Debates of 8 Jun 2006

MR. SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10 a.m.

CORRECTION OF VOTES 10 a.m.

AND PROCEEDINGS AND 10 a.m.

THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10 a.m.

Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Order! Order! Correction of Votes and Proceedings and the Official Report.
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, page 6 under item 4 - among the hon. Members who were marked absent are hon. Christine Churcher, hon. M. K. Jumah, and hon. Godfred Otchere. Mr. Speaker, in respect of hon. Christine Churcher, she has been indisposed for some time now and has sent a request for leave of absence. I guess it is supposed to end on Friday. For the past two weeks, she has been indisposed.
Yesterday, I noticed it but unfor- tunately when it came to the Correction of the Votes and Proceedings, I was not available. It has been repeated for today. I guess the Clerk's Table will look at it. Then in respect of hon. Maxwell Kofi Jumah, the Member of Parliament for Asokwa, he is also on a parliamentary duty in Lagos, Nigeria and is going to be there for a while. Again, a leave of absence has been put in for him. Mr. Speaker, hon. Godfred Otchere was involved in an accident and has been hospitalized.
His own request has also come and has been forwarded to you, sir. I hope the
Table Office will take due notice. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Hon. Members, we have the Official Report for Friday, 2nd June, 2006. [Pause.] [No correction was made in the Official Report.] Hon. Members, we move to item 3 - Urgent Question.
URGENT QUESTION 10 a.m.

MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR 10 a.m.

Minister for the Interior (Mr. Albert Kan-Dapaah) 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in January this year, the Ministry received the request from the Northern Regional Security Council for the imposition of a curfew in the whole of Bimbilla town as a result of communal violence which broke out in the town on the 10th of January 2006. Mr. Speaker, the violence was the result of fighting between the leaders of two contenders to the Bimbilla Skin, the Asana Andani and Nadkpana Sani.
Mr. Speaker, the violence led to the burning of a number of houses and property as well as injuries to a number of persons. A curfew, Mr. Speaker, was subsequently imposed on Bimbilla on 16th January 2006 initially for a period of seven days. This was renewed a number of times and the last curfew was imposed on the 14th of March 2006 for a period of seven days.
Mr. Speaker, the Judicial Committee of the Northern Regional House of Chiefs met on the chieftaincy dispute on the 8th of May 2006. The report is that the meeting could not resolve the issue and another meeting has been scheduled for next month. But Mr. Speaker, though the chieftaincy dispute is yet to be settled, the situation in the town has not warranted the renewal of the last curfew which expired on 21st January 2006. The security agencies are however closely monitoring the situation.
Mr. Speaker, with reference to the request from my hon. Friend, I want to confirm that there is no curfew imposed in Bimbilla as at today.
Mr. Abass 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that as at now there is no curfew in Bimbilla. If what he has said is the case, I want to indicate that I came from the constituency a few days ago and the curfew was still observed by the people of Bimbilla and monitored by the security agencies. So I would want the Minister to respond to this; even this morning, I called Bimbilla. So I would want the Minister to tell this House whether a directive has been issued for them to re-impose the curfew.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I can confirm that there is no curfew in Bimbilla. Mr. Speaker, the notices are normally signed by the Minister for the Interior. I can confirm that since I have been there from May, I have not signed any such thing. If my hon. Friend is informing me that this is not well known in Bimbilla, it is a matter of surprise but I would today officially inform the Police Administration that there is no official curfew in place at Bimbilla; in fact, the last one ended on the 21st of March 2006.
Mr. Abass 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want
to know when the curfew in Bimbilla was officially lifted.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is indicated in the response that has been published in the Order Paper - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
It is not -- this is an Urgent Question.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the date when it was lifted was mentioned in my response - [Interruptions.]
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
Order! Order!
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the last curfew expired on 21st of March 2006, as I clearly indicated in my response to the Question. Probably, my hon. Friends were not listening.
Mr. Abass 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to find out from the Minister, given the response that he has given, whether the curfew, as at now being observed in Bimbilla is illegal if there is one being observed.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, to the
extent that I have not ordered any curfew in Bimbilla, there is no official curfew going on in Bimbilla and I do not know what it is that my hon. Friend is trying to interpret as a curfew being in Bimbilla. There is no curfew in Bimbilla.
Mr. Abass 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am speaking on authority - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
Please, if you have a supplementary question you may ask.
Mr. Abass 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Question I wanted to ask is that, by what the hon. Minister has said, can we take it that the people of Bimbilla, from today can go
about their normal activities without any hindrance from the security agencies?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, since 21st of March this year, there has been no curfew in Bimbilla and people have been going about their normal duties.
Dr. Benjamin Kunbuor 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to find out from the hon. Minister how come that curfew under Executive Instrument No. 1 was from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m.; the one on No. 2 was from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. and the one on Executive Instrument No.3 was from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. I am referring to a curfew in Bimbilla Executive Instrument No. 3, 2006.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that obviously must have been based upon the advice from the Regional Security Council.
Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we know that the hon. Minister is new to his Ministry, and so I would want to know who provided him with the Answers. I know he has not been to Bimbilla since he assumed his duty at his new Ministry. I would want to find out who supplied him with the information that there is no curfew in Bimbilla.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it was through the normal channels but I can also add that in this particular instance, I did not even need to get anybody to give me the Answer because I know these curfews are imposed normally for a week and signed by the Minister. I have not signed any such curfew since I have been in office so at least I know that since I have been there, there has been no curfew in Bimbilla. And having checked the record, I do know that the last one was signed on the 14th of March 2006 and was supposed to have expired on 21st of March 2006.
Alhaji Abukari 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to inform the hon. Minister for the Interior,

my very good Friend that there was a curfew in place in Bimbilla last night, only last night. So I would want him to assure this House that he would take steps to ensure that that curfew is lifted from tonight.
Mr. Speaker 10:10 a.m.
That is not a question. Question number 408 . . .
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:20 a.m.

MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR 10:20 a.m.

