Debates of 27 Jul 2005

MR. SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10 a.m.

Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Order! Order! Correction of Votes and Proceedings, Tuesday, 26th July 2005. Pages 1, 2, 3 . . . 20. [No correction was made to the Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 26th July, 2005.]
We have two Official Reports for
Wednesday, 20th July and Thursday, 21st July.
rose
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Tamale South?
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
in the Official Report for Thursday, 21st July 2005, column 2267, paragraph 7, line 5, I made reference to Order 109 as it is appropriately captured in the eighth line but it was reported as Order 190. I would be grateful if that can be corrected.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
You are right; thank
you. Item 3 -- Questions.
Mr. Moses Asaga 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, with your permission, I wish to ask Question number 179 as advertised on the Order Paper on behalf of hon. John Akologo Tia, he has asked me to do so on his behalf.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Leave is granted to you
to ask the Question; please proceed.
Mr. Asaga 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in addition we are from the same district and the Question is about Talensi-Nabdam and since we are the two Members of Parliament in that district -- [Interrup-tions.]
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Hon. Member, you may now ask the Question.
Mr. Asaga 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask the Minister for Communications, hon. Kan-Dapaah, also known as “Affordable”, what steps his Ministry is taking to provide Tongo, the capital of the Talensi-Nabdam District with a post office building.
Mr. Felix owusu-Adjapong -- rose
-- 10 a.m.

Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Yes, hon. Majority Leader, do you have any point to make?
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 10 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, a new name, “Affordable” has been introduced here, but especially when he has not defined the spelling of “Affordable”, it poses a problem for us so if he can delete the “Affordable” from the qualifications given to the hon. Minister.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Hon. Member for Nabdam, your task is only to read the Question and not to --
Mr. Asaga 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought the hon. Minister was my friend and we have been calling each other “Affordability”.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Hon. Member, you may kindly read the Question again.
Mr. Asaga 10 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
oRAL ANSWERS To QUESTIoNS
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 10 a.m.

Minister for Communications (Mr. Albert Kan-Dapaah) 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as part of its universal service obligation Ghana Post is working on an elaborate programme to extend postal services to all the 38 newly created district capitals. It is the intention of Ghana Post to seek HIPC funding for these projects. The programme is due to commence next year after budgetary allocation would have been made in the national Budget for 2006.
Mr. Speaker, the town that was
mentioned happens to be one of the thirty- eight newly created district capitals so it would be covered under this programme.
Mr. Asaga 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to know from the hon. Minister what the current situation in Tongo is because there used to be a post office there.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, this is a question that I would require some notice before I can answer. I do not personally know what the position in Tongo is at this point in time.
Mr. Asaga 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought that with this Question the hon. Minister would have been fair if he had asked his technical people to update him rather than just coming to tell us about a policy for next year. I am still not satisfied.
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
All right, then you may ask a question in the proper manner.
Mr. Asaga 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, could the hon. Minister tell us the state of the Tongo Post Office as of now?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not think it is in an acceptable state at this point in time and as a result of which a brand new post office is planned to be built there. I want to believe that if they had something that was good no plans would have been made for a completely new one. So the position now seems to be that whatever is there is not in an acceptable state and the intention of Ghana Telecom is to build a brand new post office at the place.
Mr. Asaga 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask the hon. Minister, with the privatization and the de-linking of communications from the Postal Services, what are the steps now being pursued when it comes to establishing post offices because of the privatized nature of that activity?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Ghana Post still has this obligation to provide universal access. It is a task that needs to be supported by Government and Government plans to support Ghana Post to be able to provide this universal access. In spite of the privatization that one sees in the area, Ghana Post still is the only institution that is licensed to meet the universal access obligation of Government and it is the intention of Government to assist them in that regard.
Mr. Asaga 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask the hon. Minister whether it is the Ministry or Government that would put up the building as a post office and then supply workers to the post office.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, through the Dis t r ic t Assembl ies Government intends to utilize part of

the HIPC funding for these District Assemblies to be able to put up these post offices. After having been put up they would be run by the Post Office Company Limited itself and not by Government; it is not the Government that is going to employ the people.
Mr. Asaga 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he is said that HIPC funds would be used. May I know how much he intends to allocate to thirty-eight newly created district capitals for these postal services?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as the hon. Member knows, we would need to come up with the drawings, and bills of quantities need to be established before we would be able to know exactly how much is needed for one post office.
One Touch or U-Touch Services to Zabzugu/Tatale Constituency
Q. 180. Mr. Mohammed Jagri asked the Minister for Communications what plans the Ministry had to extend One- Touch or U-Touch services to Zabzugu/ Tatale constituency.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
information is that the Ghana Telecom is deploying the GSM Mobile telephone services to provide the One Touch/U- Touch facilities to the Zabzugu-Tatale area by the middle of 2006.
Mr. Mohammed Jagri 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, would the hon. Minister assure the House that come the middle of 2006 the said facilities would be extended?
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
Would you be kind to
repeat your question, hon. Member?
Mr. Mohammed Jagri 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
want the hon. Minister to assure the House that as he has stated, come the middle of next year the said facilities would actually be extended to the Zabzugu/Tatale
Constituency.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, these
companies have their own plans and the Answers that we provide are Answers that would have been given to us by the respective telephone companies. I have the assurance today from Ghana Telecom that this is what they intend doing. It would be difficult for me to give my personal assurance that that would be done, but this is the information that we have at this point in time.
Mr. Jagri 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, apart from
Ghana Telecom, I would like to know from the hon. Minister what plans the other service providers have to provide same facilities to the constituency.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
Question from my hon. Friend was very specific -- What were the plans of Ghana Telecom to extend its GSM services? It did not ask for the plans of the other telephone companies and for that reason I do not have the answer readily available here.
Mr. Adjaho 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the answer being provided by the hon. Minister is the -- Was he convinced by the Ghana Telecom officials before he came to provide this answer to the House?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have not been used to getting unreliable information from these telephone companies. But there have been certain occasions when their plans have not been able to go as scheduled. So I want to believe that as usual the information that is given to me is reliable.
Extension of Telephone Facilities to the Kwabre West Constituency
Q. 181. Mr. Emmanuel A. owusu- Ansah asked Minister for Commu- nications when telephone facilities
would be extended to the Kwabre West constituency.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, Ghana Telecom has informed my Ministry and I have their assurance that GSM service will be available in the Kwabre West constituency certainly before the end of 2005. The other operators have confirmed their plans to extend their services to the area by the middle of 2006.
Mr. owusu-Ansah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the answer by the hon. Minister is reassuring. But I would want to know specifically whether the GSM facility will include land telephone facility to the constituency.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, it will. These days the technology is such that even when you have the cellular service it is possible to get what we call the fixed cellular terminals and this is the technology that is being sent to the area. It would, therefore, be possible to get the fixed line services in the area and one can access the internet from that facility as well.
Extension of Ghana Telecom Fixed Line Services to Dzodze and
other Areas
Q. 183. Mr. James Klutse Avedzi asked the Minister for Communications when Dzodze and other areas in the Ketu North constituency would be connected to Ghana Telecom fixed line services.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, Ghana Telecom has assured the Ministry that it has planned to make the fixed line services available through Fixed Cellular Terminal (FCT) to Dzodze and surrounding areas certainly by the end of this year, 2005.
Mr. Avedzi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask the hon. Minister whether the fixed cellular terminal will enable schools in
the constituency to take advantage of internet facility and the ICT programme that the Ministry of Education and Sports is embarking on.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Yes, indeed, Mr. Speaker. The fixed cellular terminal will be able to do all that and I confirm that it will be able to provide internet services to the people in the area.
Mr. Avedzi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to find out from the hon. Minister if he is aware that Akatsi is the closest exchange to Dzodze and therefore the Ketu North. And if he is aware, would it be possible for the exchange to be extended to Dzodze and other parts of Ketu North?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my hon. Friend is trying to find out what the exact works are that would be undertaken by Ghana Telecom to be able to provide this service, which certainly will require some notice for me to be able to get the correct information.
Telephone Facilities for Dambai, Asukwakwa, Katanga, etc.
Q. 184. Mr. Wisdom Gidisu asked the Minister for Communications when the residents of Dambai, Asukwakwa, Katanga, Adonkwanta, Tokoroano, Dormabin, Kparekpare and Kpelema would be provided with telephone services.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to assure my hon. Friend that all the telecommunication service providers have confirmed that they have plans to extend their telephone services to the areas mentioned. Unfortunately none of them is ready to go there this year. But we do have the assurance especially from Spacefon and indeed all the others have given similar assurances that their target is the end of June 2006. They hope to reach those places by the middle of next
year, 2006.
Mr. W. Gidisu 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, according to the Minister for Commu-nications, all the telecommunication services have plans to extend their services to Krachi East. I would want him to specifically mention names of some of these service providers that have these plans.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we do have assurances from Ghana Telecom, Spacefon and Millicom Ghana Limited.
Mr. W. Gidisu 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want the hon. Minister to assure this House that come June 2006, Ghana Telecom would provide cellular phone services to Krachi East.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is obviously very difficult to give such an assurance. But I do share the concern of my hon. Friend that somehow we should be able to get telephone service to reach Krachi as quickly as possible. I do share his concern and I think the Ministry ought to do a little bit more to ensure that we do get some telephone facilities in Krachi. The situation as it exists now cannot be tolerated much longer.
Nii Amasah Namoale: Mr. Speaker, I would want to ask the hon. Minister -- In his Answer he said that all the telecommunication service providers have plans to extend their services to the areas mentioned. The question is in relation to the “all” -- Does that have to do with Kasapa?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, on this occasion I have not specifically asked Kasapa; but I do also know, as the hon. Member is saying, that Kasapa is also embarking on a major programme and the chances are that they would reach that
place. But today, the telecom companies that are going into the hinterland are the three that I mentioned. Unfortunately, it does not include Westel, but in the case of Kasapa they have active programmes to try to reach the hinterland as well. So when I said “all”, I was referring to those companies that today are going into the hinterland.
Mr. Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Hon. Minister for Communications, thank you very much for attending upon the House to respond to these Questions. You are hereby released.
At the Commencement of Public Business -- Item 5 -- Laying of Papers, Minister for Energy?
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
it is precisely because of this document that I went out, so if you can defer the laying of this document whilst I check something with the hon. Minister.
PAPERS 10:30 a.m.

Minister for Women and children's Affairs (Hajia Alima Mahama) 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 128 (1) which require that when a Bill has been read a Second time it shall pass through a Consideration Stage which shall not be taken until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed, the Consideration Stage of the Human Trafficking Bill may be taken today.
Mrs. Esther Dappah obeng 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.

Question put and motion agreed to.

Resolved accordingly.

BILLS -- coNSIDERATIoN
STAGE 10:30 a.m.

Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to know whether the amendment moved by the Chairperson is the amendment as advertised on the Order Paper or there is another addition or subtraction. I want to be very clear in my mind because -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority
Mrs. obeng 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, please, he
should come again.
Mr. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to
know whether the amendment she just moved is exactly the same as what has been advertised on the Order Paper as (i) without any addition or subtraction.
Mrs obeng 10:30 a.m.
Yes.
Mr. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not have any objection to the amendment. I just want some clarification because we put (a) and (b) there and I do not know whether the two are mutually inclusive or mutually exclusive. I do not know whether if one of the events, (a) appears then the two must occur before it constitutes what we call human trafficking under the Act. We do not see “or” or “and” in the (a) and the (b) and this can lend itself to different interpretations.
I think we have to be very clear as to what we are doing and the amendment that we are moving and I would just want to draw the hon. Minister's attention to the rendition that if you put “or” or “and” between the “(a)” and the “(b)” so that we know that the “(a)” and “(b)” must occur to constitute what we call human trafficking or only “(a)” must occur. If the two must occur then we have to put “and” to join the two together that the two constitute human trafficking and we have to look at that very carefully. I am not against the amendment but there is a problem.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority
Leader, I see the point you are making.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Members, it is
“or” and not “and”, “(a)” or “(b)”.
Mr. Adjaho 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is now clear but I will suggest that if we can find a way of adding “and” or “or” because in certain situations benefits may flow. So “and” or “or” then we get a better picture of the rendition. Mr. Speaker, so subject to “and” or “or”, I support the amendment.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister, what do
you say to that?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, that is
all right, it is fine with us.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 1, subclause (2), line 1, after “Include” insert “at the minimum induced”; lines 1 and 2, delete “people smuggling the” and “human beings”.
Mr. Speaker, the deletion of “human
beings” is to avoid repetition since prostitution automatically does not refer to any other living thing. “People smuggling” on the other hand is across national border activity, whilst “trafficking in persons” takes place within and across national borders.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Chairperson, we
are dealing with your amendment. So we are looking at the Order Paper -- subclause (2), line 1, that is what we are looking at in the Order Paper.
Mrs. obeng 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 1, subclause (2), line 1, after “Include” insert “at the minimum, induced”; lines 1 and 2, delete “people smuggling the” and “human beings”.
Mr. Sallas-Mensah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, can
the proposer put the amendment proposed in the context of the Bill and read it out to see whether it makes sense?
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for Upper
West Akim, what were you saying?
Mr. Sallas-Mensah 10:40 a.m.
What I am
saying is that, since she is proposing an amendment and the amendment is being discussed, she should now frame the whole clause and see if it makes sense.
Mrs. obeng 10:40 a.m.
The sentence would
read, “Exploitation shall include at the minimum, induced prostitution and other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs for sale or for ritual purposes.”
Alhaji Sumani Abukari 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
I am not clear about what the amendment is about. The way she read it out, she did not include her amendment in her reading. So she should read out the whole amended clause as she wants it now.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Yes. That is what they
are saying.
Mrs. obeng 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will read
it again:
“. . . exploitation shall include at the minimum, induced prostitution and
other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs for sale or for ritual purposes.”
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
I presume it is now quite clear.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Clause 1, subclause
(3) -- Hon. Member for Ashaiman (Mr. Alfred Agbesi), move your amendment, please.
Mr. Agbesi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we propose
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Ashaiman, is it different from what appears on the Order Paper?
Mr. Agbesi 10:40 a.m.
The wording is a bit
different.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Then, may we have your
wording?
Mr. Agbesi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what we
have is what I want to read. Mr. Speaker, we said that,
“For the purposes of this Act, human trafficking shall not affect a parent or guardian who gives out a person for the purposes of training or upbringing.”
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister, what do
you say to this?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, may he
kindly read his amendment again?
Mr. Agbesi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
“For the purposes of this Act, human trafficking shall not affect a parent or guardian who gives out a person for the purposes of training or upbringing.”
Mr. Speaker, this is our proposed amendment.
Mr. Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Ashaiman, what I will suggest is that we defer this for the moment whilst you confer on this in order not to waste time.
Clause 2, is there an amendment,
Chairperson?
Mrs. obeng 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, that clause 2, subclause (1), delete and insert the following:
“(1) A person shall not traffick another person within the meaning of section 1 or act as an intermediary for the trafficking of a person.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 2 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 3 -- Provision of trafficked person prohibited.
Mrs. obeng 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, an amendment has been moved to subclause 3 (1). Subclause 3 (1) is not on the Order Paper but the Committee has proposed an amendment to take care of contributions that were made on the floor yesterday.
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
All right, please move
your amendment.
Mrs. obeng 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, that clause 3, subclause (1) be amended to read as follows:
“A person who provides another person for purposes of trafficking commits an offence even where the person is a parent.”
And the amendment is:
“. . . except that the intention, motive of the parent or guardian shall be considered.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 3 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 4 and 5 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 6 -- Duty to inform.
Mrs. obeng 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 6, subclause (1), delete and insert the following:
“A person with information about trafficking:
(a) shall inform the police, or
(b) may inform
i. The Commission on Human Rights and Administrative Justice (CHRAJ)
ii. The Department of Social Welfare
i i i . T h e G h a n a L e g a l Aids Board, and
iv. Any reputable community- based organization (CSO).
Mr. Joseph Y. chireh 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the (iv) of the amendment should rather be “civil society organization” and not “Community-Based Organization”.
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon. Member, if you may repeat the point you were making.
Mr. chireh 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
Committee made us to understand that it is “civil society organization”. Now they have introduced “community- based organization”. I think there was a typographical error.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, actually the CSO means civil society organization. So that is in order. So we take out the community-based organization. CSO actually refers to civil society organization.
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
So what do we have? We should delete community-based organization? Hon. Minister, we want to be clear on that. Should we delete “community-based organization”?
Hajia Mahama: Yes, Mr. Speaker,
we should delete “community-based organization” and put in its place “civil society organization”; but the (CSO) stays.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 6 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 7 and 8 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 9 -- Filing of complaint to police.
Mrs. obeng 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 9, subclause (5), line 2, after “by” insert “the next of kin or”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 9 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 10 -- Police assistance.
Mrs obeng 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 10, subclause (2), after “shall” insert “on a report filed by the complainant to a superior officer”.
Mr. Agbesi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
amendment is calling for “on a report filed by the complainant to a superior officer”. My problem is with the words “superior officer”.
Mr. Speaker, this is an Act which is
trying to create an offence and anybody who has information is to report to the police and other bodies for assistance. Now, if a complainant goes to the police, does it necessarily mean that if it is not a superior officer then no report would be made? My point is that once the police is one of the organs to which a report would be made, it should not be to a superior officer; it should be to the police. Whoever is in charge could take the case. This is my worry.
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for Wa
West, I am sure you are a member of the Committee.
Mr. chireh 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
what the hon. Member is reading is the issue of disciplining a police officer who has refused to act, and therefore the issue is not about whom to report to. When a police officer who has been given this information fails to act on it and you want disciplinary action to be taken against him, that is where you will report to the superior officer. So it is not the primary information to the police that must be given to the superior officer.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 10 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mrs. obeng 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 11, subclause (1), paragraph (a), delete and insert the following:
“(a) take a s ta tement f rom the parties and witnesses”; and
subclause (2), delete “only interview” and insert “take a statement from”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 11 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 12 -- Arrest by police.
Mrs. Esther obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 12, delete “or without a warrant”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Clause 12 as amended ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
Clause 13 ordered to stand part of the
Bill.
Clause 14 -- Rescue of trafficked
persons.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 14, subclause (1), delete and insert the following:
“An authorized officer shall be responsible for the rescue of a trafficked person which may be carried out in collaboration with civil society organizations.”
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 14, add a new subclause as follows:
“Despite subsection (1), any government agency may rescue a trafficked person.”
Mr. Joseph Yieleh chireh 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have nothing against the amendment but if you would recall, a few days back, we passed a Bill here and we insisted on using the word “notwith- standing” instead of “despite”; and I think it is for a good purpose. The lawyers want difficult words that they can use for purposes of telling the lay people what it means. So we have to be consistent. Within a matter of a week we are changing to use a different word. So I would prefer that we use “notwithstanding” wherever it has occurred in this Bill.
Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Minister for
Women and Children, you have been using the word “notwithstanding”.
Hajia Alima Mahama: Mr. Speaker,
it was my understanding that the Attorney- General's Department and other legal drafters suggest that the word “despite” is favourable now, and it is in tune with modern drafting language. So we thought we should also be part of the modern parlance and therefore use the word “despite”. And we were suggesting the word “despite” but if it is the view of majority of hon. Members that we change to “notwithstanding”, I have no objection to that.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
We have accepted your amendment, which is “despite”.
Hajia Mahama: Despite? All right, Mr. Speaker.
Clause 15 -- Temporary care of trafficked person.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 15, subclause (1), delete “Department” and insert “Ministry”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 15, subclause (2), delete and insert the following:
“Despite subclause (1), a District Assembly shall be resourced from the Trafficking Fund to protect the welfare of trafficked person(s) within its area of authority in consultation with the relevant government agencies and civil society organizations (CSOs) in the District.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 15 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 16 -- Counselling of trafficked person.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 16, delete “Department shall provide” and insert “Ministry shall ensure the provision of”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Clause 16 as amended ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
Clause 17 -- Tracing of family of
trafficked person.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 17, subclause (1), delete “Department” and insert “Ministry”.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 17, subclause (2), add a new subclause as follows:
“The Ministry may be assisted by the traditional authorities, civil society organizations and any other person to trace the families of a trafficked person.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 17, subclause (4), delete.
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Clause 17 as amended ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
Clause 18 -- Rehabilitation of
trafficked person.
Mrs. obeng 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 18, subclause (1), delete and

