Debates of 29 Oct 2008

MR. FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:35 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:35 a.m.

Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 28th October, 2008. Any corrections for yesterday's Sitting, 28th October, 2008? Pages 1 . . . .8, 9.
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 10:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, on pages 8 and 9 of the Votes and Proceedings of yesterday, some Protocols were laid which were referred to the Committee on Transport, but these Protocols also relate to the Environment. So I wish to request humbly that you amend the order to include the Committee on Environment as well.
The Protocols that were laid by the hon. Minister for Ports, Harbours and Railways, there should be a joint referral to the Committees on Environment and Transport.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Are they missing?
Mr. Aidooh 10:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, yes, and I am requesting that the Committee on Environment be added to the Committee that is supposed to look at these documents.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Very well. Correction will be effected by the Clerk.

Pages 10 . . . 20.
Mr. J. Y. Chireh 10:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you look at page 19, (xx), clause 19, that is, the amendment we voted on yesterday, it says:
“The received by or . . .”
Indeed, something is missing. It should read “The sums received by and on behalf of”. So “s- u-m-s” is missing.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
The word “sum” is missing. That also must be corrected by the Clerk's Office. Pages
21 . . . 28.
Hon. Members, we now move on to Question time. We have with us here the hon. Minister for Health; he is ready to answer Questions. There is a tall list of Questions and for that reason we will not be disposed to allowing too many supplementary questions.
The first Question stands in the name of hon. Francis Yaw Osei-Sarfo of Krachi West.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:35 a.m.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH 10:35 a.m.

Minister for Health Maj. Courage Quashigah (retd.) 10:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Krachi West District Health Adminis- tration block was part of the mass District Health Management Team Administration Block Projects which were started in 1996.
The project was abandoned at the lintel level due to lack of funding.
However, it has since been included in the capital projects development budgets of the district every year, but unfortunately, it has never received approval for completion.
The level of completion of the project is currently at 40 per cent and the Ministry hopes to complete it when the necessary funds are obtained.
Mr. Osei-Sarfo 10:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to know from the Minister the criteria the Ministry uses to approve new capital projects yearly to the neglect of continuing ones. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Hon.
Member, are you referring to health projects or other projects? Very well, hon. Minister.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker,
for the purpose of explanation, the Ministry is decentralized and most of the agencies are semi-autonomous. What happens is that the planning starts from the district level and they make their plans and meet together at the ghana Health Service level and discuss their projects.
At that level, they all defend their projects and those who have stronger arguments get their projects approved and it is only after then that they submit this to the Ministry of Health which will put together those from the teaching hospitals, the Food and Drugs Board and the rest of them. They will put all of these things together, so we do not have any real authority. It is the ghana Health Service that has authority to approve the projects and submit to us to be put together in the
budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Osei-Sarfo 10:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want
to know from the Minister the plans so far made to source funding to complete this project.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker,
we have been looking for funding. There is something in the pipeline. I am hoping that the District Director of Health Services there will put up a very strong argument for the completion of this. Because I will not be the one in the position to say go and do this or go and do that. We all sit down and discuss the priorities according to the arguments.
So Mr. Speaker, I will advise that the hon. Member really sits down with the District Director of Health Services there and discuss this issue with him thoroughly so that he can put up a strong argument for consideration the next time around.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
The next
Question stands in the name of hon. Moses Dani Baah - Sissala East.
Wuru, Momo and Santijan (Clinic)
Q. 1462. Mr. Moses Dani Baah asked the Minister for Health when the following communities which were remote areas in the Sissala East District would be provided with a clinic each: (i) Wuru, (ii) Komo and (iii) Santijan
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker,
the Ministry of Health is committed to improving health care delivery in remote areas, through the Community- based Health Planning Services (CHPS) programme.
The Sissala East District is divided into eighteen (18) CHPS zones which cover all the communities. Wuru is a small community with an estimated population of two hundred and forty (240) people. This community is served by Kuchogu CHPS centre together with five other

communities which form the Kuchogu CHPS zone.

The Komo community is served by

the Bawisebelle CHPS centre which has been operational since 2005. These two communities are not far from each other and so are conveniently put together.

Mr. Speaker, Santijan CHPS zone

consists of five (5) communities of which Santijan is the smallest. A CHPS center is being constructed by the Sissala East District Assembly and will be operational by March 2009. Currently, work has come to a standstill because the area is cut off by floods.
Mr. Dani Baah 10:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the three communities, Wuru, Komo and Santijan are small communities with very poor road networks which are cut off almost every year by floods. Will the hon. Minister consider giving these communities some special dispensation and giving each of them a CHPS compound to avoid this yearly flooding in the area.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker,
I take his suggestion and we will put it in our considerations. Thank you.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Hon.
Members, we move on to the next Question which stands in the name of hon. Henry Ford Kamel (Buem).
Mr. E. K. Bandua 10:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member has asked me to pose the Question on his behalf.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
go ahead.
Jasikan Hospital (Expansion)
Q. 1484. Mr. E.K. Bandua (on behalf of Mr. H. F. Kamel) asked the Minister for Health what plans the Ministry had to expand and improve facilities at the Jasikan Hospital to enable health personnel stationed there serve the growing population better.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, the Jasikan District Hospital was originally a health centre and was upgraded to a district hospital in 2002 in line with government policy to provide each district with a hospital.
Currently, the hospital has a bed capacity of 50 and has since benefited from a package of basic equipment including surgical equipment from JICA. Some limited rehabilitation work has also been undertaken to provide outpatient, surgical, in-patient and laboratory services.
Furthermore, the Jasikan District Assembly has supported the hospital tremendously by putting up a number of staff houses to accommodate some health personnel stationed at the hospital. This has resulted in an increase in the number of critical staff at the hospital.
There is a medical doctor at post who is supported by a substantive manage- ment team.
Mr. Speaker, further expansion of the hospital would be done as soon as budgetary allocation for capital projects submitted to the Capital Investment Unit of the Ministry for consideration is approved. Meanwhile, the Ministry will continue to collaborate with the District Assembly for the provision of more staff accommodation and other infrastructural development of the hospital.
Mr. Bandua 10:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in his
Answer, the Minister said that further expansion of the hospital would be done as soon as budgetary allocation for capital investment projects were submitted to the capital investment unit for consideration and approval.
I want to find out from him when this budgetary allocation was submitted to the Ministry for approval?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, let me just repeat the explanation I had given earlier. The whole planning process starts from the district level and the District Director of Health Services has to put up his project and submit it to the projects unit management team of the Ministry of Health and they all come together to discuss the budget. Some of them have very strong arguments for doing what they want to do, and it is at that stage that they all agree that these will be the priorities.
So it is not for the Ministry to say I am cancelling this one or I am approving that one. They do that at the ghana Health Services level and submit to us at the headquarters level before we put it into the total budget. Therefore, I am expecting again, that if it is possible, the hon. Member should have a strong dialogue with his District Director of Health Services so that we can see some of these things in the next project. Thank you.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Hon.
Members, we move on. It is still the hon. Member for Buem to ask the next Question.
Jasikan Hospital (Ambulance)
Q. 1485. Mr. E. K. Bandua (on behalf of Mr. Henry Ford Kamel) asked the Minister for Health why an ambulance which was allocated to the Jasikan Hospital had been reallocated to the Worawora Hospital and if there were any plans to reallocate another one to the hospital.

Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, when the allocations were being made, there was a regrettable mistake during

the distribution of ambulances when the Jasikan Health Centre instead was allocated an ambulance and not the Worawora District Hospital, which is a much bigger hospital and serves a much larger community than the Jasikan Health Centre. This necessitated the reallocation.

