Debates of 21 Jun 2006

MR. SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10 a.m.

CORRECTION OF VOTES 10 a.m.

AND PROCEEDINGS AND 10 a.m.

THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10 a.m.

Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Order! Order! Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 20th June, 2006. Pages 1 to 7 --
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member for Ajumako/ Enyan/Essiam, hon. Isaac Edumadze has sought permission to attend to some business in the constituency and the request has been relayed to your office. The hon. Member for Gushiegu, hon. Rita Tani Iddi has also travelled and the request has been dispatched to your office. I hope the Table Office will take note of that.
Mr. Speaker 10 a.m.
Hon. Members, we do
not have any Official Report for today.
Item 3 -- Urgent Questions. Minister
for Food and Agriculture, is he in the House?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, the hon. Minister responsible for Food and Agriculture is unavoidably absent and has asked the Deputy Minister to hold the fort for him, so with your permission and indulgence of the House, if you may allow the Deputy Minister to answer the Questions.
URGENT QUESTIONS 10:10 a.m.

MINISTRY OF FOOD AND 10:10 a.m.

AGRICULTURE 10:10 a.m.

Mr. Owusu-Bio 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would
Mr. Eledi 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as I have
indicated, in every district there is a District Task Force and I believe that the district that the hon. Member of Parliament comes from has a District Task Force. Mr. Speaker, we have also mounted a vigorous educational campaign and we have urged people that if they see dead birds they should make an immediate report to the Veterinary Services.
As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, if hon. Members have been reading through the newspapers they would have seen that we have opened hot lines by which one can contact the Ministry and for that matter, the Veterinary Services Directorate in case there is an outbreak. So Mr. Speaker, I can say that we are doing all we can to ensure that the disease does not break out in the hon. Member's constituency and the rest of Ghana.
Mr. Owusu-Bio 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would
also like to know from the Ministry what sort of funding is being given to the District Assembly, especially in terms of the prevention of this outbreak. I am aware that the District Assembly is almost being made to foot the whole bill -- the bill for the Task Force that he mentioned. So we would want to know what help they would be giving to them in terms of funding since we are all aware of the tax constraints facing our District Assemblies.
Mr. Eledi 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as I talk to this honourable House, the Ministry has imported a quantity of protective clothing which we intend to share to all districts in the country to ensure that the disease is contained and people who come into contact with the disease do
not get infected. Mr. Speaker, as I also talk to you, the World Bank, the African Development Bank (ADB) and some of our development partners have agreed that they are going to make resources available to enable the country fight the menace. And Mr. Speaker, I can assure the hon. Member that when we receive that funding, his constituency and his district for that matter, will have its fair share.
Mr. Lee Ocran 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, about
six months ago the hon. Minister for Food and Agriculture was in this House to answer the same Question. That Question was posed by me on this avian flu and at that time the hon. Minister said he had enough tamiflu, the vaccine against the flu in the country. Can he confirm that as at now we have enough tamiflu to fight the disease if the disease broke out?
Mr. Eledi 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I can assure the hon. Member that we have enough of it. Only yesterday we were at a conference and the Director of Veterinary Services made a presentation; we have enough of the vaccine in case there is an outbreak.
Mr. J. A. Nedebugre 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, may I know from the hon. Deputy Minister what steps have been taken, having regard to the porousness of the borders, especially in the northern part of the country where this influenza is a real threat because it has surfaced in Burkina Faso which is very close to my constituency.
Mr. Eledi 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, let me say that we have reinforced the monitoring and surveillance of birds that come into the country through our borders and we know, for instance, that the Upper East Region is one of the major entry points for poultry and poultry products from our neighbour, Burkina Faso. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, the entry point at Paga has been strengthened
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in the Answer, the hon. Deputy Minister said earlier that some organizations had promised to make resources available to Ghana in case of the spread of the disease. Then in his answer also to a supplementary question from the hon. Member for Jomoro, he said they had the resources available and ready to use. Which one are we taking? He said some organizations had promised to make the resources available and in his answer he said resources were available for use in case of the disease. Which one do we have to take?
Mr. Eledi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the supple- mentary question of the hon. Member for Jomoro was very specific. He asked about vaccines and I did assure him that we had enough of the vaccines. I did not say that we had enough of the resources. He asked whether we had enough vaccines and I answered him in the affirmative.
Mr. S. K. B. Manu 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, will the hon. Deputy Minister tell the House how safe it is now to patronize poultry products, eggs, chicken and all poultry products. How safe is it for Ghanaians
to patronize Ghanaian chicken products?
Mr. Eledi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think at the end of my Answer I did assure hon. Members of the House that they can enjoy their chicken and egg. Mr. Speaker, let me say that we are reasonably safe. All that we need to do is to ensure that chicken is cooked and cooked well. There should be no traces of blood in their chicken when they cook it. Once it is well cooked, I can say that they are almost one hundred per cent safe from the flu.
Guaranteed Prices for Food Crops
Mr. Joseph Yaani Labik asked the Minister for Food and Agriculture what plans the Ministry had to introduce guaranteed prices for food crops to stop the exploitation of the Ghanaian farmer by middlemen in the sale of their produce.
Mr. Eledi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, guaranteed minimum prices were introduced in Ghana to provide stable food prices for farmers and consumers. The scheme was, however, abolished in the early 1990s in line with Ghana's new liberalization policy. It was further argued at the time that the system was subject to several abuses, especially by the Ghana Food Distribution Corporation that implemented the policy but bought only 5 per cent of the marketed surplus.
Mr. Speaker, the Ministry of Food and Agriculture is of the view that price instability occurs due to surplus or deficit food production during certain production seasons. The Ministry has two approaches to solving production surpluses. First, the Ministry is pursuing a policy to create a market for such surplus foods and withdraw them from the market place for sale to the public during the lean season. Secondly, the Ministry is pursing
a vigorous policy of supporting the private sector to add value to agricultural produce.
Accordingly, the Ministry is in the process of establishing a National Food Buffer Stock. By this, surplus food items will be purchased from the market and stored for future consumption.
Mr. Speaker, Cabinet has already given approval, in principle, for the esta-blishment of the Buffer Stock and the Ministry is working hard around the clock to step up the modalities for its implementation. The Ministry intends to start with the cereals and to add on depending on the success of the programme.
Mr. Labik 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, when the hon. Deputy Minister says “surplus food”, I get a little bit confused. Why I posed this Question is this: We have a period that is always around the harvesting season, that is, around November/December. When the peasant farmer needs to buy a cloth for the wife, when the peasant farmers need to pay the children's school fees, this time of the year, they crowd the market just because they want to sell their produce to be able to celebrate the Christmas and the New Year.
Therefore, this is the time the farmer really needs money. So when he talks about surplus, I get confused. I would want him to explain what actually does he means by “surplus food in this country” because I do not see where there is surplus food in this country.
Mr. Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Hon. Member, what is your supplementary question?
Mr. Labik 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want him to explain what he means by “surplus food” because there is no surplus food in Ghana.
Mr. Eledi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, let me say that
Mr. F. A. Agbotse 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to find out from the hon. Deputy Minister where this surplus food is stored.
Mr. Eledi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will say that it is stored either in warehouses by brokers or in the homes of the farmers.
Mr. R. K. Ahaligah 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Deputy Minister is telling the House that this food is stored in the houses of the people. How can he prove that to this House?
Mr. Eledi 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I did indicate that it is not just in the houses of the farmers; we also have people who are brokers and who buy food and store and sell at certain periods of the season. But Mr. Speaker, I think it is only logical that if the food is produced and we do not find it in the markets and the people who produce it have not brought it to the market, at least, the assumption is that they are keeping it. And we also do know that our farmers know some economics and they know that sometimes they have to store the food to enable prices to improve before they can send the food to the market. That is why, Mr. Speaker, I am of the opinion that it is
either stored by the brokers or it is stored by the farmers themselves.
Mr. J. A. Ndebugre 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to know from the hon. Deputy Minister what strategy the Ministry has to minimize the activities of middle persons. I think that was the pith of the Question -- middle persons -- especially having regard to perishable crops like tomatoes and so on.
Mr. Eledi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that for those of us who have done elementary economics, we know that even the role of middlemen cannot be wished away; and it is more imperative that we cannot wish them away in the food crop subsector where a lot of the foods that we produce are perishable. Mr. Speaker, the issue about middlemen I would say, is quite dicey; sometimes we think that they do not play any meaningful role, but sometimes they also provide a ready and reliable market for the farmers.
So Mr. Speaker, we shall go back and look at the activities of the middlemen in conjunction with the Ministry of Trade, Industry and PSI; we would see how best we can minimize their effect. But Mr. Speaker, my submission is that we cannot wish them away because they play an important role in the food chain.
Mr. Emmanuel K. Bandua 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask the hon. Deputy Minister whether his Ministry has any plans of building up silos for the purpose of storing food items.
Mr. Eledi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Ministry I would say, is not in the process of building silos -- [Interruptions.] Mr. Speaker, already, we have facilities that are in existence from the Ghana Food Distribution Corporation. We are acquiring some of their warehouses and
we are rehabilitating them; the Ministry is acquiring some of their facilities to rehabilitate them and make them suitable for storage of foodstuffs.
So Mr. Speaker, we think that the fact that facilities are available at the former Ghana Food and Distribution Corporation -- We should not spend more money in building silos when we can rehabilitate the existing ones and store the food.
Dr Kwame Ampofo 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the crux of the Question is this. What is the Ministry doing to stabilize prices of agricultural produce -- price stabilization.
Mr. Eledi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought that that is why we said that the Ministry is in the process of establishing a national buffer stock of food. [Interruptions.]
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Do not be distracted, hon. Deputy Minister; you answer the question you are asked.
Mr. Eledi 10:30 a.m.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, we believe that when we establish the buffer stock, it means that we are in the position to mop up the surpluses that are produced and in a way guarantee some amount of stability. The fluctuation that we experience in the course of the year, we believe that it would be stabilized to some extent because when the food is in excess we mop it up, and when it is in short supply we release it unto the market; and we believe that, Mr. Speaker, if we are able to do that it would bring some price stability not only for the farmer but the consumer as well.
Mr. Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Item 4 -- Questions.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:30 a.m.