insert the following:

“Subclause (1) -- The Ministry shall assist to provide a rescued victim of trafficking with employable skills and employment opportunities.”

Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that clause 18, subclause (2), delete and insert the following:
“Subclause (2) -- The Ministry shall assist the victim with start-up capital to ensure the survival of the trafficked person.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 18, subclause (3), delete and insert the following:
“Subclause (3) -- Trafficked victims may receive financial assistance from the Trafficking Fund.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 18, add a new subclause (4) as follows:
“(4) The best interest of the child shall be paramount in any assistance given to the rescue, rehabilitation and reinte- gration of a trafficked child.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 18 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 19 -- Compensation.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 19, subclauses (1), (2) and (3), delete “may” and insert “shall”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 19 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 20 -- Assistance on rescue, rehabilitation and reintegration.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 20, delete.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 20 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 21 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 22 -- Sources of money for the Fund.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 22, paragraph (a), delete “NGOs” and insert “CSOs”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 22, paragraph (c), after “sources” delete “and”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 22 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 23 -- Objective of the Fund.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 23, add the following new paragraphs:
“(d) towards the construction of reception shelters for trafficked persons in the districts;
(e) training and capacity-building to all persons connected with rescue, rehabilitation and re- integration.”
Mr. J. Y. chireh 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the clause already has up to (d) yet they are adding another (d) and (e). There must be something wrong with the numbering, unless they have replaced (d) with the new version of it.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, we
have added the two provisions. The current (d) talks about any other matters connected with the rescue. So it would have to come in after the two subclauses that we have proposed. So the current (d) would become (f).
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Minister, are you changing the (e) to (f)?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, it would
be (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) and (f).
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
So the first one is not
(d), it is (e); and the second one is -- On the Order Paper you have (d) and (e).
Hajia Mahama: Yes, Mr. Speaker. In
the proposed Bill, we have (a), (b), (c) and (d). But the current (d) or the proposed (d) talks about any other matter connected with rescue and all that. So we are saying that that should be the last in this clause. Therefore, what we have here, (d) and (e) will stand and the (d) in the proposed Bill will now become (f).
Mr. chireh 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is all
right because what I was saying was that
they should say, (d) moves to become (f) whilst new subclauses have been added and it would have been all right.
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
All right, at least, the
draftsmen are there to help us.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 23 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 24 -- Management of the Fund.
Mrs. obeng 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 24, subclause (1), delete “responsible for Women and Children's Affairs”-- [Pause.]
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Minister, if we delete subclause (1) -- delete “responsible for Women and Children's Affairs” -- we have another clause still standing and it would not make any sense. Are we deleting the whole subclause (1)?

Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, the proposal is that the trafficking shall be managed by the Ministry, and we are saying that delete “responsible for Women and Children's Affairs” because at the beginning we talked about the Ministry referring to Ministry for Women and Children's Affairs.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
But you read the whole clause and let us see whether it will make any sense after deleting those words.
Mrs. obeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we are proposing that “the Trafficking Fund shall be managed by the Ministry”.

Question put and amendment agreed to.

Clause 24 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 25 -- Payment from the Fund.
Mrs. obeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 25, delete “Task Force” wherever it appears in this Bill and insert “Management Board”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 25 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 26 and 27 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 28 -- Annual Report.
Mrs. obeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 28, subclause (1), delete “Chief Director” and insert “Minister”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 28 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 29 -- Establishment of Task Force on Human Trafficking.
Mrs. obeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 29, subclause (2), delete.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 29 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 30 -- Composition of the Task Force.
Mrs. obeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 30, subclause (1), paragraph (a), delete and insert the following:
“The Chairperson who shall be the Minister or the Deputy Minister.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
There is a further amendment by hon. Akua Sena Dansua and hon. Haruna Iddrisu.
Mr. chireh 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at it, having taken a decision on what the Chairman has moved, the question again being raised by this amendment is moot.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
So are you withdrawing the amendment?
Mr. chireh 11:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
All right, that amendment is withdrawn.
Mrs. obeng 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 30, susbclause (1), paragraph (e), delete and insert the following:
“One representative each from the (i) Police Service, (ii) Immigration Service, (iii) Customs, Excise and Preventive Service, and (iv) the National Security Co-ordinator.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
There is a further amendment by hon. Akua Sena Dansua and hon. Haruna Iddrisu; or is the amendment being withdrawn?
Mr. A. K. Agbesi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the two proponents are at a committee meeting
at the moment.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Do you want to withdraw it?
Mr. Agbesi 11:20 a.m.
No, Mr. Speaker. They are saying that we should delete “Minister” and insert “Ghana Employers Association”. That is the amendment proposed.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Minister, what do you say to this proposed amendment?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, there is a provision for nominating somebody from the private sector. At the committee meeting there was a problem because we said that there were so many organisations that represent the private sector. We have the Private Enterprise Foundation, we have the Ghana Employers Association, we have the Association of Ghana Industries. There are different agencies so we would have to first find out who represents all these organisations and invite them instead of just zeroing in on the Ghana Employers Association. The idea is to get someone from the private sector; if we zero in on the Ghana Employers Association, how about the Private Enterprise Foundation. And how about the Association of Ghana Industries? There are so many of them, we have to find one to represent them.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
So what do you suggest then to this amendment?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, we propose that this amendment should not be taken.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for Ashaiman, are you prepared to have this stood down so that you sort it out?
Mr. Agbesi 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, exactly so, that is what I want to do so that I get those who proposed the amendment.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
All right, like the other one, we would stand it down. There is a further amendment to clause 30. Are they withdrawing that proposed amendment?
Mr. Adjaho 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it has to be moved formally so that the Question is put on it.
So Mr. Speaker, with your permission,
I beg to move, clause 30, subclause (1), add the following new paragraph:
“one representative of the Ghana Journalists Association.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 30 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 31 -- Functions of the Task Force.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 31, paragraph (a), delete and insert the following:
“Co-ordinate the activities of the Ministries responsible for Foreign Affairs, Interior, Health, Education, Local Government, Justice, Youth, Labour, Women and Children's Affairs and Social Welfare on matters connected with trafficking.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 31, paragraph (c), delete “connected with trafficking in persons” and insert “under this Act”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 31, paragraph (d), delete “advice” and insert “assistance”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 31, paragraph (f), delete “NGO” and insert “CSO”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 31, paragraph (h), delete “keep abreast with” and insert “conduct research on”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 31 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 32 -- Meetings of the Task Force.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 32, subclause (1), delete and insert the following:
“The Board shall meet at least once every three months.”
Mr. Adjaho 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to crave your indulgence so that the amendment in clause 1, standing in the name of hon. Francis Agbotse and hon. Alfred Agbesi could be moved. Mr. Speaker, the new rendition has been distributed to the hon. Minister and the Chairperson of the Committee and I
believe a copy has been given to you.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Is this an agreed amendment?
Mr. Adjaho 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think so.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, in our work we found out that some parents and guardians actually do give their children out for trafficking and this was the case, especially in the fishing communities.
About a month ago, I witnessed this again from people coming under the pretence of coming to farm, their parents had given them out, about twelve to thirteen year-old children. I saw about a hundred of them in Koforidua; their parents had willingly given them out to go and farm. So we have cases where a parent actually gives the children up for trafficking. However, we also know about what is being proposed here, that sometimes parents give their children out for training and for other purposes. That is why we proposed in clause 3 (1), which has been accepted by this House, that the intent and the motive of the parent or guardian shall be considered. We made that proposal in clause 3 (1) and it has been accepted. And if that has been accepted then this one becomes a little bit redundant.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority Leader, I thought you had settled this matter. What is happening?
Mr. Adjaho 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it was stood down. And so when the rendition was given to us, we thought that she would give us a feedback. But Mr. Speaker, yesterday when we were doing the Second Reading, many hon. Members, including the hon. Senior Minister, raised the issue of sociological and cultural background. But if the amendment that the hon. Minister for

As a matter of fact, with the customary and statutory adoptions, there are situations where we actually send our children for training and upbringing. If the amendment that the hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs is talking about addresses the issue, then we are not taking an entrenched position on the matter; but if it does not address it then we would be criminalizing a lot of activities in this country; and that is the mischief or the defect we want to cure. But the proponents of the amendment are here; we can hear from them so that we can make some progress.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Are you going to withdraw that?
Mr. Adjaho 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, let us hear from the proponents so that we can make some progress.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
If not, then we might as well stand it down again. Let us continue. I do not know what we want to have -- [Pause.]
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 32, subclause (3), after “shall” inset “convene and”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 32 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 33 -- Secretariat of the Task Force.
Mrs. obeng 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 33, subclause (2), delete
“and” and insert “which”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 34 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 35 -- Continued stay of illegal immigrants.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 35, subclause (1), line 4, delete “Department of Social Welfare” and insert “Board”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 35, subclause (2), line 2, delete “reception centre” and insert “Shelter”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 35, subclause (2), line 3, delete “Department” and “assistance” and insert “Ministry” and “support” respectively.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 35, subclause (3), line 3, delete “Department” and “assistance” and insert “Ministry” and “support” respectively.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 35 as amended ordered to stand

part of the Bill.

Clause 36 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 37 -- Power of police under Act 29 and Act 560.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 37, line 2, delete “Criminal Code, 1960 (Act 29)” and insert “Criminal Procedure Code, 1960 (Act 30)”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 37, lines 3 and 4, delete “except that where there is conflict, this Act shall prevail”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 37 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 38 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 39 -- No publication on child trafficking.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 39, Head Notes, delete “child” and insert “person”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 39, subclause (1), line 1, delete “child” and insert “person” and in line 2, delete “child” and insert “person”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 39 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 40 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 41 -- Confiscation of property.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 41, subclause (1), delete and insert the following:
“Where there is evidence that movable or immovable property has been acquired by a trafficker as a result of gains from human trafficking activity, the court shall order the confiscation of that property.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 41 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 42 -- Regulations.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 42, after paragraph (f), add a new paragraph as follows:
“ ( g ) S p e c i a l m i t i g a t i n g guidelines provided in respect of the provisions of section 7.
(h) Skills training to include formal education for young victims.”
Question put and amendment agreed
to.
Clause 42 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 43 -- Interpretation.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 43, delete interpretation of the following:
“Department”,
“NGO”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 43, add the following definitions:
‘“Civil Society Organization' has the meaning to include Community- based Organizations, NGOs, Religious Bodies and Associations, Traditional Authorities, etc.”
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 43 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Short Title --
Mrs. obeng 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, Short Title, delete “Human”, and insert “Anti-human”.
rose
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister, we are substituting “anti-human”.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
this amendment that is proposed is not right. In fact, it is “human trafficking” and the fact that we are making or enacting legislation to deal with it does not mean that it should be “anti”, because if that were to be the case then we would have “anti-criminal code”.
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
In fact, that is what we are trying to resolve.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 11:40 a.m.
And I am saying that this matter came to my attention at the time when I was the Attorney-General. Indeed, it came from some of my hon. Colleagues and I explained to them that in terms of enacting -- If you seek to cure a certain mischief it does not necessarily mean that it should be “anti”. We have had a lot of examples; we have the Criminal Code.
If you describe the law to govern crime as “Criminal Code”, you might as well say “anti-criminal”, or in the case of the “Domestic Violence Bill”, why did we not say “Anti-Domestic Violence Bill”? So really I do not think this amendment ought to be carried.
Mrs. obeng 11:50 a.m.
We agree.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
I am giving the opportunity to the Chairperson to try to make a suggestion. So hon. Chairperson, what do you suggest?
Mrs. obeng 11:50 a.m.
We agree to the suggestion made by the hon. Minister for the Interior.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
What are you suggesting then?
Mrs. obeng 11:50 a.m.
That the Bill should read “Human Trafficking Act”.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
So you are withdrawing the amendment. All right, then the amendment is withdrawn.
Hon. Members, there are two other matters which we have to resolve. The first item is clause 1, and the other one is clause 30. I do not know whether you have resolved these clauses.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, we have discussed these and I hope we would resolve them. We said the necessary amendment would come under clause 3 (1) and we are proposing that clause 3 (1) should read as follows:
First of all, Mr. Speaker, we are proposing that wherever “parent” appears, we substitute “parent” for “guardian”; wherever there is “parent” in the Bill, it should be “parent” or “guardian”. And then for clause 3 (1), we are proposing that a person who provides another person for purposes of trafficking commits an offence even where the person is a parent or guardian except that where the parent or guardian is involved in terms of taking into account in establishing guilt.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
This is a lengthy statement and I require some writing of it so that we will know how to go about it.
Mr. Adjaho 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I agree entirely with you. I will get everything made available to you so that you can get the full rendition.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Then we will step this one down again. Clause 30, has it been resolved -- xxxv? We stood that proposed amendment down.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, we accepted “the representative of the Ghana
Journalists Association”.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
I am talking of the representative of “the Ghana Employers Association”.
Hajia Mahama: That one we are still of the view that it will be private sector and within the private sector we would have a private sector foundation.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
So we are stepping these two clauses down for further discussions.
Mr. Mahama Ayariga 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if I may crave your indulgence to refer to some amendments that we have already passed. For me, the rendition does not flow very well. If we refer to clause 39 -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member, we have dealt with clause 39 and that has been carried. Is it possible to resolve these two clauses we stepped down before we take the Long Title? [Pause.]
Hon. Members, we are dealing with two clauses which we stood down. May I have the proposed amendment for clause 3, hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs? [Pause.] Hon. Minister, are you with us?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, I was still trying to give it to the Committee and get their views on that. They are still sorting it out.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
You know we are at the Consideration Stage -- Hon. Majority Leader, do you have anything to say?
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought you directed that we should have the proposed amendment typed. If these are the only two things left, we can end the Consideration Stage and take item 14
while they take their time to draft it.
rose
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tamale South, do you have something to suggest?
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu noon
Mr. Speaker, with respect, clause 30 (1) was stood down.
Mr. Speaker noon
Yes, “Ghana Employers Association” was stood down.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu noon
Mr. Speaker,
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Member, I directed that it should be stood down whilst behind the scenes discussions took place, so we do not want to raise this matter here again. If it is possible to meet outside and resolve it then you can come back and give me your composite view.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu noon
Mr. Speaker, my comments are based on some behind- the- scenes discussions that we have just concluded with -- [Pause.]
Mr. Speaker noon
We will continue.
The Long Title ordered to stand part
of the Bill.
Mr. Speaker noon
We would defer these two matters for further consideration.
rose
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Member for Ho West, is this a point that you have agreed on this matter?
Mr. Agbotse noon
Mr. Speaker, on the face of the Bill which says “enacted by the President and Parliament”, I thought it is Parliament which enacts laws and not the President and Parliament.
Mr. Speaker noon
After we had decided on this matter we would leave it to the draftsmen. You are referring to this “enacted by the President and Parliament”. I thought we have dealt with this matter for the draftsmen to put it in the right way.
Mr. Agbotse noon
Mr. Speaker, we have drawn attention to this before but when the completed Act came, it repeated the same thing -- “President and Parliament”. I do not think the President enacts laws; it is Parliament.
Mr. Speaker noon
Thank you for that; we would raise it again.
Mr. Adjaho noon
Mr. Speaker, we want
to be very clear because the last time we made an amendment on this matter -- When we were considering the National Petroleum Authority Bill the Committee moved an amendment that the passing of the law is for Parliament and then the assent by His Excellency the President and the amendment was carried through.
But the Ranking Member for Mines and Energy subsequently informed the Leadership that the Bill that was printed repeated what had been amended by this honourable House that “enacted by Parliament and by the President”; and I think the Constitution is very clear. If one looks at the British standard, Parliament passes the Bill and the Queen Her Majesty assents.
So that is what we should do because if we leave this matter entirely to the
Mr. Adjaho noon