Unfortunately, the policy now of the Ministry has changed and therefore, it is no longer allocating ambulances to health institutions. The policy is now to equip and increase the fleet of the national ambulance service to open ambulance stations in all the various district capitals. This, we believe will serve the whole community in the district instead of stationing ambulances in the health facilities.
Mr. Bandua 10:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to find out from the Minister when this policy will become effective, that is the policy of equipping and increasing the fleet of national ambulance service to open ambulance stations in the various district capitals. When will this policy become effective or have they started implemen- ting this policy?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Hon. Member, which policy are you referring to?
Mr. Bandua 10:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister had said that the policy was now to equip and increase the fleet of the national ambulance service to open ambulance stations in all the various district capitals and I want to find out whether this has been started.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, it has started and the idea is very simple. Normally ambulances carry emergency cases for referral and accident cases and so on. So if we have an area which can be covered by an ambulance, because they have communication between them, even if your hospital is not allocated an ambulance, you can easily call for an
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
The next Question, from hon. Stephen M. E. K. Ackah, Member of Parliament for Suaman.
It appears that the hon. Member is not here with us and had not also instructed anybody to ask the Question on his behalf.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Will you volunteer to ask the Question on his behalf?
Mr. Bandua 10:55 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
go ahead.
Dadieso Community Clinic Project
Q. 1486. Mr. E. Bandua (on behalf of Mr. Stephen M. E. K. Ackah) asked the Minister for Health what was militating against the take-off of the community clinic project at Dadieso.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, the construction of the Dadieso Health Centre has already started after an initial delay due to extended rainy season which rendered the site practically inaccessible.
The contractor re-mobilized for works to begin on 4th February, 2008 and they have been working. The project is actually currently at the roof, gable stage. So this is my Answer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
The next Question and indeed, the last one stands in the name of Alhaji Sumani Abukari, hon. Member for Tamale North.
Dr. Ahmed Yakubu
Q. 1581. Alhaji Sumani Abukari asked the Minister for Health why Dr. Ahmed Yakubu, a specialist in a rare medical field of Biomedical Engineering, at the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital was removed from the hospital.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, unfortunately my Answer would be answering the first Question.
The Ministry of Health as a corporate institution does not involve itself in human resource issues concerning hiring, firing, postings and reassignment of personnel of its various sector agencies. The agencies are semi-autonomous and have signed performance contracts with the Ministry. The agencies, as a result have the power to engage competent staff in certain critical areas, as well as the power to redeploy any officer for better efficiency.
The Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital believes the said officer is a Bio Engineer and not a Bio-medical Engineer as is being alleged. A Bio-medical Engineer for the purpose of an explanation, is the professional responsible for management of health care technology (that is, medical devices and clinical support service equipment) in a patient care facility.
A Bio Engineer or Cellular Engineer
on the other hand, is the professional who deals with the human tissue, in other words, replacement of parts of the body with artificial substitutes, prosthesis and not trained on clinical instrumentation.
Mr. Speaker, since the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital has three qualified biomedical engineers and other technicians supporting them, it believes the officer should be engaged elsewhere, where his services as a Bio Engineer will be needed.
Alhaji Abukari 10:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have very serious problems with this Answer.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
You mean you have serious problems with it?
Alhaji Abukari 10:55 a.m.
Very serious pro- blems. The doctor referred to here is a biomedical engineer by training, trained in Britain; he was working there when Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital brought him from that place. So when did Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital realize that he is a Bio Engineer and not a Biomedical Engineer? And when did they realize that they did not need him because they recruited him? When did they realise after recruiting him that his services were not required?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Hon. Member, I believe the first part of his Answer is self-explanatory that the Ministry does not involve itself in the services or whatever the agencies do because they are semi-autonomous.
Indeed, I had thought that the Minister would have stopped there because according to him, those agencies signed performance contracts with the Ministry. I do not think this is the appropriate forum to take him on, on the employees and their relationship with the agencies. But be that
as it may, ask your last question.
Alhaji Abukari 10:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I completely agree with you but he did not stop there; he went on to make other statements. So I think I should question him on those other statements that he made.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
And I said go ahead and ask your last question.
Alhaji Abukari 10:55 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. So when did the hospital realize that he was a Bio Engineer and he was not a Biomedical Engineer and that his services were not required; when?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, as the Minister for Health, I receive reports from my agencies. And Mr. Speaker, let me say that in the background, the hon. Member and I have already had a discussion on this and the issues are more than what we are stating here. And for that matter, if he wants more information, I will make it available personally to him and perhaps, this is not the forum now to start discussing some of these things --
Obviously, I did not employ him there. The hospital, when we asked for a report, indicated to us as far as this Question is concerned, that the man is not a Biomedical Engineer, he is Bio Engineer. So I have no right to change that.
Alhaji M. M. Mubarak 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister whether his dismissal or transfer from Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital has got to do with a petition that, the said doctor wrote to him, the Minister for Health on 28th August,
2007.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Please, go over your question, hon. Member.
Alhaji Mubarak 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am asking the Minister whether the transfer or dismissal of the gentleman from Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital has to do with the petition the said Dr. Yakubu Ahmed wrote to him, the Minister for Health on 28th August, 2007?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, as I have said, we are opening - I believe that when hon. Members are putting up Questions, they would go direct to what exactly they want so that we can prepare the appropriate Answers. What the hon. Member is talking about now is not even mentioning this question, so I think that Mr. Speaker, you need to intervene at this stage and make sure that proper notice is given.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon. Minister, I would have agreed with you but the question is very simple. The hon. Member is asking whether the transfer of the said doctor has got anything to do with some petition he is holding in his hands which petition he said was addressed to you. Has it got anything to do with you or it has not got anything to do with you? As I have said, the answer is simple.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, as I said, in the background with Alhaji Abukari, we discussed this and I told him that I have received a petition like that and I actually put a committee together to investigate what has happened. The report is there; this is why I said that I am prepared to make that report available to him.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
The question the hon. Member is asking, is whether, his transfer has got anything to do with the petition he sent to you. Was the petition sent to you earlier before his transfer or after his transfer? Has it got
anything to do with his transfer?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, I will not be able to put this together here but I can look at my files and find out which event came first.
Alhaji Mubarak 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I hold in my hand the petition written by the said doctor to the Minister for Health, on 28th August, 2007 and the letter for his purported dismissal or transfer to the Regional Stores which is also dated 21st January 2008. I believe these dates are not dates that should miss the Minister and I think the question that we are asking is relevant. I want to repeat it:
Hon. Minister, does the transfer of the gentleman have to do with the petition that he wrote with regard to the malfeasance happening at Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, may I please have the two dates again.
Alhaji Mubarak 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am asking, the petition to him is dated 28th August, 2007 and he got his transfer on 21st January, 2008. And I am saying that the dates should not miss him.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon. Member, can we follow it? When was the petition?
Alhaji Mubarak 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the petition was on 28th August, 2007. And his transfer was in January, 2008. And I am asking whether the petition that he wrote to him, with regard to what was purported to be a malfeasance happening at the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital has got anything to do with his transfer in January, 2008?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, this is slightly confusing because it will be important to know the contents of even that petition. I do not know the full details
of the petition.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon. Minister, you do not need to give yourself problems. You received a petition?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, yes, I did.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
You are not responsible for the transfer of or the management of personnel, like you have earlier on said, at this institution which comes under your Ministry?
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, not at all.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
All he wants you to do is that, you are in front of Parliament, has the transfer got anything to do with his earlier letter or petition to you? The answer may be a yes or no, simple.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, I do not think so.
Dr. Kwame Ampofo 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to know from the hon. Minister if he can tell us, the House, how long has this gentleman been working at the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital before it was realized that his qualification was not appropriate and therefore, was trans-ferred? And whether where he was transferred to is relevant to his quali- fication.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon. Member, you have to ask one question.
Dr. Ampofo 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, one question; he is to tell us how long the gentleman worked at Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital before they realized that his qualification was not compatible with his job.
Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, on notice I will present the details.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
And lastly? This is Question time and it is taking more than an hour so --
Dr. A. Y. Alhassan 11:05 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the last paragraph of the hon. Minister's Answer says that the gentleman, the doctor has to go elsewhere so that he can be properly engaged. And I just wanted to find out from him whether somebody will answer for employing an expert like that who has no job to do at the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:05 a.m.
The hon. Minister has not said that somebody has no job to do. He says “so that he could be more effectively used or more effectively used elsewhere”. He has never said that the doctor has no job to do.
Mr. Twumasi-Appiah 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister in his Answer says that he receives reports from his agencies and on this particular issue, a report was submitted to him. Will he tell this House what the report says about they having engaged an individual whose services were not required.

Maj. Quashigah (retd): Mr. Speaker, when I started answering the Question, I did say that the Ministry of Health does not involve itself in the human resource issues concerning its agencies - hiring, firing, posting, redeployment and reassignment.

That was the initial, opening statement I made. I did also say here in my Answer to the first Question that it looked as if there was something else behind this first Question, that if the Question had been put directly we could have come out with a different Answer altogether and not what we are saying now. Because the Question only said that a biometric engineer at Komfo Anokye was removed from the hospital. That was the Question

I answered and not any of these that are coming up now. So on notice we can give the full details of what has happened.

Some hon. Members -- rose --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:15 a.m.
That will be all for you, hon. Minister. [Inter- ruptions.] Promises are meant to be broken.
Mr. E.T. Mensah 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, promises are broken by men who are not honourable. I know you are a Right Honourable so you will not break a promise.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:15 a.m.
I have decided on that, I beg you. For very good reasons I have decided on that. That is all.
PAPERS 11:15 a.m.

Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
thank you for your indulgence. If you look at page 2 of the Order Paper -- I think for the records we are all mourning the sudden departure of the hon. Minister for Finance and Economic Planning -- It should not read, and Mr. Speaker, with your permission I beg to quote:
“The Minister for Finance and Economic Planning”.
Because properly speaking it should be addressed as
“The Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning” doing the laying.
If you say “Minister for Finance and Economic Planning” and the record captures that, I have a difficulty. I do not know whether that is legitimate.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:15 a.m.
You are
out of order.
By the Minister of State, Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning (Dr. A.A. Osei) (on behalf of) the Minister for Finance and Economic Planning --
Financing Agreement between the government of the Republic of ghana and the Brazilian National Bank for Economic and Social Development (BNDES) for an amount of US$50 million to finance the development and construction of the Juale and Pwalugu Hydro- electric Power Projects.
Referred to the Finance Committee.
By the Minister for Trade, Industry, Public Sector Development and Pre- sident's Special Initiatives (Papa Owusu- Ankomah) --
( b ) S a l e a n d P u r c h a s e
A g r e e m e n t b e t w e e n t h e government of the Republic of ghana and the International Aluminium Partners for the sale and purchase of 70 per cent issued and fully paid shares of Volta Aluminium Company Limited (VALCO) held by government of ghana.
Referred to the Joint Committee on Finance and Trade and Industry
By the Chairman of the Committee on Communications --
(c) Report of the Committee on Communications on the Elec- tronic Transactions Bill.
Report of the Committee on Communications on the National Information Technology Agency Bill.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Hon. Members, we move on to item 6 on the Order Paper - That the National Pension Reform Bill be now read the Third time.
Minister for Parliamentary Affairs/ Majority Leader (Mr. Abraham Ossei Aidooh) 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that the Bill goes to a Second Consideration Stage in respect of clauses 9, 60, 65, 57 and 58.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Move and make an argument. Could you now move it?
Mr. A. O. Aidooh 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we have in 9 (4),
“A member of the Board who is absent from three consecutive meetings of the Board without sufficient cause ceases to be a
member of the Board.”
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that we delete the words “without sufficient cause” and insert “without reasonable excuse.” Mr. Speaker, if a Board member is drunk for instance, and he cannot attend to business it is sufficient that he cannot attend because he was drunk but this is not reasonable. The normal words we use which I submit to use in this case would be “without reasonable excuse.”
Mr. Hackman Owusu-Agyemang 11:15 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I need some guidance. What are we doing? Second Consideration? Why is the Mace standing like that? The Mace cannot stand when we are doing Consideration.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:15 a.m.
I agree
Mr. Owusu-Agyemang 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker,
so if it is Consideration, can we do it properly, please?
Mr. Aidooh 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I moved
and you said that I should go on. So if it needs to be seconded, you may direct that an hon. Member should do so.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu 11:15 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
beg to second the motion for the Second Consideration Stage.
Question put and motion agreed to.
BILLS -- SECOND 11:15 a.m.