Mr. Kwao 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon.
Minister may or may not be aware, but if he says the District Police Headquarters at Asesewa will take care of Akateng, how is it able to do that, if he can tell the House?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want
to believe that my hon. Friend is asking
whether that indeed, is the ideal situation. No, that probably is not the ideal situation but that is the problem that confronts the Ghana Police Service in many, many areas and today we do not have any immediate plans. It would probably be good if we were able to establish one at Akateng but that is the position today. It is probably not the ideal situation but that is what exists now.
Mr. Kwao 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, is the hon.
Minister aware that the only police vehicle for the Asesewa District Police Headquarters has been taken away to Accra for the past three years?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
not personally aware that the only vehicle has been taken away. Probably, that must have been due to some operational reasons. I would need to find out and advise my hon. Friend as to why it became necessary for the vehicle to be taken away and why they have not found it necessary to replace it.
Mr. Kwao 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if the hon.
Minister is adding this extra responsibility to the Asesewa Police District Headquarters to supervise Akateng, is he assuring us that he would make sure they have a vehicle to enable them do that work?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
think it is no secret that the police is not sufficiently resourced with some of these facilities to be able to provide the right number of logistics to all police stations. I am unable to give any such categorical assurance now but I will bring it to the notice of the IGP that my hon. Friend has expressed this concern and asked the IGP to see what he can do to solve the problem.
Mr. Kwao 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, will he
consider, in the interim, opening something
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, these
are operational matters which would have to be decided upon by the IGP, and I want to assure my hon. Friend that I would definitely bring it to the attention of the IGP, that this very serious concern has been expressed by my hon. Friend.
Mr. Abuga Pele 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in view
of the numerous and incessant demand for police barracks arising from the urgent needs of such communities across the country, like my hon. Friend just asked, and even in my own constituency, what policy-decision is the hon. Minister taking to ensure that these urgent needs are met?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
I think, Mr. Speaker,
that it is important that we are able to get enough logistics for our police to enable them to do the policing work in the best way possible. Today, there are a number of logistics that are lacking and there is the need for us to ensure that these are provided.
I did say, when I answered Questions
here two weeks ago, that the Ministry is in contact with the police to try to assess the exact requirements of the police and attempts are being made through the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to obtain some external funding to try to attend to the logistic needs of the police. But I do agree with my hon. Friend that we need to empower the Police Service to be able to undertake policing duties which I consider are critical if we are going to be able to sustain the democracy that we have in this country.
Maj. (Dr.) (Alhaji) Mustapha Ahmed
(retd): Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the hon. Minister what steps are in place to broaden the resource base of the police and other agencies under his Ministry so as to help solve the problems that he has enumerated.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
there is a general awareness that we need to take one serious look at the problems posed by the lack of sufficient resources and logistics for the Police Service. And as I just indicated, we are in touch with the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning trying to obtain some external funding which will be adequate for us to respond to the logistics and the resource needs of the Police Service, and we do take that as something that requires priority.
Registration of Dual Citizens in Ghana
Q. 521. Dr. Benjamin Kunbuor asked the Minister for the Interior what progress had been made so far in the registration of dual citizens in Ghana.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think some progress has been made in the registration of dual citizens in Ghana. Within the last two years, we have received an average of two hundred applications in a month both locally and also through our Missions abroad. As at May 2006, 3,052 persons had been registered as dual citizens of Ghana.
Dr. Kunbuor 10:20 a.m.
May I ask the hon.
Minister which institution in the Ministry of the Interior is in charge of registering dual citizens.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
Ghana Immigration Service working
Dr. Kunbuor 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to
know specifically from the hon. Minister what role the Ghana Immigration Service is playing in this exercise.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in
vetting the applications I am liaising with the head of the Immigration Desk at the Ministry to ensure that everything is all right and that it can be signed by the hon. Minister for the Interior. Mr. Speaker, I may add that I am also aware that some suggestions have been made by my hon. Friend to the Ministry. My advice is that as far as the law is concerned, the final authority rests with the hon. Minister and that it is the hon. Minister who has to take that responsibility. But we are considering the suggestions and the advice that he has made to the Ministry with respect to the need for the Ghana Immigration Service to be closely involved in the processing of the applications.
Dr. Kunbuor 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, lastly, I would want to know whether the Minister would give an assurance to this House that he would oblige it with an annual list of registered dual citizens.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am not sure about what my hon. Friend is asking because the law requires that to be done. If that is the requirement of the law I have no doubt that the law, will be complied with.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Lawra/Nandom, you said that was your last question.
Dr. Kunbuor 10:30 a.m.
Yes, but it is because
this has necessitated a follow-up. The interest is that as a House that has oversight
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what
I infer from what my hon. Friend has said is that there probably is no obligation under the law for us to report. But I think he is right in saying that this House has an oversight responsibility and if at any point in time, a Question is asked demanding that we provide details of the number of people who have been registered, I do not think we would refuse to answer that Question just as we did not refuse to answer this particular Question.
But I want to emphasize, Mr. Speaker, that we do appreciate the interest that my hon. Friend has in the area and the positive suggestions and advice he has been giving to the Ministry with regard to the administration of that particular Act.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
want to find out from the hon. Minister for the Interior whether he has any evidence or knowledge to the effect that Mr. Lawrence Akwasi Prempeh, the person who was supposed to be Deputy Minister for Ashanti Region was, in fact a dual citizen or it was assumed.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tamale South, this is a matter which I think is rather prejudicial.
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
my question to the Minister is, with the new prisoners' swapping law coming into effect, how will he assure Ghanaians that a criminal in one country who wants to acquire a Ghanaian background will not be checked and he will be swapped to come to Ghana?
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Member for North
Tongu, will you be kind enough to repeat your supplementary question?
Mr. Hodogbey 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
question is, how effective is his Ministry able to investigate the backgrounds of people applying for dual citizenship?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is
obviously important that we are able to investigate the backgrounds of people applying for dual citizenship, especially to make sure that there are no security implications. Mr. Speaker, I do not deem it very appropriate to tell my hon. Friend at this point in time publicly just what security steps are taken to ensure that the security of the nation is not compromised as a result of somebody acquiring dual citizenship of Ghana or of becoming a dual citizen.
Mr. E. T. Mensah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want
to find out from the hon. Minister whether he can oblige us with information on Mr. Lawrence Akwasi Prempeh; whether he registered as a dual citizen.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Deputy Minority Whip,
this is not a supplementary question at all so if you want to come, come properly.
Dr. Kwame Ampofo 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
would like to know from the hon. Minister how one can have information on the registered persons with dual citizenship, that is, if the list is gazetted; if not, how can one have access to the register to see for oneself?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:30 a.m.
I suppose, Mr.
Speaker, that if an enquiry is made through the Ministry we will be in a position to provide that information to him.
Ejura Police Barracks (Rehabilitation)
Q. 522. Alhaji M. M. Mubarak (on
behalf of Alhaji Issifu P. Mohammed)
asked the Minister for the Interior when the Ejura Police Barracks would be rehabilitated.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
Ejura Police Station and barracks were identified for rehabilitation work in 1999 but work had to be suspended in 2000 due to insufficient budgetary allocations. As I indicated in the House a couple of days ago, there are a number of such uncompleted police projects and the Ministry has requested the Police Service to collate information on all uncompleted police stations and residential facilities nationwide.
Initial estimates are that it will cost about ¢80 billion to complete all such projects. The Ministry is collaborating with the Police Administration to prioritise these uncompleted projects and ultimately provide a Strategic Plan for the completion of all these projects. It is the strong desire of Government to address the housing needs of the Police Service and efforts are underway to obtain some external funding for that purpose.
Kete-Krachi Divisional Police Headquarters (Commissioning)
Q. 537. Mr. Francis Yaw Osei- Sarfo asked the Minister for the Interior when the Kete-Krachi Divisional Police Headquarters would be commissioned, especially with the completion of the structures to house the officers.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the project to renovate the Kete-Krachi Divisional Police Headquarters is only about 70 per cent completed. Not much work has been done in recent years due to insufficient budgetary allocation. As I mentioned in my response to the
Question by my hon. Friend from Ejura- Sekyedumase, my Ministry is liaising with the Police Service to identify all such abandoned projects and look for some external funding to complete them. As at now, I am unable to be precise as to when the Kete-Krachi Divisional Headquarters project will be completed and commissioned.
Mr. Osei-Sarfo 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if the
hon. Minister knows his Ministry very well, he will agree with me that the nearest Divisional Police Headquarters is at Hohoe, about one hundred kilometres away. In view of this situation, would the hon. Minister consider the Kete- Krachi project very dear and important to the people, in order to give the urgently needed attention to that project?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I must
concede that I was not personally aware that the nearest police station is some one hundred kilometres away, but I do know the area very well. These are very much operational matters and I certainly will have a chat with the Inspector-General of Police (IGP). He is presently not in Accra. Next week when he is back, I will have a chat with him and see why and how soon we should be able to respond to these genuine needs of the people of Kete-Krachi. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Klo Agogo (Police Station)
Q. 548. Mr. Raymond Tawiah asked the Minister for the Interior when Klo Agogo in the Yilo Krobo District would be provided with a police station.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Police Service is unable to indicate when exactly Klo Agogo can be provided with a police station. The Police Service is aware of the urgent need to establish new police stations in several parts of the country and are working on a major project for that purpose. It is too early for them to give
Mr. Tawiah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, may I know
from the hon. Minister, the criterion and procedure for the establishment of police stations?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, these
are very much operational decisions that are normally undertaken by the Police Service, but I do know that the number of people living in the area is also taken into account, the number of crimes that happen in the area is taken into account, the economic activities in the area is taken into account.
Indeed, going by these factors there are so many places in Ghana that immediately require the establish-ment of police posts or police stations. Unfortunately, that is not the case now, and I did indicate that we are working on a major project to identify such places and to make sure that these facilities are provided.
Mr. Speaker, I have also mentioned that we need good policing to be able to sustain democracy, the peace and safety that we have in the country; and we do share the concern of my hon. Friend that there is the need for us to provide such facilities in most of these areas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Tawiah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, Yilo Krobo is
a very large district and shares boundaries with about five districts. It is very sad to note that the district has only four police stations and Klo Agogo is very far away from any of them. So we have difficulty in combating crime. I would like to know from the hon. Minister if his Ministry has any plans to establish, at least, a police post at Klo Agogo.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
unable to say with any amount of certainty
that we are going to establish one there. But from the description that he has given, I believe it is an area that deserves urgent consideration. As I have said, we are already in an exercise to identify such areas and to make sure that facilities are provided there for the police. If the factors as my hon. Friend has recounted are as they are, then I am sure Klo Agogo would be taken into account when the IGP comes to selecting the areas that must immediately be serviced. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. S. K. B. Manu 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
would like to know from the hon. Minister for the Interior, if districts which need police stations can initiate the building of such police stations after they have contacted the Police Administration.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
told that although we do have problems with human resources in finding the policemen, I am told that that is not a major problem. The major problem is with respect to the provision of the police station and the living quarters for the policemen. Mr. Speaker, if a particular District Assembly was able to provide these facilities, I am sure it would be appreciated by the Police Service and we would have no difficulty providing policemen to come and manage such police stations and police posts. Thank you.
Mr. Moses Asaga 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in
Nabdam constituency, we have con- structed a police station, but we do not have the living quarters. Therefore, I want to know from the hon. Minister whether there is a central Government budget for the building of police stations since we already constructed one but we need to complete it.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:40 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker,
Alhaji Collins Dauda 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the answer provided by the hon. Minister regarding the collation of information and the determination of where police stations should be located is not time-defined. I would want to find out from the hon. Minister if the Police Service which is charged to provide this information to the Ministry is given a time period within which the information should be provided to the Ministry for action to be taken.
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Asutifi, this is not a supplementary question but you can come back properly.
Alhaji Daudu 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he said
that the Police Service is required to collate information on rehabilitation work and also to identify areas where new police stations would be sited, and it does not go with time. I just want to find out from the
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
And I said you should
come properly.
Maj. (Dr.) (Alhaji) Mustapha Ahmed
(retd): Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister cited operational reasons as one of the key factors for siting police stations in communities. I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether he will consider other sectors like industry, tourism and agriculture as sufficient reasons for siting police stations in our communities.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 10:50 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I think it is important that the police administration takes some of these factors into account, especially if a place is identified as having tourism potentials. I think it will make a lot of sense if we were to go out of our way to put a police station there to make sure that tourists who do patronize the area are sufficiently protected. I want to believe that the Ghana Police Service takes such things into account. But just to be very sure, I will mention to the IGP the need for him to give priority to such areas.
Mr. Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Minister for the Interior, thank you very much for appearing to answer these Questions.
STATEMENTS 10:50 a.m.