draftsperson, what happened in the National Petroleum Authority Bill might crop up again. I think that the passing of the Bill is done by this House; the assent is by His Excellency the President. That is the rendition in the Constitution and that is the constitutional provision.
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Deputy Minority

We have now come to the end of the Consideration Stage of the Human Trafficking Bill. Leadership, are we going on with items 8 and 9?
Mr. owusu-Adjapong noon
Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that we move on to item 14, in the light of the discussion we had with the hon. Deputy Minority Leader.
Mr. Speaker noon
We are moving on to
items 14 to 23.
Suspension of Standing Order 80 (1)
Mr. Kwame osei-Prempeh (on behalf of chairman of the committee) noon
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80 (1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the adoption of the Report of the Finance Committee on the Credit Facility Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and Agence Francaise de Development of France for an amount of E10.0 million (ten million euros) for the Community-Based Rural Develop-ment Project, may be moved today.
Mr. Adjaho 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.

MoTIoNS

Credit Facility Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and Agence

Francaise de Development of France
Mr. Kwame osei-Prempeh (on behalf of the chairman of the committee) 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Credit Facility Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and Agence Francaise de Development of France for an amount of E10.0 million (ten million euros) for the Community-Based Rural Development Project.
1.0 Introduction
The Credit Facility Agreement was laid in the House on Friday, 22nd July 2005 and referred to the Finance Committee in accordance with article 181 of the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
The Committee met with the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Kwaku Agyemang-Manu, Minister for Local Government and Rural Development, hon. Charles B. Bintin, Deputy Minister for Local Government and Rural Development, hon. A. D. Odoom, as well as officials from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, and Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development and reports as follows:
2.0 Background
Hon. Members may recall that between 1999 and 2004, the Government of Ghana implemented the Village Infrastructure Project (VIP) with financial support from the World Bank International Develop- ment Association (IDA), International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) and Kreditan Stalt fur Wiederaufbau (KfW) of Germany.
2.1 The project contributed in building rural capacity and empowered rural populations in initiating community- based programmes, thereby deepening Government's decentralization efforts.
2.2 In order to consolidate the gains made from the implementation of the Village Infrastructure Project (VIP), Government and the World Bank (IDA) agreed to prepare a follow-up project that would have a seamless link with the extension of the VIP, hence the Community-Based Rural Development Project (CBRDP). 3.0 Components of the Project
The Communi ty -Based Rura l Development Project (CBRDP) consists of the six (6) components as follows:
(i) Institutional Strengthening and Capacity Building
This will strengthen and enhance the capacities of the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development, Regional Planning Co-ordinating Units (RPCUs), 138 District Assemblies, (DAs) and Area Councils (ACs) so as to assist them improve upon their statutory roles in planning and managing community- driven initiatives.
( i i ) I n f r a s t r u c t u r e f o r Agricultural Development
Prov i s ion o f ru ra l t r anspor t , rehabilitation of feeder roads, intermediate means of transport and water for agricultural production;
(iii) Rural Enterprise Development and Learning centres
This component wi l l deve lop skills, provide micro-credit and create employment in rural communities through
value addition and increased shelf life of primary products.
(iv) Infrastructure for Social and Human Development
This will involve the rehabilitation of existing and run-down school facilities and the construction of health components and nutrition centres.
(v) Community-Based Natural Resource Management
This takes into account environmental
governance and integrated rehabilitation, management and conservation of land and water resources.
(vi) Project Management
This component wi l l p rov ide technical assistance and services to District Assemblies, Area Councils, and communities to enable them prepare, plan, supervise and monitor projects. 3.1. Funding
The Agence Francaise de Development of France is providing the sum of ten million euros (€10.0 million) to co-finance the project with the World Bank and the Government of Ghana.
The financing profile of the project is as follows:
World Bank (IDA) -- US$60.0 m
AFD (Euros 10.0 m) -- US$13.0 m. (Approx.)
Government of Ghana (GOG), District Assemblies
-- US$13.94
Mr. Kwame osei-Prempeh (on behalf of the chairman of the committee) 12:10 p.m.


and Rural Financial Institutions US$86.94 m

4.0 Terms and conditions

Loan Amount -- Euros 10.0 million (€10.0 m)

Interest

-- 1 per cent per annum

Grace Period -- 10 years

Repayment Period -- 20 years

Grant Element -- 63 per cent

5.0 observations The Committee made the following observations:

i. That the Community-Based Rural Development Project (CBRDP) will build and strengthen the capacities of regional, district, town councils and unit committees to deliver services and efficiently manage resources.

ii. That it will transfer technical and financial resources to the rural areas for the development of infrastructure and income-generating activities that would be managed and maintained by beneficiary communities for their economic and social well-being.

iii. That the project will promote convergence between rural activities and objectives of the National Decentra-lization Action Plan.

iv. That the team informed the Committee that the project when completed will strengthen the capacities of local institutions, improve rural living conditions, enhance rural economic development and the sustainable management of natural resources, thereby deepening the national process of decentralization.

v. On the type of projects to be considered under this loan, the Minister for Local Government and Rural Development informed the Committee that all projects to be undertaken under this programme should be determined, debated and approved by the District Assemblies before they are considered. He further stated that, District Assemblies will be instructed to inform Members of Parliament (MPs) of their districts' chosen projects.

vi. The Committee observed that section II, clause 5 of the Financing Agreement grants exemptions from taxes and duties that may arise from the execution of the project.

The Minister informed the Committee that his Ministry will submit the request for tax and duty exemptions as stated in section II, clause 5 of the financing

agreement at a later date.

vii. Some members of the Committee also raised issue about the appropriateness of the loan agreement before the House since the Memorandum accompanying the loan to Parliament was not countersigned by the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning in accordance with the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335). The Minister for Local Government and Rural Development explained to the Committee that the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning had agreed to the terms of the loan but at the time it was being prepared

for Parliamentary consideration, the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning was out of the country.

The Minister for Local Government and Rural Development however produced to the satisfaction of the Committee a letter of Endorsement from the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning. (See Appendix attached.)

6.0 Conclusion

The Committee having closely examined the loan found it to be concessional and therefore recommends to the House to adopt this report and approve by resolution the Credit Facility Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and Agence Francaise de Development of France an amount of €10.0 million (ten million euros) for the Community-Based Rural Development Project in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act 1970, Act 335.

In case of reply the Number and date of this Letter should be quoted

“Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning P. O. Box M40 Accra

Our Ref. No. AFD/L/0.1/05 Your Ref. No. ………………… Tel. No. ……………………….

LETTER oF ENDoRSEMENT

I refer to the Memorandum to Parliament submitted by the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development in respect of the credit facility agreement between the Government of Ghana and Agence Francaise de Development for the Community-Based Rural Development Project.

I hereby endorse the said Memorandum which bears the signature of only the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development.

(Sgd.) KWADWO BAAH-WIREDU, MP
MINISTER 12:10 p.m.

THE SPEAKER 12:10 p.m.

PARLIAMENT HOUSE 12:10 p.m.

APPENDIX 12:10 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Item 16, hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning --
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if we can take item 17 first. We have a lot of our committee members also -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
All right. So we can take all Resolutions together, of course. Then, let us go to item 17.
Mr. osei-Prempeh 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
with your permission, I beg to move the motion on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee. I am a member of the Committee.
Suspension of Standing Order 80 (1)
M r. K w a m e o s e i - P r e m p e h (on behalf of the chairman of the committee): Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80 (1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the adoption of the Report of the Finance Committee on the Loan Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and the African Development Fund for an amount not exceeding the equivalent of one million, six hundred and eighty thousand Units of Account (UA 1,680,000) for Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weeds in West Africa may be moved today.
Mr. Adjaho 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Loan Agreement between GoG and African Development Fund
Mr. Kwame osei-Prempeh (on behalf of the chairman of the committee) 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Loan Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and the African Development Fund for an amount not exceeding the equivalent of one million, six hundred and eighty thousand Units of Account (UA 1,680,000) for Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weeds in West Africa.
1.0 Introduction
The above Loan Agreement was laid in the House on Friday, 22nd July 2005 and referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
The Committee met with the Minister for Environment and Science, hon. (Ms.) Christine Churcher, Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Kwaku Agyemang-Manu and officials from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, Ministry of Environment and Science as well as Environmental Protection Agency and reports as follows:
2.0 Background
Mr. Kwame osei-Prempeh (on behalf of the chairman of the committee) 12:10 p.m.


Aquatic weed infestation is a major concern to this country because many ponds, dams and major rivers in the country's river basins have become infested with various forms of aquatic weeds. These include submerged plants such as Vallisneria and Ceratophyllum as well as floating plants as Pistia, Salvinia voccia and Water Hyacinth. Invasive aquatic weeds have become a nuisance in some West African water bodies.

The extent of infestation is varied. It is estimated that between 15 and 40 per cent of open water surface of most reservoirs, are infested. In the Tano- Abby-Ehy Lagoon Complex, which is shared by Ghana and la Cote d'Ivoire, over 50 hectares of open water is covered by floating vegetation such as water hyacinth, Vossia and Scirpus.

The Oti River which is shared by Ghana and Togo, between 5 and 30 per cent of water surface has been infested by water hyacinth at various locations with the estimated coverage of infestation of about 680 hectares.

3.0 Project Description

The main components of the project are as follows:

Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weeds

Capacity Building

Project Co-ordination

5.0 Terms and conditions

The terms and conditions of the loan facility are as follows:

Loan Amount -- UA1,680,000 (US$2.4 million

equivalent)

Interest Rate -- 0 per cent (no interest charge)

Service Charge -- 0.785 per cent per annum on the

principal amount of the loan disbursed

and outstanding from time to time

Commitment Charge -- 0.50 per cent per annum on undisbursed

amount of the loan

Grace Period -- 10 years

Repayment Period -- 40 years (exclusive of grace period)

Respectfully submitted.

commencing from the date of this agreement at the rate of 1 per cent per annum from the 11th to 20th year inclusive and the rate of 3 per cent per annum thereafter

Repayment shall be semi-annually on 1st March and 1st September each year.

Concessionality Rate: -- 78.4 per cent

6.0 observations

The Committee made the following observations:

i. That aquatic weed infestation has created several socio-economic problems for communities whose livelihoods depend on resources from the water. It is also threatening several water supply schemes.

ii. That the submerged weeds provide sanctuary for snails that are hosts of bilharzia. As a result high prevalence rates of the disease (20.4 per cent to 48.1 per cent) have been recorded in many parts of the Volta Basin. Furthermore the submerged weeds in Kpong Head-pond, a silt trap which compromises its water storage capacity and life span. In addition this high transpiration rate of water hyacinth causes serious water loss from the Volta Lake.
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iii. That due to the serious adverse impact of the aquatic weeds on the socio- economic livelihood of the affected communities, ECOWAS approached ADB for funds to conduct a study on ‘Regional Floating Weeds Control in ECOWAS Member States'.

iv. That the study recommended a regionally co-ordinated integrated management project for the removal and control of the weeds. The affected countries therefore requested ADB to finance a Regional Floating Weeds Control Programme. The African Development Fund (ADF) accepted to provide a multinational loan to support a project on Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weed in seven ECOWAS member states and Mauritania to the tune of UA10,200,000. Out of this Ghana is to receive a loan of UA1,680,000 and a grant

of UA210,000.

v. That the facility would benefit participating ECOWAS countries, the affected communities and the nation as a whole in controlling aquatic weeds, reduction in water-borne diseases, provision of employment for communities and also enhance capacity building.

vi. The Committee further observed that the expected benefits of the project in Ghana include:

Significant reduction of weed infestation.

Between 150,000 and 300,000 peop le wi th in the a ffec ted communities will be sensitized and mobilized for aquatic weed

management.

Fifty village committees of 20 members each to be organized to manage aquatic weeds.

Capacity building for motoring aquatic weeds infestation.

Training of 300 compost-based vegetable farmers.

Aquatic weeds to be turned into compost.

Five technicians to be trained in integrated management of aquatic weeds.

Insect rearing units built for biological control of the weeds. Insect rearing pools established.

Livelihoods of affected com- munities enhanced.

Significant reduction in poverty levels in communities.

Increased fish landing will be improved in affected fishing communities.

The Commit tee no ted wi th satisfaction that the loan facility has a concessionality rate of 78.4 per cent.

7.0 Conclusion

In view of the benefits to be derived from the project and the high concessionality involved, the Committee recommends to the House to adopt this report and approve by resolution the Loan Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and the

African Development Fund (ADF) for an amount not exceeding the equivalent of one million, six hundred and eighty thousand Units of Account (UA1,680,000) (US$2.4 million equivalent) for Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weeds in West Africa in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act 1970, Act 335.

Hon. Members are also invited to approve the required tax and duty exemption in the sum of seventy-two thousand, four hundred and seventy- five United States Dollars (US$72,475) for specified machinery, equipment and vehicles for the project as well as required income tax exemption for expatriate personnel in accordance with article 174 (2) of the Constitution.

In case of reply the number and date of this letter should be quoted

“The Commissioner P. O. Box 68 Accra

Fax: 233-21-660019

April 21, 2005

THE HON. MINISTER

MINISTRY OF FINANCE & ECONOMIC
PLANNING 12:10 p.m.

ACCRA 12:10 p.m.

