon Colleague, who is taking

    advantage of the Lent for reconciliation.

    But he has to come properly because we

    have the benefit of Lent.

    Mr Speaker, I shall conclude by

    saying that he must abandon the

    proposed amendment and introduce an

    amendment which would have an

    express provision that requires notice to

    be served on the beneficiary, the

    affected party or the judgement debtor

    in the said entry. I so submit.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:21 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, please, let me be guided. I see
    that all the proposed amendments are in
    relation to clause 26 (5) of Act 820. Has
    anything been done to clause 26(4)
    already?
    Very well.
    Yes, Hon available Minority Leader?
    Mr Ahiafor 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with all
    due respect, we can all look at the
    language of (b) very carefully. It is in
    two folds: “that the failure to pay the amount is an admission of the debt, and
    the debt shall be deemed to be a
    judgement for the amount…” That is the first leg. The second leg says: “…In
    addition to the cost of five per cent
    entered by a Circuit Court against the
    borrower”. The first issue that we are arguing here is that how can failure to
    pay a debt be deemed to be a judgement
    debt?

    It means that at the point of that

    failure to pay being deemed to be a

    judgement debt, it would definitely be in

    breach of natural justice because no

    opportunity would have been given to

    the debtor to be heard before saying that

    the debt is deemed to be a judgement

    debt.

    Mr Speaker, we all know the

    procedure in obtaining judgement. You

    either obtain it from a court of

    competent jurisdiction or a quasi-

    judicial body. One of the key elements

    before getting to the judgement table is

    giving hearing to those parties. Thus,

    where a debt is deemed to be a

    judgement debt, it means that there

    would not be any hearing to the parties.

    If we make the law this way, it would be

    in breach of natural justice.

    The further provision says:

    “The Board shall, without any further recourse to the borrower,

    proceed to execute or enforce

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    the judgement for the recovery

    of the loan or any balance

    outstanding in an appropriate

    manner.”

    Mr Speaker, even in a court of

    competent jurisdiction, if you obtain

    judgement from the Supreme Court, you

    are enjoined to serve entry of judgement

    on the person before you can resort to

    the execution or enforcement of that

    particular judgement. Justice emanates

    from the people of Ghana, and it is

    administered by the Judiciary. If that is

    the judicial process, how can Parliament

    enact this provision? Mr Speaker, that is

    what we are talking about.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:41 p.m.
    I wonder
    how you would enforce it. Would you
    use the court system? If it is intended to
    use the court system, how would a
    judgement deemed from a notice enter
    the court system to be enforced? That is
    what we should consider. Let me listen
    to the proposal and come back to you.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    listened carefully to my Senior, the Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader. That is why
    my earlier amendment, which was
    defeated, sought to get clause (4)(b)
    completely taken out because the
    impression being created is that - In fact, they consider that deeming that the
    amount due and owed which has fallen
    into a default as a judgement of a circuit
    court, not even a magistrate court.
    We know the courts have
    jurisdictional matters in terms of
    liquidated claims. Now, the jurisdiction
    of a magistrate court has been extended
    to GH₵500,000. The matter we speak of is serious, that somebody who owes part
    of a student loan he took in the course of
    his tertiary education and portion has
    fallen into a default is so huge that it
    would be deemed to be a judgement
    entered against him at the circuit level.
    We know that an admission is an order
    23 matter - C.I. 47. So, even we would proceed against the matter in a court of
    law, he ought to have come to court
    under order 23 to admit that he owes the
    pleads against me, so I pray that I be
    given time to pay.
    Again, we say that they would enter
    the judgement against him. These are
    very serious civil procedural matters.
    That is why the Hon Leader ought to
    have adverted his mind to the next
    provision, which I am actually
    attacking, where the Board is being
    asked not to have any recourse to the
    borrower; they ought not deem that to be
    a judgement. They now have the power
    to proceed to a court of law and obtain
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    judgement so that you can recover the

    amount due. That is why I do not have a

    qualm with the five per cent penal and

    interest being applied in the provision

    immediately above this because it

    appears you are intransigent. You have

    taken the money and you do not want to

    pay it. They have given you all

    opportunities, but you do not want to

    pay.

    I see the hesitancy, but these are real

    situations. Mr Speaker, you could be in

    your vehicle on the highway and they

    are levying execution; they are

    enforcing it. They will stop you and take

    your car. It can really be a subject of

    abuse, so we ought to be careful there.

