Debates of 30 Nov 2006

MR. FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:10 a.m.

CORRECTION OF VOTES 10:10 a.m.

AND PROCEEDINGS AND 10:10 a.m.

THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:10 a.m.

BUSINESS STATEMENT FOR 10:10 a.m.

THE SIXTH WEEK ENDING 10:10 a.m.

Majority Leader/Chairman of the Business Committee (Mr. F. K. Owusu- Adjapong) 10:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Business Committee met on Wednesday, 29 th November 2006 and determined Business of the House for the Sixth Week ending Friday, 8th December 2006.
Mr. Speaker, the Committee's meeting was held ahead of the usual Thursday meetings due to the fact that tomorrow (Friday) has been declared a public Holiday.
Mr. Speaker, the Committee presents its report to this honourable House as follows 10:20 a.m.
Arrangement of Business
Question(s)
Mr. Speaker, the Committee has scheduled four (4) Ministers to respond to various Questions.
The details are as follows:
No. of
Question(s)
i. Attorney-General and Minister for Justice 4
ii. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning 3
iii. Minister for Education, Science and Sports 4
iv. Minister for Tourism and Diasporan Relations 3
Total Number of Questions 14
Mr. Speaker, a total of Fourteen (14) Questions have been scheduled to be answered
during the week.
Statements
Mr. Speaker may allow Statements duly admitted to be made on the floor of
the House.
Bills, Papers and Reports
Mr. Speaker, Bills, Papers and Reports may be presented to the House for consideration. The House would also
continue to consider Bills, Papers and Reports which have already been presented to the House.
Motions and Resolutions
Mr. Speaker, motions may be debated and the appropriate Resolutions taken where required.
Sitting of the House on Monday, 4th December 2006
Mr. Speaker, the Committee has programmed Monday, 4th December 2006 as a Sitting day of the House.
Mr. Speaker, arrangements have been made for the Governor of the Bank of Ghana to brief hon. Members about the proposed re-denomination of the cedi.
Mr. Speaker, for the information of hon. Members, there would be full press coverage of the briefing session.
Mr. Speaker, committees will also commence consideration of the 2007 Annual Budget Estimates of the various MDAs on that day.
Mr. Speaker, the Business Committee therefore urges all committees to observe full compliance of the dates assigned for presentation of their respective reports for consideration by the House.
Conclusion
Mr. Speaker, in accordance with Standing Order 160 (2) and subject to Standing Order 53, the Committee submits to this honourable House the order in which the Business of the House shall be taken during the week.

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Mr. Speaker, the Committee presents its report to this honourable House as follows 10:20 a.m.


Laying of Papers

Committee of the Whole to meet with the Governor of Bank of Ghana on the re-denomination of the cedi.

Committee Sittings --

To commence consideration of Annual Budget Estimates of MDAs

Questions --

Attorney-General and Minister for Justice - 614, 662, 750 and 865

Laying of Papers

Committee Sittings --

To continue consideration of Annual Budget Estimates of MDAs

Questions --

Minister for Finance and Economic Planning -- 231, 530 and 617.

Laying of Papers

Second Reading of Bills --

Central Securities Depository Bill.

Committee Sittings --

To continue consideration of Annual Budget Estimates of MDAs.

Questions --

Minister for Education, Science and Sports -- 620, 681, 682 and 683.

Laying of Papers --

(a) Report of the Joint Committee on Local Government and Rural Development and Environment, Science and Technology on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Local Government, Rura l Deve lopmen t and Environment for the year 2007.

(b) Report of the Committee on Foreign Affairs on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Regional Integration and NEPAD for the year 2007.

(c) Report of the Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry for Parliamentary Affairs for the year 2007.

(d) Report of the Joint Committee on Youth, Sports and Culture and Employment , Socia l Welfare and State Enterprises on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Manpower, Youth and Employment for the year 2007.

(e) Report of the Committee on Roads and Transport on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Harbours and Railways for the year 2007.

(f) Report of the Committee on Finance on the Annual Budget Estimates of Government Machinery for the year 2007.

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Mr. Speaker, the Committee presents its report to this honourable House as follows 10:20 a.m.
2007.
(h) Report of the Special Budget Committee on the Annual Budget Estimates of PSC for the year 2007.
(i) Report of the Special Budget Committee on the Annual Budget Estimates of District Assemblies Common Fund Administrator for the year 2007.
(j) Report of the Committee on Trade, Industry and Tourism on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Trade, Industry, Private Sector Development and PSI for the year 2007.
(k) Report of the Committee on Employment, Social Welfare and State Enterprises on the Annual Budget Estimates of the National Labour Commission for the year 2007.
(l) Report of the Special Budget Committee on the Annual Budget Estimates of CHRAJ for the year 2007.
(m) Report of the Committee on Special Budget on the Annual Budget Estimates of EC for the year 2007.
(n) Report of the Committee on Special Budget on the Annual Budget Estimates of NCCE for the year 2007.
(o) Report of the Committee on Special Budget on the Annual
Budget Estimates of NMC for the year 2007.
Committee Sittings

Questions --

Minister for Tourism and Diasporan Relations -- 612, 748 and 323.

Laying of Papers --

(a) Report of the Committee on Finance on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning for the year 2007.

(b) Report of the Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Justice for the year 2007.

(c) Report of the Committee on Mines and Energy on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Energy for the year 2007.

(d) Report of the Joint Committee on Lands, Forestry, Mines and Energy on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Lands, Forestry and Mines for the year 2007.

(e) Report of the Committee on Food, Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs on the Annual Budget

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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
Hon. Members, that is the proposed business
for the week.
Mr. E. K. D. Adjaho 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, some few weeks ago, I did raise the issue of a substantive Minister for Roads and Transport. Mr. Speaker, it was on that basis that the Questions that were programmed for the Minister to come and answer were withdrawn. Now, you look at the Business Statement and we are told that we will take the Annual Estimates of that Ministry. Who is in charge of that Ministry? As far as we are aware, the substantive Minister has resigned.
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I agree with the issue being raised by my hon. Colleague. That is a real issue that we may have to address. But to premise his argument or at least part of the argument on rumour which is being mongered somewhere by some uniden- tified people is wrong. Mr. Speaker, it should not be brought to this House. He should have a factual basis for his argument and not on rumours.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:20 a.m.
You are absolutely right. Hon. Deputy Minority Leader, I agree with him entirely that you are raising an issue of who should be in control and in charge of that Ministry so that Questions could be answered on this floor. But for you, in this House, to talk about rumours — Maybe you are generating the rumour by bringing it up here. I think it is improper; you need not premise it with a rumour.
Minority Leader (Mr. A. S. K. Bagbin) 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Doe Adjaho is not premising his point on
rumour. He has not used even rumour as part of the basis for his submission that there is no substantive Minister for the Roads and Transport Ministry. It is not a rumour; it is a fact but he says that there is a rumour but the rumour is something that is also in existence. He is referring to something that is in the public domain, and he says he does not want to believe it. He said so.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Minority Leader, I believe you are also not going to give credence to this rumour in this Chamber, because the rumour aspect of what he said is absolutely unnecessary for the very good point that he is raising that he wants one of the Ministers to be in charge so that Questions could be answered here. [Interruption.]
Mr. Bagbin 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if he had said “I believed in the rumour”, or “I am relying on the rumour”, that one you can object. But he is not relying on it, he is not believing it; he said we should discount it. He wants us to discount the rumour.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
So will you believe it if there is the rumour that maybe you are managing that Ministry from --
Mr. Bagbin 10:30 a.m.
Exactly. If there is that rumour, it can be referred to so that we produce evidence to discount the rumour.
Mr. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, on the day that I raised this matter, I referred to the Constitution of the Republic of Ghana and I did indicate that Deputy Ministers are not Ministers of State; they are only supposed to assist substantive Ministers of State. So if there is no Minister designated, then the Deputy Minister has no business even being there. Mr. Speaker, the President
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Yes, Majority Leader, any reaction?
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would have loved my Colleague to have raised this when we had the usual briefing. But since he wanted the press to be interested in this matter -- [Interruptions.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
No! That may not be the case. The hon. Member is doing his work here in this Chamber.
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will suggest that in future such matters, particularly since he is part of the Leadership, would be discussed through the usual channels. But I will answer his question, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to inform my hon. Colleague that nobody is running the Ministry of Transportation from his House; Dr. Anane is not doing that. And for your information, the President has asked me to handle the Ministry for him, for the moment.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority Leader, are you satisfied with the answer?
Mr. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have taken objection to this matter.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
I have already done so on your behalf.
Mr. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I raised this matter in the Business Committee as the Ranking Member. I gave him notice in committee earlier on about the absence of a substantive Minister. Mr. Speaker, he cannot come to the floor of the House and play to the gallery. He cannot do that; he is supposed to be the Majority Leader of this House.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minority Leader, I have already protested on it. The Chair has done so on your behalf.
Mr. Adjaho 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he must withdraw and apologise to me.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Please, I am not directing that, so; sit down and let us continue. Yes, any other comments on the proposed business for the week?
Mr. A. K. Agbesi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, on the same issue of the absence of the Minister for Transportation, when the issue was raised, the hon. Majority Leader informed the House that when the time was due for the Questions slated for the Minister, somebody would come and answer the Questions. Mr. Speaker, the Majority Leader has just informed the House that the President has asked him to act as the Minister for Transportation. Now, numerous Questions have been put down for the said Minister. I want to know from him why he has not listed those Questions for next week, for him to come and answer, since these Questions have been pending on the agenda for many weeks now?
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Business Committee met yesterday and tried to devote more time to working on the Budget and for that reason, you would
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even see that the number of Questions to the Ministers that are appearing next week is very limited. Mr. Speaker, when the Business Committee meets the next time, we will look at the possibility of putting Questions to any Minister, including the Minister for Transportation.
But Mr. Speaker, if you want to look at the practice of this House, anytime we are handling the Budget we try to limit the number of Questions that are put down. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with not having the Minister for Transportation and other Ministers coming.
In any case, the Questions that have been put down, we have also looked at the order in which they were asked. We have a Question like, No. 230, and definitely, whoever put that Question down, must be more concerned if he is around, and we go and answer Question numbered 625. We take all these into account. But if your view is that we should give priority to the Ministry of Transportation when it comes to Question time, I will discuss with the Business Committee. We do things there democratically, and we listen to the views of people; and that will be included.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Agbesi, is there any other question you would want to ask relating to that?
Mr. Agbesi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am not so satisfied with the answer.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
You are not so satisfied?
Mr. Agbesi 10:30 a.m.
No, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
What is the problem?
Mr. Agbesi 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the nation has been informed by H.E. the President that one legacy he is going to leave
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Agbesi, you are out of order. Please, take your seat.
Dr. Benjamin Kunbuor 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think this state of affairs remains highly unsatisfactory. We are certainly aware and guided by precedents that anytime even a Regional Minister is not functioning, it is announced from the Office of the President that another Regional Minister, from a longer distance, will take over from him; the public is aware at any particular point in time who is in charge. Transparency of state institutions requires that we must know.
From what the Majority Leader has said, we do not know at what point that appointment was done. We do not know at what particular point that responsibility was given to him and we do not know the extent to which he intends to exercise that responsibility with his heavy schedule.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
So hon. Kunbour, what do you want?
Dr. Kunbour 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my concern basically is that should any ministerial position become vacant and you want another Cabinet Minister to stand in, the public are entitled to be informed who that person is and when the person takes responsibility. Mr. Speaker, what we can take for now in the absence of any credible evidence, is that the hon. Majority Leader has appointed himself -- [Laughter.]
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that styles vary and I think you are aware that when Ministers do go on leave — and you know that under President Agyekum Kufuor Ministers go on leave
— and other Ministers are acting, we do not announce -- [Interruptions.] Or when they travel. So if the President's style is that Ministers are working for him -- [Interruption.]
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon. Majority Leader, I suppose we are talking about this Business Statement. The idea of who is to announce and at what stage, I think we should leave that for now.
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:30 a.m.
No. He is trying to make it look like there is a constitutional, legislative or whatever rule, that when the President wants somebody to act, he should announce -- [Interruptions]-- On which radio? Is it on Joy FM or Gold FM? It is not an obligation. The Constitution is right that when the President is travelling he should inform the Speaker. Now, if you choose -- [Interruptions.]
Dr. Kunbuor 10:30 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Majority Leader is misleading this House and he is actually introducing very inappropriate examples. I can understand where a Minister is on leave without the intention of staying out forever, that in the interim somebody can take responsibility. Hon. Anane is not on leave. He is certainly not returning to that Ministry and so we will want the normal principles to guide us in terms of who is taking over the Ministry in the interim.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Yes, as I have said, we will move on. We are talking about the proposed Business for the week and that -- [Interruption] -- Please, could you take your seat? I believe if you want to comment, the comment should relate to the Business Statement and not the issue of who should announce as to the one taking charge of the Ministry of Transportation.
Alhaji Collins Dauda 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, there is a matter that requires an urgent attention of the Leadership of the House. Mr. Speaker, for three days running, this House has been without water. Mr. Speaker, this certainly would affect Business of the House and therefore the Leader of the House must do something about it. The place is bad.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Adjei-Darko, are you going to say something about the water? Wait, let the Leader of the House react to that. He has asked a question; he wants to draw the attention of -- [Interruption] --
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the question that he raised would certainly affect the Business of the House; yes. But it is not of moment to the Business Statement. Mr. Speaker, it is the Business Statement we are discussing.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
I am asking the hon. Majority Leader to react to that. Hon. Collins Dauda, please take your seat.
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
am trying to get the Clerk's Office to see what solution they can provide for this. Mr. Speaker, why I have been a bit quiet is that yesterday there was an announcement to the effect that some pipe somewhere had got spoilt and therefore there was going to be water shortage up to midday today. I am not too sure whether it is, but I am arranging with the Clerk to see what immediate solution we can find.
We must all be concerned about the comfort of hon. Members of Parliament, which includes the supply of water to this
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
With this assurance, hon. Alhaji Dauda, I believe you are all right.
Alhaji Sumani Abukari 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have to go back; I am going to the Business Statement. Mr. Speaker, as the hon. Member for Ashaiman said, I do not see any Question slated for answering on roads; and I have a number of them. I am very concerned. Mr. Speaker, my concern is that I have not heard what the Majority Leader has said. [Interruption] --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
What has he said?
Alhaji Abukari 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, he said His Excellency the President said he should act as Transportation Minister -- [Laughter] -- I have not heard it. I have not heard him. As far as I am concerned, he has said nothing. [Laughter.] -- Mr. Speaker, there is a procedure by which His Excellency the President transmits information to this House -- [Inter- ruption.] It is not through the Majority Leader but through the Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tamale North, after that see the Majority Leader -- [Uproar] -- [Some hon. Members: No! Mr. Speaker.]
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member, will you take your seat?
Alhaji Abukari 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the President normally transmits his messages through the Speaker, not through the Majority Leader. He cannot appoint
himself here on the floor of the House. You have to tell us that the President has told you that the Majority Leader is now acting for the Minister for Transportation.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
I have not said that, have I?
Alhaji Abukari 10:40 a.m.
No. That is why I am saying that I have not heard him at all. As far as I am concerned, he has said nothing.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
So what question are you asking?
Alhaji Abukari 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we still expect the President to tell us who is going to act for the hon. Minister for Transportation.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Member for Tamale North, we are discussing the proposed Business Statement for the week. The hon. Member for Ashaiman did ask — maybe Questions had already been filed for the hon. Minister for Transportation. The Majority Leader has informed the House that the Business Committee indeed drew up the schedule for Questions to be answered by the hon. Minister, and he took into consideration the fact that we have the Budget to discuss and for that reason certain Questions have been put forward for Answers by the hon. Minister. Indeed, there are Questions which some of the hon. Ministers are coming to answer. This I believe is satisfactory enough. For anybody to ask that for sure you want only Questions to be answered by the hon. Minister for Transportation presupposes that the other Ministries should not come and answer Questions here. So what the Majority Leader has told us is very satisfactory. Let us continue to do business.
Alhaj i Muntaka Mohammed Mubarak: Mr. Speaker, if you look at
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Are you going back to that same -- [Interruption
.] -
Alhaji Mubarak 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, not on the same issue. We have about 14 Questions that will be answered next week. But I believe that we have many Urgent Questions that have been tabled, and some of them are as old as three weeks. If I remember, at least the hon. Minister for Communications did assure this House that from the 15th of November onwards, he would come and tell us about the expatriates issue at Ghana Telecom.
I also asked the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning about the National Health Insurance Fund which the whole of 2006 not even a kobo has been paid into the fund -- [Uproar] -- not even a kobo -- [Uproar] -- Mr. Speaker, not even a cedi has been paid into the account. These are very Urgent Questions and I feel that if we have time to answer 14 Questions, we should be looking at the Urgent Questions; but I have not seen even a single Urgent Question. Could the Majority Leader tell us something?
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is good that the Business Committee's attention has been drawn that there may be some Urgent Questions hiding somewhere. I will go and check up whether it is at the Speaker's Office or at the Clerk's Office and make it available to the Business Committee at the next meeting. We are not against any -- [Interruption.]
Mr. George Kuntu-Blankson 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, at our last meeting of the Committee of the Whole, the Majority Leader indicated to the House that there was going to be an arranged meeting between hon. Members of Parliament
and District Chief Executives on the 4th of December 2006. But in the Business Statement we have -- now there is no provision made. I would like to know from the Majority Leader whether he has dropped that Statement.
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought I had said this somewhere, but if it was not on the floor, then let me repeat. The hon. Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment drew my attention that he was having some logistics problem and therefore wanted the meeting rescheduled. That was why we said that we would have our normal Parliamentary Sitting. But if I have not officially informed the House, then it is just forgetfulness.
Mr. Adjei-Darko 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, on the Order Paper for Friday, item (ii) (J) reads -- “. . . the Joint Committee on Education, Youth, Sports and Culture”, but since Science is also part of Education now, perhaps the Committee on Environment and Science should also be part of this report. Education now covers Science also so the Committee on Environment and Science should be included.
Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 10:40 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will discuss with the Deputy Clerk for Committees and see that appropriate action could be taken. Thank you for your time.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:40 a.m.
Hon. Members, on that note we will assume that in principle, we adopt the Business Statement for the coming week, for this House. Before we move on to other Business, there will be one short Statement from the Chairman of the Committee on Agriculture. Hon. Dr. Antwi, you have the floor. [Pause.] But even before you do that, give me a minute.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
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Hon. Kofi Attor as we all know was a very, very humorous Member of Parliament, an extremely good debater and he was a member of the National Democratic Congress (NDC); and he is still a member of the NDC. He was a cadre. [Interruption.] Indeed, I am being reminded, and I accept it that, he is my brother-in-law. [Hear! Hear!]
Mr. Akwasi Osei-Adjei 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I can see our Colleague over there. Kofi when he was here was very famous with Batakari but today he is a bit different and I do not know why.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Yes, he is in suit right now, which means that he is changing. Anyway, dear law students, you are welcome. It is good that you are taking interest in what is happening not only in this House but also in what happens outside with law and law-making. You are most welcome.
STATEMENTS 10:50 a.m.

Dr. M. K. Antwi (NPP -- Atwima- Kwanwoma) 10:50 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, Friday, the 1st of December 2006 comes as the National Farmers' Day. I therefore rise to speak on this important annual event that the nation has set aside to celebrate with our gallant
Dr. A. Y. Alhassan (NDC -- Mion) 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to associate myself with the Statement that has been made in honour of our farmers and fishermen of this country, and I would like to make a few comments in support of the Statement.
It is certainly a good institution and idea that a day is set aside to reward our farmers for working extremely hard in the farms and water bodies to bring us food, raw materials for our industries and obviously crops for export to gain foreign exchange for this country. It is also good that it is a public holiday so that our farmers can at least take a day off in the whole year to have a good rest. Perhaps, it is an occasion for us to evaluate all the hardworking people who contribute immensely to uplift agriculture in this country, and by this I am referring to the frontline technical staff of the Ministry of Food and Agriculture and research scientists who work day and night to provide new technologies for farmers to improve their lot.
It is also, I think, a day for us to take a critical evaluation of our agricultural year and find out where things went wrong so that we can correct them, and where things went right so that we can encourage the right things to be done all the time.
Mr. Speaker, I think that the National Farmers' Day should not end with just outward presentation of awards to farmers.
It must also be an occasion for us who are policy-makers to take a critical view of policies that we enact and how they impact on agriculture, in particular small- scale farmers who are businessmen, to a large extent. The review must take into consideration whether food-crop farmers are making profits or not, and if the review tells a different story, we must apply our knowledge and techniques to get their lot improved.
The issue of marketing of agricultural produce is critical in the promotion of agriculture. It is also disturbing that we encourage farmers to produce, they produce a lot but they do not have markets to sell. Where there is market, the prices are so low that indeed they end up being more impoverished than we expect them to be.
Mr. Speaker, I think that to date, some people in civil society still do not believe in the transparency of selecting award winners. I think it is time that the system of selection was made more transparent and some hard work done along those lines.
To conclude, I am looking forward to the day that farmers, apart from getting rewarded on the first Friday of December each year, would also be rewarded for distinction at the national level. I am talking about farmers receiving “Star of the Volta” or something higher just as is done for people in the public service, politicians and those who have distinguished themselves in their professions.

I believe agriculture is a profession; farming is a profession and it is a business. And if farmers distinguish themselves and deserve prizes then they must climb up to the national level and receive awards.

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Finally, the issue of subsidies is almost an area that should not be touched by many people. But I think that if targets are set for farmers to achieve and they do exceed those targets, they must be rewarded somehow for the excess that they have produced.

