Debates of 17 Nov 2009

MADAM SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:35 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:35 a.m.

Madam Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Hon Members, Correction of Votes and Proceedings and the Official Report.
We move on to the Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Friday, 13th November, 2009. Pages 1-5 --
Mr. Alfred W. G. Abayateye 10:35 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, my name appears on page 5 among Hon Members who were absent, but I was at your committee workshop at Koforidua, so it should be under “absent with permission”. I was on the Committee on Employment, Social Welfare and State Enterprises. Myself as number 1, with numbers 34, 35, 42, 46, 47, 48, 50, 62 and 64, we were all at your committee meeting at Koforidua. So we were absent with permission.
Madam Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Thank you. Any
more corrections on page 5?
Mr. Joseph Boahen Aidoo 10:35 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, on paragraph 7, the last line, we have the word “Proceedings”. I think here, it is being used as a proper noun instead of an abstract noun. It should be “proceedings”.
Madam Speaker 10:35 a.m.
So what is the
correction?
Mr. J. B. Aidoo 10:35 a.m.
The “P” should not be capital. It should be “proceedings”.
Madam Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Pages 610? [Pause.]
Hon Members , the Votes and Proceedings of Friday, 13th November, 2009 as corrected is adopted as the true record of proceedings.
Can we now move on to the Official Report of Wednesday, 11th November, 2009? Any corrections?
Hon Members, in the absence of any corrections, the Official Report of Wednesday, 11 th November, 2009 is hereby adopted as the true record of proceedings.
We move to the Official Report of
Thursday, 12th November, 2009.
Mr. J. A. Bosompem 10:45 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, this is in reference to Thursday, 12th November, 2009 Official Report -- [Interruption] - Madam Speaker, I hope I am right? I hope we are on the Official Report of Thursday, 12th November 2009?
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Thursday, 12 th
November, 2009, yes, that is the Official Report.
Mr. Bosompem 10:45 a.m.
All right, that is what
I want to comment on.
Mr. Bosompem 10:45 a.m.
Thank you, Madam
Speaker.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Which paragraph?
Mr. Bosompem 10:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker,
column 700, paragraph (2), line 4, if you may permit me to take the whole sentence.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Yes.
Mr. Bosompem 10:45 a.m.
“If you take that figure and you match it against the total contractual payments made in that year, which appears on the last table on page 12, that stop is . . .,”
I think what actually went on was , “that amounts to . . . US$173,782,150”. So if “that amounts to”, could be substituted for “that stop is”.
Then, Madam Speaker, the last but one
paragraph, line 7, and if I may take the whole thing and read:
“Definitely, we should be convinced that the system is not good, the system that p r o c e s s e d the data is not good and we have a responsi-bility to assist them to get a better system that could be linked, preferably to all those contributors of this data into the centre, an electronic data, of course, linked up to all the contributors.”
Madam Speaker, after the “ electronic data”, there should be “processing system, of course”.
Finally, I think the last paragraph of my
speech that day was that I thanked Madam Speaker, but it was omitted.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Thank you. Any
other correction?
Mr. Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I am sorry to take us back to the Official Report of Wednesday, 11th November, 2009.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Paragraph?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, it is in connection with the Answers which were provided by the Hon Minister for Communications. Madam Speaker, Questions have been asked of the
Hon Minister, the Hon Minister came to answer those of them which were marked with asterisk or for oral delivery. Those of them for written deliveries, the Hon Minister wrote the Answers and submitted same to the Hon Members concerned. We raised the issue about the procedure and I think it generated some heat in the House.
Madam Speaker, our Standing Orders are very clear on this, Order 64 (4) says 10:45 a.m.
“A Member who desires an oral answer to a Question shall mark it with an asterisk. Answers to Questions not so marked shall be communicated in writing to the Member asking the Question and shall be printed in the Official Report.”
That is our Hansard - the Official Report is our Hansard. The Answers that were written and communicated to the Hon Member have not found expression in the Hansard and that is why I said we should look at it.
Maybe, we have not explored that avenue very well and so we are not too sure of the precedent. But indeed, the Standing Orders are very clear on this, that after submitting the Answer to the Hon Member concerned, the Answer should then be printed in the Hansard so that it becomes a reference point. So that in future if anybody wants to hold the Hon Minister on those Answers provided, that Hon Person could so do.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Indeed, that is what the Standing Order says. [Pause.] Yes, Hon Member, I think it is there, it should be printed.
Hon Leader, he has made a good point
that the Standing Order says it should be printed in the Official Report.
Mr. A. S. K. Bagbin 10:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I was not here that day to know
what happened but the Standing Order is exactly what he quoted. I do not know what happened, whether those Questions were put on the Order Paper. If they were and it was accepted that those Answers be communicated to the Hon Member according to the Standing Order, they should have been captured by the Official Report and that is the Hansard. So he is very, very correct and I think that it should be done. Since this is just the draft, the final Report should capture them.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Thank you, Leader.
Any other corrections in the Official Report of the 12th of November, 2009?
Dr. Kofi Asare 10:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker,
on the Official Report of Thursday, 12th November, 2009, at column 679 -
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Column?
Dr. Asare 10:45 a.m.
Column 679 - a question I posed has been attributed to “Rev. (Dr.) Joses Asare-Akoto”. I think that is a mistake; it was posed by “Dr. Kofi Asare”, not “Rev. (Dr.) Joses Asare-Akoto”. [Pause.]
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Yes?
Dr. Asare 10:45 a.m.
Column 679 -
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Column 679, yes?
What is the correction there?
Dr. Asare 10:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the
question I posed has been attributed to “Rev. (Dr.) Joses Asare-Akoto”. It should be corrected to “Dr. Kofi Asare”.
Madam Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Kofi Asare-Akoto?
Dr. Asare 10:45 a.m.
No, “Kofi Asare”, that is
all. There is “Joses Asare-Akoto” and there is “Kofi Asare”, we are two different people.
Madam Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Thank you. Any

Hon Members, the Official Report

of Thursday, 12th November, 2009 as corrected represents the true record of proceedings.

We move to item 3 -- Questions. Is the Hon Minister for Food and Agriculture here?
Mr. Bagbin 10:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I want to seek your permission and the indulgence of my Hon Colleagues to allow the Hon Deputy Minister for Food and Agriculture to answer the Questions for and on behalf of the Hon Minister for Food and Agriculture.
Madam Speaker, the Hon Minister himself indicated that he would not be available today because of a conference of the FAO. But we thought that the Ministry was delaying in answering the Questions, so, I insisted that the Questions be tabled for today and we would try to see whether we could not get any of his Deputy Ministers to answer them on his behalf.
The Hon Minister would have preferred appearing himself and answering them, but I thought it was going to delay the work of the House and that is why we tabled them for today and the Hon Deputy Minister had been mandated by the Hon Minister to come and answer them on his behalf.
So, it is with this that I am seeking your permission and the indulgence of my Hon Colleagues to permit the Hon Deputy Minister to answer the Questions for and on behalf of the Hon Minister for Food and Agriculture.
Mr. Hackman Owusu-Agyemang 10:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, protocol is protocol. I think either the Hon Majority Leader or the Hon Deputy Minister has assumed that
this House will always oblige to what he says. He is already sitting in the chair there. Until Madam Speaker has agreed, he cannot come and sit on the chair for Ministers who come to answer Questions..
So, am I to assume that it was all pre- arranged or something? [Laughter.] I do not know why he is sitting there. He has to go and sit at his place and when it is allowed then he can come and sit there. Sitting there means that he has been endorsed by the House and Madam Speaker -- I do not know whether the Hon Leader has already assumed that we are a rubberstamp Parliament, so we will do whatever he says.
Madam Speaker, I think that the Hon Deputy Minister has to go and sit where he has to sit and then he will come properly when he is so authorised.
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Madam Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Yes, Hon Leader?
Mr. Bagbin 10:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I think that my Hon Colleague is just -- well, let me leave that word and say that I really invited him to consult him so that what I discussed with the Hon Minister could be confirmed whether he is the one mandated -- There are a number of Deputy Ministers in the Ministry and they are here. So he had to come and confirm that he is the one that has been mandated to come and answer the Questions on behalf of the Hon Minister.
We will never assume that this Parliament is a rubberstamp and in fact, that is why I requested the permission of the Speaker and the indulgence of my Hon Colleagues. If I assumed that it was a rubberstamp, I would not do so. And if the House, for example, decides that it will not listen to him, he will definitely, as an

