Debates of 5 Nov 2019

MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 11:22 a.m.

ANNOUNCEMENTS 11:22 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Hon Minority Leader, how many of your Hon Members were at the caucus meeting?
Mr Haruna Iddrisu 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the number was not good enough. They are here and the others are on their way. The number was about sixty (60) Hon Members.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
I would be glad to see all of them in the Chamber.
Mr Iddrisu 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, they will be on their way shortly.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Very well.
VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:22 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Hon Members, Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Friday, 1st November, 2019
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Hon Members, we have the Official Report of Monday, 22nd July, 2019; Tuesday, 23 rd July, 2019; and Tuesday, 22nd October, 2019.
Hon Members, any corrections?
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Kumbungu?
Mr Mubarak 11:22 a.m.
I am very grateful, Mr Speaker.
On column 4318, last line of the Report of M onday, 22nd July, 2019, last line ‘advert' should read ‘avert'; ‘…avert our minds to…'
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member for North Tongu?
Mr Ablakwa 11:22 a.m.
I am most grateful, Mr Speaker.
The Official Report of 23rd July, 2019, column 4443, the third paragraph, line 4, I referred to Saudi Arabia in the Statement I made. ‘Saudi' has been spelt wrongly. Could it be corrected?
Thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Very well; noted.
Hon Members, any more corrections please?
Hon Members, the Official Reports of Monday, 22nd July, 2019 and Tuesday, 23rd July, 2019 as
corrected, are hereby adopted as the true records of proceedings.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Clerk-at-the-Table informed the House about the unavoidable absence of the Rt Hon Speaker and by that, serenaded your own Chairship of proceedings.
Mr Speaker, he referred us to Order 13(2), which is very appropriate. When you chair, you perform prescribed functions set out in Order 53(1), and I would want to believe that because prayers is part of the functions that the Rt Hon Speaker performs, going forward, I think that the better time to have the communication transmitted to the House should be immediately Mr Speaker settles and before prayers are said. I think that would be a better way of doing it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minority Leader?
Mr James Klutse Avedzi 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I think the Order of Business that we go through everyday has
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I thought that the Hon Deputy Minority Leader was going to enrich what the Hon Majority Leader said. He referred us to Standing Order 53 which gives us the Order of Business which begins with Prayers. So all that he said was that the Clerk-at-the- Table should refer us to Standing Order 53 before Prayers are said.
This morning, we said Prayers before the Announcement was made. So the Standing Orders as provided for now is not problematic. All that he is saying is that before Prayers are said, he has to inform the House of the unavoidable absence of Mr
Speaker. So I do not see any value added.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Very well.
I think that we have had enough and it is noted. Leadership and the Clerks-at-the-Table should discuss and rectify any error if there is.
ANNOUNCEMENT 11:32 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Item numbered 3, Questions. Hon Majority Leader, there is one Question for the Minister for Trade and Industry.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we have communication from the Hon Minister for Trade and Industry that he would want to come and personally take charge of the Question. Unfortunately, he is committed to a pre-arranged
programme today, 5th November, 2019 and has pleaded that we relocate him to Friday, 8th November, 2019. We have asked the Table Office to communicate same to him, that we shall wait for him on Friday. So, he would not be here with us today.
Mr Avedzi 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, are we going to allow Hon Ministers to decide when answering Questions would be convenient for them? This Question was communicated to the Hon Minister and he indicated that he would come and answer. Why the change?
He has a Deputy Minister who should come and answer the Question if he is not available. We should not continue to allow Hon Ministers to determine the Business of this House. If he would not come, why would we even list the Question in the Order Paper? This is because the Hon Minister has given an indication that he would come and answer and that is why the Question was listed.
Mr Speaker, I think that we should be firm with Hon Ministers by always bringing them to this House anytime they are asked Questions. There are Questions which were asked by Members over six months ago and once the Question has been listed, we would not allow the Hon Minister to come when it is convenient for him.

Speaker, with respect to my Hon Colleague, he should not be presumptuous. He does not even know when the Question was transmitted to the Ministry, yet he said that there are certain times when Questions have not been answered in six months. When was this particular Question submitted?

The Minister's communication to us is that regrettably, he has pre- arranged commitments on Tuesday, 5th November, 2019 and would therefore not be available to answer the Question. However, he would be grateful if a new date by the House is set for him, but he prefers Friday, which would be the next available time that he would be here.

Mr Speaker, the language and tenor of this letter does not in any way suggest that the Hon Minister is imposing any date on us. Clearly, the Hon Member was not listening to what I was saying and I saw that he was prompted by somebody to his left hand side. Clearly, the Hon Minister is not imposing any date on us.

He said that there is a pre- arrangement and I know the President is insistent that Hon Ministers should take charge to come and answer Questions themselves, unless they are outside the jurisdiction.

I hope my Hon Colleague would understand this in order for us to move on as early as possible.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Members and Leaders, I think that we should not use the House's time -
Mr Avedzi 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, you would not be fair to me if you do not allow me because he made an allegation that somebody was prompting me. I am a Christian and nobody prompted me. How could he be over there and know that somebody prompted me?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Member, you are seeking leave from me but you are engaging him on a private chat. Now talk to me.
Mr Avedzi 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the point I am raising is exactly what has been captured in the letter from the Hon Minister. It means that the work of the House is usually second to what the Ministers want to do. If Parliament summons an Hon Minister and the Hon Minister thinks that he has pre- arranged another activity and for that matter, he cannot come -- [interruptions]
The point I am raising is that we should not continue to allow this to happen all the time. If not, we would
continue to list Questions and the Hon Ministers would not come because they always have pre-arranged activities. So, we should not continue to do that and allow them to determine how Business should be run in the House.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Members, Question numbered 642 is hereby rescheduled to Friday, 8th November, 2019 to be answered by the Hon Minister.
Item numbered 4, Statements. I have admitted one Statement.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, respectfully, could you migrate to item numbered 5 because I have a very important pre-arranged business outside the House.
Mr Speaker, I need to step out in the next five minutes, to attend to a business which is very important and has been pre-arranged. In spite of that, I would want to indulge you to allow me to do what is programmed for me to do under item numbered 5(a), so I could exit the House.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Very well.
The application is to vary the Order of Business to enable the Hon Majority Leader lay the Papers listed under his name before he leaves the House.
Hon Deputy Minority Leader, do you have any comments on that?
Mr Avedzi 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I agree that the Order of Business could be varied. He is an Hon Minister and he also pre-arranged for a meeting but fortunately, he is in the House to perform other duties. So we ask other Hon Ministers, to also come to the House despite their pre-arranged activities like the Hon Majority Leader has done.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, respectfully, I have no intention to comment on commen- taries -- so, if I could do my task and then exit the Chamber?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Very well.
The Order of Business is hereby varied. We would take item numbered 5(a) first.
At the Commencement of Public Business -- Presentation of Papers. Item numbered 5(a)(i).
PAPERS 11:42 a.m.

