Debates of 10 Mar 2022

MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 11:09 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
Hon
Members, we will begin with the
correction of the Votes and Proceedings
of Wednesday, 9th March, 2022.
  • [No correction was made to the Votes and Proceedings of Wednesday, 9th March, 2022]
  • Mr Vincent Ekow Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I refer to column 14, paragraph
    2, “Mrs Dela Sowah (Kpando): Mr Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister
    for Communication and Digitalisation
    when the following communities …”. The preposition “in” has been omitted.
    Again, “would be provided …” - “with” is also missing.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, hold on. Did you say column
    14?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    You are
    not reading that. Start with “Mr Second
    Deputy Speaker”.
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    “Mrs Dela Sowah
    (Kpando): Mr Speaker…”
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    In my
    column 14, there is no “Mrs Dela
    Sowah”. Kindly look at the date.
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I mean the
    Official Report.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    Yes, the
    Official Report of 18th February, 2022.
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the date is
    15th February, 2022.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    Column
    14?
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    Mine
    starts with, “Mr Second Deputy Speaker: I am very grateful. Hon Members, on this
    note, we would move to item numbered 6
    on the Order Paper.”
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if you
    check column 14 -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    Look at the
    date again.
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, 15th
    February, 2022.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    We are
    considering 18th February, 2022.
    Mr Assafuah 11:09 a.m.
    Sorry about that, Mr
    Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    What you
    are holding was corrected yesterday or
    the day before yesterday.

    I am getting the advice that Hon

    Members may not have copies of the

    Official Report of 18th February. Is that

    the case?
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    think that is the case. We do not have the
    one you are referring to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    18th
    February? Is what you have 15th
    February?
    I see. Very well.
    Any corrections?
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Friday, 18th February, 2022]
  • Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, for
    the Urgent Questions, the Hon Minister
    for Foreign Affairs and Regional
    Integration is unavoidably absent because
    she is engaged in matters of foreign
    affairs.
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minority Leader?
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    unavoidably absent or is he supporting
    the President in Dubai at the Dubai Expo
    2022? Is that the explanation the Hon
    Member has? We are aware that the
    President is in Dubai seeking to promote
    and attract direct foreign investments, and
    VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:19 a.m.

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    So, she is
    avoidably absent.
    Very well. I do not even know whether
    the Question itself has not been
    overreached because the information that
    is sought for in the Question is in the
    public domain. So, technically, it is no
    longer a Question to be asked.
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, that
    is so. So, with your leave, could we start
    with the Question numbered 243? The
    Hon Minister for Fisheries and
    Aquaculture Development is available.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Very well.
    We will move on to the item numbered 6,
    and start with the Hon Minister for
    Fisheries and Aquaculture Development.
    Hon Minister, kindly take your seat.
    Hon Members, Question numbered
    243 in the name of the Hon Member for
    Tema East, Mr Isaac Ashai Odamtten.
    ORAL ANSWERS TO 11:19 a.m.

    QUESTIONS 11:19 a.m.

    MINISTRY OF FISHERIES AND 11:19 a.m.

    AQUACULTURE DEVELOPMENT 11:19 a.m.

    VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:19 a.m.

