Debates of 10 Nov 2022

MR SPEAKER
PRAYERS 11:38 a.m.

ANNOUNCEMENTS 11:38 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:38 a.m.
Order!
Hon Members, the item numbered
2 — Messages from the President. I have two Messages from the
President; the first is dated 1st
November, 2022 and the second, 4th
November, 2022, so I will start with

Hon Members, I insist that when

I am reading messages, there should

The first message dated 1st

November, 2022, reads as follows:

Communication from the President

Communication from the President

Hon Members, the second Message is dated 4th November, 2022, and it

reads:

Hon Members, I think we owe it

as a duty to apologise to the public for

the delay in the commencement of

proceedings today. We were billed to

have started at 10.00 in the morning,

but it is now a few minutes to 12

noon. I will, on your behalf, and on

my part, apologise sincerely for the

delay. It was due to the usual commu-

nications because of the impending

Business for today. Today, 10th

November, 2022 is historic, and I will

tell you why as we go along with the

Business today. So, I apologise once

again, and I want to assure Ghanaians

and the general public that we really

mean business, and what we

scheduled will be done.
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Members, I
do not have any formal commu-
nication today, so we would move to
the item numbered 4 — Correction of Votes and Proceedings and the
Official Report.
Votes and Proceedings and the
Official Report
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Members, we
will start with the correction of Votes
and Proceedings of Wednesday, 9th
November, 2022.
Page 1…8 —
Mr Kwabena Mintah Akando
— rose —
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Member for
Juaboso, is it page 7?
Mr Kwabena Mintah Akandoh 11:48 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is page 8. I was absent yesterday with permission, but I have been captured absent without permission.
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Member,
were you here yesterday?
Mr Akandoh 11:48 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I
was absent with permission.
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Member, who

Mr Habib Iddrisu — rose —
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Yes, Hon Second
Deputy Majority Whip?
Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:48 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
still on page 8, the item numbered
14 —
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Member, let
us finish with the first issue; I thought you were going to talk on that.
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:48 a.m.

Mr Akandoh 11:48 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is
the procedure that you have applied
in this House that Hon Members
should go through their leadership. I
did exactly that and I had the signal
from my Hon Leader that he has also
forwarded everything to your office
in good faith.
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Member,
what is your understanding of the
Mr Akandoh 11:48 a.m.
Mr Speaker, if I
recall, you said that on matters of this
nature, we must go through our
Leadership and that when they give
consent to it, they would
communicate it to you. So, I did what
I was supposed to do and I had a
signal from my Hon Leader that he
has done what he was supposed to do.
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Hon Leaders, what
is the procedure?
Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak
Muntaka: Mr Speaker, as you
rightly indicated, it is true that he
completed the form and I made the
recommendation for him to be
allowed to be absent yesterday. You
have been cautioning Hon Members
to fill the forms and get the
permission before they leave, but,
most of the times, when it is
recommended, they assume that once
Leadership has recommended, the
Speaker is going to accept it and they
proceed on leave. So, it is true he
completed the Leave of Absence
Form and I made the
recommendation to your office with
the assurance that he was going to be
here today. That was done, but we
have not been able to get any
feedback from your office because I
know that the only time we get
feedback from your office is when
the request has been rejected, and
since we did not receive any
communication from your office, we
assumed that the request and the
recommendation were granted.
Mr Speaker 11:48 a.m.
Well, there you
are; the assumption did not come
through, so the Clerks-at-the-Table
were correct in marking him absent
without permission because the
Speaker had not granted him the
permission in writing. Usually, the
procedure, as you stated, is to
complete the form — Let me take this opportunity to emphasise this point:
make sure the form is completed.
Many of you do not answer all the
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:48 a.m.

Mr Habib Iddrisu 11:48 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
it is with the same spirit but on a
different issue. On page 8, number
14, “Amoako Asiamah, Andrew”— the Hon Second Deputy Speaker is on
an official programme and he has
filled the Leave of Absence Form.
The same thing applies to the number
15, “Annoh-Dompreh, Frank”. The Hon Majority Chief Whip was at the
Pan-African Parliament; same applies
to numbers 23, 30 and 32, “Jinapor, Samuel Abdulai”, “Mercer, Andrew
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:48 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Hon First Deputy
Majority Whip, you are of the old
school, but you are too young to be of
the old school. I work everywhere I
am, and while I was away, I was
approving the permissions that were
given and channelled through my
office to me. You can crosscheck
from my Secretariat. Is that alright?

We are not in the 18th century.
Mr Kobina Tahir Hammond 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, can we have a little
clarification on the matter you just
dealt with about giving permission or
leave for one to be absent? I am not
sure if I am getting what you are
saying. I thought by the constitutional
mandate, I have the privilege of being
absent for a few days before the
fifteenth Sitting after which your
authority or permission is required.
Hence, if you say that you do not
have the constitutional mandate to
grant me the leave of absence beyond
the 15 days, then I wonder. When
then do you have the authority to give
me leave to be absent?
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Can you go back
to read the genesis of this rule in the
1992 Constitution? Read it from the
time of the First Republic up to date.
Go and read the Constitutions. You
are a lawyer by profession, and you
would come to understand why I
made this statement. As I indicated
earlier, I would be coming out with a
written guidance to Hon Members on
this matter. And as I said, if you are
not satisfied, you are entitled to move
to —
Mr Hammond 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, as
for Antoa Nyamaa, nobody would
take you on on that. I read it and my
understanding is what I am trying to
proffer, but we would go back to it
and then —
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Initially, it used to be 20 days, but it was within a Session of Parliament. It is the 1992 Constitution that reduced it to 15
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:58 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
The fact that they
have been absent without permission
Mr Afenyo-Markin 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
you are in a very good mood. Initially, I thought you were not in a good mood, so I was trying to catch your attention. You gave Mr Hammond a technical knock out, and you did same to your son, Mr Habib Iddrisu.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Very well, I am
Mr Afenyo-Markin 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
we may have a look at article 97(1)(c) of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Ghana.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
We are now
handling Votes and Proceedings.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Hon Member, were you in the House?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
there was a prayer from Mr K. T. Hammond for your guidance—
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
And I asked him to
go and read. Do you want to read for him?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
it can only be with your leave.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Please, you may
resume your seat.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 11:58 a.m.
Very well.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Page 9…. 10 —
Mr Andrew Kofi Egyapa
Mercer: Mr Speaker, if I may take you back to page 8, the item numbered 30, I believe that my application for leave was duly granted as far back as 6th October, 2022 so it cannot be the case that I am marked as absent without permission yesterday.
Mr Speaker, no, I was not; I was
absent with permission yesterday.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Who granted you
the permission?
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:58 a.m.

Mr Mercer 11:58 a.m.
I believe that the Rt
Hon Speaker granted my permission
when I put in —
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
You agreed with
who?
Mr Mercer 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I said
I believe.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
You believe?
Mr Mercer 11:58 a.m.
Yes.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
That is a very
wrong belief.
Mr Mercer 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I say
so because on the Friday —
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Hon Member, I
said it is a wrong belief — [Laughter] — so please, you may resume your seat.
Page 10 …16 —
Dr Kingsley Nyarko 11:58 a.m.
Mr
Speaker, on page 16, the item
numbered 3(vii), the designation for
“Mr Francis Ahlidza” should be “Director, Monitoring & Evaluation Unit, Ministry of Roads and
Highways”. The word “of” was omitted.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Hon Member,
thank you so much for drawing our
attention to that. Clerks-at-the-Table,
please insert the word “of” after “Ministry”.
Page 17…18 —
Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, there is an omission in
the first paragraph at page 18, which
is on the meeting of the Committee
on Government Assurance. It reads:
“The Committee met on Wednesday, 31st August, 2022
at 11:00 a.m. and considered
assurances made the Hon
Minister responsible for Local
Government, Decentralisation
and Rural Development …”
The word “by” after “made” is omitted, so the Clerks-at-the-Table
should kindly correct it.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Hon Member,
thank you so much.
Clerks-at-the-Table, please insert
“by” after “made”.
Page 19…20 —
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:58 a.m.

Mr Samuel Atta Mills 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, letter “h” has been added to my name. My middle name is spelt “Atta”, “Attah”.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Clerks-at-the- Table, that is on page 20, the item numbered 2(ix). The “Atta” is without an “h”.
Page 21 …25 —
Mr Mills 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the same
mistake has been made on page 25.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Clerks-at-the-
Table, it is a consequential
amendment.
Page 26 —
Mr Ablakwa 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I
believe our Hon Colleague would
want the Clerks-at-the-Table's correction to be whole and complete. A hyphen (-) has been introduced in
his name which is not supposed to be the case. “Atta Mills” is without a hyphen so, if they can complete the
corrections.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
The correction is
on which page? Hon Member, are you talking about page 25?
Mr Mills 11:58 a.m.
Yes, page 25.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
But the hyphen (-)
is there on page 25.
Mr Atta Mills 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker,
there should be no “h”.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
That was the correc-
tion he made, but Mr Ablakwa talked
about us adding the hyphen (-).
Mr Ablakwa 11:58 a.m.
No, it should be
taken off.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
It should be taken
off.
Mr Mills 11:58 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. The
hyphen (-) could be taken off.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
But with the
earlier ones, you did not ask us to take
off the hyphen (-).
Mr Mills 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I spoke
about the insertion of letter “h”.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
Yes, but you left
the hyphen (-), so it continues.
Mr Mills 11:58 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is
because there is another correction to
be made on page 28.
Mr Speaker 11:58 a.m.
So, it was an
oversight?
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:58 a.m.

Mr Mills 12:08 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes.
Mr Speaker 12:08 p.m.
Table Office,
please note, both the “h” and the hyphen should be deleted.
Page 26…28.
There is a consequential
correction on page 28.
29…32.
Mr Peter Lanchene Toobu 12:08 p.m.
Mr
Speaker, I would like to take you
back to page 30. The item numbered 1, under “Committee on Defence and Interior”, the Chairman of the Committee is “Mr Kennedy Ohene Agyapong”, not “Mr Ken Ohene Agyapong”.
Mr Speaker 12:08 p.m.
Is the Hon
Chairman around?
  • [Some Hon Members: Presido! Presido!] Mr Ken Ohene Agyapong, do you have any objection to being called Ken? Do you prefer it to be Kennedy?
  • Mr Ken Ohene Agyapong 12:08 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, it is Ken; Ken Ohene
    Agyapong. It is short - [Laughter].
    Mr Speaker 12:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, he
    prefers Ken.
    Mr Hammond 12:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    since the convention of the House
    resides in your bosom, is it the case
    that Hon Members of the House have
    the permission or contract to take up
    the issue of the proper rendition and
    pronunciation of other Hon
    Colleagues' names on their behalf when they are actually in the House?
    We already have a very serious
    situation where an Hon Colleague is
    attributing to an Hon Member, who is
    right here in Parliament today, a
    name that does not belong to him. Mr
    Speaker, can we have a ruling on
    that?
    When there is an Hon Member in
    the House, they should allow him,
    like our Brother, the Hon Member for
    Komenda/Edina/Eguafo/Abrem,
    when he objected to the hyphen and
    the letter “h” in “Attah-Mills”, and my younger Brother, the Hon
    Member for North Tongu wanted to
    take up that job, and he got it
    disastrously wrong. Mr Speaker, this
    other Hon Member is also - [Interruption]. Hon Member, did you
    not get it wrong? All right, thank you
    very much.
    VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 12:08 p.m.

    Mr Speaker 12:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, this
    is what we call “practice and procedure”. That has been the practice of the House. If you want us
    to change that practice, you can come
    properly for us to do so, but since I
    came here on the 7th of January, 1993
    — [Hear! Hear!] — that has been the practice. At that time, you were not

    Hon Members, in the absence of

    any further corrections —

    Mr Edwin Nii Lantey

    Vanderpuye: Mr Speaker, I have

    noted that the Votes and Proceedings

    captures meetings that were held in

    September, 2022. Meanwhile, this is

    supposed to be the Votes and

    Proceedings of yesterday's delibera- tions in this House.

    Your Committee on Local

    Government and Rural Development

    had a meeting yesterday, but it did

    not find space in the Votes and

    Proceedings of yesterday. However,

    that of 17th and 18th September, 2022

    are the ones we are considering, so I

    would plead that the Table Office

    looks at this issue critically.
    Mr Speaker 12:08 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    ensure that your clerks submit the
    report early. It is very important. You
    might have held your meetings and
    done your deliberations, but that has
    to be transmitted to the Table Office,
    and sometimes, it takes some time
    before it reaches them. Immediately
    it gets there, they put it on the Votes
    and Proceedings. Please crosscheck
    and see whether it is from your
    Committee's secretariat or the Table Office.
    Hon Members, in the absence of
    any further corrections, the Votes and
    Proceedings of Wednesday, 9th
    November, 2022, are adopted as the
    true record of proceedings.
    We would move to the item
    numbered 5 - Urgent Questions. We have a number of Urgent Questions
    on today's Order Paper, and all of them, four in number, are directed at
    the Hon Minister for the Interior. The
    first, which is numbered 5(a), stands
    in the name of the Hon Member for
    Mpohor, Mr John Kobina Abbam
    Aboah Sanie.

    Hon Member, the Hon Minister has taken his seat. You may ask your Question now.
    URGENT QUESTIONS 12:08 p.m.

    MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR 12:08 p.m.

    Mr John Kobina Abbam Aboah Sanie (NPP — Mpohor) 12:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to ask the Minister for the Interior what measures the Ministry is putting in place in the wake of the recent disturbances and unrests in our schools and campuses, to improve security and to address the issues of students' agitations and demonstrations. [Interruption]
    Mr Speaker 12:18 p.m.
    Hon Members, the
    Question is on the Order Paper. I am sure the Hon Minister has read it. Hon Minister, you may respond to the Question.

    Minister for the Interior (Mr

    Ambrose Dery) (MP): Mr Speaker, as a rule, it is not a matter of students' disturbances and unrest in public schools and campuses. However, there have been a few unfortunate isolated students' demonstrations and agitations in our public schools,

    notably, the Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology (KNUST) and the Islamic Senior High School, Kumasi. It must be emphasised that these students' demonstrations were professionally handled by the Police to restore peace and order. The Police Administration understands the need to provide safe, secure and congenial atmosphere within our public universities and schools. To this end, it has initiated pragmatic security measures which include but not limited to the following:

    Vigorous police patrols are

    carried out in our public schools to respond to any emergency security situation. Police presence in public places or schools has also increased.

    More plain-clothed police

    personnel have been deployed for surveillance and intelligence- gathering to assist in taking proactive measures to prevent violence.

    Modern gadgets have also been

    deployed to enable the arrest and prosecution of perpetrators of violence.

    Intelligence-led policing strategy

    has been put in place to promote the use of covert operations. The Police and other security agencies are working in partnership in matters of intelligence.

    Urgent Questions
    Mr Sanie 12:18 p.m.
    No, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:18 p.m.
    Hon Members, we
    move to the Question numbered 5(b),
    and it is the same Hon Member who
    is to ask the Question. Hon Member,
    you may do so.
    Measures to Tackle Menace of
    Police Brutality
    Mr John Abban Aboah Sanie
    (NDC — Mpohor): Mr Speaker, I rise to ask the Hon Minister for the
    Interior measures being outlined or
    implemented by the Ministry to
    tackle the menace of police brutality
    and attacks on civilians, sometimes
    innocent students, in recent times.
    Minister for the Interior (Mr
    Ambrose Dery) (MP): Mr Speaker,
    it is pertinent to note that the duty and
    responsibility of the Police in any
    mob or riotous situation is to
    maintain law and order while
    observing best international policing
    practices. In the midst of riot control,
    the Police always ensure that the
    rights of the rioters are not infringed
    upon. The Police Administration
    would like to reiterate its position and
    state emphatically that unexplained
    brutalities and attacks on civilians are
    unprofessional and unacceptable
    conduct which the Police Service
    frowns upon. Officers found to have
    misconducted themselves in this
    regard have been made to face the
    due process and appropriate punitive
    action meted out to them one way or
    the other.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:18 p.m.
    Hon Member, do
    you have any supplementary question?
    Mr Sanie 12:18 p.m.
    No, Mr Speaker.
    Thank you very much.
    Mr Speaker 12:18 p.m.
    Hon Members, we
    move to the Question numbered 5(c),
    which stands in the name of Dr
    Zanetor Agyeman-Rawlings, the Hon
    Member for the Klottey-Korle
    Constituency. Hon Member, you may
    ask your Question now.
    Measures to Mitigate Impact of
    Recent Floods
    Dr Zanetor Agyeman-Rawlings
    (NDC — Klottey-Korle): Mr Speaker, I rise to ask the Hon
    Minister for the Interior what
    measures the Ministry is putting in

    Urgent Questions

    place to mitigate the devastating

    impact of the most recent floods on

    persons living in the affected areas.

    Minister for the Interior (Mr

    Ambrose Dery) (MP): Mr Speaker,

    the National Disaster Management

    Organisation (NADMO) continues to

    work assiduously to save properties

    and lives in times of flood and other

    disasters. Recently, some districts in

    the northern part of the country

    experienced flooding due to the

    spillage of the Bagre Dam by the

    SONABEL Company Limited of

    Burkina Faso. Also, in the Ashanti

    and Eastern Regions; Manso Nkwanta,

    Kyebi, Abuakwa, Koforidua, and

    Suhum, among others, have been

    affected. Parts of the Greater Accra

    Region - Weija/Gbawe, Ga East and Ga West, as well as Buipe and its

    environs in the Savannah Region,

    have also been affected. NADMO

    provided both food and non-food

    items to most affected victims after

    working hard to save lives and

    property.

