Debates of 14 Nov 2018

MR SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:09 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:09 a.m.

Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
Hon Members, we would take the item listed 2 -- Correction of Votes and Proceedings and the Official Report.
Hon Members, we have the Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 13th November, 2018 for correction.
Hon Members, any corrections?
Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
Hon Members, we also have the Official Report of Friday, 2nd November, 2018 for correction.
Hon Members, any corrections?
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Friday, 2nd November, 2018.]
  • Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
    Hon Members, the next item on the Order Paper is numbered 3 -- Questions.
    Hon Members, today is the day for the Hon Minister for Energy, but I have received communication that he is unavoidably absent. I therefore direct that the Questions be re-listed to a subsequent date.
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    Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
    Yes, Hon Member?
    Alhaji Muntaka 10:09 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, I realised that you rightly directed that the Questions be re- programmed.
    Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
    Hon Member, what did you say?
    Alhaji Muntaka 10:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I said that I had seen that you gave directives for the re-programming of the Questions on the Order Paper to be answered by the Hon Minister for Energy.
    Mr Speaker, it is rightly so, but I would just want to plead with Hon Ministers that when they would want to seek for permission to be absent, it should not be in the morning when we programme the Questions.
    At least two or three days to the Answering of the Questions would serve all of us better. This is just to add to it, but I agree that as you said, it should be re- programmed.
    Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
    Thank you very much.
    Hon Members, as much as possible, this communication must be given in time to Parliament. Nevertheless, we should be mindful of the fact that there can be a new
    intervention, what we describe as the novus actus interveniens.
    This means that something new could also crop up, and I know the Hon Minority Leader is very much aware of this principle. So, we shall make progress.
    Hon Members, I have a Statement, which is on “World Diabetes Day”, by the Hon Member for Nabdam.
    Hon Member, you have a commemora- tive Statement, and so you may please go ahead with it.
    STATEMENTS 10:09 a.m.

    Dr Mark Kurt Nawaane (NDC -- Nabdam) 10:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you for permitting me to make this Statement. The world diabetes day was first celebrated in 1991 in response to the escalating threat posed by diabetes.
    It is a global occasion in which people with diabetes, health professionals, diabetes advocates, media, the general public and government organisations unite in the fight against diabetes.
    Mr Speaker, an estimated 425 million adults worldwide have diabetes (that is 1- in-11). It is estimated that in 2017, the health expenditure on diabetes was 727 billion dollars, which is greater than the defence budgets of USA and China put together. Diabetes also caused four million deaths in 2017.
    Mr Speaker, diabetes mellitus is a medical condition characterised by high blood sugar. The predisposing factors are age, obesity, ethnicity and family history. The complications are severe and varied.
    It affects critical organs such as the eyes, heart, liver, pancreas, blood vessels, nerves, kidneys and even the skin. The management include the use of oral and injectable glucose lowering drugs, exercise, diet and education.
    Mr Speaker, the theme for this year's celebration is “Diabetes concerns every family”. The campaign has a two-year time frame and ends in 2019. The primary aim of the campaign is to raise awareness of the impact that diabetes has on the family, and to promote the role of the family in the management, care, prevention and education of the condition.
    As our nation attains the status of a lower middle income country with it associated affluent lifestyle, it is important to take coordinated and concerted actions to confront diabetes as a serious health threat.
    Mr Speaker, in conclusion, Ghana is a member of the International Diabetes Federation and there is no doubt that our extended family system has been playing a major role in the management of diabetes. Family members assist patients in purchasing drugs, managing their diets, partaking in exercises and even educating them.
    I however appeal to the Government to re-align the allocation of resources in favour of diabetes and other non- communicable diseases. I also call for the improvement in the management of the National Health Insurance scheme to enable service providers supply diabetic patients with their drugs to avert a seemingly impending diabetes epidemic.
    Thank you Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
    Hon Member, thank you very much for this well researched Statement.
    Hon Dr Okoe-Boye.
    Dr Bernard Okoe Boye (NPP -- Ledzokuku) 10:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am most grateful for the opportunity and let me commend my Hon Colleague who is a senior medical doctor, for making this Statement on diabetes and bringing our attention to some of the challenges that we face as a country as a result of the increasing prevalence of diabetes in Ghana.
    Mr Speaker, diabetes is a medical condition, where instead of blood sugar moving into the body so that we could benefit from it and do our work, it stays in our blood, and as it stays there for long it causes a lot of problems.
    Mr Speaker, the most damage or problem happens in the blood vessels and as the vessels deteriorate, the organs within which they work would also deteriorate.
    Let me mention that the three most important organs here are the eyes, heart and kidneys and if these deteriorate over the years then a person would experience a kidney failure, a stroke or a heart disease.
    Mr Speaker, Ghana ranks as the sixth country with the most cases of diabetes. The first country is Nigeria; obviously because of their population, so Ghana is a very significant player when it comes to contribution of diabetic cases in Africa.
    With every 10 deaths in our hospitals, diabetes plays a role in at least three or four of the deaths, so it is important that we speak up about diabetes.
    Mr Speaker, diabetes has become a big problem, because in Ghana, culturally, we do not believe we are sick until we have a headache, chills or we feel very weak. Unfor- tunately, diabetes is one of those
    conditions where one could be very active and go on with one's duties yet the blood sugar could be very high.
    Recently, I had the opportunity to assist one of our security details in this country to have a surgery on his hand and when a blood sugar test was conducted on him, it was realised that his sugar level was about 29.
    This was a gentleman walking around and very active, yet he had a very high level of blood sugar. It was so high that he could have collapsed any time while working. The only way for a person to know whether he has diabetes or not is to get screened, but most Ghanaians are not in the business of screening. We would wait until something happens to us.
    Mr Speaker, unfortunately, even with those who get screened, once they are told that they have a problem then they go into what is called the ‘denial mode'. They would say that they do not have any headache and they believe that it might be spiritual or the doctor was not doing his work well.
    The gentleman that I just spoke about told me that he would go to a particular pastor to be prayed for. I told him bluntly that if he goes in that direction, the house that he has built in the Eastern Region would be taken over by me very soon because he would not be alive and he laughed about it.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that as a country, what we would have to do is to start doing aggressive education. To educate our citizens to know that once a person is above 25 years, then that person would have to check his sugar levels.
    Mr Speaker, as for education we have done a lot and I believe that the Ministry of Health has done a lot over the years,
    but people would simply not participate. I am therefore suggesting that -- and this is done in other countries -- there must be some procedures, that before one completes, one's sugar level must be known. That is the way to pick the cases of people walking with very high sugar levels.
    Mr Speaker, we could simply say that before a person renews his or her driver's license, he or she should produce information on their sugar level from a hospital.
    Mr Speaker, these are things that the State must be interested in, because as a State or country, if you do not put in interventions to rope in the citizens then the State would pay more to take care of them. It costs not less than GH¢2,000 to carry out dialysis every week in Ghana.
    Even with this GH¢2,000 the State would be paying at least GH¢5,000 for the patient, yet it would cost far less to find a way to make sure that the citizens check their sugar level.
    Mr Speaker, the highest cause of kidney failure in this country is diabetes and hypertension.
    As we speak, more patients are trooping to the Korle Bu Teaching Hospital to be put on dialysis. Mr Speaker, we must stop this trend; either we pay little to do education or we have to invest a lot in saving our people.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to conclude by encouraging all Hon Members of this House to make sure that they have an idea of their blood sugar level. Most men would just not take their medications because they believe that diabetic drugs impacts on their potency or performance.
    Mr Speaker, I have always posed this interesting question, that does one want

    Mr Speaker, this would tell you how entrenched some of our positions are, but I would like to plead with the men, that the drugs would not take away their life.

    It would rather give them more years and for those who have challenges with performance, there are medications to handle that. [Interruption] Mr Speaker, I am talking about domestic family performance. [Laughter]

    Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for this opportunity.
    Mr Speaker 10:09 a.m.
    Dr Okoe Boye, I thank you very much for the very rich contribution.
    Yes, Hon (Dr) Zanetor Agyeman- Rawlings?
    Dr Zanetor Agyeman-Rawlings (NDC -- Klottey-Korle) 10:29 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    I would like to commend the Hon Member who made the Statement and also my Hon Colleague for his contribution to the theme regarding diabetes. It has become truly widespread in Ghana and it can also be very closely linked to the radical changes in our eating habits.
    Mr Speaker, in recent times, it has become a fashionable trend to engage in nutritional habits that involve a lot of fast foods and sweet drinks. In general, when people attend various occasions, they are
    Mr Speaker 10:29 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Hon (Dr) Agyeman-Rawlings for your scientific contribution.
    Mr Ras Mubarak (NDC -- Kumbungu) 10:29 a.m.
    I am very grateful, Mr Speaker.
    This is a very important Statement, and we need to commend the Hon Member who made the Statement. I think we need to intensify the national response to the causes of diabetes so that we reduce the incidences of people contracting diabetes.
    Mr Speaker, one thing I would suggest would be a tax on fuzzy drinks or sugary drinks. A lot of the Type-2 level of diabetes is sugar related, and we have a lot of products on the market -- companies that are promoting their
    products with high levels of sugar. That is not very good for us and it is not very good for our children as well.
    If we look at the snacks that are given to our children when they go to school and the confectionaries that we use, probably, Government might have to look at taxing sugar as a means of controlling the sugar levels in the drinks that we have.
    Mr Speaker, normally a lot of people find it difficult to sleep. Recently, when you wakeup in the middle of the night and check online, you would see several Members of Parliament (MPs) up around 2.00 a.m. or 3.00 a.m. online chatting and doing stuff on social media.
    Mr Speaker, I would suggest that if one is finding it difficult to sleep then probably the time is ripe to have a conversation with your doctor because doctors have indicated that sleep deprivation could also be an indication of some form of diabetes. If those of us who spend a lot of hours instead of resting but actually up in the middle of the night could make an attempt to engage our doctors, it would be exceedingly useful for us.
    Mr Speaker, we need to intensify public education because it costs so much to treat diabetes. The Hon Okoe Boye mentioned that even with Government's subsidy on the cost involved, is about GH¢2,000. We can imagine what a burden GH¢2,000 would be for somebody living far away in Kumbungu or in any remote area of the country. It is not money that comes easily.
    So, we would have to do our best to educate people so that they do not take sugary drinks.
    Mr Speaker, finally, health inequality in our country is a problem. For the person
    who lives in the remote area of the country, even access to a health facility is a problem. In my view, if we really want to solve problems like diabetes, we would have to bridge the health inequality gap in our country as a way of controlling not just diabetes, but any other diseases that are related to diabetes.
    I thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 10:29 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Hon Member.
    Hon (Dr) Okoe Boye, do you want to make a point of clarification?
    Dr Boye 10:29 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, respectfully, my Hon Colleague said sleep deprivation is an indicator for diabetes. It is more or less a distant risk and not an indicator. Sleep deprivation increases one's stress levels and he can have metabolic imbalance and get diabetes, but it is not an indicator.
    If we state that a condition is an indicator, it has more serious consequence than a distant risk. I just wanted to clarify that.
    Mr Speaker 10:29 a.m.
    That was just to make the record full.
    Any other contribution?
    Dr Sebastian N. Sandaare (NDC -- Daffiama/Bussie/Issa) 10:29 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity. I also commend my Hon Colleague for this important Statement on the World Diabetes Day.
    Mr Speaker, indeed, diabetes belong to the group of diseases known as non- communicable diseases, where one can find hypertension, diabetes and the rest. Actually, it is a concern in this country because diabetes, as we know it traditionally, could be found in the elderly;
    Dr Sebastian N. Sandaare (NDC -- Daffiama/Bussie/Issa) 10:39 a.m.
    in those who have lived their lives and are old. They could develop diabetes. Or one could find it in the wealthy group of families.
    However, Mr Speaker, today as we speak, the trend has changed, that you can now find diabetes among children, young adults and among the elderly. That makes it serious in this country because we are now dealing with infectious diseases.
    We have not finished tackling that burden but we are battling with non- communicable diseases, and that is compounding the burden and the economic cost of treating diseases in this country.

    Mr Speaker, diabetes can also be prevented, and as the old saying goes, it is better to prevent than to cure. I always say that if you can prevent getting diabetes or even hypertension, it is better than when you develop diabetes and then you have to treat it for life, and comparing the cost of prevention to the cost of treatment, it is better to prevent than to develop the disease.

    That is why the theme is saying that diabetes concerns every family. The theme is right because once a member of the family gets diabetes it is for life, and the entire family would have to mobilise resources, whether they have it or not, to ensure that the person is well treated, especially when the complications come. As my Hon Colleagues have mentioned; when it comes to heart disease and kidney disease, then the cost is magnified.

    The call to intensify education is worthwhile, and we all have to intensify the education, especially on lifestyle modification.
    Mr Speaker 10:39 a.m.
    Hon Member, you are out of order. If you want to contribute, there would be an opportunity, so allow your Hon Colleague to finish his contribution.
    Dr Sandaare 10:39 a.m.
    This is about lifestyle modification, and as a medical pro- fessional, the physiology of having appetite for food has nothing to do with drinking alcohol before the food, and therefore, I am sure of what I am saying. [Laughter.]
    Mr Speaker, it is about choice, choice to live or die early. You can choose to take the indication and live long or refuse it and die early. It is about choice, and I am saying that the habit where we intoxicate ourselves with alcohol is not right.
    I am not saying you cannot take alcohol. Of course, I drink socially. I take beer and Guinness -- [Interruption] -- but I am saying that the level at which we take it is risky and compounding the diabetes problem -- [Interruption.]
    Mr Speaker 10:39 a.m.
    Order! Hon Members, the Hon Member is serious on his point, and he is clearly distinguishing social drinking from the habit of ‘cutting small' before you eat -- Some Hon Members: ye bu didi -- [Laughter.] Hon Members, which in its continuous form could be very
    dangerous to health, especially for the young ones who are up there in the gallery. So please, let us treat this matter with the seriousness that it deserves.
    Hon Member, you may go on.
    Dr Sandaare 10:39 a.m.
    Thank you Mr Speaker for coming to my aid, and rightly so.
    I am not saying you cannot take alcohol, but as a professional, the teaching I would give is that you should rather take the food. After eating, then you could take small.
    Mr Speaker has said it, a little at a time, but we are taking it in high quantities, and that is where the danger is, and therefore Mr Speaker, all I am saying is that we should intensify education on lifestyle modification.
    Let us teach our families to go for the traditional diets. We have the kontomire, apim and leafy foods. God has blessed this country with good food; food that would not give us diabetes and hypertension, but we rather leave these good foods in Ghana and go for junk food. At the end of the day, we complicate the burden of non- communicable diseases, especially diabetes.
    I would urge all families, the health sector and all of us to educate our families and everybody on the need to modify our lifestyle and also to report early to the health facility when we get diabetes so that the complications of diabetes can be prevented.
    Mr Speaker 10:39 a.m.
    Thank you very much Hon Member, for your rich contribution.
    There are some who would not leave others alone when they are making contributions. Meanwhile when they have a chance to speak by themselves they would not speak.
    Yes, Hon Yieleh Chireh?
    Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh (NDC -- Wa West) 10:39 a.m.
    Thank you Mr Speaker.
    First of all, I would commend all previous speakers, particularly given their background and emphasising on what we should do. As the last Hon Member said, we should exercise, and that would be very useful.
    If you exercise and you are exhausted you can sleep, so the worry of my Hon Friend about those who do not sleep would not be there. Importantly, we can prevent it, we can reduce it, and we can manage it. Once you have diabetes, do not be tempted to go to people who make concoctions and tell you this can cure diabetes. No, you can manage it.
    As it has already been said, it is very expensive, so the things we should do would be regular checks and ensuring that we eat food that would not kill us. We all know that too much of everything is bad, but for exercise, it is very important. Controlling your diet and what you eat, extremely so --
    When you have the condition, get advice and listen to your medical and pharmaceutical managers, those people who can help you live a little longer.
    I have always told my Hon Colleagues in this House that when there is food to eat, you must negotiate with your organs. What do you do? What would affect your heart? What would affect your kidneys? What is going to affect any part of your body that you need to live and live long?
    Mr Speaker 10:39 a.m.
    Thank you very much. Do not eat to die, eat to live. A very wise statement. We should underline it in the Hansard.
    Yes Leadership? Minority Leadership, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
    Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka (NDC -- Asawase) 10:49 a.m.
    Thank you Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, let me commend our Hon Colleague for making this Statement today to commemorate the International Day for diabetes.
    Let me say that research by the International Federation for Diabetes has shown that well over 425 million people around the world are living with diabetes, and most of these diabetic patients have the Type 2 Diabetes.
    Mr Speaker, the Type 2 means that it is not hereditary. The Type 1 is the one that is inherited and is within the family, but the Type 2, like my Hon Colleague said, is through lifestyle of eating and other things.
    So Mr Speaker, it draws our attention to its effect; that we help generate this disease by the way we live.
    Mr Speaker, without repeating what many of my Hon Colleagues have said, three things were identified internationally as the best way to deal with this.