Mr. Joseph Z. Amenowode (NDC -- Hohoe South) 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to make a Statement on “Making the Ghana Police Service Professionally Efficient”.
It is a fact that the level of a nation's
development is relatively proportional to the degree of peace and tranquility enjoyed by its people. This implies that the Ghana Police Service which is responsible for maintaining the peace is an important arm in statehood. In recognition of this, New York State in America probably calls its police “The Finest”.
Generally, the average Ghanaian police
officer could be said to be well trained, and compared to their counterparts in the subregion, one could say Ghanaian police officers are humane and efficient. It is for this reason that when the police begin to receive bad publicity and condemnation for their actions and inactions, every well- meaning person should be concerned and collectively try to find solutions. I believe if we just condemn and do not try to help find solutions, we would only succeed in castrating the police and making them ineffective.
Over the past few weeks, the Ghana
Police Service has been in the news for all the wrong reasons. The sordid Dansoman police shooting incident, the Kotobabi shooting incident and the Nsuatre “Banku shooting” case followed in such rapid succession that the impression was created that the police were in an all-out war with their civilian counterparts.
When these recent incidents are viewed against the background of the previous high profile cases such as the May 9 Stadium disaster, the Sunyani Hotel killing of an engineer in his bed, the Issah Mobilla case in Tamale and many others that we hear in the news, then it could be concluded that there is something very wrong with the policing methods in the country.
Mr. Speaker, as law-makers of the
land, the police could be aptly described
as our executive arm and as such, when they appear to be in trouble, it would be highly improper for us in this House to keep our silence and not do anything to help find solutions to their problems. It is for this reason that I am making this Statement on the floor of the House so that in our comments, we could try to help our law-keepers find solutions.
I would like to caution that as much as it is tempting to find faults and castigate the police, we should rather be more concerned with constructive measures aimed at finding solutions.
It is very clear from these incidents
that our police lack professional response methods to problems they confront in their day-to-day policing responsibilities. It would be necessary for us to critically analyze the content and scope of police training and operations so as to make it responsive to the needs of the 21st Century. It is gratifying to note that the police themselves have identified as a lapse, the scope of the basic training regime of the Ghana Police Service.
Interviews with some of the men of the Ghana Police Service reveal that a normal training regime of a police recruit is made up of physical training which includes road work, marching, fatigue and some shooting drill at the range. The academic segment, which is very narrow, includes general duties and some basic psychology. In six months, the “raw” recruit becomes a professional policeman/woman and is posted.
Mr. Speaker, in my estimation, the major cause of lack of professionalism among the Ghana Police Service is the absence of post-enlistment training. The bright young officer posted to his/ her station is left to his/her fate. For ten, fifteen or twenty years after training, the ‘normal' police officer does not have the opportunity of any form of refresher training to upgrade them literary or
Mr. Joseph Z. Amenowode (NDC -- Hohoe South) 11 a.m.
physically.
Refresher courses are a must in any professional set-up, so if a professional service totally ignores in-service refresher courses, it does so at a risk to its professionalism and with the Ghana Police Service at a great risk to life and property.
Mr. Speaker, I am sure most of the personnel in the Ghana Police Service are not aware of the constitutional provisions on the fundamental human rights of their suspects. It is also very probable that over 90 per cent of those recruited over 10 years ago have totally forgotten what they studied in their general duties or psychology lessons at depot.
Mr. Speaker, how do we expect an officer who had not handled weapons years after training at depot, to be proficient in handling weapons? Under such circumstances, what happens when a police officer is given a gun from the armoury and sent on a duty is anybody's guess. No wonder most of their warning shots end up in the bodies of innocent bystanders.
Another problem that needs to be addressed is that of crowd control. So long as Ghanaians have accepted democracy as the preferred way of government, demonstrations would be a legal tool for expressing support or disagreement with authorities. There is the need to equip our police with the needed expertise in crowd control and in crowd/group behavioural psychology. There is no doubt that this has been a problem for our police for sometime now.
If we recollect the visit of President Bill Clinton to Ghana in 1998, it was evident that our police were completely overwhelmed by the crowd and had to resort to brute force to control the people. The “Kume Preko” and “Sie me Preko”
demonstrations also revealed some of these lapses. In recent memory, this same ignorance was to blame for the massacres of May 9 and the recent 23rd February ROPAB demonstrations and the famous “Chaaarge!!!” of the greater Accra Police Commander.
Mr. Speaker, I wonder how many personnel could still do a 5-kilometre road march in full accoutrement. Even one kilometre is suspect. How then do we expect a policeman to be able to chase a suspect when the easy way of gunning the suspect down is available. Constant physical training must become a feature of police activities. At least once a month, a police officer must engage in a physical training activity. Gymnasiums and sports facilities should be available at all police barracks to make this possible.