Hon Member of Parliament just resume his seat. But I think that I invited him to make sure that I was on sound footing and not to assume that the Hon Minister had mandated him. That is what we simply did.
Madam Speaker 10:55 a.m.
However, Hon Leader, I think it was a legitimate point because I myself did not see him as the Minister, so I kept asking, “is that the Minister?” At that time, you were consulting. So I think if the consultation had happened earlier, this objection would not have arisen.
However, since you have made the application, I think Hon Members would indulge you so that he answers the Questions, unless the Hon Minority Leader wants to come in. He says “with your indulgence”. I have no objection and I hope the House agrees with me that, it will be nice to move the work forward if we have the Deputy Minister?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, since you are supposed to give the final ruling or guidance, I thought you were going to hear from us. But you have already pre-empted what I was going to say by saying that you have no objection. If I should say we have an objection, it will be swimming against the tide and I do not want to do that. So we will agree, considering the fact that the Hon Colleague is an Hon Member of this House, we should indulge him.
Madam Speaker, the critical issue is, there are two different sets of Questions; one relating to fisheries and the other relating to agricultural farm stations and irrigation schemes. We just want to know whether the Hon Deputy Minister is the one who has the schedule, because we know the other Hon Deputy Minister has a schedule for animal husbandry.
Is it the case that they are going to change baton or that he is going to handle all the Questions? That is because we do not want to get to a situation when the Hon Deputy Minister holding the fort, when a supplementary question is posed, would then say that “can you give me time to come back properly?”and so on. It will not be pleasing to this House at all. So if we can have that certification, then we will go on.
Madam Speaker, thank you.
Mr. Bagbin 10:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I do not have the accreditation to give certificates. So this certification might come from, I think, credible and reliable sources. What I have is an authority to assure my Hon Colleague that the Hon Deputy Minister is mandated to answer all the Questions with regard to food and agriculture.
He was appointed as an Hon Deputy Minister of State and he was not specifically given the position of crops, livestock or fisheries in his appointment He is an Hon Deputy Minister of State at the Ministry of Food and Agriculture and he has the mandate of his Minister to respond to all the Questions.
So my Hon Colleagues should be assured that he is capable, willing and ready to answer the Questions today.
Madam Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Well, Hon Minority Leader, you have your answer, shall we now move on to the Questions?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, no problem.
Madam Speaker 10:55 a.m.
Thank you.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:55 a.m.
Madam
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:55 a.m.


Speaker, I hope we will not experience any bumps and hiccups?
Madam Speaker 10:55 a.m.
The first Question
stands in the name of Hon Aquinas Quansah, Mfantseman West. Hon Member, ask your Question?
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 11:05 a.m.

MINISTRY OF FOOD AND 11:05 a.m.

AGRICULTURE 11:05 a.m.

Mr. Quansah 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, when are they relaying the regulations for the Fisheries Act because this thing has been around for so long, but fishermen are doing their own thing. I would like him to tell us, specifically, when those regulations would be laid.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the regulation has already been submitted to Parliament and it has been programmed for re-laying soon.
Mr. Quansah 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, my problem is the “soon”. How soon is the “soon”?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, as I indicated, the Ministry has submitted the regulations to Parliament and it is up to Parliament to programme it for the re- laying. So it is not the Ministry that has to programme the workings of Parliament.
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Madam Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Is it an objection? We have not finished with -- Have you finished?
Madam Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon Members, let
us have an eye on time; we have one hour for Question time.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, is the Hon Deputy Minister saying that as of now, it is not illegal for fishermen to use dynamites, DDT,
et cetera, to fish in Ghanaian waters? Is that what the Hon Deputy Minister is telling us?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, we have not made any such indication.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I want to read the Hon Deputy Minister's Answer, in the last paragraph for him to clarify to us and the people of this nation the legal position. So on what basis is the Hon Deputy Minister saying that the marine - sorry, the penultimate paragraph says and Madam Speaker, with your permission I quote:
“. . . monitoring compliance and enforcement of fisheries regulations at the national level. The Govern- ment is in the process of securing two (2) fisheries patrol vessels to enable them to effectively carry out sea surveillance and arrest fisher- men who engage in unorthodox fishing methods.”
What then would be the legal basis for the surveillance to arrest fishermen who engage in unorthodox fishing methods? If the Hon Deputy Minister is not sure, would he assure this House that he would go and check on his facts and come and advise this House as to the true legal position?
Madam Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon Member, the Hon Deputy Minister did not say he was not sure; he has not said so yet. So let us get his answer first.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, very well. So on what legal basis would the patrol vessels be sent to enable them effectively carry out sea surveillance and arrest fishermen who engage in unorthodox fishing methods, if there is no law banning the use of DDT, dynamite, small fishing nets, et cetera?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, we
already had a law; the Fisheries Act 625 is in existence.
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Madam Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Hon Member, you cannot have three questions. The Hon Member for Tarkwa/Nsuaem, Mrs. Gifty Kusi?
Mrs. Gifty Eugenia Kusi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, since we have a specific case in Mfantseman West, it has been reported by their Member of Parliament (MP) that they are doing this. What is the Ministry going to do urgently, because if it were not urgent, their Member of Parliament would not say it? What is the Ministry going to do because this calls for a specific action for them to stop?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I did not hear the question well.
Mrs. Kusi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I want to ask the Hon Deputy Minister, since we have a specific case in Mfantseman West, reported by their own Member of Parliament, what is the Ministry going to do specifically and urgently to arrest the situation now?
Madam Speaker 11:05 a.m.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minister?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I am not privy to the case she is talking about, but we are working feverishly around the clock to ensure that monitoring is effectively done.
Mr. Hackman Owusu-Agyemang 11:05 a.m.
Madam Speaker, lest the wrong impression be sent to the outside world -- I think the Hon Deputy Minister says in his Answer,
“When this is effected, the legal basis for prosecution of those who infringe on the law would be established.”
The message that he sent out to the world
is that there is no legal basis to arrest them now and I believe the Hon Deputy Minister is wrong. So he should come back properly. He should do his research, come back properly and not send out the wrong message to the people who are doing illegal fishing out there that there is no legal basis for arresting and prosecuting them.
Is that what he is saying? He has to come out very clearly, so that we know what we are talking about.
As it is now, he is giving them comfort by saying that there is no legal basis for their arrest and misdemeanour. Is that what he is saying? Can he, please, explain or come properly to the House and give us the basis of his Answer? It is not correct; certainly, it is wrong.
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minister, did you get the question?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:15 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I
have already indicated that we have the Fisheries Act, Act 652 in existence. We have a law; we are only talking about the regulations which will give effect to the law. But the law is in existence -- [Interruptions.] Maybe, the construction -- if that is the construction then there is a flaw.
Mrs Akosua Frema Osei-Opare 11:15 a.m.
Madam Speaker, will the Hon Deputy Minister therefore, consider removing this last paragraph from his Answer? This is because it is being captured that, now they do not have a legal basis to prosecute. So if the Hon Deputy Minister now admits that really, there is a legal basis to take action on this matter, then, would he please consider withdrawing this last paragraph from his Answer, so that we can move forward?
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minister, you were asked whether there were laws and your answer says that there is a law, is it not? You said there is a law? Are you talking of the Act or the regulation?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:15 a.m.
Madam Speaker,
I am saying that we have the law in existence, Act 625, that is the law.
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Then explain that
last paragraph.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:15 a.m.
Madam Speaker, that
is why I indicated that the last paragraph is inconsistent with -- [Interruptions] -- Absolutely.
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, there are a catalogue of inconsistencies here. The Hon Deputy Minister says the Fisheries Act is Act 625. The Hon Deputy Minister is referring to Act 652 in one breath, then most recent, he said 265. [Interruptions] He is also saying that we are now to consider the last paragraph as inconsistent with the Answer that he has given. The Answer is not only printed but he himself has read it to this House. If we are to expunge it, what would we be left with? And what would be the action that he is prescribing to confront this menace?
If we expunge that portion - First of all, I think we did not get it appropriately captured in the Hansard - Is he saying that we should expunge the last paragraph from the Answer?
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Well, Honourable, he did not say “expunge”, it was this side of the House -- A question came as to whether it should be expunged but it is already there so what he can do is to be questioned on it; you cannot expunge it, it is there, is it not?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, precisely what I have asked. The question that was asked by the Hon Member for Sekondi, he did not speak to
the microphone. He just said “Absolutely” in response to what he said, that is why I am asking that, are we to expunge the last paragraph from the Answer? That is to the Hon Deputy Minister.
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Yes, Honourable,
before he answers the question, are we permitted to expunge things from Hansard if he says it? Well, Honourable, what is your answer to this?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:15 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister standing in for the Hon Minister earlier on said - He admitted that that portion is inconsistent. I am quoting his own words - “Inconsistent with the Answer given”. So we are asking whether we should then expunge it if it is inconsistent? This is a simple question.
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Honourable, can
you answer the question now? Hon Deputy Minister, the question is, since your Answer is inconsistent with the last paragraph, that people will not be prosecuted until laws are made when there are already laws, should it be expunged?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:15 a.m.
Yes, Madam Speaker, the last paragraph that suggests that there is absolutely no law is inconsistent with the fact, so that portion should be withdrawn. [Hear! Hear!]
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister earlier on said that the regulations had been laid in Parliament. Will he agree with me that the regulations are not in Parliament as we speak today?
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
Honourable, if you
read it again, it says: “. . . are soon to be re-laid before Parliament.” Does that mean it is in Parliament?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, in an answer to a supplementary question he said that the regulations were in Parliament and therefore, the matter was in the hands of Parliament. That is what he said.
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
But Honourable,
since he has withdrawn that paragraph, can we go on? At this stage, there is no last paragraph; has he not withdrawn it?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, is that the position, that the last paragraph is withdrawn?
Madam Speaker 11:15 a.m.
He says it should
be withdrawn and you say we can do it, so if it is not there, can we?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
Madam Speaker, that being the case, the Question is?
“ . . . asked the Deputy Minister for Food and Agriculture what measures were being adopted to ensure that fishermen in the country, especially those in the Mfantseman West Constituency, stopped using unorthodox methods of fishing such as the use of lights, dynamites, DDT and unapproved nets.”
If he expunged that paragraph, what is the Ministry doing?
Mr. Bagbin 11:25 a.m.
Madam Speaker, this
House passed the Fisheries Act, Act 625 and in that Act, some of the illegal methods that are specifically stated in the Answer are captured but others are not. The Fisheries Act, definitely, use of dynamites, DDT and unapproved nets are clearly stated to be illegal but there is no mention of use of lights and there is a provision allowing the Hon Minister to regulate it.
In the regulations, there is likely to be
mentioned of additional methods that we would consider to be illegal and that will be added. And that is what had given the Hon Deputy Minister some difficulty in properly capturing the sense of the law.