    One, regular physical activity. If you look at our lifestyles today, obviously, you may be tempted to understand why a lot more people have become diabetic. We live in houses where there is air condition, sit in cars or offices that have air condition and yet, we do not make time to exercise. It exacerbates the situation; it makes it even more difficult for one not to risk having diabetes.

    Mr Speaker, secondly, it is what we eat, like my Hon Colleague rightly said. We must eat to live not to die. Mr Speaker, if you have the privilege of being in Nigeria and in any of their five star hotels, you would be surprised to see that their local diets are served.

    You go around Ghana, and in most of our hotels, we serve food that are mostly alien to our environment and we call them continental food. We do not even encourage eating our own foods.

    If you look at the type of rice that we grow, it has a lot of chaff and the doctors would tell you that, that itself even helps in the fight against diabetes because of the roughage that is in it.

    But when you go round our hotels you would see all manner of foods that are alien to our environment. Yet, we symbolise that as being wealthy. So, eating well also contributes to being very healthy.

    Mr Speaker, this brings to the fore the concern about how even the school feeding programme could be used to enrich the food that our children eat in schools.

    Mr Speaker, unfortunately, because we do not have very effective monitoring mechanism. If you go round the schools and see what is served in some areas, it leaves so much to be desired.

    I believe that we need to call on the Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection, which is responsible for the school feeding programme to pay attention to the kind of food that is served to our children.

    Lastly, the third one is promotion of healthy living environment. Mr Speaker, when we were young, we could have half of a whole term dedicated to sporting activities through the inter-school activities.

    Today, when we have closed from Parliament and we are going home, as late as sometimes 7.00 p.m., that is when you see school children returning home. We have turned education to only passing West African Examination Council (WAEC) exams.

    Mr Speaker, I know in many countries in Europe and America, to qualify to the next stage, it is not only the academic performance, but the extra curricula activities that one has engaged in helps one to get a very good university or scholarship.

    Today, we have turned our schools to just study and pass WAEC exams. That is the only thing. Our children are not engaged in any physical activities.

    Mr Speaker, you would not be surprised, that now, we have diabetes cases in young children. Whereas I admit that in Europe and America, it is the junk food that they sell, but in our environment, it is lack of physical activities that make

    our children grow -- Obesity increases one's chances of getting diabetes.

    Mr Speaker, I believe that the Ministry of Education must relook at it, especially the private schools. Now that the private schools have virtually taken over basic education in the urban centres in particular, they have a curricula or programme that keeps the children in class for a very long period of time, with very little extra curricula activities that would get the children to do many more physical activities.

    Mr Speaker, our Ministry of Education should relook at this. If not, we risk a future of high population of diabetic patients.

    This is because most of us who did a lot of physical activities have today developed diabetes because we have not continued with the physical activities like gyming and others, then those who have even started now with less physical activity would be in a worse situation in 20 or 30 years from now. I believe we need to look at it.

    Mr Speaker, let us admit it. We take our children from home to school in an air conditioned vehicle. When they close, we go to pick them back in an air conditioned vehicle. Yet, we do not take necessary steps to register them in some gyming activities, basketball, swimming or some other extra curricula activities that would get them to exercise.

    We should all be mindful of the risk of this disease and how it can affect our economy and families so that together, we would be able to fight it.

    Mr Speaker, I know the steps you have taken to get the gym in Parliament to function. Mr Speaker, I am beginning to feel that it is long overdue. I have heard you a number of times about how you
    Mr Matthew Nyindam (NPP -- Kpandai) 10:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Statement ably made by my good Friend, the Hon Member for Nabdam.
    Mr Speaker, listening to the doctors and the various contributors on the Floor, the disease diabetes is associated with our food and lifestyle in general. I believe a lot has been said about trying to exercise and eating well to live.
    Mr Speaker, I remember you also added your voice when an Hon Colleague talked about getting something to enable him to eat. Mr cSpeaker, I would want to appeal to our media houses that these days, it is very common to see advertisements being run -- a very big bowl of fufu with plenty meat on top and one is encouraged to get something in order to finish that particular food.
    I believe indirectly, some of these images have influence on the young ones, who at the end of the day will not know the consequences.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to appeal to the media in that particular regard, that they lessen the kind of advertisements and encouragement that they show on
    Mr Speaker 10:49 a.m.
    Thank you very much Hon Members for this very rich debate. The Statement is further referred to the Committee on Health for their study and report.
    I heard Dr Agyeman-Rawlings and Dr Okoe Boye being appropriately appreciated and we would want that they should work with Leadership, to ensure that the one or two bottlenecks that remain are removed.
    And that the suggestion by the Minority Chief Whip with regard to a roster for all Hon Members to participate in gymnastic activities to improve our health, should be taken on board immediately.
    The Media Commission exists to check certain types of untoward advertisements or media activities. And what the Majority Chief Whip has just stated is something that the Committee could take up with the Media Commission.
    Through the Hon Minister for Communications, the Committee should be able to come and brief Parliament on methods to prevent these types of advertisements which are encouraging people drink unduly, and also in the hope that that the drinks make them eat better.
    In fact, in all sincerity, if a Ghanaian could not eat normally, not superfluously without a drink, that person should
    consult a doctor because it may be due to a medical condition. He or she would be inducing their body wrongly if they take to drinking just to eat a normally.
    All these should be taken on board and therefore, I would direct that the Committee responsible for Communica- tions must take this up with the National Media Commission accordingly.
    In the same way, the Committee on Health, while considering this matter, must also consider taking this up further with the Ghana Standards Authority with regard to putting on all confectionery and soft drinks, sugar content in bold terms for the information of Ghanaians.
    The Hon Minister for Health should come and tell this Honourable House what the Ministry has done in this regard after the directive, within the next one month. These are matters that are pertinent to the good debates that we hold in this Honourable House.
    Further, considering how rich this presentation has been, we would also direct that in future, kindly give us the sources of some of these vital statistical references for further instruction of Hon Members and also, for students and others generally. I believe this could enhance our Hansard further.
    For instance, when we talk about an estimated 425 million adults worldwide having diabetes, definitely, this is a very useful information and the source must be appropriately indicated. Let us make it a part of our Statement making in this Honourable House.
    Finally, we should capture certain things: the experienced Hon Member, Yieleh Chireh gave advice; do not eat to die, eat to live. I believe this would be a
    Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh (NPP-- Nsawam-Adoagyiri) 10:49 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for your kindness.
    Mr Speaker, one of the central goals of corporate governance in this country is, Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR). Both small, medium and large scale business entities, be it private or public, have special departments often referred to as charity branch, dedicated to their CSR projects/programmes.
    Increasingly, we have read, listened and watched news items or attended CSR programmes by organisations, which expounds from health, sport, entrepre- neurship, construction, education, spon- sorship, soft loans, donations and what is viewed as a way of giving back to society.
    Indeed, many communities are blessed with boreholes, school buildings, agricul- tural supplies, and many more, due to the humanitarian efforts of these corporate organisations to ensure that the Ghanaian also benefits from their operations.
    Most Hon Members in the House, if not all, will attest to the fact that there are
    one or two projects in their Constituencies provided by corporate entities through CSR initiative.
    Mr Speaker, to epitomise CRS activities in the country, it is obvious that each company has a peculiar area of interest, which it considers paramount to invest funds to support socio-economic growth.
    Just to cite few examples from the telecommunications sector, where we have MTN, Vodafone, Tigo-Airtel and Glo, competing and making a show off with their CRS programmes to the extent of even winning awards.
    MTN Ghana Foundation with focus on three thematic areas -- Health, Education and Economic Empowerment was adjudged CSR Company of the year, 2018 and it is believed to have injected over US$13 million into its philanthropic projects.
    The Vodafone Ghana Foundation on the other hand has also made remarkable strides in the healthcare sector with the introduction of ground-breaking products like Healthline 255, a television health show, Healthfest, mentorship and education support, have brought transformations to many people. Indeed, it has received several awards for this initiative.
    Tigo Ghana, in an attempt to provide solution in social entrepreneurship and education, somewhere in 2011, launched its flagship programme ‘Tigo Change', that was expected to provide US$20,000 on annual basis for three years to support individuals with creative ideas to address challenges facing children's wellbeing.
    Airtel Ghana, though it has joined forces with the latter, received awards for its CSR strategy to improve education, community empowerments and contributing to innovation solutions.
    Mr Speaker, as stated earlier, all industry players, banks, mining, hospitality, manufacturing et cetera of the economy are contributing their quota towards development as part of their operational ethics. However, most of these projects executed through CSR are either abandoned by the beneficiaries or had become faulty.
    Agreeably, while some companies are impacting society with their CRS initiatives, others do it for the glamour or namesake; this best describes “Me too I will do some” syndrome that have led some projects executed through CSR to be lying wasted or donations of substandard products to communities. Many of the entities after inauguration ceremonies do not pay visits to these communities nor put in place maintenance strategies.
    This is not to say, I am against these development partners or I am finding fault where there is none, or perhaps I am stirring a hornet nest, but truth must be told, CSR in Ghana are in fragments, and need to be harmonised by a policy direction under a ministry or a body.
    This is done in international, develop- ment to prevent charity and philanthropy organisations from siting similar projects in the same community.
    Have I sown whirlwind in the tree that bares fragrance to many? Certainly not! As CSR is more of voluntarily, per Amposah-Tawiah and Dartey's definition that it is:
    “The strategic decision of an organisation to voluntary act upon the social factors that have the potential of militating against the fulfilment of corporate goals.”
    Sammi Caramela was of the view that CSR was paramount to building
    organisation's image because customers consider more than quality goods and services when choosing a brand.
    Many are prioritising CSR and holding corporations accountable for effecting social change with their business beliefs, practice and profits. In fact, some even turn their backs on their favourite companies if they believe they are not taking a stand for societal and environmental issues.”
    Mr Speaker, the benefit of CSR is reciprocal, as it is a business strategy for positioning. Ronald Chibuike Iwu- Egwuonwu in his article “Does Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) Impact on Firm Performance? A Literature Evidence” established from his findings that:
    “A major implication of this finding is that for CSR to enhance firm performance, its content should not simply depict what the firms favour but what the consumers favour since it is their purchasing decisions that make the difference in the patronage build up to enhance firm's financial performance. In a 2008 global study of consumer thinking by Good Purpose titled “Putting More Meaning into Marketing”, it is shown that almost seven out of 10 (68%) of consumers say that they would remain loyal to a brand during an economic downturn if it supports a good cause.”
    Mr Speaker, recent reports indicate that Tullow Oil Ghana has invested as much as US$30 million to impact some 240, 000 lives in the Western Region, with the provision of boreholes, health support and enterprise development.
    Mr Speaker 11:09 a.m.
    Thank you very much Hon Member for a well-researched Statement.
    Alhaji Abu-Bakar Saddique Boniface (NPP -- Madina) 11:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am elated by the Statement made by my Hon Colleague.
    I see CSR as a voluntary commitment of businesses to include in their corporate practices, economic, social and environ- mental activities as actions that they have to take.
    These organisations in every commu- nity, see it as part of the need to help and involve in corporate social responsibility activities, not only because it would help in their profitability but it would also help the society and citizens of the area.
    Some see it as a help to change the people in communities as well as bring a positive change to the community because of the kind of development they bring.
    Unfortunately, a lot of corporate entities have taken advantage and so in places like Germany, France and the United Kingdom (UK), they are legislated. This is to the extent that pension funds are often asked to indicate the benefits and actual work they want to use the pension funds to invest in that would benefit the people who pay their pension.
    So, it is important that with respect to CSR, we must give a legislation that would guide corporate entities into areas that are in need, such as education, health, infrastructure like roads -- If they are constructing and they get to a point and see that a particular area lacks a school, they must give them a proper school.
    However, sometimes, you would get to a particular area and find out that they say they have built a school but do not give them anything. It is just a structure they have put up and roofed it and at the end of the day, they would say they have built a school.
    Mr Speaker, it is important as it would help bring a kind of cooperation between the business entity and the community as well as the Government of the day. This would enable them do what has been spelt out in every contract that has been given out.
    I think we need to look at that. Largely, it brings about commitment, so that if one is given any contract to execute, one would know what he has to do to meet the terms of the legislation.
    Mr Speaker, our Hon Colleague's Statement is timely and it is high time we took it into business.
    On this note, I thank you very much.
    Mr Ras Mubarak (NDC -- Kumbungu) 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, just a quick one on the presentation.
    As the scripture says, there is a lot of blessing in giving than in receiving. If you look at the architecture of our country, the companies that operate within ought to be commended for what they have already done.
    However, we might be treading on dangerous grounds if all of a sudden, we decide to legislate a company's ability to give back to communities. It is very good if they give. Let us not forget that companies pay taxes.
    Now, if they pay taxes to the State and we argue, that beyond their payment of taxes, they should further give back something -- For all we know, they might not be making a profit and might end up getting caught up in the law.
    Mr Speaker, what I think we ought to do is to encourage companies to give. However, legislating might be a bit problematic.
    Mr Speaker, another way it could be looked at is that if companies would adhere to some form of legislation, then the State might be interested to give them some tax incentives or tax breaks. That of course is something that the House which represents the entirety of the Ghanaian population would have to look at.
    Mr Michael Yaw Gyato (NPP -- Krachi East) 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity and I would also want to thank Hon Annoh-Dompreh for the Statement he ably made.
    Mr Speaker, to talk about some corporate social responsibilities, we need to look at companies like COCOBOD and others like Anglo-Gold Ashanti for the role they play in making sure that at least, they support the communities as they also benefit from the communities.
    Mr Speaker, to talk about some projects which are not out of a social responsibility, but the role of the contractor or the investor to make sure that after taking their profit, at least, they are able to reclaim the land.
    For instance, with the contractors on our roads, they win the soil and after that do not give anything to the community but end up leaving the land not reclaimed.
    Mr Speaker, in talking about social responsibilities, I would also want to talk about the responsibilities of investors who come to exploit the land and do not reclaim. I would also want to talk about some social responsibilities that are not supportive to our needs.
    In most of our communities, because the philanthropists would just want to put up something, they do that without consulting the community. For instance, all they do is just go to the communities and drill a borehole.
    If a bore hole is drilled in a community, it must definitely be captured so that the Community Water and Sanitation Agency would have the data of that facility for it to be captured as part of their water coverage.
    Unfortunately, these things are done at the blind side of the various ministries that are supposed to monitor these projects and they come without any data.
    Mr Speaker, I am of the view that going forward, there should be some form of legislation to make sure that at least, these information are captured to be able to present vivid reports or data as to what exactly we want as a country.
    Mr Speaker, I would also want to talk about the importance of social respon- sibility. It is supposed to mitigate the sufferings of the people, but in most cases, these philanthropists just go to the communities without consulting them -- All they do is to just drill.
    For instance, if it is about a school block, they just go and build within a twinkle of an eye.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to suggest that there should be some form of legislation and also suggest that you direct that any time projects are referred to Committees, thyey should be in the Committee's Report, the corporate social responsibility of that particular project so that at least, when the committees also go out, they would monitor and see whether a contractor has done what is supposed to be done so that it would accordingly be tracked.
    Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity.
    Mr Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    I trust all these would be incorporated in subsequent Reports by the committees, and they shall be worked on.
    Mr Benjamin Kpodo (NDC -- Ho Central) 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to agree with Hon Colleagues that every institution, company or non-profit making organisation located in a particular area, has some responsibility to the community within which it is located.
    These are done sometimes for ethical strategic reasons and the policies are incorporated in their operations so as to enhance their value in the community.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with Hon Gyato that guidelines in the form of legislations are needed so as to guide the under- standing of what social responsibility actually means. It has been misinterpreted in several ways and it has caused mayhem everywhere, because people think they are entitled to something from a company or an institution operating in their area.
    Mr Speaker, recently, events at the University of Education, Winneba resulted into so many problems, managerial issues and a lot of confusion in the Winneba township because of corporate social responsibility demands made by some people within the area.
    They demanded on the university to employ people from that area, whether they were qualified or not. They also demanded that moneys be paid to the District Assembly for all forms of things to be done in the community.
    Mr Patrick Boamah 11:19 a.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr Speaker, this is a very important Statement made by the Hon Member for Nsawam Adoagyiri and the Hon Member from Ho Central is veering into areas which were not captured in it and m could ignite a possible debate.
    Mr Speaker, I believe the Hon Member must stay on course so that we would finish with the Statement.
    Mr Speaker 11:19 a.m.
    In contributing to a debate on a Statement made on the Floor of the House, an Hon Member is not directed by what is the content of that Statement. So, you must be very careful when you make certain statements like the Hon Member is veering away from the content of the Statement.
    If an Hon Member is saying something vituperative, irrelevant or et cetera, one could so say, but we should not say it must be derived directly from what has been said. If it is related or connected with it, and adds additional wisdom to it, one may so it.
    Hon Member, it is also important for us to identify relevant parameters at any given time because relevance is a very important point in all the Statements that we make. So, let us be reasonably confined and be proximate to the main issue before us.
    Mr Kpodo 11:19 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, my comments were directed towards the understanding of what corporate social responsibility is. There have been misunderstandings and that is what I seek to bring to the fore so that people would not demand un- necessary things naming it social responsibility.
    Mr Speaker, organisations have been established to discharge several types of duties to society and these social corporate responsibilities must be in their area or line of corporation.
    For instance, an educational institution is expected to go outside its confines and provide education related services to the community, but not for a demand to be made on the institution to
    Mr Speaker 11:29 a.m.
    The last contribution from an Hon Member and then we go to Leadership.
    Mr Abraham Dwuma Odoom (NPP -- Twifo Atti Morkwa) 11:29 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this debate.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to thank the Hon Member who made the Statement for such an important issue that he has brought to the Floor.
    Mr Speaker, the current trend is that every business plan has a corporate social responsibility component. The problem arises when it comes to the imple- mentation. Communities are so vulnerable that the history of disbursement or management of corporate social res- ponsibility has not been the best.
    Mr Speaker, in my view, a clear and a very typical case which is very dear to my heart is the Obuasi township. The fact is that gold is mined in Obuasi, yet when you go to the town, the roads are nothing to write home about.
    It is in this vein that I believe the suggestion, that some guidelines, rules or laws be made to manage corporate social responsibility, which have formed part of the business approval requirement, so that people do not have the opportunity to mismanage it.
    I believe that if we have these guidelines and the corporate social responsibility which has been approved within a business plan is made clear to the community, with the community participating in its management, it would augur well for this country.
    Mr Speaker, with these few words, I would want to thank you for the opportunity given me.
    Mr Speaker 11:29 a.m.
    Minority Leadership?
    Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 11:29 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the oppor- tunity to contribute to the Statement made by the Hon Annoh-Dompreh on “Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR), the Need for Legislation”. Mr Speaker, I commend the Hon Member for his initiative.
    Mr Speaker, in doing so, globally, some call it “responsible business”, others call it “self-regulation” or “corporate conscience” while others also call it “good corporate citizens”.
    We must be mindful that, there are responsible businesses in our country, whether in the mining sector, the telecommunication sector or in the food chain subsector that have made significant contributions as corporate social responsibility.
    I do know that at the Ministry of Trade and Industry, there exists a corporate social responsibility policy.
    Mr Speaker, but what the Hon Annoh- Dompreh is asking for is whether as a country, we cannot depart from voluntary decisions of corporate entities to mandatory schemes. So that we dictate for these corporate entities what they should do in order to support, particularly, communities in which they operate.
    Mr Speaker, I will use the example of Ashanti Goldfields Company Limited or Newmont Ghana. We can legislate that they must take care, for instance, if they operate in an area where there is no hospital or access to a good medical facility; even the road infrastructure is poor -- can we not make it mandatory for them instead of leaving it to a voluntary decision?
    Mr Speaker, as our Hon Colleague said, every corporate entity has a corporate plan. The worry in Ghana is that sometimes, we reduce corporate social responsibility to funeral donations and to matters of outdooring ceremonies. That is not acceptable. Those social inter- ventions cannot qualify as corporate social responsibility.
    Good corporate citizens -- even to the banks in this country -- Recently, I read that in the Western Region, AKA Petroleum Ghana Limited is undertaking some scholarship schemes; that will qualify as a corporate social responsibility.
    The Hon Member makes his own references to MTN, Tigo, Vodafone and others. But they can do more. If, for instance, they are quoting US$20,000, can they not adjust it up to a million? It should be possible on the basis of their profitability and others.
    Mr Speaker, but corporate social responsibility must be driven by need and probably that is where I find his suggestion appropriate. What is the need of the community in which they are operating? There must be a felt need. Maybe, they would want to even address the problem of diabetes in the area.
    They can dedicate their money to a health fund that would address the problem of old age and old persons associated with diabetes.
    Mr Speaker, so, let me commend the Hon Member for the Statement and say that we should look at how we have pursued the policy. But as I have indicated, we should recognise that in Ghana, many of the corporate entities have paid their dues.
    As insignificant as it may be, they have contributed to the socio-economic development of the areas that they operate but we can do more.
    Mr Speaker, for instance, recently when you engaged STAR Ghana, which has been working with Parliament and the Committees of Parliament, my thinking was that we should have a corporate social responsibility fund that supports governance.
    Mr Speaker 11:29 a.m.
    Majority Leadership?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:29 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would yield to the Hon Patrick Boamah.
    Mr Speaker 11:29 a.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Patrick Yaw Boamah (NPP -- Okaikwei Central) 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we have had a very rich debate on this matter. But I may refer Hon Members to section 100 of the Income Tax Act, 2015 where we have the headnote “Contributions and dona- tions to a worthwhile cause”. Mr Speaker, your permission, I beg to read:
    “(1) Where the income for a year of assessment in respect of a person [which may include a company] who has made a donation or contributed to worthwhile cause is to be ascertained under section 2, the person may claim a deduction that is equal to the contribution and donation made by that person during the year for a worthwhile cause approved by Government under subsection
    (2)”.
    The law lists what constitutes a worthwhile cause.
    (a) a charitable organisation which meets the requirement of section
    97;
    (b) a scheme of scholarship for an academic, technical, professional and other course of study;
    (c) development of any rural area or urban area;
    (d) sports development or sports promotion; and
    (e) any other worthwhile cause approved by the Commissioner- General.
    Mr Speaker, no company comes into this country to be a Father Christmas; they all come here to make profit. So, you cannot legislate to coerce a company to undertake certain projects under what we term corporate social responsibility even though we have the moral suasion to do that.
    Mr Speaker, this Statement has reignited the reason for my calling for “A Charity Commission” where all the so- called charities that have been enumerated in the area of sports can be brought under one umbrella under the Commissioner-General in charge of charities.