MINISTRY OF FOOD AND 10:30 a.m.

AGRICULTURE 10:30 a.m.

Mr. Eledi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, experiences the world over show that merely providing subsidies on agricultural inputs may not lead to increased productivity. Indeed, on the contrary, it sometimes encourages inefficiency in the use of resources. Having said that, please permit me to state that the Ministry is pursuing programmes that can assist the farmer increase productivity in a more sustainable way.
That notwithstanding, there are many programmes and interventions at the Ministry to support farmers. Increased productivity must start from the right seed. The Ministry is collaborating with research institutes to develop and distribute improved planting materials and breeds for sale to farmers below cost.
Specifically below are some of the programmes and interventions being pursued:
1. Provision of improved planting material and breeds for farmers;
2. Provision of almost free water for irrigation;
3. Provision for free extension services; 4. Highly subsidized vaccines;
5. Tax and duty exemptions of agricultural inputs; and
6. Importation and distribution of farm machinery and equipment under very favourable terms to farmers.
Mr. Labik 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Answer given by the hon. Deputy Minister but I would want to still find out from him what the Ministry is doing in the area of fertilizer, to bring down the prices of fertilizer so that the ordinary peasant farmer can afford to buy and increase productivity.
Mr. Eledi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, apart from the ECOWAS levy on the importation of fertilizer -- It is a zero- rated tax; that is the first thing we are doing to try and bring down the cost of fertilizer.
Secondly, Mr. Speaker, we have brought together all the fertilizer importers in this country and we are trying to find out what the bottlenecks are, and how we can reduce the cost of fertilizer. And Mr. Speaker, we have got to realize that the length of time that the fertilizer spends at the port is too long and because of demurrage charges, it invariably leads to the increase of the cost of fertilizer.
So Mr. Speaker, together with the Ministry of Ports and Railways, we have designated a special area where not just fertilizers but other agriculture inputs would be discharged. We believe that, that would be done tenuously; and we believe that if we do so the cost of fertilizer would come down.
Mr. Speaker, I am also happy to announce that only last week I was in Abuja to attend the Fertilizer Summit organized by our various Heads of State and Government to find out how we can make fertilizer more available and cheap to our farmers. And Mr. Speaker, it came out clearly at the summit by our Heads of State and Government that there must be targeted subsidies of fertilizer to the poor farmers and not just blanket subsidies.
Mr. Speaker, it also came out that because we are importing fertilizers on national basis, we are not enjoying
economies of scale and one of the recommendations to try and bring down the cost of fertilizer is to import fertilizer by regional blocks. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, we are hoping that in the not- too- distant future, ECOWAS can import fertilizer and the rest of the subregion would enjoy economies of scale since that would bring down the cost of fertilizer.
In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, the various Heads of State and Government came out with a funding mechanism for the importation of fertilizers into the continent. And Mr. Speaker, I am happy that at that summit His Excellency President Olusegun Obasanjo who hosted the summit pledged $10 million towards the funding of agricultural fertilizer importation into the continent.
So Mr. Speaker, I am saying that the Ministry is not resting on its oars to ensure that fertilizer gets to our farmers at very affordable prices.
Mr. Labik 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in his Answer he said they had just attended a conference in Nigeria and very soon our farmers should be expecting subsidies on fertilizer imports.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to find out how soon, because as we stand now, almost every Member of Parliament receives request for fertilizer by farmers in his constituency every now and then because the season has just begun. So I would want to find out how soon this facility will be made available to our farmers to relieve them of the burden of high cost of fertilizer which is selling at ¢210,000 in Bunkpurugu-Yunyoo area, as at now.
Mr. Eledi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I must say that there may not be an immediate solution to the problem; I cannot say for certain that it is going to happen within this period. What I can say is that everybody, including our development partners, the World Bank, et cetera all agree that when it comes to the distribution of fertilizer, the market has not worked. It is becoming obvious
that governments have to intervene; and Mr. Speaker, in our own small way, the Ministry has tried to intervene.
I am sure that some hon. Members of this House will remember that during the lean season the Ministry acquired fertilizer and other farm inputs and gave it out on loan to some of our farmers in some of our constituencies.
Again, Mr. Speaker, during the major season, the Ministry again acquired some fertilizer and farming inputs which we have distributed to the farmers -- the very vulnerable farmers, the ones that are cultivating one acre, two acres. So Mr. Speaker, we are making immediate interventions, but what I am saying is that we are planning for the future, and that in the long-term, the Ministry and the Government for that matter will work hard to ensure that the price of fertilizer comes down and it is available to our farmers.
Nii Amasah Namoale: Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister, in his Answer, said -- “Mr. Speaker, experiences the world over show that merely providing subsidies on agricultural inputs may not lead to increased productivity.” He did not give even one example, but he came down and said that specifically they had given subsidy to about six or five items. Are they giving the subsidy to decrease productivity or what? I ask this question because giving
subsidy may not increase productivity, so are they giving the subsidy to decrease productivity?
Mr. Eledi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the emphasis was “do not necessarily”; I said subsidies do not necessarily lead to increased production. Mr. Speaker, I think the evidence is there for all of us to see in this country. We used to subsidise agriculture, did it lead to increase?
Domestic Food Consumption Needs of Ghana
Q. 562 . Mr. Kwame Owusu Frimpong asked the Minister for Food and Agriculture what the total domestic food consumption needs of Ghana in terms of plantain, cassava, maize, rice, yam, cocoyam and other basic foodstuffs were.
Mr. Eledi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, from the statistics that we have at the Ministry of Food and Agriculture, below are the domestic food consumption needs of Ghana for the food items listed above in the year 2005:
Mr. K. O. Frimpong 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, from the table, it can be seen that the consumption of plantain and cocoyam is less than the production. I would like to know into what use we put the surplus cocoyam; do they go waste or what?
Mr. Eledi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, to an earlier Question, I had told this honourable House that we were encouraging entrepreneurs
Mr. S. Sallas-Mensah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would want to know the source of these statistics given to us here because we are Members of Parliament and he is talking to hon. Members; and we are going to use some of these figures for our debate in future. So I want to know the source of this information.
Mr. Eledi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, at the Ministry of Food and Agriculture, we have a directorate in charge of statistics, research and information, and the statistics is from that directorate.
Mr. R. A. Tawiah 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in his Answer, the Minister said there was a surplus; the consumption for maize was 918,000 and the production was over 1,000,000. But it is on record that the Government imported maize into this country; so why the importation? What happened to the surplus?
Mr. Eledi 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, you will see that the statistics that I gave is for 2005; Government imported maize because the 2004 season was bad; there was a shortage of maize and Government had to import maize.
Mr. S. K. B. Manu 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to know from the hon. Deputy Minister how these things are collated and measured. Because back at Domeabra,
my town, my mother goes to farm, harvest plantain, comes home, cooks it, and eats it. How does that go into the consumption and production brackets?
Mr. Eledi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I did indicate that there is a directorate for statistics, research and information. We have people out there in the regions and the districts who collate these information and send it to the national headquarters where it is put together.
So Mr. Speaker, the information as to the production and the consumption level, we get from our field officers who are out there and who collect the information.