I think that the sentence

“When this is effected, the legal basis for the prosecution of those who infringe on the law would be established”

is wrong. But, I think that it would not be proper for us to delete -- not withdraw -- delete the whole paragraph. I do not think that would do us a good service. I think that that sentence could be deleted from the Answer, and then we could say -- [Interruption] -- Sorry, I am not the Hon Minister, so I cannot say -- but I think that the proper thing to have been captured is for the Ministry to talk about the proper processes in arresting and prosecuting the offenders, which is lacking in the regulation.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:25 a.m.
Madam Speaker, what is happening here is unprecedented in the history of this House, where the Hon Majority Leader purports to be answering Questions posed to a Minister -- [Uproar]-- That is exactly what he is doing. If he has any advice, he ought to advise the Hon Deputy Minister who is answering the Questions. He cannot, and it should never be allowed, a situation where the Hon Majority Leader would rise to contradict what a Deputy Minister, who, he has stated is competent to overcome all the -- whatever -- the stumbling blocks and veer round the major potholes involved in the Questions. He cannot be permitted to do that.
I agree with him, he the Hon Deputy Minister may be in difficulty. But the Hon Majority Leader's role as a coach is to coach the striker to shoot into the net from
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Some Hon Members 11:25 a.m.
Coach! Coach!
Mr. Bagbin 11:25 a.m.
Madam Speaker, well, I did not know the role of a Majority Leader is to be a coach of the Ministers. My Hon Colleague was a Majority Leader before, and I knew that he was not a coach.
Madam Speaker, what I was simply saying was the fact that this is now captured in our Official Report, and I am trying to, as much as possible, let us see how it could be properly captured to give clarity to Hon Members. That is all that I am doing -- [Interruption] -- And in doing that, I am simply giving guidance so that the Hon Deputy Minister would come and answer the Question properly for them -- [Laughter.]
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:25 a.m.
Madam Speaker, just before you go. The sequel to the issue raised by my Hon Colleague from Sekondi, our rules are very clear. The Hon Majority Leader referred us to the Act, yes, we do know the Act. The Act empowers the Ministry to act in a specific way; we all do know that. But what are Questions about? Madam Speaker, Order 62 (2) is very clear on this:
“Questions relating to matters which are under the control of a statutory body must be restricted to those matters for which a Minister is made responsible by law or which affects general policy of that statutory body.”
Madam Speaker, 62 (1) 11:25 a.m.
“Questions may be asked of Ministers relating to public affairs with which they are officially connected . . .”
Madam Speaker, in this matter, the Act
that the Hon Majority Leader is referring
Mr. Bagbin 11:25 a.m.
Madam Speaker, just to clarify the issue. I just referred to the Act because the Act captures some of the issues mentioned in the Question, but not all. So I am saying that the use of the words “basis for prosecution” --[Interruption] -- Because some of the things mentioned in the Question are not captured in the Act, which could be captured in the regulations. That is why I referred to the Act. I am not saying that I am preventing the Hon Deputy Minister from answering the Questions, no. He is going to do that.
But -- [Interruption] -- he is not amending, he is adding to. [Some Hon Members: How? How?] -- Yes, regulations -- [Interruption] -- No, regulations are entitled correctly to add to, not amend.
We are talking about use of lights; we are talking about illegal methods and we mentioned some of the illegal methods in the Act. The regulations can add to some of the illegal methods, there is nothing wrong with that. And I am saying that what has been mentioned in the Question with regard to dynamites, DDT and unapproved nets are mentioned in the Act, but things like use of lights are not mentioned in the Act. And I believe strongly it is an illegal method of fishing, which can be captured in the regulations. There is nothing wrong with that.
Madam Speaker 11:25 a.m.
Yes, Hon Members, thank you. Let me rule on this matter. I think two points have been raised. The first point is to deal with removal of the last paragraph. I did seek the advice of the Hon Minority Leader; he says it can be done. What I noticed about the intervention of the Hon Majority Leader is that he is also saying that the whole paragraph needs not be removed except a line.
In this, I do not think he is out of order if he also tries to help because the Hon Minority Leader had asked that the whole paragraph be deleted. And “deleted” as he says, I think he is making a modification to the deletion of the whole paragraph, in which case, he would be perfectly within his rights to suggest it.
However, I accept that he does not answer the Question for the Hon Deputy Minister, and I do not think the House is averse to a Minister being coached because from what I heard, he could ask a few -- or be helped along -- [Laughter] -- But he cannot himself answer the Question for him. And I think that we should underline that here, but he is not precluded from coaching.
So, Hon Majority Leader, if your intervention was meant to modify the part that is to be deleted, which the Hon
Minority Leader had said and agreed to, but you are saying it is only the offending line, that is, “the basis for prosecution for those will be established…”, then you were perfectly right. And we must ask the Hon Deputy Minister what he thinks about this, because he had agreed that he would delete the whole -- and you are suggesting that it is only the offending line.
So you are permitted to put a question, Hon Member, yourself. If you want to put a question to him again -- [Interruption] -- No, actually, I meant the Hon Majority Leader, he can also put a question to him -- [Laughter] -- Can you not?
Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I thought that the last paragraph is where the Deputy Minister states exactly what they want to do or what they cannot do in the absence of the Instrument that is referred to. So I asked that if he says that we should delete that paragraph, what one says, is to constitute the methods that he is employing -- to combat the menace, that is, as of now. That is the question that I posed to the Hon Deputy Minister.
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Hon Deputy
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:35 a.m.
Thank you very
rose
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
No, I was just
bringing him back.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:35 a.m.
Madam
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Thank you. Hon
Member, this is because I do not want you to be misinformed.
Hon Deputy Minister, he asked the question, can you answer it?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker,
what the Ministry is seeking to do is to facilitate the establishment of committees both at the local level and at the District Assembly level so that these committees will be trained to be able to monitor the operations of the fisher-folk. So this is exactly what we are seeking to do.
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
The answer has
come.
Honourables, I think we have five more Questions; already we have spent half of the Question time, so shall we move to the next Question from Hon Gabriel Kodwo Essilfie, Shama? Can you ask your Question?
Mr. Gabriel Kodwo Essilfie 11:35 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, my Question seems to be the same as the very Question we have just addressed and I would like, with your permission, to stand down the substantive Question and rather ask the supplementary question, if that is permitted.
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Well.
Mr. Essilfie 11:35 a.m.
But if that is not permitted,
I will go ahead and ask the same Question.
Government's Policy on Fishing (Monitoring Mechanism)
Q. 168. Mr. Gabriel Kodwo Essilfie
asked the Minister for Food and Agriculture
Mr. Essilfie 11:35 a.m.