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, any follow-up Question, please?
    Mr Odamtten 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if the
    closed season is a Government policy for fish conservation - the licences are not for vessel ownership, but to fish - Why should the trawlers be made to pay for the closed season when they are not fishing?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, you have repeated the same question. The Minister has given the Answer. Kindly ask another one, please.
    Mr Odamtten 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the
    Answer of the Minister, she said, with your indulgence, I beg to read:
    “Therefore, if a vessel needs to fish in a third party state, the licence fee must be paid to obtain the licence.”
    Mr Speaker, what if the vessel is to
    fish within the territorial waters of
    Ghana?
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Answer read:
    “If the closed season falls within a particular quarter, the vessel is by
    law required to possess a licence
    for that quarter.”
    There are three months in a quarter,
    and so if the vessel needs a licence to
    operate in that quarter and the closed
    season is within that quarter, whether it is
    two months or one month, the vessel must
    pay. What about the one month? It is
    backed by law. Unless we want to repeal
    the law, then we would have to bring it
    back to Parliament. But for now, that is
    what the law requires, and we cannot do
    otherwise.
    Mr Odamtten 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is a fact
    that Ghana's fishing licence appears to be
    the highest globally. Following from the
    Minister's Answer, the law requires the
    licence to be renewed annually, bi-
    annually, or quarterly. The Hon Minister
    emphatically stated that licences are paid
    quarterly, but the reality is that they pay it
    annually. So, it is a bigger burden on the
    fishing industry in Ghana.
    Oral Answers to Questions
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Sorry,
    Hon Member, I want to understand. Is it
    that if a person applies for a quarterly
    licence, it would not be issued to the
    person? Are they compulsorily
    implementing only annual licenses?
    Mr Odamtten 11:19 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Minister, can you explain why
    you compulsorily enforce or sell only
    annual licences?
    The Hon Member said that from your
    Answer, licences are available for
    annually, half-yearly, and quarterly, but
    in practice only annual licences are
    issued.
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, to the
    best of my knowledge, the licences are
    issued quarterly, not annually. The Act
    says annually, quarterly, or semi-
    annually. But then, the practice is that
    they have been paying quarterly. That is
    the licence I have been issuing since I
    assumed Office; I have been issuing only
    quarterly licences.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, are you done?
    Mr Odamtten 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the issue
    of the quarterly payment justifies my
    Question, that if a quarter has three
    months and the season is closed for two
    months, it is absolutely unrealistic and
    unfair to charge tonnage for the three
    months.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, I think the Hon Minister has
    answered that question. You may sponsor
    an amendment to the Act if you so desire.
    11. 29 a.m.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member?
    Mr Odamtten 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have a
    follow-up question to the Minister.
    The quarter is three months, and the
    closed season is two months. So
    effectively, the fishers have just one
    month. Would the Hon Minister consider
    a policy that may bring an amendment to
    ease the burden on the industrial
    operators in fishing industry?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, do you intend to propose an
    amendment to that part of the law?
    Oral Answers to Questions
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I
    mentioned early on, we would need to
    add a new Act to this because this is
    backed by law. We should also remember
    that the Government is also burdened by
    giving relief items to these fishers when
    there is closed season. So, if the vessel
    owner is to pay for three months, and at
    the same time be given a subsidy by
    Government, I am not sure that the person
    would lose more than the Government.
    To the best of my knowledge, unless
    maybe it is brought to Parliament for the
    Act to be amended - but for now, that is the Act -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, do you want to bring an
    amendment to the House?
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    No, Mr Speaker.
    Deputy Minority Leader (Mr James
    Klutse Avedzi): Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister does not intend to bring an
    amendment, but she also justified the
    current situation by the subsidy that they
    enjoy. What is the parity between that and
    the payments they make for the licence
    for the three months, which is the quarter,
    yet they have only one month of activity?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, do you know how much you
    spend and how much it costs them? Do
    you have any such comparison?