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Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, for us to finish with item numbered 5, could you please, allow the Hon Minister for Planning to lay the Paper on behalf of the Hon Minister for Finance, in respect of item numbered 5(b)?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Very well.
Hon Minister for Planning, item numbered 5(b)(i)?
By the Minister for Planning (Prof George Yaw Gyan-Baffour) (on behalf of the Minister for Finance) --
(i) Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance) and the Industrial and Commercial Bank Of China (ICBC) Limited for an amount of up to ninety-five million, three hundred and seventy-five thousand, twenty United States dollars and thirty-six cents (US$95,375,020.36), to finance the supply and erection of electrical materials and equipment for the electrification of 582 commu- nities in the Ashanti, Brong Ahafo, Eastern, Volta and Western Regions (Phase 2 of the initial 1,033 Communities).
(ii) Term Loan Facility Agree- ment between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance) and Societe General Ghana Limited for an amount of up to fifteen million, four hundred and fifty thousand United States dollars (US$15,450,000.00), to finance the supply and
erection of electrical materials and equipment for the electri- fication of 582 communities in the Ashanti, Brong Ahafo, Eastern, Volta and Western Regions (Phase 2 of the initial 1,033 Communities).
(iii) Request for waiver of Import Duties, Import VAT, Import NHIL/GETFund Levy, ECOWAS Levy, EXIM Levy and Special Import Levy amounting to the Ghana Cedi equivalent of thirty-one million, sixteen thousand, seven hundred and seventy- one United States dollars (US$31,016,771.00) [equi- valent to GH¢158,216,548.93] on project materials and equipment to be procured under the Agreement to finance the supply and erection of electrical materials and equipment for the electrification of 582 communities in the Ashanti, Brong Ahafo, Eastern, Volta and Western Regions (Phase 2 of the initial 1,033 Commu- nities).
Referred to the Finance Committee.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minority Leader?
Mr Avedzi 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Paper that was laid with respect to item numbered 5 (b) (iii), it says “phase 2 of 1,033 Communities''. I would want to know from the Hon Minister who laid that Paper whether it is the phase 2 and the last Phase or there is a Phase 3?
In that same document, there is the mention of Ashanti and Brong Ahafo Regions but there is no more Brong Ahafo Region, so why does the Agreement still mention “Brong Ahafo and Western Region?''
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minority Leader, I invite you to join the Committee, so that you could ask all your questions, get all clarifications and report to the House.
Hon Majority Leader, are we ready to do item numbered 5(c)?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, item numbered 5(c), is a Commercial Contract Agreement which has to be referred to the appropriate Committee, so respectfully, if the House would indulge the Hon Minister for Planning to do same, so that the appropriate referral could be made.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Do you want the Hon Minister for Planning to lay the Paper on behalf of the Hon Minister for Energy?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 a.m.
That is so, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Hon Minister for Planning, you may lay item numbered 5(c).
By the Minister for Planning (Prof George Yaw Gyan-Baffour) (on behalf of the Minister for Energy) --
Commercial Contract Agree- ment between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Energy) and China International Water and Electric Corporation for an amount of one hundred and three million United States dollars (US$103,000,000.00) for the supply and erection of electrical materials and equipment for the electrification of 582 communities in the Ashanti, Brong Ahafo, Eastern, Volta and Western Regions (Phase 2 of the initial 1,033 Communities).
Referred to the Committee on Mines and Energy.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, since we are dealing with item numbered 5, if the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee could also lay the Papers in respect of item numbered 5(d), so we could bring the consideration of the Presentation of Papers to a close.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 a.m.
Very well.
Hon Chairman of the Committee on Finance, you may present the Papers in item numbered 5(d).
Item numbered 5(d) (i)?
By the Chairman of the Committee --
(i) Report of the Finance Committee on the Loan Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and the Interna- tional Development Associa- tion of the World Bank Group (acting as implemen- ting entity of the Forest Investment Programme under the Strategic Climate Fund) for an amount of seven million United States dollars (US$7,000,000.00) being additional financing for Enhancing Natural Forest and Agroforest Landscapes Project (FIPENFAL).
(ii) Report of the Finance Committee on the Request for waiver of Import Duties, Import VAT, Import NHIL/ GETFund Levy, AU Levy, ECOWAS Levy, EXIM Levy, Special Import Levy amounting to the Ghana cedi equivalent of five million, nine hundred and eighty-three thousand, five hundred and forty dollars ninety-seven cents (US$5,983,540.97) on the purchase of equipment and materials for the Completion of the University of Ghana Medical Hospital - Phase 2 under a turnkey project involving Expansion Works at the University of Ghana Medical Centre.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:52 a.m.
Item numbered 5(d)(iii)?
By the Chairman of the Committee --
(iii) Report of the Finance Committee on the Request for waiver of Import Duties, Import VAT, Import NHIL/ GETFund Levy, AU Levy, ECOWAS Levy, EXIM Levy and Special Import
Levy amounting to the Ghana Cedi equivalent of seven million, five hundred and sixty-three thousand, nine hundred and thirty-two euros (€7,563,932.00) on project materials and equipment to be procured under the Moderni- sation and Equipping of the Tetteh Quarshie Memorial Hospital, Kibi District Hospital, Aburi Hospital and the Atibie Hospital Project.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:52 a.m.
Can I return to item numbered 4 now?
Item numbered 4 -- Statements by Hon Member for North Tongu; Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa.
STATEMENTS 11:52 a.m.

Mr Samuel O. Ablakwa (NDC -- North Tongu) 11:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am most grateful for the opportunity to make this Statement.
Last Saturday, the 2nd of November, 2019 was comme-
Mr Ras Mubarak (NDC -- Kumbungu) 12:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am very grateful and I would like to commend my Hon Colleague, Hon Ablakwa, for such a beautiful and brilliant Statement.
Mr Speaker, there is absolutely no doubt that we live in a climate of hatred and intolerance against journalists, not just in this country, but all over the world. Mr Speaker, if you look at the statistics globally, it is very scary. More journalists get attacked. Journalists become the news instead of them reporting the news or the story.
A recent report by Reporters Without Borders shows that the numbers have really gone up. For instance, in Afghanistan, 15 journalists were killed in one year, in Syria the figure was 11; in Yemen the figure was eight, and in the United States of America of all places, the figure was four.
Mr Speaker, if you take a closer look at the statistics, these attacks happen largely in places where democracy has not been truly entrenched. That is why in war-torn areas, the numbers are really
increasing. That does not mean that we should lower our guard and it does not mean that in places where democracy is well-entrenched, we should not put in place the necessary building blocks, to ensure that journalists undertake their jobs without intimidation and also for media owners to give protection to them so that they could go about their activities without fear and favour.
Mr Speaker, as Hon Ablakwa has aptly indicated in the Statement, we would be happy to get some updates on the murder of our colleague and friend who was a journalist with Tiger Eye PI who was killed this year. I believe that giving the public some updates on the investigations would go a long way to assuaging the concerns and fears of journalists who might think that the State does not protect them enough.
Mr Speaker, in concluding, I would want to encourage members of the inky fraternity -- the media, journalists, and even citizen reporters, to be very steadfast and not be discouraged by threats on their lives. These attacks are mainly undertaken by politicians, businessmen and women and religious leaders who have something to hide. If a person has nothing to hide and believes that a journalist does his or her work in a very professional manner, then there is no reason for the journalist to be attacked.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:02 p.m.
The emphasis is on the “professional manner”.
Mr Ras Mubarak 12:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, exactly, but that should not be the case -- there are processes for redress. If a journalist sways and does not undertake professional work, there are processes for redress and one of which includes a complaint to the National Media Commission (NMC) or seeking redress in a court. Mr Speaker, this is the best way to get a journalist to act professionally, but clearly, attacking, shit-bombing or assassinating a journalist is not the way to go.
I believe that society must come together and recognise the importance of the media because they are the fourth estate of the realm. There may be cases where the media would get it wrong, but they getting wrong does not give anyone the opportunity to launch unnecessary attacks on them as we have seen elsewhere in the world.
Mr Speaker, on this note, I would want to thank you for the opportunity and to encourage media houses to keep the fire burning, to remain steadfast and resolute, and to also encourage media owners to ensure that journalists are given the necessary protection to undertake their work.
Mr Andy K. Appiah-Kubi (NPP -- Asante Akim North) 12:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for your recognition to congratulate my Hon Brother for bringing this matter to the attention of the House.
Mr Speaker, it is on record that the NPP Government under President Kufuor repealed the Criminal Libel Law which was an inhibition to the practice of journalism within the free community.
Mr Speaker, it is also on record that the President, H.E. Nana Addo Dankwa Akufo-Addo was the then Attorney-General and Minister for Justice who championed this endeavour to repeal the Criminal Libel Law which had been used in the past to intimidate and in most cases, punish journalists who practised the profession.
Mr Speaker, I would want to call your attention to the earlier scenario that we had. My Hon Friend mentioned the names of journalists who suffered some pain during various Administrations. Mr Speaker, because of his age, I would want to pardon him for not referring to earlier punishments suffered by individuals like Kofi Koomson of The Chronicle who was shit-bombed severally during the Fourth Republican Administration under former President Rawlings.
Mr Speaker, there is also record of the imprisonment of a gentleman by name Tommy Thompson of the then Free Press. He was imprisoned and nobody could come to his aid during that time. Mr Speaker, I would also want to mention Mr Mensah Bonsu of the famous “Page 48” who later became the Ambassador to Togo. He was also imprisoned for just expressing his opinion in the newspapers.
I would end this list with our cherished Archbishop Palmer-Buckle who was also the editor of the Catholic Journal. It is on record that assassins chased him and he managed to escape death by the skin of his teeth. Unfortunately, somebody in his house was arrested and imprisoned.
Mr Speaker, I am not trying to justify current occurrences, but I am just bringing to our attention the misdeeds of past Administrations. What was bad yesterday is equally bad today.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:02 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Is it a point of order?
Mr George 12:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes I just want to draw the attention of the Hon Member to the correct name of the newspaper that Archbishop Palmer-Buckle used to be the editor. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member said “Catholic Journal”, but it is actually the Catholic Standard.
Mr A. K. Appiah-Kubi 12:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank my Hon Brother for the correction, but at least, it does not deviate from the position that I have espoused. I am just trying to recall some of the earlier situations that escaped the attention of the Hon Member who made the statement and in so doing, mentioned names because these issues are very current. I do not fault him for forgetting the names of those who had suffered injustice in the past.
Mr Speaker, in saying all these, let us also not forget that rights go with responsibilities. It is an advice to all of us to display a sense of nationalism when we have the platform to articulate our views. Indeed, I would want to suggest that we critically consider the formulation of public integrity laws, which would also make us all aware that Ghana is the enterprise that all of us belonged to. Therefore in one's articulation of a partisan position, we need to consider
Mr Richard K. Quashigah (NDC -- Keta) 12:12 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to add my voice to this Statement which is apt and very splendid.
Mr Speaker, indeed, it is true that in recent times, many journalists have come under series of attacks. We
must admit that it is not a pleasant situation because without journalists, I am sure democracy in Ghana would not have gotten to where it is. Therefore it is pertinent that the journalist is given the necessary and needed protection in order to discharge his or her duties.
We have all trumpeted that the media is the fourth estate of the realm, and that we have actually taken off our books; the Criminal Libel Law and all that, and we have celebrated people who pioneered some of these laudable moves. However, the question is, today, can we say that we treat our journalists or the media with the decency that is required?
Mr Speaker, I would not want to dilate any longer on the names of journalists who have suffered in this country as mentioned by Hon Members who spoke earlier, especially the Hon Member who made the Statement. I would rather want us to look at the way forward. All that happened belonged to history.
What have we actually learnt from them to the extent that today, we witness heinous crimes against practitioners in the media, and to the extent that people make conscious efforts to gun them just to silence them and to instil fear in media practitioners? The culture of silence today is growing and it is louder than before,
even before when we had the Criminal Libel Law.
Mr Speaker, there is therefore the need that we as legislators --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:12 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Yes, Hon Member for Effutu?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Standing Order 72 provides that when commenting briefly on Statements, as we have this morning, we should comply with Standing Order 70(2). There is a ruling on this matter. We are not to raise issues that are controversial and could lead to unnecessary debates.
Mr Speaker, the submission by my respected Hon Colleague to the effect that the culture of silence is increasing in this present Administration cannot be supported by any fact. If he says the culture of silence is increasing now in this country, the metaphor he is trying to create is that yesterday was better than today. These are very controversial matters. He knows that, if a person really wants to bring a debate, he should choose a day and come with it so that we debate it, but
if he wants to smuggle such a contro- versial matter in a Statement where he is only supposed to make a brief comment as the directive in the Standing Order is -- Mr Speaker, he should withdraw and apologise.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:12 p.m.
Hon Member, your comment is well made.
Hon Member for Keta, please avoid making statements which are controversial. The Statement itself, as read by the Hon Member, was not controversial.
Mr Quashigah 12:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am actually surprised and baffled because I do not know where I went wrong. However, I take on board your advice and caution.
Mr Speaker, in effect, what was I driving at? Today, we have had situations where journalists are gunned down, and even though they know that they have freedom to do their work to bring information to the general public, to ensure that they educate and inform the public, most of them do that in fear today. They fear that if they bring out an information that can actually -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:12 p.m.
Hon Member, what is the basis for saying that most journalists are doing their work in fear?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:12 p.m.
You are a Member of Parliament (MP); you practise here. If you have any evidence that anybody --
Mr Quashigah 12:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I have had several interactions with colleagues in the media, and because I still practise someway, somehow, it is obvious --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:12 p.m.
Hon Member, kindly withdraw “most” and “fear”. There is no basis for making that allegation.
Mr Quashigah 12:22 p.m.
Rightly so, Mr Speaker, I withdraw.
Mr Speaker, clearly, we must create an environment where the journalists would be absolutely bold, free and determined to ensure that they inform the Ghanaian public about the happenings in our society, and also ensure that those who are put in the captain's position of authority do what is right and proper. This is because, it has become abundantly clear over the world that anytime journalists go after people who commit crimes in society, in the name of their offices, some people go after them.
Mr Speaker, having said all that, again, it is also incumbent on journalists to ensure that they perform their jobs with responsibility. We can also agree that the journalism that is practised today is quite problematic because some media owners themselves have turned themselves into journalists, breaking all the ethical values of journalism in this country. Mr Speaker, where you would find media house owners who know second to nothing about journalism believe that sitting on radio and saying whatever they feel like saying is journalism. These people are polluting and actually fouling the environment.
Mr Speaker, a media house owner must not necessarily become the journalist who should inform us. It has become one too many in this country. Mr Speaker, I would want us to use this environment to bring about some sanity within the media space. While we preach that journalists should be preserved and protected and that they should also be responsible, we must also caution owners of media houses to know their remit and their ranks.