With these few words, I associate myself entirely with the Statement.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Members, that brings us to the end of Statements. We have a lot of work to do this morning. For that reason, I am sorry I will not allow any more contributions.
We now move on to Public Business, item 5 on the Order Paper, Insurance Bill, Third Reading, hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning?
Chairman, Committee on Finance (Nii Adu Daku Mante 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that we take the Bill through a Second Consideration Stage. I so move.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion that the Insurance Bill goes through the Second Consideration Stage.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.
BILLS -- SECOND 11 a.m.

CONSIDERATION STAGE 11 a.m.

Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 5, subclause (1), line 1, after “Board” insert “other than the
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Chairman of the Committee, are you against it or you are for it?
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, I have no objection.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
It appears to me that it is non-controversial.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
Mr.
Speaker, I believe it is for good reason that my hon. Colleague, the hon. Member for Wa West, is advancing this for a second consideration.
Mr. Speaker, the Board is constituted for a three-year period. And he is saying that all the Members shall serve for three years, except the Commissioner for Insurance who should serve for more than three years. Mr. Speaker, what does that amount to? When the Board has ceased to exist after three years and they are saying that the Commissioner for Insurance should continue serving — I believe the principle is not very clear.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Commissioner for Insurance, by virtue of his position is an ex officio member of the Board. And if you look at the subsequent amendments that we approved, we are saying that some of them are not entitled to a renewal of their tenure beyond the first two terms. But a Commissioner for Insurance may as well serve, depending upon the trust and confidence the Board has in that person; and we think that he should not be affected by the limitation of only serving for two terms if he has the capacity to do more and he is entrusted with that position. It is in that direction that we move this amendment.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon. Member for Suame, are you satisfied with that?
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Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the principle being espoused is reasonable. But I am saying that the tenure of the Board itself is three years. Yes, by virtue of the fact that he is supposed to serve as an ex officio member, he could be re-elected; but it does not mean that we have to make it part of this legislation. It does not necessarily mean that.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
I am inclined to agree with you. Chairman of the Committee, do you see the point being raised by the hon. Member for Suame?
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, I am yet to understand it but the proposition suggested by the hon. Member for Tamale South was what the Committee thought of and it was agreed to by the players in the industry.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
But do you see the point that he is making? What do you say?
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, I have seen it but I am not buying his point.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
You are not buying it?
Nii Adu Mante: That is so, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Fair
enough. Then we carry it.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I just
want to convince the Majority Chief Whip to accept this amendment so that we make progress. Mr. Speaker, if you look at clause 5(1), tenure of office of members, it reads as follows and I beg to quote:
“A member of the Board shall hold office for a period not exceeding three years and is eligible for reappointment. But a member shall not be appointed for more than two
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
I think it is well canvassed.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in order to combine the two views, if he brought the “exception” somewhere else, we would have that one. Something like this and I beg to quote:
“A member of the Board shall hold office for a period not exceeding three years and is eligible for reappointment. But a member, except the Commissioner, shall not be appointed for more than three terms in succession”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
That is more elegant. Indeed, the rendition that has just been read out to us by the Deputy Majority Leader appears to be a better rendition. Do you all agree to that? Then we will refer that one to the draftsperson so that the relevant amendment is effected.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 5 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 35 -- Renewal of insurer's licence.
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 35, subclause (2), delete and substitute “The renewal of a licence under this section is effective from the date when the licence renewed would have expired but for the renewal.”
Mr. Speaker, this same language is captured under clause 125 (2) and we would want the same idea and thought to
be captured under clause 35 (2), and that is why we are asking for this deletion.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Has it been agreed upon at the committee level? You have agreed to that?
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 35 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 109 -- Discharge of judicial management order.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 109, subclause (3), paragraph (a) delete “or” and substitute “on”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Chairman of the Committee, are you in agreement?
Nii Adu Mante: That is so. The word should be “or” and not “on”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Then hon. Members, I will put the Question, unless of course somebody else wants to object to that. Hon. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu -- as usual.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I do not really comprehend the import of substituting “on” for “or” in this context. They should explain further. Mr. Speaker, it appears very incongruous and they should explain.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that the hon. Yieleh Chireh wanted the rendition to read: “by the Commission on the Judicial Manager”; and the “Judicial Manager” is created under clause 105. I must admit that since I am not in the mind of hon. Yieleh Chireh, I may have a difficulty proceeding further on this matter.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Chairman, since you agree with hon. Yieleh Chireh --
Nii Adu Mante: Yes, the clause in contention is not (b); it is (a).
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Indeed, it is not (b)?
Nii Adu Mante: It is (3) (a) but not (3) (b) where it reads as follows: “By an interested person on the Judicial Manager”; but it should be “or”. It is a typographical error.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
So it should be (3) (a).
Nii Adu Mante: It should be (3) (a) and not (3) (b). It was not properly captured; so when I stood up -- [Pause.] So (3) (a), there is “on”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Then read out the rendition and let me hear.
Nii Adu Mante: I am saying that it is captured under (3) (a) as “By an interested person on the Judicial Manager”, but it should not be “on”; it should be “or”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
So (3) (a) should be “or” instead of “on”.
Nii Adu Mante: That is so.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
“By an interested person or the Judicial Manager and the Commission”, is that not so?
Nii Adu Mante: That is so.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Member, are you against it?
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think we are being more confused. Mr. Speaker, clause 109 (3) --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Subclause 3(a), let us read the whole clause.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
“Service of an application”; “Service of a document” and it is served “on”. So in fact, all should be “on” not “or” — up to (c) should be “on”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Then in that case “on” should also be “or”.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
“An application under subsection (1) shall be served within such period before the date of the hearing as the court may direct where an application is made
(a) by an interested person, on the judicial manager and the Commission,
(b) by the Commission, on the judicial manager and
(c) by the judicial manager, on the Commission.”
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon. Members, we move on to clause 109, subclause (3), paragraph (c). That also applies, does it not? It is consequential. If we cannot do that one then we cannot do this one as well.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:10 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, except that it will then mean that in the first one, “by an interested person”, the comma there should be removed just so that — the comma after “Commission” should be removed; that makes it more sensible.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 109 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Fair enough. Hon. Members, we go to clause 210 — still hon. Yieleh Chireh.
Clause 210 -- Repeals and savings.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that clause 210, subclause (1), paragraph (a), delete “except section
52”.
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, I am opposed to the amendment.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon Iddrisu, your instructions?
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I support the amendment. Yesterday, we had a lengthy argument as to whether an insurer's agent shall be the agent of a person who wants a policy and whose form is being filled. And we said we should go for the fact that the agent shall not be deemed to be the agent of the insurance company; because the facts being given to the agent comes from the proposer. And PNDC Law 227, section 52 had such a proposal.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
It is not clause 52; it is only part of the one that has saved 78.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
PNDC Law 227 and then 78; the clause being exempted has the effect of importing that provision into this law; that will make the agent of the company be deemed -- somebody who must be the agent of the proposed person to be insured, whose power is yours, would be deemed to be the agent of the company in circumstances where he must clearly not.
So I opposed that amendment yesterday and that is why I also oppose this amendment, so that we do not have what I take to be a bad situation imported into this law. And consequently I want to oppose the one following.
Mr. Speaker, I urge hon. Members to
support the amendment and oppose the Chairman's ill-conceived proposition.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Hon Chairman of the Committee, are you not following the argument?
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
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Committee is quite comfortable with this proposal.
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, we have already saved that particular clause in the “Savings” section of the Bill by adding “except clause 52” which has already been captured in our Votes and Proceedings. We have already dealt with that. What my good Friend, hon. Yieleh Chireh is trying to do is to lift the whole of section 52 in PNDC Law 227 and set the same in this new law; this is all that he is doing. In fact, if you read word, for word the only word that hon. Yieleh Chireh has changed is the word “notwithstanding”; but it is ditto, ditto — the whole of 52.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
So it is unnecessary?
Nii Adu Mante: To me it is unnecessary.
Dr. A. A. Osei 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have just been alerted to the fact that since yesterday the Commission has changed its mind.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
That is right.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am aware that the Commission is opposed to this amendment.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
The Committee was opposed to it and the Commission itself is opposed to it. Fair enough. Then I will put the Question, hon. Members.
Nii Adu Mante: I did not hear what he said.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
He says that he is aware the Commission is opposed to it.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:10 a.m.
The Commission opposes the Chairman's position. The Commission does not want this in the law.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:10 a.m.
Do not speak for the Commission; the Chairman will do so.
Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, my Committee is in full support of what we have already done by inserting the words “except section 52”. And what we are saying is that, what hon. Yieleh Chireh wants to do is to lift the whole of section 52 which we have already inserted in the ‘Savings' clause of this Bill. For him it will be better that the whole of that section which is captured in PNDC Law 227 be inserted in the new law. But I am saying that the clause has already been saved under the repeals and savings clause of the Bill. So I do not see the reason why we should recapture it.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Fair enough. Hon. Members, we do not need to waste any time on that — maybe the last word from you.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my understanding of clause 210 in the repeals and savings section — It reads: “The following are repealed by this Act, the Insurance Law 1989, PNDC Law 227”. So what hon. Yieleh Chireh is seeking to do is to establish that the provisions of section 52 of this law which we are seeking to repeal is still relevant for the effective implementation of this Act when this Insurance Bill is passed, and nothing more.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Well, he did say that except the word “notwithstanding” that has been introduced. What has already been done maybe answers the fears or the concerns of hon. Yieleh Chireh.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 210 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Members, that brings us to the end of the Second Consideration Stage of the Insurance Bill.
Mr. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that the Insurance Bill be now read the Third time.
Mr. Adjaho 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I thought the Standing Orders ought to be suspended before we do the Third Reading.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
You are absolutely right, but with regard to this we do not need that.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, this is Second Consideration Stage and it does not require the suspension of the Standing Orders.
Mr. Bagbin 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that the reconsideration of this Bill, especially the last clause that was taken, clause 210, has not been properly done. This is because the amendment that is being proposed is that we should delete 1(a). Now, when you look at clause 210, (1)(a) is talking about the Insurance Law, 1989 PNDC Law 227.
So if you delete it, it means it is not going to be repealed, because section 210 (1) talks about “the following are repealed by this Act”. And one of those repealed is the Insurance Law, PNDCL 227. So if we delete it from this Bill it means it is not going to be repealed and it will stand as a substantive law.
Now, the situation is worsened when we say, “except section 52”. The law is standing; it is not repealed; and now we are saying “except section 52”. Now when you say, “except section 52” of that law, it means that the following is deleted. So
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[NII ADU MANTE] when we delete the Insurance Law (1989), it will not be part of this Bill; it would have been deleted, so it is not going to be repealed -- [Interruptions.]
Clause 210 says: “The following are repealed by this Act . . .” And we are saying that, (a), the Insurance Law (1989) -- So if it is left to stand now it will be repealed. The proposed amendment is saying delete it and it means that it will not be part of those -- [Interruptions] -- Wait, let me come to the section. The thing is talking about deleting it from this Bill. So when you delete it from this Bill it means that it is not going to be repealed. That is what is being proposed; it says, delete it. So it is not going to be captured by the repealed clause; it is not going to be in the Bill to be repealed.
Now, when we say, delete “except”, it means that in that case we have section 52, so section 52 will be repealed but the whole Act will not be repealed. Section 52 of that Act will be repealed because that will be captured here under the ‘repeal' clause.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Minority Leader, on the face of it I would have agreed with you but it appears this matter had been earlier on handled. Indeed, where it has been saved, the rendering will be different from this.
Mr. William O. Boafo 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, by the rendition of clause 210(1)(a), my understanding is that the new Insurance Bill purports to repeal the Insurance Law of 1989, PNDCL 227. But the new Insurance Bill is saving section 52; it is not repealing section 52. It is repealing the main Act but it is saving section 52. What the Minority Leader is saying is misleading the House.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Members, I think we should leave it to
the draftsperson.
Some hon. Members -- rose --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Please, wait; can you take your seats and let me explain, ladies and gentlemen. Votes and Proceedings for Tuesday, 28th November, 2006 — the Chairman of the Committee proposed an amendment. It says: clause 210, subclause (1) (a) at the end add “except section 52”; and it was carried. Today, the amendment that hon. Chireh is proposing is that we should go ahead and delete -- [Interruption.]
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Mr. Adjaho 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my understanding of the matter is that — I believe the problem has to do with the rendition; I think I agree with the hon. Deputy Minister. What should be there is delete and insert, because we are deleting paragraph (a) but we are saving section 52. Mr. Speaker, we are saving section 52 of the law.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I believe my hon. Colleagues are creating confusion where none exists at all. Mr. Speaker, the amendment is very clear, that by the earlier amendment some words were added, “except section 52”. The new amendment is to have those words removed; it is very simple. The new amendment by hon. Yieleh Chireh is to have those words removed so that the whole law is repealed. That is all — no exception.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
And we carried that through. Let us continue to make progress then. Hon. Members, let us move on to -- [Interruption] -- There is no problem; I do not see the problem.
Alhaji Sumani Abukari 11:20 a.m.
There is a
problem.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
What is your problem?
Alhaji Abukari 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, this is a problem because hon. Yieleh Chireh wanted the entire PNDC law deleted, except section 52. Mr. Speaker, it is as a result of that that he brought in this new clause and this morning he intimated that he was not abandoning the clause, that he was still going to insist that we take this new clause. I do not think he has asked anybody to -- [Interruption] -- The new clause has to be considered.
Mr. Bagbin 11:20 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it is the proposed amendment that is bringing the problem. Earlier on, the House took a decision to add “except section 52” to the end of clause 210 (1) (a); that was an earlier decision. So he is seeking to get that “except section 52” deleted. Now, the rendition should be “rescind”, not “delete”, because it is not in this Bill, it was a decision that was taken by this House.
So he is seeking that that decision be rescinded so that “except section 52” would no longer be part of the clause that is existing in the Insurance Law (1989), PNDCL 227. So it is the “section 52” he is asking to be deleted -- [Interruption] -- That was the decision that he is asking to be reconsidered.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon. Members, I am with you. And I would propose, hon. Members, that we leave that particular subclause for the draftsperson. Therefore, I would suspend putting the Insurance Bill through the Third Reading. We would leave it to the draftsperson and we would do so maybe on Monday, 4th December, 2006. We now go to the Budget Statement.
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  • MOTIONS 11:20 a.m.

    Dr. A. A. Osei 11:20 a.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I need to be guided because the motion read by the hon. Minister at item numbered 5 -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    It was at the Consideration Stage, but we got it rescinded and we are referring the matter back to the draftsperson for that particular matter to be considered. We would come back to it on Monday. The debate, hon. Members —
    Mr. Kojo Armah (CPP 11:20 a.m.
    None

    Gwira): Mr. Speaker, thank you for this opportunity for me to add my voice to the debate on the floor.

    Mr. Speaker, this Budget is a budget for the Jubilee year in which Ghana is celebrating its 50th anniversary and I want to start by quoting from the foreword of the Budget Statement, with your permission. On page 5, the foreword states:

    “On the eve of our 50th anniversary as a nation, I am happy that our economy is vibrant and the aspiration of attaining the status of a middle-income country in the next decade is within our reach.

    With vigorous infrastructural development, the introduction of the National Health Insurance Scheme, Capitation Grant, Free Busing and the School Feeding Programme for children and the establishment of financial schemes for micro, small and medium-sized enterprises, we have made significant gains towards

    the Millennium Development Goals. Indeed, we are likely to attain some of these goals before the UN deadline.”

    [The Budget S tatement and Economic Policy of the Government of Ghana for 2007 Financial Year].
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Hon. Members, let me remind you that we have a tall list of those wishing to contribute. For that reason, you should be mindful of your time and limit your contributions. I will strictly adhere to it; I will not give anybody more than four minutes.
    Mr. Armah 11:20 a.m.
    Mr. Speaker, these sentiments in the foreword concretely re- echo the visions of the Founding Fathers of this country which sought to build a strong country or a happy nation. Indeed, with your permission, Mr. Speaker, I would quote also the foreword of the Seven-Year Development Plan which was launched in 1963. In that short foreword, it was stated, and with your permission I quote:
    “Our aim is to establish in Ghana a strong and progressive society; in which no one would have any anxiety about the basic needs of life, about work, food and shelter; where poverty and illiteracy no longer exist and disease is brought under control and where our educational facilities provide all the children of Ghana with the best possible opportunities for the development of their potentialities.”
  • [Seven-Year Development Plan of 1963]
  • Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Your time is up so I will give you two seconds.
    Mr. Armah 11:40 a.m.
    I am a Ranking Member.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Because of “alliance case”, I will give you two seconds.
    Mr. Armah 11:40 a.m.
    Mr. Speaker, in that respect I want to also mention the programme that has been laid down for Ghana at 50. It is important we as a people should own that programme; we should all be part of that programme so
    Mr. Daniel Abodakpi (NDC -- Keta) 11:50 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the oppor- tunity to make a very short contribution towards this Budget Statement.
    Mr. Speaker, a look at chapter 348 of the Budget Statement, that is Appendix 21-- Economic Indicators for Emerging Markets -- tells a story which is very disturbing and alarming. Among all the emerging markets listed, Ghana is the one with the worst trade balance, posting a negative trade balance of minus 1821.7.
    That being the case, it should set us worrying. It should set us worrying because that can create serious doubts on how sustainable our current macro- economic stability can be in the unlikely event that there should be external shocks that could affect our primary products. And I think that as a nation we need to be developing policy choices and strategies that will take us out of this situation to enable us become attractive.
    Mr. Speaker, I also note that under portfolio investment attraction into our country, for the past five years or so and even before, it seems we have not attracted any portfolio investment into the economy as per the Budget document. What are we doing wrong that portfolio investment is passing us by? Even as we make strenuous efforts to develop the capital markets of this country, we need to do further analysis of the situation to see what we can do to ensure that this important source of investment capital does not continue to pass us by.
    Mr. Speaker, I note in paragraph 330 of the Budget Statement that we are attributing the negative trade balances to lowered cocoa, gold and other prices. But statistics that are presented in the Budget clearly show that these products have performed well over the period, since 2001. So these negative trade balances that we are registering are not due to the lower than expected commodity prices of cocoa, gold, et cetera.
    Perhaps for me, it seems to suggest that if you look at the non-oil merchandise imports, clearly we are just over- consuming. We have become a consump- tion economy, and we cannot go far if this trend continues. That for me is very worrying and does not send me any positive sign to be jubilating.

    Mr. Speaker, I note that in the main Budget Statement presented by the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, we did not find any space under the developments within the West African subregion to refer to the imminent threat that the economic partnership agreements that are due to come into force in 2008 is going to have on our economy.

    Mr. Speaker, this, for me, is very serious. If we have space to talk about

    the West African Monetary Zone, why are we not talking about the effects of the economic partnership agreements on our international trade revenue; for example, on our manufacturing sector? Pure and simple, the EPAs are calling upon us to declare our countries as free zone areas for the European Union and so if we are not, to date, developing strategies and policy options that will enable us to confront that programme, I dare say that we will wake up in 2007/2008 and realize that we are in a very, very serious problem.

    The time is now for us to be developing appropriate policy responses and strategies that will make it possible for us to derive benefits, if any, from that engagement with the European Union, come 2008.

    Mr. Speaker, China has suddenly emerged as a major player in the global economy; and they are very bullish in their efforts to penetrate all economies, including ours. Today, China is found even in our retail trade in the makolas and what have you. I am asking myself why we do not have any mention of that situation in this Budget Statement in terms of strategies that we are going to put in place, one, to ensure that the Chinese do not completely eclipse us. Do we want to continue with the situation where our dependence on imports, as shown in the negative trade balance that we have, will be continuing when we would not be able to enter those markets also?