A glaring evidence of professional inefficiency in the Ghana Police Service is the inability of the mechanics of the Service to maintain, and repair their own vehicles. The Ghana Police Service regularly enlists mechanics but the Service has to send its broken-down vehicles to private garages. This is highly improper and must be addressed immediately. The police mechanics must be adequately retrained and resourced enough to be able to service all the brands of vehicles they use.

Mr. Speaker, apart of rustiness another probable reason for lack of pro- fessionalism in the Ghana Police Service is the low motivation. Promotions are stingingly given and the criteria for promotion is not open and clear to all; as such there was no way one could know the reasons for not being promoted; and this situation naturally leads to suspicions of nepotism and tribalism and reduces professional competency.

Mr. Speaker, of late one phenomenon that had entered the Ghana Police Service as a quick and fast condition for promotion is “bravery in fighting armed robbers”. The menace of armed robbers and their increasing audacity has made it imperative that officers who could do battle with the armed robbers and prevail are rewarded with promotion. As good as this is as a motivation in the Police, it has very dangerous repercussion. I believe the Kotobabi, Dansoman and Sunyani killings could be examples of this danger to society.

If all it takes to get promotion was to confront and kill an armed robber, what prevents an ambitious police official to kill first and question latter? For, after all, “dead men tell no tales”. So when a policeman kills a poor chap and brands him/her as an armed robber and goes away with it, he/she gets promoted; it is only when they are exposed that it becomes an issue.

Mr. Speaker, there is still hope the Ghana Police Service could earn the accolade “The Best”. It is high time our police authorities instilled high professionalism into the Service and this could be achieved only by providing opportunities for the police officers to improve themselves professionally through in-service refresher courses. The Ghana Police Service must make sure that their officers are current on modern intern- ational policing methods.

Secondly, promotion for the officers should be prompt and above board so as to discourage personnel from using unorthodox means to get promoted.

Mr. Speaker, the police are the statutory body mandated to protect civil society from deviants; let us all encourage them
Mr. Abuga Pele (NDC - Chiana- Paga) 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, before I make any comments in supporting the Statement just made, I would like to draw attention to the fact that we have made many Statements on the police in this Chamber and one begins to wonder to what extent we can continue to make these Statements and not realize the objective of the Statements made.
Mr. Speaker, I want somebody to
show me a country where development and discipline exist without any serious development or management of the Police Service. Mr. Speaker, the presence of the policeman evokes a lot of fear and conforming behaviour in many areas and in many countries. But Mr. Speaker, the trend existing in this country has a tendency to create a very serious situation, which if we do not take care, we cannot reverse.
Mr. Speaker, the police are very critical elements of our society and issues about road accidents, corruption, indiscipline and so forth cannot be tackled properly if we do not make the development and management of our police a priority. Mr. Speaker, the police work under very difficult conditions and the hon. Member just enumerated a few.
I happened to be at a police station where three policemen live and sleep in a kitchen. Mr. Speaker, if you visit many of the barracks in which we house our policemen, you will be sad. My father happened to be a policeman and I know the conditions under which the police work. The policeman of the 1960s and 1970s has not changed much; he is still the same
type of policeman we still encourage in this country.
Mr. Speaker, we always go in for loans and we make available things like cars, guns and armoured vehicles to the police but nobody ever cares to think about what the policeman should eat before he goes in to drive those vehicles. We expect the policeman to use his body as cannon fodder when the armed robber appears in an area. Even in instances where the policeman is the only individual and probably the armed robbers number about ten or fifteen, we easily call the policeman and expect him to, as an abnormal and very unique human being, to go and stop the armed robbers from disturbing society. But nobody ever cares to think of what sort of man that policeman is.
It is unfortunate that in the Twenty- First Century, at a time when everybody is beginning to develop and we are in the computer age, we still think that the policeman should still work as if he was living in the ages when crime was very, very little in society.
Mr. Speaker, I think that if we want the Ghana Police Service to be a proper police service, there is the need for us to give them the priority they deserve; their pay, their barracks, their training and their appearance in society should be one that should evoke discipline and respect. In some countries, policemen are used to stop corruption and in many countries the policeman is the man who ensures that nobody breaks the traffic law. But in this country, a policeman walks by and nobody cares. It is as if he is just an ordinary person walking by the would-be crime committer.
Mr. Speaker, unless we begin to tackle the issue of the police, we will continue to make these Statements, there will be
responses from the Ministry, and yet we would not achieve any results in our society. The future of this country is inextricably linked with the development and proper management of the Ghana Police Service, and unless something is done about it, these Statements, numerous as they come, as essential as they may be, will not stop crime, corruption and road accidents in this country.
Capt. Nkrabeah Effah-Dartey (retd) (NPP - Berekum): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this Statement.
Mr. Speaker, in fact, I was touched when the hon. Member for Hohoe South was enumerating the problems that affect the Ghana Police Service. It is tragic and ironical because Ghanaian policemen who are operating in the international theatre are considered some of the best professionals available. If you go to Darfur Region right now, Ghanaian police officers are giving the best of services that they can render, and they are carrying our national flag very high.
Unfortunately, when we come home the problems that are associated with the police -- the accusations and the name- calling -- one begins to wonder whether we have two different types of policemen -- those who are correct and excellent serving outside and then, apparently, those who are not correct here. But Mr. Speaker, the reality on the ground is what has invariably been stated by my friend, the hon. Member for Chiana/Paga (Mr. Abuga Pele).