    Before the spillage of the Bagre

    and Weija dams, an intensive sensitisation programme was carried out to educate the populace. Same is ongoing in the Akosombo and Kpone environs to prepare the community towards a probable spillage of the

    Akosombo and Kpone dams, which are at their fullest peak as we speak. The Ministry of the Interior assures the public of NADMO's readiness to continue to save lives and property by using proactive measures and available supplies at hand.

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:18 p.m.
    Hon Member, do
    you have any supplementary question?
    Dr Agyeman-Rawlings 12:18 p.m.
    Yes,
    Mr Speaker.
    I would like to find out from the
    Hon Minister whether the Ministry is considering any collaboration with either the Ministry of Works and Housing or any other relevant Ministry to create reservoirs downstream for some of these dams so that the excess water can be stored for future use, given the erratic nature of our rainfall pattern now and the fact that the water can be used for other purposes, and, in the process of doing so, also reduce the amount of spillage that occurs in the surrounding areas.
    Mr Dery 12:28 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Member has raised a very important point. Yes, NADMO and the Ministry of the Interior take care of the impact on persons and property.

    Urgent Questions

    The Ministry of Works and Housing has got a plan to deal with flooding and is working on some infra- structure, which includes the creation of dams along the line of rivers. The details of that would be known by the Ministry of Works and Housing, but at our level, we sometimes have to use equipment to open up gutters and drains to let the water flow. However, the more physical construction programmes are left first with the Ministry of Works and Housing and, in some cases, the Ministry of Roads and Highways when we find out that some roads have culverts or bridges that are inadequate to contain the flow of water.

    So, yes, there is that collabora-

    tive effort, but the details, as far as those programmes are concerned, are more in the bosom of the Hon Minister for Works and Housing.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Member, you
    have another opportunity to ask a supplementary question.
    Dr Agyeman-Rawlings 12:28 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, no. Thank you.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Members, we
    would move to the last Urgent Question. The Question numbered 5(d), which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Nkoranza South, Mr Emmanuel Kwadwo Agyekum.
    Hon Member, you may ask your Question now.
    Mr Emmanuel Kwadwo
    Agyekum: Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, I want to use this
    opportunity to thank the Hon Minister for the Interior. The Police station has actually been opened, so the Question I was going to ask has been dealt with. However, we need more police officers to be posted to Nkoranza.
    Mr Speaker, I would take this
    opportunity to withdraw the Question.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Well, the Question
    has been withdrawn and I am sure that it goes with the earlier comment of the Hon Minister that if Hon Members want police personnel to be posted to a station, the proper thing to do is to get in touch with the Hon Minister and the Ministry for the Interior. So, the Question accordingly withdrawn.
  • [Question withdrawn by leave of the House]
  • ORAL ANSWERS TO 12:28 p.m.

    QUESTIONS 12:28 p.m.

    MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR 12:28 p.m.

    Mrs Della A. Sowah (NDC — Kpando) 12:28 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask
    the Hon Minister for the Interior the
    possibility of realigning policing of
    Gbefi to be under the Kpando Police
    District in line with the demarcation
    of the Constituency.
    Minister for the Interior (Mr
    Ambrose Dery) (MP): Mr Speaker, Gbefi is currently under the
    Golokwati Police District, which is under the Afadzato South District Assembly. Therefore, realigning
    Gbefi under the Kpando District would require consultations with all stakeholders. I believe that even here,
    in Parliament, the Hon Member could
    facilitate that by discussing with her Hon Colleague from the Afadzato South Constituency, but this is
    certainly something that we need to do with the participation of the community and stakeholders.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Member, any
    supplementary question?
    Mrs Sowah 12:28 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    have done some consultations. The Hon Minister is requesting that I do some more consultation with my
    neighbour Member of Parliament. That would be done.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Members, we would move to the Question numbered 940, which stands in the name of the
    Hon Member for Keta, Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey.
    Yes, Hon Member?
    Mr Bandim Azumah 12:28 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Hon Member has an urgent —
    Mr Speaker, I have been asked to ask the Question on behalf of the Hon Member and I am seeking your leave
    to do so.

    Oral Answers to Questions
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Member, you
    have been asked by who?
    Mr Bandim Azumah 12:28 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, by the Hon Member in
    whose name the Question stands.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Member, you
    said you have been asked to ask the
    Question on his behalf. Who asked
    you to ask the Question on his behalf?
    Mr Bandim Azumah 12:28 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Hon Member has just
    walked in so he would ask his own
    Question — [Laughter] —
    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli
    Gakpey: Mr Speaker, thank you very
    much for the opportunity —
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    before you ask your Question, did
    you instruct Hon Bandim Azumah to
    ask the Question on your behalf?
    Mr Gakpey 12:28 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes,
    please. I went to the washroom, so I
    asked —
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    When did you take
    back the instructions?
    Mr Gakpey 12:28 p.m.
    When I was going
    to the washroom — [Laughter] —
    Mr Speaker, sorry, I was called.
    I apologise for that.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Well, I will
    forgive you. You can now ask your
    Question.
    Mr Gakpey 12:28 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank
    you very much. I am highly indebted
    to you.
    Mr Speaker, with your
    permission, I would please proceed to
    ask my Question.
    Number of Suicide Cases
    Recorded among Police Service
    Personnel and Measures to
    Mitigate it
    Mr Kwame Dzudzorli Gakpey
    (NDC — Keta): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon Minister for the Interior
    the number of suicide cases recorded
    among the personnel of the Ghana
    Police Service and the measures
    being taken to mitigate it.
    Mr Dery 12:28 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, from the
    year 2020 till date, three suicide cases
    have been recorded in the Sekondi,
    Accra and Tema regions.
    Mr Speaker, to address the
    recurrence of this unfortunate

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    situation, the Welfare Directorate of

    the Ghana Police Service, in part-

    nership with the Psychological

    Counselling Unit, embarked on

    sensitisation programmes on the

    following:

    • the need for personnel to

    open up and speak on issues

    bothering them;

    • provide psychological first-

    aid tips for personnel;

    • detect early signs of mental

    sickness and the need to

    report these signs to

    authorities for help; and

    • suicide and its effect on

    society, among others.

    In addition to these interim

    mitigating measures, the Police

    Administration, in February, 2021,

    created the Police Counselling Unit

    (PCU). The Unit is mandated to

    handle the wellness and general

    mental health issues of police

    personnel, their families and

    dependents. It is situated outside the

    premises of the Ghana Police Service

    in order to make it accessible to

    affected persons without being

    stigmatised.
    Mr Speaker 12:28 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Member, any supplementary question?
    Mr Gakpey 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes, I
    thank the Hon Minister for answering this Question.

    Mr Speaker, as the Hon Minister

    mentioned in the Answer: “from the year 2020…” — I would like to know whether these Welfare Directorates that have been set up are in all regions in Ghana?
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister?
    Mr Dery 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is in all
    regions, and in fact, as a supportive measure, the Police is recruiting more counsellors, priests, pastors and imams to fortify that unit, and all regions are covered.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Is there any further
    supplementary question?
    Mr Gakpey 12:38 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    I would like to ask the Hon
    Minister, how many psychologists we have in the Ghana Police Service, and are they in all regions?
    Mr Dery 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    have the number but if the Hon Member is so committed to that he

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    may file a Question, so that I would get the numbers for him.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Hon Minister, I
    did not even grant you the permission
    to come and answer the question.
    Mr Dery 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am very
    sorry.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    I was trying to see
    whether that could be a substantive
    Question and not a supplementary
    question, but you decided to
    volunteer.
    Hon Member, you may file a
    substantive Question on this, because
    it requires more investigation and a
    more detailed Answer than a
    supplementary question. So, if you
    have another supplementary question,
    you may do so now.
    Mr Gakpey 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    would like to find out from the Hon
    Minister how the police personnel in
    the districts and communities would
    benefit from these counselling and
    psychological services.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Why did you ask
    such a question? [Laughter].
    Mr Gakpey 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Hon Minister mentioned that the
    directorates that offer these services
    are situated in the regions. That is
    why I asked that question.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    your substantive Question says:
    “To ask the Minister for the Interior the number of suicide cases
    recorded among Ghana Police
    Service personnel and measures
    being taken to mitigate it.”
    Mr Gakpey 12:38 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Now, you are
    being told about the measures being
    taken to mitigate it, and you are
    asking how they are going to benefit
    from those measures.
    Mr Gakpey 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the
    Answer provided by the Hon
    Minister, he mentioned 12:38 p.m.
    “…the Welfare Directorate for the Ghana Police Service,
    in partnership with Psycho-
    logical Counselling Unit,
    embarked on sensitisation
    programmes on the
    following…”

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    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister mentioned the topics, so I was enquiring from him, how those from the communities and districts would benefit from them. This is because this unit is set up in the regions. That is why my follow-up question is going in that direction.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Well, from the
    Answer, it is for the police; it is not for the public that is why I am asking.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Hon Minister,
    maybe you will get the question better than I do. So, if you have any answer, please go ahead.
    Mr Dery 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    get it. Actually, the answer about regions was in response to the Hon Member's follow-up as to whether the Welfare Directorate is established in the regions, and I said yes, but they operate as part of the Police Service. So, I believe that all these account -
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Hon Members, we
    would move to the Question numbered 1080 which stands in the name of the Hon Member for Madina, Mr Francis Xavier Kojo Sosu.
    Hon Member, you may ask your
    Question now.
    The State and Improvement of
    After Care Services for
    Ex-Convicts
    Mr Francis-Xavier Kojo Sosu
    (NDC — Madina): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon Minister for the
    Interior the state of after-care-
    services in Ghana and measures
    being taken to improve after-care
    services with the view of achieving
    effective integration of ex-convicts.
    Mr Dery 12:38 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Social Welfare Department, a
    Government statutory Agency under
    the Ministry of Gender, Children and
    Social Protection (MoGCSP), is
    mandated to provide after-care
    services to ex-convicts or inmates.
    This is expected to be carried out in
    collaboration with the Ghana Prisons
    Service to ensure effective and
    quality integration of persons into
    society.
    Unfortunately, most inmates/ex-
    convicts do not benefit from the
    arrangement for after-care services
    from the Social Welfare Department.
    That notwithstanding, article 208 (3)
    (i) of the 1992 Constitution empowers
    the Prisons Service Council to
    undertake appointment and composi-
    tion of Welfare Committees for

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    prisoners and discharged prisoners as

    well as other persons released from

    legal custody. These committees,

    with representatives from the Social

    Welfare Department, also double as

    Prisons Discharge Boards, which

    seek to and ensure that inmates are

    adequately prepared for discharge/

    release into society.

    In addition to the above, per

    provisions of section, 52 (1) and (2)

    of the Juveniles Act, 2003, (Act 653),

    the Prisons Administration prepares

    periodic reports on the expiration of

    detention on juveniles for the

    attention of the Social Welfare

    Department to facilitate the

    administering of aftercare services to

    affected juveniles.

    Mr Speaker, let me use this

    opportunity to state that the Ghana

    Prisons Service is doing its best to

    ensure inmates discharged behave

    well to facilitate whole integration

    into society.
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Hon Member, do
    you have any supplementary question?
    Mr Sosu 12:38 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    In the Answer given by the Hon
    Minister, he says that 12:38 p.m.
    “Unfortunately, most inmates/ ex-convicts do not benefit
    from the arrangement for
    after-care services from the
    Social Welfare Department.”
    Mr Speaker, what exactly has the
    sector Minister done to ensure that
    these inmates benefit? It is not
    enough to simply say that most
    inmates do not — Why do they not benefit, and what is the Ministry
    doing to ensure that every inmate and
    ex-convict benefit from this
    programme?
    Mr Speaker 12:38 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister?
    Mr Dery 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, social
    welfare is not within my remit, but I
    have told the Hon Member in my
    Answer that we impact through the
    Boards that we establish, on which
    we invite social welfare officers to
    serve.

    Although we do not benefit from

    their arrangement, we are able to get

    their expertise on the boards that we

    establish.

    The Hon Member is one person

    that I know that has shown a lot of

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    interest in matters on prisons and I

    have found his interventions useful

    but I have told him here that the

    Prisons Service itself has put in place

    some measures. These are: first of all,

    we now have tertiary education for

    some of our inmates under the

    University of Cape Coast.

    We also have senior high school

    programmes and what have you.

    Also, recently — I always want to mention that the Church of Pentecost

    at ad initio has come in handy to

    assist the Ghana Prisons Service in

    the building of an elaborate prison

    facility which is equipped and

    enables us to train the inmates in the

    manner that when they are leaving,

    they are also prepared to go into the

    society and be productive. Therefore,

    the reintegration is not as difficult as

    it seems to be.

    Of course, it comes with

    counselling and pastoral work:

    Islamic and other organisations come

    in to help but the reason I appreciate

    the support of the Church of

    Pentecost is that it also gives us all the

    facilities from carpentry to business

    and I think that it is a matter that we

    are committed to ensure that the

    people come back and are

    reintegrated into the society.
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Member?
    Mr Sosu 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the Answer provided by the Minister, the
    Minister said 12:48 p.m.
    — “…let me use this opportunity to state that the Ghana Prisons Authority is doing its best to ensure inmates discharged behave well to facilitate whole integration into the society”. Does the Hon Minister, have any mechanism for monitoring these ex-convicts to determine whether they are really behaving well in the society? And if he does, would he kindly share these mechanisms with the honourable House?
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister?
    Mr Dery 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I speak, we do not have a well- established monitoring system but I believe the Hon Member knows that we are working towards this non- custodial sentence — I believe he has attended the meeting in which we want to build-in, a system by which we would be able to monitor the behaviour of people.
    Now, we are able to train and prepare them for it, but the monitoring could be better, and we hope that when we move with this Community Service Bill, it would

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    enhance our capacity. For now, I would agree that we could do more.
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Hon Members, we
    now move to the Question numbered
    1338 which stands in the name of the
    Hon Member for Akim Oda, Mr
    Alexander Akwasi Acquah.
    Mr Alexander Akwasi Acquah
    (NPP —Akim Oda): Mr Speaker, I am most grateful for the opportunity.
    My Constituency is “Akim Oda”.
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Sorry, what did I
    say?
    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    thought I heard “Akim Ada”—
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    “Ada”? Oh sorry. Maybe, I attempted to say “Akim Da”
    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes,
    “Akim Da”, You have said it rightly.
    Efforts to Accommodate Oda
    Divisional Police Command in
    Appropriate Premises
    Mr Alexander Akwasi Acquah
    (NPP — Akim Oda): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon Minister for the
    Interior efforts being made to
    accommodate the Oda Divisional
    Police Command in a very appro-
    priate premises, as the Command has
    been operating in a rented apartment
    since it was created.
    Mr Dery 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Police Administration is yet to
    develop the 89.81 acres of land
    allocated to the Oda Divisional Police
    Command in the year 1979 through
    an Executive Instrument. Resource
    constraints have been a major factor
    to the construction of both office
    accommodation and barracks for Oda
    Divisional Command.
    Mr Speaker, in spite of the
    setback, a group of citizens from
    Oda, resident in the United States of
    America (USA), have proposed to
    construct the Divisional Police
    Headquarters on the allocated land
    for the Oda Divisional Police
    Command. The Police Command is
    working to engage the leadership of
    the Association to discuss the way
    forward.
    Mr Speaker, that is the state of
    affairs as far as the Oda Divisional
    Police Command is concerned.
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Hon Member, any
    supplementary question?

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    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, is the
    Hon Minister aware that some
    portions of this land have been
    encroached upon, and waiting
    continuously will further aggravate
    the situation?
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister?
    Mr Dery 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Member is in the area and he said the
    land is being encroached upon. I
    would therefore have to draw the
    attention of the Police Service. Of
    course, if we develop the land that
    will be the best solution to it. I hope
    that the Hon Member could work
    with us especially when the
    constituency has an association in the
    USA. We would like to collaborate
    with them and see how we could do
    that quickly.
    However, we would also want
    the Hon Member's inputs as to how we could deal with any encroachment.
    I would draw the attention of the
    Police administration to what has
    been said, because the Hon Member
    is there and I would take whatever he
    says seriously. We could work
    together to see the way forward, but
    the best way out is to construct the
    office.
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, any more supplementary
    question?
    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as
    much as I would like to work with the
    Hon Minister, and the good people of
    Akim Oda in the USA to help
    construct this edifice, I would wish
    the Minister could assure my
    constituents that for a land that has
    been allocated for the past 43 years,
    this project would find space in his
    budget anytime soon. Can the Hon
    Minister assure my constituents?
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    Hon Member, I
    want to know the specific assurance
    because we have a Committee on
    Government Assurances here. So
    what assurance are you looking for?
    Be specific.
    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    have been waiting for the past 43
    years since this land was allocated to
    the Ghana Police Service, and the
    reasons the Hon Minister could give
    for not constructing this edifice is
    because there are no funds. For the
    past 43 years, one would wish that at
    least, in the next two or three years,
    we could have this project considered
    in the budget of the Ministry of the
    Interior.