Mr Speaker, I would not bore the House with much words, but I believe that as was mentioned by the Hon Member who made the Statement,

the economic status of the journalists today in this country is also terribly appalling. It is high time that we came to a certain point where we would think through and reflect on the group of people that we refer to as the fourth estate of the realm.

Mr Speaker, today, are we really concerned about how much journalists are paid by their media owners?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:22 p.m.
Hon Member, kindly wind up.
Mr Quashigah 12:22 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, these issues are very critical to the extent that the NMC that has been mandated by the Constitution of Ghana to see to the affairs of the media is itself so poor that it does not get what it takes or needed as it were, to actually perform the role that it is supposed to. Why do we create institutions when we cannot give them the needed support or funding?
Mr Speaker, with these few words, I thank you for the opportunity.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:22 p.m.
I would take one more contribution.
Mr Kojo Oppong-Nkrumah (Minister for Information)(MP) 12:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I commend the Hon Member who made the Statement and join Hon Members of the House in solidarising with the community of journalists on a day like this.
Mr Speaker, in Ghana, we have chosen for ourselves, a constitutional democracy that recognises freedom of thought, freedom of expression and free media practice. What that means is that, for our democracy to function, we must, at every point in time, have an environment within which we have a media robust with high capacity and freedom to embark upon its work.
Mr Speaker, unfortunately, the global trend suggests that in recent years, journalists have come under attacks and this has become the subject of global attention in finding ways by which countries are able to protect the environment for the practise of free media.
Mr Speaker, in Ghana, the Government of Ghana, working through the Ministry of Information, has had the opportunity throughout this year, to work with the various journalist groups to define what we call the “Coordinated Mechanism for the Safety of Journalists”, which is to be outdoored before the end of this month. I would like to take advantage
Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 12:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Statement ably made by Hon Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa.
Mr Speaker, in calling on this H ouse to recogni se that 2nd November, 2019 was commemorated
by United Nations Member States as the International Day to End Impunity for Crimes Against Journalists, I would want to commend the Hon Member who made the Statement. More especially, this House must join the people of Ghana in saying never again to the impunity, absence or lack of press freedom and abuses of journalists.
The Committee for the Protection of the Journalists, Report shows that in 2018, there were two deaths: one in Somalia and the other in the Central African Republic.
For 2019, only that of Ahmed Suale, as Hon Ablakwa alluded to, is reported in Ghana as a case of a regrettable loss of a journalist in the pursuit of his duties. We would not be wrong to assume that the elimination of Ahmed Suale was to destroy potential evidence that could lead to criminal prosecution on the related matter of the undercover work of Anas Aremeyaw Anas.
Mr Speaker, in this country, two journalists are celebrated 12:22 p.m.
Kwesi Pratt and Kweku Baako. They have experienced it both under military rule or dictatorship and under constitu- tional democratic practices. Their experiences in the two worlds would tell us that we have done better as a country. At least, no journalist is afraid of what happened in the 1960s, 1970s up to the late 1980s.
Mr Speaker, today, Ghana has as many FM stations as the United States, if I were to narrow it to one state within the US. We have as many television stations. It is unprecedented in Africa, if we look at a liberalised landscape of a media regime.
Mr Speaker, what is lacking in Ghana - you pointed out when you wanted our Hon Colleague to be mindful of our Standing Orders -- is for the media to regulate itself and for them to follow their values of responsible journalism -- timely, and accurate reportage.
Mr Speaker, today, we live in a world of social media. Unfortunately, social media has become a toxic source of misinformation. We have to worry about that itself because that is an extension of press freedom and media freedom. Today, it is about social media, and as I have said, it has become a toxic source of misinformation, whether about public life or about personalities.
Mr Speaker, the cost of defamation today cannot be the same as yesterday because now, with social media, one's reach is huge and when reputations are damaged, it is within a second as a mail or a response is sent.
Mr Speaker, so while commending the Hon Member who made the Statement, we need, as a country, to commit ourselves to guaranteeing freedom of expression and access to information through the media. That we have done as a country with a liberalised media landscape.
Mr Speaker, there is now a new form of threat to media practise in the world called the malvertism in the social media and I am sure that very soon it would be in Ghana.
Mr Speaker, my conclusion is that the NMC is under-resourced; they are inadequately financed as a state institution to regulate media. Not too many people want to go to them as an arbiter in the resolution of issues; we go to the courts. When they appear before our Committee on Special Budget every other year, we learn that they struggle with even office accommodation. They do not have resources to monitor the media.
Mr Speaker, repeatedly, we have asked that Ghana must have what is called a Broadcasting Bill, which regulates and defines the players within the broadcasting industry in Ghana, where the public media may be dedicated to the Ghana Broadcasting Cooperation (GBC) or Ghana Television (GTV), then the commercial televisions or radio
Mr Speaker, in this country, two journalists are celebrated 12:32 p.m.
stations and then community FM stations. We need to define the parameters within the law and I believe that it is urgent that the Hon Minister for Information works with his colleague, the Hon Minister for Communications, to make sure that we have a Bill known as the Broadcasting Bill, which would define the parameters of the players in this industry vis-à-vis which is a public media station, private, commercial or community. They all serve very different purposes.

Mr Speaker, there is a conflict between the NMC and the National Communications Authority (NCA) as to who should regulate content when it comes to frequency and other issues, and it needs to be resolved.

Mr Speaker, in commending the Hon Member who made the Statement, I would want to say that Ghana is doing well in terms of press freedom, even though there are still some journalists who, when they cover sensitive stories, they are uncomfortable or may not have the courage to deal with matters as they should.