    That is why my proposed amendment

    should be carried.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    am enjoying the argument, but there are
    certain things that must be clear. The
    court would determine the judgement
    debt.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:41 p.m.
    Where
    in the provisions?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    permit me to proceed to read clause
    (4)(b) aloud. “that the failure to pay the amount is an admission of the debt …”
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if I
    may clarify. The amendment is in
    respect of clause 5(d), but the argument
    flows from clause 5(c).
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    clause (4)(b) says:
    “that the failure to pay the amount is an admission of the
    debt and that the debt shall be
    deemed to be a judgement for
    the amount in addition to cost of
    five per cent entered by a Circuit
    Court against the borrower.”
    Mr Speaker, clearly, this provision
    does not talk about the Board on its own
    assuming judgement debt. Let us
    understand that we are starting from
    somewhere, where one has been served
    a demand notice failing which the Board
    would now proceed with all the
    evidence - [Interruption]. Wait, do not let us forget the rule in strict liability.
    We have strict liability provisions in our
    laws where the burden shifts. What this
    provision simply says is that when a
    demand notice has been served on a
    person, and he has failed to redeem it,
    that becomes a debt he owes fully and
    final. However, Mr Speaker -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:41 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, in a strict liability situation,
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    that would become a presumption that

    you owe, and unless you prove

    otherwise, judgement would be held

    against you.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:41 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    that is correct.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:41 p.m.
    An
    action would have been instituted. What
    is missing in this -
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    the difference here is that, on this
    occasion, the whole proceedings
    emanate as administrative. Now, the
    Board would not proceed to make that
    pronouncement except to take it to the
    Circuit Court. Mr Speaker, the final
    determination of the matter would be
    made by the court. That is why, in my
    earlier submission, I said that what is
    not clear in 5(d) is whether or not the
    affected party would be on notice. For
    that one, I concede that there is no
    clarity as to whether the affected party
    would be on notice. Perhaps, we may
    have to look at provision in clause 5(b)
    to say that whatever proceedings made
    at the Circuit Court would be on notice.
    Once the affected party is on notice,
    then, he would be able to make a case
    that the document that has been
    submitted to the court for same to be
    entered as a judgement there, is
    problematic, and that I disagree with the
    figures.

    Secondly, because he is on notice

    that this has been entered against him,

    he would now know what to do if it gets

    to execution.