APPENDIX 12:10 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
We take item 21.
Suspension of Standing Order 80 (1)
Mr. Kwadwo Agyei-Addo (on behalf of the chairman) 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80 (1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the adoption of the Report of the Finance Committee on the Development Credit Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and International Development Association (IDA) for an amount of SDR 26.5 million (US$40.00 million equivalent) to finance the
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Mr. Adjaho 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to second the motion. The purpose of the loan is to finance the West Africa Power Pool Programme. This was a project that started during the previous Administration of the National Democratic Congress (NDC) -- [Hear! Hear!] -- and that we should do everything possible now that the new Administration has seen wisdom in our project and is pursing it, we have no alternative but to support the Government.
Mr. Speaker, we have already approved the $40 million already drawn from the Barclays Bank in this direction. We have passed a lot of legislation in this House in this direction, and I think that this is consequent to some of the earlier actions that this honourable House has taken. Mr. Speaker, the terms are favourable to this country and I support the motion.
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority
Leader, I am reminding you that we are dealing with a procedural motion. That was all. So whatever it is, you may support that.
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West Africa Power Pool Programme may be moved today.
Mr. Adjaho 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am very sorry.
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.
That is all right.
Question put and motion agreed to.

Development credit Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and International Development

Association (IDA)

Vice Chairman of the Committee (Mr. Kwadwo Agyei-Addo): Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Development Credit Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and International Development Association (IDA) for an amount of SDR 26.5 million (US $40.00 million equivalent) to finance the West Africa Power Pool Programme.

In doing so, I now wish to present herewith the Report of your Finance
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.


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Respectfully sumbmitted.

Committee, and I would want to plead that I should be allowed to read only the Introduction and the Conclusion. Concurrently, I would request that you will instruct the Hansard to capture the full body of the report to have the same import and effect as if the whole report was read in this august House.

1.0 Introduction

The above Development Credit Agreement was laid in the House on Friday, 22nd July 2005 and referred to the Finance Committee in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.

The Committee met with the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Kwaku Agyemang-Manu, Deputy Minister for Energy, Hon. K. T. Hammond, as well as officials from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and Ministry of Energy and reports as follows:

2.0 Background

Hon. Members may recall that in June 2004, the House approved the ECOWAS Energy Protocol (EEP) which was adopted by the authority of Heads of State and Government of ECOWAS under Decision A/DEC dated January 17, 2003 to serve as a framework for policy reform.

In this regard, it was agreed that

improvements in institutional capacity and increase in investments in the energy sector of the participating countries are needed to implement the protocol.

The West Africa Power Pool Programme (WAPP) is a regional infrastructural development programme of the ECOWAS fully united with the goals of NEPAD.
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.


3.0 Project Objectives

The objectives of the project are to extend the lifetime and improve the lifespan and improve the quality of the bulk power transmission system by providing investment support to replace and expand facilities and provide technical assistance.

The project will include the:

(i) construction of Aboadze-Tema 330 kV transmission line

( i i ) r e h a b i l i t a t i o n o f Kpong hydropower plant project

( i i i ) c o n s t r u c t i o n o f Bolgatanga- Ouagadougou transmission line project

( i v ) c o n s t r u c t i o n o f Aboadze- Prestea transmission line project

(v) upgrading of the Volta River Authority (VRA) system control centre project.

4.0 Project Components

The components of the project are as follows:

(i) to upgrade the Volta Segment of the Coastal Transmission backbone which consists of 121 km of 330 single circuit transmission line from Aboadze to the VRA substation at Tema;

(ii) to provide a 330 kV switchyard at Aboadze, equipped with phase shifting transformer;

(iii) to supply and install terminal equipment at the Aboadze and Volta substations.

4.1. Conditions of the Project

The conditions of the project are as follows:

to carry out the project with due diligence and efficiency and in conformity with sound engineering and public utility practice;

to employ Engineering Consultants acceptable to and on terms and conditions satisfactory to the Fund;

to cause all goods satisfactory to the loan to be used exclusive for the project.

4.2. Project Description

The project will include among others:

(i) the construction of appro- ximately 215 km of 330 kV single circuit transmission line from Aboadze to Volta;

(ii) a 330 kV switchyard at Aboadze, equipped with phase shifting transformer;

( i i i ) a 330 kV substat ion at Volta adjacent to the Volta Opera- tional Control Centre;

( iv) supply and ins ta l la t ion o f t e r m i n a l e q u i p m e n t at the Aboadze and Volta substations;

(v) supply and installation of switchgear equipment at the Akosombo and the Volta substations;
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(vi) supply and installation of equipment for reinforcement and extension of Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) facilities.

5.0 Terms and conditions of the credit

The terms and conditions of the credit are as follows:

Amount -- SDR26.5 million (US$40 million equivalent)

Term of Credit -- 30 years

Moratorium -- 10 years

Service Charge -- three-fourth of one per cent (¾ of 1%) per a n n u m i s payable on the principal amount of the Credit withdrawn and outstanding from time to time

Repayment -- semi-annual instalments shall commence on 1st September, 2015 and end on 1st March 2045.

6.0 observations

The Committee made the following observations:

i. That this project would ensure a reliable power supply which is critical to national development. It would also ensure a reliable transfer of power from the western corridor to other sections of the country.

ii. That the West Africa Power Pool Programme (WAPP) would reduce power

transfer losses in the principal transmission networks.

iii. That the project would outlay efficient coverage of peak power demand through economy power exchanges between WAPP member countries.

iv. That this project will increase cross-border electricity trade between WAPP member countries;

v. That the credit will be on-lent to the Volta River Authority (VRA) under a subsidiary loan agreement and the Government of Ghana would exercise its rights under the subsidiary loan agreement to protect its interest and to achieve the purpose of the project.

vi. That due to Ghana's extensive electricity infrastructure and its competitive generation base, the West Africa Power for Programme offers the power sector in Ghana access to the wider subregional power market.

It will also allow Ghana access, should the need arise, to comparatively economical sources of electricity in the ECOWAS region. This will assist in making our industries competitive in the subregion and on the international market.

(IDA) for an amount of SDR 26.5 million (US$40.00 million equivalent) to finance the West Africa Power Pool Programme in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act 1970 (Act 335).

Respectfully submitted.

Deputy Minority Leader (Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho): Mr. Speaker, I rise to second the motion. I think that the terms of this IDA loan are favourable and I call on hon. Members to support the motion.

Question put and motion agreed to.

Resolved accordingly.

Suspension of Standing Order 80 (1)

Vice Chairman of the Committee (Mr. Kwadwo Agyei-Addo): Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80 (1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the adoption of the Report of the Finance Committee on the Second Financial Protocol between the Republic of Ghana and the Kingdom of Spain for an amount of sixty-five million euros (E65,000,000) for the implemen-tation of various development projects and programmes may be moved today.

I so move.

Capt. Nkrabeah Effah-Dartey (retd): Mr. Speaker, I second the motion.

Question put and motion agreed to.

Second Financial Protocol between the Republic of Ghana and the

Kingdom of Spain

Vice Chairman of the Committee (Mr. Kwadwo Agyei-Addo): Mr. Speaker, before I move this motion, I would want us to have a correction made. On the Order Paper, the motion is for €65,000,000. Unfortunately, the report of the Committee gave the figure of €60,000.000. So I would request that, that mistake is corrected.
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.
To which figure?
Mr. Agyei-Addo 12:20 p.m.
To €65,000,000.
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.
All right, go ahead.
Mr. Agyei-Addo 12:20 p.m.
And secondly, the Resolution too captures €60,000,000 instead of €65,000,000 and that one actually needs to be corrected.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Second Financial Protocol between the Republic of Ghana and the Kingdom of Spain for an amount of sixty-five million euros (€65,000,000) for the implementation of various development projects and programmes. And in moving this motion, I want to present the report of your Committee on Finance and with your indulgence crave that I would be allowed to read the Background and the Conclusion, while at the same time you instruct the Hansard to capture the whole body of the report as having been read in its entirety.
1.0 Introduction
The Second Financial Protocol was laid in the House on Friday, 22nd July 2005 and referred to the Finance Committee in accordance with the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
The Committee met with the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Kwaku Agyemang-Manu, the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs,
Mr. Agyei-Addo 12:20 p.m.


vii. The Committee observed that for system security and reliability there is the need to construct the transmission line from Aboadze to Tema, Bolgatanga to Ouagadougou and Aboadze to Prestea as quickly as possible.

viii. It was further observed that at the present load levels on the transmission system, the loss of any line segment would result in disturbances that could lead to total collapse of the supply system. The commissioning of the 330 kV line would also bring about greater operational stability.

ix. The Committee finally observed that the major components of the project are:

to deve lop an “opera t iona l mitigation and security plan” for the 330 kV Coastal Transmission backbone;

to develop a strategy to optimize power genera t ion f rom the Akosombo and Kpong hydropower facilities including regional peaking

supply;

to provide technical assistance to the Ministry of Energy and other regulatory bodies for licensing, regulations, tariff formulation, bid documents and other contracts to establish an autonomous trans- mission utility;

to provide technical assistance to VRA to develop a strategy to optimize power generation from the Akosombo and Kpong hydropower facilities, including regional peaking supply;

to improve procurement procedures for electric power exchanges.

7.0 Conclusion

In view of the benefits to be derived from the project, the Committee recommends to the House to adopt its Report and approve by resolution the Credit Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and International Development Association
Mr. Kwame Osei-Prempeh (NPP -- Nsuta Kwamang/Beposo) 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion. Mr. Speaker, in doing so, I want to say that this is a continuation of a process which started in 1998 with the then Ghana Government. Mr. Speaker, somewhere along the line, there was a break but after a good performance by the then Ghana Government, the Spanish Government decided to continue with the process.
Mr. Speaker, we are told that this one is for a two-year period. After the two- year period, we are going to enjoy another facility from 2007 with an enhanced amount. Therefore, it is a very good package for Ghana and the country
stands to benefit a lot and I will urge all hon. Members to support it so that the poor people of this country can enjoy the benefits.
Question proposed.
Deputy Minority Leader (Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho): Mr. Speaker, before I support the motion, I need clarification from the Committee. Mr. Speaker, I am not against the loan in principle but if you look at the memorandum submitted by the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning and you look at the Committee's Report, you will notice that some of the earlier projects have not been fully completed. They

have not told us how they are going to complete them and how they are going to raise money to complete them, and they are also not telling us whether they will use part of this money to complete the uncompleted ones.

Mr. Speaker, page 1 of the Report --Supply of Fire Fighting Equipment -- Status -- Completed. Akwapim Ridge Water -- that under the protocol of 1998 -- Completed; Eastern Region Six Towns Water Project -- About 85 per cent Completed; Supply of Equipment to UDS and the Ten Polytechnics -- About 65 - 70 per cent Completed; Supply of Equipment to Korle-Bu Cardio Unit, Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital and Hospitals Network -- About 70 per cent Completed.

Is it for the acquisition of tractors? Are we going to use it to buy tractors? Are we going to use it for irrigation?

They should be able to tell us that so that we are very clear in our minds that Parliament has approved so much for the Ministry of Food and Agriculture for irrigation or for the purchase of tractors. We would know. So if at the end of it, the tractors do not come, then we can then ask questions -- where are the tractors? Where is the irrigation equipment?

Mr. Speaker, in this form, without those

explanations, some of us cannot support this Committee's Report. The loan is good, the terms are favourable, but we need further and better particulars so that we are very clear in our minds.
Majority Leader (Mr. Felix Owusu- Adjapong) 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am happy my hon. Colleague, the Deputy Minority Leader, says he is not against the loan in principle and therefore, we should be able to make progress.
Mr. Speaker, I have just sent for the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning who is also with the joint Committee of Finance and Commu-nications to work on the Ghana Broadcasting Corporation loan.
But Mr. Speaker, from the statement he made, it looks like he has been able to give us an answer. He himself says that there is going to be a feasibility report for which an amount of five million euros has been indicated. If that is what is in the Report, then it means that if anybody says he is in the position to give the exact amount for each of the sectors now, that will be pure guesswork. I believe what we are being called upon to do is that these are the sectors we would want the moneys to go to.
Take the five million euros; have the feasibility studies and then see to what
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Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC -- Jomoro) 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Majority Leader is not only misleading the House but he is confusing the House. You cannot take a loan before you do a feasibility study and before you even share the loan among the various sectors. If you do not know how much a project costs, how can you go for a loan? This is because you do not know the amount involved. It is a strange way of doing business. He is turning the whole thing upside down.
We take the five million, go and do whatever feasibility studies we want, determine the amount of money we need, the type of projects we would want to do, before we go for a loan. That is how it is done.
Mr. Alfred K. Agbesi (NDC -- Ashaiman) 12:30 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that I also support the call for the Committee to tell this House what they are going to use the money for, specifically.
Mr. Speaker, nobody gets up and goes to take money without telling the one who is giving him the money what he is going to use the money for. So when they went and sourced for the loan, they would have told the one who is giving us the money what programmes they were going to use
the money for; and that is exactly what we are calling on them to tell us now.
Mr. Speaker, I support this loan because when I read the “Observations” of the Report, it talks about the targets set for the Ghana Poverty Reduction Strategy. That is a good idea. Yes, we are poor and we are seeking a loan to take us out of the poverty line.
Mr. Speaker, I would also be happy if they are able to tell us what specifically we are going to use this money for -- for instance, agriculture, transport, fisheries. I would expect that if we are taking the loan for agriculture, we remember for sure that there is Aveyime Rice Project which is at a standstill. I would have expected that this loan going into agriculture, so much would be put into revamping the rice project at Aveyime.
Mr. Speaker, the Accra Plains have been lying fallow. Governments come and go. They talk about production of rice, and the Accra Plains are so suited for the production of rice. Meanwhile, we are not being told what is happening in Accra Plains. When you go from Dawhenya towards Ada the land is fallow; it is lying and nothing is being done to this land. We are taking a loan for agriculture, for fisheries. What is it exactly they are going to use this money for?
Mr. Speaker, I will support this loan but let me know that this House in approving it, approves it for a purpose for which when we go to our constituencies, we will be able to tell those who elected us that we have agreed on this loan and this is what we have put it down for.
Mr. Speaker, it is also calling for health. Yes, there are a lot of issues concerning health -- hospitals, clinics and health centres are there. Sometimes, personnel to man them are not there. We train our doctors but maybe, the conditions are not favourable for them, they are not manning
Minister for the Interior (Papa owusu-Ankomah) 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that if hon. Members request to know the broad areas that this loan would be allocated to, they are right. I can say that part of this loan is for public safety. Under that package, the Police Service will have a world-class forensic laboratory; it is part of it. Apart from that, under the protocols, the Ghana Immigration Service (GIS) will have technical support -- [Interruption.]
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey 12:40 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is actually not addressing the issue. The issue here is, do not verbally tell us what the loan is going to do. Document it so that our children would see that 16 years ago, this is what the money was used for. But to be telling us, “security of the Police, Immigration”, is it part of the documen- tation?
Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Hon. Minister for the Interior, you may continue.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is really a point of argument. The hon. Member -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
I am saying you should continue.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if he had waited patiently for me he would have known that I was arriving at a point.
Mr. Speaker, there are even sections for Fisheries and I am surprised that this was not part of the Report, because I distinctly recall that at Cabinet we agreed on all these things and I believe the Minister even signed something like that; so it must have been an oversight. I am sure that before we complete the debate, this list will come and hon. Members would know about it.
Mr. E. P. Aidoo 12:40 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is still confusing us and misleading the House. If you look at what the first financial protocol was about, in 1998, we had some figures which were allocated to various
Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
That is not a point of order.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, it seems as if this is a point of confusion -- [Laughter.] The hon. Member, with all due respect, should attempt to “de- confuse” himself because he is bringing the confusion upon himself.
Mr. Speaker, as I was saying, these areas that are going to be supported, it is important that hon. Members know about them -- [Interruption.] Yes, and I have conceded. I was just giving the background leading to this financial protocol. I am not saying that I am responding directly to the concerns of hon. Members, so if hon. Members should allow me to complete my contribution -- [Interruption.]
Mr. E. T. Mensah 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, our point is simple. Once the hon. Minister has conceded, he should sit down and provide us with the information because
he would recall that when this issue was being discussed, my good Friend, hon. Baah-Wiredu who is now the Finance and Economic Planning Minister was interested in the details and so the details were provided; that was in 1998.
So we are saying that what he needs to do, if it is an oversight -- We agree that Cabinet was seized with the information but it was an oversight that is why he does not have it here. So we need to have the information. We have adopted the Report. The Committee should have provided all these things, so instead of points of order -- he was rather wasting our time. He is more confused. We were wasting our time, having conceded that this information has not been provided.
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Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
This was only a point of order to what the hon. Minister for the Interior was saying. If he is prepared to yield to you -- Minister for the Interior, this was a point of order against you. The Majority Leader wants to say or join in the argument. If you are prepared to concede to him, then he would take it over from you.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have said that the -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 12:40 p.m.
Are you going to yield to the Majority Leader who wants to contribute?
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:40 p.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I yield to him.
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning is arranging to get us the Schedule but whilst going along with it -- in fact, that is why I was ringing my office to find out whether it is in -- I believe that apart from the list people may want to contribute also to the general philosophy relating to it; and I believe that is what the Minister of the Interior will