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    have that readily, so I would come back.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, we would move on to
    the Question numbered 245, which stands
    in the name of the Hon Member for
    Salaga South, Ms Zuwera Mohammed
    Ibrahimah.
    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey 11:19 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I have her leave to ask the
    Question on her behalf. So, with your
    leave, if I may proceed?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Very well.
    Please proceed.
    Plans to Establish Landing Beaches
    in Certain Communities in the Salaga
    South Constituency
    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey
    (NDC - Keta on behalf of (Ms Zuwera Mohammed Ibrahimah): Mr Speaker, I
    beg to ask the Minister for Fisheries and
    Aquaculture Development what the
    Ministry's plans are to establish landing beaches at Kpogede, Devaglo,
    Sabongida, Awunalkope and Sokpe, all in
    the Salaga South Constituency.
    Oral Answers to Questions
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Ministry has no immediate plans of
    establishing new landing beaches at
    Kpogede, Devaglo, Sabongida,
    Awunalkope, and Sokpe in the Salaga
    South Constituency because they all have
    access to premix fuel which is available
    at nearby landing beaches. The number of
    Landing Beach Committees (LBCs) for
    every district or Municipality is based on
    weekly demand and the level of fishing-
    based activity of the district. This was
    done to curtail diversion. However,
    management is open to discussions
    leading to the creation of landing beaches
    where there is a genuine need.
    Mr Gakpey 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Minister
    mentioned in her Answer that there would
    be no immediate provision. Is there any
    provision in the future?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    The Hon
    Minister also added that they are open to
    discussion of the same matter in the
    future.
    Mr Gakpey 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, she said that
    the Ministry has no immediate provision.
    Looking at the communities, they are
    many, so my question to her is to know
    whether there would be any provision in
    the future.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, you said there is no immediate
    plans, but are there future plans?
    Mrs Koomson 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is
    why I said that the Ministry is open for
    any discussions on plans to open or not.
    Mr Gakpey 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is all
    right.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, the next Question is the
    Question numbered 417, which stands in
    the name of the Hon Member for Wa
    East, Mr Godfred Seidu Jasaw.
    Mr Murtala Muhammed Ibrahim 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise on Standing Order 48,
    and with your permission, I beg to read:
    “The Presence of at least one- third of all the Members of
    Parliament besides the person
    presiding shall be necessary to
    constitute a quorum of the
    House.”
    Mr Speaker, we do not have a quorum;
    therefore, it would be illegal if we
    continue to conduct Business in this
    House with this number.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    I would
    want to hear from the Leadership on his
    intervention.
    Oral Answers to Questions
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    when we started, I think that the Hon
    Member was not here. He just joined us - [Interruption] -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    The Hon
    Member is still entitled to raise the issue.
    Do you have a response to that?
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    had formed a quorum when he was not
    here.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    Yes,
    Minority Leadership, I would want to
    listen to you. Do you wish to comment on
    the application?
    Very well. It does not appear to me
    that the Minority Leadership wish to say
    anything with respect to that.
    Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak
    Muntaka - rose -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    I gave the
    option on three occasions, and none of
    you was responding to it.
    Very well. Now let me hear you.
    Alhaji Muntaka 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    rule says that the bell would be rung for
    ten minutes, and after that, we would be
    at your mercy. So, as far as I am
    concerned, we can carry on with Business
    while we wait for the ten minutes of your
    time.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Member for Tamale Central,
    when you read Standing Order 48, as you
    did, it has two sub-orders. There is sub-
    clause one and two. Sub-clause one talks
    about a number to be present to form a
    quorum, and the two also determine what
    is to be done when the number is not up
    to the number required to form a quorum.
    So, I intend to rely on Standing Order 48
    (2), which says that at the point I cause
    the bell to be rung, if after ten minutes we
    still do not have a sufficient number to
    form a quorum, I may decide to adjourn
    proceedings. So, I direct the Table Office
    to ensure that the bell is rung and I would
    count from that time.
    Hon Members, let us proceed. Hon
    Member for Wa East, you may ask your
    Question.