what monitoring mechanism had been put in place to enforce Government's policy forbidding the use of carbide, dynamite, DDT, under-sized mesh nets and lights for fishing in our territorial waters.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the response to this Question is the same as I gave to Question 167.
Madam Speaker, I may have to repeat that the Community Based Fisheries Management Concept (CBFMC) was introduced in 1997 as a way of directly involving fishing communities in co- managing fisheries resources with the Government. However, we are counting on the Community-Based Fisheries Management Committees to lead in monitoring and reporting breaches of the fisheries law with respect to this particular issue.
Madam Speaker, the Monitoring, Control and Surveillance (MCS) Division of the Fisheries Commission is also responsible for monitoring compliance and enforcement of fisheries regulations at the national level. When the Government secures the two fisheries patrol vessels, it will enhance the capability in sea surveillance and the arrest of fishermen who engage in unorthodox fishing methods.
Thirdly, the amendment being envisaged as regards the enforcement of the Fisheries Act 625 will be an added impetus to our efforts in checking the illegal methods used in our fishing industry.
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Honourable, do you have more questions?
Mr. Essilfie 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, as a
supplementary question, I would like to ask the Deputy Minister for Food and
Agriculture when the two fishing patrol vessels would be secured to carry out the surveillance needed to enforce the law.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, by
the end of the first quarter of next year, these vessels would have been secured.
Mr. Essilfie 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, as
my second supplementary question, I would like to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister, since we now have the Eco-Brigade working at the beaches throughout the Ghanaian shores, whether the Ministry will consider in the regulation and enforcement of the Act, empowering the Eco-Brigade workers to cause arrests of fishermen who flout the law.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker,
rose
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Is it a point of order? Is it a question? Because he has a last question to ask. Honourable, ask your last question.
Mr. Essilfie 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, as a
final supplementary question, I would like to know from the Hon Deputy Minister the local or community-based fishing enforcement groups or co-managing groups -- I would like to know their substance and where they may be in the localities so that those of us who are so much pressed by our fishermen about these unorthodox methods can approach them for the necessary action.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:35 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the
community-based committees are present in all the twenty District Assemblies along the coast. Apart from that we also have another committee within the District
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:35 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, since the Ghana Navy is responsible for protecting the seas in respect of which Ghana has control, will the Deputy Minister, pending the procurement of these patrol boats, consider collaborating more effectively with the Ghana Navy such as providing resources for fuel and lubricants for their patrol boats to more effectively patrol the waters of this country so as to stop these unorthodox fishing activities by fishermen as it was one of the major, major reasons why the National Democratic Congress (NDC) was voted into power in the fishing communities along the coast?
Madam Speaker 11:35 a.m.
Honourable, the last sentence, I am not sure whether he knows that was why the National Democratic Congress (NDC) was voted.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 11:35 a.m.
Madam
Speaker, I will withdraw that last portion which sought to state that it was one of the reasons why the National Democratic Congress (NDC) was voted into power along the fishing communities to stop the unorthodox fishing.
Madam Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Thank you, Hon Member. Yes, answer the question up to that point.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the collaboration between the Ghana Navy and the Ministry of Food and Agriculture is there but I think that there is the need to strengthen it.
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Madam Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Last question, please.
Mrs. Catherine Abelema Afeku 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, in the Hon Deputy Minister's Answer, he said that these committees at the district level were facing various challenges -- organizational capacity, poor human resource and inadequate financial resource. So how are they functioning to help solve these challenges as enumerated by my Hon Colleague?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, as I indicated earlier, what the Ministry seeks to do is to first build the capacities of the committee members. Secondly, the Ministry is facilitating the gazetting of the bye-laws for the District Assemblies so that it can be used to prosecute defaulters at the local level.
Madam Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Hon Member, can we move on? We have three more Questions and I think we have already exhausted our Question time. So we move quickly on to the Question from Hon Stephen Kunsu -- Kintampo North.
Ghanaian Sustainable Mango Value Chain Project
(Implementation)
Q. 169. Mr. Simons Addai (on behalf of Mr. Stephen Kunsu) asked the Deputy Minister for Food and Agriculture what plans the Ministry had to implement the Ghanaian Sustainable Mango Value Chain Project submitted by Sustenance Agro Ventures of Kintampo and approved by the World Bank and its partners at the Global Development Marketplace in 2008.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the
Ghanaian Sustainable Mango Value Chain Project is a private-sector initiative which was submitted as one of the entries to the World Bank's 2008 Global Development Marketplace Competition. The Ministry
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.


of Food and Agriculture has been reliably informed that even though the proposal did not qualify for a grand prize, it was adjudged one of the 100 finalists. These finalist organizations are expected to seek funding to implement their programmes.

Madam Speaker, it is important to mention here that, this project has not yet come to the attention of the Ministry. It was an individual proposal that was submitted without the attention of the Ministry for the award. Luckily, it won a prize and we will expect the author to submit to us a copy for our study and see if it can be given a trial in Ghana.

The Ministry of Food and Agriculture will, therefore, follow up on this project to determine what level of assistance it can provide to ensure a successful project implementation.
Mr. Addai 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, if an individual submitted this proposal and was among the 100 finalists, I want to find out how the Ministry is relating with this individual to improve upon his proposal.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I have already said that it has not come to our notice officially, though it is a very good project. We are requesting him to submit his proposal for consideration and we think that when we get the proposal, we will determine what level of assistance to provide him.
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Mr. Addai 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I want to find out how soon the Ministry will follow up with this project to determine what level of assistance they can provide.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, we are requesting the author to submit the proposal. So our intervention depends on how soon the proposal is submitted to the Ministry.
Madam Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Thank you. Shall we move to the next Question which stands in the name of Hon Stephen Kunsu?
New Longoro Irrigation Project (Completion)
Q. 170. Mr. Simons Addai (on behalf of Mr. Stephen Kunsu) asked the Minister for Food and Agriculture what steps the Ministry was taking to complete the New Longoro Irrigation Project at New Longoro in the Kintampo North Constituency.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the New Longoro Irrigation Project is one of the twenty-five (25) schemes under the Small Scale Irrigation Development Project funded by African Development Bank, which provides 80 per cent, the Government of Ghana which provides 15 per cent and the Irrigation Farmers Association which provides five per cent.
The New Longoro Irrigation Project was awarded to Messrs Uniquesco Limited on 11th November, 2002 and was scheduled to be completed by December
2005.
While the initial progress of work was going on satisfactorily, the contractor suddenly slowed down for no reason, and eventually abandoned site. Therefore, the contract was terminated together with four others in June 2007 by the new interim management committee, which took over from the former project management committee that was dissolved in June,
2007.
After going through the procurement process, the New Longoro Irrigation Scheme was subsequently re-awarded to Messrs SAT Engineering Construction Limited in September, 2007 and was scheduled to be completed by December,
2009.
Progress has been satisfactory and
work is substantially completed. This means that the scheme has been completed as related to the designs.
A few defects were, however, identified during the assessment and the contractor is correcting them.
Ghana Irrigation Development Autho- rity has advised the community to use the facility during the defects liability period so that any operational problems that may manifest as a result will be identified and corrected.
Eleven (11) fish ponds have been constructed; seven (7) are holding water perfectly, and four (4) have minor valve defects which the contractor has been notified and he is effecting the corrections.
The Fisheries Directorate has also been contacted to organize the farmers' training in aquaculture for eventually take- over and usage.
Mr. Addai 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I want to find out whether the Fisheries Directorate has started training fish farmers in aquaculture. If not, when will they start?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the Ministry is waiting for the facility to be handed over to the communities before we initiate the process of training them in aquaculture development.
Mr. Samuel Atta Akyea 11:45 a.m.
Madam Speaker, in the Hon Deputy Minister's Answer, it is very clear that this project, to all intents and purposes, was initiated by the NPP Government but there is no acknowledge-ment in his Answer. Now, this is a serious project - [Interruptions] - I want to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister why he will not want to acknowledge such an important project as the handy work of the NPP Government.
Madam Speaker 11:45 a.m.
Yes, do you have an answer for him? He is asking why?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the
answer speaks for itself . . .