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    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    So, the assurance
    you want is that the land would be
    developed. Is that the assurance?
    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 12:48 p.m.
    If the Hon
    Minister is talking about money, it is
    not in his hands. It is in the hands of
    this House. We approve the budget
    for all the Government's ministries and agencies, but the assurance the
    Hon Member is looking for, is
    whether the Police Service is
    committed to developing the land.
    Mr Acquah 12:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, rightly
    so. It is the commitment that we are
    looking for, because it looks as if
    from the Hon Minister's Answer, we are depending so much on the people
    from the USA. If their help is not
    forthcoming, then we would
    continuously have the land being
    encroached upon. If the Minister
    could give us his commitment that
    the Police Service would have an eye
    on this project, I am sure my
    constituents would be happy.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Hon Member, I do
    not see where the commitment is.
    Now, you have veered off again to
    the issue of funds, and not the real
    commitment on the land. For them,
    they want the land; they want to
    develop it. The challenge is the
    funding.
    Mr Acquah 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, for the
    past 43 years, I think that it is mainly
    some “out-of-sight” that this project has not come off. The commitment
    may not be strong enough, and that is
    why if it has really found space in the
    Questions, then we would need the
    commitment the police administra-
    tion really wants, to keep that land for
    the Divisional Command.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Well, Hon
    Minister, you may hazard an opinion
    on it. I may not see that as
    commitment or assurance, but the
    Hon Member wants something to
    placate the concerns of the people at
    home about the delay in the
    development of the land.
    Mr Dery 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I can
    assure that the police and, indeed, the Ministry of the Interior want to build as many police stations as we can,
    and both Sides of this House have supported our proposals to develop facilities. I would like to assure the
    Hon Member that there is no lack of commitment on our part, but we are

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    lamenting about the lack of resources. Immediately we get resources, we will do it and do it very fast. I thought

    that — when we discuss in our collaboration, we probably will know how we can assist each other to see

    how we do it, but there is no lack of commitment on our part.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Hon Member, do you have any further supplementary question?
    Mr Acquah 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am satisfied. Thank you very much.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Thank you so
    much.
    We will move on to the Question
    numbered 1558, which stands in the
    name of Hon Member for Suhum, Mr Kwadjo Asante. Hon Member, you may ask your Question now.
    Nationality Breakdown of
    Foreigners Who Have Registered
    with NIA
    Mr Kwadjo Asante (NPP —
    Suhum): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon Minister for the Interior what is the nationality break down of foreigners
    who have registered with the National Identification Authority so far.
    Mr Dery 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    National Identification Authority's (NIA) mandate to create, maintain,
    provide and promote the use of the
    national identity cards commonly
    known as “Ghana Card” for the advancement of the country's economic, political and social
    activities as stipulated in National
    Identification Authority Act, 2006
    (Act 707), is ongoing. The NIA is
    currently running two Public Private
    Partnership (PPP) Projects namely;
    the Foreigner Identification Manage-
    ment Systems Project (FIMS), for the
    registration of Foreigners in Ghana,
    which commenced in 2012 and the
    National Identification System (NIS)
    Project which started in 2018 for the
    registration of Ghanaians from age
    zero to infinity.
    Mr Speaker, as at 20th October,
    2022, NIA has registered a total
    number of 163, 213 foreigners, made
    up of persons of various nationalities.
    The breakdown is attached. It is
    found at pages 12 to 17.
    Mr Speaker, I would need your
    guidance as to whether you would
    like me to read through it. The
    foreigners are from 203 foreign
    countries.

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    Please note that 1,958 Ghanaians

    who have become citizens of other

    countries and renounced their

    Ghanaian citizenship, such as in

    Germany and Netherlands, have also

    been registered as foreign nationals.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you.

    Appendix 1

    REGISTERED FOREIGNERS AS AT 20TH OCTOBER,2022

    TOTAL 163,213

    S/N COUNTRY_NAME TOTAL_REGISTERED

    1 China 34,935

    2 Nigeria 26,342

    3 India 20,296

    4 United States 9,576

    5 Germany 4,417

    6 Lebanon 4,367

    7 United Kingdom 4,181

    8 South Africa 3,212

    9 France 2,238

    10 Côte d'Ivoire 2,208

    11 Gabon 1,977

    12 Ghana 1,946

    13 Turkey 1,789

    14 Philippines 1,730

    15 Cameroon 1,711

    16 Canada 1,632

    17 Egypt 1,590

    18 Liberia 1,556

    19 Pakistan 1,515

    20 Korea, Republic of 1,477

    21 Italy 1,459

    22 Congo 1,403

    23 Netherlands 1,378

    24 Sierra Leone 1,341

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    25 Kenya 1,188

    26 Benin 1,050

    27 Australia 1,005

    29 Syrian Arab Republic 933

    33

    Congo, the Democratic

    Republic of the 754

    35 Equatorial Guinea 724

    36 Burkina Faso 678

    50 Russian Federation 329

    54 Sri Lanka 321

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    58 Central African Republic 277

    67 Tanzania, United Republic of 222

    72 New Zealand 185

    89 Taiwan, Province of China 118

    91 Iran, Islamic Republic of 106

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    92

    Venezuela, Bolivarian

    Republic of 105

    96 Trinidad and Tobago 88

    98 Guinea-Bissau 86

    101 Palestinian Territory, Occupied 75

    102 Czech Republic 73

    106 South Sudan 56

    113

    Korea, Democratic People's

    Republic of 46

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    124 Saudi Arabia 34

    125

    Macedonia, the former

    Yugoslav Republic of 32

    129 Papua New Guinea 28

    130 Cape Verde 28

    134 Sao Tome and Principe 24

    136 Bosnia and Herzegovina 22

    139 Costa Rica 20

    141 Saint Lucia 19

    142 Bolivia, Plurinational State of 19

    146 Hong Kong 17

    148 Moldova, Republic of 17

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    159 Antigua and Barbuda 10

    161 Solomon Islands 9

    163 Dominican Republic 8

    166 El Salvador 7

    167 United Arab Emirates 7

    172 Saint Kitts and Nevis 5

    173 French Southern Territories 4

    177

    Saint Vincent and the

    Grenadines 4

    179 Isle of Man 4

    182 American Samoa 3

    185 Turks and Caicos Islands 3

    186 Northern Mariana Islands 2

    187 Micronesia, Federated States of 2

    189 Réunion 2

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    190 San Marino 2

    191

    Lao People's Democratic

    Republic 2

    192

    United Kingdom British

    Citizen Dependent territori 2

    194 Timor-Leste 2

    195 Curaçao 1

    198 Puerto Rico 1

    200

    United Nations Organization or

    one of its official 1

    201

    United States Minor Outlying

    Islands 1

    202 Saint Barthélemy 1
    Mr Asante 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    looked at the records, and I realise
    that in the appendix that the Hon
    Minister attached, the total
    registration for China is 34,935. On a
    lighter note, I would like to know
    whether Aisha Huang is indeed
    registered.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Who is Aisha
    Mr Asante 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I
    said, it was on a lighter note. I would
    just like to know if Aisha Huang is
    indeed registered.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Are you referring
    to the lady who is being tried in
    connection with illegal mining?
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Her name is
    Mr Asante 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    You said it was on
    a lighter note, but I will ask the Hon
    Minister to answer, whether the lady
    being tried in connection with illegal

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    mining, specifically Aisha Huang, is

    one of those who have been

    registered as foreigners.
    Mr Dery 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    suspect on trial is on the register of
    foreigners, and I would like to make
    the point that she was repatriated and
    she registered under a different name.
    Therefore, the collaboration between
    NIA and the intelligence agencies
    was what was able to connect the two
    names and get us her location.
    Therefore, she is on the register.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Hon Member, do
    you have any further supplementary
    question?
    Mr Asante 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    no further question to ask. I thank
    you.
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Hon Members, we
    will move on to the Question
    numbered —
    Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa
    and Mr Richard Acheampong — rose —
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Yes, “Hon” Richard Acheampong, not “Mr Richard Acheampong”?
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:58 p.m.
    Mr

    Mr Speaker, referring to the

    appendix provided by the Hon

    Minister for the Interior, he indicated

    that 163,213 people have been

    registered as foreigners and that

    China tops the list with 34,935.

    However, strangely, Ghana is listed

    as the item numbered 12, with 1,946

    people registered as foreigners.

    Therefore, I would just like to find

    out from the Hon Minister if there is

    another country called Ghana or he is

    referring to this very Ghana that we
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    I have not admitted
    that question.
    Hon Members, we will move to
    the Question numbered —
    Mr Ablakwa 12:58 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    have a supplementary question but
    before I ask, I would like to kindly
    draw your attention to the item
    numbered 41 in the table. The
    spelling of the country “Vietnam”—
    Mr Speaker 12:58 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    which page?

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    Mr Ablakwa 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, page
    13, item numbered 41. “Viet” has been separated from “Nam”. There is no such country.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, we
    are not yet at Correction of Votes and
    Proceedings. Ask your question.
    Mr Ablakwa 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was
    just doing that for the records.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Speaker, the supplementary
    question relates to interfacing. I
    would like to know if the NIA is by
    any chance, interfacing and sharing
    data with other agencies so that in the
    incident you referred to, the case of
    the suspect, Ms Aisha Huang, if
    information was being shared
    between institutions like the Passport
    Office, NIA, SSNIT, DVLA we
    could avoid these impersonations and
    people wanting to beat the system
    with different identities which would
    render the whole national identify-
    cation exercise useless. Therefore, I
    would like to find out if there is any
    interfacing between Government
    institutions. Are they sharing data or
    are they operating in silos which
    really would render this whole
    identification process, an exercise in
    futility?
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister?
    Mr Dery 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes, we
    are working hard to make sure that
    state institutions are linked with this
    information to make us do better. For
    instance, if we talk about Births and
    Deaths, Health, and Immigration,
    now, we are all working together to
    have that common source. Therefore,
    it is important because if we do not
    get that right, it would be difficult for
    us. So for us in the security area, it is
    very important that we do that and
    once we do that, it would make our
    work easier. So it is ongoing but it is
    not yet completed.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Minister, for
    my personal education, would you
    tell me the ages referred to as “zero to infinity”? It is in the Answer you provided. What are the ages
    considered zero to infinity?
    Mr Dery 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, my
    understanding is from birth to - and infinity - we all would like to live forever. We would live spiritually
    forever but since we are going to die
    at different ages - Psalm 91 in the

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    Bible says “with long life, will I satisfy you” so “infinity” is because we cannot cut off at a particular age.

    It varies from person to person and -
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Minister, so
    as you said, the appropriate phrase is
    “from birth to death” but when you say “age zero”, it means the person has not been born yet.
    Mr Dery 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there are
    different interpretations. For you and
    I who are lawyers, I am on your side
    but for scientists dealing with data,
    sometimes, you find “0” on their graphs and I would want to believe
    that it is the beginning because zero
    is a number.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Yes, zero is a
    number but zero means zero so when
    someone is born, at least, that person
    is about some seconds old. The
    person cannot be zero.
    Mr Dery 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is a
    term of ‘ad missal' - when it comes, the person may be 0.1 hour and so on
    and so forth, but it is meant to be from
    birth to death.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Minister, 0.1
    or 0.001 is not zero.
    Mr Dery 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, very well
    but when the time starts working -
    Mr Speaker, it is meant to be
    from birth to death.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:08 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would like to know if the
    Hon Minister is aware that the Births
    and Deaths Registration Act takes
    into account fetal deaths?
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, take
    into account?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:08 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, fetal deaths. That is the zero.
    I would like to know if the Hon
    Minister is aware of this.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member,

    I think you would have to draw

    our attention to the Act. I have not

    seen it.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:08 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we did it here under your
    watch.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    under my watch?

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    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:08 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, yes.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    maybe it was under your watch not

    Hon Members, I think we now

    have the last but two Questions

    before we move to the issue of the

    Motion so we would take the

    Question numbered 1439 which

    stands in the name of the Hon

    Member for Yunyoo, Mr Oscar

    Liwaal.

    Hon Member, you may ask your

    Question.

    Provision of a Police Patrol Van

    for Yunyoo District
    Mr Oscar Liwaal (NPP — Yunyoo) 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask
    the Hon Minister for the Interior
    when the Ministry will provide
    Yunyoo District with a police patrol
    van to improve patrols in the District.
    Mr Dery 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Government of Ghana is committed to the fight against crime in the country and has over the years resourced the Police Service with
    vehicles and other logistics to enable the Service perform its constitu- tionally mandated duties effectively. The Service is currently in short supply of vehicles and the Yunyoo District would be considered any time vehicles are available. Meanwhile, the North-East Regional Police Command has been tasked to ensure regular patrols in the district as a short-term measure.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, do you have any supplementary questions?
    Mr Liwaal 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, Yunyoo District is a bit of a distance from the regional capital which is Nalerigu, so the regional patrol teams cannot do effective work. Respectfully, I would like to appeal to the Hon Minister—
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, could you read the Answer well? The Hon Minister did not say the “regional patrols”. He said “the North-East Regional Police Command has been tasked to ensure regular patrols”. He did not say the regional police is doing the patrols.
    Mr Liwaal 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was saying that because of the distance, their work may not be effective so I am appealing to the Hon Minister —

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    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, is
    Yunyoo so distant from any other
    districts? It is a matter of instructions.
    Mr Liwaal 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    saying the distance between Yunyoo
    and Nalerigu —
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Member, this
    has nothing to do with the issue of
    distance. The Answer did not talk
    about that.
    Mr Liwaal 1:08 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    appealing to the Hon Minister to do
    something as a temporary measure
    because the crime rate, especially in
    the dry season, is always high.
    Mr Speaker 1:08 p.m.
    Hon Minister, the
    Hon Member is saying that the
    distance between the regional capital
    and Yunyoo is long so they cannot
    have the regional patrols being
    effective in the Yunyoo district. Is
    there any temporary measure?
    Mr Dery 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank
    you. Mr Speaker, the Police
    Administration has developed
    various strategies now. Even some
    parts of the north have patrol
    motorbikes for the police to cover
    various areas. So, Yunyoo has been
    designated as one of the places to be
    covered by that police patrol. It is not
    a regional patrol. There is a patrol for
    the highways and one for the locality.
    Mr Speaker, so, I can assure the
    Hon Member that Yunyoo is covered.
    In any case, we are still moving. We
    are trying to cover as many parts of
    the country as possible. We are
    establishing Formed Police Units
    (FPUs) to cover all regional and
    district police units. So, it is an
    ongoing process and the Yunyoo
    District might get a vehicle earlier
    than they think. However, for now,
    we are still waiting for vehicles.
    Mr Speaker, I would always like
    to repeat ad nauseam the support of
    Parliament. We have had several
    meetings and Parliament has been
    behind us, so we are covering more
    parts of the country now than we have
    ever done. Therefore, I would like to
    ask the Hon Member for Yunyoo to
    kindly be patient.
    Mr Speaker 1:18 p.m.
    Hon Member, do
    you have any other supplementary
    question?
    Mr Liwaal 1:18 p.m.
    No, Mr Speaker.

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    Mr Speaker 1:18 p.m.
    Hon Members, the
    last Question numbered 1440, stands
    in the name of the Hon Member for
    Sissala West, Mr Adams Mohammed
    Sukparu.
    Hon Member, you may kindly
    ask your Question.
    Steps to Improve Police Presence
    in Sissala West District
    Mr Adams Mohammed Sukparu
    (NDC — Sissala West): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon Minister for the
    Interior the steps the Ministry has
    taken to improve police presence in
    and around the Sissala West District
    to deter criminal activities and threats
    of terrorism.
    Mr Dery 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is the
    desire and responsibility of the
    Government and the Police Service to
    provide security for all citizens in the
    country. The Police Service would
    continue to provide adequate security
    to the people of Ghana to enable them
    go about their daily activities without
    fear or intimidation.
    Mr Speaker, to this end, the
    Government has resourced and
    continues to provide logistical
    support to enable the Police perform
    its core mandate effectively. Soon,
    some districts, including the Sissala
    West District would receive additional
    logistics to enhance their operational
    and combat readiness, as well as the
    deployment of FPU to deal with
    security threats in the district.
    Mr Speaker, in addition, the
    Police Service, in the bid to enhance
    policing across board, would in the
    coming days post the newly passed-
    out Police Constables to all regions to
    ensure Police presence and effective-
    ness. It has always been said that
    “security is a shared responsibility”, and much as we expect the security
    officials to do their work and flush
    out social miscreants in our
    communities, the officers depend on
    information from the public in order
    to arrest these criminals.
    Mr Sukparu 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Hon Minister stated in his Answer
    that, “soon, some Districts, including Sissala West District, the would
    receive additional logistics to
    enhance their operational…” So, I would like to find out from the Hon
    Minister whether the logistics
    includes vehicles. This is because as
    we speak, Sissala West does not have
    a moving vehicle for the Police to go
    about their normal patrols.

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    Mr Dery 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like to assure the Hon Member that it
    includes a vehicle. Wherever we have
    an FPU, there would be a vehicle
    with a number of motorbikes feeding
    into the vehicle. So, yes, there would
    be a vehicle. I also believe that with
    all things being equal, we should be
    able to hit those districts before the
    end of the year.
    Mr Sukparu 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    according to the 2021 Population and
    Housing Census (PHC), the popular-
    tion of Sissala West is about 64,000.
    However, the Police strength
    currently stands at only 46 in the
    district, making the Police to civilian
    ratio 1: 1,390. Per my checks, the
    standard is supposed to be 1:500.
    This means that the deficit is about 82
    Police personnel. I would like to find
    out again from the Hon Minister
    whether he could assure the people of
    Sissala West that the district would
    get the number of 88 Police personnel
    which it currently lacks.
    Mr Dery 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, certainly,
    Sissala West would have more Police
    officers than they have now. This is
    because when we talk about an FPU,
    it has a number of personnel that it
    comes with. As an FPU, it is
    independent of the Police District
    Unit. So, it would come. As I said, the
    FPU normally has a vehicle with a
    number of motorbikes operating
    together as an FPU.
    Mr Speaker, also, as the Answer
    has shown, we would post the newly
    passed-out officers, and we would
    continue to send as many as we can.
    However, I would not be able to
    promise the Hon Member the definite
    number that would be sent.
    Mr Speaker, is the Hon Member
    saying that he would protest if the
    number is beyond that?
    Mr Speaker 1:18 p.m.
    Hon Minister,
    please it is not your time to ask
    questions.
    Hon Members, the time for
    Questions is over.
    We would now move on to the
    item numbered 7 on the Order Paper
    - Statements. We would not take any Statements today.
    Hon Members, I would seek
    your indulgence to suspend Sitting
    for 10 minutes. Before I do that, I
    would want to thank the Hon
    Minister for the Interior for attending
    upon the House and responding to

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    Questions of Hon Members. Hon

    Minister, we are grateful.