CONSIDERATION STAGE 11:15 a.m.

Mr. Aidooh 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 9 (4), delete the words, “without sufficient cause” and substitute the words “without reasonable excuse.” Because “sufficient cause” may not be reasonable.

Nii Mante: Mr. Speaker, I rise to know from you as to the reasons advanced by the proponent for this change, and then I would know what to say.
Mr. Aidooh 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, it means he was not listening. I said sufficient reason may not be a reasonable excuse and if a member of the Board is drunk and could not attend Board meetings, it is sufficient. He has been incapacitated by drunken- ness but it is not reasonable. So the better words are “without reasonable excuse”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 9 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 60 -- Application.
Mr. Aidooh 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, clause 60, subclause (1) (a), delete “of an establishment” and insert “ its”.
Mr. Speaker, the “employer” is defined to be an owner of establishment. Nobody employs an establishment, people own an establishment. The rendition will now read:
“The social security scheme applies to every employer and to each worker employed by its establis- hment”.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:25 a.m.
Hon. Nii Mante, do you agree with it?
Nii Mante: Rightly so, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:25 a.m.
Then I will put the Question. I believe, hon. Chairman would not be against that. Are you?
Nii Mante: No. please.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 60 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 65 -- Mandatory contributions.
Mr. Aidooh 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, clause 65, subclause (1), delete “of an establishment” in the first and second lines.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 65 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
We are going back to clause 57.
Clause 57 - Administrative expenses.
Mr. J. B. D. Adu 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg
to move, clause 57, subclause (1), delete after
“pensions” subject to a maximum limit to be determined by the Authority in consultation with the Board of Trustees and consistent with best practices of similar social security schemes”
and insert
“subject to a maximum limit set by the Board of Trustees in line with the general guideline that may be issued by the Authority and consistent with best practices of similar social security schemes”.
Mr. Speaker, the new rendition reads 11:25 a.m.
“The expenses related to the administration of social security scheme except those expenses mentioned in subsections (2) and (3) shall be charged on the Fund in accordance with generally accepted accounting practice in relation to pensions, subject to a maximum limit set by the Board of Trustees in line with the general guideline that may be issued by the Authority and consistent with best practices of similar social security schemes”.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 57 as amended ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
Clause 58 -- Permitted expenditure from scheme funds.
Dr. Osei 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move,
clause 58, delete “determined by the Authority” and insert “either than those prescribed by regulations”.
Mr. Speaker, the new rendition will read
“The Board of Trustees shall not charge any expenditure or make any deductions from the social security funds either than those prescribed by regulations”.
Mr. Chireh 11:25 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, while
Dr. Osei 11:25 a.m.
I have no problem with that.
Mr. Chireh 11:25 a.m.
Because “prescribed” is
very defined to mean regulations.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 58 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Hon.
Member, do you want anything to be added?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Hon.
Member, are you talking about the fourth line?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the
fourth line after “not exceeding”. I am proposing the inclusion of “not exceeding 10 per cent of the total funds”.
Indeed Mr. Speaker, we had discussions with the hon. Majority Leader who indicated that if we could get it prescribed, then we could possibly drop the amendment asking for 10 per cent because this is external investment and we do not think that we should give the Authority free hands as to how much they can invest externally; we should give them a limit.
Mr. Speaker, under clause 71, if we can
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Hon.
Member, are you saying they should not invest more than 10 per cent?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11:35 a.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Do you
agree to that, hon. Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning?
Dr. Osei 11:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, we had a long
discussion on this and we agreed that because the guidelines are as prescribed, they would have to come to this august House for us to determine that and that is how we ended up at the discussion. So Mr. Speaker, we do not have to put the cap here because the Authority would have to come here with their regulations for us to accept their guidelines.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Hon.
Member, you do not want that power in this House as a Member of Parliament?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am
saying that clause 71, after “percentage” we should put the word “prescribed” so that we would know that necessarily when it comes to external investment, the regulations they would bring to this House would give us an indication how much of the money is likely to be invested externally.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11:35 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my
argument is that the external investment should not exceed 10 per cent.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Fair
enough. Is that your proposed amend- ment?
Mr. H. Iddrisu 11:35 a.m.
Rightly so, Mr. Speaker.
Question put and amendment nega- tived.
Clause 71 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Hon. Members, that brings us to the end of the Second Consideration Stage of the National Pension Reform Bill.
BILLS - THIRD READING 11:35 a.m.

Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Item 9,
Minister for Lands, Forestry and Mines?
Chairman of the Committee (Mr. J.
B. Aidoo): Mr. Speaker, before taking the Lands Commission Bill through the Third Reading, I beg to move, with your indulgence that this House takes the Bill through a Second Consideration Stage.
Mr. Speaker, there are some out- standing issues relating to clauses 5, 21 and 32. Mr. Speaker, if the House would
agree, we would go through the Second Consideration Stage.
Deputy Minister for Lands, Forestry
and Mines (Mr. Andrews Adjei-Yeboah): Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Lands Commission Bill
Chairman of the Committee (Mr. J. B. Aidoo) 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, the relevant amendments for consideration can be found on page 16 of the Order Paper. Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence, clause 5 as has been indicated there is a mistake. The right amendment that we sent to the office reads as follows:
“ensure that sound sustainable land use planning and land utilisation are consistent with long-term national development.”

Mr. Speaker, what we have in the Order Paper is what is now existing and your Committee proposes that paragraph (j), we delete and insert the following:

“ensure that sound sustainable land use planning and land utilization are consistent with long-term national development.”

Mr. Speaker, the purpose for this amendment is that the Commission is to create the enabling environment for socio-economic activities to take place. With the existing rendition, it appears that the Commission's responsibility is to ensure socio-economic activities being consis-tent with the long-term national development goals.

But that is not the responsibility of the Lands Commission. That in effect is the

responsibility of the National Develop- ment Planning Commission; for which reason, we are saying that the Commission should ensure that sound, sustainable land use planning and land utilization are consistent with the long-term national development.
Mr. Chireh 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what is advertised as “Notice of Amendment” is not what he is saying; so when did he add that?
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
He did it on his feet; that is all, he did say so. Are you in agreement with it or you are not? Make your contribution.
Mr. Chireh 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I have no objection to it but I wanted to find out, he added “land utilization” whereas what is advertised there is no “land utilization” there.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, what had been advertised here is what hon. Haruna Iddrisu proposed yesterday and was agreed upon. But then for further consideration, we believe that that should not be the case. The case is what I have stated now.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 5 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Clause 21.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg
to move, clause 21, paragraph (d), delete all the words after “registers” and insert
“which shall be conclusive evidence of title or interest in the land of a proprietor.”
Mr. Speaker, we debated this issue extensively yesterday and our position was that the insertion of the words “conclusive evidence” was to actually give credibility to the register. We debated it and we were
Mr. Chireh 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I support the amendment. I argued for the amendment in the first place because if you are creating a Land Title Registry and you do not have conclusive evidence there, anybody can go there and would not trust it. So I think that this amendment should not have been rejected in the first place. But now that it is so, I think it is in the proper direction.
Question put and amendment agreed to.
Clause 21 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 32 -- Funds of the Commission.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:45 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg
to move, clause 32, paragraph (c ), delete and insert the following:
“(1) the retention of an amount not exceeding 20 per cent of monies received by the Commission as charges or fees under this Act and any other enactment for services rendered by the Commission.”
Mr. Speaker, in the existing clause, the indication is that the Commission is to retain a proportion, it is not specific, and they considered this in tandem with the existing Act. In fact, we have the legislation for retention of Internally generated Funds for various Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs), and also for the Customs, Excise and Preventive Service.
Mr. Speaker, a number of agencies, MDAs have been given that opportunity to have some amount of retention. But in the case of the Lands Commission, there is nothing of that sort. Mr. Speaker, we
are trying to create a new Commission that can stand on its own feet and if you take the Survey Department in particular, every year what they request for they get just about 2023 per cent of their budgetary requests.
And if this is put there, since they are also a revenue generating agency, it is our conviction that they would be strengthened to work more effectively and therefore, deliver as required by their mandate. So Mr. Speaker, we want to believe that hon. Members would support this additional cost.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Why the 20 per cent?
Mr. Chireh 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, while agree- ing with the principles, I disagree with the formulation and also the place we want to put it. I remember that we passed an Act here categorizing what percentages. And from his own narration, if the people are not given enough budgetary support and they dwindle their own money, it is only proper that they should retain even 50 per cent. I also know that if we put it in this Act, it means every time we must come and amend it here while it is more appropriate for us to have left it out of this and for the Ministry to put it in the list that already -- and I wonder whether it is not already in the list that exists in the Acts that we have passed.
Therefore, if it is there, fine. Otherwise, we should go higher if you insist or we do not even mention it, we should say a percentage so that that would be determined from time to time, and if the need arises they can keep the whole thing for themselves.