    Mr Speaker, this is what pertains in many jurisdictions like the UK and India, where we have a Charity Commissioner who operates such charities to ensure that all the donations and other activities aimed at helping various communities are brought under his or her care.

    Mr Speaker, when we do that, we would be able to synchronise all these activities that companies undertake. Vodafone, MTN Foundation, Ghana Cement (GHACEM) and others do some of these things to reduce their tax obligations which is allowed under law.

    We have section 100 under the Income Tax Law; if we look at the Incorporated Private Partnership Act, we would find a separate legislation there. Section 10 of the Companies Law under companies limited by guarantee, we have some of these activities being undertaken by certain individuals and companies.

    So, the only reason and the important thing that we ought to do is to have this Charities Commissions set in place to regulate these activities and bring some uniformity in the area of charities and Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR).

    With these few words, Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for the opportunity.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Thank you very much. The Statement is referred to the Com- mittee on Employment, Social Welfare and State Enterprises to examine it further.
    I would implore that the Hon Member who made the Statement and the Hon First Deputy Speaker should join the Committee with a view to working on possible legislation to bring into law these issues regarding corporate social responsibility and realign them in a way that would make everything consistent and ascertain what would qualify for it.
    Like the Hon Minority Leader said, the Committee should also consider whether funeral donations should come within this, so as not to trivialise this very important thing, but rather make it a very useful component in our developmental process.
    If we could start a Private Member's Bill, we would be seen to be contributing immensely in this regard.
    That ends time for Statements.
    Hon Members, at the Commencement of Public Business.
    Item numbered 5 -- Presentation of Papers.
    Item numbered 5(a), by the Hon Minister for Finance?
    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, may I seek your indulgence and that of Hon Colleagues to have the Hon Deputy Minister for Finance lay the Paper on behalf of the substantive Minister in respect of item numbered 5(a) given what the Hon Minister is doing currently.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Thank you very much.
    Hon Deputy Minister for Finance?
    PAPERS 11:39 a.m.

    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Item numbered 5(c), Chairman of the Committee?
    Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Chairman of the Committee on Subsidiary Legislation is not in the House. I am a member of the Committee and would like to lay it on his behalf.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon Member, you may proceed.
    By Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh (on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee)
    -- 11:39 a.m.

    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Item numbered 5(d), Chairman of the Committee on Roads and Transport?
    Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I earlier asked the Chairman of the Committee and he said this Report is not ready.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Do you know as a fact that the Report is not ready?
    Very well. We shall proceed accordingly.
    Item listed 6 -- Motion.
    Chairman of the Committee?
    MOTIONS 11:39 a.m.

    Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on
    the Financing Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and the International Development Asso- ciation (IDA) of the World Bank Group for an amount of twenty-seven million, nine hundred thousand special drawing rights (SDR27,900,000.00) [Equivalent to US40 million] to finance the proposed Tourism Development Project.
    Mr Speaker, in so doing, I present your Committee's Report.
    Introduction
    The request for approval of the Financing Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and the International Development Asso- ciation (IDA) of the World Bank Group for an amount equivalent to twenty-seven million, nine hundred thousand Special Drawing Rights (SDR27,900,000) (Equivalent to US$40 million) to finance the Proposed Tourism Development Project was presented to the House by the Hon Minister for Finance, Mr Ken Ofori-Atta on Wednesday, 31st October, 2018 in accordance with article 181 of the 1992 Constitution.
    Mr Speaker referred the request to the Finance Committee for consideration and report, in accordance with Order 169 of the Standing Orders of the House.
    The Committee was assisted in its deliberations by the Hon Minister for Tourism, Culture and Creative Arts, Ms Catherine Abelema Afeku, a Deputy Minister for Finance, Mrs Abena Osei Asare and officials from the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Creative Arts.
    The Committee is grateful to the Hon Minister, the Deputy Minister and officials for attending upon it to assist in the deliberations.
    Reference
    The Committee referred to the following documents in its deliberations:
    The 1992 Constitution of Ghana;
    The Standing Orders of the Parliament of Ghana;
    The Public Financial Management Act, 2016 (Act 921);
    The Ghana Tourism Act, 2011 (Act 817); and
    The Ghana Investment Promotion Centre Act, 2013 (Act 865).
    Background
    The tourism sector in Ghana has over the years contributed significantly to government's tax revenue, contribute to the foreign exchange earnings of the country, create employment opportunities and enhance economic growth.
    In 2016, tourism contributed US$1,000 300,000 representing three per cent of the country's GDP. The sector also provided employment for about 287,900 people representing 2.4 per cent of total employment in the country.
    Ghana is well-endowed with numerous tourism potentials, including parks, protected areas, and cultural attractions with the potential to attract high spending and environmentally conscious tourists.
    Ghana is also well-positioned to take advantage of the current increase in demand for nature-based adventure tourism, eco-based tourism and cultural experiences to generate more revenue for
    the State if the needed investments are made to develop the country's tourist sites.
    Notwithstanding the numerous tourism advantages and potential demands, the absence of a public sector strategic intervention and resources have collectively contributed to make the sector uncompetitive compared to that of peer countries on the continent.
    To address the weaknesses and remove the constraints, the Government has developed a National Tourism Development Plan (2013 - 2027). The plan, among others, seeks to place tourism within the development agenda, promote investment in tourism and develop tourist infrastructure, marketing and supply chain links.
    However, lack of coordination with the private sector and weak capacity of key tourist institutions have hindered tourism promotion and development.
    The sector is also constrained by numerous government regulations, burdensome visa requirements, poor domestic air service, low quality and substandard tourist site and exemption of tourism SMEs from the incentive package under the Ghana Investment Promotion Centre Act, 2013 (Act 865).
    Consequently, the sector remained marginalised with its regulatory and development agencies receiving minimal budgets, thereby lacking the qualified human resources needed to develop the sector.
    The proposed Tourism Sector Improvement Project therefore seeks to remove the constraints and create a business enabling environment to help both domestic and international firms grow their operation. The project also seeks to
    Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 11:39 a.m.


    enhance the sector's offering, diversify its impact and enable wider participation in the tourism value chain and increase the contribution of tourism to the country's GDP.

    Project Description

    The Tourism Sector Improvement Project which is being financed by a US$40 million IDA facility is aimed at improving performance of tourism in targeted destinations in Ghana. The project is divided into four (4) main components:

    Component 1: Strengthening the Tourism Enabling Environment (US$15 million).

    This component is targeted at addressing constraints that are most likely to have transformative impact on the Tourism Sector in Ghana. Activities in this component include:

    i. Tourism Skill Development (US$10 million): The amount allocated under this activity will be applied towards the development of viable training centers to provide training for quality graduates for the tourism industry. It will also support the delivery of quality training in tourism and hospitality through the development of curriculum, teacher training and accreditation standards.

    ii. Aviation and Entry Visa Policy (US$1.0 million): This amount will be applied to help attract domestic and international travel operators to the country and also improve entry visa policies and systems.

    iii. Tourism Branding and Marketing (US$4.0 million): This allocation

    will be applied to national marketing, promotion and branding strategy and develop an action plan to address the marketing and branding challenges facing the sector.

    Component 2: Developing Tourism Sites (US$15 million).

    The objective of this component is to address the current challenges facing the tourism sector by financing activities to upgrade tourist sites, package market opportunities and leverage private sector investment in the development and commercialisation of selected tourist assets.

    The component will be implemented through two activities as follow:

    i.Destination planning (US$1 million): This activity will ensure the upgrade of viable destination areas in the context of sus- tainable destination plans; and

    ii. Site Upgrade Schemes (US$14 million): This will enable site upgrade schemes that will provide quality, access and safety upgrades to a minimum of five public owned sites within the destination areas and also provide matching grant assis- tance to sites that are not publicly owned to ensure quality upgrade. A list of the sites to be upgraded is provided as an attachment in the Appendix.

    Component 3: Tourism Enterprise Support Programme (US$5 million).

    The component seeks to provide tourism SMEs, particularly women owned SMEs, with the opportunity to improve

    their business planning, formalise their businesses and apply for matching grants to upgrade their tourist products and services.

    Component 4: Project Management (US$5 million).
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Hon Chairman for this able presentation. Any seconder?
    Mr Alex Adomako-Mensah (NDC — Sekyere Afram Plains) 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion and in doing so, I would like to make few comments.
    The Government of Ghana is taking another loan. Tourism is the world's largest and most rapidly growing industry. It is extremely labour intensive and a significant source of employment and income. It creates many employment opportunities in different areas such as transportation, accommodation and then tourist attraction sites.
    Mr Speaker, the Project has four components; the first one has three items. It is not enough to have interesting, natural and cultural attractions as well as friendly people. The infrastructural development is the crucial part of tourism development.
    Firstly, in the tourism skills develop- ment, we need the availability of skills and trained manpower. These are crucial elements in any tourism development, plan and programme.
    We need to train our people in order to handle the tourism industry because when we compare our industry to the foreign ones, our staff are not well qualified in certain fields. Therefore, we need to train them in institutions so that they could be up to the level of the foreign industries so that the tourism industry will be more attractive.
    Mr Speaker, when we look at the visa aspect, there is a problem because it takes longer time and it is difficult to obtain visas for foreign tourists when they come into the country.
    11.49 a.m. When such things happen, the tour operators would select countries whose requirements are easily accessible and easy to gain visas. So it is high time we did something about the visa issue to enable people to access it through the internet.
    On the branding, the amount allocated is US$4.0 million, but in doing competitive analysis in other countries, then we have to look at it in a holistic way. This is because when we want to advertise on Cable News Network (CNN) or Sky News Television, we need to quote a higher amount.
    To brand Ghana and project it to where we want it to be, with an amount of US$4.0 million, I believe that we need to spend more so that the nation can be where we want it to be. Mr Speaker, what we are noted for as a country is cocoa, but when you go to our Embassies in the world, cocoa is not seen. So, we need to find a way of addressing this issue.
    When we go to the “Observations”, the high cost of hotels is another issue we need to look at. This is because if you compare our hotel prices with other foreign countries, ours is a bit higher and so, we need to review it so that that alone could be an attractive package for people to come into our country.
    Mr Speaker, tourism growth, planning, standards and regulation have become important parts of tourism, and so, too much of regulation would kill the industry. We need to find a way to regulate the industry to make it easy for people to understand our system, because when we make our regulation system rigid, it would push people away from entering our country.
    With these few words, I second the Motion.
    Mr Richard Acheampong (NDC — Bia East) 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity. [Interruption.]
    Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah — rose —
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon Chairman, is there any difficulty?
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I moved the Motion and the Hon Deputy Ranking Member seconded. So, I thought that you were going to come to our Side and the Hon Minister for Communications was on her feet and ready to speak --
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Unfortunately, the Hon Minister for Communications did not catch my eye at that time. I would have been glad if she had but she did not. Soon after, I will come to the Hon Minister.
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 11:39 a.m.
    Very well. She asked me to speak on her behalf.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    The Hon Minister knows that I would very much love for her to catch my eye any time. So do not worry. Yes, Hon Member, you may continue.
    Mr R. Acheampong 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to support the Motion captured on page 3 of the Order Paper.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that a US$40 million facility to support the tourism industry is the way to go. My concern has to with the name.
    The name of the Ministry is Tourism, Arts and Culture, and so, one would have expected that, at least, in distributing the US$40 million, a portion would be
    allocated to our creative arts industry to also support our musicians and filmmakers because we are talking about creation of employment.
    Page 2 of our Report indicates that in the year 2013, our tourism industry contributed US$1billion, which is about three per cent of our total GDP. Within that same period, we created an employment of issue 287,900.
    Mr Speaker, so, the question is, if we are to invest more into the tourism sector, there is the likelihood that we are going to create more employment for our youth and upcoming artistes. If we look at the distribution and other components, we cannot find any allocation to the creative arts.
    We have heard several times that our brothers and sisters are complaining that they are not getting the needed support which their counterparts in Nigeria and other countries are getting.
    So, I believe that it is high time we had a second look at it and supported the creative industry.
    If you turn to page 3 of the Report, we are allocating US$1million for Aviation and Entry Visa Policy. We cannot take a loan facility, pay with all these conditions and then use US$1million to facilitate an entry for a tourist. It should be a Government policy to make entry into our country very flexible.
    We do not need to take a loan and allocate US$1million to facilitate an entry visa for a tourist. I believe it is a misplaced priority. Government should come up with a policy and engage the border officers that whoever applies to visit any tourist centre in the country, these conditions may apply.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon Member, respectfully, are you saying that someone misled Parliament?
    Mr R. Acheampong 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, this is the component of the expenditure.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Hon Member, let us go straight to the point. Are you making that as a statement on the Floor of the House?
    Mr R. Acheampong 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes, because it is contained in the Report and it has become public information.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    In the process, an Hon Member misled Parliament?
    Mr R. Acheampong 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, no. That is not the point.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    Then you may want to withdraw the word “misled” aspect and let us move on.
    Mr R. Acheampong 11:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I did not use the word “misled”.
    Mr Speaker 11:39 a.m.
    You did not. If it so appears, it should be expunged.
    Mr R. Acheampong 11:59 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, then on the same page, we are spending US$4 million for branding, another US$10 million for capacity building of the officers and other stakeholders.
    I believe that the Committee should take steps to monitor how we are to undertake this exercise so that there will be value for money.
    Mr Speaker, there is an appendix attached to the Report on tourist sites which indicates the regions and the locations where they are going to undertake all these projects.