Mr Speaker, I would want to thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Statement. A t l east, no
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Members, that brings us to the end of Statements.
I would move on to item numbered 6 -- Motion, by the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee.
Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Report before us combines the Motions listed as 6 and 8. I would therefore take both together.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Very well.
MOTIONS 12:32 p.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report
of the Finance Committee on the Long Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance [Ghana Cocoa Board (COCOBOD)]) and the African Development Bank for an amount of up to six hundred million United States dollars (US$600,000,000) for Cocoa Productivity Enhancement Programmes by the Ghana Cocoa Board.
That this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Request for waiver of stamp duty amounting up to the Ghana cedi equivalent of three million United States dollars (US$3,000,000) on the Cocoa Productivity Enhance- ment Programmes by the Ghana Cocoa Board under the Long Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance, Ghana Cocoa Board (COCOBOD) and the African Development Bank for an amount of up to six hundred million United States dollars (US$600,000,000) for cocoa Productivity Enhancement Programmes by the Ghana Cocoa Board.
Mr Speaker, in so doing, I would present your Committee's Report.
1.0 Introduction
Long Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance, Ghana Cocoa Board (COCOBOD)] and the African Development Bank for an amount of up to six hundred million United States dollars (US$600.00 million) for cocoa produc- tivity enhancement pro- grammes by the Ghana Cocoa Board, and
Request for waiver of Stamp Duty of 0.5 per cent of the facility, amounting to the Ghana cedi Equivalent of three million United States dollars (US$3,000,000.00) were presented to the House on Thursday 1st August, 2019 by the Hon Deputy Minister for Finance, Mrs Abena Osei-Asare on behalf of the Minister responsible for Finance in accordance with Article 181 of the 1992 Constitution. The Agreement and the request for the waiver of the associated stamp duty were subsequently referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report in accordance with Orders 169
Mr Cassiel Ato Baah Forson (NDC -- Ajumako/Enyan/ Essiam) 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion.
Mr Speaker, in doing so, I would start by saying that I, as a person, would always support any agreement that seeks to improve the productivity enhancement programme of cocoa. Unfortunately, this facility has some interesting revelations that makes it important for the House's attention to be adverted to.
Mr Speaker, I say this because we were told that an amount of US$600 million would be the amount that the COCOBD would borrow. I am particularly concerned about the structure of the loan agreement in the sense that the expenditure of the US$600 million would be done over a period of three good years.
Mr Speaker, unfortunately, as the practice has always been, loans of this nature are tagged; the draw down is tagged over the period of the expenditure, particularly, the number
of years that the expenditure would be engaged.
Mr Speaker, strangely, this particular loan agreement is an outlier. It is so in the sense that the Government intends to draw down over a period of six months. We were also told at the Committee meeting that they intend to even speed up the period of six months to two months.
Mr Speaker, this is a major concern because clearly, the all-in cost is about five per cent of the US$600 million. My concern is that the Government of Ghana is to borrow an amount of US$600 million, but huge sums of that amount would not be used over the period until three years.
Mr Speaker, however, we are to pay interest from day one. One would have thought that --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Dr A. A. Osei 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Forson inadvertently mentioned the Government of Ghana. This Report has to do with the borrowing by COCOBOD and not the
Government of Ghana. There is a difference.
The borrowing does not go into the books of the Government of Ghana, but it goes into the books of the Ghana Cocoa Board. So the Hon Member should just say that it is the Ghana Cocoa Board that is doing the borrowing.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Ranking Member, be guided.
Mr Forson 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, for the records, the economic classification of the Government of Ghana includes the Ghana Cocoa Board as a Government entity.
Mr Speaker, it is important for all of us to understand that this loan is guaranteed by the State, and that is why the Parliament of Ghana is considering it. If it is for nothing, and the Hon Member thinks the Ghana Cocoa Board could borrow on their own, then why should we discuss it here?
Mr Speaker, I do not think that is the thrust of what is being debated, and I should be allowed to debate on that matter. I would therefore continue on that score.
Mr Speaker, my argument is simple --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Members, if anyone of you would want to speak, I would give him the opportunity so that he speaks into the microphone. The noise blocks out the one who is speaking into the microphone.
The Report before us reads… “the Long Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance Ghana Cocoa Board (COCOBOD) and the African Development Bank…”. The Motion also reflects the same thing, so the Hon Member is not out of order.
Please, conclude.
Mr Forson 12:32 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
My major concern is the fact that this amount would attract interest from day one when we draw down and some of these moneys would sit idle over the period. Mr Speaker, considering the fact that in times that we have idle funds, there is a chance that one could misapply.
Mr Speaker, I do believe that this Arrangement is not in our best interest. It is important that we alert COCOBOD to ensure that they do the right thing.
Mr Speaker, unfortunately —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Member, your Report says on page 9, items numbered (vi) and (vii), that these concerns were raised and answers were given. Is that right? Was the Committee satisfied with the answers?
Mr Forson 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, unfortunately, it does not address my concerns. Putting in an interest bearing account does not mean that the money cannot be withdrawn; it does not address the fact that it could be misapplied. Mr Speaker, the interest bearing account may not necessarily be equal to the amount of money we would pay as interest.
Mr Speaker, considering the fact that the interest bearing account would be in the Ghana cedi currency, and there is a chance of inflation and depreciation of the currency, that does not address the concern. I believe that it is not prudent for COCOBOD to borrow US$600 million, draw down within two months and use the money over a period of three years. Mr Speaker, simply put, it is not prudent.
Mr Speaker, another concern is the use of proceeds; how this money would be used. We were told at the Committee meeting that an amount of
about US$68 million would be used for the purposes of pollination. As I said, I do support pollination, but I am concerned in the sense that we were told at the Committee meeting that in the previous years, COCOBOD projected total productivity of about 850,000 metric tonnes -- in fact, 900,000 metric tonnes for the crop year of 2018/ 2019. They projected it because of the engagement that COCOBOD would have used pollination. Mr Speaker, COCOBOD spent GH¢115.5 million on pollination for that crop year alone.
Mr Speaker, so I would have thought that productivity would have increased, but unfortunately, productivity rather declined. The productivity for the crop year of 2018/2019 was 811,105 metric tonnes. From 2016 to 2019, cocoa productivity has gone down in spite of the supposed intervention.
Mr Speaker, production for 2016/ 2017 crop year was 969,000 metric tonnes; production for the 2017/2018 was 904,000 metric tonnes; and the production for the 2018/2019 crop year was 811,000 metric tonnes. So we can see the declining trend. Unfortunately, we spent huge sums of this money for pollination.
Mr Speaker, we were told that US$68.1 million would be used for pollination. Of this amount, we were told at the Committee meeting, in this document, that selection of mapping of pollination centres alone is about US$1.9 million. How could we spend US$1.9 million to select pollination centres? We should be concerned about the use of the proceeds. Mr Speaker, unfortunately, we were also told that preparing of cocoa farms for pollination is another US$1.9 million. This is not the way public funds are used. I believe that we have to look at it carefully.
Mr Speaker, apart from that, some of the details that we see here - we were also told at the Committee meeting that we would spend US$14.2 million on the survey of cocoa areas alone. This is part of the US$140.2 million that they would use for the rehabilitation of cocoa areas.
Mr Speaker, we were also told that of this amount, they would spend US$4.5 million to inspect cocoa farms. That is not acceptable. How could we spend US$4.5 million for inspection? If we were to convert this amount into Ghana cedis, we all know how much that amount would be. That cannot be acceptable.
Mr Speaker, we were also told —
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
None