Mr. Speaker, I had the privilege of going to Bawku to visit the Bawku police station and I was amazed to see the barracks that were built before independence and up till now - through all the governments till

now - no single attempt has been made to renovate the police station.

Mr. Speaker, I was in Aflao to see the police station. Mr. Speaker, it is a serious indictment on the administration of this country. Mr. Speaker, as hon. Abuga Pele rightly pointed out, when you see the places where our policemen sleep at night - it is an eyesore.

Mr. Speaker, Techiman is a big municipality; it is a town with a population of over 80,000 people. Unfortunately, Techiman township, the police there, majority of them live in rented quarters, such that when there is an emergency in Techiman, it would take more that three hours to mobilize even just ten policemen to render service. And so the biggest problem of accommodation - barracks for our policemen - has to be addressed almost immediately.

Apart from that, Mr. Speaker, there is the issue of logistics, because the policeman is basically a human being; you put the uniform on him and then he is a policeman. But that alone, the uniform alone, cannot perform any service; he needs all the gadgets that are necessary to enable him to enforce law and order.

But Mr. Speaker, what disturbs me is that, it looks as if all these years, from independence to now, successive governments have always looked at the police as people who must obey, who must perform services no matter the circumstances, no matter the en- vironment; and this is the reason why our policemen are always caught in the middle of a crossfire.

Mr. Speaker, my hon. Friend mentioned in-service training, which is another area that needs to be looked at seriously. A policeman passes out of Depot and he is
Mr. Abuga Pele (NDC - Chiana- Paga) 11:10 a.m.


[CAPT. EFFAH-DARTEY (RETD)] posted to a place like Afram Plains or to a place like Tuobodom or elsewhere and, Mr. Speaker, he rises through the ranks without any refresher course at all. Mr. Speaker, it is very disturbing because they come face to face with daily issues that need to be addressed.
Mr. Asamoah Ofosu 11:10 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I am getting increasingly confused and I need your clarification.
Mr. Speaker, is it the same person who was a Deputy Minister some few days ago, talking about Bawku and other areas that have not been renovated? He had the opportunity all these years to serve in the Ministry and just after leaving there, he comes to share his frustrations by contributing to this Statement -- [Laughter.] Mr. Speaker, I want a clarification.
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Member for Berekum, you may continue.

Mr. Speaker, I think that one area that we must emphasise is the issue of mobility for the Ghana Police Service. Mr.

Mr. Speaker, this is a fact and it is verifiable. Unfortunately, the reality, as the hon. Member for Hohoe South (Mr. Amenowode) mentioned, is the issue of maintenance.
Dr. Benjamin Kunbuor 11:10 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, it seems my hon. Colleague has forgotten his constitutional principles so soon; that this House will have no power to be able to increase the appropriation of any Ministry. I guess, perhaps, he should come with a constitutional amendment first, if his level of zealousness is to be taken seriously.
Capt. Effah-Dartey (retd): Mr. Speaker, I was perhaps being over- zealous but the point I was driving at is that we should take a greater interest in the Ghana Police Service. Every nation gets a police service that it deserves and for us in Ghana, I think that we deserve a more efficient, a more responsive, a more disciplined and a more professional
police service. And to do that we must be prepared to pay for it. We must be prepared to provide them with all the logistics that they need, with all the communication gadgets that they need.
Mr. Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Please, wind up.
Capt. Effah-Dartey (retd): Mr. Speaker, I want to believe that the reason why Ghanaian policemen excel when they go outside on duty is because they have very good training at home and when they go outside they are given all the weapons, all the logistics they need; and so they give of their best.
So Mr. Speaker, I am appealing to my hon. Colleagues that we should show greater interest in the Ghana Police Service and give them all that they need, and they will render excellent services to our motherland, Ghana.
Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I associate myself with the Statement by the hon. Member for Hohoe South.
Mr. Alfred W. G. Abayateye (NDC - Sege) 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the Statement on the floor.
Mr. Speaker, it is very disheartening that in the computer age in which we are, you just get to the Ministry police
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Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for Kade,
do you have a point of order?
Mr. Ofosu 11:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think
the hon. Member is misleading the House. Mr. Speaker, I have made a personal check myself, in recent times, at the same place he is talking of. People who go there to lodge complaints, are not asked to bring their own papers or pay for them.
Secondly, Mr. Speaker, the typewriters are being maintained because of the irregular power supply. They have a computer but they still keep the typewriters to compensate for the periods when there are no lights. Mr. Speaker, that is an incorrect statement he has made.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member, please,
continue.
Mr. Abayateye 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
my hon. Friend is not getting the issue. The issue I am talking about is a fact; and I am saying that the Ghana Police Service has to be resourced with these materials to get them work well. Now, when you are using the computer, retracing evidence is very, very fast. I am appealing to the

[CAPT. EFFAH-DARTEY (RETD)] authorities to see to resource the Ghana Police Service with enough computers, enough fax machines to enable them work well.

Again, we have talked of logistics in the form of vehicles. You get to my constituency, and there are two constituencies in my district, and the official vehicle which is assigned to the district office has broken down for some time now. Again, I want to appeal to the authorities to see to maintain this vehicle. Maintenance culture is our problem. Those vehicles which have broken down beyond repairs can be dismantled and the good parts used to replace those which can be repaired. But to park all cars there, some of which have little faults, I think the maintenance section of the Ghana Police Service should re-examine these things and look at them. Some can be dismantled to replace others.

Mr. Speaker, it is interesting to note that some policemen are working, to be sincere, diligently. They work under strenuous conditions but they do not complain. I want to plead with the authorities that we can motivate the police not only in monetary terms, but by creating other avenues for them; this will ginger them to work. Motivation is not only in money; when you finish using the money, you forget; but other things can be created for them which will encourage them.

The dilapidated nature of the barracks

is too bad. Some just need painting, to bring back their beauty. I want to use this opportunity to ask the authorities to please turn a serious eye to our Ghana Police Service. I happened to be somewhere and the police are held in high esteem; I mean they are encouraged to work. That is what I want to call on our authorities to look at and see to encourage our policemen.