    Mr Speaker, there is no budget allocated to those sites. So, if we take the Greater Accra Region, under planned works, we have “redesign of site entrance, improve vehicular access, re-shaping the receptive centre, improvement of trails and provision of safari vehicles”. We do not know how much these things would cost us.

    Mr Speaker, if we take the Northern Region also, under selected sites, we have the Makango Beach, but we do not know how much we would spend on it. So at least, there should be an indicative figure to guard all of us so that, if a Committee moves to the region to monitor progress of work, we may have it at the back of our heads that US$5 million has been allocated to the region, and as a result, we would be able to ask what we should get from the US$5 million that was allocated to that region.

    Mr Speaker, we have the sites without any budgetary allocations attached to it. Therefore, the Hon Minister, going forward, could help the Committee to, at least, give us an indicative budget, so that Hon Members can get themselves prepared when they visit these sites because we know that they have invested so much into these projects and would be aware of the returns or the dividends.

    This would prevent Hon Members from sitting here to give approvals without making sure that there is value for money as to the loans that we have approved.
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    Mr Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister for Communication?
    Minister for Communications (Mrs Ursula G. Owusu-Ekuful) (MP) 11:59 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, I am delighted to add my voice to support this very laudable facility, which is geared towards assisting us improve upon our tourism potential in this country.
    Mr Speaker, as the Report indicates, tourism can be the major revenue earner for this country if we prioritise investment in the sector. This facility is geared towards that. It takes care of many of the very critical foundational areas that need
    to be strengthened in terms of the enabling environment, skills development, entry policy, branding and the development of the tourist sites generally.
    Mr Speaker, we are all called upon to sell our country wherever we are, in terms of the clothes we wear, the food we eat, our music, our drama, our dance and the proverbial Ghanaian hospitality, and I believe we are doing that to some extent.
    Mr Speaker, one thing that the Ministry needs to look at also is the use to which the Tourism Levy is being put. I believe that we can utilise technology to enhance the enforcement of payments of this levy, to track it and to utilise it effectively so that it is not abused. This facility would free up funding from other areas to support further development of the sector.
    Mr Speaker, I am pleased to inform the House that the facilitation of ease of entry into the country through the automation of visa application and acquisition process is currently being done under the e-transform project, and so in the design of this proposal, if the Ministry of Tourism Arts and Culture had had conversations with the Ministry of Communications, then we could have provided them with that information.
    But when that US$1 million -- if freed up because this is already being done, I would urge the Ministry to consider putting it into upgrading the Big Tree site at Akim Oda, which is the largest tree in the West African sub-region, which is not captured in the list of sites in the Report to be upgraded.
    I believe once access roads to the site are improved, it can also generate even more tourism potential from the Akim Oda area, to enhance the various attractions that are available in the country.
    Mr Speaker, I also noticed that the Duasidan Monkey Sanctuary in the Brong Ahafo Region is one of the sites that are being proposed for upgrading, but there is also the Boabeng Fiema Monkey Sanctuary as well, and so for the other things that need to be done, we should also enable the Boabeng Fiema Monkey Sanctuary to be more attractive for tourists to visit. I urge the Ministry to consider that as well.
    Mr Speaker, if we can do what needs to be done to encourage even more tourist arrivals and to encourage more tourists to stay and visit the various sites in this country, it would re-generate our country's sites as well.
    I am glad that there is a gender empowerment component of this whole project, which would enable women living in these various tourist catchment areas to also earn a decent living through the various economic opportunities that would be generated, once these various tourist sites are made more attractive for more tourists to visit.
    Mr Speaker, while we are at it, however, we would also need to look at the dark side of tourism as well, and take steps to protect our young ones from being preyed upon by sexual predators, who may take advantage of the opening up of our country to tourists, to probably abuse our young people.
    It is important that while we are stepping up education about the positives, we should also take steps to protect our young people in our rural communities from the negative sides of tourism.
    Mr Speaker, I would urge this House to approve this facility and urge the Ministry of Tourism, Arts and Culture to
    work assiduously towards applying it as quickly as possible to re-generate the tourist sites around the country.
    Mr Speaker, I would also want the Hon Minister responsible for Tourism, Arts and Culture to look into the opportunity of also reviving our Forts and Castles, make them also more attractive for people to visit, utilise technology to showcase our very rich history and sell our country even more potently to the rest of the world as a very attractive tourist destination.
    Mr Speaker, thank you.
    Mr Speaker 11:59 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Hon Minister, for your contribution.
    Yes, Hon Member?
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    Dr Kwabena Donkor (NDC -- Pru East) 11:59 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, I would lend my support to your Committee's Report, but in so doing, I would want to raise a few issues.
    Mr Speaker, on page 3 of the Committee's Report, there is a sentence that says that the sector is also constrained by numerous Government regulations, burdensome visa require- ments et cetera.
    Mr Speaker, I am extremely concerned when regulations are mentioned in such broad terms. One of the biggest chal- lenges that this country has faced for the last five years or so has been regulatory and enforcement failure, and therefore, wholesale sweeping away of regulations -- Regulations are there to ensure compliance.
    Mr Speaker, if we look at what happened to small scale mining --”galamsey”, as we popularly call it, it is as a result of regulatory failure.
    Dr Kwabena Donkor (NDC -- Pru East) 12:09 p.m.
    If we look at the banking crises that we have today, it is as a result of regulatory failure. If we look at Menzgold and all those issues, they epitomise regulatory failure in our country, and therefore, the fact of sweeping away regulations generally must not be encouraged.
    Mr Speaker, if the Ministry has a specific regulation that it thinks is counterproductive, then they should bring out that specific regulation and probably do away with it or amend it.
    But if we generally believe that regulation is counterproductive, then we are substituting one set of challenges with a worse form of challenges. So, I would want the Committee to take a second look at the crafting of that part of the Report.

    Mr Speaker, I would have been very happy if the Ministry had come up with the type of tourism that we would want to promote. Which segment of tourism; is it the upper sector, eco-tourism, cultural tourism, mass tourism and so on? Mass tourism has its attendant negatives which may probably even outweigh the positives.

    Is it what we would want to do as a country? The Ministry should lead us to know the exact segment that we are targeting. We should not just shoot across the tourism space without targeting. This country is well-positioned for eco-tourism where the income per capita in eco- tourism far outweighs the income we would get from general tourism.

    Mr Speaker, we are also well located; we are the nearest landmass to the centre of the world because we have longitude zero degrees and latitude zero degrees

    passing through our territorial space and that alone could be a major thrust of promotion so that people could come and see the centre of the world.

    The intersection is in our territorial waters and there is so much that we could do to attract the type of tourism where expenditure per capita is high. That is the sort of tourism that breeds development not what the British would say as bonds on seat -- mass tourism. So, we should be distinctive in what we would want to do.

    Mr Speaker, the last point I want to raise before taking my seat is the Appendix. In the Appendix, I see the development of a beach at Makango which used to be called Yeji North.

    Mr Speaker, on the old maps we would see Makango as Yeji North and the Volta River is what separates the Northern Region from the Brong Ahafo Region. If we want to develop a beach at the northern sector, would it not be equally profitable and prudent to develop a similar beach at the southern sector which then would have been Yeji in my constituency? Mr Speaker, I would recommend this to the Hon Minister.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
    Mr Speaker 12:09 p.m.
    Thank you very much.
    Dr Anthony Akoto Osei.
    Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation (Dr Anthony Akoto Osei) 12:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you and I rise to add my voice to urge Hon Members to support what perhaps might be the first substantive loan for the tourism industry in Ghana. Mr Speaker, I wonder why it took so long for us to get there, but it is better late than never.
    Mr Speaker, as the Committee on Finance, our first task was to look at the terms and conditions of the loan. I have heard Hon Members contribute but no one had looked at the terms and conditions.
    I would want to remind Hon Members that the grant element of the loan is over 33 per cent, and put in a different language it is as if we are getting a 100 per cent loan, but we are only paying for 67 per cent. The usual 35 per cent criterion that the IMF used to apply is acceptable in this sense.
    Mr Speaker, but it would take a while for us to pay and the grace period is five years and the repayment period is 12 years.
    Mr Speaker, Ghana having become a middle income country, has moved to a different state where the World Bank is concerned, so these are the terms that we have and for that reason I would urge Hon Members to approve it.

    Mr Speaker, we moved to the Oberoi Hotel in India which is owned by an Indian and we spent most days discussing with government officials issues about passports and so on.

    Mr Speaker, so, we were very tired but the atmosphere is such that once we got into our rooms we did not need anything to make us sleep. The décor is such that we could see that Mauritius had gone a long way.

    Mr Speaker, we went to those who issued visas and passports and by law, if a person applies for a passport, within four days, if it is not received then whoever is in charge would be in trouble.

    Mr Speaker, we do not have that here and the Report is talking about online visa. It is about time we did this. I remember when the late Jake Obetsebi Lamptey was the Hon Minister for Tourism, he tried to do an advertisement on the Cable News Network (CNN) for the tourism industry.

    Mr Speaker, that was the last time I saw anybody advertising Ghana on CNN. Mr Speaker, if we look at CNN we would see that all the smaller countries like the Gambia advertise so much and this costs money. I believe that Ghana has the potential to let tourism even become bigger than cocoa and so we need to start developing this industry.

    Mr Speaker, my only regret is that the Osu Castle was not mentioned this time, but I hope it would be mentioned next time. I was told that half of the castle, that is the part that are not offices would be developed into tourist sites.

    Mr Speaker, Prince Charles went there and so I hope the Hon Minister has not abandoned that idea. I know that the Elmina Castle is there but the Osu Castle is also very important.

    Mr Speaker, I would want to urge Hon Members that it is better late than never and so let us start. My good Friend, Hon Buah, who is the former Hon Minister for Energy knows that his constituency is a very popular place for tourism.

    The way they go in and out of there with boats. They do other things but that notwithstanding, I believe that it is a good place and I hope that his constituency was considered.
    Mr Speaker 12:09 p.m.
    We would take Leadership and the Hon Minister may make few comments.
    Hon Minority Leader?
    Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to make some comments on the Motion. I am unable to give it my full support, save to ask for some more particulars and some additional information.
    Mr Speaker, we are being called upon, as rightly mentioned by the Hon Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation, on article 181 of the Constitution as regards our first obligation as Parliament. May I respectfully refer you to the last paragraph on page four of your Report. He has done justice to the issue.
    If you look at the facility of US$40 million equivalent SDR 27,900,000, the interest of 1.25 per cent per annum with repayment period of 25 years and a grace period of 60 months (5 years), commitment charges of 0.5 per cent is acceptable. It generally meets our concession criteria and can as well qualify for our support.
    Mr Speaker, the second principle is tourism. We have been told in your Committee's Report, again, let me refer you to page two, paragraph three; US$1, 000,300,000 representing three per cent of the country's GDP. Ghana can do better than that.
    The contribution of tourism at only three per cent does not reflect our capacity as a country. We can do even 10 per cent of GDP, given what tourism can do.
    The Hon Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture has used the example of Mauritius. I would like to add to her list; Singapore's tourism, Dubai's tourism and Zambia's Zambezi River also have advantages of tourism.
    Mr Speaker, as regards why I said I have a difficulty supporting it, may I refer you to paragraph four of your Committee's Report, and if I may quote:
    “1. Tourism Skill Development (US$10 million): The amount allocated under this activity will be applied towards the develop- ment of viable training centres to provide training for quality graduates for the tourism industry.”
    Which tourism industry?
    Mr Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon (Dr) Akoto Osei?
    Dr A. A. Osei 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I just wanted my Hon Friend and Colleague to remember that there is a substantive Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture. It is not I who is the Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture. I spoke as the Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation. I do not want him to give me that position. The substantive Minister is here. He said the Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture just finished adding Mauritius. The Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture has not spoken yet.
    Mr Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Iddrisu 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am guided. I said the Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation had mentioned Mauritius and that I would add to the list. Therefore, I have added to the list.
    Mr Speaker, now, why I have a difficulty supporting this Motion - I now refer you to paragraph 4; Tourism Skills Development.
    Mr Speaker, in this House, our mandate beyond the terms and conditions is oversight. If that oversight is to demand value for money, US$10 million multiplied by GH¢4.5 is colossal. Now we are told of training for quality graduates.
    Mr Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee?
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, respectfully, I do not like doing this to the Hon Minority Leader. If he has read this Report --
    Mr Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon Chairman, you can make your point of correction, if any, without telling us what you like and what you do not like. [Laughter.] Otherwise, very soon, we shall enter the area of your favourite dish.
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 12:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point of order, under Observations, there is training and capacity building. After the Ministry submits this request, the Committee interrogates the request further. So under observation, you would find that the Committee noted that an amount of US$10 million out of the Facility has been dedicated to training and capacity building.
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry indicated to the Committee that they are going to build two training institutes; one in the Western Region and another in the Eastern Region. Unless of course he has not read the Report entirely, this is clearly captured in it.
    Mr Speaker 12:19 p.m.
    Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Iddrisu 12:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am holding your Committee's Report, and I can assure the Hon Chairman that I have read the
    entire document, and I would raise my issues.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the protection. Read page 5 of your Committee's Report. The first bullet paragraph on training and capacity building reads:
    “The Committee noted that an amount of US$10 million out of the facility has been dedicated to training and capacity building in the Hospitality Industry.”
    Where is the breakdown? Which training facility and how many people are they going to train? How many people would benefit? I am saying that, in the exercise of oversight, we should request for more fine details.
    Mr Speaker, I go further. Let me come to this point; branding. With branding, very recently, you had the honour on behalf of this country to welcome the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall to Ghana. That is a fine opportunity for branding.
    Even as the President engaged with them, the mere visit of the Prince of Wales is enough to put Ghana at centre stage for international global attention. That is what you do. So we expect that the Hon Minister for Tourism and other affected Ministers --
    Mr Speaker, indeed, when we were vetting the Hon Minister for Information, I gave that example. If we are entering Downing Street, in the British Prime Minister's office, I saw it around the country. You would see football -- Great Britain; innovation -- Great Britain; culture -- Great Britain. That is selling Great Britain. Where do we uniquely find Ghana?
    So, when we say we want to brand, they should come here with a concept of how they want to brand Ghana and to position Ghana as an attractive investment destination. It does not lie with the President or Hon Minister say that Ghana is an attractive investment destination. We need to market further.
    With that one, I know that, then as the Hon Minister for Trade and Industry, there used to be a brand Ghana Council, which was working with the Ghana Advertising Association to get some branding going for the Republic.
    Mr Speaker, back to your Committee's Report, I listened to the Hon Minister for Communication, and then I come to the paragraph; facilitation of ease of entry into the country.
    The Hon Minister for Tourism is quoted as saying that he informed the Committee that one of the primary constraints to tourism promotion in Ghana is the cumbersome visa application and acquisition processes.
    Now, how do we intend to cure this with US$1 million? It is not possible. I recall even as Hon Minister for Communication, starting what is known as the Electronic- Immigration process far back in 2012. It functioned.
    Mr Speaker, if you go to Kotoka International Airport now, the Electronic- Immigration facility is resting somewhere because of the new Terminal 3. She needs to work with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and the Minister for the Interior to ease it.
    Even Ghanaians abroad have problems accessing visa to travel to their own country. That should not be the case. We
    should work it out. But it would not be a matter limited to tourism. To the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and the Ministry of the Interior, I do not find the amount of money you are allocating good enough.
    Mr Speaker, still on your Committee's Report, they have indicated a tourism enterprise support of US$5 million. The component seeks to provide tourism SME, particular women-owned SMEs with the opportunity --

    Mr Speaker, who are we going to allocate this money to and how much? Mr Speaker, now let me refer you to the Appendix, and the Appendix reads: regions, oversight - and that is why I have said that I need better particulars to satisfy myself.