Member, hold on.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
On a point of Order.
Mr Speaker, one is on a point of law; a matter that has been settled but, unfortunately, my Hon Colleague has raised it again. I feel that I need to put it to rest once and for all.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Which matter in particular?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the issue of COCOBOD -- [Interruption.] Mr Speaker, COCOBOD borrowing on its own balance sheet and any guarantee -- [Interruption.]
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Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
Hon Ahmed Ibrahim, we do not do this; you are an Hon Leader.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Member, are you addressing me?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am addressing you, but he is intimidating me.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Please, I would want to listen.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Karpower transaction, Dr Mark
Assibey-Yeboah, a plaintiff in a matter at the Supreme Court to the effect that because the Government of Ghana guaranteed for Karpower, that transaction needed to have come to Parliament, and that it was a transaction that the Government was a party to, because we provided residual guarantee.
Mr Speaker, the matter is settled; therefore, if my Hon Colleague, Hon C. Ato Forson, raises the same issue again, he is wrong.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Member, I have heard enough. I have ruled, but you have chosen to resurrect the matter. Please read the Motion before the House; I would like you to read it out.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
Very well.
Mr Speaker, Motion numbered 6; with your leave, I read:
“That this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Long Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana (represented by the Ministry of Finance, Ghana Cocoa Board (COCO- BOD)] and the African Development Bank for an amount of up to six hundred
million United States dollars (US$600,000,000) for Cocoa Productivity Enhancement Programmes by the Ghana Cocoa Board.”
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Thank you, that is all that I wanted.
So, it is not Hon Ato Forson who is introducing that, it is the Business before the House. It is a Loan Agreement between the Government of Ghana and Africa Development Bank AfDB. Government of Ghana is represented by COCOBOD so that should settle the matter.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member, what again?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you are perfectly right, except that he tainted it with some mischief but you have corrected him.
Secondly, when he is submitting and he gets to the expenditure, is he debating it for the media or for this House? He would emphasise; he should cease from that. He has been an Hon Deputy Minister before; he should not do that.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Member, you would have the opportunity to contribute to the debate.
Please, continue.
Mr Forson 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, we should be concerned about the use of the proceeds.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
Hon Ato Forson, you have mentioned figures that I do not see in the Report; the description is not here.
Mr Forson 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Ghana COCOBOD presented to Parlia- ment a Memorandum for the US$600 million seven-year loan with the African Development Bank. The details —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:32 p.m.
So, how come your Report does not reflect that?
Mr Forson 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Committee's Report captured only the headline items. The details are in the COCOBOD Memoradum to Parliament. That was what I mentioned.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Chairman, you would have the opportunity to wind up, so just take note. [Interruption] I would give you the opportunity if there is any matter you would wish to comment on because you only presented the Committee's Report.
Yes, Hon Member you may continue.
Mr Forson 12:52 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
As I said earlier, on the preparation of cocoa farms for pollination, we would spend US$1.9 million. The Government intends to engage and train 20,000 pollinators with US$45 million. Apart from that, they would retrain 10, 000 pollinators with an amount of US$1.2 million.
Mr Speaker, my argument is, these pollinators have already been trained. Now, we would retrain them and spend about US$1.2 million. What sort of training did they receive in the first place? It is something we should be concerned about.
Mr Speaker, the most worrying --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Please hold on.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 12:52 p.m.
On a point of order.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Members, I expect that your responses to the debate will come.
So, Hon Member please conclude.
Mr Forson 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in conclusion, I would like to mention three more expenditure items that we should be worried about.
Mr Speaker, we are aware that Ghana COCOBOD, as part of the document, informed us that we would spend US$4.3 million on the biometric registration of cocoa farmers. We were also told that they would have the creation of a farmer electronic account to set up cocoa marketing system; they would spend US$3.2 million as part of data mobilisation. They would develop a transaction platform for cocoa farmers, which would also cost US$3.2 million.
They would have promotion activities for COCOBOD and they would spend US$2.5 million for advertisement. This is not the way public funds are used, and we should be guided by that. Mr Speaker, this is not the way we run the country; this is not acceptable. This kind of expenditure is not acceptable.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minister, should I give you the Floor?
Dr A. A. Osei 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I know my Hon good Friend wants to speak to the audience, but he has to be factual. Nowhere has COCOBOD said that they would spend US$5 million on chocolates. The correct amount is US$7,516,448.07 for the promotion of cocoa consumption. So, where did he get the US$5 million? [Interruption.] It is not there. US$7,516,448.07 for the promotion of cocoa consumption is not the same as buying chocolates . [Interruption.] They should ask him.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Yes, who from the Majority Side, please?
Yes, Hon Quaittoo?
Mr William Agyapong Quaittoo (NPP -- Akim Oda) 12:52 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. [Interruption.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Order! Order!
Mr Quaittoo 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I believe that Hon Ato Forson, who has been an Hon Deputy Minister for Finance and led COCOBOD to this
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Mr Samuel Nartey George 12:52 p.m.
On a point of order.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
The Hon Member made reference to the US$5 million that was mentioned, and said it was not true. I hold a copy of the Memorandum. On page 11, I beg to read --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Which Memorandum?
Mr George 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Memorandum that was presented to the Hon Members of the Committee.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Members, I have already issued the question on why the Report is brought to us separately, and then you bring other documents to speak to them. We are discussing the Report of the House. If you have something in the Report, I would admit it; otherwise, you are out of order.
Mr George 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he made reference to the Memorandum.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Member, please continue.
Mr Quaittoo 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, if we want to promote the consumption of a produce or a product, it entails a lot. COCOBOD intends doing a lot,
and that is why it has budgeted US$7,516,448.07 for the promotion of the consumption of cocoa; probably not only in Ghana, but within the sub region. We need to do a lot. How much cocoa do we supply to our school children in this country? Cocoa is now incorporated in their meals to be taken once a week. COCOBOD intends to do it three times in a week for all school children in this country. That would, of course, consume that amount of money.
Mr Speaker, this morning's issues on Peace FM, the COCOBOD Chief Executive Officer was there to explain and I heard him. When our Hon Colleagues talked about US$5 million, he said it was not so, but US$7,516,448.07. He substantiated it with evidence on why we would want to spend US$7,516,448.07 to promote the consumption of cocoa in Ghana; not chocolate. If we say chocolate, of course, people could use “chocolate” to represent every product from cocoa. So if people use chocolate, it means the same as cocoa consumption.
Mr Speaker, so the figure is US$7,516,448.07 and not US$5million. It is not for only chocolate as the Hon Member wants everybody to understand; it is for the promotion of the consumption of
cocoa generally. That amount, to me -- [Interruption.] -- It is here on page 6. It is for the promotion of the consumption of cocoa.
Mr Speaker, the last Hon Member who spoke mentioned a decline in productivity. May I school him a little on productivity? Productivity is production per unit area; it is not the same as production. Probably, he meant production and not productivity. The loan is to increase productivity.
Of course, the land size we have now is dwindling in terms of soils that are good for cocoa. Many people use it for other purposes. The total land available for cocoa production is therefore dwindling.

So if we do not work to increase productivity, a time would come when the production we get now would dwindle.

Mr Speaker, it simply means that if we have one acre and get one tonne of cocoa, this loan is to make sure that with that same one acre, we would get about three or four tonnes of cocoa on the same piece of land. That is why the loan of US$600 million looks so big in our minds. We need to do a lot to get to the
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:02 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague has been trying to mislead this House. He said that when the plant is cut, it would be paid for and the farmer would be compensated. With the amount of money there and the acreage that needs to be done, he should do the calculation and tell us how much they would pay per plant, and how many acres they have targeted to do? He would realise that the amount of money he mentioned cannot do all that he said would be done.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:02 a.m.
Hon Minority Chief Whip, if I understood him, he referred to what was done in the past. He said rehabilitation under former President Kufuor's era included cutting the trees and paying the farmers; unless I got him wrong.
Alhaji Muntaka 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, he said that it would happen now.
Mr Quaittoo 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, yes, that would happen now and that is why we have the figure US$140.2 million. They complained that it is too much, and I am telling them why it is so. It is US$140.2 million because the cutting down of the affected trees, the seedlings and the planting would be paid for, and the farmer would also
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:02 a.m.
Do you still have a question or a point of order?
Alhaji Muntaka 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is on a point of order because the things that he is saying, he should ask -- When we asked how many acres would be covered, they could not provide the details. They could not tell us how much each plant would cost when cut.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:02 a.m.
Hon Member, you are a Leader and would have the opportunity to contribute. If he had made a wrong statement, then you could question him. Otherwise, you would have the opportunity to contribute.
Hon Member, please conclude.
Mr Quaittoo 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is important for us all to know that Ghana and La Côte d'Ivoire have done well to negotiate for an increment in the price of cocoa. It is therefore, important that we prepare ourselves in lieu of the pricing we have had. So
this amount of money has carefully been calculated.
Look at the amount ascribed for warehousing capacity. Many a times, we export cocoa to the international market, and we usually get a glut on the market. So the buyers just decided to offer any price they want but if we process our cocoa beans very well and have warehousing facilities, cocoa beans could be stored for, at least, five years. If we have enhanced warehousing facilities, we could store our cocoa beans for up to about five years before releasing them onto the international market, when we see that there is no glut.
Mr Speaker, the amount of US$50 million also put there is for the expansion of warehouses — I think it is a very good thing to do. All in all, like an Hon Member has said already, every figure we have here has been thought through and calculated. Besides, when this money is approved, every activity that would come with cost would be audited. So why should we be afraid?
The last thing I would want to say is that COCOBOD has never failed in the repayment of its loans, so why is the Hon Member afraid? The US$600 million would bring foreign currency into this country, and stabilise the economy in terms of the dollar
exchange rate. We are all aware of the enormous importance of bringing these moneys into this country, and COCOBOD has never failed in the repayment of any loan.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity.
Mr Eric Opoku (NDC -- Asunafo South) 1:12 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
This loan facility was referred to the Finance Committee and the leadership of the Food, Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs Committee before the recess. When we met the first time, COCOBOD was unable to provide adequate information in respect of the facility. So the Committee asked them to go back and get us all the relevant information that would enable Committee members to understand everything that is captured in the facility.

Mr Speaker, because of that, they brought us a document titled, Preliminary Information Memoran- dum for US$600 million, Seven Year Loan Facility with the African Development Bank. This document contains the details of all the

information we have captured in this Report. When we go to page 6 of the Report it is indicated that the consumption of cocoa in this country would be promoted with the amount of US$7.5 million.

Mr Speaker, your Committee asked them for an explanation, which has been captured in this Report. [Interruption].