Current Situation in Cotton Production

Q. 565. Mr. Edward K. Salia asked the Minister for Food and Agriculture what the current situation in cotton production in Ghana was since the involvement of the American investor in the Ghana Cotton Company Limited a few years ago.
Mr. Eledi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Agricultural Development Bank (ADB) is the main bankers of the Ghana Cotton Company (GCC). By May 2003, GCC's indebtedness to ADB was such that it affected the operations of the company. The company therefore proposed a debt/equity swap to ADB, and the bank responded favourably. By this arrangement, ADB acquired 78.2 per cent of shares in GCC.
Mr. Speaker, during the last quarter of 2003, GhanAmer, an American/Ghanaian company, through its CEO, Mr. D. J. Miller, approached ADB to take over the shares. In March 2004, an agreement was reached between ADB and GhanAmer to transfer the 78.2 per cent shares in GCC to GhanAmer. By the agreement, the
company was to pay for the shares over a 10-year period and to invest US$40 million in the form of working capital.
Mr. Speaker, GhanAmer failed to fulfil the terms and conditions, leading to an abrogation of the agreement by ADB. However, due to the importance of the cotton industry to the economy of Ghana as a whole and the north in particular, ADB continued to support GCC.
During the 2004/2005 cropping season, ADB's support to GCC was ¢37.944 billion to crop almost 28,000 acres of cotton. In the 2005/2006 cropping season, the support went up to ¢53.11 billion for a total acreage of about 47,500 acres. For the 2006/2007 season, the support is estimated at ¢85.11 billion to crop 62,500 acres. Additionally, my Ministry is making available ¢27.45 billion this year to crop 25,000 acres of cotton in the north.
Government has supported the Savannah Agricultural Research Institute (SARI) to develop three new varieties of improved cotton seeds. The seeds have been released for field trials. It is expected to lead to increased productivity of cotton.
Mr. Speaker, it is worth noting that
from the support of ADB, cotton farmers' gross incomes went up from ¢38.4 billion during the 2004/2005 cropping season to ¢57 billion during the 2005/2006 season. This is expected to go up to ¢75 billion from the new investments in the 2006/2007 cropping season.
As you are already aware, cotton is to be added to the President's Special Initiatives (PSI). I do believe that this will further enhance investments in the cotton industry.
Mr. Salia 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the hon. Deputy Minister, who are Ghan- Amer? Who are the shareholders, if he knows; and which Ghanaians are behind GhanAmer?
Mr. Eledi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what I can say is thet GhanAmer is a Ghanaian-American company, but as you can see, the dealing is between the Agricultural Development Bank (ADB) and GhanAmer and then the Ministry of Food and Agriculture. So Mr. Speaker, I must be honest, I do not know the shareholders and I do not know those who are behind the company.
Mr. Salia 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, Agricultural Development Bank is a wholly-owned State bank. I want to hear from the hon. Deputy Minister whether this investment programme went ahead without Government's knowledge or approval.
Mr. Eledi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that ADB has a board, and as I stand here the ADB is a financial institution; it is a corporate body. It has a right to enter into contracts and to exercise that right. All that I can say is that I am not in a position to give a response to that question.
Mr. Salia 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the question is a very simple one -- whether Government approved. Is he unable to answer it or he is unwilling to answer it or he does not know? Which of them?
Mr. Eledi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what I did indicate was that ADB is a limited liability company; it may be wholly government-owned, but it is a limited liability company. It has a board and I figure that these processes would have gone through the board before approval. But what I am saying is that as a Deputy Minister, not being privy to what happened at the Agricultural Development Bank, I
Mr. Salia 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, to save my younger brother -- He has indicated increasing participation of the Agricultural Development Bank in the Ghana Cotton Company (GCC) production programme. I want to find out whether these are grants, loans or just benevolent activities to needy farmers in the north.
Mr. Eledi 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, they are loans.
Mr. Salia 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if I heard rightly, the hon. Member said: “They are loans.” We just heard that as a result of excessive indebtedness of GCC to the ADB, there was a debt equity swap which resulted in GhanAmer` taking over GCC. Can I understand why they continue to give more loans and whether those loans are now being repaid?
Mr. Eledi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in my Answer, I did say that the cotton industry is a strategic industry for Government. As the hon. Member has already said, ADB is a wholly-owned Ghanaian company, a public company. We admit that the cotton farmers or the cotton companies are in distress and definitely the banks must come to their aid to enable them stand up and become liquid and maybe in the not too distant future be able to repay the loans. I do know that the loans are spread over a period of time but at least ADB has intervened to try and bail the cotton companies out of their distress.