    Legal Basis of GITA/MOFAD

    Bank Account
    Dr Godfred Seidu Jasaw (NDC - Wa East) 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to ask the
    Minister for Fisheries and Aquaculture
    Development the legal basis for the
    Oral Answers to Questions

    operation of the GITA/MOFAD bank

    account at the First Atlantic Bank and

    who the signatories are.

    Mr Speaker, may I give this caveat

    that this Question was asked -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, you are only entitled to ask the
    Question, and you have asked it. Can you
    resume your seat? She will answer.
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in 2013,
    Ghana agreed to implement the Observer
    Programme to help monitor vessels at
    sea. As a result of inadequate staff to
    cover the seventy (70) vessels at the time,
    the Ministry decided that the vessels
    should go to sea on a rotational basis,
    which was communicated to owners of
    industrial trawlers. The Ghana Industrial
    Trawlers Association (GITA), after a
    meeting, informed the Ministry that it
    was willing to pay for the emoluments of
    the observers only if the Ministry,
    through the Fisheries Commission, would
    recruit and train adequate observers to
    cover each vessel. GITA therefore,
    established the account to support the
    payment of the observers and made the
    Fisheries Commission a signatory to the
    account. There are two (2) signatories to
    the account: one (1) each from the
    association and the Fisheries
    Commission. The Commission reviewed
    this arrangement, and now pays the
    observers from its budgetary resources.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Any
    follow-up question?
    Dr Jasaw 11:39 a.m.
    May I know from the Hon
    Minister if we have any Auditor-
    General's report on this account?
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not
    aware of any such report.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, is that a public fund?
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is a
    private fund, not a public one. The
    Ministry has now taken up to pay the
    observers so, subsequently, the funds
    would be audited. For the previous one, it
    was a private arrangement.
    Dr Jasaw 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, section 100 of
    the Fisheries Act, Act 628, outlines how
    the observers are to be recruited and the
    fact that they should be public officers.
    Would the Hon Minister admit that, by
    this arrangement, the Ministry engaged in
    an illegality?
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    No, Mr Speaker.
    Dr Jasaw 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, by the
    arrangement the Hon Minister outlined, it
    means that the observers pay to observe
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    the trawlers. In other words, the owners

    of the trawlers pay observers to obverse

    them. Once the Hon Minister said the

    observers are now paid from the Ministry,

    has that bank account been closed?
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I cannot
    say much about the account because it
    was GITA that opened it as I stated in my
    Answer. As we speak, I do not know
    much about the account.
    Mrs Angela Oforiwa Alorwu-Tay 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, from the Hon Minister's response, she cannot tell the House about
    who the authority to the account is. May
    I know if she can provide that information
    later to the House? Just by some kind of
    information, can she tell this House
    whether she is a signatory to the account?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, are you a signatory to the
    account?
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in my
    Answer, I mentioned that it is the
    association and the Fisheries
    Commission that are signatories; I am not
    a signatory.
    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey 11:39 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, from the Answer the Hon
    Minister provided, she stipulated that the
    Fisheries Commission, which is under
    her Ministry, is a signatory to the account.
    Can she confirm that? If so, can we get
    the officials who are signatories to the
    account?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, file your own Question; this is
    not a follow-up question.
    Mr Odamtten 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, from the
    Minister's Answer, GITA has been
    involved in the payment of emoluments
    to observers. Two things come to the fore:
    the number of days the vessels stay
    offshore, and the issue of compromising
    observers on the vessels. If the people
    who are supposed to be controlled are the
    same ones who recruit and pay, then we
    have lost the essence of supervision or
    oversight for the Ministry.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, file your own Question, and she
    will prepare and come and answer you.
    We will proceed to the Question
    numbered 418 which stands in the name
    of the Hon Member for Adaklu, Hon
    Kwame Governs Agbodza.
    Oral Answers to Questions