    I think the private sector of this economy must be consciously enabled, through innovative policy choices, strategies that will enable them also to venture into some of these economies. I do not find it in the Budget. The reliefs that we have granted, for me, are too little to enable them to develop the capacity and ability to become serious players in the global market. I think it is about time, as a country, that we began to face up to
    Mr. Maxwell Kofi Jumah (NPP -- Asokwa) 11:50 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to add my voice
    to the debate on the Budget.
    Mr. Speaker, as I listened to the debate, I realized that to a large extent, our debates have been reduced to comparisons of statistics — rates of growth, percentage increases -- Things that will make professors and students in lecture halls very happy. But for ordinary mortals like us, we will lose the essence of the arguments, especially when our perceptions are distorted by selective use of statistics.
    Mr. Speaker, I want to develop my arguments by attempting to bring everything into context, looking at previous budgets and then tying it into the present one. I do remember that when the National Health Insurance Scheme was introduced, there were a lot of “naysayers”, and if you would allow me, prophets of doom, outside this House who said we should not touch it with a long pole. But lo and behold, I can talk about the National Health Insurance in my constituency; those who had the guts and foresight to embrace the National Health Insurance, are all smiling to the bank. It has made a huge difference in their lives.
    Mr. Lee Ocran 11:50 a.m.
    On a point of order. My hon. Friend said that he wondered whether in his lifetime car loans would be available. I do not know how old he is,
    but I took a car loan in 1971.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:50 a.m.
    Hon. Member, you are out of order.
    Mr. Jumah 11:50 a.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Member has added to my argument. I wondered six years ago whether in my lifetime mortgages for houses for ordinary citizens of this country would be extended to them. But yesterday I listened to the hon. Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing talking about housing loans for regular people and normal people — Not Chief Executives, not Ministers, not Members of Parliament, just regular folks.
    Mr. A. W. G. Abayateye noon
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I heard the hon. Member on the floor say that he heard the Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing saying that housing loans are being offered to people. I want to remind him that when Bank for Housing and Construction was in existence -- [Interruptions.] I want to bring it to his knowledge that when the Bank for Housing and Construction was in existence, it was giving out money. He was not in the country so he did not know about that.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Hon. Member, if you were following his argument on the debate, you would not have come out to say that. He said that six years ago, he wondered — so what are you saying?
    Mr. Abayateye noon
    Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member on the floor is saying that it has never occurred in the country and I am
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Please, resume your seat, you are out of order.
    Mr. Jumah noon
    Mr. Speaker, I wish my hon. Colleague would take his time and listen to me carefully. Everything that I say — I am not saying that it has never happened in this country. Car loans, mortgages -- there was the First House Building Society in Ghana years ago, sometime before we even got independence. But I am talking about six years ago so please, my hon. Colleague should not take me that far. In the 1970s, Ghana was up; but I will get to it.
    Mr. Abdul-Rashid Pelpuo noon
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think that my very Good Friend is out of order because he is not debating the Budget. He has said nothing about the Budget; he is bringing issues -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Hon. Member, you are out of order. Would you take your seat?
    Mr. Abayateye noon
    Mr. Speaker, on a
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Hon. Member, stick to the Standing Orders and raise appropriate points of order. This is not a point of order.
    Mr. Jumah noon
    Mr. Speaker, Ghana has

    Mr. Speaker, in 1987, out of the 110 district capitals, only 46 of them had electricity. Between 1989 and 1994, 29 more district capitals were added to the list — and I am quoting this from the Budget Statement presented to Parliament
    Alhaji Seidu Amadu noon
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think that before 1987, we had only 55 District Councils. Then when we adopted the decentralization programme, it moved from 55 to -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Hon. Member, you know that that is not a point of order; you just want to make your point heard.
    Alhaji Amadu noon
    Mr. Speaker, it is a point of correction.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Hon. Member, the hon. Member on the floor has not asked for any information from you. You are out of order.
    Mr. Jumah noon
    Mr. Speaker, I am quoting this from the Budget Statement as I have stated earlier and I have it here; I can even quote the page number. Between 1989 and 1994, 28 more capitals were added, an average of about 5 capitals of 5 communities, per year. Mr. Speaker, in 2006, over 423 communities were given electricity -- [Hear! Hear!]
    Mr. Speaker, the total revenue for this country for 1995 was ¢1.5 trillion, representing about 22 per cent of the GDP for that year. Mr. Speaker, in 1991, GDP was ¢2.5 trillion -- I am giving the nominal figures. Mr. Speaker, by 2006, GDP -- Mr. Speaker, I would like to explain this to the ordinary mortals like me. It means the total production of goods and services that translates into money in our pockets. It was ¢112.32 trillion -- [Hear! Hear!] -- Mr. Speaker, let
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker noon
    Hon. Member, you should be landing by now.
    Mr. Jumah 12:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, in this Budget, ¢2 trillion was added to the previous salary that we had in the last Budget. Mr. Speaker, some people were saying that was not enough. Mr. Speaker, it will be of interest to all of us that the ¢2 trillion that was added to the Budget for 2007, in nominal sense is more than the GDP, the total production of goods and services for 1989. I can go on. [Some hon. Members: Go on.]
    Mr. Speaker, I will just end my presentation by just adding that if you went to sleep in the year 2000 — let us assume you went into a coma and you woke up in 2006, you would be wondering whether you lost your way and found yourself somewhere in America or London or France.
    Mr. Speaker, there is an anecdote about a driver who came to Accra recently and when he got to Tetteh-Quarshie Circle he asked, “Am I in the right country?” [Hear! Hear!] Mr. Speaker, if you look at this Budget, you will know-- [Interruption.]
    Mr. George K. Arthur 12:10 p.m.
    On a point of order. The hon. Member was saying if one had gone into coma and risen, one might think he was in a different world. I want to remind him that even in Kumasi where he stays, before 2000 there was a facelift.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
    You are out of order, hon. Member. Please, sit down; take your seat.
    Mr. Jumah 12:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if you
    look at this Budget and you relate it to the previous Budgets, what you see is a group of people with vision, a group of people with an objective; and a group of people who know where they are going. It is just like travelling from Accra to, say, Nkawkaw and dozing off like the person who went into coma in 2000, and then waking up and finding that you were in Suhum. You would know you have not lost your way; you would know you are on the right track; that is what is happening now. We have not reached our destination but we know we are on the right way.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
    Alhaji Collins Dauda (NDC -- Asutifi South) 12:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity given me to contribute to this debate. But before I go on to my main issues, I would want to refer the House to page 77 of this year's Budget, paragraph 317 that deals with cocoa diseases and pests control programme. Mr. Speaker, with your permission I would read part of it --
    “317. Mr. Speaker, the Cocoa Diseases and Pests Control Programme continued in 2006 for the sixth year running with a total expenditure of ¢564.9 billion. . . .”
    Mr. Speaker, this paragraph is referring to what was set aside or budgeted for Diseases and Pests Control in last year's Budget. But in last year's Budget the figure that has been quoted here as ¢564.6 billion is not what is captured in the 2006 Budget.
    Mr. Speaker, at paragraph 331 on page 104 of the Budget of last year it is stated as follows, and with your permission I read:
    “331. Mr. Speaker, in view of the benefits to the cocoa industry, and the Government's policy of job creation in the rural areas, the Government is still committed to the Diseases and Pest Control
    Alhaji Collins Dauda (NDC -- Asutifi South) 12:10 p.m.
    “332. An amount of ¢300.0 billion has been budgeted to support the pest and diseases control programme for the 2005/2006 crop season . . .”
    Mr. Speaker, there is a disparity here in terms of figures. Mr. Speaker, we are seeing an over ¢200 billion in excess of expenditure in this particular regard and I would want the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to explain why there was this excess expenditure and who approved this excess expenditure. Who approved this excess expenditure for the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning?
    Mr. Speaker, in that same area, I believe that spraying cocoa farms is a very useful exercise. But Mr. Speaker, there is one aspect of the implementation of that programme that has not been properly done. For every spraying gang, the arrangement is that there must be a village task force that must monitor the spraying gang and supervise the spraying gang.
    Mr. Speaker, this village task force is to be made up of the chief of the village, the gang leader, a representative of the women in the area and a representative of the local buying companies (LBCs). But Mr. Speaker, if you go to the rural areas, the cocoa growing areas where the mass spraying is being done, you will find that these village task forces do not exist. And I think for purposes of transparency and accountability it is important that we ensure that these village task forces are constituted. Mr. Speaker, it is possible to find in some of the cocoa growing areas where the mass spraying is going
    on that the machines that are used for the mass spraying, and the insecticides are locked up in a New Patriotic Party (NPP) Chairman's room, to the extent that in Akontombra constituency, an NPP Secretary wrote a letter dismissing some of these gang members.

    Alhaj i Abu-Bakar Saddique Boniface: On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I want to find out from the hon. Member on the other side whether if you belong to a party, it is not a right for you to keep some property that belongs to the nation.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
    You are out of order, hon. Minister.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this submission is to ensure transparency in the implementation of the programme. Mr. Speaker, it must be clear that this money is money that has been paid by the cocoa farmer so that if in the process of implementation, some cocoa farmers are discriminated against just because of their party affiliation, it is unfair.
    Mrs. Akosua Frema Osei-Opare 12:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I want to seek clarification. Cocoa farms are not separated by walls, as I know. I am also from a cocoa farming area, and when you spray, the farms adjoining and all that are not separated by any walls. So I do not understand what he is saying.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:10 p.m.
    Hon. Member, you are out of order.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, this
    beautiful arrangement that is intended to ensure transparency was proposed by COCOBOD and my request is simply that we must make sure that wherever there is a gang for the spraying purpose, there must be this village task force. That is all I am saying.
    Mr. Speaker, I will move on to some of the policy initiatives of the NPP Government and to make a few observations.
    Mr. Speaker, if you look at page 38, paragraph 179 of the 2001 Budget of the NPP, it says as follows — Mr. Speaker, I am talking about importation of rice into the country. Mr. Speaker, if rice production in the country is properly promoted, we would be solving rural-urban migration and the consequential problems that go with it.
    Mr. Speaker, I believe it is in this direction that when the NPP took over the administration of this country it made this brilliant policy initiative. Mr. Speaker, I will crave your indulgence to read paragraph 179 at page 38 of the 2001 Budget. It reads as follows:
    “179. The first policy is to reduce rice importation by at least 30 per cent in value from the approximately ¢100 million spent on importing rice annually to supplement local production.”

    Mr. Speaker, it did not end there. In the 2005 Budget, at page 115, paragraph 361, this same intention was repeated. This year's at page 300, paragraph 1317, it is stated that the Government intends to promote rice production locally. As I said, the intension is very brilliant, but whether we can take this Government serious is another matter.

    Mr. Speaker, this Government says this

    and does the other. In 2000, when the NPP Government perceived this idea, the total value of rice imported into the country was ¢260.8 billion. Mr. Speaker, these figures are from the External Trade Department of the Statistical Service of Ghana. Then in the year 2001 when Government proposed to reduce the import by 30 per cent, unfortunately, and surprisingly, the import moved in terms of value from the ¢260.8 billion to ¢727.8 billion.
    Mr. Osafo-Maafo 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I enjoy his analysis but because the cedi at the beginning of 2000 was about ¢3,300 to the dollar and it went to about ¢7,000 to the dollar at the end of 2000, if you give figures in cedis on this volume, it will be misleading. Let us have the data; because of the devaluation let us have it in dollars, to be consistent.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it leads me to one of the difficulties I have with the Budget of the NPP Government. If they propose to do something, for instance in 2005, in 2006, we expect a report on that — I was able to achieve this and I was unable to achieve that. But it is like you lift it from 2001, 2004, 2007, with no report. Mr. Speaker, in this country, one of the achievements that has been trumpeted by the NPP is the fact that they have stabilized the cedi so wherein lies this argument he puts forth? [Laughter.]
    Dr. A. A. Osei 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my senior Colleague and very good Friend was doing very well until he started to mislead this House by his last statement that this Government does not report on its achievements. Mr. Speaker, if he looks through carefully, and I know he has, every Budget Statement has two parts -- sectoral performance and outlook. Mr. Speaker, let him look through the one he showed me
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Hon. Deputy Minister, let me remind you, was it the day before yesterday that somebody said you should not use the word “lie”?
    Dr. A. A. Osei 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I pray, he is a good Friend. I do not think he intends to mislead this House. I know he can read, so to read and say I have not seen it, I am sure he does not want to tell us that he does not understand what he is reading. I know he understands very well so he can withdraw that statement.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, certainly I am contributing to the debate on the Budget Statement of the NPP Government. But the Budget has its makers and he is one of the makers of the Budget. I was expecting him to refer to a particular paragraph of this Budget to say that they achieved 20 per cent of the targeted 30 per cent regarding the importation of rice. He should tell this House this, otherwise, my brother -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, this plaintive cry from my hon. Colleague is suggestive of the fact that he is realizing that he is threading on very dangerous grounds. Mr. Speaker, he says that rice importation in 2000 amounted to about ¢260.8 billion, and now he says for this year, it is ¢728 billion -- [Interruptions.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Hon. Members, please hold on. We do not

    exchange words; we do not converse on the floor of this House. If you want to make a contribution, fair enough.
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:20 p.m.
    That is so, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as has been said, he realizes that in September 2000, the exchange rate between the cedi and the dollar was ¢2,482 -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Are you raising a point of order or you want to contribute?
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it is a point of order, that he is grossly misleading this House. And it is that in September 1999 the exchange rate of the cedi to the dollar was ¢2,460. Mr. Speaker, between 1999, for 15 months, the cedi depreciated from ¢2,460 to ¢7,200. Mr. Speaker, so if he is quoting the cedi value -- [Interruptions.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Hon. Chief Whip, that is not the issue. He is making his contribution; you are not going to direct him as to how objectively he should do it. So allow him. Later on when I give you the opportunity, you can make your contribution.
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I respect your ruling but his subjectivity is misleading this nation.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:20 p.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As for my Friend from Suame Magazine, he would always want to trouble me. Mr. Speaker, another initiative that was mooted in 2005 and captured at page 273, paragraph 963 of the 2005 Budget Statement reads as follows: -
    “. . . Government, in collaboration with various partners will set up a Tomato Processing and Promotion
    Centre at Techiman in the Brong Ahafo Region.”
    Mr. Joseph Adda 12:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my hon. Colleague is misleading the House. I am personally aware that the Ministry of Food and Agriculture and the Ministry of Trade, Industry, Private Sector Development and PSI have had various levels of consultation on tomato processing both in Techiman and the Bolgatanga/Pwalugu area. Well, he is not privy to what is going on in the Ministries of Food and Agriculture and Trade and Industry and therefore he cannot say that no consultation has taken place.
    Mr. Speaker, he is misleading the House.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    That is for your information, hon. Collins Dauda. You may talk of land but you would not know about the consultation.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, but it is important to note that if in establishing a factory it has to take three (3) years to do consultation, then only heaven knows when the factory will be put up.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
    You have less than 60 seconds.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am a Ranking Member. [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
    So far you have been given more time than anybody else. Yes, I am aware.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, thank you
    very much. Mr. Speaker, I am saying that I know why; because in 2004 during the campaign I had the privilege of serving the people of Brong Ahafo as the Chairman of NDC and I went round the whole region, and one of the campaign promises that was made in Techiman was that a tomato factory would be put up for them. That was why in 2005 this was put in the Budget, at least to show to the people that some efforts were being made in that direction. I am afraid it may never happen. I cannot trust the NPP Government in such things.
    Mr. Speaker, finally, at page 87, paragraph 364 of this year's Budget it is stated that the NPP Government proposes to convert some leases, 260, to Timber Utilization Contracts (TUCs) and intends to generate ¢92 billion. Mr. Speaker, I have very serious difficulty how that is achievable.
    Mr. Speaker, leases were converted to Timber Utilisation Contracts after the promulgation of the Timber Resources Management Act (1997), Act 547. Mr. Speaker, in this law that was passed by this House -- [Interruption] -- I do not mind -- [Laughter] -- some savings were made. It was realized when the law was being passed that it was not possible to pass a law to take away somebody's right and therefore, timber contractors who had leases that had not expired could continue to work in their concession areas. They were given six months, under this law, to regularize their leases into TUCs. Six months, since the promulgation, has passed.
    Mr. Speaker, today, a law has been put in place, under L.I. 1621, when the
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.


    NPP Government introduced competitive bidding in the allocation of Timber Utilisation Contracts. In that law, it is said that timber rights fees must be paid by those who win TUCs under competitive bidding. Mr. Speaker, what wrong has a leaseholder, whose lease expired, done to warrant payment of timber right fees when he has not gone through competitive bidding?
    Nana Akomea 12:30 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
    You are
    out of order.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, for the
    Prof. Fobih 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the hon.
    Member is misleading the House. What the L.I. says is that after the competitive bidding exercise has been done, those without competitive bidding leases will be converted into TUCs; and that is exactly what is being done now.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, as for the
    conversion, it is long overdue. As I said, this law was passed in 1997 and in this law, the regularization should have been done within six months after the coming into force of this. So timber contractors who had leases that were valid applied for the conversion. The conversion has not been done and today, you report to Parliament in a Budget that you now want to do it, but you want to generate ¢92 billion. How do you do it?
    Prof. Fobih 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the six
    months' grace period that he is mentioning, I think, was at a time that he was in power. What did he do himself?
    Alhaji Dauda 12:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, whether I
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
    Hon.
    Collins Dauda, you have 30 seconds to end.
    Alhaji Dauda 12:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am
    saying that I have difficulty how the NPP Government can generate ¢92 billion as a result of the conversion. I am very clear in my mind that it may be illegal; it may be unconstitutional for the Government to attempt to charge any fees on somebody who owns a valid lease. I do not think that this House must encourage laws that are applied retrospectively; that is exactly what the Ministry is seeking to do.
    I think that it is wrong and must be discouraged. It is a shame on the part of the NPP Government to try to do what it is seeking to do.
    Mr. J. H. Mensah (NPP -- Sunyani
    East): Mr. Speaker, this House was treated to an enterprising and forward- looking Statement of Policy on the 16th of November 2006. Mr. Speaker, I would like to say it is regrettable that the Hansard for the day has still not been made available. But I think this is part of our problem. When we were a bit younger, people used to go out in the morning to buy the Hansard with the daily newspaper. So the country was fully informed of what was happening in Parliament. Mr. Speaker,
    today, Parliament is being sidelined in the discussion of national policy. That is the main point that I am going to try and tackle in this statement.
    Mr. Speaker, while tabling the motion for the approval of Government Policy for debate, the Minister also remitted the appropriations requested by the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning for various MDAs to the relevant parlia- mentary committees. Mr. Speaker, at the end of this budgetary process we shall do two things. One, we shall vote, to quote: “to approve the financial policy of government”; and two, we shall grant the MDAs the appropriations that have been requested.
    Mr. Speaker, I will join in voting to approve all these motions but the purpose of my intervention is not to serve notice or to explain those forthcoming votes; it is to urge you and the Leadership of the House to consider that -- as I have observed these procedures over the years, Parliament needs to equip itself with additional occasions and processes in order to more fully play its part as the Chamber of representatives charged with the responsibility to do two things: First, to oversee the management of the public purse -- the financial resources of the Consolidated Fund.
    But especial ly and even more important, Parliament has a role to play -- to participate fully in the shaping of public policy and promoting its implementation.

    To elaborate, the motion before us is to approve the financial policy of Government; it is not a motion to approve the economic policy of Government. Mr. Speaker, Parliament has no economic committee and its voice is therefore absent in the arena where these wider economic matters are to be debated, matters which

    will determine the future well-being or ill-being of the people we represent here.
    Mr. S. K. Hodogbey 12:40 p.m.
    On a point of order. I fully respect our senior Colleague but the heading of this book says the Budget Statement and Economic Policy, so for him to say that we are not discussing the economic policy of the Government -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:40 p.m.
    He has not said so.
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 12:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am trying to bring to your attention some of the gaps in our procedure. Mr. Speaker, the motion before us is to approve the Financial Policy of Government and the House has to equip itself with the means of discussing and helping to formulate and implement the broader economic policy of the nation.
    Mr. Speaker, when we vote to approve the financial policy we would not even have voted to express agreement on any particular detail of financial or monetary policy. It is a general motion and under that general motion the House should proceed further to give itself the opportunity to go into the details of financial and monetary policy. I will give you an illustration presently.
    M r. S p e a k e r, w h e n w e p a s s the Appropriation for any Ministry, Departments and Agencies (MDA)
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 12:40 p.m.


    we would also not have approved the detailed plans for any particular project or programme, but it is only in the details that Parliament can assess the true value of its general approval of the Appropriation for a particular Ministry or Department. The period between now and the 15th of December will not be spent by Parliament to examine in detail the policies and processes of any MDA.

    Most committees will report that the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning has not been very generous; he has been very mean and not allocated enough money to the agencies as they requested for Items 1, 2, 3 or 4 .

    Mr. Speaker, sometimes the policy and service to be delivered have very little to do with Items 1, 2, 3 and 4 of the Appropriation. Mr. Speaker, all over the private sector, non-governmental organisations (NGOs) there are gurus on national policy; they appear on all sides and they dictate what the nation talks about.

    Often the information is seriously deficient and the analysis is shallow but the democratic process moves on. People's information and expectations are formed and in the end Parliament, sometimes Government itself is left not leading the nation in the elaboration of policy or its detailed implementation but following an agenda of democratic dialogue set by FM stations and serial callers.

    Mr. Speaker, the purpose of my intervention therefore should offer for your consideration some suggestions on how Parliament can set itself at the head of national policy debate rather than in the chorus of misdirected populace.

    Mr. Speaker, I said Parliament has no economic committee as against its Finance Committee. Mr. Speaker, in November of last year we submitted to the House a document called Ghana Poverty Reduction Strategy (GPRS) II and that has been
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 12:50 p.m.


    referred to at various points of our debate.

    Mr. Speaker, the difference between GPRS I and GPRS II has not yet been grasped in the discussions of the House and it is important that Parliament brings itself abreast with the thrust of government policy. Mr. Speaker, embarras-singly, your committee that considered this matter is still called the Poverty Reduction Committee.

    Mr. Speaker, the difference between GPRS I and GPRS II is precisely that we have moved from the poverty reduction focus which was the thrust of policy when we were responding to the insolvency situation that we found ourselves in. And we were bold in GPRS II to make a policy thrust aimed at accelerating the rate of economic development so that the country can achieve middle income status within the lifetime of the coming generation.

    Mr. Speaker, I suggest that not only should you change the name of your Committee but that you give Parliament the opportunity to discuss this difference in policy and to put itself behind the national agenda.

    Mr. Speaker, I was saying that there is competition for this money and those who are responsible for doling it out, they dole it out in proportion to the

    urgency of the demands that are made on them; and if we are not seen to be fully committed to accelerate our rate of economic development then we would not have the support of our development partners. That is why I am saying we must give ourselves the opportunity to put Parliament behind the effort.

    Mr. Speaker, the post-insolvency strategy is based, as many people have said, on developing our human resources, on letting the private sector have its head, as the hon. Member for Keta (Mr. Daniel K. Abodakpi) said, in innovating, putting us in a good position on the international scene. All these are not part of financial policy; they are part of economic policy.

    Mr. Speaker, there are many issues involved in this change of strategy, as I said, from poverty reduction to accelerated economic growth. Therefore, I am saying that after the Budget debate, we must, between you and the Leadership, put on the Agenda of Parliament, occasions where Parliament can express its position and put itself at the head of policy debate. This is because, Mr. Speaker, when the debate is carried out on a populace basis in the media and so on, it does not have the elements that parliamentary discussions have. In Parliament, we are responsible not only to will the ends but also to provide the means. That is why we are discussing this Budget. That, having defined various purposes of policy, we are now telling the country. “We are asking you to pay taxes to do this and that in order to implement those policies.”