Again, in the form of other things -- I stayed at Sefwi for a long time. It is a very wide district, and the police stations are just few. We will plead with the hon. Minister and the authorities to look at distances and try to create more police posts. Ghanaians are such that when you see somebody in uniform, whatever you are doing, you try to draw back. The point is, we need more police stations all over the country. The young men are there; the young women are there and some are willing to go into the Service but the opportunities are not there. I want to use this opportunity to seek your indulgence to take this issue up with Cabinet so that more policemen would be recruited, and then we will have peace in our land.
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Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for Ayirebi/Ofoase, do you have a point of order to raise?
Mr. Oppong-Kusi 11:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, for a very long time, towards the end of his contribution, the hon. Member was addressing the Minister - I thought he was supposed to be addressing Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Anyway, he is over - All
right. Minister for Communications.
Minister for Communications (Prof.
Aaron M. Oquaye): Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to make a few comments with regard to the Statement on the floor.
Mr. Speaker, as law-makers, we also have to examine certain perspectives of the matter now before us. Mr. Speaker, it is quite easy to bash the police, but may we also ask ourselves: do we have the kind of police that we deserve in the light of certain circumstances? Mr. Speaker,
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Nabdam, do you have a point of order?
Mr. Moses Asaga 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
point of order is that the hon. Minister started by misleading the House that we are bashing the police. I think that we are rather trying to support the police. So I do not know where he got that word “bashing” from. Nobody has bashed the police. We have rather been praising the police that they are efficient, they are doing their best within the limited constraints. So I thought he should withdraw what he said that we are bashing the police.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Let him go on.
Prof. Oquaye 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is
Mr. Charles S. Hodogbey 11:20 a.m.
On a
point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Minister is deceiving this House, in the sense that being a member of the Executive or the Cabinet, he should not try to talk in defence or play down the Statement here; I do not think it is really very conducive enough. I was thinking he should talk about retirement benefits for the people, remuneration and all the sufferings the police are getting. But he
Prof. Oquaye 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, indeed,
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Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Tamale North, do you have a point of order to raise?
Alhaji Abukari 11:20 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I humbly would request that you instruct the hon. Minister to withdraw the word “bashing”. That is the word he started his contribution with. And Mr. Speaker, if you listened to the Statement carefully, it was not meant to bash the police. It was meant to see how we could support and encourage them and make them perform better, and make them as efficient as they are when they go outside. So it was not a question of bashing. So please, if he could withdraw the word “bashing” because it will go on record as if the hon. Member who made the Statement bashed the police, which is not true.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
You have made your
point; let him continue.
Prof. Oquaye 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, when we come to look at some of the implementation issues, when they come to do their work, I think we can assist them; and that is the essence of the statement that I am making.
Mr. Speaker, the granting of bail, for
example, is an issue which often comes to play when the police are doing their work. We live in a country where house numbers are even a problem and very often bail is granted to people for very serious offences, only for them not to come and when you try to look for them you may have a long description of a blue house behind the mango tree, and so on and so forth.
Mr. Speaker, in such circumstances, what do we do? Do we go and ensure proper numbering of streets? Do we change or amend the law in such a way that the granting of bail will not necessarily be easy as it is now? Mr. Speaker, these are actual frustrations that the police often complain about when you have interactions with them.
Mr. Speaker, the law with regard to careless driving, for example, we as legislators may want to have a look at it. In England, they resolved the problem that faces us now by a law called: “Causing Death by Dangerous Driving” to distinguish that from the careless driving that leads to death. Mr. Speaker, in short, the policemen face a number of difficulties and frustrations as a result of these implementation gaps and sometimes even inadequacies in our laws.
So I would say that our real contribution as legislators also, that is in addition to whatever may be done, would be to examine areas of the law that make it frustrating for the police and which they have complained about in many, many cases, including in fact, the long delays when people are charged and they have to be tried. The “go come, go come”, go on to such an extent that the case virtually dies a kind of natural death. I believe that if we take steps to close some of these gaps it would go a long way to encourage the police in their arrests.
Finally, public co-operation may also
Mr. E. T. Mensah (NDC - Ningo/ Prampram) 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to associate myself with the Statement on floor and share the concern of the hon. Member for Chiana/Paga (Mr. Abuga Pele), that statements about the police have been an annual ritual. And for me, we come and just lament over the problems without doing anything about them.
Mr. Speaker, I want to suggest that today's Statement be referred to your Committee for it to collect all the Official Reports over the last five, six years and deliberate on them and come out with positions as to how we can move the police forward. Luckily, on this issue, we have Ministers who attend upon this House, who are Members of this House. The Minister for Finance and Economic Planning comes here all the time, so that we would come out with proposals as to how to move the police forward.
We know about their logistics; it does not make the police do well. When they go out, because they are given all the necessary logistics, they are able to perform well and they can do the same here. So I just want to beg this House's intervention and suggest that we refer the
Statement to your Committee on Interior and probably Finance Committee would also be added, so that at the end of the day we would be doing justice to ourselves and to the nation.
Minister for the Interior (Mr. Kan- Dapaah) 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, let me thank my hon. Friend for making the Statement and also the number of useful interventions that we have had.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my hon. Friend for making the Statement in spite of the many inconsistencies in the Statement itself. On one hand, the Statement sought to castigate, to bash, to ridicule the Ghanaian police and then on the other hand, the Statement conceded that the working conditions, the logistics that the police have to put up with are such that policing is almost made impossible in this country.
I think, Mr. Speaker, it is important for us, as the hon. Member for Ningo/ Prampram (Mr. E. T. Mensah) just said, that we distinguish between incompetence of our police officers and inadequate resources for policing. When we combine the two, Mr. Speaker, I think we tend to be very, very unfair to the gallant men and women in the Ghana Police Service.
Mr. Speaker, our policemen are not necessarily incompetent and as some of the interventions have conceded, these policemen have come back with very good commendations when they have served outside of the country. And even within the country there have been so many instances when all of us have been very, very proud, as Ghanaians, that we have such gallant men and women within the Ghana Police Service. I think the problem, Mr. Speaker, is that we do not seem to provide sufficient resources to the Ghana Police Service to ensure that policing is carried to the heights that we all expect of the Ghana Police Service.
Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I toured a
number of police facilities in Accra and there were two things that came up; I was shocked by some of the things that I saw. Some of the facilities are so appalling that they need immediate attention. But at the same time, Mr. Speaker, I was most encouraged by the modernisation efforts going on within the Ghana Police Service, and beyond that the raw determination of the men and women of the Ghana Police Service to make sure that they do their best to encourage and support good policing in this country.
Mr. Amenowode 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. I am wondering if the hon. Minister actually listened to what I said. In fact, I did not at any point say what he is alluding to me. I do not think there is the need to re-read the Statement, but I never said what he is saying.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Yes, Minister?
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am most encouraged that my hon. Friend is saying that he did not say it. But I think there were statements to that effect in the Statement that he read, talking about the fact that people are promoted only because they have killed armed robbers and issues like that. I did hear those comments, but
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Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon. Member for Hohoe South, you never said that? Let him go on; you did not say that. [Interruptions.] Hon. Minister, he never said that. So please, go ahead.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am most encouraged he is saying he did not say that. But I am very sure that I did hear the words - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Yes, he used the words, but not to that impression. He said that, “If this did not happen, these people would . . .” He never made that point categorically; never. So please go on.
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as I said, it is most encouraging if my hon. Friend did not say that because I think that we need to be fair to the police and concede that they have tried to do the best that they can for the country.