    Steps to Stop Foreign-owned

    Vessels from Illegally Fishing in

    Ghanaian Waters

    Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza (NDC

    - Adaklu): Mr Speaker, I rise to ask the Minister for Fisheries and Aquaculture

    Development what steps the Ministry is

    taking to stop foreign-owned vessels

    from illegally fishing in Ghanaian waters.
    Mrs Koomson 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the only
    foreign-flagged vessels that fish in Ghana
    are those who come through an access
    arrangement in accordance with the
    fisheries law. It is only the tuna sub-sector
    that allows for joint-ventures between
    Ghanaians and foreigners. As part of
    efforts to combat illegal fishing, the
    Ministry has deployed Vessel Monitoring
    System (VMS) and Automatic
    Identification System (AIS) to detect in
    real time, vessels that engage in illegal
    fishing activities, especially vessels
    without licence to fish in Ghanaian
    waters.
    Mr Agbodza 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, on 3rd
    June, 2021, B&FT reports and I quote:
    “EU warns Ghana against illegal fishing”.
    On 17th September, 2021, Ghana
    Business News also wrote and I quote:
    “How illegal fishing is destroying Ghanaian fishery
    sector”.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to find out
    from the Hon Minister if the Ministry and
    the Agencies related in the monitoring of
    illegal fishing have arrested and
    prosecuted any foreign vessel for the past
    two years?
    Mrs Koomson 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, vessels
    with infractions have been prosecuted;
    some have made payments and some are
    still with the courts.
    Mr Agbodza 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, with your
    permission, I beg to quote what the Hon
    Minister said in her Answer that 11:49 a.m.
    “As part of efforts to combat illegal fishing, the Ministry has
    deployed Vessel Monitoring
    System (VMS) and Automatic
    Identification System (AIS) to
    detect in real time vessels that are
    engaged in illegal fishing…”
    Oral Answers to Questions

    Mr Speaker, I would want to ask the

    Hon Minister if her outfit does the

    monitoring or they rely on the Ghana

    Maritime Authority or on any other State

    Agency?
    Mrs Koomson 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Ministry has an Agency that is
    responsible for the monitoring. We also
    do the VMS in collaboration with the
    Fisheries Committee for the West Central
    Gulf of Guinea (FCWC) in our region. It
    is not only Ghana that does the
    monitoring but it is the whole of the sub-
    region.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:49 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, Order!
    Mr Agbodza 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the same
    report says that 90 per cent - the Hon Minister is engaged with -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:49 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister, please, we want your attention.
    Mr Agbodza 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the same
    report indicated that, which with your
    permission, I beg to quote:
    “90 per cent of trawlers who illegally fish in our waters are
    Chinese owned with Ghanaian
    front companies”.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to know if
    the Hon Minister is aware that some
    unpatriotic Ghanaians have fronted for
    licenses and hived them to Chinese
    companies to overfish in our waters?
    Mrs Koomson 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, vessel
    owners who have obtained licence from the Ministry are Ghanaians. I do not know of any foreigners or Ghanaians who have fronted for them.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:49 a.m.
    Question
    number 419 which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Keta, Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:49 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, Order!
    Role Played by the Ministry towards Cross-Border Collaboration
    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey
    (NDC - Keta): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Minister for Fisheries and Aquaculture Development what role the Ministry is playing towards cross-border collaboration to ensure the enforcement and adherence to the closed season for fishing at sea.
    Oral Answers to Questions
    Mrs Koomson 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, fish is
    trans-boundary, therefore managing
    fisheries requires a cross-border
    approach. The Ministry has relied on
    International and Regional Fisheries
    Management Organisations such as the
    Fisheries Committee of the West Central
    Gulf of Guinea (FCWC) to address these
    cross-border challenges. The FCWC is a
    regional body that consists of Liberia, La
    Cote d' Ivoire, Togo, Benin, Ghana and Nigeria. Discussions are underway with
    member states of FCWC to ensure a joint
    Closed Fishing Season in the near future.
    Thank you.
    Mr Gakpey 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the Hon
    Minister's Answer she said that plans are underway to have joint meeting so that
    there could be a fixed time where all the
    countries she mentioned would have a
    joint closed fishing season. Could she
    give us an assurance that the other
    neighbouring countries would comply
    with that?
    Mrs Koomson 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    discussions have begun and other
    member countries are interested, so I
    believe they would all cooperate when the
    time comes for us to observe the fishing
    closed season.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:49 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, do you have any more follow-
    up questions?
    Mr Gakpey 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am done.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:49 a.m.
    Question
    number 547 which stands in the name of
    the Hon Member for Ledzokuku, Mr
    Benjamin Narteh Ayiku.
    Supply of Pre-Mix Fuel
    Mr Benjamin Narteh Ayiku (NDC - Ledzokuku) 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask
    the Minister for Fisheries and
    Aquaculture Development what is being
    done to ensure constant supply of pre-mix
    fuel to enhance fishing activities as a
    source of livelihood for our fishermen.
    Mrs Koomson 11:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    tracking system currently in place allows
    regulators to monitor the transportation of
    the products from the loading depot to
    designated locations to ensure the
    availability of the product at the landing
    beaches. Plans are also far advanced to
    roll out the automated fuel dispensing
    units at landing beaches to make the
    product available for fishermen at all
    times.
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    Thank you