He said he accepts the fact that the details might be there but whilst waiting for it, he was trying to describe the benefits that may accrue to his Ministry. That was what he was arguing on. And therefore, if others who have some other general comments other than the request made, can be making their contributions, we can make progress; then when we get the list, it would be given because he did not say he is not going to provide it. He said he would provide it within some few minutes; that is all.
Mr. Adjaho 12:40 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, this is a very simple matter. We are not against the loan, as I indicate. But we should not forget that the motion before us is to adopt the Committee's Report, and the Committee's Report has not provided the information that we are talking about, and so that is the motion before us now. The Committee, as a committee, is supposed to tell us. The Report of the Committee has not included those things and I just want the hon. Majority Leader to take that into account. That is the truth of the matter.
Mr. Speaker, you referred the matter to your Committee on Finance to investigate and report to this House, so if the Report does not satisfy the basic requirements of this House, the only thing is to step it down and then go and provide the information, incorporate it in the Report and then we move on. Mr. Speaker, for most of the motions we have been doing, I speak, another person speaks, and then the Question is put; it does not raise any controversy. We want that to be incorporated and then we vote on it and we move forward. That is all. So if there is any other business then we can step this motion down and take another important public business, and once they have put their house in order, they can give the information to the Finance Committee and then we would be able to take it on.
Mr. Adjaho 12:40 p.m.
Sit down, you are not the Majority Leader.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Deputy Minority Leader, I am sure you want us to make progress. You stated your case that you support this motion. This is what you said.
Mr. Adjaho 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if we do not get those pieces of information --
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
No, no! I just want to be --
Mr. Adjaho 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we support the loan in principle, subject to making sure that we know in Agriculture how much it is and what they want to do under agriculture. In Fisheries, in water, is my constituency also benefiting from water and how much is going there?
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Will it be in order if these particulars are supplied to you later so that in the meantime we take the motion since you do not oppose it in principle?
Mr. Adjaho 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, at this stage, the Report we are dealing with is from a Committee of this House; it is a Committee Report that we are being asked to adopt and the Committee Report does not include that information. So the Committee Report, to that extent, is in a way not complete, because those pieces of information are not there. I think that the best thing to do is that -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Deputy Minority Leader, I have asked you a question. You remember when you stood up to support you did so bearing in mind that you had read the Report of the Committee as well, was that not so? You had read the Report of the Committee and that was why you
stood up to support the motion, is that not the case?
Mr. Adjaho 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, what I said in my submission was that we are not against the loan but we need certain pieces of information which are not in the Committee's Report and I believe that the Committee at the committee level should have asked the Ministry to provide those pieces of information to be incorporated in the Report just like the previous ones we have just approved. The Committee has not done that work and it is the Committee that is in issue here. It is not even the Ministry, it is not even the Government; it is the Committee. They have not provided us with the information for us to adopt their Report -- [Inter-ruption] -- I am sure the Government has it, but it is not here.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Deputy Minority Leader, are you saying we should step it down or go ahead and then later on the Minister or whoever is responsible supplies the details?
Mr. Adjaho 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, my suggestion is that let us step it down so that we look at another Government Business.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have not completed my contribution. Members on the other side have contributed -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Minister for the Interior, you have not been called upon; I have not called you yet. Minister for the Interior?
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:50 p.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for permitting me to continue with my contribution on this matter. Mr. Speaker, I believe that the broad areas that are the subject-matter of this loan are areas that would propel the development
Mr. E. T. Mensah 12:50 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, he is repeating the issues that we are objecting to. We want the details and that was why I referred him to the current Minister for Finance and Economic Planning who was then in opposition. We always insisted that we should have the details. What are some of the fire fighting equipment?
As part of the 1998 Protocol, there were issues for which details were given and the issues were put forward for fire fighting and the Interior Ministry. So we are saying that we do not want to listen to the story that he is telling us because he has told us that Cabinet was seized with all the information; we want the information here before we can proceed. That is what we are talking about. Let us step it down and bring the information and then we move forward.
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe you want us to make progress and I wanted to make a suggestion to my hon. Colleague, the Deputy Minority Leader. Mr. Speaker, I believe that we have two opportunities of looking at this particular transaction -- there is the motion and there is the resolution. Mr. Speaker, I can say for sure that the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning has called for those details for the House. Mr. Speaker, I believe that Committees are Committees of the House. If the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning were not to be here I would have said, all right, let us refer this thing back to the Committee for them to call the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning.
Luckily, the Minister is here and he says he is bringing the information. So it means the House must be in a position to receive
the information without necessarily passing through the Committee. I was going to suggest that with this assurance that the figure would be given, perhaps, we can agree to take the motion but not take the resolution until the figures have been given, because we have that opportunity. But if this is not comfortable then we can step the whole matter down and then go with the other resolution while we wait for it. So it is a question of us trusting one another.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Leadership, is there any compromise?
Mr. E. T. Mensah 12:50 p.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, we should step it down and take another Government Business.
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Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
Minister for the Interior, are you part of the Leadership which took that decision?
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was on my feet contributing to a debate.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
You want to continue?
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:50 p.m.
I want to conclude.
Mr. Speaker 12:50 p.m.
All right, please continue.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, and even for Transport we are going to have the construction of steel bridges. This particular Protocol, as I said, has delayed; we have two years within which to complete all these projects and I am sure that during his summing up the Chairman of the Committee will supply these details which the Committee inadvertently left out of the Report.
Certainly, the Report refers to selected projects, so the details would have to be

supplied by the Chairman. But I want to say that this Protocol has been arrived at after a lot of discussions, despite all the impediments that were put in our way because of our failure to enter into the Immigration Agreement. And I urge hon. Members to support the motion because the details, when supplied, we would all be convinced that it is in the best interest of our country.
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am told by the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning that the information is now available so if he can be permitted to read it.
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think hon. Members are right that they have not seen the details but in what we have brought as the Memorandum, the attachment is there. It is just unfortunate; either the Committee did not get it or something happened. So it is just unfortunate; but the details are here. Mr. Speaker, Fisheries had an allocation of five million euros in respect of mini cold stores; Agriculture - [Interruption.]
Mr. E. T. Mensah 12:50 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, our concern is that he has not made this available to us; we are not asking him to come and read it out to us. If he can make photocopies and circulate them then we would make progress.
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the assurance is that the details are here; and obviously copies would be made available to all hon. Members; and we shall do it within the shortest possible time. [Interruptions.]
Mr. E.T. Mensah 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we know that the details are here but it is not obvious that we have them; so our demand or request is that copies should be made available. We have agreed that this should be stood down for copies to be made available for us to make progress.
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority Leader, the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, at least, has brought a certain document. He is prepared to make copies available to us but, in the meantime, would you not allow him to go through it and make copies available to you in due course?
Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, you know this information has not been made available to your Committee on Finance. As I said, we support the loan in principle but we need information.
Now, the hon. Minister can just give a copy of whatever he is holding to our Ranking Member because he made a very important statement that they were there and they were supposed to be attached. What was laid did not contain that document that he is talking about, and that has created part of the problem.
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority Leader, if you were against the motion I would not have made that suggestion to you. But since you support it and the hon. Minister has all the necessary particulars before us, would you be kind to allow him to go through this at the same time as he makes copies available to your Ranking Member so that we make progress?
Mr. Adjaho 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have been dealing with the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning for sometime, especially when they were in the opposition. I know him very well. Mr. Speaker, we want to look at that document because reading something to us that we have not seen is not in the interest of this House. He should make the document available; let us look at it and nobody is going to contradict him, we would just approve this loan.
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.
Well, I will stand it down

Hon. Member, I will call you in two
Mr. Adjaho 1 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have just
been given a copy of the breakdown and the projects for which we are going to use it. But Mr. Speaker, we may want to listen to the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning now. There are certain clarifications that he has to give. So let us listen to him now; we have the documents.
Mr. Speaker 1 p.m.
Hon. Minister for
Finance and Economic Planning, do you have anything to say?
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
I do not have much to say. I think the Committee's Report is good. Paragraphs 2 and 3 obviously have stated all that they are talking about, with regard to their observations. The details under Observation, 5.2 are what have been asked for; and that is what we have also provided.
So I will just appeal to our hon. Colleagues to approve of the loan and then -- [Interruption] -- Mr. Speaker, looking at 5.2, under “Fisheries” -- 5.0 million euros has been provided for mini cold stores. Under “Agriculture”, 4.0 million euros has been provided for agricultural silos and then another 4.0 million euros for solar-driven pumps for irrigation. And then 10 million euros has been provided under “Health” -- nationwide equipment all over the country.
Then under “Roads”, we have 5.0million euros for earth-moving equipment; and then 5.0 million euros for steel works. Under “Interior”, steel bridges -- 8.0 million euros for CID: AFIS, et cetera, for equipment and communication network equipment; and then another 2.0 million euros for Police/Prisons for the supply of equipment and vehicles. Under “Energy” -- Solar Rural Electrication (Ph. II) -- we have 10.0 million euros; and then under “Water” -- Ministry of Works
and Housing -- 10.0 million euros for water supply projects.

So Mr. Speaker, it is sixty million euros and then a grant of five million, making a total of sixty-five million euros. So Mr. Speaker, I think the details are also here for all of us to work on.
Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
we have no objection to allocation to Fisheries; we know they are going to use it to run mini cold stores. Mr. Speaker, we have no objection to the allocation to Agriculture; we know we are going to build silos and solar-driven pumps for irrigation. For Roads, we have no objection; for Interior, we have no objection.
Mr. Speaker, for Health, we have objection, for Energy, we have no objection; for Water, we have objection because they just said “water supply”; but to where? Is it for rural water? Is it for Ghana Water Company? Which areas are we talking about? Mr. Speaker, these are the things that we are talking about. On those areas we have a certain idea but if they say ten million euros for water --Water for Greater Accra or for my constituency?
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority
Leader, I think I have to put the Question now.
Mr. Adjaho 1:10 p.m.
So Mr. Speaker, they
should let the House know. It is in the interest of the House; its in the interest of good governance and it is in the interest of Government that this information is made available to this House so that afterwards when we are questioned about this loan and why we approved it we would be sure that we approved it because we knew

where they were going; and we can then be in a position to perform our oversight responsibility. We do not know where the water is going but, Mr. Speaker, I think that they have done very well and let us just conclude by them giving us that information.

Mr. Speaker, it is in the interest of the House. Under Interior they have given us every detail.
Mr. Baah-Wiredu 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the points are well made, but if we agree with the point on Fisheries and we say mini cold stores, I think obviously they are within the country. If we agree to that but we have not given specific names -- I think water is under the Ministry of Works and Housing, there are ongoing projects that they have to be working on and they have to negotiate them out. If we talk about Agriculture -- solar-driven pumps for irrigation -- is it for Akatsi or where? I think that these details, obviously as and when they are working on them -- They are there so once we agree on the principles and the “sub-sub details” have been given, the “sub-sub-sub details” can come on as we are moving along.
So Mr. Speaker, I think the debate has been very interesting, we are prepared to, at any given time, provide additional information on any of the sectors; and I think you have to put the Question.
Question put and motion agreed to:
That this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Second Financial Protocol between the Republic of Ghana and the Kingdom of Spain for an amount of sixty-five million euros (E65,000,000) for the implementation of various d e v e l o p m e n t p r o j e c t s a n d

programmes.

Suspension of Standing order of 80

(1)

Chairman of the Committee (Mr. F.

A. Agbotse): Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80(1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the adoption of the Report of the Committee on Subsidiary Legislation on the West African Gas Pipeline Regulations, 2005 (L.I. 1814) may be moved today.
Mr. E. P. Aidoo (NDC -- Sefwi Wiawso) 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly. Report of the committee on
Subsidiary Legislation on the West African Gas Pipeline
Mr. F. A. Agbotse 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, That this honourable House adopts the Report of the Committee on Subsidiary Legislation on the West African Gas Pipeline Regulations, 2005
(L.I. 1814).
Mr. Speaker, I plead that the Hansard captures the Report in full while I give some of the details.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to present the Report of the Committee.
1.0 Introduction
Mr. F. A. Agbotse 1:10 p.m.
The West African Gas Pipeline
Regulations 2005, L.I. 1814 was laid before the House on Wednesday, 29th June 2005 in accordance with article 11 (7) of the 1992 Constitution and subsequently referred to the Committee on Subsidiary Legislation for consideration and report pursuant to Standing Order 166 of Parliament.
2.0 Deliberations
In considering the referral the Committee held a total of two sittings with officials from the Ministry of Energy led by the Deputy Minister.
3.0 Reference Documents
During its deliberations on the Instrument, the Committee had recourse to the underlisted documents:
i. The 1992 Constitution ii. The Standing Orders of Parliament;
and
iii. The West African Gas Pipeline Act 2004, Act 681.
4.0 Object of the Instrument
The Regulations under reference seek to provide a consistent and enforceable standard code to govern the design, construction, operation and maintenance of the Gas Pipeline System, which will harmonise the regulation of Gas production and distribution in each Member State, namely Nigeria, Benin, Togo and Ghana.
5.0 Background
The West African Gas Pipeline Act, Act 681 that came into force in the year
2004, empowered the Minister for Energy to make Regulations by Legislative Instrument to govern, among others, the following matters:
Standards and procedures for the design and construction of the pipeline system incorporating the agreed design standards, including standards and procedures for testing and commissioning, operation and maintenance with particular reference to repair, testing and checking of pipeline system, measurement to be used.
Health and safety requirements and practices for the pipeline system and environmental operating require- ments as well as those of qualifi- cations and experience for operating personnel and companies, and the periodic reporting to the West African Gas Pipeline Authority.
Procedures to deal with emergency situations including circumstances in which the company may be required to suspend its operations for reasons of risk to health, safety or the environment as well as those for the termination, resumption of operation of the pipeline system and that of abandonment.
The rights of inspection to be granted to the West African Gas Pipeline Authority and a Regime providing for the imposition of penalties on the companies.
All drawings, plans, designs and other technical documents made or prepared by the company for the purpose of the project, and any plans for the fabrication or construction of the pipeline system.
Procedures for the conduct of

hearings of the West African Gas Pipeline Authority, where appropriate, under the West African Gas Pipeline Authority Regulations including procedures for review by the Fiscal Review Board, appeals to the West African Gas Pipeline Authority Tribunal and review by the Committee of Ministers in accordance with the Treaty.

5.0 General observations

The Committee observes that the L.I. 1814 contains specific regulations on the following:

(a) The granting and variation of permit to survey including the rights of companies under such permit;

(b) The design, construction, inspection and testing of pipeline system including specifications on equipment and prohibited material;

(c) The operation, maintenance and safety work practice procedures, emergency response and damage prevention plans, leakage surveys, inspection and testing as well as operator qualification programmes;

(d) Protection and corrosion control including repair of corroded pipes as well as intelligent pig plan;

(e) Permit;

(f) Prohibited conduct including adjudication and consequential judicial orders;

g) Investigation of matters involving incident data collection and the

testing and analysis of specimen;

(h) Discontinuation, abandonment and resumption of pipeline system.

(i) Record keeping and assess for the Authority;

(j) Liability to penalties including the amount to be imposed, its assessment as well as payment of costs;

(k) Hearings of the Authority, appeals and the specific rules of procedure to apply; and

(l) Transitional provisions for the purpose of legitimizing pre-legislative actions taken with regard to execution of the project.

6.0 Benefits to Member States

The Committee noted with satisfaction that the Regulations contain specific standards which would govern the exploration and exportation of petroleum gas and related products both upstream and midstream with the view to ensuring optimum realization of the object of the West African Gas Pipeline Authority in the mutual benefit of four Member States.

The Committee also noted with satisfaction that all Member States of the West African Gas Pipeline Project stand to gain substantially from the project when it fully takes off. The Committee took particular note of the fact that ten per cent of the profit generated by the Authority would be shared equally among the four Member States. Forty-five per cent of the profit is to be shared in proportion to the volume of gas purchased by each

Member State while the remaining forty- five per cent is also shared in proportion to the length of each Member State's Gas pipeline.

The Committee also observed that the project, when made fully operational, would generate security in the production and supply of Gas to the four Member States and also help deepen regional co-operation and integration within the sub-region.