    In any event, if it is on notice that

    such records are being sent to the Court

    for the Court to make an entry of

    judgement against him, he would be

    able to engage a lawyer if he disagrees

    with whatever was served on him earlier

    as a demand notice. So, I think that we

    should rather make an express provision

    in subclause (b) for the proceedings at

    the Circuit Court to be on notice. Mr

    Speaker, in fact—
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    In the
    meantime, where is the law providing
    for the proceedings in the Circuit Court?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    subclause (b) says so. If you look at
    subclause (b)—
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Well, let
    us read subclause (b).
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    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    am reading the subclause (b) again:
    “The failure to pay the amount is an admission of the debt. And
    the debt shall be deemed to be a
    judgement for the amount in
    addition to the cost of five per
    cent entered by a Circuit Court
    against the borrower”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    So,
    when did we start the proceedings?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    the proceedings commence at the very
    point where such records are entered in
    the records of the Circuit Court. Mr
    Speaker, it is not for nothing that we are
    saying that when the final demand
    notice is served on you and you fail, the
    matter would go to Court. Perhaps, you
    may have to—
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Where
    does it say it will go to Court?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if
    you read that provision clearly, one
    thing which is obvious— before we even go to the subclause (4)(b), let us
    deal with clause 5 (b)(iii):
    “(b) Where the borrower fails to repay or make a satisfactory
    arrangement to repay the loan in
    accordance with the notice of
    demand, the Board shall publish
    the name of the borrower in a
    daily newspaper of national
    circulation.
    (c) The publication shall
    state the amount owed, and that
    shall be paid within one month
    of publication.”
    Then, the next leg is the fact that such
    records of your liability would now
    have to go to Court. Mr Speaker,
    perhaps, you may have to draft the
    subclause (b) well for clarity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Can we
    save time? It is obvious that we want the
    procedure to follow a certain path that
    after the publication, we would go to
    Court. But at the Court, we do not have
    to prove anything. So, that is why I
    see—
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    then, let the draftspersons clarify that to
    ensure clarity.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    That is
    why I am saying the amendment
    proposed here covers everything. So, I
    think that the amendment is legitimate.
    Let us save time.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with respect, his amendment has to do
    with the subclause (d)(v) so, I think that
    if we tidy up the subclause (b) as you are
    saying, and there is clarity of notice,
    then, there would be no need to touch
    the subclause (d)(v). So, I agree with
    you that the draftspersons must ensure
    clarity on the subclause (b) so that we
    can make progress.
    I thank you.
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Yes,
    birthday girl, how was the birthday
    yesterday?
    Mrs Ofosu-Adjare 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in
    addition to that, I think the (b) should
    state by what means you would go to
    Court because you cannot just go to
    Court with these processes, it has to
    emanate from a writ. So, I do not see
    how the (b) is even helping the Trust to
    do anything. If you serve notice that
    somebody should pay money and the
    person does not pay, you cannot go to
    Court by any process or letter unless you
    institute a proper legal process of
    issuing a writ. Anything short of that
    would not suffice, so that should be
    incorporated properly.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    we do not only go to Court through a
    writ.
    Mrs Ofosu-Adjare 4:51 a.m.
    No, for the
    purposes of liquidated demands, you
    must issue a writ.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:51 a.m.
    Not
    necessarily, I beg to disagree with my
    Hon Colleague.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    It is al
    right; the draftspersons advise that we
    should defer that; they would tidy it up.
    We can proceed. I propose to defer
    consideration of the item numbered (vi).
    Is that acceptable? That is where the
    proposed amendment is, is that right?
    The item numbered (vii)?
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    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, Paragraph (e), subsection
    (6), delete and insert the following:
    “Subject to any other relevant laws, the Board in the execution
    of a court judgement obtained
    against a borrower, may attach
    the contributions of the
    borrower made to any scheme
    under the National Pensions Act,
    2008 (Act 776) or any pension
    scheme operated and managed
    by any institution in the
    country.”
    Mr Speaker, the basis for this
    proposed amendment which is quite
    different from the one carried in the Bill,
    is to the effect that in the amendment
    proposed in the Bill, the role of the
    Court is missing. So, I seek to introduce
    the role of the Court in this one. And to
    also suggest that once that is done, then,
    they can attach, by way of levying,
    contributions from other schemes of the
    judgement debtors properly so called in
    this matter.
    Then, also, I think I proposed an
    amendment in respect of the opening
    phrase - subject to any relevant laws - what is being proposed by the
    proponents of the Bill is, ‘Despite any law to the contrary'. That is where the differences are.
    I thank you for the opportunity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Why do
    you want it to be ‘subject to…', and not ‘despite of…'?
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, this
    is because we have a substantive law on
    matters of this nature - Borrowers and Lenders Act, which is in effect. So, if
    there are any relevant provisions in that
    Act, that would affect the processes at
    this stage of recovery, they would
    become applicable.
    Mr Ahiafor 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree
    with him but I have a proposal that we
    equally defer this one too because
    consequent upon the drafting language
    in the previous one, this one too can be
    tidied up.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Very
    well, I would have thought that you
    want the recovery of this loan to be a
    priority. So, if you say ‘subject to any other law', then, rather than making it a priority, you are subjecting it to other
    laws. The language, as it is now, in my
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    view, may be better. ‘In spite of any other law, this law should have—
    Mr Ahiafor 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, my
    suggestion is premised on the fact that
    there are already laws as to how
    execution should be levied; movables
    before immovable. So, those guidelines
    are also there which would go a long
    way to guide the draftspersons in
    coming out with the appropriate
    rendition.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Very
    well. Do you agree to your proposed
    amendment being —
    Mr Dafeamekpor 4:51 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes.
    Particularly, if you look at Order 45 of
    C.I. 47 because we are saying this would
    be a judgement delivered at Circuit
    Court, it is C. I. 47 that is applicable. So,
    the procedure in levying execution
    when you obtain judgment against a
    judgment debtor would become
    applicable. So, those procedures would
    have to be followed in order to levy
    execution.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:51 a.m.
    Very
    well, I agree to that. I will defer the
    consideration of the item numbered
    (vii).
    I will proceed to the item numbered
    (viii), which is also in the name of the
    Hon Member for South Dayi.
    Mr Dafeamekpor 5:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, clause 5, paragraph (g),
    subsection (7), delete and insert the
    following:
    “The Board may, pursuant to a court order,
    request any scheme
    established under the
    National Pensions Act,
    2008 (Act 776) or any
    pension scheme operated
    and managed by any
    institution in the country
    to provide information
    on any contribution
    made by a borrower to
    that scheme and the
    contributions shall be
    attached for the
    repayment of a loan
    under this Act.”
    Mr Speaker, the basis for this
    amendment which is quite different
    from what is being proposed is that to
    ask another institution to provide
    information on a borrower, that is a third
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    party, you ought to do so pursuant to a