Yearly Cycle of Famine in Northern, Upper East and Upper West Regions

Q.583. Mr. Joseph Yaani Labik asked

the Minister for Food and Agriculture what measures the Ministry had in place to stop the yearly cycle of famine in the three northern regions, namely: Northern, Upper East and Upper West Regions.
Mr. Eledi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister for Food and Agriculture had already addressed the question of productivity and steps being taken by the Ministry to improve the same. The issues raised in that response then are still relevant here. This is because the major causes of famine in the north have to do with low productivity and over-reliance on rainfall for crop production.
Famine may arise either because the farmer does not produce enough food for the family or has no money to buy adequate amounts of food for the family. The northern regions are covered in the Ministry's entire programme to enhance productivity.
In 2005, the Ministry supported the Savannah Agricultural Research Institute (SARI) to produce breeder and foundation seeds for northern-based crops like sorghum, millet, groundnut, cowpea, among others. The Ministry also supported the Northern Seed Growers Association to produce certified seeds of the various crops for northern farmers. These measures are aimed at improving productivity.
The northern regions will be benefiting from the Ministry's programme of providing underground and surface water for small scale irrigation. The programme begins this year. Already in the Upper East Region, the Ministry of Food and Agriculture through the regional agricultural office, has conducted a successful exercise of encouraging farmers to use water pumping machines to draw water from the Black Volta to irrigate their farms.
Mr. Speaker, provision of water for farming will ensure year-round crop production instead of the present four month production period in a year. It is expected that farmers can then increase crop production to meet family food
requirements.
Additionally, Mr. Speaker, the Ministry of Food and Agriculture recognizes the importance of livestock in the farming systems of the north. Accordingly, many districts in the north are covered under the Livestock Development Project being implemented by the Ministry. The project is aimed at increasing productivity in the livestock sector and to reduce rural poverty.
In the long run, however, the Ministry of Food and Agriculture has started major programmes to promote mango and cotton as major cash crops in the north. Indeed, the Agric Development Bank has mounted similar programmes to encourage mango production in that part of the country. This intervention is meant to generate reliable incomes for farmers in the north.
Mr. Labik 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to find
out from the hon. Deputy Minister what actually accounted for the failure of past interventions; and secondly, whether he can assure us of how this age-long problem can be solved by the current intervention they are trying to introduce.
Mr. Eledi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I wish that the hon. Member could enlighten me on those interventions that failed and maybe I will be in a position to respond to the question.
Mr. Labik 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think this has been an age-long problem in the three northern regions. I believe the Ministry of Food and Agriculture is aware of this problem, and that is why I am asking about the interventions; in the past and what accounted for the failures of those interventions, and then whether he can assure us that this time these interventions the Ministry is now introducing will be able to resolve that age-long problem.
Mr. Eledi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is my humble submission that this introduces new matters and we would need notice to prepare adequately to come and answer the question.
Mr. Lee Ocran 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the three northern regions are the major producers of yam in this country. In an earlier submission by the hon. Minister, the Northern Region in 2005 produced almost four million metric tonnes of yams, and less than one million metric tonne was consumed. How can there be a famine in a place which has over three million excess tonnes of yams?
Mr. Eledi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the statistics I gave for the production was for the whole country; it was not for the Northern Region. And Mr. Speaker, Brong Ahafo is a major yam producing area in this country. Mr. Speaker, certain parts of the Volta Region are major yam producing areas of the country. Mr. Speaker, certain parts of Ashanti Region, especially the Ejura area, are major yam producing areas. Mr. Speaker, certain parts of Eastern Region, especially the Afram Plains are major yam producing areas in the country. And so, Mr. Speaker, the statistics was not just in relation to the three northern regions.
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, to the hon. Deputy Minister, the key phrase in the Question is “yearly cycle of famine”. In his Answer he only listed programmes by which they intend to solve the problem. My question is, what plans do they have now in case there is famine in the next three months to solve the famine in all those three northern regions?
Mr. Eledi 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if there is a famine it is an emergency and there will be an emergency response. But what we are saying is that we want to make a conscious
Mr. Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minister, thank you very much for appearing to answer these Questions; you are discharged.
STATEMENTS 11 a.m.

DWAP 11 a.m.

Mr. Mahama Ayariga (NDC -- Bawku Central) 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think the Statement that has been made by the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural
Mr. Asamoah-Boateng 11:10 a.m.
On a point
of order. Mr. Speaker, I think if the hon. Member had listened to me carefully, I did not restrict myself to the two northern regions. I said “interventions in certain regions”, and I did mention the Volta, Central and Greater Accra Regions. I was making a point that interventions are made in certain regions sometimes, and not across board. So I think he has just restricted himself to the two northern regions, which is not exactly the Statement I made.
Mr. Ayariga 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, indeed, I heard him mention the Volta Region and other regions. But once he mentioned the two regions I am entitled in my contribution to refer to the two regions, if that is what helps to strengthen the point that I seek to make. If mentioning the other regions becomes relevant I will mention them. So I do not think that there is any need to take issue with my mention of the two regions to the exclusion of the other regions.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to point out that
the political economy of colonialism was arranged in such a way that the south was industrialised and developed through the conscious use of labour from the north, to the exclusion of development in the north. This pattern of development continued into the early period of our independence as a country and to address this certain structural measures were proposed to advance the north so that the north could catch up with the rest of the country.
Mr. Speaker, there is no doubt that free education was one of those structural measures that were taken to address this issue. Attempts were made subsequently by various governments to incorporate the north developmentally into the rest of the country through the development of certain infrastructure.
In this regard, for instance, that you see that the north has benefited a lot in terms of highway construction during the National Democratic Congress (NDC) regime, linking the north to the rest of the country -- the development and extension of electricity to the northern part of the country, linking the north to the rest of the country; the development of the telecommunications sector to link the north to the rest of the country.
So historically steps are being taken to ensure that the north is added to the rest of the country in terms of development. This is an effort that we must all commit ourselves to continuing, irrespective of whichever government is in power.

Mr. Speaker, this has not in our opinion addressed the widening inequality that exists between the north and the south. So in spite of all these interventions today we still see a yawning gap in terms of development between the north and the south, and its effects.

For instance, you go to town and you will see the kayayei; you will see the

street vendors; you will see the many un- employed youth and if you investigate their backgrounds many of them are from the north.

Again, you go to the cocoa farms, you go to the mines, you go to all those industrial hubs of this country and you find out that the very lowly paid watchmen, the toilet cleaners, et cetera, are all migrating from the north, where they have no opportunity to the south where there are some opportunities; and they wish to benefit from those opportunities. So this points to the fact that we still need a lot in order to address the inequality that exists between these two parts of the country.

Now, we have been budgeting for several years but our budgeting system has been sectoral and not regional. So even though at the beginning of the year we say the Ministry of Food and Agriculture has obtained this much, the Ministry of Health has been allocated this amount, et cetera, these budgets are sectoral and so we cannot track and indicate how much is going to which regions of this country. This sectoral system of allocation of national resources has papered, if I may put it that way, the inequality that actually exists on the ground.

Mr. Speaker, let me point out that this country is faced with a serious national security problem. Most of the time we hear that there are conflicts up north, wars are being fought, et cetera; and then we say that it is chieftaincy -- We should ask ourselves, is there no chieftaincy in the southern part of the country? And why would the southern part of the country which has chieftaincy and where chiefs sit and control gold and diamond mines, not engage in conflicts; but rather it is those who are in control of almost near deserts who are engaged in conflicts because of chieftaincy?