    Hon Members, we would have a

    10-minute suspension of Sitting. I

    would be back within the 10 minutes.

    Thank you very much.

    1.26 p.m. — Sitting suspended.

    1.50 p.m. — Sitting resumed
    Mr Speaker 1:18 p.m.
    Hon Members, I
    am grateful for your indulgence.
    We would move straight to the
    commencement of Public Business
    — item numbered 10 on page 5 of the Order Paper. It is a Motion and it
    would be moved by the Hon Minority
    MOTIONS 1:18 p.m.

    Mr Speaker 1:18 p.m.
    Hon Minority
    Leader, just a minute. Hold your
    breath.
    Yes, Hon Deputy Majority
    Leader?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:18 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with the greatest of respect, the lead
    applicant in this Motion argues that
    he is moving the Motion and leading
    evidence.
    Mr Speaker, it must be
    emphasised that it is one thing
    moving the Motion and another thing
    leading evidence. Therefore, it is my
    contention at this stage that he has
    moved his Motion, I hold preliminary
    objection, which preliminary objection
    with your leave, I would want to put
    across before the evidence is laid.
    Mr Speaker, in leading evidence,
    it could mean that for the optics and
    for the politics of which he intends to
    achieve, he would have led
    Ghanaians into believing that this
    supposed evidence which is held by
    him, which the respondent does not
    have the opportunity to peruse, would
    be carried. —[Interruption]—
    Mr Speaker, it is my contention,
    therefore, please grant me leave to
    raise a preliminary objection in terms
    of the Motion paper and the grounds
    of same, so that, if you make a
    determination in my favour, perhaps,
    certain consequential orders could be
    made.
    Mr Speaker, this is because I did say a week ago that the grounds of the

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance

    Motion are merely ex-cathedra. They are not based on reason fact, or any law. What they have are ex-cathedra matters, but if he now says that he is leading evidence, the respondent — [Interruption]— Hon Member for Ajumako/Enyan/Esiam, Dr Cassiel Ato Baah Forson, these are matters of law. Please allow — [Interruption]— No! I sought the permission of Mr Speaker, and he has granted me leave. It is my right to speak — [Interruption]— Yes! However, he should seek the leave of Mr Speaker before he speaks.

    Mr Speaker, the right to a fair

    hearing is guaranteed in the 1992 Constitution. I have a preliminary objection; this preliminary objection, I am bringing to the fore upon the Hon Minority Leader moving his Motion. However, if he proceeds after moving his Motion to lead his evidence, it may be too late, to arrest his Motion on the procedural grounds upon which my preliminary objection is grounded.

    Therefore, Mr Speaker, grant me

    leave to proceed with my preliminary objection at this point. This is because he is going into evidence, and he said so in his Motion.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Speaker 1:18 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Majority Leader, please, kindly allow
    him to move the Motion. I would give
    you the opportunity to put across
    your primary objection. So, allow
    him to move the Motion.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 2 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    I was establishing that Mr Ken Ofori-
    Atta has mismanaged the Ghanaian
    economy, and is therefore
    incompetent and not fit-for-purpose;
    to continue to hold himself as
    Minister for Finance. Therefore, I am
    inviting my Hon Colleagues from the
    other Side to join us, to “let your vote count” in bidding him farewell to save this economy, businesses,
    savings, and investments.
    Mr Speaker, a crate of egg,
    which was sold at GH₵12.00, is now GH₵40.00; a bag of sachet water, which was sold at GH₵1.50, is now GH₵10.00; cement, which was sold at GH₵18.00, is now GH₵95.00; a bag of soyabeans, which was sold for
    GH₵150.00, is now GH₵500.00; a bucket of onions —
    Mr Speaker 2 p.m.
    Order! Order!
    Hon Members, this is a very
    serious Motion.

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 2 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, with your indulgence, I
    would like to table this for the the
    Clerks-at-the-Table to take note —
    Mr Speaker 2 p.m.
    Hon Minority
    Leader, wait. I would want us to take
    this matter seriously. The whole
    world is watching us; we would
    definitely do what is right and
    therefore, you would all be given the
    opportunity to have a say. Let us do
    that with all seriousness without
    drama and theatrics. Please, let us
    listen to each other. Ghanaians are
    also listening, and so, I take this
    matter seriously because we went
    through a similar situation in 1999.
    At that time, it was the late Rt Hon
    Justice D. F. Annan who was
    presiding. I know what happened
    during that period because I was here.
    There are a lot of issues that we
    have to consider in moving such a
    Motion, and he did grant a lot of
    opportunity for Hon Members to
    contribute and even guide him as to
    the right path to take and he did that.
    I am guided by that because that one
    was a Motion calling on the House to
    simply tell the Hon Minister to
    resign, but this one is more serious.
    This one is constitutional and more
    imperative than just a Motion trying
    to address a matter of public concern.
    This one is a Motion for censure;
    it is very serious. It is directed to the
    President, and there is a process we
    go through. If anyone knows, it was
    just an ordinary motion but they went
    through it and I am guided by all that.
    Therefore, let us give each other a
    chance; let us listen. The freedom of
    speech cannot be curtailed here, but
    no indecent language would be
    allowed. This is a serious matter. You
    know the state in which we are, so,
    we can no longer fail to show
    leadership in this country.
    Hon Minority Leader, you may
    continue.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 2:10 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would tender the prices of
    goods from December 2016 to
    November 2022, ending with the
    price of fertiliser which increased
    from GH₵75.00 to GH₵500.00 from
    2016.
    Mr Speaker, I take a cue from
    you and urge my Hon Colleagues on
    the other Side that, as you just stated,
    we have been there before. With your
    indulgence, I am invoking article 82
    of the 1992 Constitution. This
    Motion is based on article 82 of the
    1992 Constitution, which provides,
    and Mr Speaker, with your
    indulgence, I quote;

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    “(1) Parliament may, by a resolution supported by the votes of not less than two- thirds of all the members of Parliament, pass a vote of censure on a Minister of State.

    (2) A motion for the resolution

    referred to in clause (1) of this article shall not be moved in Parliament unless



    (a) seven days' notice has been

    given of the motion;”

    Mr Speaker, that, you have

    helped us to comply with.

    “(b) the notice for the motion has

    been signed by not less than one-third of all the members of Parliament; ”

    Mr Speaker, we have complied

    with that.

    “(3) The motion shall be debated

    in Parliament within fourteen days after the receipt by the Speaker of the notice for the motion.”

    Mr Speaker, we have been

    counting and today, we are moving the motion.

    Mr Speaker, article 82(4)

    provides that,

    “(4) A Minister of State in respect of whom a vote of

    censure is debated under

    clause (3) of this article is

    entitled, during the debate,

    to be heard in his defence.”

    A vote of censure is, therefore, a

    formal statement of disapproval or

    condemnation in the form of a

    resolution that is adopted by a

    majority vote, and in the context of

    article 82 of the 1992 Constitution,

    two-thirds of all MPs voting by a

    secret ballot.

    Mr Speaker, I concede that my

    gallant men and women here are not

    up to the two-thirds onerous

    threshold. That is why my Hon

    Colleagues on the other Side must let

    their vote count to save this country,

    and for us to say goodbye, and exit

    the Hon Minister for Finance from

    doing any further harm to the

    Ghanaian economy.

    Apart from debt, there is

    inflation. The Hon Minister for Finance inherited an inflation of 15.4 per cent; today, it is 40.4 per cent. For the

    exchange rate of the Ghanaian cedi,

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    they inherited US$1 at GH₵4.00, and indicated to all of us that they had the

    key to arrest the depreciation of the cedi. Today, the cedi is falling and suffering from an epileptic fall. They

    have lost control of the depreciation; US$1 is to GH₵15.00.

    Mr Speaker, when we go to unemployment, it has probably

    increased from 5.53 per cent to 13.9 percent. What does he have to show? We are told that he did well, and that

    we should blame COVID-19 and the Russia-Ukraine war. Did they borrow to support Ukraine? They did not

    borrow to support Ukraine. Their reckless and irresponsible borrowing has led us to where we are; we are in

    a ditch. The Ghanaian economy is in a ditch. Accept it or not, they may have to restructure debt in order to

    sustain the economy in the next two or three years.

    I heard the President speak to the nation, and said there will be no

    haircut; there would be and there would be a barber of a sort. That barber may be sika mpɛ dede barber; to wit, “money does not like noise barber”. It would happen to investment, savings, and bonds that

    have been issued, and even independent power producers are likely to suffer a restructuring of the

    debt because how much we owe is colossal.

    The incompetence of the Hon

    Minster for Finance manifested even

    in this House, when he came and said

    that we should approve a Sinohydro

    loan of US$600 million for him to

    undertake a number of projects. He

    misled this House when he said barter

    - tomatoes in exchange for pepper. Where is his pepper in exchange of

    the tomatoes he borrowed? Reality

    has dawned on them. The Sinohydro

    loan is due for payment and they must

    pay. They would not be able to pay

    with the unprocessed bauxite

    underground that they do not know

    the road or railway leading its site.

    Mr Speaker, it is the Hon

    Minister for Finance who came here

    and said that we should do that for

    him. Initially, he even wanted US$2

    billion in barter. With my simple

    understanding in economics, barter is

    the exchange of goods for goods.

    Where are the goods in exchange for

    the US$646 million they got from the

    Chinese? That is a mark of

    incompetence.

    The Bank of Ghana, which is a sacred and independent institution, is required — part of the Extended

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    Credit Facility Agreement they inherited from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) was to allow for some 10 per cent Bank of Ghana financing in times of emergency, but we work towards zero per cent financing from the Bank of Ghana.

    Mr Speaker, with the figures

    available to me, I see that even for 2022, the Bank of Ghana, probably, would have spent some GH₵17.5 billion, about 24 per cent, which exceeds the 10 per cent threshold; that is a breach of law, and, probably for 2021, about 19 per cent, which is also a breach of law. What is even more important is, what kind of reserve did they inherit, and what is the state of our reserves? Are we able to, tomorrow, guarantee that essential social and economic services can be provided for the Ghanaian?

    Mr Speaker, today, I used just

    petroleum prices. When they were in Opposition, they were good at carrying jerrycans and saying that when they come, they would reduce the prices of petroleum products. They said that it was a nuisance tax. Have they reduced it?

    They benefitted from President

    Mahama's Energy Sector Levy Act (ESLA) which has raked in some

    GH₵6.9 billion, yet they are using smart economics which is killing

    them. They have collateralised

    President John Mahama's ESLA for the next 10 years. From today until

    2035, ESLA would be used to service

    debt. That is what they have done, yet

    they said that it was a nuisance tax.

    ESLA has been helpful; at least, it has

    given them a collateral and

    guarantee.

    Mr Speaker, on this Side, we do

    not see plausible plans for

    redemption when we hear the

    President speak that by the year 2028,

    the debt to Gross Domestic Product

    (GDP) would be 55 per cent. We do

    not know where he would be or the

    weight of responsibility that would be

    on him to lead us as a country.

    We are told that the President

    promised God a national cathedral,

    and I have no problem with it. Ghana

    is one of the most respected societies

    in the world when it comes to

    religious tolerance and coexistence.

    Muslims and Christians alike respect

    each other, but when he promises

    God, he should honour it by

    respecting processes. If he approves

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    GH₵199 million for the construction of a cathedral without parliamentary

    approval, is that honour to God? He

    has not followed proper procedure.

    God wants him to spend on the

    church in honour. He does not want

    that one day, somebody would picket

    around the cathedral, and say that

    public funds were used unjustifiably

    for it. That itself would not help.

    Mr Speaker, we refuse to be

    lured by the false hopes they are

    creating. They do not provide any

    indemnity for investors against

    political and regulatory risk. We have

    seen the President rehash some of his

    own words that property rates would

    be introduced. They said it in the

    Budget Statement of 2022 that the

    collection of property rates would

    take effect in January 2022.

    The Hon Minister for Finance

    should know that when he comes to

    read the Budget Statement, we take

    him seriously. For things that he has

    not been able to do in six years, he

    wants us to trust and believe that he

    would do it in two years. We simply

    do not trust and believe him and

    simply want him out.

    Mr Speaker, where are the men?

    They said that they had the men —

    [Laughter]. The Hon Deputy Majority Leader wants to reduce this august House to a court of law. This is not a court; it is the Parliament of Ghana — [Hear! Hear!] — and in the Parliament of Ghana, the Minister of State would be given, and I trust the judgement of Mr Speaker that the Hon Minister could fully defend himself. If the Hon Minister is unable to be here, he has to explain because article 82 of the 1992 Constitution provides that adequate notice is given. That has been done to him. He is a Minister of State of this Republic who is answerable and accountable to this Parliament and ought to answer to us as a Parliament.

    Mr Speaker, on precedent, as

    you have heard them, today, they should let their votes count. They were the same people in 1999 who, arising out of the Gulf War, when the economy of Ghana got bad, then led by Dr Konadu Apraku — Mr Speaker, this is where you were helping them — I have the Hansard for the purpose of record. When I see them wanting to dance differently to the same tune, it means that they do not know how to dance. Their dance to the same tune must be the same.

    Mr Speaker, on 10th November,

    1999, Dr K. K. Apraku, the then Hon

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance

    Member for Offinso North said, and I quote:

    “Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this House, recognising the

    serious economic crisis …”

    Mr Speaker, I borrowed his

    words and that of Nana Addo

    Dankwa Akufo-Addo. We have a

    major economic crisis, and the

    President and Minister accept it. I

    now quote him in full:

    “Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this House, recognising the

    serious economic crisis that has

    resulted from the incompetence

    and mismanagement of the

    Ghanaian economy by the

    Minister for Finance, hereby,

    call for the Minister for Finance

    to resign.”

    We are doing about the same,

    except that we have gone further to

    give them the weight of the

    Constitution and due process. That is

    why we are invoking article 82 of the

    1992 Constitution. We know we do

    not have the numbers and we would

    rely on you and the Majority,

    including the Leader of Government

    Business, that on this day they have

    consulted their constituents that this

    Parliament has a duty to reflect the

    aspirations and needs of the Ghanaian

    people who are reeling under

    exacerbated hardship and want this

    Parliament, united by consensus, to

    stand with the people of Ghana in

    bidding farewell to the Hon Minister

    for Finance, Mr Ken Ofori-Atta.

    Mr Speaker, when I ask “Where are the men?” — they have the men, but they are now telling us that they

    want to come by a lawyer. Why so?

    When Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu,

    Mr Afenyo-Markin, Mr K. T.

    Hammond, and Mr Atta Akyea are

    here, why would the Hon Minister for

    Finance be contemplating some

    lawyer from somewhere? The centre

    cannot hold, Mr Speaker. — [Laughter] Mr Speaker, the centre

    simply cannot hold.

    Mr Speaker, this is what the

    President himself said which should

    invite my Hon Colleagues on the

    opposite side, that this is not a matter

    personal to Mr Ken Ofori-Atta.

    Persons who borrowed US$3 million

    for purposes of their business in 2019

    or 2020 are made to cough between

    GH₵28 million and GH₵30 million. Businesses are collapsing. The

    President had this to say on 30th

    October, 2022; this was the

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    President's admission and he must take full responsibility. He said:

    “The whole world has been taken aback by the speed with

    which inflation has eaten away

    people's incomes.”

    Real income has suffered in

    Ghana for both public and civil

    servants. Their income can no longer

    buy the goods and services that a

    month ago, they could afford to buy.

    It means that they would buy less and

    children would not smile at them

    when they go home without giving

    them what they need sufficiently.

    Mr Speaker, I am quoting the

    President:

    “Economies, big and small, have experienced, over this year

    alone, the highest rise in cost of

    living over a generation; the

    highest rise in government

    borrowing in over fifty (50)

    years …”
    Mr Speaker, this is my emphasis 2:20 p.m.
    “the highest rise in government borrowing in over 50 years by Mr
    Ken Ofori-Atta”. After saying that US$120 billion of debt was colossal,
    he is on record to have borrowed, in
    the words of the President, more than
    any other person in the last 50 years.
    The President then says: “the highest rise in inflation for forty (40) years;
    the steepest depreciation in their
    currencies to the US dollar over the
    last thirty (30) years”.
    I have always shared this joke:
    the Vice President of the Republic
    and Chairman of the Economic
    Management Team of the Republic,
    Alhaji Dr Mahamadu Bawumia
    thought that arresting the deprecia-
    tion of the Ghanaian cedi was as easy
    as stopping a trotro between Wulugu
    and Nasia to Tamale. No, he needs to
    expand and diversify exports. The
    President must simply cut the size of
    Government. Those symbolic
    announcements that the salaries of
    Ministers, the President and Vice
    President have been reduced is not
    the answer to fiscal discipline and
    consolidation. The Hon Minister for
    Finance, in my view, has lost it.
    Mr Speaker, the President goes
    further to say that:
    “the steepest depreciation in their currencies to the US dollar
    over the last thirty (30) years; the
    fastest peak in interest rates for

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    over twenty (20) years; and the

    greatest threat of unemployment

    in peace time; with over a

    hundred million people being

    pushed into extreme poverty.”

    The only thing the President

    failed in doing was to say that he

    takes responsibility for creating this

    mess; that was the only thing he did

    not add.