    Provisional list of Selected Tourist Sites Across the Country Earmarked for Enhancement: Labadi Pleasure Beach; Construction of washroom facilities, and Landscaping. How much would it cost? It is not stated.

    Greater Accra, Shai Hills Resource Reserve; Redesign of site entrance, improve vehicular access and reshaping the receptive centre. How much is it? We do not know.

    Ashanti, Lake Bosomtwe Basin, Bonwire Craft Centre Rehabilitation and what is listed, how much, we do not know. In the exercise of oversight, I am unable to support this.

    We should know what dedicated amount would go for reshaping. Northern Region, Makango -- and even as I see Northern Region, conspicuously lost, the most attractive tourism site is the Mole Game Reserve.
    Mr Speaker 12:29 p.m.
    Thank you very much, Hon Minority Leader.
    Majority Leadership?
    Ms Sarah Adwoa Safo (NPP-- Dome Kwabenya) 12:29 p.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to support the Motion that was ably moved by the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee for the approval of this loan for the Ministry of Tourism.
    Mr Speaker, I wish to put on record that indeed, all the details of the information that is being requested by the Hon Minority Leader to have been part of the Report was provided to the Committee, just as the Hon Chairman stated, and so for the Report, the practice has been that you do not have everything stated in it properly.
    The Report is meant to be a summary of what the Committee assessed and the recommendations of the Committee for which the entire House would have to consider.
    So I support the Report that has been moved to the extent that tourism is an area --
    Mr Richard Acheampong 12:29 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, respectfully, the Hon Deputy Majority Leader should not create the impression that some information was provided to the Committee but we refused to attach them.
    This was the information provided, and these are the issues we have raised, so she should not create the impression that the Committee is hiding some information from Hon Members. We do not have any estimate, so what we have is what was presented to us.
    We have not left out any information whatsoever.
    Ms Safo 12:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe my Hon Colleague misunderstood what I said.
    What I said was that the breakdown of information that is being requested by the Hon Minority Leader ordinarily would be
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    found in the agreement, and so if my Hon Colleague had taken the pain to read the agreement that was provided to the Committee -- which I know is very bulky, so probably he skipped that one -- he would have found that information in it.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Chairman has made it known on the Floor, and he is not the only Hon Member on the Committee. I also happen to be a member of the Finance Committee.
    Mr Speaker, ordinarily, being a finance person, he would focus on the figures, and being a lawyer, I focused on the agreement, and I know that information is provided.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that tourism is a sector that can support the economy even more than what it is doing now.
    On page 2, we are told that it contributes about 3 per cent of our total GDP. We have the capacity, we have the vision and we have the manpower to actually expand the tourism sector to create more jobs for our youth.

    Mr Speaker, unemployment is a major issue in this country, but tourism has made certain economies as independent and as viable as in the west. We have talked about Singapore and Dubai and there are many other countries like Mauritius as well which have improved that sector and are yielding the necessary economic benefits there is to it.

    I know that with vision and this enthusiasm of our current Hon Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture, I know she will move the Ministry and the whole sector forward.

    Mr Speaker, we are told that it creates about 287,900 jobs. Mr Speaker, with even that, if we focus and we invest our resources and have the vision that we want to increase that number and create jobs, which our youth are looking for, which is a burden on every Government, whether current, previous or successive Government -- It had been a major problem for us.

    If we encourage our youth to move into that sector, I believe that we can strengthen it.

    Mr Speaker, unfortunately, I did not see Sesame Castle in it and I am very saddened because I know the Hon Minister visited it. Mr Speaker, Sesame Castle is in the Dome-Kwabenya Constituency where indeed you would find very interesting sites and history. I know that probably, the Hon Minister would consider that subsequently.
    Mr Speaker, if you look at article 35 (7) of the Constitution, it states 12:39 p.m.
    “As far as practicable, a govern- ment shall continue and execute projects and programmes commenced by the previous Governments.”
    Mr Speaker, I am happy to note on page two of the Report that indeed the sector has a national tourism development agenda and a strategic plan which is between the period of 2013 to 2027 and the Hon Minister has incorporated it in this project meaning that she is satisfying this requirement which is constitutional in article 35 (7).
    Mr Speaker, it means this current Government needs not have been the originator of that strategic plan. But for the common good of this country and for the benefit of the ordinary Ghanaian, we
    need to continue it and she is doing that. I believe we all ought to applaud her for that.
    Mr Speaker, I believe the Hon Minister ought to focus on remuneration for employees in that sector and I know that for training and capacity building, we can train as much as we want. We can let them have all the ethics, but if remuneration is not as good as it is supposed to be, that is where we have issues where tourists come into this country, check in into a hotel, leave their wallets or belongings, come back to their rooms and they cannot find them. That taints the international image of Ghana.
    So, in asmuch as we input a lot into expanding the sector, the human resource must also get the requisite standards and ethics in their field of practice. That would boil down to whether indeed they are properly remunerated so that the petty items of these tourists would not be baits for them in any sense.
    Mr Speaker, I wish to also state on record that article 39(4) of the Constitution and with your permission, I read:
    “The State shall endeavour to preserve and protect places of historical interest and artifacts.”
    Mr Speaker, so, this major investment that is going to be done in this sector is all in fulfilment of this constitutional requirement in that we do not destroy our own.
    Mr Speaker, when you go on tour, even to Parliaments outside this jurisdiction, especially in the western world, you would see that they have preserved old artefacts of old Parliaments.
    Mr Speaker, when you come to our jurisdiction, where do we find our old Parliament House or House of the Assembly? Mr Speaker, as we move and I know that you are very passionate and you hold it very close to your heart, that you construct a proper and befitting Chamber in the near future ---
    Mr Speaker, I pray that this Chamber be converted into a historical centre so that children of today and those yet unborn would also have the benefit to come here and witness what some of us sat on this chair and said. Just as we keep our Hansards, we should also preserve our own.
    Mr Speaker, in concluding, I would want to state that tourism can be the backbone of this economy and not only agriculture. If you go to some jurisdictions, you would see the percentages when it comes to the contribution to gross domestic product.
    I know that this project will go a long way in not solving all the problems in the tourism sector, let us not be deceived, but at least, it would take us a bit forward and also give some hope to those people in that industry who believe that they are treated as secondary.
    Yesterday, we had the Hon Deputy Minister for Education talk about Technical and Vocational Education Training (TVET). Mr Speaker, I would want to urge the Hon Minister, that she coordinates a lot with the Ministry of Education when it comes to the training and capacity building.
    We have the issue of looking down on such students as if they are not good enough for the “best” courses -- being a doctor or a lawyer. They will line it up for you.
    Mr Speaker 12:39 p.m.
    Hon Minister, you may make a couple of comments.
    Minister for Tourism, Arts and Culture (Mrs Catherine Abelema Afeku) 12:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to support the Motion ably made by the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee. In so doing, I would want to thank Hon Colleagues who have had the opportunity to contribute and also show keen interest in the tourism, arts and culture sector.

    Comments, observations and contri- butions made by Hon Colleagues are well noted and I would like to allay their fears with cogent facts to support this first ever IDA assistance coming into a sector that is recession-proof.

    For the record, Mr Speaker, the concerns raised by my good Friend, the Hon Member for Bia East, this is the first ever IDA loan that the Ministry has attracted.

    Mr Speaker, because of that, a lot of work and due diligence went into this with the support of the World Bank, the Ministry project coordinators and directors from different sectors who did the due diligence before we even got to the selection of sites.

    Mr Speaker, bear in mind that we have a million and one different tourist attractions that we needed to focus. There are so many of them that are not seen on the list and it is not intentional. It is because there are so many of them and we need to focus as a sector where we are going. Are we going cultural heritage or ecotourism?

    Mr Speaker, the strategic strength and the way to go is culture and heritage tourism for the Republic of Ghana. We are steeped in culture; we have a lot of heritage sites that along the west coast of Africa, we are the ones only holding the highest number of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) heritage sites when it comes to the unfortunate slave trade history.

    So, a lot of thought went into picking the ones that we have picked.

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    The regulatory failure that Hon Donkor mentioned -- the issue of regulation in the industry is a main challenge.

    We have over twenty-two taxes that are plaguing the industry and as a result, we brought it to the attention of the Committee to find a way to streamline the multiplicity of regulations and taxes.

    It is not that we are against regulations but they needs to be streamlined so that the industry players would see Government as listening to their woes.
    Mr Speaker 12:39 p.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister, you may move the resolution after which Mr First Deputy Speaker would take the Chair.
    RESOLUTIONS 12:39 p.m.

    Minister for Finance) 12:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move,
    WHEREAS 12:39 p.m.

    THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 12:39 p.m.

    HEREBY RESOLVES AS 12:39 p.m.

    Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Resolution.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    Resolved accordingly.
    Mr Speaker 12:39 p.m.
    Item numbered 9, Motion?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, let us rather go to item 10, Right to Information Bill, 2018 at Consideration Stage.
    Mr Speaker, but before I proceed on that, I believe in debating the Report of the Finance Committee, a few matters got
    raised up and I believe we should advert our minds to that and that is the content of the Report.
    We are told that some information was availed to the Finance Committee.

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    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was talking about the content of the Report. In some jurisdictions, when a referral is made to a Committee and the Committee goes to consider that referral and they have their Report, indeed, they debate the Report and adopt same, that Report does not come to plenary, it is taken as given that the Committee has decided for the entire House.
    Mr Speaker, unfortunately, in our Parliament, even after the Committee has deliberated on a referral and they have their Report and submit their Report to plenary, the entire plenary considers it before its adoption. In that regard, the nodal issues availed to the Committee must be reported on and captured in the Report which then would come to Parliament. Otherwise, plenary is short- changed.
    And because we have to vote and adopt the Report, the majority of Members of Parliament would not know what it is that we are voting on and we would not be doing justice to ourselves.
    Mr Speaker, in that regard, I would want to use this occasion to appeal to Committees that have referrals made to them to endeavour to capture as much information as possible in their Reports, which would be sent to Parliament for plenary to consider same and adopt it.
    Mr Iddrisu 12:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I share the concerns of the Hon Majority Leader. I want to believe that he is responding to some issues we raised relative to the Agreement for the US$40 million to finance the proposed tourism develop- ment project.
    I still want to believe that this Parliament is weakened if we are not able to demand some particulars, especially from the Executive. With joy, we could throw those issues aside as trifle to the good of this country and this Parliament.
    We are all here, but I do not see how that helps parliamentary oversight, that as a Minority Member of Parliament, I demand from a Minister the cost of this project; that is not responded to and I demand that this document should come to this House on the US$40 million.
    A question was put and we have what we call the majoritarian dominance. It is fine because that is the beauty of democracy. However, I fundamentally disagree. Maybe, next time, I would protest more strongly instead of allowing Mr Speaker to put the vote. We have another way of protesting and that is by not being part of it.
    However, to the other issue, I agree with him that we could move to the Right to Information Bill as the next item. The quickness with which Mr Speaker put the Question without even getting the Hon Minister to respond to the issues raised and demands made, does not help the oversight role of Parliament.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:59 p.m.
    Hon K. T. Hammond, what do you have to say? The application has been made to me to move to the Consideration of the Right to Information Bill. Do you have any issues with that?
    Mr K. T. Hammond 12:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker no, I do not have an objection to it, but I have an issue to bring to your attention on that subject. That is why I am on my feet.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:59 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr K. T. Hammond 12:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, since I made some contributions on this matter in this House, I have become a superstar and cynosure and have gained an unprecedented notoriety all over the place because of my views. That is not the issue.
    On the matter of the Right to Information Bill and the views I hold on it, that is not the issue. The issue is with the statement issued by Occupy Ghana on the 13th of November.
    Mr Speaker, the bulk of it is directed towards my person but again, that is neither here nor there. That is the essence of democracy. You make your point and others have a field day to dissect your views and make their own comments.
    Mr Speaker, what the statement does which I think is troubling and should be brought to your attention is the fact that it clearly states that the group that is called Occupy Ghana intends to exert maximum pressure on this Parliament over which you preside, to make sure that we do not have excuses and pass this Bill into law.
    I am wondering if as we Sit in this House, external forces have some means of exerting pressure on us. I just felt that
    the House should know and maybe, we would be informed on the form this pressure would take and when it would happen. As I said, it is a press statement issued by Occupy Ghana.
    Mr Speaker, you do not need to worry about its entirety, it is all about me and the fact that my views are antiquated. According to one Asamoah Panyin or Kakra in the Daily Graphic, my views are from the stone age among others. Ignore all those things because they are inconsequential and of no effect at all. That is what democracy is about.
    However, can that group exert pressure on Mr Speaker and the House to pass a particular Bill into law? I thought it is a matter that should be brought to your attention. It is food for thought and we should ruminate over, think about it and decide on our next move.
    Thank you very much Mr Speaker.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:59 p.m.
    Hon Member, are you on your feet or having a chat?
    Alhaji Fuseini 12:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was on my feet to draw your attention to the fact that you asked for the views of the Hon Member on whether we should continue. The Hon Majority Leader had suggested and was supported by the Hon Minority Leader that we should consider item numbered 10 on the Order Paper.
    The Hon Member, my respected Colleague, stood up when you solicited his views on that, and took us through what he perceived as a personal attack on him and an attempt to pressurise your good Self into passing the Bill into law.
    Mr Speaker, we all know that nobody, not even the President of the Republic, could pressurise you into passing the law. However, as Parliament, the law is before us and so, we must work on it. You know, as a consummate democrat, you would not agree to everything within the Bill. That is the essence of this House, to agree to disagree.
    So, my humble advice is that you should not give too much attention to those things. This is because we would pass the law any way. We must work to ensure that we pass a law that would stand the test of time and also meet the reasonable and legitimate expectations of the people of this country. So, no pressure.
    Mr Speaker, I know that even if they bring pressure to bear on you, you are somebody with enough shock absorbers, and would not yield to that pressure. So, I thought that he would just agree that we move on. The longer we take, the more they put perceived pressure on us.
    Thank you Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:59 p.m.
    None of the two has bearing on the application made by the Hon Majority Leader. I just wish to say that we should accept that people would make comments on the work we do in here. Whether that would constitute pressure on us depends on us.
    As for criticisms, I have had my share. I raised issues as to making too much an issue of matters at the enactment stage and after enactment, nothing happens with the law.
    I was taken to the cleaners. My view has not changed on the fact that we put so much effort into passing laws. However, when it is passed, even for those who put so much pressure, it is as if the law did not exist anymore.
    BILLS -- CONSIDERATION STAGE 1:09 p.m.