It is also gratifying to note that with the implementation of the project Ghana in particular would be able to reduce the cost of thermal power generation by thirty per cent which would result in cost effectiveness.

The Committee also learnt that apart from its economic viability, the production process allows for clean thermal power generation which would ensure a safe and clean environment.

Finally, the Committee considers the entire West African Gas Pipeline Project as an important economic activity, which if encouraged, would help facilitate inter- trade relations and also improve the economies of Member States.

7.0 Recommendations and Conclusion

The Committee has carefully examined the Regulations and is of the considered view that they are in conformity with the provisions of the Constitution, the Parent Act and the procedural requirements specified in Standing Order 166 of Parliament and accordingly recommends that this House allow the West African Gas Pipeline Regulations 2005, L.I. 1814 to come into force in accordance with article 11 (7) of the Constitution.

Respectfully submitted.
Mr. S. A. Akunye (NDC -- Pusiga) 1:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to second the motion, and in so doing may I say that these Regulations are going to complement the provisions of the Parent Act and make the whole exercise workable.
Question proposed.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Mr. Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon. Members, let us
look at item 5 (a) -- Minister for Energy?
Mr. Felix owusu-Adjapong 1:10 p.m.
Mr.
Speaker, I now have his mandate to lay the document on his behalf.
PAPERS 1:10 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon. Members, let us take these Resolutions. Page 16, item 16, Minister for Finance and Economic Planning?
RESoLUTIoNS
Credit Facility Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and Agence
Francaise de Development of France
Minister for Finance and Economic Planning (Mr. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu) 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335), the terms and conditions of any loan raised by the Government of Ghana on behalf of itself or any public institution or authority shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution supported by the votes of a majority of all Members of Parliament;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335) and at the request of the Government of Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of the Credit facility Agreement between the Republic of Ghana AND Agence Francaise de Development of France for an amount of E10.0 million (ten million euros) for the Community Based Rural Develop-ment Project.
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 1:20 p.m.

H E R E B Y R E S O LV E S A S 1:20 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Resolution 19 -- Minister for Finance and Economic Planning?
Mr. Adjaho 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, with the greatest respect, with regard to resolutions, because a certain number is needed, we normally do it by headcount and then it is announced and forms part of the Votes and Proceedings that we have. This number of people who -- [Inter-ruption.]
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
I have been informed by the Clerk that we have the numbers, that is why we are going on this way.
Loan Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and
the African Development Fund
Minister for Finance and Economic Planning (Mr. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu) 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335), the terms and conditions of any loan raised by the Government of Ghana on behalf of itself or any public institution or authority shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution supported by the votes of a majority

of all Members of Parliament;

PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335) and at the request of the Government of Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of the Loan Agreement between the Republic of Ghana AND the African Development Fund for an amount not exceeding the equivalent of one million, six hundred and eighty thousand units of account (UA 1,680,000) for Integrated Management Invasive Aquatic Weeds in West Africa.
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 1:20 p.m.

H E R E B Y R E S O LV E S A S 1:20 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Page 19, item 20 - Resolution -- Minister for Finance and Economic Planning?
Agreement on Exemption of Duties and Taxes between GOG and African
Development Fund
Minister for Finance and Economic Planning (Mr. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu) 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House is respectfully requested to adopt the following resolution:
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 174 (2) of the Constitution, Parliament is empowered to confer power on any person or authority to waive or vary a tax imposed by an Act of Parliament;
THE ExERCISE of any power conferred on any person or authority to waive or vary a tax in favour of any person or authority is by the said provisions made subject to the prior approval of Parliament by resolution;
BY THE combined operation of the provisions of section 26 (2) of the Customs, Excise and Preventive Service (Management) Law, 1993 (PNDCL 330), the Export and Import Act, 1995 (Act 503), the Export Development and Investment Fund Act, 2000 (Act 582), the Value Added Tax Act, 1998 (Act 546), the Value Added Tax (Amendment) Act, 2000 (Act 579) and other existing Laws and Regulations applicable to the collection of Customs duties and other taxes on the importation of goods into Ghana, the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning may exempt any statutory corporation, institution or individual from the payment of duties and taxes otherwise payable under the said Laws and Regulations or waive or vary the requirement of such statutory corporation, institution or individual to pay such duties and taxes;
IN ACCORDANCE with the
provisions of the Constitution and at the request of the Government of Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance and Economic Planning, there has been laid before Parliament a request by the Minister for Finance for the approval of the exercise by him of his power to waive such taxes and duties or to exempt the payment of taxes and duties on the importation of specified machinery, equipment and vehicles for the project and the required income tax for expatriate personnel amounting to seventy- two thousand, four hundred and seventy-five United States Dollar (US$72,475) into Ghana in respect of the Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and the African Development Fund for Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weeds in West Africa.
N O W T H E R E F O R E , t h i s honourable House hereby approves the exercise by the Minister responsible for Finance of the power granted to him by Parliament by Statute to waive such taxes and duties or to exempt the payment of such taxes and duties on specified machinery, equipment and vehicles for the project and the required income tax for expatriate personnel amounting to seventy-two thousand, four hundred and seventy-five United States Dollar (US$72,474) in respect of the Agreement between the Republic of Ghana and the African Development Fund for Integrated Management of Invasive Aquatic Weeds in West Africa.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Resolution 23 -- Minister for Finance and Economic Planning?
Development credit Agreement
Minister for Finance and Economic Planning (Mr. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu) 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335), the terms and conditions of any loan raised by the Government of Ghana on behalf of itself or any public institution or authority shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution supported by the votes of a majority of all Members of Parliament;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335) and at the request of the Government of Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance and Economic Planning, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of the Development Credit Agreement between the Republic of Ghana AND International Development Association (IDA) for an amount of SDR 26.5 million (US$40.00 million equivalent) to finance the West Africa Power Pool Programme.
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 1:20 p.m.

H E R E B Y R E S O LV E S A S 1:20 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Item 26 - pages 22 and 23. Hon. Minister, there should be correction on the figures. I understand it is sixty-five million euros, and not sixty million euros.
Second Financial Protocol between the Republic of Ghana and the
Kingdom of Spain
Minister for Finance and Economic Planning (Mr. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu) 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335), the terms and conditions of any loan raised by the Government of Ghana on behalf of itself or any public institution or authority shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution supported by the votes of a majority of all Members of Parliament;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335) and at the request of the Government of Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance and Economic Planning, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of the Second Financial Protocol between the Republic

of Ghana AND the Kingdom of Spain for an amount of sixty-five million euros (E65,000.000) for the implementation of various d e v e l o p m e n t p r o j e c t s a n d programmes.
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 1:20 p.m.

H E R E B Y R E S O LV E S A S 1:20 p.m.

Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon. Members, it is about 1.30 p.m. Yes, hon. Majority Leader?
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, as you directed yesterday that we would go on break and come back, it is now 1.26 p.m. and I would move that we suspend Sitting for one hour, fifteen minutes. That means, we will return at a quarter to three o'clock to continue with the business of the House.
Mr. Adjaho 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am in agreement.
Mr. Speaker 1:20 p.m.
We have got to get a little bit of rest.
Mr. Adjaho 1:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, that, is so.
Mr. Speaker 3:25 p.m.
In the meantime, you can put your heads together to resolve a few matters before you come back.
Hon. Members, we would suspend Sitting for one hour, fifteen minutes.
The Sitting was suspended at 1.26 p.m.

Sitting resumed.
Mr. Speaker 3:25 p.m.
Hon. Members, we continue with item 7 -- Human Trafficking Bill at the Consideration Stage -- [Pause.] Minister, we have two amendments to consider -- [Inter- ruption.]
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STAGE 3:25 p.m.

Mr. Adjaho 3:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I support the
amendment. The original rendition tried to create some strict liability in the law and we want to introduce an element of intent there. But Mr. Speaker, we are not opposed to it and I think that can address the issue when it relates to parents and guardians.
Mr. A. o. Aidooh 3:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
wondering how you can establish guilt without taking into consideration one's intent.
Mr. Speaker 3:25 p.m.
Hon. Minister, another
Mr. Agbotse 3:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
intent of this amendment is to bring in the customary upbringing and training. I would like us to accept the rendition as it is but ask the draftsperson to take that into consideration and redraft it properly because as it stands now, it does not make much sense legally.
Mr. A. o. Aidooh 3:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
think that the amendment is not necessary. The intent is there. It reads:
“A person who provides another person for purposes of trafficking commits an offence.”
Mr. Speaker, the intent is to provide the person for the purpose of trafficking so there is no need for this amendment.
Mr. Adjaho 3:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe
that this amendment is informed by submissions made on the floor yesterday when we were taking the Second Reading led by the Ranking Member and the Senior Minister, in trying to take into account some of our cultural practices.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at the rendition there in the original Bill, it creates what I refer to as some sort of strict liability. And this is where parents are involved. In our society, there is this element of upbringing and training and all those things. That is why we have to be very careful with this; and I entirely agree with the hon. Member for Ho West (Mr. F. A. Agbotse). We might not have captured it effectively but we have a certain spirit there that we are trying to establish.
Our parents who for one reason or the other find their children somewhere --
Mr. Speaker 3:25 p.m.
Hon. Members, we are
putting the Question. I do not think that we need to debate this matter further except the Minister for the Interior has something very special.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 3:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, intent is an element of a crime; probably the meaning they want to convey is the motive and not the intent. There is a difference between motive and intent.
Mr. Speaker 3:25 p.m.
Minister for the Interior,
the draftsmen would take care of this.
Papa owusu-Ankomah 3:25 p.m.
Thank you,
Mr. Speaker, but there are certain matters that you can leave to a draftsperson and there are certain matters that you cannot leave to the draftsperson. We are talking about a policy that is influencing this amendment. If we are not very clear about it, how can a draftsperson put it into drafting language?
Mr. Speaker, I said that if it is a question of taking account of the cultural practice, then you may talk about motive not intent because intent is the mens rea; it is an element of a crime. However, the motive may be taken into account as a mitigating factor. If we are saying that where he is not motivated by personal benefits but is to assist the person or improve the person's
capacity in future or put the person into a form of training, it ceases to be a crime; that may even be defeating the entire purpose of this Bill.
So Mr. Speaker, I would say that we may have to consider that. If my hon. Colleagues feel strongly about it, then they should go and discuss it with the draftsperson and let it be captured in a manner that would effectively represent the meaning they intend to convey.
Mr. Speaker 3:25 p.m.
Hon. Members, I
suggest we seek the assistance of the draftsmen almost immediately as to which word we have to use.
Alhaji Sumani Abukari 3:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I was going to suggest that it be stood down further so that it can be discussed - [Interruption] - Mr. Speaker, the amendment as it is couched now is very dangerous. We know of situations where parents have sold their children. So how do you get the parents' intention? We know that parents sell their children. So if you say the “intent of the parent or guardian,” what does that mean
As the hon. Minister for the Interior said, “intent” is already couched in the crime. If the mens rea is not there, you cannot say it is a crime -- [Interruptions.] We should not leave this amendment to the draftsman. I think we should make the draftsman understand what we want in the Bill. We cannot leave it to him to couch the law for us -- [Interruptions.] Mr. Speaker, we need to discuss it further. I think that as it is, it is a very bad law.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 3:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
think it is to do with the phrasing of the amendment and with your permission, I want to offer a rephrased version of the thinking in trying to protect parents and
guardians. Maybe Mr. Speaker, it should read as follows:
“For the purpose of this Act, human trafficking shall not include a parent or guardian who gives out a person for the purpose of upbringing.”
Then we leave it there, and that would have captured instances where genuinely a parent might for foster reasons or for parental development given out such support, instead of leaving it to determine the motive. Thank you.
Mr. J. Y. chireh 3:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
that if the argument is about proving a crime of trafficking and if you look at the original clause, before you come to the conclusion that the person has trafficked, you must have the evidence. Therefore, I suggest that we do not amend it; we should leave it as it is. Otherwise, we are going to throw the whole Bill into something of non-Bill in terms of activity.
If we want to exempt parents and guardians, that is not the way to put it because we must prove trafficking. And if I prove that I have sent my daughter or son or somebody else for training in another place and there is such evidence that the person was actually taken in and trained, I do not think that I will be convicted of trafficking. But if we do not do it that way, there will be loopholes in the whole Bill for others to come in. And any time you have this, they will point at that clause. I think we should not amend it.
Mr. E. Asamoah owusu-Ansah 3:35 p.m.
Mr.
Speaker, I think that we need to be very careful about the amendment that is being introduced because Mr. Speaker, if you look at the amendment very closely, it will appear that unless you are a parent or guardian, where “intent” ought to be considered, then “intent” is not necessary. But Mr. Speaker, it is trite knowledge that in criminal trial, there are two things to be proved. First, the intent and then the criminal act. So in every criminal trial, there is the proof of intent and that can only come about by evidence.
So I think that the way the draftsman

has put it originally should be sufficient because you only commit a crime when you have sent the person out for purposes of trafficking; and this has to come out from evidence. When the evidence is proved that your own child has been sent out for trafficking, then you have committed an offence, then the intent is already there.

Mr. Speaker, I think that we do not need

to introduce any more words otherwise we will confuse the whole situation and then make the interpretation of the clause very difficult. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Adjaho 3:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we all agree
to the mischief we want to cure, taking into account the social and cultural values of this country. But if the original rendition can take care of that -- I was especially persuaded by the fact that you have to prove that there is human trafficking, which has been captured in the Bill. It involves a certain element of strength, a certain element of force. It involves a certain element of somebody gaining from the process, and then we have to prove those ingredients.
So we can let the original rendition remain. And as it has been suggested, when it is not working for us and it is creating problems, we can always come and amend the law accordingly. So, Mr. Speaker, I suggest that we withdraw this amendment.
Mr. Speaker 3:35 p.m.
All right, thank you; it is withdrawn.
Mr. Speaker 3:35 p.m.
Hon. Members, clause
30.
Hajia Alima Mahama: Mr. Speaker, we are proposing that to take care of the concerns instead of naming specific institutions, we will add, “three other persons, one of whom must be a woman”.
Then we will later on put in the appropriate institutions.
Mr. Speaker 3:35 p.m.
Hon. Members, we are dealing with (xxxv), clause 30, subclause (1), paragraph (h), delete “Minister” and insert “one of whom shall be a woman”.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 3:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think this amendment was proposed in the name of our Ranking Member and myself, and contrary to the suggestion being made by the hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs, we are simply by this amendment, proposing the deletion of “Minister”, because under the original clause, it was the Minister for Private Sector Development who ought to nominate somebody. And we are simply saying that let it be a representative of the Ghana Employers Association.
What she is saying has been taken care of under other provisions of the same clause 30 where other members can be identified. Indeed, the Secretary to the Task Force is supposed to be a representative of the Minister and we think that this is a fair amendment.
The Ghana Employers Association, as you know, is a social group with a large membership and we think that -- [Interruptions.] If you say AGI, their members are members of the Ghana Employers Association, Ghana Employers Association is more of an umbrella body than the Association of Ghana Industries and those other groups that they are talking about. So we will think that Ghana Employers Association should have a representative on the Task Force. They are the largest employer in this country and we think that in discussing human trafficking, they must be given a place in the Task Force, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 3:35 p.m.
Hon. Minister, what do you say to that? If you look at clause 30 (1) (h), it reads -“one person from the private sector nominated by the Minister”. Instead of “the Minister”, they are saying “Ghana
Employers Association”.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, (h) does not imply the Minister for Private Sector Development, no. That was what he was trying to impute; it does not imply the Minister for Private Sector Development. It actually refers to the Minister as in the Bill. That is what it implies. But we are saying that to make it broader, that other aspects may participate, we are saying that “three other members, one of whom shall be a woman” -- That is the position that we are still maintaining.
Mr. Joe Gidisu 3:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at the original Bill that was brought to Parliament before being referred to the Committee, one of the Task Force members was to be the Director of Social Welfare. But in the Committee's Report - [Interruptions] - Where is it? It has not been amended?
Mr. Speaker 3:35 p.m.
Hon. Minister, you are sticking to your amendment, are you not?
Hajia Mahama: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 3:35 p.m.
All right, then we will put the Question.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 30 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. Speaker 3:45 p.m.
Hon. Members, we have
now come to the end of the Consideration Stage -- [Pause.] Item 8 -- hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs.