Agricultural Farm Stations (Revamping)

Q. 171. Mr. Samuel Johnfiah asked the Minister for Food and Agriculture if the Ministry had any plans to revamp the various agricultural farm stations that were facing or had faced extinction in order to encourage both crop and animal production.
Mr. EFfah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the Ministry of Food and Agriculture currently has seven livestock breeding stations where grand-parent stocks are kept to produce breeding stock for distribution to participating breeders and prospective farmers.
These stations are: Farm
Species of Livestock
1. Babile Station Local Pigs
2. Amrahia Dairy Farm Dairy Cattle
3. Ejura Station Sheep
4. Pong Tamale Station Cattle, Sheep, Pigs, Goats
5. Kintampo
Goats
Mr. Johnfiah 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister has stated in his Answer that 41 stations were all divested and handed over to the Divestiture Implementation Committee. I believe he wanted to state that they were earmarked for divestiture and listed by the Divestiture Implementation Committee. If that is the case, may I know from him the current status of these farms that were to be
divested?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker ,the 41 stations have already been divested, leaving the seven (7) stations which are being run now.
Mr. Johnfiah 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I do not want to challenge the answer the Hon Deputy Minister has given but I know that when the Hon Minister for Finance and Economic Planning came to answer Questions on the status of the Divestiture Implementation Committee, he brought a list of companies that had been divested and none of these farms stated was listed in it. That is why I want to ask the Hon Deputy Minister about the current status.
If they have not been divested then the next question is, what effort is the Ministry making to reappraise these funds so that they can bring them to life?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I have already indicated that they have been divested. Maybe, it was an omission on the part of the Hon Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning. The divestiture is now complete.
Mr. Johnfiah 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister is saying that the 41
were divested because they were not economically feasible. May I know if the remaining seven (7) are making profits and if they are, how much they are making in a year, if he can tell us?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the remaining seven (7) stations are very viable and the reason for keeping those stations is that they produce breeding stocks for distribution to farmers at a subsidised price, so that they can improve on their local stocks. It is not designed to make gains for the station.
Fertiliser Coupons for Binduri Constituency Farmers
(Distribution)
Q. 172. Mr. Stephen Yakubu asked
the Minister for Food and Agriculture how many fertilizer coupons were earmarked for Binduri Constituency farmers and how they were being distributed.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, the Ministry of Food and Agriculture in the Binduri Constituency gets its fertilizer coupons through the Municipal Director of Agriculture in Bawku.
It is distributed through five (5) agricultural extension agents. For the 2009 rain-fed cropping season, the following fertilizer coupons were distributed in the Binduri Zone as follows:
NPK-15-15-15 - -
7,450
SPACE FOR TABLE (11.55
NPK-23-15-05 - -
2,450
Sulphate of Ammonia -- 2,550
UREA -- 600
The fertilizer coupons that have been dispatched already for the dry season for the Bawku Municipality, which includes the Binduri area are as follows:
NPK-15-15 -- 3.060.00
Sulphate of Ammonia -- 1,532.00
UREA -- 766.00
Mr. Yakubu 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I thank the Hon Deputy Minister for the Answer.
Is he aware that instead of the laid- down procedures which have been stipulated in the Answer he has given, the coupons were not actually distributed? So I want to find out if the Hon Deputy Minister is aware that the committee consists of National Democratic Congress (NDC) members chaired by a former NDC Hon Member of Parliament and they were actually responsible for distributing these coupons. I want to find out if he is aware of this.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Mr. Speaker, indeed, this has not come to our notice. As an Hon Member of Parliament, he should have drawn our attention early enough so that we could have taken action.
Mr. Yakubu 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, yes, I did. I drew the attention of the Director of Agriculture in Bolgatanga, I spoke with the Municipal Chief Executive; I also spoke with the Regional Minister but unfortunately, this practice did not actually stop. I want to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister, now that he is not aware, will he institute a committee to investigate what actually happened on the ground?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, I
will do the investigation myself.
Mr. Yakubu 11:55 a.m.
Madam Speaker, after finding out, will he be kind enough to bring it to this august House?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 12:05 p.m.
Madam Speaker,
the findings of the investigation would be made available to him on request.
Madam Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Let us have the last
question, then we move on.
Mr. J. K. Adda 12:05 p.m.
Madam Speaker, the
Hon Deputy Minister has not been clear on the set of criteria that are used for the distribution of the coupons. Would he be kind enough to share those criteria with this House and to be clear whether the Hon Regional Minister is directly involved in actually handing out the coupons or whether the Ministry of Food and Agriculture officials are to resell the coupons or demand bottles of beer before they issue them out to the farmers?
Madam Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Hon Deputy
Minister, can you answer this question?
Mr. Effah-Baafi 12:05 p.m.
Madam Speaker,
the channels are very simple. We distribute the coupons to the Regional Directors of Agriculture and they in turn share them among the districts in the regions. So it is at the district level that the coupons are disposed of.
rose
Madam Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Hon Member, you have asked your question, you do not have two shots. Anyway, ask your last question.
Mr. Adda 12:05 p.m.
Thank you very much,
Madam Speaker. The criteria are not very clear or some of the criteria that he just
mentioned did not include the role for the Hon Regional Minister. I just want to be clear whether the Hon Regional Minister has a role in distributing the coupons directly to farmers and also whether the Ministry of Food and Agriculture officials are to resell these coupons or demand bottles of beer from the farmers before they give the coupons out.
That is my question, Madam Speaker.
Mr. Effah-Baafi 12:05 p.m.
Madam Speaker,
I think that the Hon Regional Ministers are compelled to intervene when they suspect fraud.
Madam Speaker 12:05 p.m.
Hon Members,
Question time is over.

Hon Members, we move to item 4 -

Statements. I have admitted a Statement from Hon Joseph Boahen Aidoo, Member of Parliament for Amenfi East.

Hon Member, can you deliver your Statement?
STATEMENTS 12:05 p.m.