    When development policy is discussed in the media, all you hear is, “Why has the Government not done this? And why is the Government doing that?” And you never hear that we have to pay for it. There is an illusion in this country that some things are

    for free. Nothing is for free, Mr. Speaker. Nothing is for free. Somebody has to pay. And it is in Parliament that we have to go into the details of what we want to do and how we are going to pay for it.

    Mr. Speaker, the Parliament of the

    Fourth Republic has shown great foresight and courage on two occasions that I would like to bring to your attention. Some time ago, we saw that the higher educational system was crumbling. So on the two sides of the House, we agreed to levy a tax on all the transactions, whatever we buy, to levy a tax on it and set up the GETFund.

    This is because, Parliament could just have left the debate with complaints from the universities that they did not have laboratories, student accommodation and others. Who was to pay? Parliament decided to give leadership to the country, that we dip our hands into our pockets and pay.

    Again, when we decided that we needed to provide health security for the majority of our people, under the leadership of Parliament we levied ourselves and we also took moneys from our Social Security and National Insurance Trust (SSNIT) contributions so that we would give ourselves health security.

    Mr. Speaker, even within the ambit of financial policy alone, let me present a few examples that the House should examine in detail after this general debate. Let me take the question of our exchange rate.

    Mr. Speaker, when the NPP Government took office, the exchange rate of the cedi was in free fall and so stabilizing the value of the currency was a very important issue of policy. But Mr. Speaker, the end of economic policy is not stability; it is development. People have not noticed one aspect of stable exchange rate and
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 12:50 p.m.


    Parliament will have to discuss on that. A stable exchange rate in the past three years, as we have paid nine thousand cedis for the dollar.

    Mr. Speaker, if you were exporting say timber, you would be getting nine thousand cedis for every dollar you bring in and meanwhile your cost may be escalated by 20 per cent or 25 per cent. Wages are going up all the time. We are being pressurized by Trades Union Congress (TUC) strikes everyday. Fuel costs have gone up, and so on and so forth. And so, Mr. Speaker, a stable exchange rate is not favourable for exporting, and yet our future must be made by exporting.

    On the contrary, the stable exchange rate favours importing and that is why all over we have become a nation of traders. Everywhere you go around Accra, you see people have put up buildings, they put up cement boxes and then they put steel doors and they charge goodwill and people come in and rent the place and they sell imported goods. The development that is taking place around us is too much based on selling imports and too little based on selling our exports. So this matter of the exchange rate is not all black and white. We cannot wear a stable exchange rate as a badge of virility. We have to consider it in the face of nexuses of policy that we will require to be aware of.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:50 p.m.
    Hon. Member for Sunyani East, of course, you are making very strong points that
    Members of Parliament should consider seriously in our role as lawmakers and what we should do towards good governance -- the issue of prosperity for our nation. But I believe there should be some other time for us to talk more about these things. It appears to me that hon. Members by their body language are indicating that maybe they want to make their own contributions.
    So I think I will give you three more minutes -- [Interruption] -- Continue, hon. Member for Sunyani East.
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 1 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, there is a problem with our businessmen's access to credit for investment. The Government persuaded the Bank of Ghana to waive the reserve requirements for our commercial banks, but the commercial banks have told us -- For instance, the head of the ECOBANK has said that due to the cost of the assessment of risk they cannot lend to the majority of our own people; and we have to consider that matter.
    Mr. Speaker, again, it is very nice for us to vote in Parliament to reduce taxes. We have reduced the corporate tax rate and we have abolished the national reconstruction levy.
    But Mr. Speaker, we are asking for more services and therefore even though tax reduction may be sweet and nice, we must address the fact that by taking those decisions we are worsening the deficit on the Budget, and therefore Parliament must set itself the task of thinking seriously how to bridge that deficit to prevent it from growing ever wider and wider. Because, we all say the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning should produce more money. Where is he going to produce the “more” money from? He has not got a factory.

    Mr. Speaker, so we must draw the corollary, the conclusion from our own action, in doing a good thing like reducing taxes.

    Mr. Speaker, let me briefly refer to educational reform. We inherited thousands of bad school buildings, thousands of classrooms without teachers; we are trying to implement an educational reform policy where we are also going to add two years of kindergarten and also introduce majority of our youngsters to three years of high school education.

    Mr. Speaker, the financial implications
    rose
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
    Hon.
    Gidisu, do you want to make a point?
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 1 p.m.
    If we allow the
    debates to be dominated by a quarrel between the Ghana National Association of Teachers (GNAT) and National Association of Graduate Teachers, (NAGRAT) we will miss the point because the point is to ask how we are going to finance our educational reform, not the GNAT or NAGRAT matter.
    Mr. Speaker, again, this year is
    supposed to be the beginning of our educational reform programme and one of the essential things that we have decided as a Parliament is that we should decentralise the educational functions to the District Assemblies. But we all know that one of the biggest obstacles is that the teachers do not want to become employees of Local Government. This is a truth that we must confront.
    Mr. Speaker, again, in energy when the
    lights went out -- Mr. Speaker, we have been here and for the past eight years the nation has not added one megawatt to its power generating capacity. Mr. Speaker, every year, we ought to be adding to our generating capacity. So when we have a bad power system, do not let us be fooled by saying it is the Volta Lake; it is not the Volta Lake. The system is under great threat! It is for us to discuss in Parliament. Mr. Speaker, I am not going to tell anybody it is for Parliament to discuss the matter. [Laughter.] That is why I said I am making an intervention.
    Mr. Speaker, when you are designing a power system, with a hydro-component like Akosombo, everybody knows that some years the rain is poor, some years the rain is flooding, and in-between it is “normal”. The design parameters of the system must comprehend this natural phenomenon. Mr. Speaker, so for anybody to then say “Oh, but the Volta Lake went down”, it is a strange statement. You design a power system and you design it so that you could take out the biggest single unit in the system and still run it; and that is one of design parameters.
    We have not got a secured electrical system and when it is breaking down, if we leave it to the media to discuss -- “Oh, Kufuor has failed”, or “We want better power” -- But at the same time we do not want to pay for it. Because, when they say we must pay for it, immediately the media will tell you Kufuor is not sensitive to our plight.
    Mr. Speaker, if Kufuor is sensitive to
    Mr. Lee Ocran 1 p.m.
    In fact, I feel very
    reluctant to do this, but I want to remind the hon. former Senior Minister that he was the person claiming that tariffs were
    Mr. Lee Ocran 1 p.m.


    too high. Petrol -- he was holding the gallon; now he is saying that people should pay more. He is contradicting himself, honestly.
    Mr. J. H. Mensah 1 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I
    do not know the occasion he is talking about. Mr. Speaker, I was a member of the Government which raised petrol prices when the price of crude oil went up. We raised petrol prices and we raised them on a number of occasions because somebody must pay.
    Mr. Speaker, I am saying that if we
    debate the matter in Parliament, we will take a rational approach to it. If we allow the national debate to be conducted outside and we follow, we will not arrive at good solutions.
    Mr. Speaker, there is another story about energy going around which I want to debunk. It was said that we would go and take the Osagyefo Barge and we would dismount the generators and put them on the land and add to our capacity. Mr. Speaker, it cannot be done and Parliament should be aware.
    So what are we going to do? Mr. Speaker, it requires investments and when there is investment capital, it must be repaid with interest and profit; so we must profess the requirements of our energy sector. The Minister has promised to find a lot of money for this investment this year but we must discuss the matter and be aware of where we are going to find the money and our responsibility to repay that money.
    Mr. Speaker, last Sunday, the Vice- President of the Republic and I were on inspection of the Atronie road which we have had reconstructed into first class road to join Sunyani and the Newmont Mine at Kenyasi. Mr. Speaker, as we left that inspection, the Vice President was going to Techiman and the last thing we discussed before he left was that when he went there
    he should try and generate some support for improving the road between Sunyani and Techiman.
    Mr. Speaker, the Highway Authority got somebody, a grader to clear the side of the road, they put gravel and they put a layer of bitumen on top. Mr. Speaker, the geology of that road is atrocious, and when you make the surface such that people can go faster on a road that was built when the maximum speed of the vehicles was 30 miles an hour, and then you invite people to drive on it at 70 miles an hour, you are committing murder.
    Mr. Speaker, it is precisely what
    happened when the Vice-President was coming back from Techiman to Sunyani -- an accident spot that had claimed seventeen lives in recent months. So when I say we leave the appropriation for the Department, all right, but do we know what is happening in detail? Parliament is not aware.
    Mr. Speaker, I want to support the motion, but I want to propose that you and the Leadership give us more opportunity to go into these matters after the Christmas and go into real details because the devil, as they say, is always in the detail. I thank you, Mr. Speaker.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
    Yes, I
    will give you the opportunity, hon. Lee Ocran, and then hon. Akua Dansua -- [Interruption.] It does not matter.
    Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC -- Jomoro) 1 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I also rise to support the motion and I will do ten minutes as a Ranking Member.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1 p.m.
    I will not
    allow you ten minutes.
    Mr. Ocran 1:10 p.m.
    Ranking Member? I
    support the Government's Financial Policy for the fiscal year ending 31st December, 2007. In doing so, I want to remind ourselves that it is customary that every year Government brings its projected expenditure and income to Parliament. Parliament will debate them and approve them. So I want to entreat my fellows there, they should relax; we shall punch holes, but at the end of it we shall approve it so no problem.

    Mr. Speaker, I am happy that the venerable hon. J. H. Mensah is here, because I still remember in 1964 when he lectured us on the Marxist concept of Economic Planning. That was when he was the Executive Secretary of the State Planning Commission; and today I want to paraphrase him. I cannot quote him exactly but I want to paraphrase him:

    “Economic success or achievement cannot be measured by percentage GDP growth or the rate of inflation but by the quality of life of the people through their ability to access goods and services -- that is when we realize that the economy is booming.”
    Mr. Kojo Armah 1:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my hon. Colleague said he could not quote hon. J. H. Mensah in what he taught in 1964; that he will only paraphrase him. But I saw him reading copiously something that -- I want to know whether what he was reading was a quotation from a book or his thoughts that he put on paper
    and he was reading to us.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
    You are out of order.
    Mr. Ocran 1:10 p.m.
    He can take it wherever he likes. Next time he does that, I will not appear on their radio station -- [Laughter.] Mr. Speaker, what does GDP growth mean to an ordinary man in the street whose salary has gone up 270 per cent in the last five years but the price of his staple food, kenkey and fish has gone up 500 per cent? What is GDP growth to the man in the street if utility tariffs have gone up 600 per cent in the last five or six years? When the price of ordinary drugs have gone up by 500 per cent, when petrol prices have gone to ¢36,000 per gallon instead of ¢6,000 per gallon -- this is what I am trying to talk about. Mr. Speaker, those are past things so I want to concentrate on the health sector. The portforlio has just been given to me as the Ranking Member on Health; so I would like to concentrate on the health sector.
    Mr. Baah-Wiredu 1:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, Ghana is part of the international community. I think that all that we have here, several of these things came from outside. We cannot belittle economic indicators. We arrive at those indicators when we have taken on board all the nominal figures. GDP growth rates are not taken from the air, neither do we bring inflation figures from the heavens. They are all derived from figures that are available.
    So I would just call on my hon. Friend that he cannot belittle the indicators. If he likes he can bring his parameters, the factors and everything and then we debate them. Never should he go outside, or
    Mr. Baah-Wiredu 1:10 p.m.


    even in this country, and say inflation is not necessary or GDP growth rate is not necessary, or the exchange rate is not necessary.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
    The hon.
    Lee Ocran has not said that GDP growth is not necessary. Please, allow him to make his contribution.
    Mr. Ocran 1:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, we were informed that the National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIS) was being introduced -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. Kofi Frimpong 1:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my hon. Friend there is seriously misleading the House and the whole nation since he said that the quality of life of workers has not improved in anyway. Mr. Speaker, I would want to use some quotations from the Ghana Statistical Service and Ghana Education Service, as examples.
    Mr. Speaker, in January 2001, the monthly salary of a Certificate “A” teacher was ¢264,458.00. That time the price of a bag of cement was ¢30,500 admittedly. Right now, as we are speaking, Mr. Speaker, the price of a bag of cement, according to the statistics in October, is ¢70,000. Mr. Speaker, the salary of a Certificate “A” teacher this time is ¢1,420,686 -- [Some hon. Members: Oooh!].
    Mr. Speaker, during the time of the NDC Government that amount of money could purchase nine bags of cement for the teacher. Right now that I am talking, it can purchase 24 bags of cement for the teacher.
    Mr. Speaker, that time the salary could purchase three six-yard GTP piece of cloth for the teacher. Now, as I am speaking, it can buy nine bags of cement. He is throwing dust in the eyes of the people on food. That time, 500 grammes of rice -- the teacher could buy 33 cups. Right now a teacher can buy 101 cups of rice from his
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
    Hon.
    Members, I am in the Chair. The hon. Member for Jomoro has stated here in his argument that there has not been any improvement. He has raised a point of order that the hon. Member has misled this House and to support that he is giving figures; I must listen to him. For anybody to say that what is happening is not correct is wrong.
    Mr. K. Frimpong 1:10 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for ignoring the opposition. Mr. Speaker, so you would see that the cement that a teacher can buy right now has shot from 9 to 24 bags. How can he come and tell us here that the quality of life of the ordinary Ghanaian is deteriorating? Mr. Speaker, he is misleading the House; he must apologize to the House and the whole nation.
    Mr. Ocran 1:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it is better to ignore him; but take note of “injury” time. Mr. Speaker, we were told that the National Health Insurance Scheme was to be introduced to solve all our health problems, to take away the “Cash and Carry” system. This was notwithstanding the fact that the NHIS had been operating on pilot basis since 1998 in a number of districts. Mr. Speaker, the 2006 Budget made the following projections so far as the NHIS is concerned --
    (1) Over 50 per cent of the population to be covered -- It turned out that only 34 per cent was covered and even that only 18 per cent had cards and therefore can access the NHIS.
    (2) That the formula for the distribution of the NHIS would be brought to Parliament in January in accordance with the NHIS Act -- The formula was brought only
    this month when we have only one month left for the end of the year.
    Mr. Speaker, notwithstanding the introduction of the NHIS, not long ago it was reported that this year alone three patients had fallen from their beds in Korle Bu and died because of lack of bed railings -- ordinary bed railings which ordinary workers can fabricate -- of course, there was no money to purchase bed railings.
    Mr. Kojo Armah 1:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it seems my hon. Friend is giving the impression that the NHIS was to buy beds and therefore because no bed was bought three people had fallen from their beds and died. Mr. Speaker, he must state the facts as they are and give the proper interpretations. The NHIS was not to buy beds or bed railings. If people have fallen down from their beds he should criticize that incident and leave the NHIS alone.
    Mr. Ocran 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I want to quote something from the editorial of The Chronicle of today:
    “Currently, key units of the hospital are non-functional. These sections are: Surgical-Medical Emergency (SME), Central Laboratory, and a new Gynaecology Theatre commissioned two years ago by the President.
    For three weeks now, the Surgical- Medical Emergency (SME), the first point of call at the hospital for all emergency cases, except those to do with accidents, pregnancy and child health, have been closed to
    the public due to unsafe conditions there. For about four weeks now, the Central Laboratory of the hospital has become non-functional due to, as The Chronicle has gathered, the breakdown of a stabilizer.
    It is about two years now, since the President John Agyekum Kufuor commissioned a new Gynae- cological Theatre at Korle-Bu, yet it has never functioned due to lack of equipment. The Chronicle high- lighted this a couple of months ago.
    For a country that purports to care about the health of its citizens, to the extent of ramming down their throats a national health insurance scheme that is still tottering, The Chronicle finds the current state of Korle-Bu highly objectionable.
    For a hospital that still operates the ‘cash-and-carry' scheme, to the extent that it can put up an administrative block worth hundreds of millions of cedis, from ‘internally-generated funds' (IGF), we are at a loss as to why it cannot commit part of its proceeds into fixing problems that have direct bearings on the efficient and effective administration of health service.
    x x x x
    With regard to the new Gynae Theatre, The Chronicle is still at a loss as to why the President had to commission a project that was not ready to become operational, such that two years on, it is still non- functional.”
  • [The Chronicle, Thursday, Novem- ber 30, 2006, page 5.]
  • Dr. Francis Osafo-Mensah 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Member is misleading the House. Under the NHIS, all children under 18 years have automatic access to it. No child would be denied access because his/her parents have not paid. The “parents”, one comes in with the fact that, if both parents are contributors, they automatically get registration. But it does not mean that they are denied. It is not true. Also, what he has been quoting is somebody's opinion in a newspaper. It is not necessarily the truth. [Interruption.]
    Mr. Ocran 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, that is the hon. Chairman of my Committee and we are meeting on Monday, we are going to distribute the formula, and he would show me where it is written that children under 18 years can do so whilst their parents are not registered. He would show me.
    Mr. Speaker, I am still on the health sector --
    Prof. G. Y. Gyan-Baffour 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I think my hon. Friend here is confusing everybody and he is actually -- you know when you look at page 170 of the Budget Statement, 2007 and Mr. Speaker, with your permission I quote:
    Prof. G. Y. Gyan-Baffour 1:20 p.m.


    “Mr. Speaker, the Ministry with its collaborative agencies will sustain the National Health Insurance Scheme and expand its coverage nationwide to about 55 per cent of the population. This is to be achieved through --

    the last one that refers to what he is saying is:

    “Providing adequate funding to support services for exempt categories such as indigents, pensioners and children under 18 years.”

    It is right in there; which actually presupposes that they are already exempt and that we are going to provide more resources to enable us continue with the exemption. So he has to carry it on board, Mr. Speaker.
    Mr. Ocran 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, you were in
    this House, just last week when we were approving the formula for the whole of this year, and it was clear that those who needed the exemption have not been able to access the exemption because ¢900 million of that money is sitting in various banks in call accounts just because the formula has not been approved. You can put it on paper but the people are not accessing it; the formula has not been approved.
    How could they access it, how could they be exempted when the formula has not been approved? -- [Interruption] -- It is something he wrote for us; you let me talk.
    Mr. Speaker, it is very interesting and my hon. Friend, Prof. Gyan-Baffour is here. As at June this year, only 15 per cent
    Mr. F. Opare-Ansah 1:20 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member on the floor has consistently been misleading this House. In fact, he has sought to create the impression that due to the fact that the NHIS allocation formula was supposed to have been submitted to the House at the beginning of the year and it was submitted to the House only sometime during this month, the scheme has failed.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
    You are out of order.
    Mr. Ocran 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker that is the problem when people are confused with facts, that is how they behave. Mr. Speaker, some of the providers of healthcare under the NHIS, like pharmacies are sending people away because the insurance scheme owes the pharmacies millions of unsettled debts because of the inability -- [Interruption] -- Hon. Prof. Gyan- Baffour, listen.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
    Hon. Member, you should address the Chair.
    Mr. Ocran 1:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I want
    hon. Prof. Gyan-Baffour to listen to me. Because payments to pharmacies that
    are supposed to service patients who are registered under the NHIS have not been paid, patients are being turned away. Try it; do not try to access; I have registered but I cannot get access to the scheme. They have taken my ¢500,000.00 and up to today -- I contribute to SSNIT -- I cannot get access to the NHIS. That is the problem.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
    Hon. Lee Ocran, you have less than -- I have given you more than ten minutes.
    Mr. Ocran 1:20 p.m.
    Yes, I am even winding up. Yes, injury time; it was hon. Frimpong who created the problem. Mr. Speaker, healthcare is important and for that reason I expect the Ministry and my hon. Friend, Prof. Gyan-Baffour to allocate adequate resources to the health sector; and not only allocate but to release the money on time. There is no point giving us beautiful projections in the Budget Statement only to release 30 per cent in September.
    With these few words, I support the motion. Their Budget can be approved.
    Some hon. Member -- rose --
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Hon. Members, I want the hon. Minister for the Interior, Mr. Kan-Dapaah, to contribute
    now but before I do so, let us go back to the Insurance Bill. It appears that there was a Second Consideration of the Insurance Bill. I am told that the little problem that arose has been sorted out so we could deal with it and then allow the drafting office to finish with the work.
  • [Continuation of debate at column 2039]
  • BILLS -- SECOND 1:30 p.m.

    CONSIDERATION STAGE 1:30 p.m.

  • [Reconsideration resumed from column 1985]
  • Mr. Yieleh Chireh 1:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I move, that we take the Insurance Bill through the Second Consideration Stage -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    It has already been done.
    Mr. Chireh 1:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if you see clause 5 of the Bill -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    No, we have already handled that. Chairman of the Committee, I thought you said you had sorted the issue out.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Yes, but he is going to clause 5.
    Clause 210 -- Repeals and savings.
    Mr. Chireh 1:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, in clause 210, the Chairman had already moved an amendment in which he said we should put “except section 52”, and I say that we should reconsider it because if you look at the Long Title of the Bill that we are passing, it says that it is a law that is to make it comprehensive. Therefore, if we have a comprehensive law, it would be inappropriate to attach it to some small
    Mr. Chireh 1:30 p.m.


    section of another law. We must make it comprehensive, and it can be found in one place.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Which new clause are you talking about now? Before you came in we had handled it and it was -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. Chireh 1:30 p.m.
    The Chairman agrees with me that instead of “except section 52”, this be the position. So Mr. Speaker, I move, that this be the position in terms of the new clause replacing “except section 52”; and I urge all hon. Members to vote for the amendment.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Yes, Chairman of the Committee, what is the position?
    Nii Adu Mante: Mr. Speaker, I am yielding to his proposition, in that we delete the words “except section 52” which we added to clause 210 on the 28th of November.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Very well. That was what the hon. Minority Leader talked about -- the rescission of the decision on the amendment that was proposed by your Committee.
    Nii Adu Mante: Yes, so we are deleting the word “except”.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    You abandon that?
    Nii Adu Mante: Yes , we are abandoning it.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    So his proposed amendment to clause 210 has been agreed to?
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.