    Mr Speaker, so our debt is

    unsustainable. Few years ago, when

    the Hon Minister for Finance, Mr

    Ken Ofori-Attah, appeared in this

    House, he proudly said that rating

    agencies were rating Ghana well and

    that we were B3 stable and were

    probable moving towards A. Today,

    whether it is Fitch Ratings or

    Moody's Investors Services or Standard and Poor Global Ratings,

    our rating — and I am going to point out his contradiction.

    In 2018, this is what he said and

    I quote:

    “Mr Speaker, over the last 10 months, Ghana's credit ratings witnessed some positive

    momentum after years of

    deterioration…”

    So, probably he would blame the

    National Democratic Congress (NDC)

    for the deterioration. Today, his has

    deteriorated more.

    Mr Speaker, although Moody

    affirms its September 2018 rating,

    Fitch Ratings maintains Ghana's B rating and changes the outlook from

    negative to stable. Today, what is

    Ghana's rating under Mr Ken Ofori- Atta? He hailed the sovereign ratings

    by Fitch Ratings and Moody's Investors Services, but he is now

    challenging their ratings about

    Ghana. When he was confronted with

    the facts and reality, he chose to

    challenge these credible international

    institutions, which have downgraded

    Ghana to CCC; which were worried

    about uncertain pace of fiscal

    consolidation; tight external debt

    service schedule; weaker near-term

    growth; and warned that inflation

    could peak, and indeed, it has peaked.

    Today, inflation is at 40.4 per cent

    and as I said, the Bank of Ghana is

    involved in emergency financing

    justified under the law but in breach

    of the threshold which is required of

    them. We trust that the Governor of

    the Bank of Ghana would maintain

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    his independence and credibility, and

    refuse and turn away the interference

    of the Hon Minister for Finance from

    wanting to railroad his way into

    having access to that.

    Mr Speaker, I am concluding. It

    is disconcerting to hear news about a

    GH₵100 million petroleum funds being used for unapproved expenditure.

    With respect, I refer you to section

    3(1) of the Petroleum Revenue

    Management Act 2011, (Act 815). It

    is explicit — I see former Hon Minister for Energy, Mr John Peter

    Amewu, he is familiar with this law

    and it states:

    “All Petroleum revenue due to the Republic derived from what-

    ever source shall be assessed,

    collected and accounted for by

    the Ghana Revenue Authority.”

    In addition, section 10 (15) of the

    Petroleum Exploration and Produc-

    tion Act 2016, (Act 919) is also clear

    that:

    “Any borrowing exceeding the cedi equivalent of thirty million

    United States Dollars for the

    purpose of exploration, develop-

    ment and production shall be

    approved by Parliament and

    shall be in consonance with the

    Petroleum Revenue Management

    Act, 2011 (Act 815).”

    The Hon Minister must account

    for this GH₵100 million because the Public Interest and Accountability

    Committee (PIAC) Report captures

    that they pay it without parliamentary

    approval. Mr Speaker, this is enough

    for him to say that he is not managing

    our public resources well. When it

    comes to contingent liability, I have

    dealt with the issue of Sinohydro; we

    do not have pepper to pay for the

    tomatoes we called, we would have to

    pay with money.

    Mr Speaker, today, they want us

    to believe them and when we say that

    the Hon Minister for Finance and his

    Data Bank benefited from some of

    these borrowings, we would all recall

    his Answer to a Question in

    Parliament here, when he shared the

    numbers of what Data Bank benefited

    from — So, Mr Speaker, his removal cannot wait, and I urge my Hon

    Colleagues from the opposite Side of

    the House to support the Minority

    Side of the House. We do not pretend,

    as the Minority, to have two-thirds

    Majority, we do not pretend; we do

    not have it. Ghanaians gave us 137

    but we pray that in the future, when

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    they realise that we stand with them

    and we reflect their aspirations and

    that we would not abandon them half

    way, they probably would stand with

    us in future.

    Mr Speaker, it is on the strength

    of this and on the strength of many

    variables including imports. How

    much we spend on imports, whether

    it is rice, chicken or oil, we are very

    capable of producing them in Ghana.

    It is the only point I agree with the

    President that we must cut the heavy

    imports; we should and we should

    support him. However, the President

    must come with far reaching policies

    and major investments in the

    agricultural sector for us to achieve

    that.

    Mr Speaker, there is the issue of

    trust and confidence. It is this same

    government which said they would

    not go to International Monetary

    Fund (IMF), yet, they are back to

    IMF. How can we believe them that

    they have a commitment to cut down

    imports?

    Mr Speaker, it is on the strength

    of this that today, I stand on behalf of

    these gallant men and women in the

    Minority and pray that the Hon

    Majority Leader who courageously

    have publicly manifested that there is

    worth in our demands for the exit of

    the Hon Minister, would stand firm

    with his public declaration. That

    public declaration would do

    parliamentary accountability and

    oversight a lot of good into the future

    that someday, we can stand together

    to censure and remove non-

    performing incompetent Ministers

    who mismanage this economy, lead

    our ordinary citizens into unaccep-

    table hardship and our concern is that,

    simply, there is no hope.

    Mr Speaker, I so move. [Hear!
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Members,
    having regard to the nature of
    Business on the Floor, I direct that we
    extend the time for holding of the
    Business beyond the prescribed

    Since the Hon Deputy Majority

    Leader has given an indication of a

    preliminary objection, I would like to

    hear that preliminary objection

    before we can proceed.

    Some Members — rose —
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with respect — [Interruption].

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    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minority
    Chief Whip?
    Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak
    Muntaka: Mr Speaker, I would like
    to draw your attention to Standing
    Order 81, and with due respect I read:
    “Unless otherwise provided in these Orders, every motion
    unless made at the Second
    Reading of Consideration Stage
    of a Bill, must be seconded, and
    if not seconded shall not be
    debated or entered in the Votes
    and Proceedings.”
    Mr Speaker, I was hoping to call
    your attention that the moving of the
    Motion is not complete until it is
    seconded and whether we could be
    mindful for it to be seconded before
    any other objection could be heard. I
    just want to draw your attention to it.
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Minority
    Chief Whip, we have not reached the
    stage of debate. If it is to be debated,
    definitely, it has to be seconded but in
    view of the indication of a
    preliminary objection, I would have
    to listen to the preliminary objection
    and then take the necessary action.
    Before we debate it, it has to be
    seconded; that is the word captured in
    the Standing Orders. The word is
    “debate”, and we have not reached there yet.
    Yes, Hon Deputy Majority
    Leader, can I listen to you?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with respect, I rise on the strength of
    article 4(a) of the 1992 Constitution
    which provides —
    Dr Dominic Akuritinga Ayine
    — rose —
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Majority Leader, I have seen Mr
    Dominic Ayine on his feet. Is there
    any —
    Dr Ayine 2:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to
    seek clarification from the Chair with
    respect to the practice and procedure
    of Parliament. I have looked through
    all the Standing Orders. There is no
    such expression as a preliminary
    objection.
    Mr Speaker, if an Hon Member
    is rising on his feet, that Hon Member
    is rising on a point of order unless the
    Hon Deputy Majority Leader is

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    saying that, in moving the Motion,

    the Hon Minority Leader breached

    any of the Orders of Parliament, he

    has no right of audience. That is my

    view of the law.

    Mr Speaker, thank you — [Hear! Hear!] —
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Dominic
    Ayine, there is vast difference between
    point of order and preliminary
    objection. I am sure you have not
    read the Hansard. If you have read
    the Hansard, you will find copious
    precedence of preliminary objections
    being raised on this Floor a number
    of times and being considered by
    various Speakers of the House.
    I have personally, as the former
    Hon Minority Leader, raised
    preliminary objections a number of
    times. As the former Hon Majority
    Leader, I did same and was
    considered. Others including the Late
    Hon J. H. Mensah— They are uncountable, and it includes the
    current President. So, it is the practice
    of the House, even though it is not
    stated in the Standing Orders.
    So, the preliminary objection
    must be on a point of law. One cannot
    just overlook it and say because it is
    not on a point of order, we should go
    on.
    So, let us listen to the Hon
    Member and then we do the proper
    thing. As I said, this is a very serious
    matter, it involves the revocation of
    the instrument of appointment of a
    Minister of State, and particularly,
    when it is dealing with a very serious
    matter; the state of our economy and
    what is happening in the country. I
    take this matter seriously, so let us go
    through the right Motion. At the end
    of the day, the decision will be taken.
    Hon Member, may I hear you?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    thank you for the opportunity. I rise
    fortified by article 3(4)(a) of the 1992
    Constitution which requires of me at
    all times to defend this Constitution.
    Mr Speaker, I may want to open
    the Constitution for my Hon
    Colleagues at the other Side of the
    aisle. [Uproar] —
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Members,
    please, let us listen to him.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with your leave, I will read the

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    provisions aloud, article 3(4)(a),

    provides;

    “All citizens of Ghana shall have the right and duty at all times — to defend this Constitution, and

    in particular, to resist any person

    or group of persons seeking to

    commit any of the acts referred

    to in clause (3) of this article;”

    Mr Speaker, on the strength of

    this provision, I raise my preliminary

    legal objection to the Motion moved

    by the Hon Minority Leader on the

    following grounds;

    1. That by considering this Motion, the Parliament of

    Ghana would be encroaching

    on the province of the

    judiciary acting ultra vires

    where it purports to sit and

    determine the veracity of the

    grievous allegations founding

    this Motion.

    2. That there would be a parliamentary attack on the

    constitutional requirement

    of a fair hearing if this

    House proceeds to hear

    debates and determine this

    Motion without first putting

    in place a detailed procedure

    for hearing the Minister in

    his defence.

    Mr Speaker, I am led by the Hon

    Majority Leader in raising this

    preliminary objection and I shall

    proceed to argue two of the grounds,

    and the Hon Majority Leader will

    come in to do further elucidation.
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Deputy
    Majority Leader, did I hear you say
    that you will raise the preliminary
    objection, put across your views and
    another person will come to support
    the preliminary objection? Did I hear
    you say that?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:20 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, you understand it better
    when I say that I am led — [Laughter] — What I mean to say is that we have a joint enterprise and I
    shall proceed with the argument, and
    then there would be elucidation. Mr
    Speaker, in other words, I would not
    exhaust all the grounds, but I will
    cede to the Hon Majority Leader, and
    all these will come as a result of your
    leave. But as it pleases you, for now,
    I will proceed with my rights as
    granted to proceed.
    Mr Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon Member, I
    think it is proper for you to raise it,

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    end it as preliminary objection, then

    we can proceed from there. You do

    not need to bring any other person to

    support— it means that you yourself, you are admitting that what you are

    going to put across will not be

    sufficient. Do not do so. Go ahead.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:50 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    as it pleases you. I proceed with
    ground one: the Ultra Vires of
    Parliament in seeking to pass a vote
    of censure on the Minister for
    Finance as provided for in article 82
    of the 1992 Constitution.
    Mr Speaker, some of the
    statements captured in the Motion
    paper includes: “Despicable conflict of interest ensuring that he directly
    benefits from Ghana's economic woes….” Mr Speaker, these are very severe allegations that require more
    evidence than the petitioner's allegation. It cannot be that a Minister
    of State would be brought here for
    censure when the grounds for such
    application have not been properly
    laid out.
    Mr Speaker, I do not want to be
    tempted into believing that my
    attempt at inviting this House to
    adopt laid down procedures as it is
    practised in our courts of which the
    Hon Minority Leader claims that they
    are inferio — I do not want to be tempted to believe that he does not
    believe in the due process that is
    practised in our courts. If Parliament
    adopts due process, it will ensure
    certainty, lead to legitimate
    expectations and lead to a situation of
    fair trial. I do not want to believe that
    the Hon Minority Leader today, is
    saying that bringing or introducing
    rules of court into this House is not
    acceptable.

    Mr Speaker, the provision in the

    1992 Constitution should not be

    confused with article 125 of the 1992

    Constitution.

    Mr Speaker, if we look at the

    allegations as tabled by them, they

    are more or less subjecting the Hon

    Minister to a trial. These are matters

    that upon proper scrutiny, are

    criminal in nature. The Hon Minister

    is a citizen of the Republic holding a

    public office, so if the Minority Side

    is so convinced that he has committed

    an offence or his conduct is criminal,

    there is a process to follow. They

    cannot, and I repeat - they cannot, rely on article 82 of the 1992

    Constitution to say that, indeed, they

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    are bringing a censure application to

    remove him from office. Mr Speaker,

    I daresay on that score that they

    would be arrogating to themselves or

    would be inviting this House to

    arrogate to itself judicial powers,

    which we do not have.

    Mr Speaker, even if we would

    want to constitute ourselves into a

    quasi-judicial and an administrative

    body for the purpose of conducting

    enquiry, we must be guided by article

    23 of the 1992 Constitution.

    Therefore, it is my contention that the

    conduct of the Minority Side, by way

    of outlining all those allegations

    without grounding same on facts,

    would be repugnant to good

    conscience and fairness should we

    proceed to hear them.

    Mr Speaker, we are not in any

    way attempting to say that we want to

    usurp the powers of the judiciary. If

    we look at the contents of the Motion

    on the Order Paper, clearly, with

    everything they are saying, their

    reliefs lie elsewhere, but not in this

    Chamber in the shape and form.

    Mr Speaker, for the avoidance of

    doubt, if they really want to exercise

    their power of oversight, they have an

    opportunity to file a Question, which

    would have given the Hon Minister

    an opportunity to respond for the fact

    to be known. As the Rt Hon Speaker

    said, censure is a very serious matter

    which we cannot allow trivialities to

    overtake.

    Mr Speaker, I shall proceed with

    ground two, which is parliamentary

    attack on fair hearing. For this

    purpose, I shall refer us to Orders

    106, 107, and 108 of the Standing

    Orders of Parliament. It is my case

    that Standing Order 106 provides a

    detailed procedure for the removal of

    Presidents, Vice Presidents,

    Speakers, and Deputy Speakers, and

    also makes mention of vote of

    censure on a Minister of State. If we

    come to Standing Order 106(2)(b), I

    beg to read:

    “…the notice shall be accompanied by a detailed

    statement of facts to prove that

    the conduct or the physical or

    mental capacity of the President

    or Vice President should be

    investigated”;

    Mr Speaker, by parity of

    reasoning — there is something called “parity of reasoning”. If we read the Standing Order 106(2)(a), it

    also talks about notice. If we move to

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance

    Standing Order 107, I would want to

    read subsections (a)(b) and (c), and

    this is what it says: Order 107 (a)

    talks about seven days' notice while (b) talks about the motion to be

    debated in 14 days; however, for

    emphasis, this is what the (c) says:

    “…prior proceedings shall be taken in a Committee appointed

    in that behalf. The Speaker or the

    Deputy Speaker shall be entitled

    to be heard in his defence either

    by himself or by a represent-

    tative.”

    Mr Speaker, Order 108 of the

    Standing Orders of Parliament

    specifically talks about censure. I

    contend that the lacuna found in

    Standing Order 108 could only be

    cured if by parity of reasoning, we

    apply the provisions in Standing

    Orders 106 and 107 mutatis

    mutandis. For emphasis, it is my

    submission that the supposed lacuna

    in Standing Order 108 could only be

    cured if we read Standing Orders 106

    and 107 together and apply the

    provisions therein mutatis mutandis;

    that is the only way we would ensure

    a fair hearing.

    Mr Speaker, after all, it is clear

    that since the 1992 Constitution made

    this provision, I do not want to say

    that we have failed, but as a House,

    we have not enacted in extenso to

    guide the rule of procedure to be

    followed. What is rule of law? Rule

    of law is about due process, rule of

    procedure, rule of fair hearing, and

    notice to the party whom an

    allegation is made against. Mr

    Speaker, we cannot say that by the

    1992 Constitution merely providing

    for us to move a Motion on censure,

    we would, therefore, arrogate that

    power and go ahead to file a motion

    on ex cathedra grounds, which is not

    grounded in reasoned facts and law,

    and then say that a public officer

    whose office this House approved

    should be dismissed or that his

    instrument of appointment should be

    revoked.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to refer

    us to the United States of America

    (USA), because we do not have a

    precedence in this House. The

    attempt that was made in 1999 was

    not carried through; therefore, let us

    go to the USA. In the USA, where a

    Bill of Impeachment is brought to the

    House by Members of Parliament,

    who are called “Managers”, the first step is for them to establish prima

    facie. By establishing prima facie,

    they go through a motion at the

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance

    Lower House, and going through the

    motion in the Lower House by one-

    third of votes, this is ferried to the

    second chamber — the Senate, where a full trial commences, with the Chief

    Justice of the USA presiding. In this

    case, the applicants, who are

    Members of Parliament are allowed

    as “the prosecutors”; they make their case and the party is heard.

    Mr Speaker, in our case, unlike

    the USA, who had the broader

    provision in their Constitution, they

    went a step further to enact a rule of

    procedure to guide the process. I dare

    ask my Hon Colleagues to tell us

    whether as a House, we have a rule of

    procedure to regulate censure. Maybe

    today, it is Mr Ken Ofori-Atta, so

    “Crucify him! Crucify him!"; but in 1999, when the issue arose — I have the comments, the veritable words

    used by the Hon Member for Zebilla,

    Mr Cletus Avoka, where he talked

    about the right of fair hearing. I have

    read it and I have it here. Where he

    argued forcefully with some

    nostalgic effects that the person must

    be heard and that the proper thing

    must be done.

    Mr Speaker, what is good for Mr

    Kwame Peprah is good for Mr Ken

    Ofori-Atta. What is sauce for the

    goose is sauce for the gander. We

    cannot construe this application to be

    properly before us. If we go ahead to

    consider this application, we would

    be doing a lot of injustice to our Hon

    Colleague.