Suspension of Standing Order 80 (1)

Minister for Women and children's

Affairs (Hajia Alima Mahama): Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, That
Mr. Speaker 3:45 p.m.


notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80 (1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the Second Reading of the National Council on Women and Development (Repeal) Bill may be moved today.
Mr. E. T. Mensah 3:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
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National Council on Women and Development (Repeal) Bill
Minister for Women and children's Affairs (Hajia Alima Mahama) 3:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, That the National Council on Women and Development (Repeal) Bill be now read a Second time. And in so doing, Mr. Speaker, I beg to make the following submissions.
Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Bill is to repeal the National Council on Women and Development Decree, 1975, NRCD 32 to convert the Council to a department of the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs.
Mr. Speaker, in line with the prevailing situations at the international level, in 1975 after the first World Conference on Women in Mexico, it was recommended that State Parties of the United Nations (UN) establish national machineries to promote the integration of women in national development. The then government established the National Council on Women and Development to ensure that the process of integrating women in development would take place.
Mr. Speaker, subsequently, the second
Ms. Akua Sena Dansua (NDC -- North Dayi) 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to speak in support of the motion, and to say that we on this side are grateful once again that the Executive has heeded the call from our part of this House to correct an illegality that was created in the year 2001 following the creation of the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs.
Mr. Speaker, I do not think that this motion needs much debate because it has come at the right time and I think that this will enable the Department of Women take specific and effective measures to address the concerns of women.

Hajia Alima Mahama -- rose --
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Order! Hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs, do you have any point of order?
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.


Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, yes. Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The hon. Member across said the illegality that was carried out in the year 2001 -- Mr. Speaker, there was no illegality under any circumstance.

The Min i s t ry o f Women and Children's Affairs was established; and the Constitution enjoins the President to establish any Ministry that will go to support the development of the country. Thereafter, on the National Council on Women and Development's (NCWD) status, nobody ever said it was a department.

We have always said that we were getting a Cabinet approval and at the right time bring it to Parliament to ensure that the law setting up NCWD is repealed to make it a department of the Ministry. Therefore there was no illegality whatsoever to be imputed.
Ms. Dansua 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not
think my hon. Friend on the other side understood me well. Mr. Speaker, what we are saying is that with the creation of the Ministry in the year 2001, immediate steps should have been taken to amend the law so as to make the National Council on Women and Development a department within the Ministry but this had not been done; and it had taken us four years to do it. So clearly, it was an illegality and I do not see why she should argue with me about it.
Mr. Speaker, anyway, I would want,
in conclusion, to caution that like all other departments within the Ghana Civil Service, this department should also be realigned in such a way that it will conform to what exists and pertains in the Ghana Civil Service.
Mr. Speaker, I am very grateful.
rose
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Hon. Member for Akrofuom, do you have any point of order?
Mr. Appiah-Pinkrah 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes. Mr. Speaker, my hon. Colleague is in fact misleading the House. The New Patriotic Party (NPP), on assuming power in the year 2001, needed to establish a women's Ministry in this country. It could not have been done without proper arrangements, the necessary documen-tations being done and all necessary aspects of the institution being put in place. Until that had been done, we could not have in any way created the department and brought the laws here. So, our hon. Friends should necessarily tell us that we are good and that we have done the right thing.
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Hon. Second Deputy Minority Chief Whip, continue.
Ms. Dansua 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am done. Thank you.
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Have you finished?
Ms. Dansua 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes.
Deputy Minister for Trade and Industry (Mrs. Gifty Ohene-Konadu): Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion on the floor and in doing so say a few words.
Mr. Speaker, as the hon. Minister said, the National Redemption Council Decree 322 established the National Council on Women and Development in the year 1975. At the time it was established, the focus was on project implementation. In 1989, a conference was held where all stakeholders, NGOs, civil society and other governmental agencies working on
Ms. Dansua 3:55 p.m.
It was a recommendation from civil society organizations, governmental agencies and international bodies. So there and then, NCWD was admitted to become a co-ordinating body and given that policy focus. But again, it was constrained to a very large extent in the sense that they did not have the needed authority to do so many things because it was not represented at the highest level.

Now, women have a voice at the very highest level. What it means is that we are getting closer to the gender equality that the women of Ghana are struggling for. I am sure all women in Ghana will be smiling that this Bill is repealed.
rose
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Hon. Member for Shai Osudoku, do you have a point of order?
Mr. Assumeng 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes. Mr. Speaker, I would want to inform the hon. Member that there are a lot more women sleeping at the Tema station. So she should address that problem.
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Hon. Member, you are out of order.
Mrs. ohene-Konadu 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, all women in Ghana are smiling now because we have a representation of the highest level ever -- [Interruption.]
Ms. Dansua 3:55 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, my hon. Friend on the other side is clearly misleading the House. How can she prove that all women in Ghana are laughing now? How can she prove it?
Mrs. ohene-Konadu 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I support the motion and urge all my hon. Colleagues to support it.
Alhaji Amadu Sorogho (NDC - Abokobi-Madina) 3:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for allowing me to comment on the motion.
Mr. Speaker 3:55 p.m.
Hon. Member, you contribute.
Alhaji Sorogho 4:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I had
wanted to correct the hon. Deputy Minister who said that the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs was created in the year 2000. Mr. Speaker, the Ministry was not created in the year 2000 but the year 2001. Mr. Speaker for the sake of the Official Report, I would want that correction to be made. It was created in the year 2001 and not 2000.
Mr. Speaker, having said that, I would
also want to draw the attention of that Ministry to what could also be described in future as an illegality or “non-illegality” and that is on the issue of the National Commission on Children. I know for sure that as we are treating the National Council on Women and Development to fall directly under the purview of the Ministry, we also have another Council, which is the National Commission on

Children.

I would want to say that as we are handling this issue, they should also think of bringing it in line so that that can also come under the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs. I think it is good that all the departments that fall under the Ministry are brought together so that they can perform effectively.

Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I would just want to say that I support the motion and I hope that things would be done in the right way.

Question put and motion agreed to.

The National Council on Women Development (Repeal) Bill was read the Second time.

Suspension of Standing Order 80 (1)
Minister for Lands, Forestry and Mines (Prof. D. K. Fobih) 4:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, That notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80 (1) which require that no motion shall be debated until at least forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the motion is given and the date on which the motion is moved, the motion for the Second Reading of the Minerals and Mining Bill may be moved today.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.
BILLS -- SEcoND READING
Minerals and Mining Bill
Minister for Lands, Forestry and Mines (Prof. D. K. Fobih) 4:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that the Minerals and Mining Bill be now read a Second time. In doing
so, I crave your indulgence to make a few comments.
Mr. Speaker, Ghana has had a long history of gold mining and it is no accident that once upon a time, the country was named Gold Coast. However, with time this tradition faded away and the industry suffered a serious depression until the enactment of PNDC Law 153 in 1986, which gave some favourable mining climate to investors. But this law has been in existence for almost twenty years and most of its contents and the favourable conditions that it gave to investors are almost becoming outdated with the current trends and new changes in the industry. It has therefore become necessary that new laws and new regulations be put in place to reflect current trends and also the changing patterns in the industry.
What we are about to present to you as the new Bill is therefore an attempt to sustain and revive the industry so that the favourable climate would once more be created and also to make sure that the current thinking in the industry is well reflected in the new law.
The Bill has been subjected to critical analysis and scrutiny to make sure that the best practices in the mining industry are reflected in our current law. Extensive consultations were therefore held with all stakeholders with the view to making it more congenial and acceptable to all sections of the community. We have also taken into account our national developmental goals and equitable sharing of benefits from mining activities to mining communities as well as all segments of society.
The highlights of this law therefore, among other things, are the following:
A specific time framework is given for approval of mining rights applications. This has been a point of concern for companies in the industry because of undue delays. So this provision is making allowance for ninety (90) days for the processing of the applications and sixty
(60) days for the approval finally to be given by the Minister.
Another interesting feature of the new Bill is the stability agreement which gives stable fiscal environment to investors as well as development agreements which also provide a kind of incentives to investors who are prepared to invest beyond 500 million US dollars; and this is also subject to ratification by Parliament. So that acknowledges the power and authority of Parliament in such transactions.
It also requires a mandatory work plan for the recruitment and training of local personnel in the mining industry to replace the expatriate staff and also to make sure that local suppliers and providers of services are also taken into account in procurement matters, in an attempt to develop our local businesses and also to ensure that our economy also develops.
We have also taken into account the rate of royalty payments to make sure that it reflects international best practices, and I can quote here that our range set is between three (3) per cent and six (6) per cent; but we note that new countries and established countries which are involved in this mining sector have variations between three (3) per cent and five (5) per cent.
In the case of Tanzania, it is five (5) per cent; in the case of South Africa, it is three (3) per cent; and in the case of Guinea and Mali, it is also three (3) per cent. So these compared with our range and also taking into account our national interest, it looks like it is a favourable range that we have set to attract investment.
There is also a comprehensive legal framework to cover small-scale mining of all minerals. In the past we used to have a separate law for small-scale miners covering only the gold sector. But this law takes into account that there could be small-scale mining in other minerals, so
that has been taken into account. Besides, it also integrates the laws governing the small-scale operations into one common legal framework -- that is, this new law.
There is also a resettlement of inhabitants safety valve built into the Bill, by making sure that people who are displaced through mining activities are resettled based on their socio-economic as well as their cultural values; so that their interest is also considered.
It also has to conform with our national Constitution and no rights would then be infringed upon unnecessarily because the resettlement has to be at the whims and caprices of the mining company concerned. Such resettlement also has to conform to our town planning laws and regulations.
We have, in doing so, also considered the need to integrate some of the sections within the Minerals Commission section of the Ministry. So we are integrating the Mining Department into the Minerals Commission to make it more efficient and effective in the discharge of its processing duties.
The Government's right of 10 per cent carried interest is also acknowledeged in all mineral rights and it is restricted to the lease only. It also abolishes the 20 per cent or 45 per cent in the case of salt.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that despite the fact that Ghana is acknowledged as a country with favourable environment for gold and other mineral mining, we should not be complacent because new countries are coming on board. Countries in which we never expected that mining or minerals such as gold will ever occur, like Burkina Faso, Mali and so on, are coming headlong and we therefore need to be competitive in order to stand
Minister for Lands, Forestry and Mines (Prof. D. K. Fobih) 4:15 p.m.


international competition in attracting investment. Therefore, such a legislation which will stand the test of time in terms of meeting best practices that are in vogue now is needed.

I would therefore kindly entreat my hon. Colleagues, hon. Members of this House, to consider and pass the Bill in view of its strengths and positive impacts on our economy. I thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question proposed.
Chairman of the Committee (Mrs. Gifty E. Kusi) 4:15 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to present the Report of the Committee. Mr. Speaker, I crave your indulgence for the Hansard to capture the whole Report and deem it as read while I read portions of it.
1.0 Introduction
The Minerals and Mining Bill was laid before Parliament on 26th July 2005 and was subsequently referred to the Committee on Mines and Energy for consideration and report in accordance with article 103 (3) of the 1992 Constitution and Standing Order 188 of the House. 2.0 Background Information
The existing Minerals and Mining Law was enacted in 1986 and was considered as one of the best enactments on the subject matter in Africa. This enactment made Ghana an attractive destination for mining investment.
However, after nearly two decades of operation, it has come to the realization of Government that development in the mining industry requires a revision of the law to reflect international best practices
Chairman of the Committee (Mrs. Gifty E. Kusi) 4:15 p.m.


Resources Commission and not the Minister responsible for Mines as is the case in the existing law.

The Committee considers this as a novelty to check the abuse, misuse and pollution of water bodies by mining operators as is often the case in most mining communities.

The Committee again observed that the Bill seeks to expand requirements for rents and fees that are to be paid annually by holders of mineral rights. These include annual mineral right fees payable to the Minerals Commission, ground rents to landowners and royalties to the Republic which are, all to be provided under Legislative Instruments.

Another novelty to the law is the establishment of Alternative Dispute Resolution Mechanism under clause 27 and the use of international arbitration in dispute resolutions, particularly, the rules of procedure for arbitration under the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law (UNCITRAL Rules).

The Committee observed that the Bill seeks to provide for stability in development agreements that could be entered into with holders of mining leases. The essence is to give confidence to investors and to ensure that investments are of mutual benefit.

The Minister may also enter into a development agreement under a mining lease where the investment by the holder exceeds US$500,000,000. Such an agreement will contain stability terms and will be subjected to ratification by Parliament.

The Committee observed that the

proposed law seeks to bring in the Mines Department, which is currently the inspectorate division of the Ministry under the umbrella of the Minerals Commission. This is to ensure uniformity and efficient operations of the sector.

The Committee observed that certain amendments proposed earlier have been inadvertently omitted in the redrafted Bill. The Committee therefore seeks to propose the following amendments to be considered by the House at the Consideration Stage so as to enable the law, when finally approved, to stand the test of time.

Proposed Amendments

clause 13, subclause (1), line 1, after “days” and before “make” insert “on receipt of recommendation from the Commission”.

The amendment is to ensure certainty.

clause 15, subclause (6), paragraph (a) after “mineral” delete “to be mined” and insert “applied for”.

clause 18, subclause (1), line 3, after “from” insert “the Forestry Commission and”.

clause 26, delete the whole of sub- clause (2).

The Committee is of the view that holders of mining rights should meet all their financial obligations.

clause 32, subclause (3), line 2, after “excavation”, delete the rest of the sentence.

The amendment is to ensure that the holder of reconnaissance licence apply for prospecting licence before undertaking any drilling exercise.

clause 49, subclause (1), line 1, after

“Minister may” delete “ on behalf of the President” and insert “on the advice of the Commission”.

The Committee is of the view that the Minister is already acting on behalf of the President.

clause 50, subclause (1), line 3, after “personnel” insert “as prescribed”.

The Committee is of the considered view that the legislative instrument should indicate the time frame within which recruitment of Ghanaians should take place.

clause 51, subclause (4), paragraph (a), after “the” delete “cessation” and

insert “suspension”.

clause 51, subclause (5), line 1, after “Approval of” delete “cessation” and insert “suspension”.

The amendment is to ensure conformity.

clause 62, subclause (1), line 2, after “in” delete “section” and insert “sections”.

clause 62, subclause (2), line 3, after “ Survey” delete “s”.

clause 62, subclause (3), line 3, after

“ Survey” delete “s”.

The amendment is to ensure that appropriate term is used.

clause 65, Heading, delete “66” and insert “64”.

clause 65, subclause (1), line 1, after “62” delete “and 63” and insert “to 64”.

clause 66, paragraph (b), after “the” delete “person” and insert “officer”.

The amendment seeks to ensure clarity.

clause 68, subclause (1), paragraph (c), line 1, after “Minister” insert “or the Commission”.

The amendment is to ensure that false statements are not made to the Commission.

clause 75, delete the whole of sub-

clause (3).

The amendment is to ensure that the original jurisdiction of the High Court in all matters as enshrined in article 140 (1) of the 1992 Constitution, is not tempered with.

clause 86, Heading, after “District” delete “office” and insert “Offices”.

clause 87, paragraph (a), line 2, after “term” delete “and” and insert “or”.

The amendment is to ensure that revocation is applicable if a holder contravenes either the terms or conditions of his or her licence.

clause 90, subclause (2), line 2, delete “Commission” and insert “Commission”.

The amendment is to correct a typographical error.

clause 95, Heading, after “explosives” delete “prohibited”.

clause 97, subclause (1), line 2, after “prescribed” delete “by the Minister”.

clause 98, delete the whole clause and insert new clause as follows:

“98 (1) Nothing precludes a person from disposing of his or her jewellery to authorized dealers or another person.
Chairman of the Committee (Mrs. Gifty E. Kusi) 4:15 p.m.


(2) A person shall dispose of gold artifact or gold coin to only authorized dealers.”

clause 102, subclause (2), line 1, after

“Inspectorate” delete “of Mines” and insert “Division”.

clause 102, subclause (2), line 2, after “the” delete “department” and insert “Division”.

clause 110, subclause (1), delete the whole of line 2 and insert “for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of this Act”.

The amendment seeks to ensure clarity.

clause 110, subclause (2), line 3, after “for” delete “the taking” and insert “sampling”.

clause 111, subclause (1), “radio- active mineral”, line 3”, after “these' delete “chemicals” and insert “elements”.

8.0. Conclusion

In conclusion, the Committee wishes

to state that in view of the importance of the Bill to the development of the mining sector which contributes about forty per cent of our foreign exchange earnings, the Committee wishes to recommend to the House to adopt its Report and approve the Minerals and Mining Bill subject to the proposed amendments.