    Nii Adu Mante: It has been agreed to.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Fair enough.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Now we move on to the new clause being proposed by hon. Joseph Yieleh Chireh. Do you agree to that, hon. Chairman?
    Nii Adu Mante: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    It is so.
    Mr. Chireh 1:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I beg to
    move, new clause add a new clause as follows:
    “Insurance agents to be agents of insurers
    (1) Despite anything to the contrary contained in any contract of insurance where an insurance agent or sub-agent completes an insurance form or such similar document on behalf of any person, he shall be deemed to be the agent of the insurer and not the agent of the person on whose behalf he completes the proposal form.
    (2) Any knowledge acquired by an insurance agent or sub-agent in the course of completing an insurance proposal or such similar document under section (1) shall be deemed to be knowledge acquired by the insurer.
    (3) Nothing contained in any contract of insurance shall absolve the insurer from liability in respect of any knowledge obtained by the insurance agent
    or sub-agent under subsection
    (2).”
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr. Chireh 1:30 p.m.
    I have succeeded.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    That
    should be the end of the Insurance Bill.
    BILLS -- THIRD READING 1:30 p.m.

    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    Now, we go back to the debate, yes hon. Minister for the Interior.
    Government's Financial Policy, 2007
  • [Continuation of debate from column 2035]
  • Minister for the Interior (Mr. Albert Kan-Dapaah) 1:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I can assure my hon. Friend that I am not going to cause any trouble for him. But Mr. Speaker, I have listened very carefully to the arguments that have come from hon. Members who have contributed to this debate. Even while I was away during the week, I kept in close contact with hon. Friends so I could be briefed on what was being discussed here.
    But I think I have a problem. Mr. Speaker, year upon year, upon year, our hon. Friends have ridiculed the Budgets that we have presented. At times they call it azaa, at times they call it awam; then I say to myself, Mr. Speaker, in spite of all this, year after year, the economy is growing. The economy is performing wonders.
    Mr. Speaker, it is important for us to remember where we are coming from.
    The year 2000, we were left with an inflation rate of 40.5. Over the years, we have brought this down to 10.5; they call that azaa. Mr. Speaker, interest rate was 52 per cent when they handed over; we have brought this to around 20 per cent. Mr. Speaker, they are still calling the Budget azaa.
    Mr. Speaker, when we took over, the total tax revenue for the nation was ¢4.4 trillion. Today, it is over ¢23 trillion; still, they are not clapping for us. Mr. Speaker, GDP, 2001 -- 4.2; 2002 -- 4.5;
    2003 -- 5.2; 2004 -- 5.8; 2006 -- 6.2
    Alhaji Collins Dauda 1:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member is misleading the House. Mr. Speaker, in the year 2000, a gallon of petrol was ¢6,000; today it is ¢36,000; he should take that on board.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
    You are out of order, hon. Member.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:30 p.m.
    There he goes.
    Faced with statistical realities, they talk like that. They say that economic indicators are meaningless; that a gallon of petrol was this, without relating it to income levels. What was the salary at the time and what is the salary today, the minimum wage, I mean? I want to make a very important statement; I hope they are listening.
    Mr. Speaker, if you want to talk and discuss economics, at least you must respect the basic laws and theories of economics. When you come to discuss the Budget, you are discussing economics and if you have no respect for the laws and theories of the subject, then do not talk about it. The basic laws of economics will tell you that if the macro-economic indicators are not good, it is not possible to create wealth and jobs within an economy; and that is the basic truth that I think we need to take into account when we discuss
    2037 Insurance Bill -- 30 Nov. 2006 2nd Con. Stage
    Mr. Raymond Tawiah 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. The hon. Member opposite is seriously misleading this House in the sense that since 1960 when the UN declared the decade of development, GDP growth is no longer used as an indicator for development.
    Mr. Tawiah 1:40 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:40 p.m.
    So, Mr. Speaker, I go back to the advice I gave to my friends. If they want to discuss economics they must at least, at the minimum, have some respect for the basic of theories and laws.
    Mr. Inusah Fuseini 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister for the Interior is seriously misleading the House.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    What is your point?
    Mr. Fuseini 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, we are talking about how the Budget will affect the standard of living of Ghanaians and I am drawing his attention to what hon. J. H. Mensah said on Growth and Poverty Reduction Strategy (GPRS) II, (vi). Listen to his words of wisdom -- [Laughter.]
    “Too often, the technical numbers get in the way of such intelligent assessment. People live well or
    poorly not in proportion to GDP growth rate or ‘X' dollars per head per annum, but in relation to their access to tangible goods and services.”
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    So what is your point?
    Mr. Fuseini 1:40 p.m.
    The point is that he has
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    So, your point is that the figures that he is rolling out are misleading.
    Mr. Fuseini 1:40 p.m.
    He is misleading the House insofar as he is seeking to suggest that the figures lead to better standard of living of the people of Ghana.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    You are out of order. Hon. Minister for the Interior, please continue.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am sure you will now appreciate the advice that I gave. If they want to talk about economics, they must understand it before they talk about it.
    The statement that he read is quite true. What I said was that one cannot grow an economy if the macro-economic indicators are not good. It is different from what he is saying. And he started by saying “My Lord” so I can forgive him. I think his expertise is in law. So he better listen.
    Mr. Speaker, it is true in 1992, incidentally, if you look at records, one of the miracles performed by the PNDC was in terms of the macro-economic indicators. Look at the indicators; they were excellent and it was possible in 1992 to grow our
    2039 Insurance Bill -- 30 Nov. 2006 2nd Con. Stage
    economy, to produce more wealth and to produce more jobs. The trouble was that they blew it up such that from that level in 1992 by 2000, they had totally destroyed the economy and inflation was over forty- two per cent, interest rate was that far and the cedi was running like a mad dog. Mr. Speaker, it simply was not possible to grow the economy.
    Mr. Alex Kyeremeh 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I just want to draw my senior Colleague's attention to the fact that in 2000, commodity prices went as far as fifty to hundred per cent. Cocoa was going for 850 dollars, whereas in 2006, cocoa is going for more than 1,400 dollars. And gold, one of our major exports, went down -- [Interruptions] -- So you cannot compare apples with oranges.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    Hon. Member, once again, you are out of order. Take your seat.
    Yes, hon. Minister, continue.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the crude oil prices that we have seen this year are not like we have seen in so many years. But Mr. Speaker, the point I was making therefore, for their education, is that from the excellent indicators in 1992, by 2000, they had blown everything away and had made it impossible for this country to grow. If today we are talking about poverty and lack of jobs, it is because of the problems that were created from 1992 to 2000.
    These are the problems that we have taken so much -- [Interruptions] -- As the Senior Minister said, we needed so many years to resolve the macro-economic problems and we also needed time to solve the economic infrastructure that had been totally destroyed by the time we took over in 2000.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    Take your seats and let him continue.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:40 p.m.
    Every government that this country has had, right from Kwame Nkrumah, even starting from the colonial days, has done its best as far as road construction is concerned. Kwame Nkrumah did a lot. Under the PNDC, Mr. Speaker, they did a lot. The NDC did their best. But within the few years that we have been in power, Mr. Speaker, mile for mile, no government in this country can compare its achievement to what we have done. [interruptions.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    Hon. Members, let us have some order! [Interruptions.] -- Hon. Member, please conduct yourself well in this Chamber. That is not the way we conduct debate here. We do not shout like we are in the market.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if you take it mile by mile, no government in the history of this nation has constructed that many good roads as we have done, in spite of all that they did.
    Alhaji Muntaka Mubarak 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my senior Colleague is misleading this House. He is saying “mile for mile”, forgotting that in Ghana we no longer use miles; we use kilometres -- [Laughter.] But that aside, Mr. Speaker, he cannot say
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
    Hon. Member, please take your seat. That is not a point of order.
    Mr. Kan-Dapaah 1:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, of course, I am surprised that somebody who lives in Ghana will make this statement. Does he not know? Can he not see, when he travels around?
    Mr. J. Klutse Avedzi 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member on the floor said no government in the history of Ghana has done so well in terms of road construction. Can he prove the number of roads that they have constructed as against earlier govern- ments?
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    You are out of order, so please sit down and let him continue.
    Mr. Kan-Daapah 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am not going to keep long so if my hon. Colleagues could allow me, please. Mr. Speaker, you can say the same thing about education in terms of school buildings that we have put up. We do not think any
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    Hon.
    Member, are you also on a point of order? I hope you are not also going back to this idea of miles, and so forth.
    Mr. Pelpuo 1:50 p.m.
    No, Mr. Speaker. Mr.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    So what is your point?
    Mr. Pelpuo 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I want your guidance on this: should we allow statements made here, whether right or wrong, especially when they are not correct, to be allowed to go? [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    Hon. Member, I am in the Chair here. When an hon. Member says that this Government has done the best, do you want him to give you statistics to show that? Is that what you are asking for?
    Mr. Pelpuo 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, that is not what I am saying. Mr. Speaker, he said that from 1992 to 2000, we wrecked the economy of the country, which I think is unfair and is not true. We have not wrecked the economy and therefore he should prove it; if he cannot prove it then he should withdraw it. [Interruptions.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    Hon. Member, that is his opinion. In this Chamber, we do not ask people to prove their opinion -- as to whether they are harbouring very good opinions or bad ones. They express their opinions on this floor of the House. As to whether we agree
    with them or not, that is another matter. If we are going to insist that people should prove whatever they say in terms of opinion, then of course there would not be any debate on this floor.
    If the hon. Minister on the floor is saying that according to him or in his estimation, this Government or his has been the best in the history of this country, is this something we should quarrel over? Hon. Member, you may continue.
    Mr. Kan-Daapah 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, let me give you the final statistics. Mr. Speaker, telephones were introduced into this country in 1890 by the colonial government. Up to the year 2000, 110 years later, twenty years under the leadership of our former President, we had less than 400 thousand customers -- and the 400 was mobile and fixed lines together -- Today, after five and half years or so, we have over 4 million customers. They do not call this a miracle? [Interruptions.]
    Mr. Speaker, people spend so much time praying to see miracles, yet when they occur, they cannot even recognize them. Mr. Speaker, that is what we are talking about. Mr. Speaker, every year they say the Budget is not good; but every year, the Budget produces results. The Budget is simply meant to produce results and it has been doing that very effectively.
    Mr. Speaker, if I say there are no jobs and if there is no work today, it is because we have to spend so much time correcting the problems that we created with the macro economy. Over the past couple of years, Mr. Speaker, we have fought for a good macroeconomic environment, we have rehabilitated the economic infrastructure, and we believe that the Budget has always been good. It has given us the right direction which is
    Ms. Akua Sena Dansua (NDC -- North Dayi) 1:50 p.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for being gender sensitive now. Mr. Speaker, since the beginning of this debate, this House has been treated to figures, projections and targets as to whether we are growing or not. But I would want to say, in contributing to the debate, that it takes more than mere figures, targets and projections to grow a nation.
    Mr. Speaker, why am I saying this? I am saying this because issues such as good governance and civic responsibility which is the third pillar of Ghana's Growth and Poverty Reduction Strategy (GPRS II), are very critical to the development of this nation.
    Mr. Speaker, what do we mean by good governance? By good governance, we are talking about the inclusion of everybody, participation in decision- making, and in this case, we are asking for the involvement of everybody -- women, children, people living with HIV/AIDS, youth and any stakeholder. And so, it is necessary for Government to create the enabling environment to allow people to voice their feelings.
    Mr. Speaker, we have been witnesses
    to the rancour surrounding the passage of the Domestic Violence Bill (DVB) in this House; I am talking about the debate on the Domestic Violence Bill recently. All that this Bill seeks to do, Mr. Speaker, is to give women, men and children, the mental, physical and psychological space to operate freely and contribute to the development of this country. But Mr. Speaker, what do we see? It is like people think the Domestic Violence Bill is only meant for women and so they should do everything in their power to discourage it.
    Mr. Agyei-Addo 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, if I got her right, she is seriously misleading the House by saying that some people are working against the Domestic Violence Bill. Indeed, there is nothing like that -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    How do you know that?
    Mr. Agyei-Addo 1:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if it so, then the hon. Member on the floor should come out with facts.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
    I think the hon. Member is out of order. You may continue.
    Ms. Dansua 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, talking about good governance also entails the fight against corruption. It looks like Ghana is losing the fight against corruption because when the recent corruption index was released, Ghana dropped to a 3.3
    per cent standing. Mr. Speaker, when this report was released, government propagandists as usual went all out trying to deny the fact that corruption is worsening in Ghana.
    But it is also gratifying to note that only yesterday, His Excellency the Vice President came out to accept the fact that the present standing of Ghana, the 3.3 per cent standing of Ghana, is not good enough for the fight against corruption. Hence, he gave the assurance that the Government was going to do everything to fight against corruption.
    Mr. Speaker, the reason we should be concerned about corruption is the fact that when corruption is reduced or even minimized or eliminated altogether, we will get more resources to do development projects for the rural majority in this country; and I believe that is what the Budget is aimed at achieving.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    Hon. Member, excuse me for just a minute. Hon. Members, I am informing you that we are having an extended Sitting for today. It is getting to 2 o'clock so I am informing you.
    Ms. Dansua 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, just as
    I was saying, the mere passage of laws or the mere establishment of the Office of Accountability in the Presidency will not make the fight against corruption successful. So the Government should be seen to be taking allegations of corruption in this country seriously, no matter where it is coming from. The perception that
    people are interested in only prosecuting, or chasing people in Opposition, in the Government's fight against corruption is not the best for this country; and I think that we should all put our hands on deck and ensure that we minimize corruption.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    Hon.
    Frimpong, do you have any problem with what she is saying?
    Mr. Kofi Frimpong 2 p.m.
    Yes, Mr.
    Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all know that the corruption issue is a very serious one to the extent that during their time, people were executed. They were not tried. Acheampong, Utuka and others.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    You are
    out of order.
    Ms. Dansua 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if we adopt
    this kind of attitude in the running of this country's affairs, we will never grow. Assuming that mistakes were made in the past, it does not mean that today we should repeat those same mistakes.
    Mr. Speaker, having said that, I want to also call on Ghanaians to change their attitudes. In fact, if you go to just nearby Kenya and you see how disciplined the people are -- their population is twice as much as Ghana's population. Vehicles on the road are maybe six times what we have in Accra. I am talking specifically about Nairobi; but because people are so disciplined that they extend
    Mr. Asamoah Ofosu 2 p.m.
    On a point
    of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member has made a statement and I think it is not correct; and it would be proper that she is called to order. She said that she went to Nairobi and she was overwhelmed that you would not see people easing themselves in public and that the people of Ghana and for that matter Ghanaians should be disciplined. I am rather wondering whether in this country it is a practice that people ease themselves in public.
    Mr. Ofosu 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, is it because we ease ourselves in public in Ghana?
    Ms. Dansua 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am sure he himself -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    No! No! Do not go that far.
    Ms. Dansua 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I also want to talk about the fair distribution of resources as far as this Budget is concerned. There is actually a trend in this country that indicates that certain areas of this country and also certain categories of people in this country are being discriminated against as far as the sharing of this country's cake is concerned.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    Hon. Member, are you on a point of order? You are not happy with what she is saying?
    Mr. Oppon-Kusi 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member is making very serious allegations that need to be proved.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    About
    what?
    Mr. Oppon-Kusi 2 p.m.
    She just said that
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    She is talking about perception, so allow her to continue.
    Ms. Dansua 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, in this particular area, I want to mention the issue of the perennial Kpando water problem. Mr. Speaker, I have used this Chamber in the past and on several occasions to highlight the problems that people in Kpando District go through as far as water is concerned.
    Mr. Speaker, we are so close to the Volta Lake yet very far from water. Every year, you have several of the second-cycle schools closing down in Kpando because of lack of water. People do not have access to good potable water and the last time I raised this issue on the floor of the House, the hon. Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing, who is a very good Friend of mine, gave the indication that something was going to be done next year, but going through the Budget, Mr. Speaker, I did not see anything like that.
    Mr. A. Ofosu 2 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    What is
    wrong with what she said about Kpando?
    Mr. Ofosu 2 p.m.
    She is using Kpando as an
    example of discrimination.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    She is
    saying that it was promised last year by the hon. Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing and unfortunately, she has not found any provision for Kpando
    in the Budget. Is there anything wrong with that?
    Mr. Ofosu 2 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, last week,
    for four days running, there was no water in this House. We were promised that something would be done but today as I stand here, there is no water. Will that be discrimination against Parliamentarians?
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
    You are
    out of order.
    Ms. Dansua 2:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, before I
    take my seat, I really support the motion and want to end on the note that since we are going into a Golden Jubilee year and since this Budget is under the theme “Golden Jubilee”, since it is described as a Golden Jubilee Budget, I would want to seriously urge that Government puts up a monument that reflects the unity of this country.

    There is one monument in Abuja, near the Hilton Hotel, which is actually a fountain built in such a way that all the regions dovetail into each other, reflecting the unity of Nigeria. If for nothing at all, anybody who goes there will have the impression that Nigeria is really a united country.

    So I want to urge the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning to take some resources out of this Budget and build a very beautiful fountain somewhere in Accra reflecting the unity -- [Interruption ] -- it could be in Kpando; we have land for it -- to reflect the unity that we are all crying for in this country so that each time we set eyes on it we would know that we are part of a greater beautiful, society called Ghana. On this note I end my contribution.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
    She was
    just about to finish. Hold on, before you finish maybe there is a point of order.
    Mr. Baah-Wiredu 2:10 p.m.
    On a point of
    order. Mr. Speaker, I have not seen the document she is referring to.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
    Which document?
    Mr. Baah-Wiredu 2:10 p.m.
    The one she just
    showed. I believe that the people of Ghana are more united than several countries in this continent of Africa.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Maybe,
    what she is proposing will make us even more united.
    Deputy Minister for Manpower,
    Youth and Employment (Mrs. Akosua Frema Osei-Opare): Mr. Speaker, thank you very much for this opportunity to contribute to this very important motion.
    Mr. Speaker, the issue of poverty alleviation has been given a very special focus in the 2007 Budget. Ghana adopted the Millennium Development Goals (MDG) in 2002 and we must advance towards achieving these MDGs. Achieving the MDGs should be recognized as a very important step towards reaching the middle-income status by 2015.
    Mr. Speaker, the GPRS II recognizes that to promote growth we must address vulnerability and exclusion among our population. To this end, the Ministry of Manpower, Youth and Employment is charged with the responsibility to develop a national social protection strategy. Mr. Speaker, social protection is a broad concept, which embraces both contributory and non-contributory programme for long-term assistance to address the root causes of poverty,
    vulnerability and exclusions.
    Mr. Speaker, the 2007 Budget reinforces the continuation of a number of existing social protection measures such as child protection, capitation grant, school feeding, the National Health Insurance Scheme, micro-finance schemes for the poor, and skills training, amongst others. But I would like to draw special attention to page 162, item 730, and to a programme dubbed the Livelihood Empowerment Against Poverty (LEAP), which is an innovative complement to existing social protection measures to improve the livelihoods of the extreme poor and the vulnerable in our society.
    Mr. Speaker, the introduction of LEAP is to ensure that economic growth has a trickle-down effect and that we improve the ability of the very, very poor to contribute to economic and social development.
    LEAP, as envisaged in the Budget Statement, is a social grant programme which will target pro-gressively some specific groups of vulnerable people in our society, such as orphans and vulnerable children, the poor and aged, persons with disability who are severely incapacitated, the extremely poor, the vulnerable, particularly those subsistence farmers who are dubbed as the very poor in this country and people such as lactating mothers who have HIV/AIDS.
    Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of benefits that can be derived from LEAP, which if we look at, would improve the incomes of poor people which would lead to investing more in education, health and so on. But most importantly, we must recognize that by improving the incomes of poor people they tend to boost the local economy. Particularly, by the fact that poor people tend to buy local goods and services at

    the district level, community level, you can see that economic activities will be boosted.

    Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that LEAP also has another value, the value is that, it will enhance the impact of the current economic enhancement programme such as micro-finance. Because when poor people are given loans and they have limited capacity to address their basic needs, the tendency will be to spend a good portion of the money on meeting such needs as health, food, water and so on.

    But with these kinds of programmes such as social grants programmes -- It relieves them of those responsibilities in such a way that they can use loans that have been granted them to invest in productive ventures, thereby helping them to leap out of poverty by improving their incomes.

    Mr. Speaker, I would like also to draw attention to the fact that the 2007 Budget has given further support to the National Youth Employment Programme (NYEP), which is another pragmatic social protection measure for the youth in this country. The NYEP offers a unique opportunity for vulnerable youth to gain skills, work experience as well as establish their own enterprises. This will no doubt contribute to reducing the incidence of poverty in our country.

    The enthusiasm that this programme has generated among the youth and the population at large is a testimony to its relevance, its appropriateness and therefore the need to commend Government for its continuous financial allocations in the 2007 Budget.

    With these few words, I will urge all hon. Colleagues to support the motion to approve the Financial Policy of the Government for the fiscal year ending 31st December, 2007.

    Alhaji Seidu Amadu (NDC -- Yapei/

    Kusawgu): Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak in support of the motion to approve the Government's Financial Policy for the fiscal year ending 31st December 2007. Mr. Speaker, I intend to limit my contribution to two main areas concerning the Ministry of Transportation and Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing.