    Mr Speaker, let us read article 23

    of the 1992 Constitution — [Interruption] — All right.

    Mr Speaker, article 19 of the

    1992 Constitution provides that:

    “(1) A person charged with a criminal offence shall be

    given a fair trial within a

    reasonable time by a court.”

    “(2) A person charged with criminal offences shall —

    (d) be informed immediately in

    a language that he

    understands, and in detail;

    and of the nature of the

    offence charged;”

    Again, by parity of reasoning,

    the Minority should not create any

    impression that anybody here or the

    Majority is against their Motion, but

    due process must be followed.

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member for

    Ajumako/Enyan/Essiam Constituency,

    Dr Cassiel Ato Baah Forson, is before

    a court of law. Is it the case that he

    has just been sent to prison? He

    cannot be sent to prison; he must be

    heard on the allegations and defend

    himself. All of us here are politicians;

    should anybody raise an allegation of

    corruption or any other thing, we

    expect, as our bona fide, to be given

    a fair hearing, and fair hearing

    includes all documents to be relied on

    by one's adversary, to be made available to him or her.

    Mr Speaker, again, let us look at

    article 19(2)(e) of the 1992

    Constitution, and I will use that as the

    override; we cannot place something

    on nothing. It reads:

    “(2) A person charged with a criminal offence —

    (e) be given adequate time and

    facilities for the preparation

    of his defence”.

    Mr Speaker, as it stands now, if

    this Motion is allowed to proceed,

    where there will be a debate, it would

    amount to injustice and unfairness, in

    the sense that the Hon Minister would

    not have been given adequate time to

    prepare for his defence. The grounds

    upon which the Motion was moved

    were not made available to the Hon

    Minister. Their so-called evidence

    has not been made available to the

    Hon Minister. Disclosure is an

    integral part of any civil or criminal

    jurisprudence.

    Recently, the Supreme Court of

    Ghana has ruled that prior to criminal

    trial, every document that the

    prosecution will rely on must be

    made available to the accused. How

    do we proceed to debate this Motion

    when even Hon Members of

    Parliament who are expected to vote

    upon this Motion do not have copies

    of the evidence upon which these

    Hon Members relied on. We are here

    and we are expected to vote.

    Mr Speaker, this is not the usual

    political talk or rhetoric. This is about

    the reputation of a Ghanaian citizen

    serving his country; this is about a

    fellow politician who is serving his

    country as a Hon Minister for

    Finance and who Hon Members of

    this House allege that he has

    committed certain infractions and

    offences, and they have documents

    with them so they expect that by

    merely raising the issue, we should

    trust their judgement enough, rely on

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    them and vote without having

    evidence and the ability to peruse that

    which they rely on. No justice system

    anywhere in a serious democracy will

    allow this.

    Mr Speaker, I would move on to

    article 23 of the 1992 Constitution,

    which reads:

    “Administrative bodies and administrative officials shall act

    fairly and reasonably and comply

    with requirement imposed on

    them by law and person

    aggrieved by the exercise of such

    acts and decisions shall have the

    right to seek redress before a

    court or other tribunal.”

    Mr Speaker, the emphasis is

    “fairness”, and if as Parliament we cannot grant such a sine qua non

    right, provided for in article 23 of the

    1992 Constitution and ensure its

    implementation and enforcement,

    especially when an Hon Minister for

    Finance is being put on fire, then,

    with the greatest of respect, we will

    not be doing justice to the 1992

    Constitution.

    Mr Speaker, above all, article

    296 is very profound — [Interruption] — I am surprised that some first- timers would want to intimidate me.

    If they are given even one minute, they cannot argue — [Interruption] — yet they can talk when they cannot make an argument for the record. I would want to sit down for them to come and argue. Can they? Article 296 of the 1992 Constitution requires of us, by parity of reasoning, not to be capricious, biased and unfair, but to be candid in our dealing with our fellow citizens.

    Mr Speaker, having stood on my

    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah Bonsu

    — rose —

    Some Hon Members — rose —
    Mr Speaker 3 p.m.
    Hon Members,
    please, Hon Majority Leader, resume your seat.
    We have heard the preliminary
    objection raised. Since I cannot participate in the debate, I would have to listen to Hon Members to give me a guide, so that I can give the appropriate ruling. The preliminary objection has been put across. I

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    completely disagree with a call on the Hon Majority Leader to support the preliminary objection because I did not allow the Motion moved to be seconded; therefore, the Motion is not yet before the House. Now, if a preliminary objection is raised, it could lead to the House taking a position that the Motion should not be before it. That is why I usually allow that before the secondment of the Motion because once the Motion is seconded, it is for debate, which means it is before the House.

    Now, one cannot, after giving us

    the grounds of his or her objection,

    only to which he or she has

    deliberated upon, call upon another

    person — if he or she had stated that the preliminary objection is being

    taken by a number of people and

    these are the number of grounds and

    that he or she is handling a number of

    them and then another will take the

    rest, then we are properly seized with

    it.

    However, Hon Members, do not

    let me repeat what others said. I

    would not want to do so.

    So, what I can do in the circum- stances, because I have heard you

    loud and clear on the two grounds, I will listen to a response to the preliminary objection and then I will give a ruling and we would move by that. The preliminary objection is all right. I have heard you; I want a response from the Minority Side. I will give a ruling and then we would proceed.

    Hon Majority Leader?
    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not intend to run counter to what you have just said. However, if indeed a Motion has been moved, the matter raised by the Hon Deputy Majority Leader was that he was raising preliminary objection to the debate. You granted him space. There are other areas in respect of the argument of the preliminary objection that he has raised that he wanted me to continue.
    Mr Speaker, you want somebody
    to respond to the objection. In that regard, would you be kind enough to, after the event, afford me space to fortify the preliminary objection? — [Interruption] — other than that, a preliminary objection is not a debate. I think you would get —
    Mr Speaker, nobody is throwing
    up hands in wild gesticulations. Hon

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    Deputy Minority Leader — look at him. The Hon Deputy Minority Leader cannot point to me with his left hand. He has changed his hand. He should not engage in wild gesticulations especially when he is at the front.

    Mr Speaker, I am just appealing

    that if you grant him space then,

    perhaps, you have to also grant me

    space to fortify it. Other than that if

    you are according him space to

    respond to the objections then,

    perhaps, we can put everything

    together, if he has any objections,

    responds to all of them. I think that

    would be most fair. That is my appeal

    to you: either you grant me space to

    continue to the preliminary object-

    tions or afford me space and then I

    come back. However, I think that it

    would be tidier if you are granting

    him space to respond, to grant me

    space to continue then — not to debate, but to continue on the path of

    the objection.

    Mr Speaker, that is the appeal I

    am making to you.
    Mr Speaker 3 p.m.
    Hon Majority
    Leader, do not anticipate what I will
    do. I will do what is right.
    As I told you, I take a very serious view of this Motion, so I would not curtail any debate unlawfully, unconstitutionally, something that is against our rules and practice. So, I just want to handle the preliminary objection that has been raised and usually, when a preliminary objection is raised, the other Side is given the opportunity to respond. That is exactly what I am trying to do. Then from there, we proceed. So please, be assured that if you want to even participate in the whole debate, you have the opportunity to do so.
    Yes, Hon Member?
    Mr Mahama Ayariga (NDC —
    Bawku Central): Mr Speaker, thank you. — [Interruption] —
    Mr Speaker, we have heard the
    arguments informing the preliminary objections and as we have heard, they are constitutional in nature.
    One, he argues about a right to
    fair trial. I thought that since he last shed off his gown and wig, and started wearing batakari and hat to preside, the Hon Afenyo-Markin would have realised that this is not a court of law — [Laughter]— but in spite of that, he still seeks to transform this Chamber into a court of law.

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    Mr Speaker, this is a Motion on

    a vote of censure. The Motion on the

    vote of censure is clearly provided for

    and defined in the Constitution. The

    procedures are clearly outlined in the

    1992 Constitution and no one can

    derogate from those constitutional

    provisions, especially if you

    remember the recent case of Justice

    Abdullai that, we cannot, even in our

    Standing Orders derogate from the

    express provisions of the Consti-

    tution regarding our procedures.

    So, it is clear that for a Motion of

    censure, these are the procedures

    under article 82 of the 1992

    Constitution and those have been

    complied with. The Hon Member's concern in his preliminary objection

    is about the right to be heard.

    Unfortunately, for him, the right to be

    heard is equally provided for, in

    article 82 of the 1992 Constitution and

    Mr Speaker, with your kind

    permission, let me read article 82 of

    the 1992 Constitution and I hope that

    if Hon Afenyo-Markin refused to

    listen to the Hon Minority Leader, he

    would not refuse to listen to me. This

    is because the Hon Minority Leader

    was clear when he made reference to

    articles 82(3) and (4) of the 1992

    Constitution and it reads:

    “(3) The motion shall be debated in Parliament within fourteen

    days after the receipt by the

    Speaker of the notice for the

    motion.”
    Mr Speaker, article 82 (4) read 3:10 p.m.
    “A Minister of State in respect of whom a vote of censure is
    debated under clause
    (3) of this article is entitled,
    during the debate, to be
    heard in his defence.”
    Mr Speaker, the Motion if
    moved, during the debate, the Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader can insist on
    the right of the Hon Minister to be
    heard — [Interruption] —
    Mr Speaker, they raised issues of
    notice and we know the practice of
    this House. Article 111 of the 1992
    Constitution provides that a Minister
    of State is a non-voting member of
    this House. Now, everybody in this
    House knows that under our Standing
    Orders and by our practice and
    procedures, notices are served in the
    Order Paper and the notice was
    published severally and that is why
    the 1992 Constitution provides clear
    timelines so that we do not surprise a

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    Minister. That is why there must be

    a seven-day notice and that the debate

    must take place within 14 days. There

    are clear timelines so that any Hon

    Minister who is the subject of the

    vote of censure would have adequate

    notice of what is going to happen.

    Mr Speaker, I would be surprised

    if we have an Hon Majority Leader

    and a Deputy Majority Leader, a

    Majority Leader who is also a

    Minister for Parliamentary Affairs

    and attends Cabinet meetings. There

    is a Motion on the vote of censure

    against the Minister for Finance and

    he has failed to serve notice on that

    Finance Minister that there is a

    Motion on a vote of censure against

    him and then he would come to this

    House and tell us that because the

    Finance Minister has not received

    notice of that Motion, we should not

    proceed with that Motion. I would be

    very surprised.

    Indeed, when we were approving

    the Hon Minister for Parliamentary

    Affairs, we assumed that his most

    important role is to liaise between

    Parliament and the Executive. Is he

    saying that he has failed to

    communicate to the Hon Minister for

    Finance that there is a Motion calling

    for a censure against the Hon Finance

    Minister who is already an Hon

    Member of the House?

    Lastly, Mr Speaker —
    Mr Speaker 3:10 p.m.
    Order!
    Hon Members, I would take a
    five-minute suspension, I would be
    back.
    3.11 p.m. — Sitting Suspended
    3.16 p.m. — Sitting Resumed
    Mr Speaker 3:10 p.m.
    Hon Member for
    Bawku Central, you may continue.
    Mr Ayariga 3:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    second grounds on which the Hon
    Member argues is that if this Motion
    is allowed and in the absence of the
    Minister for Finance responding to
    the issues raised, we would be
    violating the Hon Minister's right to fair trial, a right that he claims the
    Minister for Finance has in this
    House.
    Mr Speaker, this is not a court
    nor a trial. This is a Parliament. In a
    Parliament, we move Motions.
    Motions are clearly defined in our

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    Standing Orders: saying that we

    should do something or expressing an

    opinion.

    The opinion we are expressing is

    that the Hon Minister for Finance is

    incompetent and incapable, has

    mismanaged the finances of this

    country and therefore, should be

    removed. That is the opinion we are

    expressing, and we want the other

    Side to join us in expressing that

    opinion.

    Mr Speaker, we are not saying

    that the Hon Minister should be

    convicted and sentenced to a term of

    imprisonment. We are saying that he

    is incompetent and incapable of

    managing the finances of this

    country, and therefore, he should be

    removed. Our article of appointment

    should be revoked.

    This is not a court. This is not transforming this Parliament into a court, and so the issue about fair trial does not arise. In any case, as I argued earlier, this is a Motion, and a debate that is going to take place, and he has the opportunity to be heard. No one has denied him that opportunity. The Hon Minority Leader has not tied him somewhere and prevented him from coming to this House today to defend

    himself. He ought to be here to defend himself.

    Mr Speaker, when the Hon

    Deputy Majority Leader speaks about this House not having powers to investigate matters and that it is only a court of law that has judicial powers, that is a clear misunder- standing of the 1992 Constitution. This 1992 Constitution gives quasi- judicial powers to this Parliament.

    Quasi-judicial powers have been

    given to this Parliament. That is why if we look at article 103 of the 1992 Constitution, it is obvious and express. Article 103 deals with committees of Parliament and says that:

    “A committee appointed under this article shall have the powers, rights and privileges of the High Court or a Justice of the High Court at a trial…”

    Mr Speaker, so, judicial power is

    not exclusively given to the Judiciary. The Parliament has quasi- judicial powers, and if Parliament deems it necessary to probe into certain matters in a judicial way, Parliament has a mechanism to do

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    that, and that is what I would like the Deputy Majority Leader to understand. So, Mr Speaker, his objection is founded on article 3 of the 1992 Constitution. Article 3 of the 1992 Constitution does not arise at all. When he rose, he said that he was premising his preliminary objection on article 3(4). In fact, he started with article 4(a), and when we corrected him, he came back and said article 3(4). Article 3(4) only deals with attempts to overthrow the 1992 Constitution. Who is trying to overthrow the Constitution in this Chamber today? Article 3 talks about an attempt to overthrow the 1992 Constitution and the duty of everyone to defend this 1992 Constitution. No one in this Chamber is seeking to overthrow the 1992 Constitution. If anything at all, there is someone in this Chamber who is seeking to mutilate the under-standing of the 1992 Constitution. The 1992 Constitution does not deny a minister who is a subject of a vote of censure a right to even fair trial, if you would like to call it “fair trial” because the Constitution says that he must be heard in a debate, and we have not got to the debate yet. So, allow the Motion to be seconded, so that when we move to debate, then you can bring him. He can bring the bible along. He can bring any document and defend himself.

    Mr Speaker, I believe that this

    preliminary objection is baseless; it

    has no legs to stand; it does not rely

    on any provision of the 1992

    Constitution; it finds no favour with

    any provisions of our Standing

    Orders. It is just as incompetent as the

    person we are seeking to remove. I

    invite you to dismiss this preliminary

    objection and let us move on with the

    serious Business of the House today.

    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 3:40 p.m.
    Hon Members,
    enough is enough. Let me assure all
    of you that the Hon Minister for
    Finance will be given ample
    opportunity to defend himself.
    [Hear! Hear!] There is a vast
    difference between censure and
    removal. Censureship is done
    because the person is appointed by an
    Instrument of appointment, and that
    process is handled by Parliament and
    His Excellency the President.
    Members of Parliament and the
    President are not appointed; they are
    elected by the people. Both are
    elected. The Vice President supports
    the President. During the four-year
    term, the people do not have the
    opportunity to come back to
    reconsider the decision they made in
    electing us, and that authority is

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    enshrined in the people's House called Parliament. So, we are given

    the power to remove a Member or the

    President or the Vice President. Our

    election is not through an Instrument.

    We come in through votes, and we

    swear an oath, and that is why in the

    1992 Constitution and our Standing

    Orders, the provisions are different.

    Before the President can revoke the

    appointment, the Minister or Deputy

    Minister is to come before where it all

    started. The ladder that you climb is

    the same ladder you have to go down

    through.

    So, you start with Parliament,

    and then Parliament, through some

    constitutional appeal to the President,

    calling on him — that is why it is not “shall”. It says “may” revoke the appointment of the Minister. So, they

    are different. But premising your

    preliminary objection on the 1992

    Constitution, you know definitely

    well that I do not have that authority

    to interpret and enforce the

    Constitution. My authority is to

    interpret and enforce the rules of the

    House, the Standing Orders. So, I

    cannot give an opinion on the issue of

    the constitutional provision that has

    been cited. I cannot interpret them; I

    cannot enforce them because I am not

    part of the Judiciary. What I can do at

    this time is to allow the Motion to be

    seconded. I will give an opportunity

    for it to be responded to and in

    accordance with our Standing Orders

    because I am guided by the Standing

    Orders, which I can interpret, the

    matter would be referred to an ad hoc

    Committee to investigate, where the

    Hon Minister would have the ample

    opportunity to defend himself, and

    what our Hon Colleague said cannot

    constitute evidence. The evidence

    would be placed before the

    Committee. The Hon Minister would

    have the opportunity to defend

    himself. A Report would be

    presented to the House and we would

    debate that Report.

    Hon Members, I said today, 10th

    November, 2022, is historic. The first

    Motion in the nature of a removal of

    a Minister, who was another Minister

    for Finance was on the 10th of

    November, 1999. So, the same 10th of

    November is today. Now, that debate

    took a number of days. It started on

    the 10th of November and ended on

    the 12th of November and a decision

    was taken. But that, as I said, was of

    a moral persuasion. It was a Motion

    to address a public interest, an urgent

    public concern, but this one is

    constitutional. It is more serious. So,

    you will get ample opportunity to

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    dilate and present your evidence, and

    the Hon Minister would be given the

    opportunity to defend himself. Do not

    forget that in our Standing Orders, it

    is provided that the Hon Minister can

    appear before the Committee with a

    counsel. A counsel cannot appear on

    the floor of the House. It has to be at

    the level of a committee, and that is

    why when you go through Order 106

    (1) of the Standing Orders, it reads:

    “The House may pass a resolution to remove the

    President, the Vice President,

    Mr. Speaker and Deputy

    Speakers and a vote of censure

    on a Minister of State. The

    House may consider such motion

    and come to a decision or refer it

    to a committee on a motion made

    by any Member.”