  • [Resumption of Consideration from 13/11/18.]
  • Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:09 p.m.
    Hon Members, there is a new proposed amendment for clause 19 which stands in the name of Hon Member for Suhum, Mr Frederick Opare-Ansah.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, do you have any idea? Did the Hon Member discuss this with you?
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Ben Abdallah Banda) 1:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member who proposed the amendment is not available, but I have read through the proposed amendment and I do not have any objection to it, except to add a little to it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:09 p.m.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, first, did we take a vote on clause 19? If we did, then it has to be at the Second Consideration Stage and not at this time.
    Mr Banda 1:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, honestly speaking, we did take a vote on it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:09 p.m.
    Hon Majority Leader, is it appropriate to entertain an amendment as if it is a normal course of consideration?
    Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu: Mr Speaker, I have not been available the past few days in the Consideration of this Bill. I am not too sure on what agreement that was arrived at in respect of it, but if indeed, we have gone beyond that then we could stand this proposed amendment down and consider it at the Second Consideration Stage.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:09 p.m.
    I would want the Table Office to assist me find out whether a decision was taken on clause 19 earlier.
    Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Iddrisu 1:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have examined the proposed amendment of the Hon Opare-Ansah even though he is not here.
    Mr Speaker, it would be better the proposed amendment is taken if Hon Member is in the Chamber. Even though I share his thinking on ‘‘application for access to information for which a public institution already has that available'', I disagree with his paragraph (a).
    With paragraph (b) which says that; ‘‘notify that public institution of the request by the applicant'', I would want to add that, ‘'that institution must provide that information''. If that is added, then it could be passed, but the paragraph (a) has to be expunged. Paragraph (b) could become paragraph (a).
    Mr Speaker, with your permission, I beg to propose a new paragraph (b) to read 1:09 p.m.
    ‘‘(b) notify that public institution of the request by the applicant and
    the public institution shall so provide the information''.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:09 p.m.
    I would want us to be clear first. If a decision has been taken, then this can only be done at the Second Consideration Stage and if it is necessary, then it would be done at the time.
    Unfortunately, the Hon Member is not in the Chamber to speak to his proposed amendment. It appears that it has some acceptance. So, I would rather it is deferred and move on to clause 31.
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
    Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu: Mr Speaker, I have now looked at it well. When we were considering ‘‘refusal of access'' in clause 28, I read to us what is contained in our own Standing Orders and I said that the language in clause 28 was rather inconsistent with the intent for which reason I said we should have a better way to capture. I believe that is what has been attempted here.
    Mr Speaker, in reality, it should sit within the framework of clause 28 -- perhaps, to come just after clause 28. That is how it should be done because that is in respect of the lines of Standing Order 67 (1) (h) that I quoted which provides that:
    (h) “a Question shall not be asked the answer to which is readily available in official publications;''
    Mr Speaker, I believe it is the same spirit that influenced this new clause that has been suggested.
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, your earlier ruling is very germane because we
    need to look at where to put it, just like the Hon Majority Leader said.
    This is because clause 20 in substance, deals with the Hon Member's suggestion as an amendment to clause 19, but the difficulty we had yesterday ought to be addressed; where information is in public domain, it does not need application for it to be accessed -- It is already there and one needs to be directed. Does this one properly address it? It is no!
    Mr Speaker, at the Second Conside- ration Stage, we would have enough time to work on this to reflect what we want to be done for ‘‘refusal of access''.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:09 p.m.
    Hon Members, item numbered 10(i) on the Order Paper is deferred.
    Clause 31 -- Application for amendment of information
    Mr Banda 1:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 31, subclause (3), line 1, after “indicate”, insert “the name of the applicant, a copy of the identification card of the applicant and”.
    Mr Speaker, with your leave, I would want to make a further amendment to the proposed amendment because we have effected a similar amendment in one of the proceeding provisions.
    Mr Speaker, the word ‘‘card'' after the word ‘‘identification'' should be deleted and also, the definite article ‘‘the'' which precedes the word ‘‘identification'' should be deleted and the definite article ‘‘an'' inserted.
    Mr Speaker, the new rendition would be 1:09 p.m.
    What we did earlier was;
    Mr Speaker, I would at this juncture rephrase the proposed amendment to read 1:09 p.m.
    “the name of the applicant, an identification of the applicant and” --
    Mr Iddrisu 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if the Hon Chairman of the Committee can just keep it as “the name and identity of the applicant” -- that is elegant and he needs not go any further. He needs not repeat “applicant” twice.
    Mr Banda 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that would then be “subclause (3), line 1:
    “An application shall indicate the name and identity of the applicant and address to which a notice under this Act should be sent and the application shall be submitted at the office of the public institution”.
    Mr Speaker, I believe this is a more refined rendition.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe in this context, “identification” is better than “identity”. because “identification” means more than identity. It is what can identify you and so “identification” is better in the context given than “identity”.
    Mr Quashigah 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with the Hon Minority Leader -- [Interruption] -- I agree with the Majority Leader on that matter.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:19 p.m.
    Or you are living in the past. [Laughter.]
    Mr Quashigah 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am only slightly worried about leaving it so generic -- “identification”. This is because some identity cards obviously turn out to be unacceptable at some institutions when they are presented.
    So, must we not qualify it to read a relevant or suitable identification? This is because there are times you go to places and present an identity card of your institution like what we have been given by Parliament and they would tell you it is not acceptable. You are to either present a passport, national health insurance card or something of that sort. So, that is my thinking.
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in fact, I had lost in the first amendment, and that is the reason I did not want to speak on “identification”. I had thought that we should not make it a condition for accessing information.
    But I am more scared, by the amendment proffered by Hon Quashigah
    because we want somebody to exercise a right under the Constitution, article 21(1)(f) to access information and then you are gradually putting a lot of fetters on the way of the person who would apply.
    Mr Speaker, if you say relevant identification and the information officer is saying that this identification card or identification document that you have brought to him is not what he needs, it would be difficult to access that information.
    So, if I have lost on the “identification”, I should not lose on this one. [Laughter] It is just that the person should provide an identification and that is all. Whichever identification should be able to access the information.
    Ms Safo 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, to an extent, I agree with the Hon Ranking Member. Except to say that inasmuch as it is a constitutional right, we are looking not to exercise that right or make that right available to everybody or anybody.
    Excuse my language, we might have intruders and other nationals of other countries who would come in and would want to access that information for other purposes that would not be in the best interest of this country.
    So, I do not have a problem with us requesting for any form of identification because that is what should happen ordinarily in this country just as it exists in the western world. Whatever critical thing that you need, they would ask you of your State identity card, a driver's licence or any other thing.
    Mr Speaker, so inasmuch as the Ghana Card is synchronising a lot of these cards, I believe that we should put it as a form of identification.
    This is because if we restrict it to identification card, the problem we might run into is that you might have a passport which is not a card but it is a form of identification.
    In the United States of America for instance, they have passports, they have passport cards but we have not migrated to that extent yet.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:19 p.m.
    Hon Member, the national identity card which you have one has your passport on it.
    Ms Safo 1:19 p.m.
    Rightly so, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, so, I am saying that just restricting ourselves to just the Ghana Card, we might run into problems where people have their driver's licence or passport booklets and would want to show it as a form of identification.
    So I believe that if we leave it at a form of identification of the applicant, then we can have these passports and other forms of identification incorporated.
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, this is the second time I have heard people talking about the Ghana Card. I do not know where we are getting the Ghana Card from. I have never seen a Ghana Card.
    The card we have been issued is called ECOWAS Identity Card, Republic of Ghana. But Hon Quashigah was talking about Ghana Card. Where is the Ghana Card issue coming from? No institution in Ghana has issued a Ghana Card.
    Mr Speaker, but more importantly, my worry is the following; Hon Fuseini is afraid of an identity card. However, he is not afraid of leaving the discretion to the institution to determine what an identity card is; that is more dangerous.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 p.m.
    Hon Members, I would want us to address our attention to the area of the law we have.
    “Amendment of Personal Records in Custody of a Public Institution”.
    .
    This is not just applying for
    information. It starts from the column just before clause 30;
    “Amendment of Personal Records in Custody of a Public Institution”.
    Clause 30; has the headnote “Amend- ment of Personal Records” and clause
    31, “Application for amendment of information”.
    If one applies for amendment of records in a public institution, it should not be just any card. It should be a card that shows that, indeed, he is the person and he is the one entitled to apply for that amendment. I believe in this case we should --
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we have a challenge. As of today, we have not issued everybody with the card which would become a legally acceptable national ID card. In the interim, what do we do? That is the challenge we have.
    If we have issued it to everybody within a reasonable time, that would be the legally acceptable card after we have issued it, but we have not done that. So, what do we do?
    We are proposing an ID which is not the best.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the law we are crafting, the Right to Information Bill, 2018 ensues from chapter 5 of the Constitution. Chapter 5 of the Constitution is on fundamental human rights and freedoms of every person in Ghana. It is not about Ghanaian citizens.
    Mr Speaker, indeed, article 12 (2) of the protection of the fundamental human rights and freedoms states:
    “Every person in Ghana, whatever his race, place of origin, political opinion, colour, religion, creed or gender shall be entitled to the fundamental human rights and freedoms of the individual contained in this Chapter…”
    Mr Speaker, so, we are not doing this for Ghanaian citizens. [Interruption] Yes,
    the records do not really relate to Ghanaian citizens alone. That is why I do not want us to predicate this debate on Ghana National Identity Card. That is not it. It is every person in Ghana.
    Mr Speaker, so, if it is the identity card that is required, whatever it is that would be relevant to that particular national, Ghanaian or non-Ghanaian resident here, that is what should really be our concern.
    How do we craft it? But I would want us to drift away from concentrating on the Ghana National Identity Card because this law is not only for Ghanaian citizens. It is for every person in Ghana.
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, non- resident foreigners are required to have a national ID card prepared for them which is different from that of Ghanaians. So, every person in Ghana would have one or the other. [Interruption] The would be identity card for foreign nationals --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 p.m.
    Hon Members, we passed a law some time last year which stipulated the acceptable forms of identification for obtaining the national ID. So, probably we should use the language contained in that one, so that if there is an issue relating to the identity of the person, we have a reference point.
    Mr Iddrisu 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, when the Hon Chairman of the Committee moved this particular amendment, my first inclination was to urge him to say, “name, identity and address”. That is how it should be. They are the same people opposing that who came with “identification”.
    Once we say, “identity”, the onus is on the person to reveal himself, whether ECOWAS, resident or non-resident
    Ghanaian citizen, the person has an obligation for us to know.
    Mr Speaker, like you rightly guided, the particular provision from clause 30 is on amendment of personal records. How could we amend someone's personal record when we do not know the person and cannot testify to the fact that he or she is the person in question? So, we should not go for long words.
    Mr Speaker, it should be, “name, identity and address” and the rest of the words could flow.
    Mr Mahama Ayariga 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you very much. I believe you provided some direction. We are not talking about the right to access information here. So, all the debate about the constitutional guarantees et cetera. do not really apply in this context. This is about the right to amend one's own personal records.
    So, it is all right that for one to access information to amend his or her personal record, we would need to identify him or her. There should be proof that he or she is the person, otherwise, people would amend other people's records for all sorts of reasons. That could be very dangerous. So, clearly, there must be proof.
    Mr Speaker, the issue now is, how we couch it? Yes, we want some identification but the Hon Minority Leader proposes that we say, “name and identity” and I have been trying very hard to convince him that if we say identity, it would mean something different from if we said, “name and identification”.
    This is because the identity could relate to one's race, ethnic group and all sorts of things. One could indicate anything as his or her identity. But because we are looking for identification, we need to
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have this difficulty with the use of the word, “identification”. You tried to guide us. In doing the national ID, we are required to produce passports and birth certificates. After the national ID has been issued, it becomes a legal thing.
    So, why do we not say, “passport, birth certificate and national identification” because we have already used that to do
    the national ID. A foreigner would have a passport --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 p.m.
    In that case, Hon Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation, we would use, “identification” and define it at the end of the Bill so that when we say, “identification” it means one of these three. I believe this would make it easier.
    Alhaji I. Fuseini 1:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I must first of all thank you. I believe we have strayed away from the intendment of the provision and the amendment is actually not needed.
    Clause 31 is dealing with application for amendment of information. Clause 31 (2) is germane. It states and with your permission, I quote:
    “Where the applicant claims that the information contained in the records is incomplete or out of date, the application shall be accompanied with the relevant information which the applicant considers necessary to complete the records of the public institution or bring them up to date.”
    That is the application.
    Clause 31(3) is actually saying that the applicant must give an address to which an acknowledgement of the update of the information will be sent. We do not need the name and identity, we have already provided in sub clause (2) the information that ought to be sent to the applicant for update.
    Mr Speaker, so, respectfully, if we want an identification, it should read --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 p.m.
    In fact, the amendment is not necessary. If we had read it together, we would not have been making --
    Alhaji I. A. B. Fuseini 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    We are only to provide -- This is because the identification has been dealt with in subclause (2). Here, we are just to provide an address to which the records should be sent to and the entire exercise, probably, was not necessary.
    Mr Banda 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, except that probably, I did not understand Hon Ranking Member very well because clause 31 is dealing with amendment of personal records. Clause 31 is setting out certain requirements which must be contained in the application.
    Clause 31(1)(a) says that the application must be in writing, (b) also specifies a certain requirement, we have paragraph (c) and (d).
    Mr Speaker, you would realise that in all these requirements, there is no mention of the name and identification of the applicant. I believe that in order to complete and authenticate the appli- cation, it must contain all these; the name, identification and signature of the applicant in order to make it complete.
    Otherwise, how does the information officer know that the person making the application and seeking to correct his personal records is indeed --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    Hon Chairman, look at subclause (2).
    “Where the applicant claims that the information contained in the records is incomplete or out of date, the application shall be accompanied with the relevant information which the applicant considers necessary to complete the records of the public institution or bring them up to date”
    So, if there is the need to apply for name and so on here, the relevant information may capture that, but then when you come to subclause (3), it only asks you to provide address where:
    “An application shall indicate an address to which a notice under this Act should be sent and the application shall be submitted at the office of the public institution”.
    So, if indeed, there was the need to put a name and so on, maybe, subclause (2) may have been the appropriate place.
    Mr Ayariga 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the argument of the Hon Chairman is that it is appropriate for us to require that the person seeking for the amendment of a record should identify him or herself and that is the gravamen of the Hon Chairman's proposal.
    Also, the argument that where the Hon Chairman is seeking to insert that proposal is not the appropriate place, is right. This is because looking at it, clause 31(1), (2) and (3) states a whole process. So, the Hon Chairman could rather propose something below clause 31 (1) (a) so that:
    (1) “An application for the amendment of information contained in the records of a public institution shall
    (a) be in writing;
    (b) contain proof of the identity of the applicant;
    (c) specify that it is made under this Act,…”
    So, that will probably be the most strategic place to require proof of the identity of the applicant. This is because as for clause 31(3) as indicated by the Hon
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    Under clause 31(1)(a)?
    Mr Ayariga 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes. Under clause 31(1)(a).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    Yes. Which is; ‘be in writing, provide the particulars of the applicant, name and identification'
    Mr Banda 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it should be signed by the applicant.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    I think that you should put your heads together and design an appropriate rendition for the -- So, let us stand it down. Or you could do it now? Well, let us do it and move on from there.
    Alhaji I. A. B. Fuseini 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we should adopt a neater way to do it. That is to insert after “relevant information”, ‘including the name and proof of identification of the applicant'.
    Mr Speaker, where it says in (2) 1:39 a.m.
    “Where the applicant claims--
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    That may be confusing because here, it appears to suggest the records you want to be amended, but we would want to add the name and identity to the application. So, if we move it up, it would be better.
    Hon Majority Leader, you may suggest --
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we will begin with clause 31(1)(a):
    “An application for the amendment of information contained in the records of a public institution shall
    (a) indicate the name of the applicant”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    I think the first is: “(a) be in writing”.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, (a) then becomes (b).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    Let us start with: “be in writing” then
    (b) “indicate the name of the applicant” and then proof of the identity of the applicant”.
    Mr Speaker, I even want to suggest that the original (b) which reads 1:39 a.m.
    “specify that it is made under this Act”is not necessary.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    I think so.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, they should take paragraph (b) off because this whole thing is being made under this Act. So, the paragraph (b) is not necessary.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:39 a.m.
    So, when we are satisfied with the rendition, we can delete paragraph (b) and make this the new paragraph (b).
    Mr Banda 1:39 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that I am all right and so, we can delete paragraph (b) and maintain the proposed amendment.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    So, let us get the rendition right for the Hansard to capture properly.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so, we delete paragraph (b) and insert; ‘indicate the name and identification of the applicant'.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Hon Members, the Table Office is suggesting that instead of “name and identity”, we should use ‘name and proof of identity of the applicant'.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we are in the process of consulting further among ourselves, because if we take the “name” out then it would mean that paragraph (b) is saying ‘‘proof of identification'', but we cannot have that construction. Perhaps, that is why we would say “name and particulars of identification”. I believe that would be better.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Hon Members, is “name and particulars of identification” acceptable?
    Mr Banda 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is acceptable.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Very well.
    So, the proposed amendment is that 31 (1), delete paragraph (b) and insert “name and particulars of identification'' --
    Dr Afriyie 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, “particulars of identification” sounds odd to me because identification is a process and so if we say “particulars of identification”, let us tarry a little bit and --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    So, would “particulars of identity” sound better?
    Mr Quashigah 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, could we have a situation where one shows his identification card without a name. An identification card would definitely come with the name of an individual. How would a person show proof of identity without a name? It would definitely contain a name.
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, everyone knows ‘‘Akuritinga'' to be ‘‘Dominic Ayine”. He writes his full name. Mr Speaker, I am “Inusah Abdulai Bistav Fuseini” and everybody knows me as “Inusah Fuseini”, so if I provide that long name, then there must be an identification to support it. That is what it just means.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    So, how do we capture it? Is it “proof of identity”, “proof of identification or verification”?
    That is what we want to capture so that there would be no confusion.
    Mr Banda 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that at times, we seem to be too much interested in words. I believe that whether we indicate “proof of identification” or “particulars of identification”, it would be interpreted within the context.
    So, I would respectfully submit that we should go by the proposed amendment of the Hon Majority Leader which is the “name and particulars of identification”. I believe that anybody reading the provision would understand what it means.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Or “particulars of identity”?
    Mr Banda 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, “particulars of identification” and “particulars of identity” -- the value is the same.
    Dr Afriyie 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, your identity is, who a person is while identification verifies the identity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    So, what do you suggest?
    Dr Afriyie 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is why the “proof of identity” is better.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    I believe that “proof of identity” is better.
    So, the proposed amendment is that delete paragraph (b) and insert “name and proof of identity” --
    Mr Kpodo 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I want to move a further amendment to paragraph (b). Before “name” a verb must be inserted; it should be contained or provided because of the way the language has been framed. It should be either “… shall provide name or shall contain name …”
    Mr Speaker, there should be a verb in front of name.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    “… specify the name and proof of identity.”
    Is that acceptable?
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, could we specify proof of identity? We cannot specify. It has to be shown or the application must contain it. So, we thought that it should “contain the name of the applicant” and also “the proof of identity”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    “An application for the amendment of information contained in the records of a public institution shall (a) be in writing, (b) indicate a name and proof of identity...”
    So, the further amendment would be delete paragraph (b) and insert “indicate name and proof of identity”.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr Banda 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, add a new paragraph (e) “shall be signed by the applicant.”
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Quashigah 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am lost because the Hon Chairman made reference to paragraph (e), but I cannot find paragraph (e).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    He is proposing a new paragraph (e).
    Dr Bernice Adiku Heloo 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to know what would happen in the case of those who cannot sign.
    Mr Chireh 1:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if the Hon Chairman would agree then we could say “sign or make a mark”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:49 p.m.
    We have done something earlier where “sign” could be defined to include thumbprint, mark --
    If we have not done that we could put that as part of the interpretation where “sign” would include thumbprint or mark.
    Is that alright?
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Clause 31 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
    Clause 32 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
    Clause 33 -- Application for internal review
    Mr Banda 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 33, subclause (2), paragraph (c), delete.
    Mr Speaker, yesterday, we dealt with the issue as to whether an application should be accompanied with a prescribed fee. The consensus was that it should not. The same principle applies to this proposed amendment.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr Banda 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 33, add the following new subclause:
    “(4) Where the applicant is illiterate, and the request has been reduced into writing, the information officer shall
    (a) clearly and correctly read and explain the request to the understanding of the appli- cant in accordance with the Illiterate Protection Act, 1912
    (CAP 262);
    (b) a witness shall endorse on the face of the request that “the request was read to the applicant in the language the applicant understands and the applicants appeared to have understood the content of the request; and
    (c) ask the applicant to make a thumbprint on the request”.
    Mr Speaker, this is taking care of persons who cannot read and write. We have already effected an amendment of this nature in one of the preceding provisions. So this is a consequential amendment.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    Hon Members, this is not a new thing. Unless there is something particular about it, I would put the Question.
    Dr Ayine 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, my concern is with the proposed amendment in subclause (4) (b):
    “A witness shall endorse on the face of the request …”
    It is the information officer who has to cause to witness to endorse. In my view, we should say, “shall cause the writing in paragraph (a) to be endorsed by the witness” rather than put that writing in quotation marks and make a reference to the witness.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    I think so. This is because, subclause (4), up to “shall” refers to both paragraphs (a) and (b). When it comes to paragraphs (b), where the applicant is illiterate and the request has been reduced into writing, a witness shall endorse. Unless that is taken as subclause (5) to stand on its own. But as a subclause, it does not rhyme.
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the three opening words of paragraph (b) should be deleted, because it takes its root from:
    “… the information officer shall
    (b) endorse on the face of the request ‘that the request was read ..'”
    It is already captured; so that three opening words “ a witness shall” should not be there.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    But who do we want to endorse? Do we want the witness to endorse it or we want the information officer to endorse it?
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is the information officer who writes it on the -- [Interruption.]
    It is there; the last one.
    “(c) ask the applicant to make a thumbprint on the request”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    We can change it to read:
    “The information officer shall
    (b) cause a witness to endorse on the face of the request …”
    So, we insert “cause” at the beginning and delete “shall” and also insert “to”.
    The new rendition would be:
    “The information officer shall
    (b) cause a witness to endorse on the face of the request …”
    Alhaji Fuseini 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, what is the endorsement? This is because I see paragraph (c) reads:
    “(c) ask the applicant to make a thumbprint on the request”
    All right, I understand.
    Mr Speaker, in my view, the amendment as advertised as subclause (4) should have been advertised as subclause (6).
    This is because, what we are advertising as subclause (4) gives the impression that it is coming to replace subclause (4).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    The draftspersons will properly arrange it.
    Mr Kpodo 1:59 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker. Please, if you have problem the next time, just limit it to Ho. [Laughter.]
    Mr Speaker, I want to suggest that we replace the indefinite article “a” to “the” because a particular witness is being addressed here. It says “where the applicant is illiterate”.
    We already know that we are referring to an illiterate person, and that person alone at that time is being asked to do something.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    All the lawyers do not agree with you because we are envisaging that any one of us could be a witness. And there are different applications here that is why. —
    Mr Quashigah 1:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with the proposition that it should be “shall cause”, but I was just thinking because in paragraph (c) we have asked the applicant to make a thumbprint on the request. So, when we in paragraph (b) say “shall ask a witness to endorse, it is the effect not the same? [Interruption.]
    When we say legal, why can we not also have the same cause at paragraph (c). This is because it is also not changing anything.
    I am looking at a situation where when you have a document, and we say “shall cause”, in paragraphs (a), (b), (c) and (d), normally, we tend to have same verb flowing through.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:59 p.m.
    It is because the applicant can change his mind. After listening, he has decided not to apply again. You cannot force him. But as for the witness, once he witnesses that it is necessary that he certifies that he has witnessed the transcript.
    Mr Banda 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is being proposed that the better rendition is:
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Hon Chairman, I do not think so. This is because the person who witnesses must -- It is a requirement. If you do not accept to be the witness -- But once you accept to be the witness, you are required to certify.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the kind of discussion that was going on between the Hon Chairman and I --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Hon Members, having regard to the state of Business of the House, I direct that the House Sits outside its regular Sitting hours.
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader, continue.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the backroom discussion that was going on between the Hon Chairman and I had to do with paragraph (c). I do not know whether you maintained “ask the applicant to make a thumbprint on the request”. Did we maintain that?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that “ask” there rather should read “require the applicant”, not “ask the Applicant”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Where are the new draftspersons? The new
    draftspersons, “ask” and “require”, those who went on drafting to assist the House, please assist us.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Hon Regional Minister, give me one moment, I would come to you, but let me listen to the Hon Member.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:09 a.m.
    “Ask” is too plain and ordinary. It conveys the meaning in ordinary language, but it is too mundane and pedestrian. It does not make it look elegant, that is why “request”, which is a synonym of “ask” would be better in this instance.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Regional Minister, you have not done the course, but I would like to hear you.
    Dr Kwaku Afriyie 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is just a procedural matter. I am coming under order 41(1) (b) that you move for extension of time.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    I just did that, thank you.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Hon Member, you have not done the drafting course, have you?
    Mr Quashigah 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that the essence of using “require” in place of “ask” would be that “require” is more of a compulsion than to ask the individual to do something.
    Earlier when we talked about courts and I was asking about “ask” you indicated that there is the need to compel the Witness who has agreed to witness to do same.