My point here, Mr. Speaker, is that, I think we should not put it here because we have an Act that categorises all the

Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) and gives them the percentages they should keep of Internally generated Funds (IgFs). Therefore, if we put it here, it means that anytime we want an adjustment, it is the Lands Commission Act that we are going to amend.

But if we put it in that omnibus Act that we passed, it will be easier for the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to review yearly and bring it for us to amend; and it will cover as many MDAs as possible. Otherwise, if we put it in a substantive law like this it will be difficult to vary when there is the need for it. The amount he is also mentioning, given the need to resource them, is low. These are the two reasons.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
So you wanted it higher?
Mr. Chireh 11:55 a.m.
Yes, I wanted it higher but I also think it should not be here.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
Let us
listen to the hon. Minister of State.
The hon. Chairman of the Committee
has said that so far when they ask for allocation under your budgetary provisions, you do not give more than 25 per cent of what they ask and therefore, they want more enhanced retention of IgFs.
Dr. Osei 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is not exactly correct. It is Parliament that approves moneys for spending.
But Mr. Speaker, I agree partially with my hon. senior Colleagues. I think we are in the process of bringing back a second set of MDAs to this House. That is number one.
Number two, the issue of the particular
percentage, I think that it will be better that we meet with the Ministry and have a basis for coming out with the 20 per cent. I think that for the types of moneys that come from there, 20 per cent is a huge amount. So it is better for the Ministry that will sit down and in the next set of Ministries that we are bringing, we can come up with a proper percentage. If we bring it here, it makes it difficult for them. I do not want to, at this stage, be seen as opposing this percentage.
I think we should have a sound basis for coming out with the basis. As the hon. Deputy Minister knows, we have been having some discussions and I would crave the indulgence of the hon. Chairman to stand this down and let us have a discussion and come back the way that my hon. senior Colleague, the hon. Member for Wa West, is suggesting. It will be better for the Ministry that we do it that way.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
Hon. Minister, in one breath you are saying that it is a huge percentage and in another breath you are saying that you do not want to be seen to be opposing it. The hon. Member for Wa West would rather prefer it even enhanced. There is no basis for the enhancement.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
Hon. Chairman of the Committee, what do you say?
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in fact, if you look at the percentages for the various MDAs, that is according to Act 735, the least is 20 per cent. We have some of them 25 per cent; some 100 per cent, 50 per cent, et cetera. And of course, if one takes the retention of IgF for the Customs, Excise and Preventive Service (CEPS), that one is not exceeding 3 per cent. And in the case of CEPS, if one looks at the quantum of money that they collect, it is a very huge amount, so it cannot retain more than 3
per cent.
Now, in like manner, the Lands Commission, with all its agencies that have been brought together, will be collecting a lot of money. But the problem we have there is that at the moment if one takes the Survey Department, it is seriously under resourced and through- out the budgetary estimates that we have gone through, every year they do not get more than 22 per cent of their budgetary requirements.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
How much did you say?
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, they do not get more than 22 per cent. And that is the more reason why -- [Interruptions.] It is a fact.
rose
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
Hon. Minister, are you on a point of order?
Dr. Osei 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, my hon. Chairman, with all good intentions, I agree, but he may be misleading this House. These allocations are done at the headquarters. There is no MDA which makes a request and is given a 100 per cent of its request, per the nature of the constraints on the resources. There are issues relating to revenue generation in the Ministry that I think it is better to have consultation. But to use the basis that the least is 15 per cent is not accurate. There are reasons for choosing for numbers for every Ministry and I do not think he should want to put himself in that constraint right now.
We have been having some dis-cussions with the sector Ministry and I think that it is better we have consultation so that when we come back in the appropriate legislation, we can stand strongly on our
feet. At this point, it is difficult to a priori, justify the 20 per cent because there are some issues that I think it will better that we discuss them behind closed doors. It will help us form a more rational basis for coming out with the right percentages.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
Hon. Chairman, that is an appeal, what do you say? Other than that, I will have no choice than to put the Question?
Mr. A. Adjei-Yeboah 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to support the hon. Minister of State's argument. I was part of those who called the agencies to do the analysis for us to study and be convinced within ourselves, through the scientific form of it and know, the existing agencies -- There are huge degrees of inefficiencies within it.
With these new institutions that we are creating, we do not want to falter, one, in under resourcing them and two, over resourcing them. So we need as it were, to sit with the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and then allow those officers within the agencies to come and put the case before us, so that when we are determining the quantum we can be sure and clear within our minds.
So I support the assertion that we stand
it down and then consider it later on.
Mr. Aidooh 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, in that case, I think that the current provision, section 32, that they retain a portion of their sums, I would propose that we leave it as it is and when that figure is agreed, the hon. Minister amends the Retention of Funds Act, by a Legislative Instrument (L.I.). There is a law on this matter - that is Act 735. So we leave the right of the Ministry to retain a portion, so that when the Minister agrees with whoever on what percentage to retain, then he will just by an L.I. amend the Act 735 and that is it.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, with the position taken by the Executive on
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
It is on record.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, so, I have no objection whatsoever to the position taken by hon. Minister.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
Hon. Deputy Minister, you have the opportuni- ty for this House to be of assistance to your Ministry and you have, as it were, backed down and very seriously at this juncture. And for that matter, we will not blame the hon. Chairman. But as for the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning -- the Exchequer -- they will always prefer not to let go and for that matter -- [Interruption.]
Dr. Osei 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I crave the
indulgence of the Majority Leader. The analysis that he is talking about could be that we may come to a conclusion that is above 20 and so if we put it as it is then we are forced to come back and amend this Act. So I crave the indulgence, if we can just do the work that -- I think there is a little more work that need to be done, so that we can come back; so that if it is above 20 then their work could be done.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
It is not
this floor that would amend, rather we would amend some other L.I.
Mr. Aidooh 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if that is
his problem then we proceed with this; which says: “not exceeding”. So we go
ahead with it; when they have set the limit under 20 per cent or 2 per cent that amends Act 735 by an L.I. Whether the figure is lower or at 20 per cent it would not make a difference.
Mr. Chireh 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I think that
the Chairman is wasting our time and he should not do that. We have advised him; one way is earlier --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Why do
you say the Chairman is wasting our time?
Mr. Chireh 12:05 p.m.
Because we have advised
him to withdraw his amendment so that we could proceed. First and foremost, we are saying that we agree with him in principle, but where he is putting it is wrong; this is by legislative instrument (L.I.) which is easier than in putting it into the substantive Act which amendment would take a longer period. Now, his Ministers are agreed. So all he needs to do is say, I have withdrawn the amend-ment; and that is all.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
But that is exactly what he has earlier on said and there have been other comments from some other Members of this House. The Chairman has done nothing wrong at all; indeed, on the contrary he was pushing for the Ministry which committee he chairs. I think it is a good sign of what one can do for a sector Ministry. Be it as it may you are being advised to withdraw your amendment. Could you do that so that we make progress?
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I
withdraw the amendment.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Clause
32 --
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, that is
also consequential; I withdraw.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
That brings
us to the end of Second Consideration
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Now, we
have a very important Bill as well as the motion itemized as number 10 on page 4 of today's Order Paper -- Northern Development Fund Bill. [Interruptions.] Tomorrow? Fair enough.
Mr. Aidooh 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, motion number 10.
rose
BILLS -- SECOND READING 12:05 p.m.