Mr. Joseph Boahen Aidoo (NPP - Amenfi East) 12:05 p.m.
Madam Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to apprise this august House of the galamsey tragedy that struck Dompoase in my constituency last week Tuesday. I am back from home after empathizing with the grief-stricken families. It was pitiful and woeful. I take this opportunity to extend further sympathies to the bereaved families and to wish the sole survivor a speedy recovery.
Galamsey accidents do occur on a
regular basis across the country, often unreported; but never has a calamitous event of such proportion and involving so many women casualties happened in the history of this country. In all, they were sixteen able-bodied persons; fifteen of them perished out of asphyxiation when the mine pit caved in. Thirteen of the dead were women and the only survivor is also a woman. The women go to carry gold-bearing limestone as livelihood but for a pittance.
Madam Speaker, almost all the
deceased women were single parents with two to five children and have very poor backgrounds. Two of the women sadly were breastfeeding. The duo, I was told, always carried their babies strapped at their backs as they plied their trade. Either by the women's own premonition or some twist of fate, they decided for once to leave the tender kids in the care of others outside the pit. So on that black Tuesday, the two kids miraculously survived but their breastfeeding mothers perished. The two kids have a great story to tell one day when they grow up.
Madam Speaker, the galamsey operation that has dispatched the fifteen previous lives to eternity is illegal. It is a form of small-scale mining that takes place without official approval or licence. It occurs often as an encroachment on the mining concessions of multi-national companies. The term galamsey is the corrupt version of the phrase, “gather and sell”, and it does not matter where the precious mineral must be gathered and sold. It is carried out openly and often gets into confrontation with the law enforcement agencies.
Not only is it outlawed but it is also the most hazardous way of making a living. Yet, it has one of the largest following in the country in terms of work force and ancillary activities. In my constituency

alone, they were estimated to be twenty thousand. They are in their numbers at Tarkwa/Nsuaem, Telekubukazo in Nzema, Mpohor, Sefwi Juaboso, Bibiani, Obuasi, Konongo, Wa, Bole - Indeed, wherever gold is known to exist, galamsey activity is also present. Shakespeare says “gold is the worst poison to men's souls', yet men desire it and will hazard to have it.

Madam Speaker, the galamsey matter is not a local matter. It borders on the law, its effect on the environment, the prodigies that are entailed, the category of our people involved and the fact that most of them are migrants from the North make it a national issue.

Frankly, as a nation, our policies for job creation have not clicked. Many who find themselves into this deadly venture do so out of desperation for job. Ironically, the operation benefits few. The ‘buyers' or masters of the business, who pay neither tax nor royalties, are the ones who profit. The great majority - the stone diggers, crashers, grinders, washers and carriers, who perform the menial manual jobs, the dirty and risky tasks, take home very little. I have had cause to campaign against the use of children in galamsey activity.

Eight, nine, ten, eleven, up to sixteen years old - children in their formative period - who must be in school or under some apprenticeship for skills and trade, are rather recruited into galamsey activity. When I complained, I paid dearly for it in all the galamsey towns during the last general elections. Nevertheless, a lot of abuse and exploitation take place at the galamsey sites but because the operation itself is illegal, the Labour Commission, the national labour organization (TUC) and allied Ministries have turned a blind eye in that direction.

Madam Speaker, all forms of land
Mr. Joseph Boahen Aidoo (NPP - Amenfi East) 12:15 p.m.


and environmental degradation can be associated with galamsey activity. An emerging greater worry is mercury poisoning among the youth. A recent United Nations Industrial Development (UNIDO) study in my constituency found high traces of mecury in the hair and nails of sampled galamsey operators. UNIDO's finding has started showing proof as, according to the medical officer at Wasa Akropong Government Hospital, forty people who recently passed on within three months in one town are believed to have died of mercury poisoning.

The forty, who showed symptoms of tuberculosis but never responded to any of the TB treatment, admitted having come into contact with fumes from mercury as they refined their gold. Mercury, that deadly heavy liquid metal, is sold in the open and used widely and carelessly in galamsey centres. The things that will make ordinary men tremble, the galamsey gold seekers will dare.

I am afraid, there are many who are being killed fast by mercury across the country; their numbers may far exceed that of a single episode like the Dompoase disaster. Clearly, the phenomenon of galamsey is a multi-faceted issue that requires a multi-sectoral attention.

Madam Speaker, I have a problem with the existing law on minerals and mining. The law makes it difficult for Ghanaians who want to go into gold mining to do so easily. To qualify for a mining licence, the prospective individual, group or company will have to show proof that the area desired to be mined has undergone prospecting and is unencumbered. Prospecting is a capital-intensive and risky venture. The cost of a single prospecting ranges from as low as $1 million to over $10 million, an amount which interested gold-mining Ghanaians cannot afford. It is for this reason that almost all the prospected gold-bearing areas, what

we call concessions are in the hands of multi-national companies. The few Ghanaians who have secured licence for small-scale mining are generally fronting for foreigners. They are recognized as licensed small scale miners.

As a matter of fact, there is little difference between what is officially known as small-scale mining and galamsey mining. The thin distinction is that, one is licensed, the other unlicensed; one has the law on its side, the other has the law against it. Their scale, effect, and mode of operation, however, are the same. Can we massage the law to remove this seemingly exclusivity against our own people?

Madam Speaker, what the state apparatus has succeeded in doing is to suppress the galamsey operations with brute force, but this has never worked. Whether we like it or not, there are Ghanaians who will want to go into mining, no matter the consequences. There is, therefore, the need to look at our mining and minerals law and the related regulations again.

An aspect that will be of interest is the constraint of acceding portions of concessions of mining companies, which they consider to be less lucrative or have no intention whatsoever to mine. What is unprofitable to the multi-nationals may be profitable to the local small scale miners.

Madam Speaker, Government can do better by facilitating support in terms of technical advice, equipment, training and financial resources for Ghanaians who want to go into small-scale mining. Alternative economies must also be introduced in these gold mining areas. Looking for gold or diamonds should not become the only preoccupation of our youth. The enabling conditions should be created to present new but equally

lucrative opportunities for our youth.

It may interest you to know that in the late 2005 and early 2006, when I was the Minister for the Western Region, we pursued a credit facility of US$2 million from the World Bank under the Japanese Social Development Fund (JSDF). It was totally a grant facility which Washington in principle approved for the management of issues relating to artisanal mining. I want to believe that the window of opportunity under the JSDF is not completely shut. Government may, therefore, continue from where we ended.

In conclusion, Madam Speaker, we must strengthen our law to encourage the use of machinery and equipment in small- scale mining, make it impracticable for the use of children labour and eliminate all forms of women labour in unprotected mine pits. The convoluted process of registration and licensing of small-scale mining entities must be simplified and straightened so as to ease the way for Ghanaians who want to do legitimate business in gold and diamond mining.

This way, the galamsey phenomenon can be eliminated; the work of these artisanal miners can then be monitored and controlled by the State institutions; they will be forced to comply with safety measures, use safety gadgets, and apply sound techniques; they will pay taxes and can be engaged to undertake reclamation and re-vegetation programmes. Only then, will small scale mining become meaningful and beneficial to Ghana. In its present form, dominated by galamsey activity, it is but a complete murderer.

I thank you, Madam Speaker and the House for this opportunity.
Papa Owusu 12:25 p.m.
None

Sekondi): Thank you very much, Madam

Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to the Statement. First of all, I wish to thank the Hon Member for Amenfi East (Mr. J. B. Aidoo) for making this Statement and also convey my sympathies to the families of those who perished in this disaster.

It is good that this Statement has been made on the floor of the House to signify the importance the House attaches to the loss of life of Ghanaians under circumstances such as this. This matter has been in the media for a while, it has been subjected to various commentaries by panelists on radio programmes. But it also brings to the fore a major problem that we face in this country, that is, the unwillingness of persons to resort to the legal process when it comes to the mining of our resources.

Madam Speaker, over the years, many programmes, many seminars, many discussions have been held as to how we can encourage Ghanaians to be participants in mining activities in this country. I believe that the time has come for us to move from rhetoric to action, the time has come for us to walk our talk. But unless and until the regulatory agencies are prepared to do their work, whatever legal framework you put in place, you are going to have these problems. At a point in time, it was farmers farming in forest reserves.

Now, for me Madam Speaker, the fundamental problem that we have in this country and which is going to become worse over the years to come is the fact that mineral resources, lands and so on and so forth are vested in the State and being managed by bureaucrats in the centre.

For me, my philosophy is totally different. The time has come for us to let those who own lands to feel that they have the benefit of the resources. Because unless individual landowners, chiefs, occupants of skins and families believe
Papa Owusu 12:25 p.m.


that they have a right to land, they will encourage, or at least, turn a blind eye to those who act in respect of the land in ways contrary to the rules and regulations established in Accra. We are always going to have enforcement problems.