I also want to remark that I do share the sentiments that have been expressed, especially with regard to the provision of sufficient resources for the police; and if my hon. Friends can take it from me, we are doing all that we can to make sure that we do find a final solution to this problem of lack of logistics to make sure that the police is sufficiently motivated and that policing is carried on to the best standards possible.

Mr. Speaker, without good policing,

there can be no assurance that the gains that we have made from our democracy and the security and safety that prevail in the country can be sustained. So I am most encouraged by the interventions that were made by my hon. Friends; and I want to
Mr. Kan-Dapaah 11:40 a.m.


assure the House that these are sentiments that we share and we believe that we have a responsibility at the Ministry and the Ghana Police Service to ensure that sufficient resources are provided. I do know that when the time comes we would again get the support of the House in obtaining these resources for the Ghana Police Service. I thank you, Mr. Speaker.
BILLS -- FIRST READING 11:40 a.m.

BILLS -- CONSIDERATION 11:40 a.m.

STAGE 11:40 a.m.

Mr. Mahama Ayariga 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is proposing that we should add “or gender considerations” at the end of clause 2. If we add “gender considerations” at the end of clause 2, with your permission, I will read the entire clause; and this is how ridiculous it would sound:
“Except as otherwise required by the condition or the need for improvement of a person with disability, a person shall not subject a person with disability to differential treatment in respect of residence or gender consideration.”
Mr. Speaker, it just does not flow. I do
not see how “gender consideration” comes into this. There is already a regime under our Constitution that clearly prohibits discrimination based on gender. In the first place, it would be superfluous and yet it does not even fall within the ambit and intention that we intend to capture in clause 2 of the Bill. Therefore, I am against the proposed amendment.
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, it is unfortunate that when we were discussing it the hon. Minister was not available. But just like the hon. Member for Bawku Central has articulated, if it should be added, it would be completely out of place. Mr. Speaker, with respect to the hon. Minister, it has no relevance to that part. So if she wants to have it registered in the Bill, she should look for the appropriate place, certainly, not at clause 2; it does not belong there.
For that reason, I support the proposal by my hon. Colleague that the amendment should be dropped. Maybe, she should be advised to drop the amendment.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
can understand the passion with which the hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs would want gender issues to be captured by our legislation. But, certainly, if you read through the whole Bill, it is gender neutral; it does not deal with any issue that borders on each of the respective roles; and I think that the introduction of this amendment will misguide the thrust of this particular Bill. Therefore, I will plead with the hon. Minister to drop this so that we can make progress on this particular matter.
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, I made
this proposal to record the fact that there are disabled females who do complain that they suffer discrimination on the basis of their gender and on the basis of their disability; and therefore they do suffer double discrimination. I will agree that within the context of the residence, it may not be the best place to put it. But if I will be permitted, I will want to rephrase that to make it subclause 2 (b). The first one would be subclause 2 (a) and the second one would be subclause 2 (b) which would say that,
“Persons with disability shall not suffer differential treatment on the basis of gender.”
That is what I have proposed.
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon. Minister, are you
framing another clause?
Hajia Mahama: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I
am agreeing that within the current context where it is talking only about residence, it may not be quite appropriate to put it there. But I still think that female persons with disability do suffer some discrimination and differential treatment on the basis that they are female or male, one way or the other. They do complain that they suffer double discrimination and I would want this Bill to capture that so that we send the message across that persons with disability, females especially, should not suffer any discrimination on the basis of gender consideration. I am therefore
proposing a subclause 2 (b) to reflect that.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Are you withdrawing your amendment stated herein or you are not?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, I
am withdrawing the amendment as it is now but I am proposing that there should be clause 2 (b) to reflect gender considerations in the area of disability -[Interruption] -- I can propose an amendment on the floor of the House, if it is acceptable but you would take it; if it is not acceptable then that is a different matter; I can propose.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
But would you be kind enough to write it down so that we know exactly what you are asking for.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the point is that we are talking about “treatment in respect of residence”. Mr. Speaker, the new one that she is even proposing would certainly not find residence under that shelter. Under that shelter, that proposal cannot even find residence. So we better go on and let her do her own formulation and come back appropriately at the correct place. Certainly, it does not belong here.
Dr. Kunbuor 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think
the issue of gender consideration is quite an important one that we ought to give a second look at. I do agree that it is certainly misplaced at where it is located now. More specifically, the gender movement has never been interested in being hidden under any circumstances. So I believe that a clause -- a separate clause after clause 1 saying that this entire Act ought to be interpreted or applied with gender considerations to let it stand out by itself and separate would be a more useful way than trying to add it to any other provision.
Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Bill is very, very clear. The purpose of this Bill is for persons with disability. I think that we are introducing a new thing. Surprisingly, the hon. Member who is introducing this amendment is a member of Cabinet that agreed on this rendition that was brought to this House. That does not mean that she cannot propose an amendment on the floor.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at clause 4, it reads:
“A person shall not exploit or discriminate against a person with disability or subject a person with disability to abusive or degrading treatment.”
I think that is enough, yes, and so I also oppose the amendment. Wherever, it may be placed, I would oppose it.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Minister for Women and Children's Affairs, are you withdrawing this proposed amendment -- Clause 2?
Hajia Mahama: Mr. Speaker, what I said was, as it is now “or gender consideration” I am proposing a second one, 2 (b) to read:
“A person shall not subject a person with disability to differential treatment on the basis of gender consideration.”
[HAJIA MAHAMA] That is the proposal I am making on the floor of the House. If hon. Members do not accept that that is a different matter but this is the new proposal, I am putting before the House.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Chairman of the Committee, what do you say to this?
Mr. Okoh 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think a lot
has been said about the fact that what is in the Bill is gender neutral. Therefore, I do not see how the introduction of “gender considerations” and others that will enrich the position as it is now; so we reject this amendment.
Dr. Kunbuor 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am sure
that we need to keep our international commitments quite clearly in focus. After the Beijing Conference and then the subsequent platform that was actually initiated, we made it as a national commitment that in every legislative and a executive action, we will be sensitive to gender considerations as part of our implementation of affirmative action. Where it would be located is the issue but to say that a Bill of this nature cannot have a gender dimension, I think, is unfortunate.
Let us go back and look at our national commitments after Beijing and the Platform of Action on Affirmative Action. That will clearly state that almost every legislation -- And when that commitment was made under the National Democratic Congress (NDC) even to the point of appointments to various institutions, they always said that, at least, one or two should be women; and that is the affirmative action platform that we committed ourselves to.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for Lawra/ Nandom, we are dealing with clause 2. Clause 2 -- At this stage, are you supporting the amendment in clause 2?
Dr. Kunbuor 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
original view is that a separate clause on this should be provided. It should not be
tucked into any other clause. It should be separate. It can even come immediately after clause 1 as a separate short clause.
Question put and amendment negatived.
Clause 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 3 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 4 - Exploitation of and discrimination against a person with disability.
Mr. Paul Okoh 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 4, line 1, delete “exploit or”.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, there are two amendments for line 1. There are two amendments so with respect, if the Chairman could take the two so that it becomes more comprehensible to us.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Right, you may wish to take the second amendment as well.
Clause 4, line 1, delete “a person with disability” and insert “exploit”.
Mr. Sallas-Mensah 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Chairman should explain the rationale behind that amendment for us to understand what the whole amendment is about.
Mr. Okoh 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is a new way of making the whole thing very smooth because if you read the original one, it says “a person shall not exploit or discriminate against”. Taking it one by one, it would mean that a person shall not exploit against, which in the English language, I think, is not acceptable. That is why we have changed the whole rendition to make it smooth.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu noon
Mr. Speaker, I believe this is a very important amendment. If we read article 29 of the 1992 Constitution we would realize that we are almost invariably borrowing some provisions in the Constitution to protect persons with disability. In that regard, I support the amendment.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Mr. Speaker noon
There is a further amendment, Chairman of the Committee.
Mr. Okoh noon
Mr. Speaker, the same clause 4, the Committee wants to add a new subclause as follows:
“(2) An employer shal l not discriminate against a prospective employee or an employee at the workplace on grounds of disability.”
Mr. Mahama Ayariga noon
Mr. Speaker, the proposed amendment reads:
“An employer shall not discriminate against a prospective employee or an employee at the workplace on grounds of disability.”
Mr. Speaker, it is important for us to recognize that there may be some situations where the very nature of the employment will make it impossible for an employer to accept a certain category of disabled persons.
I would generally propose that we should insert “unreasonably discriminate” so that it will give us an opportunity to examine any given situation to find out whether or not the circumstances merit the type of discrimination that the employer is engaged in.