The real reason is not necessarily chieftaincy but the poverty, the suffering,

the hardships and the conditions in which the people find themselves. They have nothing to lose and easily these transform themselves into serious ethnic conflicts; and we have to deal with them as a national problem. So Mr. Speaker, there is still a need for us to ensure that there is some equity in terms of the distribution of the national resources.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member, are you
debating this matter? Just comment, do not debate.
Mr. Ayariga 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:20 a.m.
On a point
of order. Mr. Speaker, with respect to my hon. Colleague, he knows the rules of this House that in commenting on a Statement he should not provoke debate. Mr. Speaker, the tendentious arguments that my hon. Colleague is dishing out in the House is clearly to provoke debate. The very basis of his argument is fallacious. He has talked about poverty and he says that it is because of poverty that is why we have conflicts in the north.
But we do know that in the Central Region and even parts of the Northern Region -- If the issue is about Sahel, parts of the northern portion of the Volta Region are also Sahelian or near Sahelian. They are all in the savannah region. Mr. Speaker, so to come from that point to say that because of poverty there are a lot of chieftaincy disputes and so on and so forth,
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Bawku Central, as I have already directed, do not evoke any debate; just comment.
Mr. Ayariga 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, there is no
doubt that any Statement depending on how we decide to interpret it, can provoke debate. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member who made the Statement did indicate that nothing in the MCA document compels the inclusion of all regions in the allocation of the resources; there is no doubt about that.
But the reality is that even if the MCA document does not compel us to ensure equity in the distribution of resources that come into this country, our Constitution, the Directive Principles of State Policy chapter of the Constitution, the articles there enjoin us to ensure regional equity. It specifically mentions “region” and says there should be regional equity in the distribution of national resources. So even though we are not compelled by the MCA documents, in compliance with our own national Constitution, we have a duty to ensure regional equity in the distribution of every resource that is generated in this country or that comes to this country.
Mr. Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Member, please
wind up.
Mr. Ayariga 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, let me
indicate that the fact that interventions have taken place in parts of the country should not constitute a bar to future interventions in those parts of the country.
Indeed, the question is, why did we make those interventions in those parts of the country? And the question is: have we succeeded in bringing down the poverty profile of those parts of the country? If we
have not succeeded in bringing down the poverty of those parts of the country then there is no doubt that we have an obligation to continue to make interventions in those parts of the country in order to deal with the poverty profile issues.
It is therefore, in my opinion, not in very good taste for us to cite intervention in some parts of the country and seek to use those as an argument for our failure to ensure equitable distribution of national resources.
Mr. Speaker, on that note, I thank you for the opportunity to comment on that Statement.
Capt. N. Effah-Dartey (retd)(NPP -- Berekum): Mr. Speaker, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Statement which has been made by the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment.
Mr. Speaker, listening to the Statement that was made, the major import that I got from it was that a lot of steps are being taken by Government to address the problem of poverty within the northern sector and the Volta Region. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member who made the Statement gave facts and figures and mentioned names of districts that are really benefiting from some of the projects that are going on currently in those areas.
Mr. Speaker, I want to approach the problem from a completely different point of view, and that is the issue of local governance. Mr. Speaker, I have had the privilege of visiting each of the districts that the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment mentioned. I have been to Saboba/Chereponi and I do recall that that particular day that I went there was a market day, especially for Saboba.
Mr. Speaker, the impression I got was that if indeed we can strengthen local governance, if the Saboba Town
Council, if the various area councils in that particular district are doing the work that they are supposed to do and if we can strengthen their capacity to deliver, this issue of poverty can be addressed and eliminated within a pretty short time.
Mr. Speaker, I had the privilege of going to Yendi -- and I have been to Yendi not once, not twice but several times. Mr. Speaker, Yendi is a metropolis; Yendi is an urban centre. Yendi is a place where there are a lot of people living. But the question I want to ask is that, what is the degree of local governance in Yendi? The people living in Yendi, to what extent are they governing themselves? Mr. Speaker, I have had the opportunity to visit Karaga, Gushiegu, Nanumba North, Nanumba South -- we are talking about Bimbilla.
Mr. Speaker, when you enter the streets of Bimbilla and you see people moving up and down, the question you would want to ask is: how effective is the Bimbilla Town Council? Are the officers of the council in control of the events taking place in the country?

Mr. Speaker, my worry is that these interventions which the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment has beautifully enumerated and the huge amounts of money that are being sunk into these areas, how effective are the monies being used?
Mr. Evans Paul Aidoo 11:30 a.m.
On a point
Mr. E. P. Aidoo 11:30 a.m.
I know; I thought that as a Member of Parliament from the Brong Ahafo Region he should even speak against the modalities, but the way he is going about it, he is not worried that Brong Ahafo is not part of the MCA -- [Interruptions] -- That is the intervention that I want to make, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
You have no point of order. Let him continue.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Order! Order!
Capt. Effah-Dartey (retd): Mr. Speaker, not only Berekum, but Brong Ahafo -- [Interruptions] -- they may think that I have abandoned them and that I am now a spokesman for the North. Mr. Speaker, I think I deserve an apology

Some hon. Members: No!
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Order! Order! Hon. Member for Berekum, you do not have much time.
Capt. Effah-Dartey (retd): Well, Mr. Speaker, I am sure the good people of Brong Ahafo Region are following the proceedings and they know quite clearly that I will champion their cause anytime, anywhere, on the floor of this House.
Mr. Speaker, to conclude, I want to suggest to the Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment that all these interventions that the Ministry is carrying out, he should make us, the representatives of the people aware and conscious of them so that we can also contribute, not only in monitoring but also in ensuring that the projects go on according to plan. Indeed, Mr. Speaker, if any of us were following the Statement, that person could see clearly that huge amounts of monies have gone into these projects and the monies are so huge that it would be very disturbing if they just go down the drain with nothing to show for them.
So Mr. Speaker, I want to commend the hon. Minister for having taken the trouble to make this Statement; and I want to encourage and urge him. Fortunately, he is a Member of this House so he knows our problems and our feelings, our constraints and our limitations. I will urge him that each of these projects that are going on, he should let us know as hon. Members of Parliament so that we can help in their implementation.
Mr. David Apasera (PNC -- Bolgatanga) 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in commenting on the Statement on the floor of the House,
I would like to, with your permission, quote President Bush when he was making remarks at a ceremony celebrating the countries that were selected to enjoy from the Millennium Challenge Account, and I quote:
“In many nations poverty remains chronic and desperate. Half the world's people still live on less than $2 a day. This divide between wealth and poverty, between opportunity and misery, is far more than a challenge to our compassion. Persistent poverty and oppression can spread despair across an entire nation; they can turn nations of great potential into the recruiting grounds of terrorists.”
Mr. Speaker, it is fortunate that this Millennium Challenge Account, as has been expressly stated by the President of the United States of America, has a vision to change the poverty levels of this world because there are people who live on less than $2 a day. I may however say that in this country there are areas where people live on less than $1 a day. In the Upper East Region, from the Ghana Living Standards Survey of the Statistical Service, conducted some years back, nine people out of 10 live below poverty level. In the Upper West Region eight out of 10 people live below poverty level.
Dr. Paa Kwesi Nduom 11:30 a.m.
On a point of order: Mr. Speaker, the Statement that I
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Order! Order!
Dr. Nduom 11:30 a.m.
The hon. Member is debating something about the Millennium Challenge Account, but that is not a matter on the floor. So Mr. Speaker, I think that my hon. Colleague needs to be properly advised and called to order so that we can deal with the matter of relevance which has to do with the Statement made by the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment.
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon. Member for Bolgatanga, note that we are not debating.
Mr. Apasera 11:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am not debating, I am simply commenting on the Statement on the floor of the House. I am saying that there must be some consultations as to the way we address issues in this country. That will remove the stigma that we put on each other when we have to face facts.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at Sri Lanka that also benefited from the Millennium Challenge Account, the Sri Lankan Ministry of Finance consulted 21 national district channels. They consulted 23 civil organizations, and they consulted 14 government and civil government organizations, they consulted five international funding agencies, before they made their proposals.
I am surprised that this consultation never went on in our country, because some of us are very new to this system -- [Interruptions]-- And this is where the thing is leading us to -- [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon. Member for
Bolgatanga, I have advised you not to introduce these matters which would give rise to debate; just comment.
Mr. Apasera 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am just making a passing comment that I hope that some considerations would be made and that the people who feel left out would be seen to be part of this country and enjoy the fruits of this country. That brings about cohesion and unity in purpose because we are one nation with one destiny and we have a common purpose to develop the whole nation. Development cannot be lopsided; if it is lopsided it does not help the society; and it does not help the country.
With this, Mr. Speaker, I thank you for allowing me to be part of this Statement.
Mr. S. K. B. Manu (NPP -- Ahafo Ano South) 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to contribute to the Statement made by the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment. Mr. Speaker, in the Statement he said a lot of things, but what I want to comment on is the purposeful actions that Government takes to develop certain areas.
Mr. Speaker, we know that naturally resourses are not evenly distributed. In the distribution of resources by the Almighty God there has not been equity hence some areas are more endowed than others. It is therefore the work of leadership to, with its vision, ensure that these resources are redistributed in a manner that would bring about some level of equity. From the hon. Minister's Statement, he has told us a lot of interventions that are made in the north and I am glad those interventions have gone to the north because I hail from the north and my people in Tatale and Zabzugu stand to benefit from those interventions.
It is also gratifying to note that in recent distribution or selection of districts for some equally poverty alleviation related
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
You may wind up.
Mr. Manu 11:40 a.m.
In winding up, Mr.
Speaker, I would want to encourage Government to use its leadership role that this nation has mandated to it to redistribute resources accordingly as the Government sees fit. I thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Yes, hon. Member for Bole?
Mr. Mahama 11:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, just for
the record -- It is Bole/Bamboi. I thank you for the opportunity.
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
In any case, you have