I dare say that were the chiefs or communities, particularly where some of these tragedies occur - were they to feel that they own the land and they were going to get the benefit, they were to police it effectively. Now, what will happen is that when illegal miners go there, I am sure they will pay something to the chiefs, they will pay something to the mining department or whatever, environment protection, to ensure that they do not do that - and even in certain cases, they wield arms against those who have the legal right to work on these lands, that is the big mining companies.

Madam Speaker, I am serving this as a note of caution to all of us, because we have now discovered oil. From the way things are going, it will be managed from Accra; communities where this oil is found, will feel that it is Government in Accra and some whitemen who are mining this and they are getting the benefit, we should also get our share.

So, the time has come for us, as a country - for example, we have legion. You come to Accra, we have problems with lands acquired by the State for over hundreds because people feel that they are not getting the benefit. As resources become scarce, the quest to manage these resources by customary owners will be greater. And I am saying that we should look at this - we should be thinking out of the box in respect of these matters but most importantly, there are two major problems facing us in this country; inability or unwillingness to enforce regulations and ineffective supervision by people placed in responsible positions at all levels.

Unless and until we enforce our laws,

unless and until those in whom have been reposed the responsibility of enforcing regulations and supervising others do so, we will always come to this.

I know for a fact that the death of these women will not solve the galamsey problem. It will not. It will not because the people who go there are even prepared to die. As I said, some people even bear arms and fight those who have been legally given the right to mine these. So, we must look at new strategies to meet the new challenges of our time.

The loss is indeed grave. And I know that the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs will be very much concerned about this. But I know too that whatever they say, things may not change unless we walk our talk and move from rhetoric to action.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.
Minister for Women and Children's Affairs (Ms. Akua Sena Dansua) 12:25 p.m.
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to the Statement made by my Hon Colleague on the other side.
Let me first of all, Madam Speaker, begin with extending my condolences to the bereaved families and to pray that God will give them the courage to take this painful loss.
Madam Speaker, I will restrict my contribution to the factors responsible for the increasing involvement of women in such dangerous vocations, if I may put it that way.
Madam Speaker, it is becoming increasingly clear that more and more men are becoming very irresponsible. And that is why a lot more women are becoming single parents and are forced to do just anything to cater for themselves and their families.
Minister for Women and Children's Affairs (Ms. Akua Sena Dansua) 12:25 p.m.


Madam Speaker, some Hon Colleagues are wondering why I am making this statement but if you go to the rural areas, this is the reality on the ground. And that is why now we find women going underground to do galamsey. Normally, they will stay outside, polish the dust, cook for the men diggers and help to maintain the environment. But now, because men are becoming increasingly irresponsible, these women are forced to go underground. Women are doing armed robbery and other things that they normally will not do so that they will survive.

So Madam Speaker, I am saying that while Government and the stakeholders, like the International Labour Organisation (ILO) and the Ministry for Women and Children's Affairs (MOWAC) are working very hard to look at good and alternative income-generating activities especially for our women in the rural areas. I urge our male counterparts, especially those who are just making women pregnant and letting them have children that they are forced to look after alone to put a stop to that.

They must learn to cater for their families, they must learn to be responsible for their children so that the women or their partners can concentrate on other things that will -
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Ms. Dansua 12:25 p.m.
Why are you up? It is a fact.
Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:25 p.m.
Madam Speaker, on a point of order. I believe that the Hon Minister for Women and Children's Affairs should also exhort women not to accept to be impregnated by men - [Laughter] - That is it. Why? As if the men just rape the women. Sometimes the women consent and even entice. So, she should also advise the women.
Mr. Bagbin 12:25 p.m.
Madam Speaker, I am
Mr. Bagbin 12:25 p.m.


very surprised that my Hon Colleague intervened that way. If the men do not impregnate women, who will impregnate them? - [Laughter] - I do not know who again. The women must allow the men to impregnate them, if not, how will they be impregnated? - [Laughter.]

The important thing is that the women must take time to allow responsible men to impregnate them. But that does not absolve the men from responsibility. I mean, there is clear data that, as she said, men are becoming irresponsible in taking care of their children and they are compelling to do other things at the risk of their lives. And that is one of the typical examples that they are citing.

I think we have to live up to our responsibilities. And I think the Hon Minister is right. But as for impregnating women, it is only men who can impregnate them; the women cannot impregnate themselves.
Mrs. Akosua Frema Osei-Opare 12:25 p.m.
Madam Speaker, the Hon Member for Sekondi (Papa Owusu-Ankomah) said that women were raped with their consent - [Interruption.]
Some Hon Members 12:25 p.m.
No.
Mrs. Osei-Opare 12:25 p.m.
Madam Speaker, that is what I heard. If that is not the case, then what are we talking about this “consent”? [Papa Owusu-Ankomah: No, that is not what I said.] All right, if that is not the case, then Madam Speaker, I rest my case. Because I thought he said sometimes it is with their consent and I do not think it is with their consent.
Anyway, it is a serious matter, so let me allow the Hon Minister to continue.
Madam Speaker 12:25 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Ms. Dansua 12:35 p.m.
Madam Speaker, even if the women give consent to their being made pregnant, it does not preclude the men from being responsible. Once pregnancy takes place, definitely, a child would be born and that child should be catered for, otherwise, the child would not go to school, would grow to become an armed robber or a social misfit which would be a burden on society. So all that I am saying is that let our men be responsible for the children they bring into this world - [Interruption.]
Dr. Anthony A. Osei 12:35 p.m.
On a point of order. Madam Speaker, I am not a medical expert, but my Hon Colleague here said, once a woman is impregnated, definitely, a child will come. There is nothing definite about it -
Ms. Dansua 12:35 p.m.
Madam Speaker, if abortion does not take place, a child would be born -- [Laughter.]
Dr. Osei 12:35 p.m.
Madam Speaker, so it is not a definite statement. She has to be very careful.
Madam Speaker 12:35 p.m.
She has corrected herself; has she not?
Ms. Dansua 12:35 p.m.
Madam Speaker, just to once again express our condolences to the bereaved families because one death is bad enough and especially when it involves women, it is even worse for families and children. So we pray for the repose of the deceased and just to also add that this one incident or accident should not dampen the spirits of our women who are out there in the field, trying to eke out a living everyday to look after their children and their families.
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.
Ms. Beatrice B. Boateng (NPP -- New Juaben South) 12:35 p.m.
Thank you so much, Madam Speaker, for the opportunity. Let me also add my voice to congratulate the Hon Member who made this solemn
Statement for the good job done and to congratulate all others who have also contributed.
Madam Speaker, I want to tackle this issue from the biblical viewpoint which is that we should go into the world and multiply; that is procreation; getting people into this world to perform roles that would help move our country forward. And in talking about procreation, women cannot be left out because they are a very important aspect of the procreation exercise.
Now, we have been told that a number of women have lost their lives, not for anything, but because they were going to find a way of earning a living. Madam Speaker, ordinarily, like my Hon Colleague, the latter one spoke, that women, as far as we are trying to do whatever men could also do, there are certain things that women would not want to go and do -- For instance, for a woman to leave this wonderful space and go underground in a quest to work and get something to eat.
Madam Speaker, I think that, probably, the problem would come from economic reasons. Everybody wants to earn a living. So just as we also know that most at times the devil finds work for the idle hands, if the women are there, they do not have any other job to do, what they might resort to doing is to do anything at all, like the galamsey, not just sitting on top of the earth to collect and assemble those things that would be brought up, but rather go down to fetch these things, it is something that is very serious.
Madam Speaker, I think that we should find a clue to it. Hon Colleagues who spoke before me have said a lot, but what I am saying is that we should endeavour to think through, sit down with these women especially in the rural areas, who would want to do every little thing to earn
a living and let us find a way of assisting them. I know some of these women, even just GH¢100.00 would be able to set them to do something.
Maybe, if we are able to tackle this pragmatic thing, we would be in a better position to find jobs for these women, because after all, when one woman earns a living, it affects a lot . This is because she would come home, cook, the husband would eat, the children would eat and all other people might also eat.
Yesterday, there was a serious thing that I heard somewhere; that a lady was saying the husband was planning to divorce her because she had allowed herself to be impregnated by the same husband who had had three children already with her and wanting to stop it and the woman has become pregnant with the fourth child. And I said, “my God, did the man not know that after meeting the woman she could become pregnant?” What stopped the man from also protecting himself or advising the woman to protect herself?
You go in there, enjoy and now pregnancy comes and you say because of this it is a sin, so I am divorcing you. If this woman is really divorced, she might go away with all the children, three plus this one and then she might end up going underground.
Mr. O. B. Amoah 12:35 p.m.
On a point of order. Madam Speaker, my Hon Colleague is using some terms which are a bit strange to me and which quite fits in medical terms. Just meeting a woman can result in pregnancy; I do not really understand
Mr. O. B. Amoah 12:35 p.m.