Dr. A. A. Osei 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that the Northern Development Fund Bill be now read a Second time. Mr. Speaker, the development gap between northern ghana and southern ghana --
Mr. Chireh 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am still
on my feet. As the available Leader now present I would prefer that we take this motion tomorrow, because some of our colleagues who want to contribute to the debate are doing research.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
They are doing what?
Mr. Chireh 12:05 p.m.
Research.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
On this motion?
Mr. Chireh 12:05 p.m.
On this Bill. Mr. Speaker, the second reason is that the Bill is referring to a strategic development plan and it is a document that many of
our Members have not read, which would inform them on the issue of this Bill. That is why I would prefer that we put it for tomorrow. Tomorrow would be all right. We have so many things to do today; so why?
Mr. Aidooh 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I insist that we go ahead.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Hon. Majority Leader, the hon. Member says they are doing research, would you not be a bit considerate; you are too hard on him. [Laughter!]
Mr. Aidooh 12:05 p.m.
I insist Mr. Speaker, that we go ahead.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
You are sure?
Mr. Aidooh 12:05 p.m.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Well, continue.
Mr. H. Iddrisu 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will plead with the Majority Leader to appreciate the point of view of the hon. Member for Wa West, Mr. Chireh; He is speaking for and on behalf of the Minority Bench and many of our Members -- Mr. Speaker, as you are aware, President Nkrumah initiated some of these interventions and we need to appreciate where we got, where we fell foul of and I think even this morning, in preparation for the Bill we invited one of our policy experts, the hon. Member for Wa Central, Mr. Rashid Pelpuo to give us some additional information and Mr. Speaker, he is not available.
Many of our Members from that part of the country will have very useful inputs to support this Bill. We have no objective at all to it; it is something we embrace, but we think that Mr. Speaker, at the Second Reading, once the policy issues are looked
at there would be valuable inputs coming from both sides and I think that it is only fair.
This is not to end the business for today; we still can go to the consideration of the National Communications Authority Bill and possibly the Electronic Transac-tions Bill so that tomorrow, with Mr. Speaker's guidance we could pick up this important Bill. It is such a major interven-tion that we must subject it to a thorough national debate. With this, Mr. Speaker, I hope that the Majority Leader will review -- I hope I have persuaded him enough.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Hon. Chairman, before I ask for the final position of the Majority Leader --
Nii Adu Daku Mante: Mr. Speaker, I am of the view that whatever research has to be done was done at the committee stage which ended or resulted in the proposed amendment which are in your report and which I am prepared to present to you -
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Hon. Chairman of the Finance Committee, the hon. Member is saying they are conducting research; you would not determine which research they want to do that --
Nii Mante: Mr. Speaker, I am saying that the research that is being conducted, if it is so, cannot have any effect on the Second Reading at this stage. It may probably have effect at the Consideration Stage --
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Why do you say that?
Nii Mante: We are only coming to talk about the principle behind the Bill.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Chairman, why do you say that?
What is the basis for your saying
that you only do research with regard to Consideration?
Nii Mante: I thought the research would have some bearing on the Bill and which bearing would be at the Consideration Stage and no more.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
You are wrong.
rose
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Please,
you have made your contribution on that. I want to hear finally his position again. Hon. Leader?
Mr. Aidooh 12:05 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, tomorrow.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
Tomorrow, very well. Indeed, great Leader who makes concessions.
Now, what do we do? I want to be advised. So your movement has been arrested midfield; we will come to it tomorrow.

Borrowers and Lenders Bill
Dr. A. A. Osei 12:15 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move, that the Borrowers and Lenders Bill be now read a Second time.
Mr. Speaker, the Bill seeks to provide
an improved general legal framework for credit including improved standards of disclosure by both borrowers and lenders and to promote a consistent enforcement framework related to credit. This Bill will build on legislation which applies to different aspects of the credit relationship.
Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I beg to move.
Dr. A. A. Osei 12:15 p.m.


Question proposed.

Nii Mante: Mr. Speaker, I rise to

present your Committee's Report:

1.0 Introduction

The Borrowers and Lenders Bill, 2008 was presented and read the first time in the House on Friday, 17th October, 2008.

The Bill was subsequently referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report in accordance with article 103 of the Constitution and order nos. 125 and 169 of the Standing Orders of the House.

The Committee met and considered the Bill with the Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Dr. Anthony Akoto Osei, officials from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, Bank of ghana and the Attorney-general's Department and hereby presents this report pursuant to order no. 126 of the Standing Orders of the House.

2.0 Reference Documents

In considering the Borrowers and Lenders Bill, the Committee referred to the following documents, among others:

1. The 1992 Constitution of the Republic of ghana

2. The Credit Reporting Act, 2007 (Act 726)

3. The Bank of ghana Act, 2002 (Act

612)

4. The Banking Act, 2004 (Act 673)

5. The Companies Act, 1963 (Act 179)

6. Standing Orders of the House.

3.0 Background

Credit relationships between lenders and their customers are subject to a number of general laws. These include the Contracts Act, 1960 (Act 25), Mortgages Act, 1972 (NRCD 96), Home Mortgage Finance Act, 1993 (P.N.D.C.L 329), Hire Purchase Act, 1974 (NRCD 292), Chattels Transfer Act, 1952 (Act 51), the Companies Act, 1963 (Act 179) and the Finance Lease Act, 1993 (PNDCL 331), inter alia.

These laws provide generally for certain aspects of the rights and obligations of parties to a credit agreement.

This Bill builds on these pieces of legislation which apply to different aspects of the credit relationship in order to promote greater disclosure and consistent enforcement framework.

4.0 Object of the Bill

The object of the Bill is to provide an improved legal framework for credit, to improve standards of disclosure of information by borrowers and lenders, to prohibit certain credit practices, promote a consistent enforcement framework related to credit and to provide for related matters.

5.0 Contents of the Bill

The Bill contains a total of 38 clauses and a Schedule.

Clauses 1 to 5 deal with preliminary matters. The Bill applies to all credit agreements between parties who deal at arm's length. It however, does not apply to credit agreements that cover an amount

of less than one hundred ghana Cedis (gH¢100) or an amount to be determined by the Bank of ghana.

These clauses also provide the meaning of “credit agreement”, “credit facility”, “credit transaction” and “credit guarantee”.

Clauses 6 to 12 provide for the supervisory and enforcement role of the Bank of ghana. The Bank is empowered to promote and support the development of a fair, transparent and competitive credit market. The Bank is given the mandate to conduct investigations as it considers necessary where it has reason to suspect that a person has committed an offence under the Act or has been guilty of fraud or dishonesty.

Clauses 13 to 17 provide for borrowers' rights. These include the right to apply for credit, protection against discri-mination, the right to receive documents, and confidentiality of borrowers' personal records.

A person however, does not have the right to require a lender to enter into a credit agreement with that person.

A person aggrieved by the decision of a lender may make a complaint to the Bank of ghana for redress.

Clauses 18 to 19 deal with disclosure of information. There is a requirement for the pre-agreement disclosure of total cost of the credit. In soliciting for clients, a lender's written solicitation must disclose the name and business address of the lender, the lender's current annual interest rate and other costs of credit.

Clauses 20 to 31 deal with repayment and recovery of debt, collateral registry and registration of charges.

Clauses 32 to 35 cover enforcement of borrowers' obligations in the event

of default. Lenders are empowered to give the borrower a notice of default in writing and request the borrower to pay the amount within thirty days. A lender may enforce its rights against the borrower who fails to pay the outstanding amount or make satisfactory arrangement to do so after the receipt of the notice.

Clauses 36 to 38 contain miscellaneous provisions. These include annual reports, regulations and interpretation.

6.0 Observations of the Committee

The Committee observed that the Bill includes consumer protection mechanisms to ensure that borrowers are able to exercise their rights without being penalized or being made to suffer other detriments by the lender.

The Committee also noted that the Bill will improve the credit relationships between lenders and borrowers and encourage lenders to provide more credit to consumers.

It was further noted that the Bill empowers the Bank of ghana or its authorized agents to inspect the books, accounts, documents and transactions of a lender, borrower or employer. This is to ensure compliance with the provisions of the Act.

A person who has an interest in a charge is to register a certified copy of the charge with the Registrar of charges and collaterals within twenty-eight days after creation of the charge.

The Committee observed that this requirement for registration is in addition to the requirement under section 107 of the Companies Act, 1963 (Act 179).

7.0 Amendments Proposed

The Committee proposes the following amendments to the Bill:

i. Clause 1 -- amendment proposed -- subclause (1) (a), line 2, delete “and made within or has effect within the ountry”.

ii. Clause 1 -- amendment proposed -- on top of the headnote “Application” insert “Preliminary Matters”.

iii. Clause 1 -- amendment proposed -- subclause (2) (i), delete “organ of state” and insert “institution of state” wherever it appears in the Bill.

iv. Clause 1 -- amendment proposed -- subclause (2) (iii), delete “in terms of a legislation” and insert “by an enactment”.

v. Clause 1 -- amendment proposed -- Subclause (3), paragraphs (a) and (b), delete “Republic of ghana” in both paragraphs and insert “country”

vi. Clause 2 -- amendment proposed -- delete and insert the following:

“Meaning of credit agreement”.

2. For the purposes of this Act, a credit agreement is an agreement in the nature of a credit facility, a credit transaction, a credit guarantee or any combination of these in which the lender --

(a) resides or has its principal

office within or outside t h e country;

(b) is an institution of State;

(c) is an enti ty controlled by

an institution of State; or

( d ) i s a n e n t i t y c r e a t e d b y

an enactment.”

v i i . C lause 3 -- amendment

proposed -- l ine 1, delete “provides” and insert “is”.

v i i i . Clause 3 -- amendment proposed -- paragraph (a), line 1, delete “pay” and insert “lend”.

i x . C l a u s e 4 - - amendment proposed -- p a r a g r a p h ( d ) , d e l e t e “leave” and insert “lease”.

x. Clause 5 -- amendment proposed -- line 1, after “credit” delete “agreement” and insert “guarantee”.

x i . C l a u s e 6 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (1)(a) line 2, delete “and industry”.

x i i . C l a u s e 6 - - a m e n d m e n t p r o p o s e d -- subclause (1)(f), delete “notices” and insert “orders”

x i i i . C l a u s e 6 - amendment proposed -- subclause (1)(h) line 1, between “report” and “annually” insert “to the Minister”.

xiv. Clause 9 -- amendment pro- posed -- subclause (4), delete “afford” and insert “give”.

x v . C l a u s e 1 0 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (1)(d), delete “count” and insert “court”.

x v i . C l a u s e 1 0 - - amendment p roposed - subclause (2)(b), line 1, delete “those” and insert “the”.