    So I believe that in that vein, it is proper we replace the “ask” with “require”, because it carries a certain force.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    I have just been advised that for the purposes of drafting, “require” is more -- [Interruption.]
    Mr Ahiafor 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the issue has to do with clause 33 (c), and clause 33 (c) is not about the Witness but about the Applicant, therefore, on no occasion should the Applicant be under obligation to sign.
    So the applicant could decide that whatever is reduced into writing interpreted to him is not in accordance with what he asked to put on paper, and he may choose not to sign. So we cannot use a stronger word that would put the Applicant under obligation to sign.
    The Applicant should be given a leeway, so you ask the Applicant to sign, and the applicant would only sign if whatever has been read and interpreted to him in a language he understands is in conformity with whatever orally he has told the Information Officer.
    So we cannot be seen to be using a stronger word that would put an element of compulsion on the Applicant to sign. He should not sign under obligation.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, respectfully, nobody is talking about the signature of the applicant. We are talking about an illiterate applicant, and we are saying that he should avail himself or herself to thumbprint.
    It is not signature. If you read it, nobody is talking about signature.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Hon Majority Leader, signature includes thumb print. It is the same thing, but the issue really is this; I brought my application. I told you orally, you have reduced it into writing.
    The witness certifies that truly what you have written is the true reflection of what the illiterate told you. After that, can the illiterate be compelled to sign if he decides that he would not do it again?
    My problem is the “required”. I want us to be sure of what we want.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:09 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we are using “required” here not with the idea of compulsion, but for the completeness of the process. There are processes, so when the application is done and all the conditions precedent have been met, the last one is for the applicant to append a signature or a thumb print or a mark on the application, and that completes the process.
    So he would be required to thumb print.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    As a requirement for completing the process.
    Very well, Hon Members, the proposed amendment is to in (c), delete “ask” and insert “require”.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr Frist Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Hon Members, should I bring the proceedings to a close? It looks like I do not hear the voice vote.
    Clause 33 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:09 a.m.
    Clause 34?
    Clause 34 -- Decision on internal review.
    Mr Banda 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 34, subclause (2), paragraph (a), delete “reproduction fee, translation fee or transcription” and insert “prescribed”.
    Mr Speaker, the new rendition would then read;
    “Where the head of the public institution determines that access should be granted, the notice referred to in subsection (1) shall state the prescribed fee payable”.
    So Mr Speaker, instead of listing reproduction fee, translation fee or transcription fee, there could be other fees that have not been captured under paragraph (a). In order to make it generic we are seeking to propose an omnibus provision to capture any fee that could be prescribed by the Information Officer.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    Hon Members, this is a straightforward amendment. I would put the Question.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not know why at this late stage we are bringing “prescribed”. We have deleted “pres- cribed” fees all through this Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    Clause 78 has “prescribed”.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:19 p.m.
    Yes, but those we met before now, we have deleted them.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    So if clause 78 is approved, what it prescribes is the prescribed fee, instead of giving different prescriptions which are not exhaustive.
    Mr Banda 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, “prescribed” here is being used within context with particular reference to clause 78, because any fee that would be charged or chargeable by the Information Officer would be so done within the context of
    the Fees and Charges Miscellaneous Provisions Act. It is not the Information Officer himself who is prescribing his fee.
    So it is within clause 78 of the Bill. Clause 78 specifies that fees charged under the Bill would be so charged under the Fees and Charges Miscellaneous Provisions Act, 2009 (Act 793).
    So the proposed amendment is in reference to clause 78 of the Bill. It is not as though it is the Information Officer who on his own would be prescribing the fees.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    Hon Members — yes Hon Majority Leader, if you want to say something, I will hear you otherwise, I will put the Question.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yesterday when I came, I sent us back to clause 18, “Application to access information”. Clause 18 (1) (f) says that:
    “An application to access infor- mation held by a public institution shall
    (f) be accompanied with the prescribed fee.”
    It did not say a prescribed fee by the Information Officer. That is why I referred to it and my attention was drawn to the fact that that one had been deleted earlier and I asked for what reason.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    I think that the whole idea was that the fee should be at the end and not at the beginning. That was the basis.
    If we make it at the beginning, then somebody may be denied altogether but the application would be processed and at the end of it, you would determine once they have agreed to give you this information, you would pay so much.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.