    And that is why I will be

    referring it to a committee because

    the Hon Minister is entitled to appear

    before the Committee with a counsel.

    That would also give the applicants

    the opportunity to put across the

    evidence at their disposal, then the

    Committee would report to the House

    for decision to be taken.

    Hon Members, please, these are

    serious businesses. We have not had

    any copious, detailed layout/procedure.

    We are guided by the 1992

    Constitution and our Standing Orders

    and we would go accordingly. So,

    please, with all due respect to my

    Hon Colleague, my son, the Hon

    Member for Effutu, I dismiss your

    preliminary objection and would call

    on the Hon Minority Chief Whip to

    second the Motion, then I would

    come back to the Majority Side to

    respond before the referral to the Ad

    Hoc Committee.

    So, please, Hon Minority Chief

    Whip, you may now second the

    Motion.

    Minority Chief Whip (Alhaji

    Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka):

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.

    Mr Speaker, I rise to second the

    Motion ably moved by the Hon

    Minority Leader as advertised on

    pages 5 and 6 of today's Order Paper.

    Mr Speaker, to do so, permit me

    to just repeat the items numbered 6

    and 7 in the Motion and Mr Speaker,

    the

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    “6 Alarming incompetence and frightening ineptitude resulting

    in the collapse of the

    Ghanaian economy and an

    excruciating cost of living

    crisis; and

    7 Gross mismanagement of the

    Ghanaian economy which

    has occasioned untold and

    unprecedented hardship.”

    Mr Speaker, where did we start

    with the Hon Minister for Finance?

    Mr Speaker, we started with the

    Hon Minister for Finance on the

    Budget Statement he read to this

    House on behalf of His Excellency,

    the President, in 2017 and with your

    permission, I quote paragraph 19,

    page 3 of the 2017 Budget Statement.

    Mr Speaker, with your permission,

    I quote:

    “Mr Speaker, the Budget will set the pace for job creation and

    accelerated growth by empowering

    the private sector. To accomplish

    this, we will shift the focus of

    economic management from

    taxation to production. This will

    reduce the cost of doing business

    and create a conducive climate

    for investment and job creation.

    In this regard, a number of taxes

    that impedes growth will be

    reviewed, and if necessary,

    abolished. Government will

    reverse the recent low growth

    trend by boosting agriculture and

    industrial productivity.”

    Mr Speaker, I quote again from

    pages 2 and 3, paragraph 14, of the

    same 2017 Budget Statement:

    “This commitment however, is hampered by five constraints

    which we need to overcome:

    • low revenue collection;

    • expenditure overruns and corruption;

    • high wage bill;

    • rigidity of fiscal structure caused by heavy earmarking

    of tax revenue; and

    • high debt service payments.”

    Mr Speaker, this was where Mr

    Ken Ofori-Atta started with us. He

    told us these were the problems he

    was going to deal with, and six years

    down the line, where are we?

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    Mr Speaker, this is the Hon

    Finance Minister that has moved our

    debt from, averagely, GH₵120 billion to over GH₵500 billion. This is the Hon Finance Minister that has

    moved our debt servicing from

    GH₵14.1 billion in 2016 to, averagely, about GH₵48 billion in 2022. This is the Hon Finance

    Minister that has moved our wage bill

    from approximately GH₵14.8 billion in 2016 to now, GH₵37 billion in 2022. How did this Government

    balloon the wage bill?

    Mr Speaker, right from the

    Presidency, the number of

    Presidential Staffers has increased

    from 300 staffers to over 995 staffers

    in 2022, as reported to this

    honourable House in 2021. In almost

    all the public agencies, you would

    find persons that have been engaged

    just because they are party

    apparatchiks who do not really have

    anything to do. A clear example is

    our Metropolitan, Municipal and

    District assemblies. There are district

    assemblies that have as many as 14

    Assistant Directors, others have 18

    and these Assistant Directors

    alternate in coming to the office.

    Mr Speaker, this is the Hon

    Minister who is claiming that all the

    sufferings we are faced with today is

    as a result of COVID-19. This is the

    Hon Minister for Finance who took

    advantage of the COVID-19 situation

    and got in excess of GH₵22 billion that was supposed to support the

    economy. This is the only country,

    probably, one of the few countries in

    the world, where during the COVID-

    19 pandemic, while Ministers of

    Finance were doing everything they

    could to support their citizens, in our

    country, this is the Hon Minister for

    Finance who decided to task the

    citizenry because of COVID-19. So,

    we have the COVID-19 Levy.

    Mr Speaker, this Hon Minister

    for Finance has made it a habit to

    avoid coming to this House even

    when he has duties to perform here.

    Today is a typical example of the Hon

    Minister for Finance, deliberately,

    refusing to be present.

    Mr Speaker, this is the Hon

    Minister for Finance who

    deliberately falsified figures just to

    create the impression that everything

    was going on well.

    Mr Speaker, if you took the

    Budget and the reporting he has done

    to the International Monetary Fund

    (IMF) and the World Bank, in 2018,

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    the Hon Minister reported to this

    House that the fiscal deficit was 3.9

    per cent of Gross Domestic Product

    (GDP). When he now had to report to

    the World Bank, the actual figure

    reported was 7.1 per cent of GDP.

    Mr Speaker, in 2019, the Hon

    Minister reported to this House that

    the fiscal deficit was 4.8 per cent of

    GDP, when the actuals are now to be

    reported to the IMF and World bank,

    it is 7.1 per cent of GDP. In 2022, he

    reported to this House that the fiscal

    deficit was 11.7 per cent but when he

    was confronted to report the truth, the

    actual is 17.2 per cent. In 2021, he

    reported to this House that the fiscal

    deficit was 9.2 per cent when the

    actual was 12.4 per cent. For the first-

    half year in 2022, the fiscal deficit is

    5.6 per cent above the target of 3.9

    per cent.

    Mr Speaker, what are we waiting

    to see from this Minister before we

    would all believe the time for him to

    exit is now? This was the Hon

    Minister who, emphatically, told the

    whole world that Ghana would never

    go to the IMF. Yes, it is said that

    “only a fool does not change his mind” but the Hon Minister said this with emphasis and today, we are at

    the IMF.

    Mr Speaker, I am reliably

    informed that he is part of the

    impediment that is preventing us

    from completing the negotiations

    with the IMF. There are senior

    economists in this country stating this

    for a fact. A typical example is Mr

    Kwame Pianim who says that this

    Minister for Finance is hindering the

    progress that Ghana has to make with

    the IMF.

    Mr Speaker, poverty, as reported

    by the World Bank, is growing very

    fast in Ghana due to this incompetent

    Minister for Finance. I must say that

    the time to act is now. On this excuse

    that the Hon Minister for Finance

    should be allowed to finish with the

    IMF negotiations, present the Budget

    Statement and the Appropriation Bill,

    you and I know that it does not take

    just one person to complete these

    processes. Two years ago, when the

    Hon Minister was not available, the

    Hon Majority Leader read the Budget

    Statement. The Budget Statement of

    this country did not collapse. There

    are technical people who prepare this

    Budget Statement; it is not the Hon

    Minister for Finance. If he is removed

    from office today, the Budget

    Statement of this country will not

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    collapse. There are equally technical

    people who will carry on for the next

    person to carry the mantle.

    Mr Speaker, I would refer you to

    the day that this Motion was filed.

    With just the announcement of the

    possibility of the Minister for Finance

    being removed from office, you

    yourself acknowledged it in your seat

    that our currency started gaining its

    strength, and at least, for the past two

    weeks that the whole country has

    been waiting for today, we are seeing

    some seeming stability. Our failure,

    today, to remove the Minister for

    Finance from office, would continue

    to hurt each and everyone of us; it

    would continue to hurt our

    constituents, the economy and

    businesses. Businesses are collapsing

    and ordinary citizens are now

    struggling to feed themselves. This is

    a responsibility for all of us.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to urge

    my Hon Colleagues, especially the

    “Rambo 80”, to have at the back of their mind that they have a reason for

    rebelling. They know that this is a

    Minister for Finance who does not

    listen. They know the efforts that they

    have made several times to get him to

    do the right things and he refused.

    Those are the reasons that led them to

    rebel. I can assure them that if they

    backtrack, they would regret it,

    because they know the kind of

    President and the family that he has.

    They will surely go after them. It is

    better that, today, they help us to

    remove him from office. It would

    give them mileage and make people

    believe them. Today, they need to

    justify all the rumours that circulated

    that people made an attempt to bribe

    them. They need to prove to the

    world that they were never bribed or

    influenced, and truly, their move to

    get the Minister for Finance removed

    from office is not out of hatred, but

    simply on the basis of principle. They

    should keep to the principle today.

    Mr Speaker, this is a Minister for

    Finance who has deliberately and

    consistently, throughout his tenure,

    been dragging his feet when it comes

    to the release of statutory funds that

    Parliament has approved. Some of

    these statutory funds are

    constitutional, and some are by

    legislation of this House. This

    Minister for Finance deliberately

    frustrates these statutory funds so that

    they are not able to perform. One of

    the constitutional ones is the District

    Assemblies Common Fund (DACF).

    As we speak today, the arrears of the

    DACF is over GH₵3.9 billion. With

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    the Ghana Education Trust Fund

    (GETFund), the arrears is over GH₵3 billion, and that of the National

    Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) is

    well over GH₵2 billion. Mr Speaker, this is a Minister for Finance that we

    must remove from office.

    The Hon Minority Leader said

    that: “We have the men! We have the men! We have the men!”. We heard the Vice President scream, “What a solid team! What a solid team! What

    a solid team!” Today, when the real challenges came, we have now come

    to realise that apparently, it was not

    the men they had; they were just

    “area boys” because they are not able to confront the real challenges of our

    country.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to end

    with reference to article 82 of the

    1992 Constitution. Article 82 (4) is

    very clear. As I conclude, I would

    like to urge you, being in the Chair,

    to be mindful of article 82 (4) which

    says that:

    “A Minister of State in respect of whom a vote of censure is

    debated under clause (3) of this

    article is entitled, during the

    debate, to be heard in his

    defence.”

    Mr Speaker, the catchword is “during the debate”. I did not get the opportunity or the privilege to attend Presbyterian Boys Secondary School (PRESEC), Legon, neither did I get the privilege to attend Achimota School, but I believe “during the debate” means during the debate, and it is after seconding the Motion that the Hon Minister is supposed to be heard.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to refer

    the House to Standing Orders 106 and 108 which are very clear. In the case of Standing Order 108, it is virtually a verbatim lifting of article 82(4) of the 1992 Constitution. The interesting thing is with Standing Order 106, and with your permission, I beg to quote. It says:

    “The House may pass a resolution to remove the President, the Vice President, Mr Speaker and Deputy Speakers and a vote of censure on a Minister of State…”

    My emphasis is here:

    “…The House may consider such motion and come to a decision or refer it to a Committee on a motion made by any Member.”

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    With all humility and respect to

    you, in this text, nowhere did it say

    that Mr Speaker would refer the

    matter to any Ad-hoc Committee; it

    says that the House may take a

    decision, and decision, in this House,

    is taken by vote. If any Hon Member

    can move a Motion that a matter

    should be referred to a committee, it

    is for the decision of this House. That

    is what Standing Order 106 is saying,

    and therefore we would have to vote

    on it —
    Mr Speaker 3:40 p.m.
    Hon Minority
    Chief Whip, you are completely out
    of order— [Hear! Hear!] Please, I do not take my rulings lightly. You are
    attacking my ruling, and I think you
    do not have that authority to do so. If
    you want to attack my ruling, come
    by a substantive Motion. Your
    understanding of “during the debate” — debate of matters before the House is not only during plenary session. At
    the Committee level, what we do
    there is to debate. That is why when
    you agree at the Committee level and
    you come and put across the case in
    the House, we do not spend time in
    debating again. That is why the same
    rules that apply to plenary apply to
    the Committee level. [Pause]. When
    you talk about decision, yes, the
    decision is taken by the House; the
    decision is not taken by the Rt Hon
    Speaker, but Standing Order 106
    says: “… or refer it to a committee on a motion made by any Member.” The Motion for censure would have to be
    made by an Hon Member, and then it
    would be referred to a Committee.
    That is exactly what I said I am going
    to do.
    Some Hon Members 3:40 p.m.
    Withdraw
    and apologise.
    Mr Speaker 3:40 p.m.
    You may go on.
    Alhaji Muntaka 3:40 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with the greatest of respect to your
    Office, “the House” is defined, in this Standing Orders, as Parliament.
    Parliament is this Chamber, with the
    275 Hon Members — [Interruption] When it refers to a decision, —
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Member, please, the House cannot be constituted without a Rt Hon Speaker. You must understand that it is when a Speaker is presiding, then, it becomes a House. You cannot have this Chamber with 275 Hon Members seated and call yourself a House. You must move away from the understanding that you are the

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    Alhaji Muntaka 3:50 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I hope I have your permission to continue to speak.
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Yes, you have my permission, but I think that you have to withdraw what you said —
    Alhaji Muntaka 3:50 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so long as I hold this Standing Orders —
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Member, you have to withdraw it and apologise — [Uproar]
    Some Hon Member 3:50 p.m.
    Withdraw and apologise.
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    resume your seat!
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  • Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Members, I
    direct that all that the Hon Minority
    Chief Whip said after I told him to
    withdraw and apologise be expunged
    from the records. I so direct the
    Hansard to expunge everything from
    the record.
    Hon Minority Chief Whip, you
    have a difficulty in catching my eye
    again.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 3:50 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I moved the Motion, and it
    has been seconded by the Hon
    Minority Chief Whip. Normally, we
    would hear you state that “Motion as moved and seconded, is for the
    consideration of the House”. If you do so before listening to the Hon
    Majority Leader, I would be happy.
    That will make us know that we have
    a competent Motion before the
    House, before you take any conse-
    quential action.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Minority
    Leader, I thought the good thing for
    you to have done was to have
    apologised on behalf of your — please —
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 3:50 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    I apologise on behalf of the Hon
    Minority Chief Whip.

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    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Members, the Minority Leader is right in drawing my attention to the fact that I should have stated: “Motion moved and seconded, it is now for the consideration of the House”. That is the right thing and I will do so.
    Question proposed.
    Majority Leader (Mr Osei
    Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu): Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for the opportunity. I take a cue from the indication that you gave that at the end of it, the Motion shall have to be referred to a Committee.
    Mr Speaker, with your indulgence,
    I would want to raise issues with respect to the preliminary objection that I said I was going to raise. The Motion is predicated on article 82 of the 1992 Constitution, and the Hon Minority Leader has given us that indication.
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  • An Hon Member 3:50 p.m.
    No! You are
    misleading the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:50 p.m.
    I am
    misleading the House? I have the evidence here —[Interruption] What is here? Mr Speaker, it is here; let us look at —
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu — rose —
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Majority

    Hon Leaders, please, resume

    your seats.

    Hon Members, the Motion that

    was filed completely complied with the law, and I admitted it. There is no question about that. Hon Majority Leader, the Motion has been moved and seconded, and it is now before the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:50 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I have made the distinction so, I will move on — [Interruption] —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:50 p.m.
    Withdraw what? I am talking to facts on the Order Paper. What should be withdrawn?
    Mr Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon Members,

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    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would not challenge it; I
    will go on.
    The Constitution that the Hon
    Member quoted, article 82(4),
    provides — and that is where he predicated his — Mr Speaker, it says:
    “A Minister of State in respect of whom a vote of censure is
    debated under clause (3) of this
    article is entitled, during the
    debate, to be heard in his
    defence.”
    Mr Speaker, if we submit to the
    1992 Constitution, the right to be
    heard includes the right to be heard
    either by himself or by an elected
    counsel. The Hon Member can shake
    his head article 69(7) of the 1992
    Constitution is explicit on this when
    it comes to dealing with the
    President. It provides, in respect of a
    Motion of Censure or an impeach-
    ment Motion on the President, that:
    “The President shall be entitled during the proceedings of the
    tribunal or of the medical board
    to be heard in his defence by
    himself or by a lawyer or other
    expert…”
    Mr Speaker, the right to be heard
    includes the right to be heard by
    counsel. This is fundamental.
    Therefore, if my Hon Colleague, the
    Hon Member for Bawku Central,
    says that service — He is even talking about service, and he says that the
    Hon Minister for Parliamentary
    Affairs should give notice to the Hon
    Minister for Finance once a Motion is
    moved. This is a tragedy. If that is the
    understanding of an Hon Member of
    Parliament who has served here for
    more than four terms that I have the
    responsibility to ferry Motions to
    Hon Ministers, that is very
    unfortunate.
    Mr Mahama Ayariga — rose —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, article 12 —
    Mr Speaker 4 p.m.
    Hon Majority
    Leader, I would not have stopped you
    because you are in full flight, but you
    mentioned the name of the Hon
    Member for Bawku Central. If you
    had stood up, I would have given you
    the opportunity. So, let me hear him,
    then I will come back to you.