x v i i . C l a u s e 1 1 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (1), line 2, delete “of rights”.

x v i i i . C l a u s e 1 1 - - amendment p roposed - subclause (1) line 2, delete “has”.

x i x . C l a u s e 1 1 - - a m e n d m e n t p r o p o s e d - subclause (1)(a), at the beginning, insert “has”.

x x . C l a u s e 1 4 - - amendment p roposed - subclause (1), line 2, delete “sex, tribe” and insert “gender, ethnicity”.

x x i . C l a u s e 1 4 - - a m e n d m e n t p r o p o s e d -- subclause (1)(f), delete “applicable legislation” and insert “any legislation relating to credit”.

x x i i . C l a u s e 1 5 - - amendment proposed -- line 1, delete “shall” and insert “may”.

x x i i i . C l a u s e 1 5 - - amendment proposed -- paragraph (f), delete “of the borrowers choice” and insert “agreed between the lender and the borrower”.

x x i v . C l a u s e 1 7 - - amendment proposed -- at end, add “or by a court”.

x x v . C l a u s e 1 8 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (1) line 3, delete “first”.

x x v i . C l a u s e 1 8 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (2)(a), delete “debt” and insert “amount”.

x x v i i . C l a u s e 1 8 - - a m e n d m e n t p r o p o s e d -- subclause (2)(b), delete

[NII MANTE] “ d i s t r i b u t i o n ” a n d insert “disbursement schedule.”

x x v i i i . C l a u s e 1 8 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (2), add a new paragraph as follows

“ ( g ) t h e p r o p o s e d repayment schedule”

x x i x . C l a u s e 1 8 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (3), delete “commits an offence and” and at end, add “imposed by the Bank of ghana”.

x x x . C l a u s e 1 9 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (2), line 1, delete “in-person”.

x x x i . C l a u s e 2 0 - - amendment proposed -- headnote, delete “right t o s e t t l e a g r e e m e n t ” and insert “obligation”.

x x x i i . C l a u s e 2 1 - - amendment proposed -- line 1, delete “to”.

x x x i i i . C l a u s e 2 3 - - amendment proposed -- after “charges” insert “or collateral and perform other functions as determined by the Bank of ghana”.

x x x i v . C l a u s e 2 4 - - amendment proposed -- line 2, delete “or” and insert “and collateral”.

x x x v . C l a u s e 2 5 - - amendment proposed -- headnote, at end add “and collateral”.

x x x v i . C l a u s e 2 5 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (3), line 2, after “effect” delete “and” and insert “as”.

x x x v i i . C l a u s e 2 6 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (1) (f), delete “short”.

x x x v i i i . C l a u s e 3 0 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (2), line 2, delete “and” and insert “or”.

x x x i x . C l a u s e 3 3 - - amendment proposed -- paragraph (b), at end add “on notice to the person in possession of the property”.

x l . C l a u s e 3 4 - - amendment proposed -- last but three lines, delete “five thousand penalty units” and insert “five hundred penalty units” and in the last but one line, delete “five thousand” and insert “fifty”

x l i . C l a u s e 3 6 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (2) (a), delete “action” and insert “actions taken”

x l i i . C l a u s e 3 6 - - amendment proposed -- subclause (2) (c), delete “eff ic ient” and inser t “effective”.

x l i i i . C l a u s e 3 7 - - amendmen t p roposed -- delete and insert the following:

“The Minister may, in consultation with the Bank

[NII MANTE] of ghana, by Legislative Instrument, make regula- tions for the effective implementation of this Act”.

8.0 Conclusion

The Committee has carefully examined the Bill and finds that it will help to bring sanity to the relationship between borrowers and lenders who deal at arms length.

The Committee therefore, recommends to the House to adopt this report and pass the Borrowers and Lenders Bill, 2008 subject to the amendments proposed.

Respectfully submitted. Mr. Kenneth Dzirasah (NDC --

South Tongu): Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the motion and to indicate that inasmuch as this Bill is intended to improve human relationship with established financial institutions it is in the right direction.

But Mr. Speaker, many hon. Members

of the Committee have been worried over one particular provision which gives automatic right to lenders to foreclose or to take over properties that are used as security for the money lent without recourse to the courts. Mr. Speaker, this is a very crucial matter.

Experience abounds in the country where some other form of financial institutions confront their borrowers and in the process what they do is, whilst even in traffic these institutions are able to impound vehicles belonging to people who are perceived to be indebted to them and they leave such persons in grave difficulty.

Mr. Speaker, I think this is not a matter that we should encourage. There is enough protection under the law for the

banks and that at least, at the minimum, what we should expect this Bill to provide for should be that should there be any decision to foreclose any property the person who is likely to suffer must be given adequate notice.

Mr. Speaker, apart from this, I think the

Bill is in the right direction and I would like to support it.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
Hon.
Members, it appears that the impression is that it is not a controversial motion and therefore, I would have wished to put the Question unless of course hon. Chireh wants to express his sentiments.
Mr. J. Y. Chireh 12:15 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want
to contribute to it and to re-emphasise the point that he was making about foreclosure and the fact about the notice we are talking about. There was an argument about whether they should even go to court and then they said, no, if we do that lending and borrowing will be a difficult problem.
I think this Bill is important in the sense that once we have passed related Bills like the Credit Reporting Bill we should have a comprehensive thing and it is now easier for lenders to know the status of borrows, whether they are good borrowers or bad borrowers.
With this Bill passed it will be easier and that is why we should not allow anybody to pounce on somebody who owes him, just foreclose his property and throw out people from their residences. I think that any other Bill that is related to this one which will make it more effective should be considered early for a comprehensive way of having this Bill.
With this Bill also it will eliminate
people who lend at very high rates. We were having difficulty whether we should include such people or not but there are some people who operate outside this and they charge exorbitantly and I believe that
if we consider it necessary we may have to bring amendments to include some of them and make them more formal. That is the only way we can also grow our economy. But if we allow so many people to operate outside the formal economy and do things that will not promote the development of the country, then we will have difficulty.
On this note, Mr. Speaker, I support
the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
The Borrowers and Lenders Bill was
accordingly read a Second time.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
What is
the position now?
Dr. Osei 12:15 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I want to stand
down motion number 12. The report is not ready.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
What about
motion 13. Chairman of the Committee, are you all right? Do you want us to move ahead with it?
Nii Mante: That is so, Mr. Speaker.
MOTIONS 12:15 p.m.

Mr. Haruna Iddrisu (NDC -- Tamale South) 12:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to associate myself with the motion for the approval of the sum of $180 million for the construction and equipping of a 500-bed Military Hospital including residential staff housing in Kumasi.
Mr. Speaker, in doing so, may I refer
you to page 3 of your Committee's Report. Mr. Speaker, if you look at lender's commission - two per cent, that will work out to some US$3.6 million, and Mr. Speaker, that is cost. I do not see why in going for a loan facility, we should be giving the lender a huge commission, two per cent; that is a lot of money, US$180 million, if you work two per cent of it,

US$3.6 million. I think that it is on the high side.

Mr. Speaker, my other comment has to do with underwriting charges, three per cent of the cost. I also think that it is an issue that we will need some explanations from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning. I also find the maturity period - if you look at paragraph 5.0 of your Committee's report - talking about commencing four years from now, for US$180 million is too short a period for this amount of money.

The principle and the object is supposed to support a major hospital. We need to improve upon the quality of healthcare, we need to improve upon maternal and infant mortality and anything that will go to improve upon it must be supported by this House. Mr. Speaker, but when we are going for these loans, I think that those who negotiate for and on behalf of the government of ghana must demand that some of these issues are done in our national interest.

Mr. Speaker, may I refer you again to paragraph 4.1 of your Committee's Report.

“The agreement requires that all taxes, duties, licensing fees, stamp fess and other applicable charges related to the execution of the project and incurred in ghana, would be borne by the government of ghana”.

Mr. Speaker, another obligation is being created for the government of ghana. I do not know whether those who have drafted this contemplate that there can be tax waivers or grant of tax exemption. But when you say that the government of ghana would bear all other applicable charges, I do have a difficulty with that.
Mr. Haruna Iddrisu (NDC -- Tamale South) 12:25 p.m.


We can narrow ourselves that taxes, duties, licensing and stamp related duties can be borne by the government of ghana. But if you say that applicable charges, we do not know what those applicable charges will be. So if the Egyptians come and say that they have incurred this liability - additional money, the govern-ment of ghana would be required to bear. Mr. Speaker, that is problematic.

Mr. Speaker, if you look at the background, we are being told that the Ministry of Defence has been working at this in the last five years. Mr. Speaker, it is important that we demand equity in this matter. For instance, the Effia-Nkwanta Hospital in the Western Region -- I was in Sekondi this weekend, and it is in such a deplorable state. I do hope that the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning would be encouraged to look and to source for some loan facility in order to support that particular hospital to serve that corridor of the country.

I am saying this because very recently there was a foundation laid at the Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology (KNUST) to support the construction of an additional Teaching Hospital in the Ashanti Region, and specifically in Kumasi. We have been taking money consistently in the last three years from the National Health Insurance Scheme to support the Accident Centre at the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital (KATH). So one would be asking how are we equitably distributing our resources such that other areas of the country benefit? For instance, the Tamale Teaching Hospital is in such a poor state, very sorry and deplorable state.