    This one is that the end. That is the prescription they have given us. I have my problem with clause 78 itself but when we get there, we can discuss that one. For now, I believe we are consistent.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, clause 34 is “Decision on internal review”. Subclause (2) (a) reads:
    “Where the head of the public institution determines that access should be granted, the notice referred to in subsection (1) shall state
    (a) the prescribed fee.”
    When is the prescribed fee going to be paid? Is it before or after the review? By extension of reasoning, if we make the application and we are required to pay a prescribed fee, it has the same effect.
    Mr Banda 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that when you read clause 34 (2) - It says:
    “Where the head of the public institution determines that access should be granted …”
    Mr Speaker, at this point, the head of the institution has decided that he is granting access. So, it is at that point that the head of the institution will also indicate in the notice to the applicant that this is how much he has to pay per the prescribed fees stipulated under clause 78 of the Bill.
    So, once the head of the institution has made that determination, it means that he has taken a decision that access to information should be granted to the applicant.
    So, it is after --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    It is at the end of the process. At the end of the appeal process.
    Mr Banda 2:19 p.m.
    It is not before.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    There is a first, there has been a refusal or a denial. The applicant has appealed. The head of the institution has determined that the applicant should be granted access. So, now, we have reached a tail where access has been granted. That is where the fees is determined.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, one makes an application to access information. Originally, it was to be accompanied by the prescribed fee.
    Whether the fee would be determined in accordance with section 78, now, we are determining that the prescribed fees should be in accordance with section 78. Once the prescribed fees is paid, one would be granted access.
    Now here, access is denied. A person appeals. Then upon appeal he is told to go and pay a prescribed fee. What are we doing? Have we not come to the same level? This is because before access is granted, the person must pay a prescribed fee.
    If we agree to the principle, why then do we deny ourselves of maybe what happened in clause 18. If a person has paid and he was denied, then upon review, that person then would not be even required to pay any other prescribed fee again.
    So, we are back to the basics. Why do we have them to compel the person who has now won a review when he has been denied him access, he comes for a review, access is granted and you say because he has appealed and has been granted access, he should go and pay. We are back to the basis.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    Hon Majority Leader, if the access was granted, the person would have been told the fee. Access granted. This is how much you pay to take the information.
    At the beginning, the application is denied so, no fees kicked in at all. Then the applicant appeals and it is granted. Now, you are going to be given access and you are told that this is the cost.
    It is the same thing. You are taken back to the point where if you were granted, you would have been given your processing fee. The processing fee is not charged here; it is charged under clause
    78.
    The argument being made is that, you need not be told here. Clause 78 will apply anyway. Is that your argument?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:19 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am just saying that when a person goes on review and he wins, before access is granted, we tell him that he must pay so much before access is granted.
    What of the initial stage when the person submitted the application? We do not tell him anything and after we are finished, we tell him that he has to pay so much. I am not sure that is the way we should operate. The person should know if --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:19 p.m.
    I believe once clause 78 is approved, then it is like notice to the applicant that if he is going to apply for this information, this is his fee. So, at the end of the process, he must come with his money before he accesses the information. Probably, we need not put it here because once it is accessed, it is approved, then, clause 78 kicks in.
    Hon Chairman, what do you think?
    Mr Banda 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the prescribed fee is only for information purposes, just to put the applicant on notice because the information officer or the head of the public institution must communicate to the applicant his decision, whether he is refusing or he has refused or whether he has granted his application.
    So, in a situation where the head of the institution has granted the applicant his application, in the notice to the applicant containing the decision of the head of the institution, the head of the institution must notify the applicant that when he is coming, this is how much he has to pay so that the applicant, when coming, because he has already been put on the notice as to how much he is paying, will come prepared with his money in his hands.
    Otherwise, if the applicant should come without anything only to be told that he has to pay so much, he would then be put through --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    But Hon Chairman, if we pass the Bill, clause 78 would be notice already and so, every applicant should know when he is applying that there is a fee. If access has been granted earlier, he would not have been given any new notice anyway.
    Now, if his appeal succeeds, he does not have to be given any new notice because clause 78 would then kick in. That is the context in which I understand the Hon Majority Leader that there is no need to make a provision for notice of fees because it is in the law already
    Mr Banda 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is quite true for somebody who can read and write and somebody who is probably, resident in Accra.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    But I disagree with you in that respect because in that case, every applicant must be given that notice, with this one after the appeal, you are put back in the state of an applicant.
    So, if other applicants are not given that notice, there is no need to provide that appellant who has succeeded to be granted that notice. That is the sense in which now I support the Hon Majority Leader.
    Probably, we should delete the whole reference to fees; the subclauses (a) and (c) (i).
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that we could refer to clause 78 so, the prescribed fee under clause 78 just as clause 18 ought to have done and not be deleted in its entirety because in that case, it would not depend on the information officer.
    It would ensue from what Parliament would have done under clause 78. That is the issue that I would like to draw the Chairman's attention to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    So if we have deleted clause 78, there is no need to make any references to any prescribed fee; it would be part of the law. And anybody who is applying must know that under the law, clause 78 applies.
    So, Hon Chairman, I believe we should rather delete subclause (a) and subclause (c) (i).
    Mr Banda 2:29 p.m.
    My only difficulty here is, how would the person know how much he is coming to pay since clause 78 would be prescribing a variety of fees? How would the person know that this is exactly how much I am going to pay? That would be a challenge.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    Is that not determined by the information officer?
    Mr Banda 2:29 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker. That would be determined by the information officer but how would the applicant know that this is how much he or she is coming to pay.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    The applicant has applied under this Act, and the information is in the Act, the prescribed fee. That is why I have a problem with using the fees and charges.
    If you are going to provide fees, then, probably, it should be here rather than lifting it to any charges, which means that any time you pick the Bill, you must get the charges as updated to be able to tell the fees to be paid. But when we get to clause 78, we would review that.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, indeed, this clause 34(2)(a) is well-intentioned. This is because there are some activities which would be done consequent or pursuant to the application. And those activities would involve cost.
    Insofar as we do not want to put a fetter on the way of the applicant in accessing and enjoying his or her right under the Constitution, we also want the applicant to be accountable and responsible.
    But my issue is the ‘prescribed'. I just thought that and I have been emboldened by subclause 2(c)(i). I just thought that if we are deleting ‘reproduction fees', translation fees and transcription fee', it should just be that ‘the application the notice refers to in subsection 1 shall state the fee payable, simple, the fees payable but not prescribed.
    You have deleted ‘prescribed' up to now. So, the notice must indicate the fee payable. That is all.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    Hon Members. Let us deal with the amendment before us.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am saying that the amendment should be to delete all the words in clause 34(2)(a) beginning from ‘reproduction' and ending at ‘transcription'. So, it reads:
    “Where the head of the public institution determines that access should be granted, the notice referred to in subsection 1 shall state the fee payable.”
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Chairman, that is the proposed review of the amendment.
    Mr Banda 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, once there is indication of fee payable, I do not have a problem. -- [Laughter.]
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, before we agree to that, we may have to look at subclause 2(c). It is just pre- emptive that we are doing two things —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    I was saying that we would delete that one. And I believe there is a proposed amendment—
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:29 p.m.
    We are deleting subclause (c).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    Is that right?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:29 p.m.
    I am just saying that have a look at subclause (c) before you run into another turbulence there.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    It is proposed to be deleted in the next amendment.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    Item numbered v, Hon Chairman of Committee?
    Mr Banda 2:29 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 34, subclause (2), paragraph (c), delete.
    Mr Speaker, the right of review is well captured under clause 67 of the Bill. So, the proper place to situate this provision is clause 67.
    Secondly, Mr Speaker, we do not need to tell the applicant that he has the right of appeal. That right is wellgranted and wellestablished and in fact, wellsituated within the Bill.
    Mr Speaker, these are the two reasons why this amendment is being proposed. We are deleting subclause (c) and subsequently, it would find expression under clause 67 of the Bill.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:29 p.m.
    I would put the Question on the entire clause 34.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Chairman of Committee?
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, subclause (3), the first line; subject to subsection 2, ‘where an applicant…' I would like to propose that we delete ‘an' and insert ‘the'. This is because ‘where the applicant has been notified that access…' -- There is already the mention of ‘applicant' in the preceding provisions.
    Mr Speaker, secondly, I would want us to have a second look at clause 34 (4). The way clause 34(4) has been crafted, it seems there is not much clarity on it. So, I would plead that --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Let us take them one after the other. “Where an applicant has been notified”; and you are saying that we should change it to “the”. I do not see why, because there is no one specific applicant here. There could be several applicants in the same situation.
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, you would realise that under clause 34 (1) (b), there is the motion of notifying the applicant of that decision. So, it is the same applicant who is being referred to under subclause 3 and not any other applicant. So, the use of “the”, does not necessarily mean that it is referring to one applicant.
    It could be any other applicant but because there is already the mention of the applicant in the preceding provisions, that is why I am tempted to use the definite article but not the indefinite article.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Hon Chairman, go to subclause (4).
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, clause 34(4) seems to talk about third-party infor- mation. That is where information yet to be released contains third-party information. The provision says that the information would not be released until the person whom the information concerns has exhausted all the rights of appeal.
    However, reading through subclause (4) and the way it has been crafted, it seems there is no clarity on it. So, I pray that we suspend the vote on the whole of clause 34, so that we could improve upon the rendition of subclause (4). This is to help us come out with a better rendition.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Very well.
    So, I would defer the decision on clause
    34.
    Clause 35 -- Notice to third parties
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 35, transpose to after clause 71.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Hon Chairman, what did you say? Are you transposing clause 35?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    What is the meaning of that? Do you mean we should delete it?
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, all that we are saying is that clause 71 deals with third- party notice.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Is there any problem with the text of clause 35? If there is no problem but it is just wrongly located, I would give the appropriate direction.
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the text strictly speaking does not have a problem but has to be improved upon.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    So, what do you suggest? Do we defer it?
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Transposition is not the business of Parliament. The draftspersons would appropriately allocate it. However, if the text has to be improved upon, then we would be interested in that.
    So, should we defer it?
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Rightly so Mr Speaker, let us defer clause 35.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    Very well.
    There is no advertised amendment to clause 36. Should I put the Question on clause 36? What do you suggest?
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, delete clause 36. This is because it is superfluous. It says:
    “The head of the public institution shall exercise the power conferred under section 34.”
    That power is already granted, so there is no need to say it and emphasise that the head of the public institution shall exercise the power. It is already granted under clause 34.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    So, what do you propose I do?
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I propose that we delete clause 36.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:39 p.m.
    It appears to me that Hon Members have lost the vim to continue, so I would bring the proceedings to a close.

    Well then, let Hon Members show that they are here with me.

    Clause 37 -- Affirmation of decision
    Mr Banda 2:39 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 37, delete.
    We felt that what is referred to as “deemed affirmation” should not be entertained. I believe sometime this week or last week, we debated on the issue of “deemed refusal”. Hon Members were of the view that we should maintain “deemed refusal”.
    So, after a certain period of time, if the Information Officer has not acted, it would mean that the application has been refused. That is what is referred to as “deemed refusal”.
    Mr Speaker, it is the same principle that has been applied here and this provision says that where the head of the public institution fails to give a decision on a request for internal review within 15 days, the head of that public institution is deemed to have affirmed the original decision of the Information Officer.
    We propose that it be deleted because we want the head of the institution to act on the application for the internal review. The situation should not be created where
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that was the decision we arrived at, but because of what we did earlier, in reading this provision carefully, it is intended to mature a right of an applicant to appeal against the decision of the Head of the Institution. That is why the law is giving fifteen days.
    Indeed, our decision was that the head of the institution must act, but it should not be read from the point of view of the head of the institution. This provision must be read as a part of the rights of the applicant to invoke the authority of the Commission to determine an application for review which has not been acted upon by the Head of the Institution.
    Mr Speaker, the problem is that, if this one is deleted and the applicant after waiting for some time, goes to the Commission with an application that the head of institution has not responded to his or her review, he or she would be shot down as his or her application being premature. That is the problem. So, fifteen days would mature the right to review.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    The Hon Ranking Member of the Committee has opposed the proposed amendment by the Hon Chairman of the Committee. The Hon Chairman of the Committee and the Hon
    Ranking Member of the Committee are at opposing ends.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am only complementing him. I was part of the decision, and our minds were directed towards compelling the Head of Institution to act.
    We should not give him the opportunity not to act, but taking a second look at it, I believe that this provision should be directed towards the applicant and not the Head of Institution.
    At what point would the applicant exercise his or her right to appeal to a Commission? That is what I am looking at now. And we are say that after fifteen days he or she reserves the right to appeal.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    We hope that we can compel heads of public institutions to act, but there would be those who would not act because either they are recalcitrant or that the applicant annoys him or her or just that he or she is just lazy.
    If we delete this, what would happen is that, one would say he or she would do or consider it because he or she has been busy. But if this is there and within fifteen days there is no action, it is assumed that he or she has refused it and therefore the person's right to appeal would kick in. So, I believe this one should be retained.
    Mr Abban 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, you have said it all. Upon a second thought this should stay so that the applicant would know that even if the head of the Institution decides to play around, after fifteen days he or she has the right to go to the next level --
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to abandon the proposed amendment because that is the sense of the House.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Clause 37 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
    Clause 38 - -Application to High Court for judicial review
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 38 headnote, delete “High” and insert “Supreme”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, do you propose that the application should go to the Supreme Court?
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is rightly so. The reason for this proposed amendment is that under article 135 of the Constitution, matters which deal with the security of the State and injury that is likely to be occasioned to the public interest are decided by the Supreme Court.
    Mr Speaker, I am also cognisant of the fact that even where the matter is before a court that is below the Supreme Court, either the High Court, the Appeal Court or the Circuit Court, whenever an issue that relates to the security of the State is in issue or raised, or a matter that relates to the injury that is likely to be occasioned to the public interest is raised, the lower court is under an obligation to stay proceedings and refer that matter to the Supreme Court.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, which article did you refer to?
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I referred to article 135 of the Constitution.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    Article 135 says:
    (1) ‘‘The Supreme Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction to determine whether an official
    document shall not be produced in court because its production or the disclosure of its contents will be prejudicial to the security of the State or will be injurious to the public interest.
    (2) Where any issue referred to in clause (1) of this article arises as to the production or otherwise of an official document in any proceedings before any court, other than the Supreme Court, the proceedings in that other court shall be suspended while the Supreme Court examines the document and determines whether the document should be produced or not; and the Supreme Court shall make the appropriate order.''
    That is the basis. What about the human rights proceedings? Because this is supposed to be a humans right. Which court has jurisdiction in human rights proceedings?
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is the High Court.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    I do not know, but we should consider again, the appropriate forum.
    Dr Ayine 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, following the question you asked with regards to the jurisdiction of the High Court in human rights matters, we know that under chapter five, that jurisdiction is exclusive and because we are dealing with the right to information, the appropriate court should be the High Court.
    Then when an issue arises as to whether or not the document is one that borders on national security, the High Court would stay proceedings and refer that matter to the Supreme Court for determination in accordance with article
    135.
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, to a large extent, I agree with the Hon Member. Initially, I also had a challenge because a matter before the public institution strictly speaking, is not a matter before the court.
    So, to say that an issue which relates to the security of the State, which said issue is pending before the public institution should be referred to the Supreme Court straight away poses a constitutional challenge.
    Upon reading it for the second time, I became convinced that it should rather go to the High Court. When it gets to the High Court, it would become properly speaking before a court or --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    And the institution insists that this document would affect the national interest or the security of the State, then that question would automatically be referred to the Supreme Court to determine. So, I believe the amendment is not proper.
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, moreover, clause 38 is “an application for judicial review”. It does not bring a new suite -- and a judicial review is the review of an administrative decision.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, has the amendment been withdrawn?
    Mr Banda 2:49 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, rightly so, the amendment has been withdrawn.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:49 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Very well.
    The proposed amendment to clause 38, item (ix) stands in the name of the Hon Member for Suhum; he is not in the House.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, what do you propose we do? I intend to close at 3 o'clock. It is three minutes to 3 o'clock. Any reason to the proposed amendment?
    Mr Banda 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, Hon Opare- Ansah is proposing that we should delete paragraphs (a) and (b) of clause 38 (1). We do not agree with him; that is what we just dealt with because it borders on the security of the State and on the public interest, it should go to the High Court.
    But to say that it should be deleted, that to me with the greatest respect to the Hon Member, is not tenable and so same should be rejected.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Very well.
    The Hon Member is not in the House to move his application. So, we are taking it as not moved.
    Hon Chairman of the Committee, item numbered (x) stands in your name.
    Mr Banda 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 38, subclause (1), paragraph (b), delete.
    Mr Speaker, our concern had to do with two issues 2:59 p.m.
    security of the State and public interest; that has been the centrepiece of our argument.
    We were of the view that firstly, because it is a human right issue and secondly because it has to do with the security of the State and public interest, it
    has to first of all go to the High Court for the High Court to determine whether it bothers on the security of the State or it is a matter that is likely to imperil the public interest, for which reason the High Court is obligated to refer it to the Supreme Court.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Hon Member, so you are suggesting by this that apart from these two occasions which indeed are constitutional requirements anyway, it is automatic and nobody can apply for a judicial review for refusal? Is that the proposed amendment?
    Alhaji Fuseini — rose --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Ranking Member?
    Alhaji Fuseini 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought that the Chairman would abandon the amendment.
    The amendment was only moved because we had in the narrow construction of that power, limited it to only documents which are injurious. So, we refer it, and if it is the Supreme Court, you cannot say, for any other reason. You can only go there on the production of documents. But now that we have restored the High Court, that argument cannot hold.
    This is because if the fees assessed are such that I can argue that the fees slapped on me to access information is a constructive denial of that access to information, I can go to the High Court for a judicial review of the fees --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Or any reason that is given for denial, if I have a reason to ask for a review, I should be able to have access. Indeed, when it comes to these two matters, they need not even be here. In my view, they are
    only here for purposes of emphasis; it is a constitutional requirement anyway.
    Hon Members, but when I am refused access, then my right to appeal for a judicial review should not be taken away under any circumstances. Therefore, I think that this proposed amendment is ill- fated.
    Mr Banda 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, except that we should sit and make the processes clearer because the first appeal or review is to the head of the institution. I believe from the head of the institution, it would then go to the High Court.
    But this one says; “Where an applicant is refused access to information by a public institution” -- it is not clear whether within this context it is the head of the institution or --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Hon Member, I think we have given the process; from the information officer, we have appealed to the head of the institution. Now, from refusal from the head of the institution, we have stated that he may give a ruling within 15 days.
    If he does not then it is deemed as a denial. So, as a matter of fact, it is a follow up from the decision of the appeal to the head of the institution. So, we withdraw this amendment --
    Mr Banda 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I hereby abandon the proposed amendment.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    And the subsequent one which was also seeking to substitute High Court for Supreme Court?
    Mr Banda 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the two proposed amendments under clause 38, items (x) and (xi) are abandoned.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr Banda 2:59 p.m.


    Clause 38 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

    Hon Members, it is four minutes past 3.00 o'clock and I intend to bring proceedings to a close at this time. So that brings us to the end of the Consideration of the Right to Information Bill, 2018 for today.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:59 p.m.
    — rose --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, from the very outset, we said to ourselves that we were going to endeavour to complete the Consideration Stage of this Bill before the Budget Statement came to be presented.
    Failing that, as we assured, we said whatever the case was, come 21st of December, 2018, we would have completed the passage of this Bill. Tomorrow, the Budget Statement is going to be presented but we are not through with the Bill yet.
    Mr Speaker, the assurance that we can offer is that in debating the principles of the Budget Statement after its presen- tation, normally, there is a gap before we come to consider sectorial indications, which is normally about one week.
    We shall afford ourselves of that space to do whatever is possible to get through with the passage of the Right to Information Bill. If we should even extend Sittings, as I said at the very outset, we would do that.
    Mr Speaker, but let the public be assured that we shall do what is right and not respond to the bashing of anybody.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    Hon Majority Leader, are you feeling pressurised? [Laughter]
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:59 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not under any pressure at all. We represent the people of this country and we would do what is right.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:59 p.m.
    So let us not be bothered by what -- Let us do the work according to our pace.
    Hon Majority Leader, since we resumed, we have always started on time and sat beyond the legally required time. If anybody is not satisfied, that is his beef. But we are required to close at 2 o'clock but we have always closed one hour more or beyond that, working on this Bill.
    I do not think that we need to give any assurances; we are working within the legally-mandated time. We have not done anything that is not legally mandated and we do not need to give any assurances.
    Yes, Hon Available Leader?
    Alhaji I. Fuseini 3:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, you are even more than right. I remember last week, an Hon Member raised the issue of quorum and because this House under your leadership was focused on working on the Bill, you took a bold decision on suspending the Standing Orders.
    People must appreciate that when the Standing Orders even gave you the authority to adjourn, because of the importance of this Bill, you suspended it and that is very important.
    Mr Speaker, you deprived us as MPs of the leave and permission to walk out because people were not many in the Chamber.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:09 p.m.
    Hon Majority Leader, do you have any announcement for tomorrow, otherwise -- [Pause]
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, tomorrow, the Budget Statement and Economic Policy of Government for 2019 would be presented and I would plead with Hon Members to be here on time.
    We expect that by 10.00 a.m., the Hon Minister for Finance would start presenting the Budget Statement to us. We should be seated by 9.30 a.m. or latest by quarter to ten so that we could quickly
    get through it hopefully not beyond 1:00 p.m.

    Mr Speaker, so, let us be early tomorrow; latest by 9.45 a.m., we should be seated and we would do justice to what is required of us to do tomorrow.

    Mr Speaker, in that vein, I would want to plead with the Business Committee, that we sit early at 8.00 a.m. and hope to finish Business latest by 9.00 a.m. and migrate to the Chamber.
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:09 p.m.
    Hon available Leader, I intend to bring Business to a close. I asked him to make an announcement. Do you have comments on the announcement? [Interruptions] -- Thank you very much.
    ADJOURNMENT 3:09 p.m.