    Mr. Speaker, the main thrust of government policy in respect of provision of road transport is to provide national accessibility. In other words, every Ghanaian living everywhere is entitled to have access to road communication. Incidentally, Mr. Speaker, if one looks at our budgets over the years, road development has become skewed in this country not because the Government wants it that way but because of certain other factors that nobody can challenge.

    Mr. Speaker, if one looks at the cocoa rehabilitation project, the road component of this programme, including the road component of stabex, if you are not a cocoa-growing region, a cocoa-growing district, obviously you would not benefit from such facility.

    So one realizes that when it comes to those projects those in the cocoa-growing areas get more. And in this country only six regions produce cocoa, the other four regions, Greater Accra, Northern, Upper West and Upper East Regions are totally out of this. Even those who produce cocoa, including the all-famous Western Region -- There are certain parts of the Western Region that cocoa cannot be grown, the land is not suitable for it. In the Ashanti Region there are certain parts where cocoa is not grown -- Brong Ahafo and Eastern Region, the same thing applies too.

    So I would want to plead with the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and the relevant Ministry to ensure that when it comes to road development those that benefit from these special projects should be considered alongside those who do not benefit from this special project by way of using more resources from the Consolidated Fund to take care of them.

    Mr. Speaker, if we look at our bilateral donor partners like Department for International Development (DFID), Danish International Development Agency (DANIDA), Kreditanstalt fur Wiederaufbau (KFW), Gesellschaft fur Technische Zusammenarbeit (GTZ) and whatever, they all have their interest in this country and specifically want to invest in these areas, with Government being helpless in that regard. So the resources that we control, I want to plead that a lot more of those resources should be used to take care of those other disadvantaged districts and regions.

    Mr. Speaker, having said this, I want to get to specific issues.

    Mr. Speaker, at page 120 of the Budget Statement, paragraph 539 (iv), there is a Government programme on the provision of weighbridges. Here, we are told that Ghana Highway Authority has installed five weighbridges at the Tema Port and two weighbridges at Takoradi.

    Mr. Speaker, in the same Statement, paragraph 605, that is page 139, the Ghana Ports and Harbours Authority (GPHA) is also telling us they have also installed weighbridges at both ports, that is Tema and Takoradi. Mr. Speaker, I want to find out whether the two Ministries are talking about the same project or these are two different projects. If they are the same project, I want to say that they are complete waste of resources because they are a duplication of efforts and financial

    loss to the country.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon. Member, are you talking about 605 as against 539 (iv)?
    Perhaps you are talking about different things altogether.
    Alhaji Amadu 2:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, they are not different. We are talking about the installation of weighbridges, and weigh- bridges are meant to weigh vehicles that load and leave the ports because there is a government programme on axle load specification and if the Ghana Ports and Harbours Authority are installing weighbridges for the sake of protecting our roads, what sense does it make for the Ghana Highway to also go and construct the same weighbridges?
    So I just want to be sure whether we are talking about the same project or two different projects. If they are two different projects, why would they want to take public resources to do the same thing just as a duplication of efforts and waste of resources?
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:20 p.m.
    Hon. Member, I think you should read it carefully; two have been installed already and they say five more are to be installed. And what is the -- [Interruption.]
    Alhaji Amadu 2:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it does not matter; whether one or two or five, what I am saying is that the installation of the weighbridges is to protect our highway
    so that any vehicle leaving either of the two ports would have to be weighed before it is allowed to go. GPHA is telling us that they have done some installation on weigh-bridging and I am asking that what sense does it make for Ghana Highway Authority also to go and do the same thing. So as far as I am concerned, I think it is a complete waste of resources and I want the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to find out.
    Mr. Speaker, I also want to talk about the Metro Mass Transit (MMT). At page 125, paragraph 547/548 to paragraph 549 we are told that Ghana has made an indication that it has arranged some funding to purchase some buses for the MMT company; and we also approved some loans in this House for them. But if one looks at paragraph 549, we are told that the MMT conveyed four million school children free of charge, which is a very good thing; but that about 39 million passengers also patronized that service.
    Mr. Speaker, what I want to find out is that if the passengers who patronized the Metro Mass Transit services pay on the average ¢1,000, if that ¢1,000 is multiplied by 39 million I believe we are going to get about ¢39 trillion. And if that company is making that much, what sense does it make to get Government to purchase buses for them? What sense does it make to get so many broken-down buses in their yard? What sense does it make for the company to solicit help and support from the Government?
    So I believe that either these figures are wrong or moneys are not being paid into the Consolidated Fund. But this is a company and we are saying that in the course of the period if they carried 39 million passengers and on the average every passenger is supposed to pay ¢1,000,
    Mr. David Oppon-Kusi 2:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member has just given out some figures which I think are erroneous. He has just given some calculation -- If there are 39 million people paying a ¢1,000, that comes to ¢390 million, not ¢39 trillion; so he should check his mathematics.
    Alhaji Amadu 2:20 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I have not done any calculation, but whatever it is -- definitely it would not be a billion; it should be 39 million plus and that is a lot of money.
    Mr. Baah-Wiredu 2:30 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. Member is making a very important point which has been one of the burdens on the national Budget. After a period of forty- two days, when we all know that they cannot go through the system, and then they say interest compounded monthly -- Some of the agreements entered into -- I think we shall join hands and see what we can do to improve upon the system.
    Alhaji Amadu 2:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the other one has to do with paragraph 556, page 127, bullet point 10 on the issue of Techiman-Wenchi Road, where it has been stated that they are going to do overlay. I know that, that road is a double sealed road. So I want to find out from the authorities whether we are talking about resealing or casting an overlay. We can only do an overlay on an asphaltic concrete road. At any rate, that road was built in the 1970s during the time of the Progress Party Government, so naturally it has a lot of problems.
    If you look at the vertical or horizontal alignments, they need to be redone. If you look at the drainage structures, they are not only weak but low. So that road actually needs to be completely rehabilitated.
    Mr. Speaker, during the PNDC days,
    the PNDC Government took a loan from Africa Development Bank (ADB) and did an overlay on the Kumasi-Accra Road and in no time the road failed. It was because there was not enough money and they wanted to stretch it. So if we want to rehabilitate the Techiman-Wenchi road, which also serves part of the Northern Region and the whole of the Upper West Region, I would want to plead with the authorities that they should do proper rehabilitation. But if they say that they are going to do an overlay, for me, I think they are just going to throw money away.
    Mr. Speaker, the final thing I want to talk about is the Kwame Nkrumah Circle interchange design review. That is on page 129, paragraph 563. How can we say that we are going to use the whole year just to review a design? In the early 1990s, there was a design for the Kwame Nkrumah Circle. We had an amount of £12.5 million from ODA (now DFID), that is, Overseas Development Adminis-tration of Britain to construct an interchange at Circle but it was stopped and out of it we had four other bridges. They are at Zabzugu-Tatale.
    These are on River Oti, Damonko, serving the link between Northern and Volta Regions; Kiccherbe on the tributary of the Oti, that is between Dambai and Nkwanta; and the last one which was done at Asemkrom on the Elubo- Asemkrom road on River Tano in the Western Region. Out of the £12.5 million we had these bridges and so that project was shelved. So if they are going to review the project, why take the whole year to do that?
    Again, if you even go back into the Budget, at page 126, which talks about a new technical specification for roads and bridge works, it means that Ghana has already put a technical committee together to look at these designs. So I believe that the Government should be moving to the construction stage of that project. At that time the PNDC Government thought that we could incorporate the interchange at Circle with the Circle-Achimota Road. Fortunately, the road is being fixed now, so we should now be looking at the construction phase of the project.
    Mr. Speaker, there are about five other
    interchanges in this country -- the one at Circle, that is, the Kwame Nkrumah Circle, the one at Obetsebi Circle, the one at 37 Military Hospital, Kawokudi, Dimples; Ako Adjei, Kanda, and Tetteh Quarshie have been done, including the
    Alhaji Amadu 2:30 p.m.


    one they are doing in Kumasi. There are about nine of them; we had done the designs for these things and we are happy that things are happening now.

    Finally, Mr. Speaker, last year there was a provision under Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing to fix the Sogakope/Lome Water Project, but unfortunately, this year the project has not been captured. It is such an important project because it is a project that is likely to bring in foreign earnings to our country, and I therefore urge the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to get money to do these water projects.

    Unfortunately, if you look at the section under Water Resources, Works and Housing, such a laudable project has not been captured. If it is an omission, I want to plead with the relevant authorities to make sure that it is inserted. Or if the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning has not made any provision, they should consider providing for that thing because initially Lome was thinking of only taking raw water but I think now they want us to give them treated water, and there will be a lot of money if we are able to do that project.

    With this, Mr. Speaker, I thank you very much and I support the motion.
    Minister for Public Sector Reforms (Dr. Paa Kwesi Nduom) 2:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the motion on the floor which is to do with the Budget Statement and the Economic Policy for 2007 financial year as presented by the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning.
    Mr. Speaker, it is important, first of all, to indicate that the projection for results of 2006 are quire remarkable for the
    consistency to the Budget that was actually presented in 2005 by the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning and also the stability that is shown in the economic results, particularly in the face of external shocks on the energy front.
    Mr. Speaker, on the resilience that the economy has shown this year, I would like to commend the effort of my hon. Colleague, Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, his deputies and also the technical people, particularly those in the Civil Service for the good economic management work that they have done during the course of the year.
    Of course, we all wish that from time to time they will be a bit quicker with the money. The Deputy Minister is sitting behind me chuckling and from time to time he should open his arms and let it be more and we will be a bit happier for it.
    But Mr. Speaker, the 2007 Budget read by the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning is one that is good for the times that we are in, because it seeks to solve some specific problems that we are faced with, particularly the one to do with energy and also the one to do with pay reforms.
    With regard to energy, Mr. Speaker, the investments proposed for the four hundred and seventy million dollars proposed for the next three years are appropriate because as energy goes, so goes the economy in most countries. We are all aware of the significance of the Middle East, not because necessarily the people are more lovable than others but because of the oil production capacities and the reserves that they have. And maybe, without the energy crisis that we faced this year, we might even be looking at a higher GDP growth than the 6.2 per cent projected.
    Mr. Speaker, I really do want to focus my contribution on a matter to do with the public sector. With regard to the public sector, it is imperative that we consider the Government's policies on reform in a very serious but objective and non- partisan manner.

    Here I want to take a lead from a very senior Colleague in the House. The hon. J. H. Mensah had spoken much earlier today, about leading Parliament to provide non- partisan forum to solve certain critical and important matters of national interest and I wish to suggest that the reform should be one of those matters that need that non- partisan and objective approach. Because as the President put it in the Foreword in the Budget, and I wish to quote:

    Government has , therefore , decided to use this Budget to begin the implementation of a new comprehensive public sector pay reform that emphasises equal pay for work of equal worth. The broad objective is to aim for wage increases in line with productivity gains, cost effectiveness and efficiency.”

    Mr. Speaker, I wish to support the call that I was making for a non-partisan approach, with evidence of what has gone on in the past, to show that this matter has been with us for a very long time. At various points in time we had attempted to solve them and I wish to give you a series of quotations from the past.

    Mr. Speaker, in 1982, part of the Budget

    Statement that was read in Parliament by the then Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, talks about an on- going study to address the need for an unambiguous policy on incomes and taxation of salary and allowances from primary employment and other sources; and a number of other measures were indicated. And so even as far back as 1982 a study, comprehensive one at that, was

    commissioned and an effort was made to deal with the matter of public sector pay.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    Yes, hon.
    Member for Bawku Central, it has been a long time; you have been away for a long time it means we have already forgotten about you.
    Mr. Ayariga 2:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if the hon.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    Hon. Member, it is not question time so please take your seat.
    Dr. Nduom 2:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if the hon. “Campaign Manager” will be a bit more patient I will get to the point -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. Ayariga 2:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, there is nobody in this House called hon. Campaign Manager. Mr. Speaker, he should learn how to address me properly in this House.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    I agree with you.
    Dr. Nduom 2:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, as I said much earlier, if the hon. Member of Parliament who has been working as a campaign manager will just be patient, will get to the same place.
    Mr. Speaker, I was just fast-forwarding, but I will just give a few points as we move along. As I mentioned, in 1986 the Budget attempted to deal with the matter and 1987, and in 1988 they also dealt with the same matter; so did it happen in 1989 until -- perhaps, let me get to 1995. And
    it was in 1995 where the Budget noted with concern, and with your permission, I quote: “The-post consolidation salary deferential within the public service was widening”; and caution that if the situation continued the country could not achieve the stabilisation of the macroeconomic environment.
    Mr. Speaker, I wish to draw the attention of the House to how similar this statement is to what was also made on this floor just a few days ago by the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning; about the need to deal with this situation. So what I am saying is that this problem has been with us and we need to take our time and deal with it in a non- partisan manner. But I wish to go a step further to 1996.
    In 1996 the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning then also said in this very House, and with your permission I quote:
    “The distortion in the structure and the remuneration in the public sector continues to create discontent. Ever so often circumstances have compelled us to resolve demands for improved remuneration in the manner that has also tended to worsen the situation. Thus we seem to be caught in a vicious cycle where an attempt to resolve one particular problem ends up worsening the distortions.”
    Mr. Edward Salia 2:40 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, my hon. Colleague is misleading this House by dwelling at
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    Hon. Salia, I believe you have already contributed, if you want me to give you another opportunity for more contribution I will allow that. That is no point of order.
    Mr. Salia 2:40 p.m.
    You have not given me the opportunity yet, that is why I am drawing your attention to this.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    I have not given you the opportunity yet?
    Mr. Salia 2:40 p.m.
    No.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    Then hold your forces; I will definitely give you the opportunity.
    Dr. Nduom 2:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it is important that we place all of these matters in the proper context. Indeed, you cannot get to Jirapa without going through a number of other towns. So it is important that we focus on the journey; the journey is very important.
    Mr. Speaker, let us get to 1997. In 1997, the same Minister for Finance and Economic Planning here on the floor of this House said, and with your permission I quote:
    “The ongoing discussions of the PriceWater House Initiative would lead to the eliminations of the distortion and disparities that have plagued salary administration over the years”.
    That was the promise, back in 1997;
    that it would eliminate distortions and disparities that have plagued salary administration over the years; that was the promise back then. And what is the situation today? Distortions, wrongful placements and all of that; but Mr. Speaker, this is not to argue the point.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    Hon. Ayariga, what is your problem?
    Mr. Ayariga 2:40 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is grossly misleading this House. Mr. Speaker, he seeks to create the impression that an unfulfilled promise then is causing the distortions now, when he knows that the distortions are being caused by what they did with the salaries of the Health Service Workers. Mr. Speaker, he is misleading this House.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
    Leave him to say what he knows.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, fortunately I have documents and I have some facts here and I will proceed to actually play back the facts as discussed on this floor of the House by the then Minister for Finance and Economic Planning because I am about to give him actually the answers to some of his own questions; because the hon. Member for Jirapa keeps saying that “we have solved the problem; we have solved the problem”.
    In 1999, Mr. Speaker, the then Minister for Finance and Economic Planning in presenting the Budget said -- I quote once again.
    “ T h e i m p l e m e n t a t i o n o f Government's medium to long- term public sector salaries and
    wages policy, the one based on the PriceWater House Report has been delayed several times in the past and was mainly due to the estimation of the technical work involved.”
    Then it goes on to say:
    “. . . implementation will start as soon as the negotiations between the Central Management Board and the stakeholders involved are completed”.
    Then it also said that the appointment of the Central Management Board (CMB) and the completion of the offloading exercise; they were then in a better position to conclude successful negotia- tions, and that provision had been made in the Budget for the implementation of the new policy.

    Now, what happened? Mr. Speaker, I have said on a number of occasions that the Ghana Universal Salary Scheme that was designed by PriceWater House and Associates was a good scheme, it was a good piece of technical work with very good intentions behind it. No question; I have gone through it all and I can testify to that fact. But Mr. Speaker, certain things were missed that have brought us back to where we are today.

    Number one, Mr. Speaker, we did not bring the bodies that were supposed to enforce and implement the Ghana Universal Salary Structure (GUSS) into being, by force of law. So many agencies immediately after the implementation began went off to do the wrong things, did their own negotiations, did whatever it was that they wanted and began almost immediately to undermine the same scheme that Government back then had spent a considerable amount of money to

    have experts, international experts, put in place. That is the number one issue.

    Number two: Mr. Speaker, the

    implementation of this called not just for a body such as the Central Management Board (CMB) but it also called for a Secretariat, properly empowered with technical people and financial resources, to continue, every year after, to update the job evaluations and the work that was so painstakingly done at great cost by PriceWater House and Associates. And so it is only just at that one time that job evaluations were done, that was it.
    Mr. A. K. Agbesi 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I
    rise on a point of relevance. Mr. Speaker, we have this Budget before us. The hon. Member who is on floor is taking us back on issues that are not particularly relevant to the discussion of this Budget. I want to plead with him. Mr. Speaker, look at the time and look at the number of people in the Chamber. He should be relevant so that we can move forward.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
    Well, I am giving him two more minutes maybe to wind up.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I need more than two more minutes because when you look at this Budget - [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
    Hon. Minister, I will give you two more minutes.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I will sum-up.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
    Then sum
    up within two minutes.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if you read
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
    Hon.
    Minister, you are spending part of the two minutes that I have allotted to you.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
    Mr. Mahama Ayariga 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker,
    the hon. Minister, since he began has attempted to mislead this House and has been misleading this House on a particular
    issue. He has been creating the impression that there is some partisan effort to stifle efforts at pay reforms in this country.
    Mr. Speaker, that is misleading. There is no partisan effort to stifle pay reforms in this country. Indeed, in his own submissions he did recount and accurately that up to 1999, the process had been put in place; the structures put in place; and he pointed to two omissions. He talked about the enforcement bodies not being existent with the force of law or by the force of law, and the absence of a secretariat.
    If these were the only two obstacles to have a systematic pay reform structure put in place, he took six years and he did not deal with that; and when they are now having a big problem with the salaries of workers then he starts creating the impression that there is some partisan effort at work to make it impossible for us to have pay reform in this country. Mr. Speaker, that is very misleading.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, at least you
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
    I will
    grant you that.
    Dr. Nduom 2:50 p.m.
    Yes, Mr. Speaker. The
    hon. Member has been on the campaign trail and so he has not been paying attention to all the discussions that have been going on -- [Laughter] -- and it is important, Mr. Speaker, that we bring things [Interruption] - because what he was indeed attempting to do was actually to move this discussion in a partisan manner -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. Moses Asaga 2:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
    You are
    rather out of order.
    Dr. Nduom 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I thought that he would have rather referred that matter to his Colleague sitting next to him, that we are not in 2008 so how come that he has been on the campaign trail?
    Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is that, yes, in 1999, a good attempt was made, and I have been saying it over and over again. But you see, we still would have needed in this country the opportunity to sit and all of us agree that this is the way forward, because if we do not agree, all of us, we will come back to the same point over and over again because good wages must go with good productivity. To be able to do it, you cannot have one hand saying one thing and the other hand saying another. You need to be able to also deal with the matter of reforms.
    In the past, Government also went through retrenchment and a lot of workers were retrenched, but where are we today? Anytime you attempt any of these efforts, somebody comes in with a discordant voice and so you go backwards and you end up in the same situation.

    All I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is that the Budget is in the right direction, as far as reforms are concerned, but in order for us to implement the reforms appropriately, we need the force of all of us to work in concert so that firstly, the proposals that have been brought are backed by the force of law; then everybody would abide by what is implemented. Secondly, the secretariat that needs to be put in place needs financial resources, and it would still take this House to agree on the financial resources to be applied to the secretariat

    so that the right things can be done.

    Indeed, all that we are looking for is that we have a public sector properly streamlined to back up all of our efforts, because none of us can get anything done in this country without a properly streamlined, well resourced and hopefully, a well-paid public sector.