Mr. Speaker, I regret to announce that even laundry at the Tamale Teaching Hospital is hand washed. You are washing infections; yet the University of Development Studies (UDS) Medical

School is supposed to be supported by the Tamale Teaching Hospital. I hope that the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and the government would take urgent steps in ensuring that the Tamale Teaching Hospital is also rehabilitated.

We have heard too many promises. I recall that the hon. Minister for Health was in this House sometime in June 2005 to give us an assurance that they had secured funding and work was going to commence. That has not started; we are still giving additional resources to where at least some resources have gone to support healthcare.

Talking about Bolgatanga, I have noticed that there is some US$12 million facility. Mr. Speaker, look at the variation in the figure. When it comes to Bolgatanga Teaching Hospital, US$12 million. I can understand that Kumasi, Ashanti has one of the major populations in the country, and therefore, it is important. But you see, when you bring US$180 million and for another region you bring US$12 million, I will do some mathematical deduction, and it is worrying. Wa Regional Hospital is also - [Interruption] -- Wa Hospital must be elevated to a Regional Hospital.
rose
Mr. H. Iddrisu 12:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am just
making this, I support the amendment, and I think that we will encourage government to look at this.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
Hon. Boahen Aidoo?
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 12:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I will make my own contribution because the hon. Member has finished.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
Has he
finished?
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 12:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, by his own admission he has finished.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
Hon.
Haruna Iddrisu, by your own admission you have finished? Fair enough.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo (NPP -- Amenfi
East): Mr. Speaker, to start from where he ended; comparing amounts in respect of what is going to be provided in Kumasi as against what is in Bolgatanga or Wa is neither here nor there. Mr. Speaker, what is going to happen in Kumasi is a new hospital which is going to be established.
Mr. Chireh 12:25 p.m.
On point of order. Mr.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
Hon.
Yieleh Chireh, you are out of order.
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 12:25 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, we all know that 37 Military Hospital is actually giving support to Korle-Bu Teaching Hospital. When you go to Kumasi, Kumasi caters for the Western Region, for the Brong Ahafo Region, even for the Northern Region because of its centrality. Therefore, there is a lot of pressure on the
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 12:25 p.m.


Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital, and that is the more reason why this facility is coming in a very timeously manner.

Mr. Speaker, what it is going to do is that, it is going to relieve some of the pressure on the Komfo Anokye Teaching Hospital, and I believe that as your Committee's Report indicated, it is not only going to serve the military, it is also going to serve the civilian population. And to me this facility is very important; the honourable House should give its support to its approval, and it is my belief that the hon. Minister would address the issues relating to the lender's commission and then the underwriting charges. He should give us some insight into the percentages that have been indicated.

Mr. Speaker, with this, I am urging hon. Members to support the motion.
Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC -- Jomoro) 12:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, first, we have a lot of charges. We have talked about them. The total charges is coming to 5.5 per cent of the loan then I wonder -- there is no background on this Euroget de-Invest S.A. of giza, Egypt, for us to know who they are. And there is nothing to show that due diligence has been done for us to go in for this US $180,000,000.00 loan from this organization.
Thirdly, Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member for Tamale Central (Mr. Haruna Iddrisu) has raised very pertinent issues about the distribution of health facilities. I have had the occasion on this floor, when debating the National Health Insurance formula to raise the issue of having spent half a trillion on the Komfo Anokye accident centre. And I was given assurance on this floor that that would be the last and that issue was also raised at the Finance and
Mr. Lee Ocran (NDC -- Jomoro) 12:35 p.m.


Health Committee and they also said that would be the last and that any subsequent investment would be in Effia Nkwanta. If there is a major accident in Effia Nkwanta the person will have to be evacuated all the way to Accra.

And Effia Nkwanta remains in a very sorry state. I do not see why we should concentrate all our efforts in one area whilst other places are left out. Now we are going to drill oil there. Accidents of oil rigs can be very serious ones; where do we send the people? I think that we must learn to spread evenly our facilities so that we do not over concentrate them in one place. If Kumasi is going to have a teaching hospital -- a new one -- and then we are going to have a new military hospital -- then you have spent half a trillion on the accident centre.

Every time we ask you say oh, it will support the northern side of the country. What about the southern side? The distance between here and Tarkwa is over 180 miles and if that is so, people are involved in accidents at the mines -- where do we send? So whilst I do not have any objection to establishing more hospitals in the country I think we should try and spread our facilities evenly.

This loan has too many charges -- .5 per cent here, 2 per cent there, 3 per cent there - too many charges which should be properly explained to us and we want due diligence; we want to know who this Euroget de-Invest S.A. of giza, Egypt are so that we are very sure of what we are doing.

With these words, Mr. Speaker, I think we must defer this loan agreement for some time.
Dr. A. A. Osei 12:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, first,
I want to commend my Colleagues for
making valuable contributions. But Mr. Speaker, we have to be very careful, we need to put this in context. We are talking about not any other hospital but a military hospital. In ghana today, we have the northern command and the southern command. My good friend, Lee Ocran, if he is listening, knows that the northern command starts from the Ashanti Region all the way up to all the three northern regions where there are military installations -- major ones, Kumasi, Sunyani, et cetera.
The one in Accra fortunately has the military hospital as we have it. If you care to go back and estimate the cost of rehabilitation and again additional rehabilitation of 37 Military Hospital you will be talking about hundreds of millions of cedis. So it is that comparison that we should be making. What does it cost us to put up a military hospital to rehabilitate 37 Military Hospital over the years. It is that comparison we should be making. All such visits by military people, we have to take to 37 Military Hospital.
So we are trying to distribute it more equitably but because the northern command starts from Kumasi which serves these populations that is why it is being relocated there. It will not serve only Kumasi, it will serve the northern command, military as well as civilian. So you do not compare it to Komfo Anokye.
If this is done what you get is a similar situation where you have Korle- Bu and 37 and then Komfo Anokye and this hospital. But we should not forget that until recently, the situation at Komfo Anokye in Kumasi was so bad. It is only in the last four or five years that this new centre has been done.
So you can imagine the pressure on Komfo Anokye for not only military
people but as well as civilians. It is in that vein that the military has sought to balance out the pressure on their resources not only for military people by the way but as well as civilians. There is a huge contingent of our armed forces in this part of the nation and we know that these days we have been experiencing a lot of conflicts in this part. It is important that we reduce the pressure on 37 Military Hospital and spread it around.
Clearly, if it is easier, and I think it probably will be quicker to fly from Takoradi maybe to Kumasi on a helicopter. But now you do not only have to come to 37 Military Hospital. You have an option. So I think that we should welcome the fact that we are not only able to reduce the pressure on 37 Military Hospital but we will be able to have an additional facility.
I agree with him. We need to have more health facilities all over. My constituency has one of the largest in terms of usage. Apart from Komfo Anokye and Korle- Bu I am sure more people go to Tafo Hospital than any other hospital. But it is only recently that the number of rooms have increased. It used to be only ten rooms. In fact, if you look at the history from Ministry of Health, we have in the last ten years established very nice hospitals in parts of the country where the usage is so small. You know it.
All those hospitals that have been established, most of them 35 million euros and above. So if you talk about distribution you have to be very careful. Even there are places where only 10 cars pass in a day but we have established 35 million euros hospitals. This is a fact.
Mr. Ocran 12:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister is saying that there are some areas where only ten cars pass a day and there are 35 million euros hospitals. Mr. Speaker, if he could give me an example. I do not know, if he could give me an example that will enlighten me.
Dr. Osei 12:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I am sure if he
goes to the Ministry of Health they will give him a full description of all these hospitals.
Mr. Speaker, let me go to his concern about cost. Mr. Speaker, we do appreciate his concern. If you go to the current financial environment, cost comes in a variety of ways -- commissions, underwriting charges, interest rates and other ways -- Depending on the type of offer that is made you have to get the best balance. If you look at the memorandum very carefully, you will notice that the interest rate is 1.6 per cent.
Mr. Speaker, I do not know how many places that these days you can find a facility of 1.6 per cent. It is therefore, not surprising that other charges come in to make up a bit of a difference. But you cannot have your cake and eat it, Mr. Speaker. Our bond cost 8.5 per cent. Even if you add all these charges you are still below the 8.5 per cent. The truth is that they are only able to offer you 1.6 per cent but they have to make it up somewhere. And so instead of getting an interest rate of 10 per cent and a commission of say -- it is part of the charges. Look at it in totality and then the repayment period.
All those factors combine to determine the true cost. It could have been at two per cent and then to be financed only over three years. This is an 18-year facility renewable every three years and this is
where the cost, if you look at what we get in other places, it is not out of the norm.
So Mr. Speaker, I want to thank all my Colleagues. I believe that if we are able to approve this facility our nation will benefit greatly not only for our Armed Forces but also for our civilian employees.
Mr. Speaker, with these few words, I support the motion.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
Someone
else also made comments about taxes and duties. I do not know whether you can react to it.
Dr. Osei 12:35 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, the point there is
that we will be coming to this House when we want to come and ask for waiver, so we have taken note of that. Being borne does not mean that government will pay. I think the law allows for this Parliament to review these taxes and we will come here at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Hon. Members, at this juncture, the con- sequential Resolution, I am not too sure; we want to take it right now? Chairman?
Consequential Resolution, fair enough.
RESOLUTIONS 12:45 p.m.

THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 12:45 p.m.