    .
    Mr Nartey 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, from the
    Hon Minister's Answer, she said that plans are far advanced to roll out the fuel
    dispensing units at the landing beaches. I
    would want to find out from the Hon
    Minister, the detailed plans that she has
    got.
    Mrs Koomson 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Nartey is a member of the Committee that
    has an oversight responsibility over the
    Ministry of Fisheries and Aquaculture
    Development. So he could attest to the
    fact that the Ministry has appeared before
    the Committee to inform them about the
    plans for the automation of the pre-mix
    fuel.
    Mr Speaker, I have just spoken with
    the Hon Chairman of the Committee who
    has indicated that he would call for
    another meeting after which I believe we
    could go ahead with the automation
    system.
    Mr Nartey 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the fisher
    folks in Ledzokuku would want to know
    when the automation system would
    begin, so if the Hon Minister could give
    us some timelines we would be very
    happy?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, the Hon Minister said you are
    part of the Committee and it would be
    announced that there would be another
    meeting after which the timelines would
    be available. The answer she just gave
    responds to your follow-up question so if
    you do not have another question, I would
    move on.
    Hon Member for Komenda-Edina-
    Eguafo-Abrem?
    Mr Samuel Atta-Mills 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    thank you very much.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister, in her
    Answer, mentioned the tracking of the
    pre-mix fuel. I would want to inform her
    that there used to be a blue colour in the
    pre-mix fuel but that colour has been
    taken away, so, how are they ensuring
    that this current pre-mix fuel is not being
    diverted into the fuel pumps?
    Mrs Koomson 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    want to assure the Hon Member that the
    pre-mix fuel would not end up at the fuel
    stations because very soon, we would use
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    condensate gas from the Ghana National

    Gas Company to prepare the pre-mix fuel

    and I am not sure vehicles can use

    condensate gas. Mr Speaker, Cabinet has

    given approval for us to use the

    condensate and preparations have been

    completed so we would start using it very

    soon. By the time we start with the

    automation system, this would also be

    rolled out.

    Mr Rockson-Nelson E. K.

    Dafeamekpor: Mr Speaker, I have

    engaged with the Hon Minister and she

    assured me that the present committees at

    the various landing sites have gone

    beyond their tenure, pursuant to the LI.

    So, I would want to know: is the Hon

    Minister in the position to inform the

    House if the committees have been

    reconstituted and whether they have

    begun work for their new tenure?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, how does this flow out from the
    Answer to Question numbered 547? You
    are asking a question in relation to the
    reconstitution of the committees but her
    Answer is in relation to pre-mix fuel.
    Hon Member, you may file your own
    Question if you want an Answer in
    relation to the committees.
    Hon Members, any further follow-up
    questions.
    Mr M. M. Ibrahim 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    raised a point of Order and you gave a
    ruling and indicated that per Standing
    Order 48(2), the counting should start
    after the bell has been rung. However, it
    has been almost 30 minutes since you
    gave the ruling although the Standing
    Orders are very clear on the time as 10
    minutes. Mr Speaker, so for us to be
    conducting Business without adhering to
    what has been stated palpably in the
    Standing Orders is unfortunate.
    Mr Speaker, I would want your
    guidance because perhaps there is another
    time that I do not know of. So, I just
    would want to know why the Speaker
    would not adhere to the Standing Orders,
    which is the guiding principle of the
    House?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, I very much have the time
    required in my mind so I would be guided
    by it. Thank you very much.
    Hon Members, any further follow-up
    questions for the Hon Minister?
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    Hon Minister, thank you for attending

    upon the House to answer our Questions.