Mr. John D. Mahama (NDC --

Bole/ Bamboi): Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment for making the Statement but I dare say that the timing of this Statement is most unfortunate. There is a very wise saying in English that sometimes you let sleeping dogs lie.

I think that a few weeks ago, the hon. Minister for Public Sector Reform came to this House to answer Questions on the Millennium Challenge Account (MCA). Based on the Answers he gave an uproar was created about the distribution of those monies. Since then I must say that some dialogue has been going on in respect to the concerns that were raised by Members of Parliament from certain regions.

But I think that this Statement just comes to open the can of worms again. That is why I think that the timing is a little bit unfortunate. But certainly we must learn some lessons from this whole experience. I think that in future when they have issues like this, we must consult more; we must deepen consultation so that everybody is brought on board, whatever project we are implementing. I think that is a very important lesson we should take from what is happening.

Mr. Speaker, this country cannot realize

true development in a lopsided manner; it cannot. The only way we can develop this country is, if we all move forward together as a nation. Mr. Speaker, if you take the three northern regions, the Ghana Living Standards Survey (GLSS) says that they are the poorest parts of this country. It did not include the Central Region because the Upper East Region has nine people out of 10 living under the poverty line; the Upper

West Region has eight people out of 10; the Northern Region has seven people out of 10; and Central Region has six people out of 10 living under the poverty line.

Mr. Speaker, but that is not to say that all the poor people of this country are concentrated in these four regions. Indeed, there are pockets of poverty in regions that are relatively thought to be well off but which probably are even poorer than people in some of these regions. And so what we need to do is to do a proper poverty sketch of this country and target interventions so that those interventions move the vulnerable in our society along with us as we try to seek growth.

Mr. Speaker, the exercise the hon.
Mr. Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Minister for Local
Government, Rural Development and Environment, do you have a point of order to raise?
M r. A s a m o a h - B o a t e n g : Ye s
Mr. Speaker, my hon. Colleague is misleading the House. Mr. Speaker, the Statement I made was to tell hon. Members the interventions being made on a growth- focused approach rather than a distributionist approach. That was the whole essence of the Statement, that the past practices where we just distribute things must give way to a growth-focused approach.
So Mr. Speaker, I just showed in the Statement certain interventions that had taken place in certain regions; and I did not restrict myself to just the three northern
regions, please: I did mention certain interventions that have gone to the Central Region at the neglect of other regions; and I did mention certain interventions that have gone to the Greater Accra Region, especially the degraded watershed area. But everybody seems to be ignoring that and they are just concentrating on the three northern regions. Please, they should not dilute my statement.
Mr. Mahama 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if the hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment had just been patient, he would have realized the conclusion I was driving at from what I said; I had not finished with what I was saying.
I said that the statistics as he presented them were unhelpful. By just picking and choosing interventions in various regions and using them as evidence that those interventions justify the fact that they were left out of the Millennium Challenge Account, does not help.
I am saying that if he drew a balance of all expenditure and interventions and after he drew that balance he said that that balance was skewed in favour of certain regions, he would be making more sense. But if he just picks and chooses -- that they have done this here and they have done that there and so because of that he tries to justify a certain situation -- it does not help matters.
Mr. Speaker, we wrote a letter to the
Mr. Felix Owusu-Adjapong 11:50 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, just a question of clarification
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for Bole/
Bamboi, I would wish that we make progress and kindly refrain from these names.
Mr. Mahama 11:50 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I was not going to respond to what the hon. Majority Leader said. I am speaking of things that I am aware of and I just indicated that we wrote a letter to the Vice- President and I am hoping that we will receive a response that will trigger a dialogue. If he has done that that is fair enough.
But Mr. Speaker, I was making a point that as a nation we cannot develop in a lopsided manner; one part of the nation cannot be developed, leaving other parts of the nation behind. There are various social and cultural implications to that kind of lopsided development.
Mr. Speaker, as poverty deepens in the three northern regions and the Central Region, you will find that the natural tendency of people is to take the line of least resistance; it is either to drift to where opportunities are. And so if you consider what is happening in this country, you will find that there is a huge and massive drift of population from areas where economic opportunities appear to be diminishing to areas where there appears to be increased opportunities. And it comes with all kinds of social problems. We have slums developing all over Accra and Tema because 80 per cent of our industry and commerce are concentrated in Accra and Tema.
So we cannot overemphasize the need for a balanced development of this country. What happens is that as economic opportunities diminish in one part of the country and people get more and more impoverished, they have no stake in the country, they have no economic resources that they need to guard that make them not want to engage in conflict.
Some of the reasons, as my hon. Colleague, the Member for Bawku Central (Mr. Mahama Ayariga) was saying about conflicts in Northern Region, are because of poverty. It is not because they are so feudalistic and love the chieftaincy institution so much that at the least provocation, they will pick up guns and go and fight. It is because they have nothing to lose. The man has just one goat; if there is a war and the goat dies, he has nothing to lose. But if he had a house or a tractor, he would be reluctant to start a war. So Mr. Speaker, lopsided development of this country is in nobody's interest.
But I just want to conclude with one point. I think that the Statement made by the hon. Minister is very dangerous and unconstitutional. Mr. Speaker, our Constitution states clearly -- very clearly -- that the State shall, in particular, take all necessary steps to establish a sound and healthy economy whose underlined principles shall include -- Mr. Speaker, I am quoting from the Constitution, article 36 (2) (d); and it states:
“The State shall, in particular, take all necessary steps to establish a sound and healthy economy whose underlying principles shall include --
(d) undertaking even and balanced development of all regions and every part of each region of Ghana . . . ”
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member, are you really concluding?
Mr. Mahama 11:50 a.m.
Yes, I am.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
All right.
Mr. Mahama 11:50 a.m.
So I am saying that
Mr. Asamoah-Boateng 11:50 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, my hon. Colleague is yet again misleading the House. Mr. Speaker, I did not conclude by saying that the days are gone. I said we must, in my opinion, reconsider our past practices. We should reconsider our past practices, Mr. Speaker. So he should not be giving me teachings in the Constitution.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
In any case, hon. Member for Bole/Bamboi, please wind up.
Mr. Mahama 11:50 a.m.
Yes, my last sentence -- Mr. Speaker, I think the Hansard will reflect exactly what the hon. Minister said. But I clearly heard him say those days when we spread resources thinly across the country are gone; I heard him. But the Hansard will indicate -- If he did not say that and the Hansard proves he did not say that, then I would withdraw what I said. But I did clearly hear him and I think that the Constitution says that resources must be spread across the country not only based on growth and opportunities but also in supporting needy areas of the country to
move along as part of one country.
Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member, I thought you were concluding.
Mr. Mahama 11:50 a.m.
Yes, that is the last sentence, Mr. Speaker. It is a little bit prolonged -- [Interruption.] Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing (Mr. Hackman Owusu- Agyemang) 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, just a short comment and to plead that we should not try to politicize this issue at all.
Mr. Speaker, I think it is unfortunate that the comments on this Statement have generated such tangential issues which are not quite helpful. I believe that in the life of the nation, in the life of a household, there are several sources of income and you put it all in a basket and you distribute them the best way you know how. I do not think that we have to say that, for example, a particular funding from say, the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) or the World Bank must be shared equally around all the ten regions. That is not practicable.
So in this instance, if in the opinion of the manager of the Millennium Challenge Account, hon. Paa Kwesi Nduom, he believes that there were enough interventions in certain areas and that certain areas ought to be given priority, I think that people must accept that this was done in the best of good faith. I have to accept the fact that perhaps the consultative process was not exhaustive enough. But we are all human and these things are done and the governance programme is dynamic.
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Mr. Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon. Member for Bawku Central, do you have a point of order?
Mr. Ayariga 11:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is so. Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether the hon. Minister is saying that the hon. Minister for Public Sector Reforms has said that because there are enough interventions in those regions, that is why he has decided to exclude those regions. I say this because that is what I get him to be saying. That is what he said.
Mr. Owusu-Agyemang noon
Mr. Speaker, it is quite unfortunate when people decide to put their own interpretation or put words in the mouths of some of us; it is not helpful either. I did not say that. I said that in the life of any institution of a household, or a nation, there are various sources of income that come into what you can call the kitty or the basket and then you distribute them equitably as enjoined by the Constitution under the Directive Principles of State Policy.
In doing so you do not target a particular input into that basket as demanding an equitable, equal distribution amongst all the regions, but you look at the entirety of the programme that you want to pursue and then say for example, that, “I have gotten $1 billion” from various sources including $500 million from the Millennium Challenge Account. How do I distribute this $1 billion?” And in so doing, everything that Government does is meant to reduce poverty, and to improve the well-being of the people.