Mr Speaker, I am ready to tender in this document to enable you -- [Interruption.] Yes, it was given to us. They have copies, so they should not pretend. We should be honest to our people.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Member, is that what was laid in the House?
Mr Opoku 1:12 p.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. It was laid in this House. [Interruption.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Members, please, can I control the House? I am asking the Hon Member on his feet whether that document was laid in the House?
Mr Opoku 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the sitting of the Committee is a sitting of this House. This is an official document that was submitted to the Committee.
Mr Opoku 1:12 p.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
That is alright.
Could the Table Office look at it and confirm for me?
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Ato Forson, I have not asked you -- but you are bringing yourself into a line of fire. You being on your feet and speaking to a question I have referred to another Hon Member. Could you bring the document to the Table Office to verify, then we could speak to that?
Hon Member, in the meantime, could you speak to the Report? If the document is confirmed by the Table Office, then you would be allowed to speak to it.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Member, do you want to raise a matter of procedure?
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 1:12 p.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Alright, let me hear you then.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, a debate in this House is governed by rules. Part 14 of the Standing Orders deals with debates in this House. Particularly, Order 92, for instance, talks on where an Hon Member could be interrupted when he or she speaks. Order 93 talks about contents of debates in this House, and Order 93 (4) says and I beg to quote:
“The speech of a Member must have reference to the subject matter under discussion''.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
So, what is your point? I do not get it.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, respectfully, the point is simply that all matters that touch and concern the debate on the loan that ensues in this
House are matters that Hon Members of this House, pursuant to the rules of procedure in this House, are entitled to make. That is what our rules say.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Member, you appear to challenge my ruling on the matter, and I am happy to engage you. What is the subject matter of the debate?
An Hon Member 1:12 p.m.
Cocoa --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
No! The subject matter is this Report we are discussing.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am not challenging your ruling.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
So, what was the point in making this reference? Whatever information the Committee had, they were to report to the House. You have discussed whatever information you have at the Committee, and brought to us matters that you consider important for the House. Now, you want to refer to matters that are not before the House, and I asked whether those documents were laid before the House. Maybe, it was laid at the time that I did not preside, or I do not have a copy.
If it were laid before the House, you would be welcomed to discuss
it. If an information was given to you at the Committee and you considered it important for the House, you must refer to it in the Report.
Hon Member, please, continue with your debate on the Report.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this is the Report your Committee, which included my good Hon Self because I was part of that meeting, generated for the House. It is our duty to explain why we made certain points in this document. We stated in our own Report that an amount of US$7.5 million --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Member, please, hold on.
Yes, Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee?
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, firstly, the Hon Member said that the referral by the Rt Hon Speaker was to the Finance Committee and the leadership of the Committee on Food Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs. The leadership of the Committee on Food, Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs was invited to the Committee meeting because of the magnanimity of the Hon Chairman -- the referral did not go to that Committee.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with the greatest of respect, let us not turn our rules upside down. First, even if the document was not even laid --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
I asked that question, and they said it was laid. It would be verified by the Table Office shortly.
Alhaji Muntaka 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, even if it was not laid in the House but was laid at the Committee, the Hon Chairperson admitted it as a relevant document. Once the Hon Chairman of the Committee admits it at the Committee level as a relevant document, adequate reference could be made on it. This is because it is not stated in our rules that until a document is laid in this House, reference could not be made to it. It
says that it has to be related to the matter that is discussed.
Fortunately, however, the Hon Ranking Member of the Committee said that it was part of the document that was laid in this House, and the Hon Chairman of the Committee admits that he admitted that document in the Committee.
Mr Speaker, whichever way you look at it -- even if you discount that of the Hon Ranking Member of the Committee and rely on the Hon Chairman of the Committee, once he admitted it as a relevant document -- Mr Speaker, if you have the privilege to get a copy and go through it, you would realise that largely, the Report of the Committee makes reference to it.
What we should all advert our minds to is that, we could even reject the Committee's Report on the basis that with reference to the main document, they did not craft their Report very well. One cannot speak to the Report and neglect documents that were used to generate it. They are relevant documents, which were admitted at the Committee meeting, even if they claim it was not laid in the House.
Mr Speaker, I would be very happy to be educated on the part of the Standing Orders that indicates where a document must be laid in this
House before it is debated on, no matter how relevant it is. There is nowhere in the Standing Orders that says that. It is related to the matter being discussed.

Mr Speaker, so let us check from the Clerks-at-the-Table as you wanted to do and you will realise that this is part of the documents that were laid in this House.

Mr Speaker, that is why most of the time, when we are to lay documents, we keep asking if those documents to be laid are there. May be, we need to revise our rules such that we all see the documents before they are laid so that all of us know exactly what we are laying. I strongly believe that this was a relevant document that was laid and that has to be part of the debate.

After all, this is a document from COCOBOD; why are they afraid of reference being made to the document?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Hon Members, it is very frustrating when Hon Leaders who are supposed to assist the Chair to regulate the House, speak across the aisle when they are supposed to refer -- while I am here
listening to you, you are engaged in an aside with another Hon Member of the House and that is not appropriate, please.
Hon Members, the Clerks-at-the- Table have confirmed the documents that were laid and that document includes. Preliminary information, Memorandum for US$6 million -- [Uproar] --
Order! Order!
I will mention names. Order! Hon Members, that matter has concluded. I am moving on -- Yes, Hon Member, continue with the debate.
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. On page 11 of the Memorandum, they indicated that US$5 million will be used to support School Feeding Programme.
We wanted to understand what component they were talking about in respect of School Feeding Programme, and page 12 gives us the details of what will go into this School Feeding Programme support.
Mr Speaker, on page 12, it is stated that it will include cocoa products in the School Feeding Programme, the diet of prisons, inmates, the military, and so on.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Hon Member, why do you like to shout across? I am listening to you here but I am looking at page 12 of the Memorandum and I do not see the US$5 million you are talking about.
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it starts from page 11-- Promotion of domestic consumption. They provided the figures there and when you go to page 12, they give you detailed evaluation as to --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on. The controversy is, whether this Report or any other document has said US$5million will be for chocolates. I am trying to find the evidence and so I want to get along with you. As for consumption --
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Kindly hold on. Promotion of consumption is already contained in the Report.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Hon Deputy Whip, I thought you would be ensuring -- [Interruption] -- No, on the contrary, I am hearing his voice, please. The promotion of consumption at 7.5 is contained in the Report but first, Hon Ato Forson stated that US$5 million is for chocolate and you have continued that he said it is contained in this one. The controversy was whether that was part of the documents and it has been confirmed that it is part of the documents but I am looking at that specific figure which generated the controversy.
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, page
11.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Yes, kindly refer me to the specific paragraph.
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, at page 11, there is a table down there; Activity and Promotional cost in US dollars. Promotional activities -- US$2.5 million, school feeding programme -- US$5 million and then on page 12, they gave detailed
explanation on to what would go into the promotional cost and then the school feeding. That is where we have ‘inclusion of cocoa products in school feeding programme, the diet of prisons and the military'.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
So, actually, it is not a fact --
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, then -
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
One moment. It is not a fact in this Report that US$5 million has been allocated for buying chocolates, it is you -- [Interruption] -- Please the controversy was around US$5 million for buying chocolate and that was stated by Hon Ato Forson which was challenged and then you are repeating that.
Please, continue with your contribution---
Mr Opoku 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, at the Committee level, I was the one who called that person Hon Kojo Oppong-Nkrumah was there, the Hon Chairman himself was there. The
Chief Executive officer of COCOBOD explained that they were going to buy chocolates with the US$5million. They cannot pretend; that is the truth. So they are borrowing to buy chocolates and that is what they told us.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Hon Regional Minister, it is not how forceful you state it that makes it correct. What discussions you had outside is not part of the Report before us. You referred to a document -- it is not part of the document.
My direction is that, that should be expunged from the record. Please, continue the discussion.
Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
Mr Iddrisu 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. I have been following the debate on the US$600 million facility for cocoa keenly.
Mr Speaker, I have restrained myself because as you indicated, I have a moral duty to guide you to control this House. So Hon Members, on both Sides of the House, we should behave in a manner that is consistent with our Standing Orders and with our rules to assist you to maintain order in the House.
However, I have a difficulty with two of your rulings; the earlier one, I chose to remain seated which had to do -- [Interruption] --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Hon Minority Leader, I am listening to you. Please, address me.
[Interruption] --
Mr Iddrisu 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I was brought here by the people of Tamale South and not the Hon (Dr) Assibey- Yeboah.
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Mr Iddrisu 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, as I said, you have given two important rulings; one was relative to reference to a document laid before the House or subsequently laid before the Finance Committee.
Mr Speaker, you are not an Hon Member of the Finance Committee and therefore, you cannot vouch for what was admitted or not at the Committee level. However, there was a referral to the Table Office as to what was laid before this House.
As much as I had difficulty with your ruling, I restrain myself as I have said.
Mr Speaker, the Hon --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Sorry, in respect of the document, which one -- ?
Mr Iddrisu 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the reference on pages 11 and 12 that Hon Eric Opoku made and the document --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
I have ruled that the document has been confirmed by the Table Office that it was laid.
Mr Iddrisu 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes, that is what I am saying.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:22 p.m.
Where is your difficulty, I want to understand it?
Mr Iddrisu 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, no. Your initial ruling was that reference should not be made to that document unless you establish -- [Interruption.]
Mr Speaker, thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:32 p.m.
Hon Member, please continue with your contribution.
Mr Opoku 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, on page 4 of the Report it has been stated that
areas of investment include establish- ment of Stabilisation Fund to cushion the industry against unexpected declines in world price.
Mr Speaker, this is factually inaccurate because not even a dollar was allocated to the establishment of Stabilisation Fund. Indeed, the Stabilisation Fund was established in 2014 and there was money in that account when they took over. So why is it that not even a dollar is going into the Stabilisation Fund, but they are talking about establishing a Stabilisation Fund? This is inaccurate because it has been established already. Mr Speaker, they are trying to find some uses for the money but they would not use it. Mr Speaker, nobody is rising to their feet because they understand.
Mr Speaker, I would go to page 5 of the Memorandum where they have provided details of the utilisation of the US$68 million that they are committing into pollination. There is something interesting that I would want to bring to your attention. Mr Speaker, they have said that they would select and map the farms and this alone would cost almost US$2 million. After selecting and mapping the farms, they have stated that they would prepare the farms for pollination and they have allocated
another US$2 million for this preparation. Mr Speaker, are they going to number the trees? What are they going to do with the preparation? These are State resources, and as leaders of the State, we owe our people the responsibility of managing the resources prudently. Mr Speaker, what goes into preparation of the farms?
There is another interesting issue of re-training 10,000 pollinators. Mr Speaker, you would remember that we have trained 30,000 pollinators who were used last year and they are being used this year. We intend to use them in the future, but they intend to re-train them and this alone is costing US$17.8 million.
Some Hon Members 1:32 p.m.
Eiihh!!
Mr Opoku 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this is Ghana.
Mr Speaker, they are also saying that they want to invest this money to increase cocoa production and they seek to create the impression that it is only when we invest US$600 million in the sector that we could increase cocoa production. The Report states in paragraph 3.0 that in 2010/2011 under the leadership of former President Mills, this country increased cocoa production to over one million without borrowing. We applied parts
Mr Opoku 1:32 p.m.
of the syndicated facility to achieve this and even in 2016 we applied part of the syndicated facility and we were able to increase cocoa to 969,000 metric tonnes, which was the second highest production level in the history of cocoa production in this country. However, under their watch we are borrowing US$600 million and they are saying that with these investments we could increase cocoa averagely to one million tonnes. Mr Speaker, what is this?
What is more interesting is that out of the US$600 million, US$200 million would be given to cocoa processing companies in the form of loans to enable them expand their businesses, and they have indeed mentioned four of such companies. Mr Speaker, these are private companies so why can they not borrow on their balance sheets? Now, COCOBOD is collateralising cocoa to take loans and in turn give these moneys to cocoa processors as loans. Mr Speaker, are these companies even getting the cocoa to process?
Mr Speaker, they have provided some statistics in the Report and on page 7 it has been stated that 560,000 tonnes of cocoa was collateralised and the projection is 850,000 metric tonnes of cocoa. Mr Speaker, we have the Bui arrangement under which