So to just make a blanket arrangement where he should never discriminate, for me, might be unreasonable because there may be some situations -- For instance, if your work requires the use of hands and somebody who has a problem with his hands comes and wants employment, you would be compelled to discriminate against that person.

The very essence of the job requires the hands and so if this person has not got the facility to do it, it will be a problem for the employer to employ him. Yet the employer will be confronted with this legislation which says that he shall not discriminate against that person based on that person's disability.

Mr. Speaker, I therefore, oppose the current rendition of the amendment and rather propose that we should insert a caveat “unreasonable discrimination” so that the reasonableness of the discrimination will be determined by a case by case situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker noon
Chairman of the Committee, what do you say to that?
Mr. Okoh noon
Mr. Speaker, I believe that the rendition as we have here makes it clear where it states that on the grounds of the disability. So it is not just because of the fact that we are not - The point I want to make, Mr. Speaker, is that when we say “on the grounds of disability”, it means that you should not be discriminated against just because of your disability. But I think it makes what he is talking about very clear.
Mr. Ayariga noon
Mr. Speaker, let me explain. If an employer is engaged in a transport business and he is looking for drivers and a disabled person, somebody whose hands are deformed and therefore the person cannot drive comes and wants employment, having managed to get a

driving licence, Mr. Speaker, it is obvious that - [Interruption] - Yes, you are being asked by this legislation to disregard that disability, and I am saying that yet that disability goes to the essence, to the very core of his qualification to carry out that job.

So to have it framed this way will put employers in a very difficult situation. So I am saying that we should insert “unreasonably” so that we can, given such discrimination, do an analysis to see whether or not it is reasonable for an employer to say that this category of persons, as disabled as they are, will not be able to do the job. That is all that I am saying.

Some hon. Members -- rose -
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Members, I suggest that since this is creating a bit of a problem, we stand it down so that you put your heads together, if it is possible. [Pause] --
Hon. Members, I am suggesting that since this is creating a bit of a problem, why do you not stand this down so that you put your heads together and agree on something else? So we are deferring this amendment.
Clause 5 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 6 - Access to public places.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu noon
Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence, I think that when we met, there was just a typographical issue that I thought we could deal with. There was a proposal that “will” in the second line be deleted after “facilities that make”. So with your indulgence, without notice, I would want to move, for the deletion of “will”. In the second line of clause 6, after “facilities that make”, the “will” there
should be deleted.
Mr. Speaker noon
So that you have “facilities that make”?
Mr. H. Iddrisu noon
Exactly, Mr. Speaker.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 6 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Ms. Theresa A. Tagoe noon
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to make a suggestion. We are discussing the People With Disability Bill. Where are the people we are talking about? They are not here. They should be involved. At least, they should hear us discussing their Bill. We should bring the deaf and dumb and have somebody interpret the debate to them. They should be involved; they should hear how we are working hard for them. We have been wrong but they should be here to listen to what we are saying, they should be here. - [Interruptions.]
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Members, let us get this thing done first otherwise it is going to confuse us. [Interruptions.]
Hon. Members, let us get these clauses done, then we will come back to these other arguments.
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Mr. Speaker noon
Deputy, what do you say?
Mr. Adjaho noon
Mr. Speaker, I think that she should be ruled out of order. She is not being fair to people with disability. People have made inputs at the Consideration Stage of the Bill when the memoranda and other things were received. So to say that
they are not here in the public gallery is not being fair to them. You do not make such statements, especially when the people are not here to defend themselves.
I think that for the records, her statements would be - Mr. Speaker, shall we go on to clause 7. Mr. Speaker, clause 7 is consequential. We are removing the “will” just as we removed it in clause 6 - it is consequential.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, clause 5 was not amended.
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
There is no amendment in respect of clause 5. The amendment is in respect of clause 6. Chief Whip, what is the problem? We are dealing with clauses 5 and 6 -- [Pause.]
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we agreed on 5 and 6.
Clauses 5 and 6 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Hon. Members , maybe we may at this stage defer the Consideration Stage to tomorrow.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, a moot point - the hon. Deputy Minority Leader proposed that consequentially, that is with respect to 7, we remove just the “will” and then it will be just in tandem with the others.
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
We have not taken clause 7.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
Yes, that is the only thing - removal of the word “will”, just like we have done for 5 and 6, consequentially for 7 and then we complete it.
Clause 7 - Access to public services.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the amendment is to remove the word “will”, the second line of the clause.
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
What about the proposed amendment? Is it being withdrawn?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
No. Mr. Speaker, it is just a rehash of it; it is being restated as proposed by the Deputy Minority Leader.
Mr. Okoh 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 7, line 2, delete “and equipment”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 7 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 8 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the Chairman might have forgotten; there was a proposed 8 (b) to cater for persistence in the commission of the offence. The Draftsperson was to bring the amendment, so we can bring it later, but only to sound the House that it is in the pipeline.
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
Maybe, at this stage, we wish to defer further consideration; we will come back but you will put your heads together in the interim.
Mr. Okoh 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the proposed amendment - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 12:10 p.m.
No, I am saying that we will continue tomorrow.
The next item is closed Sitting of the House and I invite the First Deputy Speaker to continue with proceedings.
The House went into closed Sitting at
ADJOURNMENT 12:16 p.m.