So I do not see the point really in trying to go on -- This has been done and if in this process there is the clearest honest feeling that certain areas which should have been considered, have not

been considered, it means therefore that the next intervention that would accrue to this nation would have to be redirected to those particular areas of concern that are being articulated.

I am not disputing at all what the hon. Member is saying. What I am saying is that, this has gone, it is a complete hold and if this time round it is felt that certain interventions should have been made in some other regions, it would be made the next time because at the end of the day it is a balancing act.

That is what governance is all about and so I believe that we have spoken enough about this and we should not do anything that would seem to, if you like, question the integrity of the process or jeopardise our accessing this MCA because whatever we do it is one nation, one Ghana and I do not think that anybody is just compartmentalising this to the extent that we are going to fall over ourselves.
Mr. Speaker noon
Are you winding up?
Mr. Owusu-Agyemang noon
Mr. Speaker, because I see that you want me to yield -- If you want me to yield, I would, sir. That is the point that I am canvassing here and I believe that they should understand it and we move forward.
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Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Member for Bawku Central, do you have a point of

order?
Mr. Ayariga noon
That is so, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is clearly misleading this House. No one in this House is seeking to jeopardise accessing the Millennium Challenge Account. Indeed, that is vile propaganda that is going out there. No one on this side of the House wants to jeopardise our accessing the Millennium Challenge Account. What we are doing, Mr. Speaker, is using criteria that have been set by the hon. Minister who is managing the fund and trying to show clearly that if those criteria are what he has used then there might be something fishy if those criteria are unable to catch the Upper East and Upper West Regions within the net. That is all that we are seeking so say. And if one of the criteria the Millennium Challenge Account - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Member, we are not debating so let us forget about it for the time being; we are not debating at this stage.
Mr. Owusu-Agyemang noon
Mr. Speaker, to conclude then, I do not think that I have misled the House in anyway whatsoever. What I am saying is that if we have put this programme together and we continue to criticize - [Interruption.]
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Mr. Speaker noon
Minister for Private Sector Development, do you have a point of order to raise?
Dr. Ndoum noon
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member who just spoke - [Interruptions] -- I rose before he sat down. He used certain words I find quite objectionable which he must withdraw.
The hon. Member said that what has gone on with the MCA is quite fishy. Mr. Speaker, he used that word. Mr. Speaker, what we have been doing is in the national interest; I believe it is something quite honourable and what we are expecting to come is something that is so positive that everybody wants to be part of it. What is so fishy about it, Mr. Speaker?
Mr. Speaker noon
Hon. Member for Bawku Central, did you use the word “fishy”?
Mr. Ayariga noon
Indeed, I used the word “fishy”, but I used it in the sense that -- I wanted to say there must be something wrong with the process, if poverty profile does not catch a region that has nine out of 10 being poor and eight out of 10 being poor - [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker noon
In other words, you want to withdraw the word “fishy”?
Mr. Ayariga noon
And replace it with the words: “seriously wrong”. [Laughter.]
Mr. Owusu-Agyemang noon
Mr. Speaker, when I said that it may jeopardise and maybe affect the integrity of the process, it is such that if we are falling over ourselves and not agreeing on how to share the cake then the one who would provide it may say, “Okay, I am taking back my cake” - just to put it very simplistically. And therefore the appeal is that it has been done and, we have a dynamic situation.
If certain areas have not been addressed they would be addressed in due course. That is the point that I am making. We should not be falling over ourselves on this issue. I think that if we love ourselves, we do not quarrel. Let us love ourselves and stay together as a nation - one nation, one Ghana. That is all what I want to say, Mr. Speaker.
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Report of the Committee on Health on the Food and Drugs (Amendment) Bill.
Mr. Speaker noon
We are deferring items 7 and 8. We are taking item 8 - Motions - Chairman of the Committee on Subsidiary Legislation.
MOTIONS noon