    With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to add my voice in support of the Budget read by the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning.
    Mr. E. K. Salia -- (NDC -- Jirapa) 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion, yes, that this House approves the Government's Financial Policy for the year 2007 as ably presented by the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Kwadwo Baah-Wiredu.
    Mr. Speaker, even though I agree that
    we should approve this policy, I have a lot of issues to raise on three general areas -- first, works and housing; second, roads and transport and finally, the issue of institution building.
    Mr. Speaker, it has been said that when governments face intractable problems, they have a tendency to create new institutions so that they can postpone a solution to those problems; and no government has been more adept at doing this than the current Government. Every time there is a new programme, a new good thing that is about to come, existing institutions that could perform those functions are side-stepped and new institutions created to tackle those single- issue programmes.
    I think that what this does is to discourage the existing institutions that were originally set up for most of these things, and they create a new service or a new institution which is an addition to
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
    Hon. Deputy Minister, do you have a point of order?
    Mrs. Osei-Opare 3 p.m.
    Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to inform the hon. Member that this is precisely what the National Youth Employment Programme does. The National Health Insurance Scheme is supporting the community auxiliary health assistance, and all the training and management is by the Ghana Health Service. The education is by Ghana Education Service (GES) at district level. We are facilitators and if you look
    critically at the district level, so far, you have only one single employee who is a co-ordinator.
    Mr. Salia 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the facts are that there is a whole secretariat for the National Youth Employment Programme and the recruitment of the teachers is usually done by a district coordinator and not the district education office. [Interruption.] What I am arguing is that there are administrative costs in setting up these institutions -- [Interruption]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
    I think you better stick to that, do not go into details which would generate controversy.
    Mr. Salia 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I would like to urge that the Public Sector Ministry should reconsider the existing institutions, the organizations that are there in this country. If there are weaknesses in their administrative procedures, the duty of the Public Sector Reforms Minister is to ensure that those institutions, those departments perform better than they are doing. It does not help this country to side- step organizations that have long existed and have been struggling with problems of capacity in terms of financial resources. Now that funds are available, they are being side-stepped and new institutions are created with new service conditions for the new employees, instead of the existing ones doing what they were originally set up to do.
    Dr. Nduom 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member for Jirapa (Mr. Salia) is certainly misleading this House. I do not know whom he is talking about being side- stepped. I do not know whom he is talking about that is being pushed aside for something new to come. I simply do not know what he is talking about because we have not put a proposal together that side-stepped somebody. If he would come out with some specifics, perhaps, I would
    be able to inform him better.
    Mr. A. S. K. Bagbin 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, she herself the Deputy Minister for Manpower, Youth and Employment, Mrs. Osei-Opare has mentioned a district co-ordinator that is being appointed -- [Interruption] -- wait; public sector includes all those sectors. Education -- health is part of public sector. Even in my district, the Director of the Education Service there was asked to submit vacancies of teachers in the district. This was submitted but the director was not part of the interview panel.
    It was this appointee plus the newly elected presiding member, a member of the NPP, that formed the interview panel, and after they employed the people, a letter was written to the District Director that they should pay them seven hundred thousand cedis a month; that is the youth employment. It was partisanly done, so we are talking about what is happening on the ground. If you have any kind of framework in the Ministry, that is not what is being implemented; and I have reported to your Minister. You can ask him.
    Mrs. Osei-Opare 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, just for clarity. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member has just clearly stated that the District Education Director was involved. The district education officers are involved. If your district education officer submits vacancies, then they are involved. If the district education officer monitors -- [Interruption] -- they are involved.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
    You have made your point, hon. Osei-Opare. Let us continue.
    Mr. Salia 3 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the examples are numerous. In the school feeding programme -- [Interruption.]
    Mrs. Baiden-Amissah 3:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, if you could please allow me to give additional information. It is true that there is a district coordinator on youth employment. But the list is submitted to the District Assembly to which the District Director of Education is directly responsible.
    In fact, they are supposed to give the vacancies and it is through the vacancies that we are able to take the number required for the districts, and when it came to training, the training was done by the Teacher Education Division of the Ghana Education Service (GES). So to say that GES has been sidelined, please no, I do not buy it.
    Mr. Salia 3:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am sorry but the truth is that a lot of parallel institutions are being created when capacities exist to carry out various government policies that sometimes I would support are good programmes.

    Mr. Speaker, this is my concern and I would like to suggest that the Government -- I believe that if there is a bit of criticism coming on about the Fair Wages Commission, it must be because there are already other institutions that if they were empowered or enabled could perform that
    Dr. Nduom 3:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. The hon. Member should not continue on the line of misleading. The fact of the matter is that we are precisely trying to consolidate and make the system more effective. At present, the responsibilities about wages and salaries are scattered. If you go to Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, some of it is being done; at the Ministry of Manpower, Youth and Employment, some of it is done; at my Ministry, some of it is done; at the Public Services Commission, some of it is done there; and other parts are done in some one or two other places.
    What we are looking forward to do is to take from different places, give to one body, empower them by law, empower them with resources and let them do the work more efficiently. That is streng- thening; it is not weakening. So the hon. Member should not mislead this House.
    Mr. Salia 3:10 p.m.
    Obviously, I am not misleading this House; I am just suggesting that there are existing institutions such as the Prices and Incomes Board, which still exists in the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning as the Incomes Policy Division. The Public Services Commission as he has mentioned is there, the Central Management Board is there and all these are existing institutions that can perform this work -- [Interruption.]
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:10 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I am an employee of the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and we do not have a division called Prices and Incomes Board in
    the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning. Somebody may be calling himself an employee of the Prices and Incomes Division but the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning does not have a division called Prices and Incomes Board, so it cannot exist.
    Mr. Salia 3:10 p.m.
    It might be so currently, but I can testify to the fact that one Mr. Tweneboah used to be the head of the Prices and Incomes Board that was transformed several years ago, and it became part and parcel of the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning as the Incomes Policy Unit.
    Mr. Speaker, I am also talking about the Public Services Commission, beyond which there was the Central Management Board when the Ghana Universal Salary Structure was being implemented. I will admit that if there was no legislation, it is useful now to legislate. But I doubt whether it is necessary to create a new body altogether and I do not know whether it is the name of “fair wages” that is attractive to those who want to institute such a body.
    Beyond that, it must be borne in mind that whatever this Fair Wages Commission is coming to do, it cannot manage private sector wages and salaries so it must be limited only to the Public Services. The current problem of Ghana is not the lack of a policy, it is just that it has been undermined over the years, more so in the recent past and which has led to a distortion in the salary structure and the change of the relativities. That is what is making everybody clamour for an improvement.
    What is important is that the Government of Ghana indeed does not have the resources to meet the wages and income packages for everybody. If we had
    the money, the distorted relativities could be restored without any problem. After all, the job contents were evaluated and what now needs to be done is to upgrade them. And I do not believe that this is too much for the existing bodies to do.
    More importantly, what is the point in maintaining an in-house organization when a consultancy could do it for all of us to benefit from? This is exactly what was done in the first instance. It was not a body within the government sector that did it. After all, it was a consultancy that provided this basis so if it is a matter of updating, this can be updated by the bodies present now, and it does not need an entirely new body.
    Let me move on to the next stage. I am arguing that there has been some stability in our economy and we must all be happy about it. But what we must stop doing, as my younger Brother said the other day, is continuing to knock our chests as if the situation is so perfect. We must realize that the changes that have occurred in the Ghanaian economy have been externally driven. Within the internal system itself, most of the sectors have not been performing very well. I will say that Ghana has been relatively lucky in the last several years such that the global environment has changed.
    Today, somebody was knocking his chest about the availability of some four million telephone lines. In the past, there were no mobile telephones; the technology did not exist. With the changes in technology, there is an opportunity for any country to leap-frog its development process.
    We have been lucky that after years of campaigning, the world has taken note of the indebtedness of Third World countries
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:10 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, my good Friend and senior Colleague was trying to give the impression that the HIPC relief we got was out of the generosity of our development partners. Mr. Speaker, if this Government had not worked hard to achieve the economic gains, we could not have gotten the relief automatically. It is not an automatic qualification -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:10 p.m.
    Hon. Deputy Minister, you are out of order.
    Mr. Salia 3:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my hon. younger Brother would admit that even if we wanted to go HIPC in 1998, the opportunities that existed in 2001 did not exist. So it was as a result of the change in the global environment and -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:10 p.m.
    I have ruled him out of order, please could you -- you have less than a minute to wind up.
    Mr. Salia 3:20 p.m.
    My point is that the Ghanaian economy has done well but it must be recognized that it did do as well as it did, not only because of internal factors; and even though some of the policies were good, the successes could not have been recorded if the external environment had not changed in our favour.
    Mr. Speaker, the next point I want to
    make is in respect of housing. I believe that the civic responsibility of every family is to provide shelter to the family and in most situations, the Government is the most inefficient provider of most of these utilities.

    I therefore think that the over-reliance on the Government to provide several housing units is misplaced. There is the need for us to take a broader look at the sector that delivers housing more efficiently and on a larger scale; and this is the private sector. These are the individual families -- if you look at the delivery of housing, about ninety-five per cent is provided by the private sector or private individuals.

    I think the Government should refocus its efforts on the development of cheaper material and there should be other opportunities given to individuals who want to build their own houses. This mortgage thing is a good thing but it is not enough. It is only those who are in the elite who have access to mortgage loans. Self-employed people and a lot of farmers and rural folks can never access mortgage loans.

    Even though it is a good thing, I believe that there should be greater opportunities for individuals who are the main builders or providers of housing. If the tax system is improved and the customs and excise duties on building materials are reduced and new building materials, better ones are introduced, then the cost of providing housing would be so much reduced that we can afford to increase the supply of houses in our country.

    Mr. Speaker, an area that I think this Budget should have tackled more seriously that it did not tackle is Ghana's aviation policy. Mr. Speaker, years ago, we were the toast of the world as far as the aviation sector was concerned. In aviation regulation, everybody took note of Ghana's regulatory environment and we were the proud recipients of a lot of African countries coming to understudy our system. Unfortunately, last year, we were down-graded from a category one country to a category two country.

    What that means is that Ghana has not been complying with International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) standards and as a result of this, Ghanaian registered aircraft cannot now fly directly to many countries including the USA, without transiting ICAO compliant country such as Senegal. I believe this is a major disgrace to Ghana and there is the need for us to take a second look at our aviation policy so that we can improve upon the aviation section. Particularly in this era that the sub-region is taunted as a very unsafe aviation area because of the frequent accidents in Nigeria, if we do not do a lot more to improve our aviation oversight, I am sure our interest in tourism, our interest in expanding the airline business in Ghana will come to nought.

    Mr. Speaker, another thing I need to

    draw attention to is the predicament of Ghana Airways. It does not exist. I would say that, the previous government even though there were difficulties, kept Ghana Airways afloat. It was flying until a couple of years when it was liquidated. With the liquidation, I believe that up to today, nobody has come to this House to tell us why it was necessary to liquidate Ghana Airways; yet now we are being faced with even paying for the workers. I remember that only last week a loan was brought to this House in order to get money to pay Ghana Airways workers.

    I believe that we need some explanation as to what were the true reasons for the liquidation. This is because since the liquidation of Ghana Airways a lot of money, at least twenty-seven million dollars, has been invested in a new Ghana International Airlines, which to all intents and purposes does not demonstrate any ability to make a return on the investment that the Ghana Government has made. The partners that were chosen, it is now clear that they had no capacity and they had contributed pretty little to the coffers of Ghana International Airlines.

    I think that the Government of Ghana should take a closer look at this problem. Ghana International Airlines will not return a dividend to the Government of Ghana in the next fifteen to twenty years. It is clear that they cannot make profit; they will not do any better than the Ghana Airways that was killed by this Government. I think that if the Ghana Government does not want to be in the aviation business, then it should just withdraw from Ghana International Airlines completely and let the private sector take over aviation in our country as far as the airline is concernd.

    There is no need, absolutely no need for the Government of Ghana to invest in Ghana International Airlines, because it has no potential to make profit; and I am sure it will soon be a disgrace and a blot on the Ghanaian Government's image. I think there is the need to reconsider that.

    Mr. Speaker, finally, in respect of road

    transport, I believe that we were all very satisfied when the President came out in 2002 to state that every region, at least, will have one trunk road developed over the years. I am sorry to say that that policy has been frustrated. In the Upper West Region, there is not a single highway that is being consistently developed and in the Upper East Region, there is similarly none.

    Probably, there are one or two other regions that I have not taken a look at, but
    Mr. Salia 3:30 p.m.


    I believe that that policy of developing a trunk road everywhere was a good one and there is no justifiable reason why this should not be continued, considering that it was His Excellency's own programme.

    I think that this Budget should review this particular policy and ensure that every region, at least, has an ongoing trunk road of some reasonable distance.

    In procurement, I believe that the short stretches of road that are awarded annually are a drain on the resources of this country. Road construction is a major endeavour, it is a very expensive exercise, and the quality of roads that we see these days is something we should all criticize because it is not money being well spent. Beyond that, when you award only five kilometres or ten kilometres of road, 3.2 is rather too expensive a cost on overheads. It is better to gain procurement advantages to award longer stretches of roads so that efficient contractors would be more encouraged to procure equipment that would be used for the works. When the contract is so small, you cannot buy any equipment and the unit cost of doing a road is higher because you repeat the overheads every time you award the contract; and that is not an efficient way of doing it.

    I think that the transport sector is a very important part of the Ghanaian economy. Let me say that the effort being made to increase the quality of roads is commendable. But I believe that there is over-taxation in the transportation sector and this is going to affect our international competitiveness. As you move goods to the hinterland, to our ports, the relative cost of transportation in Ghana is much more than in other competitive areas.

    Let me add that the plan to register vehicles every year, for me, is a strange phenomenon. The road sector already provides a lot of revenue through the taxes on fuel and the half-yearly road user fees that are charged. The argument

    about statistics that have been used in the Budget is not justifiable. Under the current registration, every piece of information can be picked from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority (DVLA).

    If it is only because of revenue generation, the Government should say so; it is not because of statistical information, because even vehicles that are not on the road are known. And if you want to reregister vehicles every year, I dare say that, the DVLA does not have the capacity and the resources to do so.

    The general public suffers a lot when new policies are introduced such as new licences. To add the re-registration of vehicles every year to the current stress vehicle owners and drivers go through in getting driver's licences, is unnecessary and I believe that it will not benefit this economy in any way. This is because all the money we want from the transport sector, we are already getting through road user fees, through the taxes on fuel and also through the renewal of road- worthiness certificates.

    So there is no need, absolutely none, to add another punishment to the loyal Ghanaian transport owners and drivers by making them re-register their vehicles every year. I have not seen anywhere yet, even though they talk about that -- [Interruptions] -- They do not give new numbers every year; that is not the truth. So I think that we should reconsider that.

    Finally, on this issue of Metro Mass Transit: The Metro Mass Transit (MMT) is a useful exercise that is being undertaken by the Government. It is true to say that the Government of Ghana has made a choice that it would consider the Metro Mass Transit, the urban mass transit as a

    social service. To the extent that it is only a social service, it does not mean that if it cannot make profit, we cannot account for the performance of the Metro Mass Transit, a company that has been formed.

    It is misleading to tell Ghanaians that MMT is a private undertaking. It is not, it is public sector institution because at least 75 per cent of the shareholders of MMT are from the public sector. They can form a private company but the ownership is public. Therefore, we must know how well that organization is performing by they telling us how much money the Government of Ghana has invested in it, and what their internally-generated funds are. The truth is that by implementing the policy of free ride for school children, there would be lack of accountability in the collection into the till box, because there is very little monitoring of the free ride, and anytime there is a loss in revenue, it would be attributed to the fact that several school children have been riding freely on that bus.

    I am assuring hon. Members that a lot of the money from the Metro Mass Transit does not end up in the coffers of the company and there is the need to take a second look at it.

    With this contribution, I beg to support this motion.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    Hon.
    Member, are you raising a point of order or you want to contribute?
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I would like to contribute.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    Fair enough; I will give you three minutes.
    Deputy Minister for Finance and
    Economic Planning (Dr. Anthony Akoto Osei): Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, I am the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning. I have privileges just like my Ranking Members and the Leadership do. I would not spend ten minutes.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    No, I will
    not allow you to spend ten minutes. I will give you five minutes.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I thank you for allowing me to contribute to the debate that this House approves the Government's Financial Policy for the fiscal year ending 31st December, 2007.
    Mr. Speaker, in a few minutes, the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning will be winding up the debate. But before he does that, I would want to remind hon. Members of this House and the general public that sometimes, we forget where we have come from. Mr. Speaker, everyday when I wake up, I have a simple prayer and I would like to share this with this House. And it goes this way:
    Mr. J. Y. Chireh 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member on floor is a plagiarist. He should properly acknowledge the real quotation that he has given. It is not from his prayer; it is not for him. [Interruptions.]
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, obviously, my hon. good Friend goes to church, so I accept his rendition; but I think he has gotten my meaning. Mr. Speaker, the reason why I brought this quotation is to remind ourselves that this is a Government that has the courage to change the things it can, the wisdom to know the difference
    and has the serenity to understand.
    Mr. Speaker, when this Government came into office in 2001, it took a very bold and significant decision. What was that? It opted to be part of the HIPC initiative. Mr. Speaker, that is why I was reminding my hon. good Friend. Opting to become HIPC does not automatically give you the benefit. There is a big condition; it requires that you manage your economy for a period of two to three years, or whenever you finish, before you could avail yourself of the relief that would be forthcoming. What does that mean? It means that if you have met an economy where inflation is 41per cent, you need to manage it so that it can come down. If your exchange rate is swimming, not smoothly but rather widely, you need to bring it down to reasonable levels.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    Hon. Member, I have not asked you to stop.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, he is my hon. senior Brother so I always allow him.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr. Moses Asaga 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I think that joining HIPC was a decision that any poor country like Ghana could make. It is whether you could reach completion point that becomes the problem. So we should not make it look like -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    Hon. Asaga, you are out of order.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, my hon.
    Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, ever since the Government decided to join the HIPC club, this Government has been scandalized. It is informative that my hon. Colleague, hon. Moses Asaga, is saying today that any poor country like Ghana could join the HIPC. It is instructive to learn that today.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, we should keep this in mind that it was not only to the benefit of this Government; it was beneficial to all the good people of Ghana and all of them made sacrifices through the economic programme that we had to go through. Mr. Speaker, I am not attributing the success to only this Government. I believe without the efficient management of the economy, we could not have gotten there; but the efficiency of management also depended on sacrifices from the people of Ghana.
    Mr. Speaker, so I would like to thank all my hon. Colleagues here and the people of Ghana for helping us get there. But having got there, soon thereafter we are in 2006, and we are also receiving the benefits of what is now called the multi- lateral debt relief. Mr. Speaker, what does that mean? It means that having successfully negotiated the poor country part of the Highly Indebted Poor Country,
    Mr. Asaga 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I thought I heard the hon. Member on the floor say that we are still a poor country.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    That is what he said. Is that a point of order?
    Mr. Asaga 3:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I wanted him to re-echo it.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
    Take your seat, hon. Member.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I hope hon. Asaga is not saying this country is a member of middle-income or high-income countries. All of us know, and in fact this is why we are here debating this Budget. We are moving towards becoming a middle-income country.
    Mr. Speaker, if you look at the theme of this Budget, it is “Growth with Stability”. Mr. Speaker, why did we choose that theme? We want to assure Ghanaians that the challenges ahead are bigger than what we have gone through. It is not too difficult for those of us who help manage the economy to, as it were, get the macro- economy right; but having gotten the macro-economy right, sustaining it is more difficult. And this is why hon. J. H. Mensah reminded us that we have moved from GPRS I to GPRS II, with emphasis on growth acceleration.

    Mr. Speaker, that is a very difficult task and this is why I went back to my prayer that I said. Mr. Speaker, we need now to assure ourselves that having gotten the

    stability, it is always fragile and we need the efforts of everybody. Mr. Speaker, what I am suggesting is that charges ahead are going to require the tireless effort of all of us not to grow to maintain the 6.5, but how do we get to the 8.5? Mr. Speaker, we need resources -- that was added to the Budget for 2007.

    The essence of development is not to get the inflation rate at 8 per cent or 5 per cent; the essence of development, Mr. Speaker, is to assure ourselves that if we are earning $600 per capita then we move to $1,000 and $2,000 and that is going to take a lot of investment. Mr. Speaker, when the hon. Minister was reading the Budget he emphasized one thing, that most people do not understand the implications. For quite a long time we have disciplined ourselves by not having access to large chunks of external capital.

    Mr. Speaker, I want to repeat; we have disciplined ourselves not to borrow commercially so as to be able to manage our economy. We have gotten to the point that now we do not have any choice; we will have to look for big chunks of money to build the railways from Accra to Burkina Faso. Mr. Speaker, we need money to assure ourselves that the Accra- Kumasi road is realized. Mr. Speaker, it is not that the “dualization” will make driving more efficient; it saves a lot of lives and enhances productivity.

    Mr. Speaker, I just want to suggest that the nation has come to a critical

    stage and the opportunity we have now cannot be missed. Mr. Speaker, those of us who are relatively young, particularly in this Parliament have the opportunity to help this nation move to the next step. Mr. Speaker, earnestly I do not believe this nation has had such an opportunity in our political history ever, irrespective of which Government had come into power. But this is not only because of the NPP Government; it is because all of us, particularly this Parliament have this opportunity. And I hope that Members in approving the policy will keep that in mind. Posterity will not judge us as very good if we miss this opportunity.

    Mr. Speaker, so as we move to approve the Financial Policy, I want to thank every Member of this House who has contributed to this debate. Mr. Speaker, as hon. J. H. Mensah said, after this approval we have to move to the next stage of having an opportunity to understand and debate the policies that underline what we are doing.

    Mr. Speaker, I do not know of too many Members of Parliament who have taken time to ask us what the framework of the current economic programme that we are looking at is. We know; but nobody has challenged us on it. It would be useful for us to get into a debate not about numbers but about substantive policy.

    Mr. Speaker, we have said that the framework is trying to reduce the GDP debt ratio. Nobody has asked: “so what are the implications”? We just come and say give the Ministry of Health this billions of cedis; that is not what this country is about. I want to echo my uncle and I hope that after we have approved of this we will sit back, look at the contents of the GPRS II, see what it says there, take out what is not good, promote what is good and ensure that five to ten years from now we would be the middle income country that we wish to be.