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    Mr Ayariga 4 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority Leader mentions my
    name and in addition says that my understanding of the Constitution is tragic —
    Mr Speaker 4 p.m.
    Hon Member,
    what did he say?
    An Hon Member 4 p.m.
    That is your word.
    Mr Ayariga 4 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that my understanding of the Constitution
    is tragic, and that a supposed four- term Hon Member of this House has such an understanding of the
    An Hon Member 4 p.m.
    That is a sin.
    Mr Ayariga 4 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that the Hon Majority Leader, who I know is an Hon Friend of mine,
    and whose knowledge of Parliamentary procedure I admire, but whose deficiency in the Law is also well
    established, — [Laughter] — should not be saying such things.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority Leader cannot refer to article 69,
    which deals with the procedure for removing a President where the issue is medical, if it is on health grounds
    and mental capacity, and the 1992
    Constitution requires that we set up a medical board. It is in such an
    instance that the 1992 Constitution says that when the President is appearing before such a board, he is
    entitled to send either a lawyer, an expert or any other person who can help him.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority
    Leader cannot try to extrapolate and
    say that article 82, which is equally
    clear on a vote of censure — and you made it very clear that we should
    understand that a vote of censure is
    not the same as vote of removal. It is
    just censure, which is to say that we
    do not like what the Hon Minister is
    doing and recommend that he should
    be removed. We are not the ones to
    remove the Hon Minister.
    Mr Speaker, therefore, article 82
    is very clear that the Hon Minister has a right to be heard, and to be heard during the debate. The Hon Majority
    Leader cannot say that the right to be heard means that the Hon Minister should come along with a counsel.
    Assuming the Rt Hon Speaker is not magnanimous enough to refer the matter to a committee, and says that
    the Hon Minister should come and defend himself here, where would the lawyer get the platform to defend the

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    Hon Minister for Finance in this Chamber?

    He is not the President. The problem we have in this country is

    that some have transformed him into a President. That is why we are suffering the way we are suffering.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority Leader should withdraw what he

    said.
    Mr Speaker 4 p.m.
    Hon Members,
    please let us have a decorous debate. Let us be decent in the choice of words. Let us respect each other's views. However, for the issue of counsel, look at Standing Order 201. It guides us on the issue of counsel,
    not the 1992 Constitution. The 1992 Constitution deals with other areas, but the Standing Order 201, where we
    have Committees inquiring into matters, they can even call the Attorney-General to assist. The
    witness can come with a counsel. We want the person to be heard properly, and I do not think that it can be done
    here. All that you have stated here are allegations. When you appear before the Committee, you will now produce
    evidence, and the Hon Minister will
    counter. The Hon Minority Leader, in moving the Motion, referred to some
    of the areas from which you can get the evidence, and therefore, he will bring that to the Committee. He talked
    about Public Interest Accountability Committee (PIAC) report, among others. We cannot take what he has
    said as the gospel truth. It is that evidence that will come before the Committee. The Committee will go
    through it, and then, in the Report, they will quote it. Then we will have better grounds to debate. That is how
    this issue should be handled.
    Hon Majority Leader, your Hon
    Colleague was not happy with some
    of your choice of words, when you
    said he was supposed to be a four-
    term Hon Member of Parliament. Is
    he or is he not? Is he “supposed” to be?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, respectfully, we heard what
    the Hon Member —
    Mr Speaker 4 p.m.
    I will come to that.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4 p.m.
    When
    he said that we had mutilated the
    understanding of the 1992
    Constitution — [Interruption] — It was from him. The Hon Member for
    Bawku Central said so. So, when I

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    say that his own understanding and

    interpretation is tragic, why can he

    not take that? He also said that I have

    a deficiency in law. We know the

    lawyers of substance in this country.

    Certainly, it does not include him.
    Mr Speaker 4 p.m.
    Hon Majority
    Leader, you know the practice. If you
    had stood up and raised an objection,
    I would have listened to you, and I
    would have overruled him. You did
    not, but he has taken the opportunity
    to raise concerns about it, and that has
    to be addressed.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:10 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I think that we will depart
    from that. I was raising preliminary
    objections, and I spoke about articles
    82 and 67(9) — with article 67(9), I said that by parity of reasoning, the
    right to be heard includes the right to
    be represented by a counsel, and that
    was the point I was making. Indeed,
    the 1992 Constitution, in article
    12(1), if I may read, provides:
    “The fundamental human rights and freedoms enshrined in this
    Chapter shall be respected and
    upheld by the Executive,
    Legislature, and Judiciary…”
    The rights of citizens, including
    Hon Ministers, should be upheld by
    the Legislature. Mr Speaker,
    therefore, I was just saying that the
    right to be heard, which includes the
    right to be heard through a lawyer,
    must be upheld by this House.

    When the 1992 Constitution of

    Ghana provides in article 82(4) that

    he has a right to be heard, the Hon

    Member thinks that the right to be

    heard by a counsel should not be

    included. That is where I disagree

    with him.

    Mr Speaker, the very preamble

    of the 1992 Constitution which

    expresses the vision of this State, in

    fact, obligates us in the preamble to

    subscribe and commit to the rule of

    law. The point that has been raised by

    the Deputy Majority Leader is that

    we should comply with this. Some of

    the issues that have been raised in the

    Motion in the items numbered 5, 6

    and 7 bear a semblance to what was

    done in the year 1999, that we

    referred to. However, indeed, the

    ones in the items numbered 1, 2, 3 and

    4, have connotations of criminality and

    we should make the distinction. That

    is the point. If it borders on

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    criminality, the person that is being

    charged must be given ample space to

    be heard. That is what we are saying,

    that we should grant him — indeed both Standing Orders 20 and 21

    reinforce this.

    Mr Speaker, we have related to

    Standing Order 108(c). I would want

    to mention Order 180(c) because our

    Hon Colleagues dwelt on “during proceedings” and so on. Standing Order 108 (c) says that:

    108. “A Motion for a vote of censure on a Minister of

    State shall be moved in the

    following manner:

    (c) during the proceedings on the

    Motion,”

    Indeed, it is not only the debate.

    Standing Order 108(c) says that the

    Hon Minister shall be entitled to be

    heard in his defence during the

    proceedings, not just the debate.

    Therefore, the Hon Members who are

    just talking about the debate are

    totally wrong and that is why I agree

    with you, when you say that we

    should commit this to a Committee.

    Mr Speaker, on the strength of

    that, I would like to agree with you

    and indeed, move in accord with

    Standing Order 106(1) that this

    matter that is before us be given to an

    Ad hoc Committee, that would go

    and further enquire into the matter

    and come to us with their findings.

    Mr Speaker, in that regard, I

    would also like to urge the

    Committee that may be given this

    responsibility to define for us the

    proceedings and procedures to guide

    the conduct of Business because

    today, we are relating to one Hon

    Minister. Tomorrow, who knows if it

    would come to a President or a Vice

    President. It should not be left to

    mere episodic reactions. We should

    have a proper structure that would

    relate to this matter that is before us.

    Accordingly, as I said, I move so that

    this matter be referred to a

    Committee to be constituted by this

    House to deal with the matter. I thank

    you very much for the space granted.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 4:10 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I know that the Leader of
    Government Business has sat down
    but I take matters that impugn my
    integrity very seriously even though
    you have ordered that it should be
    expunged from the records.

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    Mr Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, I got all what the Hon Majority Leader said expunged from the records, and corrected him that it was complied with and I admitted it, so, there is nothing on the records because I got that expunged from the records. Therefore, you have not done anything wrong. I really stated that so do not put anything back on records again because it has been expunged. As discussed with the Leaders, I would like to have the feedback before I do the referral.
    I passed information to the
    Leaders and I need the feedback. I would act on it now and I intend —
    Mr Afenyo-Markin — rose —
    Mr Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon Member, why
    are you on your feet?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:10 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    I was seconding the Motion for the Committee to be established.
    Mr Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon Member, I
    have not yet proposed the Committee.
    Hon Ahmed Ibrahim, I have not
    listened to you.
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 4:10 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Hon ranking Member
    for the Finance Committee was on his feet, so, I would like you to listen to him.
    Dr Cassiel Ato Forson 4:10 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I thought you said that the
    Motion has been moved and seconded
    and it is for the consideration of the
    House. I thought that at that point,
    you would hear one comment each
    from the two Sides before you do the
    referral so I was trying to make that
    appeal before you make that referral
    so that we could state the position.
    Mr Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Actually, you
    would be heard when we come to the
    debate. The matter would come again
    to the Floor. I would give you the
    opportunity to speak and by that time,
    the evidence would be in the report
    for all of us to see and then we could
    debate that.
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 4:10 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I am not a lawyer. I have
    also not been to the Harvard Law
    School. I would like to have your
    guidance on this because commen-
    tators are going to be commenting on
    it. I was learning when you were
    giving the rulings and I appreciate it,
    so, I would like you to guide me on
    this so that I would add it to what I
    have learnt.

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    Mr Speaker, article 82, clause 3

    of the 1992 Constitution — I would like us to be specific so that we know

    where we are going to. With your

    permission, I would like to quote:

    “(3) The motion shall be debated in Parliament within

    fourteen days after the receipt by

    the Speaker of the notice for the

    motion.”

    Mr Speaker, I would like to

    know where we are. Does this mean

    that within the 14 days, from 10th to

    24th November, 2022, the constitu-

    tional days within which the Motion

    must be debated elapse after the 14th

    day? I do not want the case where our

    Hon Colleagues from the other Side

    would come tomorrow to say that the

    1992 Constitution says within 14

    days so the 14th day ends on 10th

    November so anything that we do

    after the 14 days, they would like to

    debate us on it. I know the people we

    are dealing with. Mr Speaker, I would

    like to have your guidance on this.
    Mr Speaker 4:20 p.m.
    Hon Member, I
    did mention that my authority does
    not extend to the interpretation and
    enforcement of the 1992 Constitu-
    tion. I could only apply my
    understanding of the Constitution but
    I could not interpret it as in a debate
    of this nature. My understanding of
    “debated within 14 days” means that the debate must commence within the
    14 days. It does not mean that the
    debate must be concluded within the
    14 days. So, we are right to have
    commenced the debate within the 14
    days. However, we know the process
    and we are dealing with justice.
    Hon Members, the debate is not
    ad hominem. We are not debating the
    Finance Minister, Mr Ken Ofori-
    Atta. It is the position, function and
    duties that we are looking at; not the
    person. It could have been any
    person. That is why in 1999, the
    person that occupied that position,
    the then Hon Minister for Finance,
    Mr Kwame Peprah, was the one that
    was called upon. So, it is not the
    person that we are debating. The
    Motion is very clear.
    Hon Members, after consulting
    Leadership, I would inform you of
    the composition of the Committee.
    The Committee would be an Ad hoc
    Committee, specifically for this
    Motion. The Committee is to report

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    within seven days. The Committee, in

    consultation with Leadership, would

    be chaired by two co-Chairmen. The

    co-Chairmen are Dr Dominic

    Akuritinga Ayine and Mr Kobina

    Tahir Hammond. The other Hon

    Members of the Committee are Mr

    Samuel Ablakwa, Dr Zanetor

    Agyeman-Rawlings and Mr Bernard

    Ahiafor from the Minority Side. The

    other Hon Members are Mr Patrick

    Yaw Boamah, Mr Emmanuel

    Anyimadu and Mr Andrew Kofi

    Egyapa Mercer from the Majority

    Side. So, the Committee is an eight-

    member Committee. The Clerk to the

    Committee is in the person of —

    Hon Members, kindly allow me

    to finish speaking. When I compose

    the Committee and you are not

    satisfied, you could raise your

    concern. The Clerk to the Committee

    is Mr Pwamang Camillo. As I said,

    the Committee is to report within

    seven days —

    Hon Members, when the 1992

    Constitution says within seven days, it does not say working days or

    Sitting days, so no Hon Member should try to force me to add “Sitting” or “working” to the days. It is known that when the 1992 Constitution says seven days, it means seven working days. The

    proposal is in consultation with Leadership. I hope and pray that this

    would be accepted by the House.

    Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa

    and Mr Sam Nartey George — rose —
    Mr Speaker 4:20 p.m.
    Hon Member for North Tongu, you are a Member of
    the Ad hoc Committee, so I would kindly allow the Hon Member for Ningo-Prampram to speak.
    Mr Sam Nartey George (NDC
    — Ningo-Prampram): Mr Speaker, I would like to make a plea that given the nature of the matter, the sittings of
    the Committee be telecast live and public just like the Sputnik V hearing, in the spirit of transparency,
    accountability, social justice and equity.
    Mr A. Ibrahim 4:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if you would kindly remember, you
    took me to Kigali, Rwanda for the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) meeting. The theme of the World IPU
    Meeting was “Gender Parity”. How could 138 Hon Members submit four names to be part of the Ad hoc
    Committee and there is no female?
    Mr Speaker, the Minority Side provided names of four (4) Hon Members, which includes Dr Zanetor

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    Agyeman-Rawlings. The Majority Side must also add one female to the

    Committee so that the eight-member Committee would consist of six males and two females.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 4:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    we submitted four names to you. Mr
    Emmanuel Anyimadu-Antwi, as
    announced by you, was an error and
    that error came from us. It should be
    Mr Kwame Anyimadu-Antwi, and
    that is my first issue.
    Mr Speaker, the second issue is
    about the contention of my Hon
    Colleague, Mr Sam Nartey George,
    that you should make certain
    pronouncements. He referred to the
    Sputnik V Committee, which I co-
    chaired together with my Hon
    Colleague, Mr Kwabena Mintah
    Akandoh as the deputy chairman. It
    was not a pronouncement by the
    Chair; it was the Committee which
    met. The practice is that when such
    referrals are made, the Committee
    would meet and make certain
    determinations. So, I think that the
    Hon Member for Ningo-Prampram
    should lower his energy level and
    allow the Committee to do its work.
    Some Hon Members — rose —
    Mr Speaker 4:20 p.m.
    Hon Members, I
    would identify our Senior Hon
    Member of the House, Mr Cletus
    Apul Avoka, to speak.
    Mr Cletus Apul Avoka (NDC
    — Zebilla): Mr Speaker, with the greatest respect, I do not intend to
    arrest your decision or ruling.
    However, I would like to leave this
    Chamber with a clear mind. We are
    talking about a censorship on an Hon
    Minister. In my view, that is captured
    in article 82 of the 1992 Constitution
    and Order 108 of the Standing Orders
    of Parliament. These two references
    have nothing to say about the
    formation of a committee to resolve
    this matter. It is in respect of the
    removal of a Rt Hon Speaker under
    Order 107 of the Standing Orders that
    deals with the formation of a
    committee. So, what would be the
    terms of reference for us to form a
    committee of this nature?
    Mr Speaker, therefore, I would
    respectfully invite you to revisit
    article 82 of the 1992 Constitution
    and Order 108 of the Standing Orders
    of Parliament, and make us know
    where the authority and mandate of
    creating a committee comes from,
    and what the terms of reference are.

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance
    Mr Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Hon Member for
    Zebilla, Mr Cletus Avoka, a very
    senior Member of Parliament, read
    Standing Order 106, the short title of
    which says : “Votes of censure and removal”. It proceeds to say:
    “106. (1) The House may pass a resolution to remove the
    President, the Vice President, Mr
    Speaker and Deputy Speakers
    and a vote of censure on a
    Minister of State. The House
    may consider such motion and
    come to a decision or refer it to a
    Committee on a motion made by
    any Member.”

    Hon Member, I have heard you, I have seen you, and I know you. When you talk about the House, the person leading the House is the Rt Hon Speaker. The House itself cannot refer a thing to a committee — it is not done anywhere in the world. It is the Rt Hon Speaker who refers matters to committees and previously, they used to call the Committees, the Speaker's Committee. Why? This is because the Committee of Selection is chaired by the Rt Hon Speaker, and

    it is the Speaker that through the Leadership would compose the Committees and bring it to the House for approval. Please, you need to learn fast.

    Hon Members, again — I repeat;

    we have set up a committee of eight (8). The Committee would have to report within seven (7) days. My Colleague, Hon Member for Zebilla, Mr Cletus Avoka, spoke about the terms of reference of the Committee. Clearly, he referred to the Constitution and the Standing Orders. When one sets up a Committee of Parliament, and things are referred to them — what are the terms of the Committee? It is the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders. So, what terms are you, Mr Avoka, talking about? I do not want to debate you on this issue, but I think that you are completely out of order.

    Hon Members, I so direct, and I

    expect that within seven days we would get a report from the Committee, so that the House would be properly positioned to conclude the debate on the matter. Again, Leadership, get your team ready for the final debate.

    With this, I want to thank all of

    you for supporting the House to do

    Vote of Censure on the Minister for Finance

    what I believe to be the right thing.

    This would guide us in the new

    Standing Orders to detail out the

    procedure, and so, the Standing

    Orders Committee, kindly take note.

    With this, I am grateful to all of you.

    Yes! Hon Majority Leader.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:30 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I believe we have exhausted
    the Business for the day, so we can
    take an adjournment. At this stage,
    we do not need to move a Motion for
    adjournment.
    Mr Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Hon Majority
    Leader, are you referring to item
    numbered 9?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:30 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I believe, we can defer it to
    tomorrow. We would take it
    tomorrow.
    Mr Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Hon Majority
    Leader, did you move for
    adjournment?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:30 p.m.
    No! Mr Speaker.
    I only reminded that it is long
    past 2.00 p.m. so, we do not require a formal Motion for adjournment. So, you can adjourn the House.
    Mr Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Hon Members —
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu — rose —
    Mr Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minority
    Leader.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 4:30 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we are in your hands. It is just to urge my Hon Colleagues behind me — the Minority — to stay in the Chamber.
    Mr Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Hon Members, the sense of the House is for us to take an adjournment. Looking at the time, I would proceed to adjourn the House to tomorrow at 10.00 a.m.
    The House is accordingly
    adjourned.
    ADJOURNMENT 4:30 p.m.

  • The House was adjourned at 4.37 p.m. till Friday, 11th November, 2022 at 10.00 a.m.