Mr. K. Armah (CPP -- Evalue- Gwira) 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I also rise to urge hon. Members to pass this L.I.
Mr. Speaker, during our deliberations it was very clear that the processes through which disputes ought to pass before final settlement had been so spelt out in the L.I. that now it will not be easy for anybody to get up and go on strike without giving the procedures a fair chance to uphold. It will also not be very easy for the Commission also to say that it was ignoring complaints from aggrieved persons. Indeed, the procedures have been so laid out and the membership of the arbitration committees have also been so laid out that any organised group can go through the L.I. and see where its mandate has to come from.
Mr. Speaker, it seems to me that with the coming into force of this L.I. the Commission will now be properly mandated and clothed with authority to deal with strikes in this country. It
is unfortunate that the L.I. has come a little bit too late to the extent that the Commission appeared paralysed at the time when it was needed most. But it is better late than never and therefore I think this L.I. will go through so that everybody in this country, all organised labour groups will now be very clear as to what their rules are in bringing about national harmony and industrial growth.
With these few words, Mr. Speaker, I support the motion.
Mr. C. S. Hodogbey (NDC -- North
Tongu): Mr. Speaker, I support the motion, but in so doing I would want to make some comments that people do not go on strike just for the sake of it. What is most important is that if their conditions are met, hardly will they go on industrial strike. I will therefore urge that companies and governments, in order to avoid essential service workers going on strike, their conditions must be met or they have to sit with them any time they realise that a strike action is coming up. Otherwise, even though we may have laws or L.I.s, people will still flout these laws and continue to go on strike while our people suffer.
Mr. S. K. B. Manu (NPP -- Ahafo
Ano South): Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion and in doing so I would want to recollect that at the time the Labour Law was being passed, I was the Chairman of the Committee on Employment and Social Welfare and I know the amount of work that went in to bring about this law.
Mr. Speaker, what I would rather want
to say is that the workers of this country should realise that we are not working for a “colonial government”; we are working for “our own government” and in doing so, we must put the nation's welfare and the welfare of the people within the nation first.
Mr. Speaker, if we are to be selfish and think about our wellbeing as individuals or groups, we shall realise that the nation will be brought to a halt. This is because I may be a doctor and I realise that if I go on strike people will die, and as I result, I use action to twist the hands of say Government for whatever I need -- What about if the police who also keep watch over us when we sleep at night -- They patrol, they do not sleep -- What if they also decide to go on strike? What about if Members of Parliament decide not to come and make laws?
(Maj.) (Dr.) (Alhaji) (retd) M. Ahmed: On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member is misleading this House. The police do not go on strike not because they are more patriotic, the army does not go on strike not because they are more patriotic, but they cannot go on strike. That is the simple truth about the police and the army. It is mutinous to go on strike if you are a member of the Police Service or a member of our Armed Forces.
Mr. Manu 12:10 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, as I said, that is why I preluded my statement by saying I was the Chairman -- [Interruption.]
Mr. E. A. Agyepong 12:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I want to intervene by saying that the doctors swear the Hippocratic Oath which also does not allow them to go on strike. So if he is talking about Armed Forces and others, it is the same thing with other institutions.
Mr. Manu 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, just as the hon. Member for Abetifi has said, I know exactly what is in the Labour Law and I know that even under the law doctors and other workers whose work are considered
essential services -- And if you go to the interpretation of “essential services” you will see who are there, yet they flout it and go on strike and Ghanaians cry that their needs should be met because of various reasons.
Mr. Speaker, some of these groups and individuals go on strike not just because they feel they should go on strike but because they are not aware of the new law. The old-fashioned law under which people went on strike at the whims and caprices of their sentiments is still fossiled in them and drives them to go on strike even when new laws proscribe their strike. I will therefore, with the passage or the coming into being of the L.I., urge Members of the Labour Commission --
In fact, they have a critical role to play. If they should dress and go to their offices and sit there as members of the Labour Commission, nothing will be achieved. I urge them to go out of their offices to meet with the labour groups and leadership of various labour associations and educate them on the contents of the new law. I believe that if this is done and the people come to know the law and the processes that there are when they have grievances, they will then use those channels rather than just getting up and announcing strike actions.
So I urge the Labour Commission not to remain in their offices but to go out and sit with the labour groups, their leadership, educate them on the new laws and if possible they should print the new law in a portable handbook, like it has been done with the Constitution, and give them out to workers. It could even be on free-of-charge basis because if they get those booklets free of charge and they study what is in the booklet, it will save more money than when they go on strike even for one day because they do not know their rights and their obligations as
enshrined in the new law.
On this note, Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity given me to contribute to the motion.
Mr. J. Z. Amenowode (NDC --
Hohoe South): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to make my comments on the L.I. Mr. Speaker, it is good news that we now have a law that will stop strike actions. But Mr. Speaker, we equally have laws against stealing; we have laws against all vices. I would want to submit that good laws do not necessarily correct what people intend to do.
There are many components that go into a favourable labour climate and most of the times we who are in charge wait until situations deteriorate and when the labourers -- let me use that word -- begin to agitate, then we see ourselves running, fire-fighting, granting requests, granting things that we normally would have thought of as ad hoc measures.
So I just want to caution that these laws in themselves do not and would not prevent strikes because I do not think there will be an occasion when all doctors -- let us use doctors because they are in the news now -- will be arrested and put in jail for flouting the labour law; there will never be that occasion. And if teachers go on strike we cannot arrest them, or even their leadership.
So all I want to say is that the law is good but the human factors that make labour conditions favourable must supersede our attention on “there is a law, we will not go on strike again”. We must create conditions so that there will not be even the need for the law to be operational.
With these few words, I support the law and thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. E.A. Agyepong (NPP -- Abetifi) 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, first of all, I would like to
say that the Labour law does not say that except with the essential services nobody should go on strike. There are the processes which one should go through before embarking on strike actions and the L.I., as it stands, is going to enforce that.
Mr. Speaker, in 1974 when the coal miners brought down the Government of Edward Heath in Britain and Margaret Thatcher came, she brought in the Industrial Relations Act and Mr. Speaker, it has since worked. What we are saying is that the people should know the processes that are enshrined in the labour law.
As he rightly pointed out, all doctors cannot be arrested but the leadership, if they flout the law, should be arrested because this is what the law says. He talked about stealing; stealing will not stop but if you steal and you are caught you are brought before the court. That is what the law says.
Dr. J. B. Danquah was asked to comment on the motto, “Forward Ever Backward Never”. And he said that unmitigated consistency is the mark of a fool. We cannot go on in the nation as it is going on. There must be laws to govern the way we live. This is the punctum side of the argument, otherwise we would be living in a jungle. There must be a system whereby things are done or not done.
Mr. Speaker, I am also very sorry that this L.I. has come in very late, because as the former Chairman of the Employment and Social Welfare Committee said, when we were discussing this we thought it will come immediately after the law had been passed. It has been about almost a year or thereabouts before this has happened. Now that this has been passed, we have to see to its operation. It must be operationalised so that we see how it works. There is a law against murdering one's neighbour but murdering continues. So let us see how the law works, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker 12:20 p.m.
Chairman of the
Committee, you may wish to wind up.
Mr. Agbotse 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thank hon. Members for their contribution. I only want to draw attention to the fact that this Labour Commission Instrument is just one of the Instruments in the Act which are to be brought to Parliament. This one is under section 152. There is the Minister's Instrument under section 174 on various issues on labour which the hon. Minister has not yet brought to the House. I am hoping that this will come as early as possible, in view of the current spate of strikes and labour unrest in the country.
In fact, I will also mention the Copyright Act, the Instrument on that one too has not come to Parliament. We are hoping that those in charge will be able to work on it and bring it to Parliament as soon as possible. Under section 12 of that Act there should be security devices which will prevent the parity of works done by others but we do not know what types of security device will be applied. It means that parity can continue until that device is brought under the Act.
Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I thank my hon. Friends for their co- operation. Thank you very much.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.
12. 30 p.m.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, there are three committees programmed to sit to consider various matters. May I also sound hon. Members who have filed amendments to the Whistleblower Bill to stand by. Tomorrow, at 11.00 a.m. we may have winnowing on the amendments filed to reconcile the
various amendments.
On that note, I beg to move, that this House do now adjourn until tomorrow at 10 o'clock in the forenoon.
Mr. Lee Ocran 12:20 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
ADJOURNMENT 12:20 p.m.