    You are discharged.
    Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    can now take the item numbered 7 - Statements.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minority Leader?
    Mr Avedzi 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Member for Tamale Central raised an
    issue with Standing Order 48 and you
    caused for the bell to be rung. Mr
    Speaker, by the rules, it is your watch that
    would determine when the 10 minute
    duration is up or otherwise, so I would
    want to find out from you if your watch is
    still counting the 10 minutes?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Yes, it is
    still counting and that is why I said that I
    am very conscious about that. If you want
    to make your own application then you
    are entitled to that but in the meantime -
    Mr Avedzi 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want
    to know whether it is your wrist watch,
    mobile phone watch or the watch that we
    all use in the Chamber?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    I recall the
    number of times this issue has arisen in
    the House; the question on the kind of
    watch Mr Speaker is using has been asked
    and answered on so many occasions in
    the House, so I am guided by the previous
    answers that Mr Speaker's watch determines when the time is up. Hon
    Member, I would work according to my
    watch. There is a watch in front of me that
    is different from what you are looking at.
    Mr Avedzi 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am guided
    but if it is your watch then Ghanaians
    should know that it is your watch. Mr
    Speaker, that is why I asked whether it is
    your wrist watch or the watch on your
    mobile phone. Please be kind and tell us
    that it is your wrist watch and even show
    it to us.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    I hope you
    become an Hon Speaker then you would
    realise that there is a huge watch that sits
    in front of you.
    Hon Members, I asked for the bell to
    be rung, so, can the Clerks-at-the-Table
    count the number of Hon Members in the
    Chamber.
    We agreed to take the commemorative
    Statement on World Kidney Day so while
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    the counting is ongoing, the Hon Member

    for Afigya Kwabre North, Mr Collins

    Adomako-Mensah, could read the

    Statement.
    STATEMENTS 12:09 p.m.

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Thank
    you. The results of the counting have
    been brought to me and I would deal with
    it very soon.
    Deputy Majority Leader (Mr
    Alexander Kwamena Afenyo-Markin):
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is saying
    something off the record but since he is
    not ready to own up, I would not refer him
    to it. Except that I get the impression that
    this morning, he does not want a fight. He
    wants to be the good friend I know him to
    be.
    Mr Speaker, he is talking about
    procedure and he said he has done some
    counting but he knows that these things
    are done by the appropriate authority.
    That notwithstanding, while coming, I
    noticed that some Hon Members were
    moving into Committee meetings and all
    that.

    So, Mr Speaker, we may have to

    consider the application. However, we

    may have to ring the bell - [Interruption] - Yes, we are aware that by the 10 minutes. Mr Speaker will keep the time - [Interruption] - Yes, I heard it; I was in the office.

    Mr Speaker, since we are the masters

    of our own rules - [Interruption] - the Supreme Court has not struck out the

    provision that allows us to be masters of

    our own rules - [Interruption] - Yes that is specific. And they are saying that

    juxtaposing that against the constitutional

    provision, they would want to look at it

    again. So do not let us litigate. The

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    practice is that the Hon Member is