H E R E B Y R E S O LV E A S 12:45 p.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Nii Adu Daku Mante) 12:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Loan Agreement between the government of the Republic of ghana and the African Development Fund for an amount of ninety million Units of Account (UA90,000,000), (equivalent to US$141,000,000) for the Third Poverty Reduction Support Loan (Multi Donor Budgetary Support).
Mr. Speaker, in so doing, may I present to you your Committee's Report. The background is at page 1, terms and con- ditions are at page 2 and the Committee's observations and conclusion are at pages 3 and 4. 1.0 Introduction
The above loan agreement was laid in the House on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 and referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report in line with article 181 of the Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
The Committee met with the Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Dr. Anthony Akoto Osei, the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Prof. george gyan-Baffour and Officials from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning to consider the Agreement and report as follows: 2.0 Background
As part of the government's efforts to contribute to economic growth and in
Chairman of the Committee (Nii Adu Daku Mante) 12:45 p.m.


order to reduce poverty in the country, the government of ghana has agreed to undertake a number of reforms aimed at improving governance in relation to public financial management, energy reforms, and private sector development as well as mainstreaming gender.

These policies are ongoing and they are aimed at improving the:

private sector the energy sector to ensure increase access to energy provide the necessary regulatory framework among others.

Although a number of successes have been achieved, these reforms have encountered some implementation challenges including:-

1. Inadequate physical infrastructure 2. weak capacity of the public sector to

deliver services to the private sector

3. the need to improve budget trans- parency

4. weakness in the payroll management and administration among others.

This budget support is to be used to support the 2008 budget which aims at implementing these reforms in order to improve governance among others.

3.0 Objectives

The objective of this budgetary support is to improve governance in relation to public financial management, energy reforms and private sector development as well as mainstreaming gender.

4.0 Terms and Conditions of the Loan

The terms and conditions of the Loan are as follows:

Loan Amount -- UA90.00million (equivalent US$ 141.00 m)

S e r v i c e C h a r g e -- 0.75 per cent per annum on principal amount of the Loan disbursed and outstanding from

time to time

Commitment Charge -- 0.5 per cent per annum on the undisbursed p o r t i o n o f the Loan, which shall begin to

accrue one hundred and twenty (120) days after signing of the loan Agreement

in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution, section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335).

Respectfully submitted.
Dr. Benjamin Kunbuor 12:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I second the motion.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Hon. Members, it also appears it is a very straightforward motion and for that reason I will put the Question.
Question put and motion agreed to.
GOG/ADF Loan Agreement
Dr. A. A. Osei 12:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335), the terms and conditions of any loan raised by the govern-ment of ghana on behalf of itself or any public institution or authority shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution sup- ported by the votes of a majority of all Members of Parliament;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Consti- tution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335) at the request of the government of ghana acting through the Minister responsible

grace Period: -- 10 years

Repayment Period -- 30 years (exclusive of grace period) Repayment shall be made semi-annually on 1st January and 1st July each year.

5.0 Observations

The Committee observed that the facility is to support ghana's in order to contribute to economic growth and poverty reduction.

The Committee noted that though the Loan is a budget support, it is targeted at improving public financial management, support the ongoing energy reforms as well as mainstreaming gender.

The technical team informed the Committee that the expected outcomes under the programme include the following:-

1. conducive and cost-effective business environment

2. transparent budget process

3. compliant budget execution to the public procurement

4. efficient and effective public service

5. decentralized fiscal framework; and

6. cost-effective and sustainable energy sector.

The Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Dr. Akoto Osei informed the Committee that the Loan is for budgetary support and would be disbursed in three equal tranches. The disbursement would be done within three years beginning this year, 2008. 6.0 Conclusion

In view of the benefits to be derived from the implementat ion of this programme, the Committee recommends to the House to adopt this report and approve by resolution the Loan Agreement between the government of ghana and the African Development Fund amounting to UA 90,000,000 (US$141 million) for the third Poverty Reduction Budget Support loan (Multi Donor Budgetary Support)

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for Finance, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of the Loan Agreement between the government of the Republic of ghana and the African Development Fund for an amount of ninety million Units of Account (UA90,000,000), (equivalent to US$141,000,000) for the Third Poverty Reduction Support Loan (Multi Donor Budgetary Support).
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 12:45 p.m.

H E R E B Y R E S O LV E S A S 12:45 p.m.

MOTIONS 12:45 p.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Nii Mante) 12:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the
Credit Facility Agreement between the government of the Republic of ghana and Agence Francaise de Developpment for an amount of €5,000,000 to support the Natural Resources and Environment governance Programme (NREg).
Mr. Speaker, in so doing, may I present to you your Committee's Report.
1.0 Introduction
The Loan Agreement between the government of the Republic of ghana and Agence Francaise de Developpment (AFD) for an amount of five million euros (€5,000,000.00) in support of the Natural Resources and Environment governance Programme (NREg) was laid in the House on Tuesday, 21st October, 2008 and referred to the Finance Committee for considera-tion and report in accordance with article 103 of the Constitution and order no. 171 (1) of the Standing Orders of the House.
The Committee met and considered the Agreement with the Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Dr. Anthony Akoto Osei, Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning, hon. Prof. george gyan-Baffour, and a technical team from the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning and presents this report.
2.0 Background
The Natural Resources and Environ- ment governance (NREg) Programme is a multi donor sector budget support programme aimed at preventing the degradation of the country's natural environment and resources.
Activities under the programme focus on sectors that are concerned with the erosion of the country's natural capital. These sectors include the forestry, biodiversity and the mining sectors as well as the environmental protection agencies.
3.0 Purpose of the Loan
The purpose of the loan is to support the implementation of the Natural Resources and Environment governance Programme.
4.0 Terms and Conditions
The terms and conditions of the Loan are as follows:
Loan Amount -- €5 million
Repayment period -- 20 years
grace period -- 10 years
Maturity -- 30 years
Interest Rate -- 1 per cent
grant Element -- 58.73 per cent
5.0 Obvervations
The Committee observed that the NREg programme would enhance ghana's growth potential by improving upon policy development for natural resource extraction and use. It will also promote environmental protection activities and efforts towards minimizing the export of illegally acquired natural resources, especially wood.
The Committee again observed that the NREg programme has an implementation period of 5 years and that the following Development Partners (DPs) have pledged to support the programme with the amounts listed below:
Netherlands -- €35 million
European Commission -- €12 million
World Bank -- €23.3 million
AFD (France) -- €5 million
DFID (UK) -- €9.5 million.
The Committee noted that the project will strengthen the institutional and legal framework of the targeted sectors, ensure a better law enforcement and improve the financing of agencies involved in environmental protection. It will also enhance the predictability, execution and efficiency of sector policies aimed at controlling natural resource exploitation.
The Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning informed the Committee that the interest on the loan shall be due and payable on the Payment Dates, which are on 30th April and 31st October of each year.
Disbursement of the loan will be done by five (5) annual tranches of one million euro (€1,000,000.00) each.
6.0 Conclusion
The Committee recommends to the House, in view of the foregoing obser- vations, to adopt this report and approve by RESOLUTION, the Loan Agreement between the government of ghana and Agence Francaise de Developpment (AFD) for an amount of five million euros (€5,000,000.00) in support of the Natural Resources and Environment governance (NREg) Programme in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution, section 7 of the Loan Act, 1970 (Act 335) and the Standing Orders of the House.
Respectfully submitted.
Dr. Osei 12:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Mr. Chireh 12:45 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, if you look
Mr. Chireh 12:45 p.m.


at the number and the Resolutions we are taking it is not correct.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Item 18.
GOG/Agence Francaise de Developpment Credit Agreement
Minister of State at the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning (Dr. A. A. Osei (on behalf of Minister for Finance and Economic Planning): Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335), the terms and conditions of any loan raised by the govern-ment of ghana on behalf of itself or any public institution or authority shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution supported by the votes of a majority of all Members of Parliament;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Consti- tution and section 7 of the Loans Act, 1970 (Act 335) at the request of the government of ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of the Credit Facility Agreement between the govern-ment of the Republic of ghana and Agence Francaise de Developpment for an amount of €5,000,000 to support the Natural Resources and Environment governance Pro-gramme (NREg).
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
I will put the Question.
Question put and motion agreed to.
Resolved accordingly.
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Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
That brings us to the end of the Consideration Stage of the Internal Revenue (Registration of Business) (Amendment) Bill.
Internal Revenue (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill
Clause 1 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
The Long Title ordered to stand part of the Bill.
The Short Title ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Mr. First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
That is
the end of the Consideration Stage of the Internal Revenue (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill.
At this juncture, I want to listen to you, Hon. Minister.
Mr. Aidooh 12:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, item 22 on the Order Paper.
Mr. Chireh 12:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, item 22 is a very bulky document and it is a very complex area that we are going into. The advertisement has just been made. I think that given the number of hon. Members in this Chamber and the importance of this Electronic Communications Bill, we should not take it today; we should adjourn. Some hon. Members have just come in but they look tired. [Interruption.]
Mr. Speaker, I do not think we can take it. I see that the National Communications Authority Bill is advertised as item 19. Why then are we jumping from 19 to 22? We should go back to item 19.
Mr. Aidooh 12:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, at your instance, I beg to move, that we adjourn proceedings at this stage and re-convene tomorrow morning at ten o'clock.
Mr. Chireh 12:55 p.m.
Mr. Speaker, I second the motion.
Question put and motion agreed to.
ADJOURNMENT 12:55 p.m.