Mr Speaker, who taught them this? Mr Speaker, yes, we agree that there should be investments in the sector and there is the need for us to increase production of cocoa to bring in more dollars to stabilise the exchange rate, but we must ensure frugality in the application of State resources.

Mr Speaker, on this note I thank you very much.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:32 p.m.
Hon Chairman of the Committee on Food Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs.
Mr Speaker, we should refer to the document that we are debating and I beg to read 1:32 p.m.
“The Long Term Loan Facility Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Ghana Represented by the Ministry of Finance Ghana Cocoa Board (COCOCBOD) and African development Bank for an amount up to six hundred million United States dollars (US$600 million) for cocoa productivity enhancement programmes by the Ghana Cocoa Board.”
Mr Speaker, the key words are “Productivity Enhancement Pro- grammes”. How do we come by enhancement and productivity? The answer is provided on page 6; hand pollination, farm irrigation, reha- bilitation et cetera.
Mr Speaker, these are the strategies that would enhance productivity and if we do not go by these then there is no way we could enhance our productivity. Secondly, after productivity the next step would be the processing of the cocoa beans.
Mr Speaker, all year round, we have been saying that cocoa beans are not being processed in Ghana, and for once, this government has thought it
wise to find money to carry out processing not just for the government but also encourage the private sector to carry out processing.
An Hon Member 1:32 p.m.
Let the private sector borrow on their own merit.
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Mr Asafu-Adjei 1:32 p.m.
Yes, they do, but we would need to support them. Mr Speaker, Government's interven- tion is paramount and if we believe that cocoa is the backbone of this country's economy then should the government sit down and let it decline as they did during their time? Mr Speaker, no. We want to move from 800,000 metric tonnes to 1.5 million metric tonnes and that is why we are going for this loan.
Mr Speaker, when the Hon Ranking Member spoke, he never said that he objected to this loan, he however supported it. Mr Speaker, he should stand up and say that he does not support this loan. So once he has supported it then it means we are bringing on board moneys that would not only enhance productivity but the income of the cocoa farmer would also increase.
There would be more money for the cocoa farmer to build houses, to take care of his children, then, the economy can also grow.
Mr Asafu-Adjei 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, chocolate is a very

Mr Speaker, I urge my Hon Friends to support this Motion to approve this facility because it would enhance cocoa productivity; the incomes of Ghanaian farmers would increase; the economy would grow and the rural farmers in Nsuta and Bodi would be able to expand their farms.

Mr Speaker, with these few words, I thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:32 p.m.
Hon Leaders, please continue. I am not adding anything to the debate. It is the same thing.
Hon Minority Leader, please, you have the Floor?
Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, let me thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion that the House approves US$600,000,000 for
cocoa productivity enhancement programme by the COCOBOD. In doing so, to appreciate that cocoa remains a major foreign exchange earner for our country, it is not wrong even if Government is candid to say that it is borrowing for fiscal purposes. This is because the cocoa sector can serve that dual role of export earning in terms of foreign exchange and improving the fiscal regime in terms of it.
Mr Speaker, our difficulty is not to support Government and cocoa farmers since Government is engaged in legitimate effort to boost cocoa production and to increase cocoa production. From the statistics that I have read, we do not want the situation where Ghana would go to the days of 1983, where cocoa production declined to about 160,000 compared to 568,000 in 1960. We need to take measures to improve cocoa production in Ghana including support to cocoa farmers.
Mr Speaker, as Hon Ato Forson, the Ranking Member, supported by Hon Eric Opoku alluded to, may I kindly refer you to page 6 of the Committee's Report. You would see a table there. As the Minority, we demand better particulars in respect of these matters even as we support this loan facility. It says “promotion of domestic processing -- US$
200,000,000.00”. We would want to know where the US$2,000,000.00 would go because it can even set up four processing factories, if we were to do a minimum of US$50,000,000.00 per factory. That would support indigenous Ghanaians in that sector. We have no difficulty with it. However, when they say they want US$200,000,000.00 to support domestic processing of cocoa, the Committee must demand who would get this as support. Is it a private entity or a public-private entity? We need to know because you can set up a factory with US$50,000,000.00.
Mr Speaker, that is why I support the Hon Ranking Member of the Committee on Food, Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs. When you draw down within six months one cannot set up these factories within six months.
Mr Speaker, I refer you to the Committee's Report. We need full details from Government on what the intendment of promotion of domestic processing is and whom it would go to and for what? How much would that person or entity contribute to value addition in the cocoa sector and what employment would that generate? We need to know.
Mr Speaker, you have already resolved the matter of promotion of
consumption. We need to know how much is going to each of Cocoa Processing Company (CPC), West African Mills Company (WAMCO) Limited, Niche Cocoa and Plot Enterprise. At least, when I was the Hon Minister for Trade and Industry, I visited Plot Enterprise in the Western Region, and so I understand. They just do not come for an envelope of US$200,000,000.00 and maybe go and disproportionally distribute it without knowing their capacity. [Interruption.] I say it is disproportional because they have not provided the details.
Mr Speaker, reference has been made to pages 11 and 12. The Hon Chairman of the Committee has to correct what came to him formally from the COCOBOD in page 6 of the Report. The very document he was contesting has US$7,516,488.08. In the Report it was, US$7,516,448.07. So he is wrong. If you do the computation, you would not get the
US$200,000,000.00. --
[Interruption.] Mr Speaker, he should accept to do it. When you were directing him, he was not listening.
To the Hon Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation, promotion of consumption is US$7.5 million. US$5 million out of that is going into the School Feeding Programme. When the programme was initiated and
Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 1:52 p.m.
supported by the Dutch Government, their thinking was that we would own it as a Government and as a people. They have read the report of the Dutch Government when it was withdrawing from the School Feeding Programme. Today, are we borrowing for purposes of the School Feeding Programme? Our Colleague, the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Food, Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs said it all.
If you read page 12 of your Report, whether you call it chocolate or cocoa drink, the paragraph includes cocoa products in the School Feeding Programme. And so it is either chocolate or cocoa. It also says “encourage cocoa products to be served by hospitality industry, the aviation sector and during sporting activities”. It is in their Report. When they say promotion, they have defined it to include the US$5 million that would go into the School Feeding Programme.
But, Mr Speaker, let me go into some other details; farmer database -- Just database for cocoa farmers, we are spending US$10.6 million. That translates to GH¢57 million. We already have the database, unless they are telling me that they do not know the number of cocoa farmers in Ghana. That is why we have the cocoa
farmers' association in Ghana. US$10.6 million to develop the database? Where in the world?
So Mr Speaker, there are more questions to be answered.