    allowed to speak - [Interruption] - The Hon Member for Tamale Central, Mr

    Murtala Muhammed Ibrahim, you are my

    good friend, and you are not supposed to

    Mr Speaker, I rise to plead with the

    Hon Minority Chief Whip to allow the

    Hon Members who are desirous of

    making comments - [Interruption] -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader, are you done?
    You are still on the Floor.
    rose
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    have seen the Hon Member on his feet
    and I thought - [Interruption] - Mr Speaker, if the Hon Member for Tamale
    Central, Mr Murtala Ibrahim would sit
    down for me to continue?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader, please
    conclude.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    pray that you would grant Hon Members
    the permission to comment on the
    Statement made while we deal with the
    issue of quorum.
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for Bia East?
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:19 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, thank you very much.
    The Hon Deputy Majority Leader
    made a statement that we are masters of
    our own rules. Just yesterday, the
    Supreme Court ruled - [Interruption] - I would want to refer Hon Members to
    article 110 of the 1992 Constitution that:
    “…Parliament may, by standing orders, regulate its own procedure.”
    I am paraphrasing - [Interruption] - So, we are no longer masters of our own
    rules - [Interruption] -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, is that your contribution to this
    discussion as to whether to adjourn?
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:19 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, so, I do not want the Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader to just maintain
    that position again.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, I find it very disappointing -
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:19 p.m.
    And even
    Order 109(3) has been struck out from
    our Standing Orders, so even our
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    Standing Orders is now defective because

    it is part of the entire Standing Orders of

    the House and part has been struck out - [An Hon Member: 110 (1)] - So, Mr Speaker, we are not masters of our own

    rules. The Supreme Court can give

    another interpretation to the Standing

    Orders and strike part of it out.

    Mr Speaker, I just would want to
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, Order! Kindly read article 110
    (1).
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:19 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, you need to come to my rescue.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Yes, I
    would want you to read it.
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:19 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, because the Hon Deputy
    Majority keeps telling us that we should
    listen to him in silence, but for a Leader
    to try to heckle an Hon Member on the
    Floor? - We came to the House at the
    same time -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    All right;
    Hon Member, you have the Floor, so
    kindly read article 110 (1).
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:19 p.m.
    [Interruption] -You should respect your Colleague even though you are a Leader
    - [Laughter] - That Hon Member is a junior; seniors are talking. [Laughter]
    Mr Speaker, I would refer to article
    101, and it reads:
    “The Speaker shall preside in Parliament at all sittings and in his
    absence…”
    [Laughter] -
    What did you give to me? - [Laughter] -Mr Speaker, when you have
    co-attorneys, this is the result. I rest my
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon Member, I thought you were going to read article 110(1) to assist all of us? Please, for the avoidance of doubt, I will read article 110(1), which is cardinal to the discussion and the suggestion being made. It reads:
    “Subject to the provisions of the Constitution, Parliament may, by standing orders, regulate its own procedure.”
    So, everything Parliament does regarding the regulation of its procedure is subject to the Constitution. What the Supreme Court said was that the particular Standing Order is against the
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    1992 Constitution. It has not taken away the right to regulate it, and that misinformation is going out unfairly. I heard one of the Leaders this morning - and I said, “Gee”, we should not be misinforming the public when it comes to matters like this. Leaders should speak sparingly.

    Please, whatever we do here to

    regulate our business is subject to the

    Constitution. If for any reason anybody

    says a clause or otherwise is against the

    Constitution, it is the

    Supreme Court that will determine

    whether it is against the Constitution or

    we would say no, the Constitution does

    not give us the power to do a, b, or c.

    Once that determination has been done, if

    the Hon Member wishes to ask for a

    review or appeal against that, it is open to

    us. But let us stop misinforming the

    public that the Supreme Court has taken

    the power of Parliament to regulate itself.

    No; we still have the power to regulate

    our proceedings, except that we must

    work within and not outside the

    Hon Members, I think there is no more

    to be said. I asked for us to be counted and

    the results have been brought to me. The

    total of Hon Members at the time the

    count was done was 41. I am still looking

    round, but I do not see any more Hon

    Members joining the House.

    Hon Members, I would proceed to

    accordingly adjourn the House.
    ADJOURNMENT 12:19 p.m.