it; that you would just meet a woman - meeting her where? Where do you meet the woman for her to be pregnant? Meeting her where; in Parliament or where?
Ms. Beatrice B. Boateng 12:35 p.m.
Madam Speaker, I think that my Hon Brother would have to meet me privately for me to explain further, because no matter what I say, if he does not understand this, nothing would let him understand. My Hon Brother, I would meet you and help you with it. [Laughter.]
However, Madam Speaker, I want to end this and plead with all Hon Members that if we want to move our country forward, we cannot leave out our women who are in the centre of procreation and so, in all our work, in our various constituencies, we should consider the women. Just a token would put a woman at a job and these problems might be solved.
Thank you, Madam Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to add my voice.
Madam Speaker 12:35 p.m.
I want one last Hon Member and it has to come from the right. Last Hon Member to speak before we move on.
Mr. Henry F. Kamel (NDC - Buem) 12:35 p.m.
Madam Speaker, I want to thank the Hon Member who made this very important Statement on the floor of the House. Madam Speaker, in commending the Hon Member who made the Statement, I wish to make a few submissions.
I have personally been to the site where the disaster occurred and it was a really sorry sight and I used the opportunity to express Government's condolences to the bereaved families, especially when 14 out of the 15 dead were women and these were people who virtually migrated from another site just two weeks before
the incident.
Madam Speaker, I want to use this opportunity, while we are expressing our condolences to the bereaved families to appeal to small-scale miners to take advantage of the opportunities under the law. Madam Speaker, it is sad to note that where this disaster occurred is just a stone- throw from a designated small- scale mining site and I believe that if these people had exercised a bit of patience and had their operations regularized, they would have been given access to these designated sites.
As I speak today, we have 66 designated sites in this country for small-scale mining operations and we try to assist small-scale miners to take advantage of these sites, have their operations regularized and to operate and make a living. Madam Speaker, in addition to this, there is a partnership with the Chinese Government where small-scale miners usually make trips to China to build their capacity and as I speak, most of them have benefited from training programmes either by way of improved mining methods or other technical facilities from China. There is even an empowerment scheme for small- scale miners; they benefit from credit schemes just to give them that leverage to be able to expand their operations. Right now, we are even improving on the method and making it easier for small-scale miners to go through the whole process; they have legitimate complaints that the process is a bit cumbersome.
We are trying to have some reforms in that sector and we are making the regularization of operations very, very easy. So we want to appeal to the small- scale operators that opportunities exist, they should exercise a bit of patience and they can take advantage.
One worrying trend in the small-scale
mining operations today is that some traditional authorities and landowners are behind some of these operations; they give them that leverage to do these things. They feel that once they own land, they also own the minerals under it and they give access to these people to operate on their lands without due recourse to laid-down procedure.
We want to appeal to landowners; we want to appeal to traditional authorities that they should recognize the existence of the law and ensure that they help us to save lives.
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Thank you,
Hon Members, shall we move to the Commencement of Public Business now. Item 5 Laying of Papers. Hon Leader -- item 5 (a). Minister for Finance and Economic Planning.
Mr. Bagbin 12:45 p.m.
Madam Speaker, just seeking your permission to allow the Deputy Minister for Finance and Economic Planning to lay the Report on behalf of the Minister and I crave the indulgence of my Colleagues to allow that.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Yes, it is permitted.
Can he lay his Papers?
PAPERS 12:45 p.m.

Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
5 (b).
Mr. Bagbin 12:45 p.m.
Madam Speaker, the Hon
Minister for Local Government and Rural Development is not present now. He is committed to another official assignment and he has mandated the Hon Minister for Women and Children's Affairs to lay the Annual Report on his behalf.
By the Minister for Women and Children's Affairs (Ms Sena Akua Dansua) (on behalf of the Minister for Local Government and Rural Development) --
Annual Report of the District Assemblies Common Fund for the year 2008.
Referred to the Special Budget
Committee.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
5 (c).
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:45 p.m.
Madam
Speaker, I am the Ranking Member and I think we have agreed on the text of the Report. It is still in print but the Committee members do agree, so I want to lay, the Report on behalf of the Committee, that is, if you agree. I am ready to lay it with your indulgence.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Well, we will go
on and when you are ready or you want it to be deferred? You want to lay it today?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:45 p.m.
Madam
Speaker, yes we want to lay it.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Well, we will go
on until you are ready to lay it. Is it not? You are ready to lay it?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:45 p.m.
Madam
Speaker, that is so.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
All right, I keep complaining that my microphone makes it difficult for me to get what people say but - Well, I will make do with it. So you are prepared to lay it?
Mr. Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:45 p.m.
Madam
Speaker, that is so.
By the Minority Leader (Mr. Osei Kyei- Mensah-Bonsu) (on behalf of the First Deputy Speaker and Chairman of the Committee) -
Fifteenth Report of the Appoint- ments Committee on the President's nominat ions for Minis ter ia l appointments.
Report is laid for distribution.
By the Chairman of the Committee -
Report of the Committee on C o n s t i t u t i o n a l , L e g a l a n d Parliamentary Affairs on the Alternative Dispute Resolution Bill, 2009.
By the Chairman of the Committee -
Report of the Joint Committee on Finance and Local Government and Rural Development on the Credit Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and Agence Francaise de Development (AFD) of France for an amount of fifteen million euros (€15.00 million) in support of the District Development Facility
(DDF).
By the Chairman of the Committee --
Report of the Joint Committee on Finance and Local Government and Rural Development on the Credit Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and Kreditanstalt fur Wiederaufbau (KfW) of Germany for a loan amount of thirteen million euros (€13.00 million)

and a financial contribution of one million, nine hundred thousand euros (€1,900,000.00) in support of the District Development Facility

(DDF).

Report is laid for distribution.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, are we taking item 6?
Mr. Bagbin 12:45 p.m.
No, Madam Speaker. As indicated by the Minority Leader, the Report is not yet before Members. It has just been laid, so we would need to defer items 6 and 7 to tomorrow.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Items 6 and 7 deferred. We now move to item 8 - Interpretation Bill.
Mr. Bagbin 12:45 p.m.
Madam Speaker, it is our proposal that we also defer item 8. There are a few more issues to be looked at and the Consideration Stage would be properly captured with some more amend-ments and some amendments being reviewed . So we will propose that we consider having more opportunity to look at those proposed amendments before we go to the Consideration Stage. So we may do what is termed “winnowing stage” and all those who have proposed amendments, including the Chairman of the Committee and those still attempting to propose amendments would be called upon to attend the winnowing committee, which will be chaired by my goodself and then we rationalize them before putting them on the Order Paper for the attention of the House.
So I would want to urge and seek your permission for item 8 also to be deferred.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Item 8 is deferred.
I think we have finished for the day except that there will be Committee of the Whole meeting.
Hon Majority Leader, any indications as to adjournment?
Mr. Bagbin 12:45 p.m.
Madam Speaker, I do agree that we are now left with item 10 at page 8 of the Order Paper, which is Committee of the Whole and we are expecting a brief by some experts on the oil and gas governance in the country. This is a very crucial brief and I would want to urge Hon Members to attend in their numbers before we would be having the opportunity of making serious inputs as to how we intend oil and gas to be handled in this country.
So we will listen to them and then the House will have to constitute itself into a Committee of the Whole for this purpose.
Thank you very much.
Madam Speaker 12:45 p.m.
Yes, the Committee will be sitting then -- Committee of the Whole.

ADjOURNMENT
  • The House was adjourned at 2.59 p.m. till 18th November, 2009 at 10.00 a.m.