    court order because the borrower would

    have been a subject - [Interruption] Very well. So, consequentially, I would

    leave that and pray that you defer it to

    the draftspersons to tidy it up.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Very
    well. The draftspersons would take note
    of this one also, for redrafting.
    Item numbered 34(ix), by the
    Chairman of the Committee?
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 5:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, new clause, add the
    following clause after clause 6:
    “Liabilities and recoveries
    (1) The liabilities of
    a guarantor under a loan
    contracted before the
    coming into force of this
    Act shall continue to
    remain in force until the
    loan is repaid in full.
    (2) The procedure
    for the recovery of a loan
    contracted before the
    coming into force of this
    Act shall continue to
    remain in force until the
    loan is repaid in full.” -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, hold on. I think that before
    we get to the new clause, let us deal with
    subclause 6.
    Subclause 6 ordered to stand part of
    the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, now you may continue with
    the new clause.
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 5:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, new clause, add the
    following clause after clause 6:
    “Liabilities and recoveries
    (1) The liabilities of
    a guarantor under a loan
    contracted before the coming
    into force of this Act shall
    continue to remain in force
    until the loan is repaid in full.
    (2) The procedure
    for the recovery of a loan
    contracted before the coming
    into force of this Act shall
    continue to remain in force
    until the loan is repaid in
    full.”
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Students Loan Trust Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2021
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Shall we
    do the long title now? Chairman of the
    Committee?
    Mr K. A. Asiamah 5:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    beg to move, Long Title, lines 1 and 2,
    delete “repeal section 19 of Act 820 to”.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Long title as amended ordered to
    stand part of the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    We shall
    defer consideration until we conclude
    with the - So, that brings us to the end of consideration for today.
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader, your
    guidance please.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 5:01 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, if we can deal with item listed
    as 8.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Item
    numbered 8, Presentation of Papers.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 5:01 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, if I may seek the indulgence of
    the House to allow the Deputy Minister
    for Finance to present the Papers listed
    as items 8 (a) (i), (ii) and (iii)?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Very
    well. Yes, available leader, do you have
    any objection to the Hon Deputy
    Minister presenting on behalf of the
    Minister?
    Dr Pelpuo 5:01 p.m.
    No, Mr Speaker; I think
    that it is in order.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Very
    well. Item numbered 8 (a) (i), (ii) and
    (iii)?
    PAPERS 5:01 p.m.

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Yes,
    what next?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 5:01 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, can we do item numbered 8 (b)
    and because it is a related facility, allow
    the Deputy Minister for Finance to
    present the Paper on behalf of the
    Minister for Food and Agriculture.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Very
    well. Item numbered 8(b)?
    By the Deputy Minister for Finance
    (Mr John Ampontua Kumah) (on behalf
    of the Minister for Food and
    Agriculture) -
    Contract Agreement between
    the Government of the Republic
    of Ghana (represented by the
    Ministry of Food and
    Agriculture) and the Action
    Construction Equipment
    Limited of India for an amount
    of twenty-four million, nine
    hundred and eighty-four
    thousand, four hundred and ten
    United States dollars
    (US$24,984,410.00) to finance
    Papers

    the implementation of the

    Establishment of Assembly

    Plant for Tractors, Backhoe

    Loaders and Fabrication of

    Agriculture Implements in

    Ghana.

    Referred to the Committee on Food,

    Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 5:01 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    nothing now remains and we are
    entirely in your hands.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 5:01 p.m.
    Very
    well. Hon Members, I proceed to
    adjourn the House.
    ADJOURNMENT 5:01 p.m.