Respectfully submitted.
Dr. Kwame Ampofo (NDC -- South Dayi) 4:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, indeed, this Bill we are considering is very important because of the role that mining plays in the economy of our nation. Mining actually contributes in the neighbourhood of about
$900 million to the economy and it is second only to cocoa as an income earner for Ghana.
In the year 2003, Ghana was ranked the tenth gold-producing country in the world, surpassed only by South Africa, United States of America, Australia and others. On the African continent, however, Ghana was second to South Africa. This shows the importance of mining to our economy. Apart from gold there are diamond, bauxite and other minerals. It is for this reason that we need to have a Bill that would address the importance of this sector to the economy, in terms of maximisation of the benefits.
But at the same time, Mr. Speaker, the Bill seeks to address the rampant issues of discontent with the effect of mining on our various communities and also on the environment, particularly the pollution of rivers and other water bodies. So the Bill, as it is designed, tries to address these issues and it seeks to be an improvement on the current Act, which at the time that it was passed was also considered one of the best on the continent; which therefore puts Ghana in a very powerful position in terms of the mining industry on the continent.
However, we are made to understand that activities on the international scene have made other countries perhaps more attractive as investment destinations in the mining industry, which necessitates that we look at our mining laws and try to reposition ourselves as the preferred investment destination for mining.
Mr. Speaker, while this is so and while we all support this laudable position that Ghana should be the preferred destination for investment, the Bill must seriously address the discontent of the Communities. To this end, we received, as has been said by the Chairperson of the Committee, a lot of petitions, memoranda, complaints and all that. They were quite numerous and some were voluminous.
My concern, however, is that once we have looked at the salient points in most of the complaints and generalised the issues, it is my personal opinion that we need to look more into those areas. And I am not very sure whether that aspect of addressing the environmental and the social implications of mining activities in the country is well addressed, but definitely improvement has been made in the process.
Whilst we go along we believe that hon. Members would also add to the formulation of the Bill, with this aspect in mind, so that we have a Bill or an Act that would address all issues; so that whilst we protect the interest of the investor, we do not lose sight of the interest of our own communities and our own people.
Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I support the motion on the floor.
Deputy Minister for the Interior (Capt Nkrabeah Effah-Dartey (retd)): Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to this Bill.
Mr. Speaker, I also want to call on my hon. Colleagues to support this Bill because the minerals and mining area constitute a major factor in our national economy and I would want to concentrate on only two specific areas of the Report.
Mr. Speaker, they talked about the Committee observing that applicants who wish to divert, convert or use water resources must obtain the requisite licence from the Water Resources Commission. Mr. Speaker, when one looks at the areas where mining operations had taken place, as at today, the environment is so much abused that even ordinary clean water for the people to drink has become a problem.
I do recall that not too many years ago the chiefs and people of a particular
area went on a demonstration in the town complaining bitterly about the way their environment was being abused. And so I want to emphasise seriously that in this Bill, we should hammer home very hard on requirements about water usage and water bodies in mining areas.
Again, Mr. Speaker, I also want to contribute to the issue of royalty and rent that applicants pay after having been given a licence to mine in areas. Mr. Speaker, it is a fact, which is not in dispute, that we do have a lot of minerals and mines in several parts of the Western Region. But what is ironic or sad, if not a tragedy, is that one goes to these very areas where there is so much mining activity going on and the people in those areas live in abject poverty; I do not understand why this is so. It is as if the investors come, make their money and go away; they do not care about the people living in the area.

Mr. Speaker, I want to see a situation where the investors would look upon themselves as corporate citizens of the various villages, towns and districts where they are operating and contribute positively towards development in those areas.

By that I mean contributing towards health installations, contributing towards educational facilities, contributing towards even housing, so that one can feel that if one comes from Tarkwa or its environs, or Prestea or those areas where major mining activities take place, for instance, Obuasi -- If one comes from those areas, where they mine gold from the sub-soil and yet the people live in ramshackle houses, it does not make sense to me. So it is in this light that I look at the recommendations of the Committee; that we should support them and approve of this Report so that this Bill can become law.

Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I
Dr. Kwame Ampofo (NDC -- South Dayi) 4:25 p.m.


support the motion.
Mr. Moses A. Asaga (NDC -- Nabdam) 4:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak to the motion that is currently being debated upon.
Historically, we have been told that the Minerals and Mining Law was passed in the year 1986, as PNDCL 15. We also have a situation where we have the Minerals Commission Act of 1993, Act 450 and the Small-Scale and Mining Law. All these laws were well-intentioned and I think that even though times have passed, in the time that these laws were passed they met the challenges of those days and times.
In 1981/83, gold production in Ghana had slumped to 220,000 ounces. By 1987/89, when the Minerals and Mining Law was promulgated, gold production went up because it attracted new investments into the retooling of the mining sector. By the year 1988, Ghana was already producing 400,000 ounces of gold.
As a result of the attractiveness of the Minerals Commission Act of 1993, we had a lot of investors coming into this country. I remember in the year 1994, when I visited the Minerals Commission, prospecting licences alone were 38, development licences were about 15 and then producing licences were also about 7; and among these 7 were major companies with good reputations. They included BHP Utah, Ashanti Gold Fields Corporation, Tebribi, Johannesburg Consolidation Investment and Gold Fields Corporation.
All these companies came into the country because of the kind of investment climate that we had at that time. It would be surprising for one to know that Ghana hit a high production level of 1.6 million
ounces by the year 1999, with one million ounces coming from the Ashanti Gold Fields alone.
The point I am trying to make is that the previous Minerals and Mining Law also gave incentives, and I am hoping that this new law would add additional incentives. I do not believe that reducing the royalty maximum level from 12 per cent to 7 per cent is an incentive, because it is a range of 3 per cent to 12 per cent. Therefore, if it is a range of 3 per cent to 12 per cent, it depends on negotiations. Government could still give the 3 per cent, it could give 4 per cent and it could give 5 per cent.
For me, now that the range has been narrowed, I would rather think that that is a disincentive to Ghanaians with regard to getting more royalties for our chiefs and the stool owners. I believe that there could be a few mining companies which would have been generous and go up to 7 per cent or 8 per cent; but as the law is now couched, we can only play within the range of 3 per cent to 6 per cent.
Yes, we have all said that we are looking for the best practice, but the best practice also includes the fact that in South Africa the mining business contributes a lot to the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of their economy, especially when it comes to foreign exchange reserves.
The question I have for Ghana is, how has the gold business contributed to our GDP growth, especially when we talk of foreign exchange reserves? The problem we have is that the retention law on foreign exchange is a very bad law. Some companies are able to retain as much as 80 per cent of their foreign exchange outside Ghana.
I am not saying that they should not repay their loans but what I am saying is that when the foreign exchange resources are obtained, they should come through the Bank of Ghana so that the Bank
of Ghana would register them as our reserves. The amount that normally comes to the Bank of Ghana is about 20 per cent of the total foreign exchange that we earn and therefore we should not be proud of ourselves and be saying that Ghana makes about 900 million dollars from gold production; because we do not benefit from it.
I am thinking that the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and the Bank of Ghana should come up with a law to reduce the retention. We must come up with a law and make it compulsory that every mining company in Ghana should also open a foreign exchange account in Ghana so that whatever resources that they get would be held in a foreign account in Ghana which would then be disbursed for repayment of loans for purchases of documents; by that we would be able to improve upon our national reserve. But what is happening right now is just like a stream passing in front of your house; you watch it; it flows away and you cannot drink from it.
Mr. K. T. Hammond 4:25 p.m.
On a point of
order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member who just spoke has just misled the House. When a river is passing in front of your House, you can always scoop some and drink; but the hon. Member said that you cannot drink from it and it just flows away. That is not right; it is misinformation.
Mr. Asaga 4:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if a river is passing through your House -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 4:25 p.m.
Hon. Member for Nabdam, you may continue.
Mr. Asaga 4:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think we
need to address this issue of retention law. I also think that the issue on the communities should be looked at. I feel disappointed at the royalty percentage of three (3) to six (6). Maybe, we would need to look at it again, in three years' time, when the NDC would have been back to power.
Prof. Dominic Fobih 4:25 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Member who just spoke is misleading the House. I say so because the percentage used to be on the net profit of the companies but this time round, the three (3) to six (6) per cent is on the gross turnover which is more and higher than what he anticipates.
Mr. Asaga 4:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, as far as I am
concerned, when we start getting royalties on gross turnover, that would even be a disincentive for the mining companies to come to Ghana. [Interruptions.] Yes, they are not happy, they are not -- [Interruptions.]
Mr. Speaker 4:25 p.m.
Hon. Member for Nabdam, please do not be disrupted, continue with your argument.
Mr. Asaga 4:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Small-
Scale Mining Law, which was promulgated, and which we call galamsey, has helped my constituency a lot. My constituency youth used to be unemployed, but a lot of them have gotten involved in small- scale mining; and the small-scale mining
Mr. Asaga 4:25 p.m.


in the Bolgatanga district and the new Talensi/Nabdam district has been so well managed that we have been able to gain more resources. A lot of the young people now have been able to buy assets and properties.

The markets in Nabdam, in particular, are well patronized and there are lots of commercial activities; and they are also marrying new wives. Now, they can afford four to five cows to pay as dowry for their women. This did not use to happen. Thanks to the new Small-Scale Mining Law -- But I would also entreat a number of the people in small-scale mining towns in other regions to come to Nabdam to see the best practice in small-scale mining.
Alhaji Collins Dauda (NDC -- Asutifi South) 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I also rise to support the motion and in doing so I just want to say that, yes, it is good for us to carry out mining activities in the country so that we can generate more revenue for the development of the country. But Mr. Speaker, in doing so care must be taken in some of the areas where we carry out mining activities.
Mr. Speaker, I am talking about mining in forest reserves which, for me, has to be looked at closely and examined to find out whether it is economically good for us to venture into mining in the forest reserves. Mr. Speaker, I do know that there are rules that one has to go through to be able to mine in the forest reserves, but it is not enough to have rules for people who mine in the forest reserves because it is known that --
The Forestry Commission has officers trained to conserve our forests for us, but we do know for a fact that even in pursuing their duty of conserving our forests for us, we can talk about so many forest reserves that have been devastated in this country
and therefore one begins to wonder if mining is admitted in the forest reserves. These same officers who have supervised the degradation of our forest reserves would now supervise the degradation of the reserves into which we are admitting mining activities.
Mr. Speaker, then again, we are looking at the forest reserves as areas where -- We know that most of them are sitting on mineral resources, which therefore means that if we encourage mining in our forest reserves we would be defeating the purpose for which we put these areas under reserve.
I have always said that we need to do a critical analysis of what we want as a country. Is it money we want? If it is money that we want then, Mr. Speaker, we need also to find out -- [Interruption] -- What we need to find out is whether if we get the money today the environmental consequences that would come as a result of the mining activities would not make it so useless.
Prof. Fobih 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Member is still misleading the House, because the Government is consciously aware of the importance of preserving our forest reserves. That is why a special prescriptive EIA is made for companies that are mining in the forest reserves. Besides, they are also mandated to create forests -- and forests can indeed be created. This is exactly why Government has asked all those companies which are mining in forest reserves, to do twice the afforestation that they are destroying in the forest reserves, apart from the rehabilitation that they have to do. So I think we would take note of this.
Alhaji Dauda 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. Minister for supplying this information but I do know that this is certainly not a point of order; he was only supplying some information to us.
Mr. Speaker, the second issue has to do with collection of royalties. I have in my hand, the Minerals Royalties Regulations 1986, L.I. 1340; and Mr. Speaker, section four mandated the Internal Revenue Service to collect revenue and pay it into the Consolidated Fund. Mr. Speaker, article 267 of the Constitution also mandates the Office of the Administrator of Stool Lands to collect revenues and royalties. Mr. Speaker, with your permission I would read article 267 (2):
“There shall be established the Office of the Administrator of Stool Lands which shall be responsible for--
(b) the collection of all such rents, dues, royalties, revenues or other payments whether in the nature of income or capital, and to account for them to the beneficiaries specified in clause (6) of this article.”
Mr. Speaker, this being the situation, there is clear conflict here as to who has the mandate to do that and I think that the hon. Minister should take note of this and try to address it in a manner that conflict would not arise in the collection of royalties.
Mr. Speaker, I would very much like to have this responsibility of collecting mineral royalties done by the Administrator of Stool Lands as provided under article 267 of the Constitution but not the Internal Revenue Service, because other royalties are being collected and paid into stool accounts by the Administrator of Stool Lands. I do not see why in the case of mineral royalties alone it is the Internal Revenue Service that is asked to handle it.
Mr. Speaker, the last point I am going to raise has to do with comments that
Mr. Speaker 4:35 p.m.
Hon. Member, please continue.
Mr. K. T. Hammond 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker,
on a point of order. With respect, we do not have any hon. Member from Jinijini in this House.
Alhaji Dauda 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, besides royalties and other taxes paid by mining companies, which certainly are always being used for the development of the country, there is always the problem of communities appreciating what these mining companies pay by way of royalties and taxes, because they do not see any direct benefits from these mining companies. Normally, this misunder-standing results in some kinds of confrontations between the youth of some communities and mining companies and therefore it is important that we introduce an arrangement such as we have in the forestry sector -- [Interruption.]
Prof. Fobih 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Member should know that we have the Minerals Development Fund which should cater for the communities, the mining sector of the Ministry, and so on. Indeed, we are in the process of preparing the necessary legal framework to establish special development funds for the mining communities, out of this Mining Development Fund. So what he is saying is already being taken care of.
Alhaji Dauda 4:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. Minister again for supplying this information but what is important is that he has not done this yet and I am calling on him to expedite action on it so that the confrontations that normally arise between communities and mining companies would be minimized or stopped altogether.
Mr. Speaker, again, I do not know how
Mr. Speaker 4:45 p.m.
I call on the hon. Member for Jomoro and after him the hon. Minister will wind up.
Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC -- Jomoro) 4:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I also rise to support the motion and in doing so I want to raise two issues. One, we have been mining gold in this country even before Dondiago de Azambuja entered Ghana and yet we have never made any serious attempt to refine gold in this country. In fact, the first attempt that was made in this direction was in 1965 when the Russians built a gold refinery at Tarkwa, but unfortunately the 1966 coup did not help matters and the project was abandoned. So I thought that this Bill would take into consideration the need to later on establish a gold refinery in the country so that secondary industries
Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC -- Jomoro) 4:45 p.m.


would be established using gold as a raw material.

The second point, Mr. Speaker, is about post-reclamation and contamination. In fact, the law says that there should be reclamation of the land but invariably, after the land has been reclaimed and even afforested, within a short time one will see that the trees that have been afforested start withering because most of the mines use heavy metals in the course of their work. These heavy metals stay in the soil for so long that within a short time they start to contaminate the soil and that is why when one goes to mining areas one will see that areas that have recently been reclaimed and afforested, the plants start withering.

I want to call on the hon. Minister to ask the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to look at that issue very critically so that we are not shortchanged, for land is the only resource that God has stopped creating. All other resources God continues to create, but land is the only thing that God created once and has stopped creating. So, Mr. Speaker, with these few comments I support the motion.
Mr. Fe l ix owusu-Adjapong 4:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe we all need to congratulate the House, especially the Committee on Mines and Energy for the extra work they did in bringing this Bill to this level. Mr. Speaker, the House may recall that when the Committee looked at the Bill they made a lot of useful suggestions which made us to give the Bill back to the hon. Minister for him to re-consider and incorporate suggestions that had been made by the Committee and Members of the House. Mr. Speaker, this is a useful exercise and I am happy that we all agree to take this Bill under a speedy approach.
Mr. Speaker, there is one particular clause that people keep on reminding me about and I believe that the hon. Minister and the Committee may get a solution to
it. This is the matter of the determination of compensation for lands acquired. Mr. Speaker, the Bill, as presented to us, tries to vest the ultimate power in the Minister and there is an argument that it will amount to offering the ultimate judicial powers of the court and I believe that the hon. Minister and the Committee will get solutions to it at the Consideration Stage.
Mr. Speaker, we have done a good work and I believe that all hon. Members will support the Bill and get the Second Reading approved.
Mr. Speaker 4:45 p.m.
Hon. Minister for Lands, Forestry and Mines, do you wish to say anything by way of winding up? [Pause.]
Question put and motion agreed to.
The Minerals and Mining Bill was accordingly read a Second time.
Mr. Speaker 4:45 p.m.
Leadership, any
indication at this stage.
Mr. owusu-Adjapong 4:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe you have led us to do a very hard work for the day. Therefore, since it is already past 2 o' clock I do not need to say anything else. I thank you for the co-operation and support.
Mr. Speaker 4:45 p.m.
Hon. Members, the House will stand adjourned until tomorrow morning at 10.00 o'clock.
ADJoURNMENT
  • The House was adjourned at 4.52 p.m. till 28th July, 2005 at 10.00 a.m.