    Mr. Speaker, with those few words, I thank you for allowing me to contribute
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:40 p.m.
    On a point of order. He
    said this House for the last two years has always approved -- Mr. Speaker, that is incorrect; this House has never approved that. Yes, I want to remind him to go and read the Hansard. This House has always recommended -- It never approved the increase from 5 to 7 per cent. So for a senior Member to say that this House has approved it, I am rather surprised. We debated it, we argued about it; but we never, never approved it. So please, he should not mislead this House.
    Mr. Chireh 3:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, in this House
    anytime we are approving the Formula for the Distribution of the Common Fund, we have always approved recommendation that this 5 per cent be adjusted upward. And as far as I am concerned this year this House said it should be 7.5 per cent.
    But I also remember that the National Association of Local Government Administration (NALAG) and some other groups met with the President, H.E. John Agyekum Kufuor in the Castle. They were led by the then newly appointed Minister for Local Government, Rural Development and Environment and the idea was that it should go to 10 per cent. In fact, I was very disappointed when I did not see the increase in the Budget.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:40 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr. Speaker, he said because we did not approve the increase from 5 per cent to 7.5 per cent more money has not gone to the districts. Mr. Speaker, I want to remind him that each Member in this House has gotten money to send to the districts. Each Member of Parliament has gotten additional money as a Member of Parliament (MP) from the HIPC Common Fund which has gone to the district.
    Mr. Speaker, I have the letters of all the Ministers asking for their HIPC funds to be used in processing the districts. Mr. Speaker, if you would allow me I can go and bring them. So to say that more money has not gone to the districts is not correct.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:40 p.m.
    It is
    relative, hon. Deputy Minister.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:40 p.m.
    He is misleading this
    House.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:40 p.m.
    It is
    relative as to what you think is more; his idea of what is more may be different from yours. So let him continue. Let him continue, hon. Member, you have had your turn too.
    Mr. Bagbin 3:40 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I sometimes
    have problem in the use of language. The
    money that he is referring to is money that is transferred to the Assembly for the Member of Parliament to instruct as to how it should be utilized. When he says each Member of Parliament has been given money to send to the Assembly, there is a wrong impression out there that the money is given to you. That is language; because even I heard him on Talking Point and again he made a serious statement that the salaries of Members of Parliament (MPs), the take home pay had increased from ¢5,000,000 to ¢18,000,000; and I was shocked. On Talking Point; I was shocked because that is not the case. That is not the case because it is important that we do not give wrong impressions to the public and then they come on us. It is not the case; he knows it. They have been reviewed.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:40 p.m.
    I can prove to him
    that it is the case. From ¢5,000,000 -- it depends on whether or not you are paying back your loans.
    Mr. Bagbin 3:40 p.m.
    No, I am not talking about
    the loans.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:40 p.m.
    That is a fact. That is
    Mr. Bagbin 3:40 p.m.
    The net was not
    ¢5,000,000.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:40 p.m.
    Hon.
    Members, we need not go into that. Hon. Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, it is not a question of even raising it. Do not let us go into that aspect of our debate. I do not think it is relevant now but I believe what he said was that if you are not careful the perception out there will bring unnecessary pressure on Members of Parliament. So let us get
    along with it.
    Hon. Yieleh Chireh, I thought you had
    finished making your point? I will give you another one minute.
    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, but the hon. Minister -- [Interruption.]
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon.
    Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu, is there anything you want to say? I do not think you are wading into this debate of -- Yes, what is it?
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    I think it
    is appropriate.
    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, as I was
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    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    All right, I should not
    say this; it is for closed door. [Pause.] [Some hon. Members: It is not for closed doors.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Continue, hon. Member.
    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I want
    to emphasise that the real purpose of decentralization is lost when we do not get resources -- [Interruption] -- I am saying that if we want to achieve proper decentralization, then it means we must send more resources into the districts where the action is and where development activities should take place. They cannot generate their own money if we do not resource them. Just like, as a country we are asking other countries to resource us to enable us create more wealth, so must the districts be given more money.
    So that is why I am still urging my hon. Friend, the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, to do something about it or else -- As I was saying, I have already got the draft of the resolution; and in the Constitution it is this Parliament which must decide how much percentage -- So I have drafted it and I hope that the Leadership of this House would let us pass this resolution as a condition for next year's Budget; that from next year onwards the amount should be 7.5 per cent or 10 per cent and not 5 per cent. That is my position.
    Mr. Speaker, I am coming to a very difficult and sensitive matter. We have the Youth Employment Programme, laudable in all its dimensions. But if something is founded on the wrong premise it cannot succeed. This laudable project of getting our youth in employment is based on borrowing from HIPC Funds, borrowing from GETFund, borrowing from Common Fund and the Health Insurance Levy (NHIL) Fund and the Road Fund.
    I am wondering, why would any Government which wants to sustain a project not introduce a more permanent and a newer way of funding this? Because apart from the HIPC funds, these funds were set up by laws, and in them some of these things that are being done by the Youth Employment Programme are not allowed. But as I am saying, apart from that these are funds that accumulate; so if you employ a number of the youth and for three months you do not have enough money coming into the Common Fund and HIPC Fund, how are you going to pay them?
    I also see some a problems with the project. One of them is this, if you are employing through the backdoor, it will not take long for the pertinent questions to arise. One of them will be that you increase -- from the newspapers -- I have heard that they are being paid ¢700,000, soon they will be asking for better conditions of service and higher salary. They will be asking for social security to be paid and their end of service benefits and pension.
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    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon.
    Deputy Minister, are you on a point of order?
    Mrs. Osei-Opare 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the
    hon. Member was saying that there are some funds which have been set up for specific areas which are being applied in the wrong way. Mr. Speaker, I would like to assure hon. Members that the moneys that are statutory -- or whatever legal backing they have are being used for the appropriate module. For instance,

    GETFund goes to the education module, NHIL goes to the health module. So please he should be informed that we are equally aware of the laws establishing these funds and we are applying them as is proper according to law.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon. Yieleh Chireh, you have a few seconds to finish.
    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I am not in
    any doubt about what she is saying. But I still find that unacceptable because if you have Ghana Health Service and you want to employ assistant nurses or assistant ward aids or something, the appropriate thing is for the Ghana Health Service to do the recruitment, or the aptitude test before you employ them. If you want to employ people in the Ghana Education Service, the appropriate thing is to get the Ghana Education Service --They have standards; they have methods.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:50 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    I believe
    Dr. A. A. Osei 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I said I needed to be guided as to the length of time that he has been allowed to -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Indeed,
    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, the issue is
    close to my heart. That is why I am saying this. [Interruption] -- I am still part of the youth. [Laughter] -- So I am saying that I agree that people must be employed. I also agree that we have conditionalities to satisfy in the public sector, in terms of wages and all the conditions that we know. If we think that we can continue to employ and let these people be permanent employees, fine. What I thought would have happened would be to enable these people to do private sector kind of self- employment, and they get their money.
    When you go and ask somebody in my village to farm a millet or maize for three months and you say he has been employed, obviously he has not been employed; he has earned income for maybe the three months but he has not been employed; because the results would not show that he is employed.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 3:50 p.m.
    Hon.
    Yieleh Chireh, I told you that you have a few seconds. If you do not land, I will be forced to cut you off.
    Mr. Chireh 3:50 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, thank

    But to wind up, we need to tidy up the processes. We need to look at it because we know the media already could report the corruption and so much malfeasance in the recruitment exercises. There are non-qualified people who are being employed in many places so I was just giving some indications for a follow-up so that we do not create a mess and say we are developing this country.
    Alhaji M. M. Mubarak (NDC - Asawase) 4 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion before us to approve the Financial Policy of Government for the fiscal year ending 31st December, 2007.
    Mr. Speaker, I would be very happy if
    the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning and his lieutenants will take what I am just going to say very seriously. Mr. Speaker, if we look at the Budget that we have for 2007 and that of 2006 there is some inconsistency in the figures given and I think it is very, very important that we try as much as possible to make sure that they do not occur again; we should try and avoid them.
    For example, if we take page 23 of the 2006 Budget as against page 23 of the 2007 Budget on agriculture, when we look at the figure that was reported in 2006 Budget for agriculture, in 2004, the figure was 7.5 per cent. Then we came to 2007, the same agriculture, the same 2004 figure is reported as 7.0 per cent.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 4 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, just a
    point of information. Mr. Speaker, if the
    hon. Member understands how the Ghana Statistical Service (GSS) provides us with figures, he could see why every year these numbers change. Mr. Speaker, they are legally bound to revise the figures as they get more information, so from year to year we are going to see changes; and anytime they get new information they report them to us. So we do not make these figures up but every year GSS has an obligation, on the basis of revisions, to come back. They are not inconsistencies; they are data that the GSS has revised on the basis of the information that they have and it is not we giving these numbers to them.
    Mr. Asaga 4 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I think my
    hon. Colleague should just accept that the figures are not rhyming because most of the figures are supposed to be actuals and once there is an actual the Statistics Department should not come back and say there is a revision. In any case, if there is a revision, then in their mid-term review they should also tell us about those revisions, but they do not tell us, they maintain the same figures. So it is not true; they must accept it and then do the right thing next year.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 4 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I think
    my hon. Good Friend did not hear what I said. These figures are not made by us. Mr. Speaker, we cannot make up GDP numbers. The only body in this country that is required to record these numbers is the GSS; we must record them as they bring them. Even if we have our doubts we cannot change them. Because if in one year, because we do not like them we change them, and next year when they do not favour us we still maintain them, it would not work. That is why the GSS is the only institution that reports to us and we report to you, it is not us.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4 p.m.
    I could
    see you shake your head; is there any disagreement you want to express?
    Mr. Bagbin 4 p.m.
    Yes, Mr. Speaker, the
    responsibility for the Budget before us is not the Statistics Department, it is the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning. When we approve it, then it becomes Parliament's. [Interruption.] He is doing it on behalf of the President, that is true. I accept that he is doing it on behalf of the President so it is the responsibility of the President; but he is the man on the job. That is why he is here, the President is not here. Immediately we approve the Budget it becomes our responsibility. So we cannot now be holding Statistical Service responsible. I have worked with them before and this theory he is talking about is really a new theory. Let me explain - I worked with them. We could record actuals; we could record data then after the year we reviewed them.
    Prof. G. Y. Gyan-Baffour 4 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, my problem is simple. The Bank of Ghana is an independent institution; the Ghana Statistical Services is an independent institution of the Ministry. The Ministry does not control any of these agencies so the figures that we report are the figures that are brought by them. We cannot go and change the figures that the Bank of Ghana gives to us to put into the Budget.
    So even though we take responsibility for these, we are not responsible for the figures that come from Bank of Ghana. Because of the independence of the two agencies, we do not have to go and tell the Bank of Ghana that the figures that they are bringing here should be changed. We do not change any figures that come from these agencies because of the need to actually safeguard the integrity of these figures.
    So Mr. Speaker, even though we are responsible for this Budget the figures in them, from these separate agencies, are not figures that we cooked; they give them to
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4 p.m.
    Can we
    reconcile what is happening? I think we need not split hairs over this. What the hon. Member is saying is that we are saddled with different figures and that makes analysis and debate on the floor a little bit difficult; and he is drawing hon. Members' attention, to that. If one wants, the Statistical Department - These are figures which create problems for our budget planning and debates on this floor whereby hon. Members tend to even doubt some of the figures. I think that is a point that is well made. Let us continue.
    Dr. A. A. Osei 4 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, all
    we are saying is that they may appear inconsis tencies but they are not inconsistencies, because they have revised them. In any case the revisions do not change the story. But he used the word “inconsistencies” and I am trying to say that they are not inconsistencies; they are revisions that have come in from the GSS. But in any case, the important thing is that the story has not changed.
    Alhaji Mubarak 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I was very cautious when I was choosing my words and the year. For example, I did not choose 2005 whereby we could say it was just last year and therefore there could be review. That is why I said that it was 2004 and you have reported it even in 2005 and now we are in 2006. So when it keeps changing, I believe that it should be a big source of worry for the Ministry because this document is going around the world and if anybody would take it and see -- [Interruptions.]
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I think the issue has been raised that it is really a matter of reconciling the figures and that they are not inconsistencies. Mr. Speaker, quoting from the same page
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Which figures are you referring to? The projected figures or what?
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:10 p.m.
    The projected outturn is 5.7 per cent; Mr. Speaker, by the close of year it could go to six per cent or perhaps less than six per cent. So for the same year, we could have three figures. And that will not in any way mean that there are inconsistencies. It is a matter of reconciliation of the realities.
    Alhaji Mubarak 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I believe that our responsibility is to draw their attention when we see some of these things. And like I said, that is why I did not use 2005. So they are not projections, they were approved figures for 2004. So I believe that it is worth noting and the Ministry should make sure that they try as much as possible to iron out some of these differences in the Budget Statement because it is very, very important.
    Mr. Speaker, the Budget that is before us, I believe, is something that we all must devote a lot of energy to ensure that it is implemented to the full. Mr. Speaker, if you take for example, the Budget Statement for 2006 and you go to page 156, where we have the President's Special Initiatives -- Mr. Speaker, we come to 2007 and all the targets that we set for ourselves, and all the programmes that we anticipated we were going to run have not been reported to this House as to
    whether we have been able to achieve them or they failed -- nothing; just silence. For example, on salt, cassava, garments and textiles -- I believe that this is a big source of worry because when we are approving, especially the sectoral budgets, it is these things that moneys are allocated for. And when we approve them against certain projections and the following year comes and nothing is said about them, then one raises these questions: What happened to the project? Was it implemented? Was the money released for that purpose?
    If moneys have been released and those projects have not been carried out, is it not a big source of worry to us as legislators to approve an estimate for it to go, only to come the following year and nothing is said about it? I believe this is one thing that the Ministry should kindly take on board and help us with so that, at least, those projects that are mentioned in the Budget are brought on board to give us an idea as to where they end up.
    Mr. Speaker, if you look at the Budget Statement that we have for 2007, with regard to housing -- For 2006, the Ministry was very clear that they were going to put up close to three thousand affordable housing units. Mr. Speaker, even in the 2007 Budget, the hon. Minister is saying that they are at the completion stage. Yet, in this same Budget they go ahead to say that they are going to construct twenty thousand units annually. Mr. Speaker, it raised a lot of concern for everyone of us, when they said they set for themselves three thousand units, but they could not do it; they did about 1,300.
    The following year, they were able to do just about 1,400, and then in the year under review they are telling the whole State that they are going to do twenty thousand. Honestly, it raises a lot of concerns for all of us. We all wish that they could do even forty thousand but the track record that they have should give us an indication that they are really not very serious about some of the things that
    they are saying. So I would urge that the Ministries should take most of these things that we say very, very seriously, so that, at least, we can have confidence when we are approving the figures, that these things are achievable and come next year, we are going to have something very meaningful.
    Mr. Speaker, if you look at the cocoa industry, for example, the cocoa housing scheme, we took five billion cedis with anticipation to build these houses. We are told that one billion cedis out of that five billion cedis had been used to start ten houses in three districts. And Mr. Speaker, that was all. In this particular year, nothing is said about those houses. Are we going to continue or we are going to leave it hanging considering the moneys that we have voted for this project?
    We are not sure of this year, because we have only been told what has been taken and what the one billion cedis is being used for. But the other ten billion cedis that we have taken in this 2007 Budget, we are not talking about continuing the project and we are not also accounting for the moneys that we took.
    Mr. Kwame Osei-Prempeh 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, just a little information for my younger Brother. If he does not know, the Budget we are running now is M-term; it rows over. So if there is a programme and it is ongoing, at the end of the year you do not come and say that you said you would use four billion cedis to build houses, you used one billion cedis, and therefore the four billion cedis was put into an account.
    So if the Budget is brought here and it says that the project is ongoing -- Perhaps he will see the hon. Member for Nabdam (hon. Moses Asaga) to teach him more about that.
    Alhaji Mubarak 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, at least, I am happy that I am not a lawyer but I am a development planner and I can tell him that the rolling Budget for 2007 -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Are you saying that those of us who are lawyers should not be happy?
    Alhaji Mubarak 4:10 p.m.
    No. He is trying to educate me on something that I have studied very well. And I am telling him that this Budget is rolling from 2007 to 2009 and that one is in 2006 so it is important. Even if it is rolling, it is -- [Interruption.]
    Mr. Moses Asaga 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether we are getting tired or something but it is like we do not have a quorum.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon. Member for Nabdam, you are out of order. Could you take your seat? Let him continue.
    Alhaji Mubarak 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, there is another very important thing that we would need clarification on from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, in particular, the estimated production for 2006/2007 cocoa session. Mr. Speaker, the 2005/2006 cocoa session gave us, as reported by this Budget, 740,458 metric tonnes. We have increased most of the expenditure towards mass spraying, jute sacks and all the logistics. Yet, we are estimating to purchase six hundred thousand metric tonnes.
    Mr. Speaker, if they made 740,000 metric tonnes, why do they now go back
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Yes, hon.
    Minority Leader (A. S. K. Bagbin), will you continue.
    rose
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Yes, say
    what you want to say.
    Mr. Kyeremeh 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I just
    want to raise a serious issue here. If you look at our own Standing Order 48 (1) and with your permission I read:
    “The presence of at least one-third of all the Members of Parliament besides the person presiding shall be necessary to continue a quorum of the House.”
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon Member, you have drawn my attention to that; I will let them ring the bell and within five to ten minutes we will know what to do.
    Mr. Bagbin 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I thank
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Which partners are you referring to?
    Mr. Bagbin 4:10 p.m.
    The media -- [Inter- ruptions.] So Mr. Speaker, it is important, it is a Budget, it is not any document. [Interruption.]
    Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, this House operates with rules. Our hon. Colleague has raised an important matter about quorum. Mr. Speaker, we should allow for ten minutes as per Order 48 (2) which he did quote. Mr. Speaker, you are urging the Minority Leader to start the debate and he says that you should commence your own. Mr. Speaker, if he says that he does not want to do it, given the time that has been allotted to him, he cannot stampede Parliament to close. He cannot by his actions stampede Parliament to close. We are still within the ten minutes period so he should start.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon. Majority Chief Whip, cool it down; it is a simple matter. I think you have to urge your Friends to -- hon. Minority Leader, are you still insisting that you do not want to --
    Mr. Bagbin 4:10 p.m.
    No. Mr. Speaker, I insist, because I believe that this is a very important document for the country and that we should -- [Interruptions.] Mr. Speaker, I believe strongly that on Monday we would take time to do it and
    then we will go into the Committee of the Whole. After that we can have committee meetings and that will be all. So we should have time to do it.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Hon. Majority Leader, I realize that you have gone to take the back seat and you appear not to be too interested in this debate. What is your stake on that? But before then let me take --
    Mr. A. O. Aidooh 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, there had been several times that whilst the House was Sitting, the Minority Leader had held press conferences and taken away the whole of the media personnel. There had been countless number of times that whilst the House was in session, the Minority Leader and his group went out, held press conferences and took away all the pressmen; the House went on.
    Mr. Speaker, I want to tell him that we all know there is no requirement that this House cannot work when the media are not present. That is an outrageous proposal from the hon. Minority Leader.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:10 p.m.
    Yes, hon. Majority Leader, you want to say something? Your hon. Colleague is insisting that he will not start his debate because the press is not in.
    Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 4:10 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, in fact, I was only waiting for him to wind up and then ask the Minister to conclude without me speaking. Because as regards the press, these days of modern science and with our own press here -- In fact, the other day we had a function, the Ghana Television, TV3 and the rest were not there; but he took it and the next day it was in the news.
    So if it is only a question of the press coverage then we can guarantee that we will arrange and make sure that his whole speech is covered. But then if he thinks he has nothing to say now perhaps we can -- Let us be practical; Mr. Speaker, we have programmed that at 10 o'clock on Monday
    Mr. Owusu-Adjapong 4:30 p.m.
    we expect, after going through the Votes and Proceedings, to go immediately into Committee of the Whole so that in an hour or so we would have finished with the briefing and our discussion on the matter. We have arranged that by 11.30 a.m., latest 12.00 noon, Committees will start meeting.
    Mr. Speaker, I am aware that it will not be in the interest of democracy if we do not get these things completed by 15th December so that our Colleagues who are going to elect their Presidential Candidate will have time to work on that. I am aware that just this afternoon we had a meeting with the UNDP and we have agreed that the Monday after the commencement of the recess we will be having a meeting with the extended Leadership so that they go into residence on Sunday and have it the next day.
    So it means we are working with a tight programme and that is why I am pleading that if it is a question of the coverage we will guarantee and make sure that the national orientation -- [Interruption.] Mr. Speaker, we must follow the procedure. I am having a discussion with your boss, and you youngmen must learn how to -- [Laughter.]

    So if we can agree so that we make progress. As for the others and the rest, he knows very well that we have had a way of looking -- That is why we are using Mr. Speaker's watch. If we had not been using the Speaker's watch, I am sure some of you would have spoken only for five minutes; but you have been speaking for -- So if hon. Alban Bagbin can agree and let us move on.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Your last word, hon. Minority Leader, before I take a decision; it is already past ten minutes.
    Mr. Bagbin 4:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I do not know why my hon. Colleagues are hanging on the
    issue of the media. That is an addition. The first was on the rules of the House; it was initially raised by hon. Moses Asaga.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    No, he has not raised any issue like that.
    Mr. Bagbin 4:30 p.m.
    He raised the issue of quorum, but Mr. Speaker ruled him out of order.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    He was out of order.
    Mr. Bagbin 4:30 p.m.
    It was after sometime that the hon. Member also raised the issue of quorum.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    Yes, I only went by the hon. Member's.
    Mr. Bagbin 4:30 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, it is
    more than ten minutes according to our Standing Orders -- by the Standing Orders and the time of this country, not your time. Mr. Speaker, I believe strongly that we will be doing a better job if we actually took some time off on Monday to wind up, because it is important.
    As indicated by the former Senior Minister, hon. J. H. Mensah and echoed by the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Dr. Akoto Osei, it is important that we look critically at this submission; we cannot just rush it through at the end of the day. We need to do a good winding-up, a summary of the
    issues so that we can guide the Government to come out with a better policy for us.
    Mr. First Deputy Speaker 4:30 p.m.
    So hon. Members and Leaders, it is all right; we have been here for this long. If the Minority Leader says he is asking his Colleague and company so that maybe on Monday we spend a little time -- Monday we will reserve only the time in terms of the debate for the Minority Leader and the winding up of the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning. And of course, if the Majority Leader also decides to make some contribution we will allow him to do that.
    F o r t h a t r e a s o n , h o n . Members, and on that note, I will adjourn proceedings till Monday 10.00 o' clock before noon.
    ADJOURNMENT 4:30 p.m.