They cannot give US$57 million for the collection of data on cocoa when we already know the number of cocoa farmers, their contributions, challenges and number of farms.
Mr Speaker, may I refer you to page 7 of your Committee's Report again? It reads 1:52 p.m.
“The Committee observed that the Cocoa Swollen Shoot Virus Disease (CSSVD) is an indigenous disease plaguing cocoa farms and depriving farmers of the reward for their toil.”
Mr Speaker, this is my emphasis 1:52 p.m.
“Presently, CSSVD is said to have no known antidote.”
So those who do cocoa farming, it means no solution to it.
Mr Speaker, a whooping amount of GH¢757 million is being allocated for that purpose which translates into US$140 million.
There is no antidote. What is this money being spent on? -- [Interruption] -- I am referring to the Report. It says there is no antidote. It says trees would be cut. Trees can be cut and replaced. They want to increase cocoa production.
Mr Speaker, this is Parliament - GH¢757 million -- we even need to know. For purposes of this House, next time, we must know which farms and who is going to benefit from this?
Mr Speaker, let us not forget cocoa farmers are listening to this debate on their television sets and they expect that -- that is my question. Has Ministry of Finance and COCOBOD engaged the farmers to get their perspectives and insights on the utilisation of this amount for their purposes? We need to do that.
Mr Speaker, another provision is made here -- warehouse capacity. What is warehouse capacity? Are they going to build cocoa sheds or expand the capacity? Where? We just see an amount under warehouse capacity as US$50 million. If they want to construct warehouses, let us for instance, say that they want to do one in Suhum, one in Bekwai, one in Begoro then we know that we can follow through that US$50 million which has been taken in the name of cocoa farmers support for purposes
of warehouses. They should not come for a wholesale amount of US$50 million and say it is for warehouse capacity. What is capacity? If they want to construct warehouses, they should say so. If they want to increase their sizes, they should say so. If they want to construct new houses to support cocoa farmers for purposes of storage, they should say so. But they cannot just say US$50 million.
US$40 million. That works out to GH¢219 million. If they want to construct a new irrigation scheme, they can, with this money
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Hon Minority Leader, just a moment.
Hon Members, having regard to the state of business of the House, I direct that the House Sits outside the regular Sitting hours.
Hon Leader, you may conclude.
Mr Iddrisu 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I was on farm irrigation. I recall again that the Ministry of Trade and Industry and the Ministry of Agriculture involved in some partnership with the irrigation development Authority. I do agree that irrigation is one of the areas we should support and pump more financial resources just to enhance
Mr Matthew Nyindam (NPP -- Kpandai) 2:02 a.m.
Thank you Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion on the Floor.
Mr Speaker, just to let the Hon Minority Leader know that what he is requesting for has been provided where he read. This is because page 9 says:
“Officials of the Board however assured the Committee that drawdown arrangements have already been discussed with the lenders and that any funds not immediately required would be placed in safe interest yielding investments.”

So Mr Speaker, if he is asking the Hon Minister for Finance to come back here to take us through, I think this is enough.

Mr Speaker, I am surprised. I thought this is good news to my Hon Colleagues from the cocoa-growing industry. Unfortunately, some of our Hon Colleagues have decided to take us to a different path.

However, I think that looking at the Report closely, the Hon Ranking Member would admit that most of the cocoa farmers would be happy that today, if their crops are attacked by the swollen shoot, they are going to be cut down and the Government is prepared to pay them in the process. I do not think that farmers would not be happy with this particular plan.

Mr Speaker, secondly, looking at the pollination, we are talking about 30,000 jobs for Hon Sampson Ahi's constituency. Young men who are suffering and talking about unemployment today would be engaged under this process. I think this is good news.

Mr Speaker, I had unofficial discussion with some cocoa farmers in this House, and they tell me that they even have boreholes within their farms.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 a.m.
Hon Minority Chief Whip, we have finished. I thought that you would have been the one to argue, but you yielded to the Hon Minority Leader. We are done.
Alhaji Muntaka 2:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I just want to refer us to Standing Order 109. We are to approve an amount of US$600 million which has very scanty information. Also, we do not have the number to take that decision. If Hon Colleagues keep shouting that we have the numbers, then we may have to go for a head count.
Mr Speaker, I would suggest that we stand this down to enable us get further information on most of the figures mentioned. I would want to draw your attention to the fact that we do not have the required number to take such a decision. And an amount of US$600 million is not peanuts.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 a.m.
Hon Members, for the Motion, I only need a simple majority. I would therefore put the Question on it.
Question put and Motion agreed to.
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Alhaji Muntaka 2:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I seek to come under Standing Order 113 to call for a division because I strongly believe that we do not have the numbers to take such a decision. I also challenge your ruling that the “Ayes” had the vote. It is not accurate. I therefore call for a division under Standing Order 113.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 2:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member for Asawase has referred us to Standing Order 113, and with your leave, I read. Standing Order 113(1) says:
“When the Question has been put by Mr Speaker at the conclusion of the debate, the votes shall be taken by voices “Aye” and “No”, provided that Mr Speaker may in his discretion instead of declaring the result on the voice votes call for a headcount.”
Mr Speaker, it is your discretion to call for a headcount. [Interrup- tions] --
Alhaji Muntaka 2:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the interesting thing is that I never
specified whether it was Standing Order 113(1) or (2). I only said I refer us to Standing Order 113. The Hon Member should rather read Standing Order 113(2), which I would read with your indulgence:
“A Member may call for headcount or division if the opinion of Mr Speaker on the voice vote is challenged.”
Mr Speaker, I stated that I challenge your decision that the “Ayes” had the vote, and so I called for a headcount.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minority Chief Whip's first ground was that we did not have the numbers.
Mr Speaker, I know the Hon Muntaka as someone who respects our rules; I know him as such. My Hon Colleague, the Hon Mark Assibey-Yeboah, challenged him on the said Standing Order.
Mr Speaker, with your permission Standing Order 113 (1) reads 2:02 a.m.
“When the Question has been put by Mr Speaker at the conclusion of the debate, the votes shall be taken by voices “Aye” and “No”, provided that Mr Speaker may in his
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 a.m.
Hon Member, what should we proceed with? You did not conclude that. You only said we should proceed.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we should proceed with the Business of the House, which in this case is the Resolution. Mr Speaker, we should continue with the Business of the House, in accordance with the rules, as directed by you. There is an attempt to stampede the process. If the Hon Minority Chief Whip would want to challenge you, then he should come by a Motion. [Interruptions]
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I do not know why my Hon
Colleague on the other Side, who just spoke, has refused to apprise himself of the rules of this House.
Mr Speaker, the rules of this House first of all gives you that discretion because you are the Leader of the House. The rule says that if one is not convinced that the voice vote is distinctive, then he may call for a division. That is why Standing Order 113(1) gives you that discretion. However, that discretion is not an end in itself.
Standing Order 113(2) says that an Hon Member could also call for a division. This is the reason I have always thought that in these matters, it is important to satisfy ourselves that we are doing the right thing.

Mr Speaker, if that is so, it goes without saying that our voice vote would be louder than those on the other Side. That is the basis of the challenge to the voice vote and the call for a division so that at least, those

who are upstairs, and watching us and knowing that those of us on this Side are more than those on the other Side would not think that somehow, their voices are louder than those who are many.

Mr Speaker, that is why, for us to do the proper thing, we should call for a division so that the rules of the House would reflect the voice vote. That is the call.

Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation?
Dr A. A. Osei 2:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, for the time I have been in this House, we have worked by consensus. We stood here and listened to the venerable Hon Minority Leader say that they do not have any difficulty with the facility. -- [Interruption.]
Mr Speaker, for that reason, it is surprising that when the Hon Minority Leader has spoken, my Hon Colleague, Alhaji Inusah Fuseini says that there is a contrary opinion. Then, why do they have the Hon Minority Leader?
Mr Speaker, we all know that this is an important facility for Govern- ment, and I do not think that anybody on our Side said that our voices are louder than theirs. In opposition, automatically, your voices are louder than ours. That is very clear and it is not in dispute here.
So I am surprised that Hon Alhaji Muntaka, Hon Member for Asawase, who had cocoa roads done in his con- stituency -- [Interruption] -- Mr Speaker, I would want to appeal —
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Dr A. A. Osei 2:12 a.m.
Hon Sam George does not have cocoa in his area.
Mr Speaker, I would like to appeal to Hon Muntaka, the Hon Member for Asawase, and a member of the Ashanti Region MPs Caucus to gracefully yield to you so that we could proceed.
I thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 a.m.
Yes, Hon Agbodza? We have already crossed the closing line; if you want us to stay here, I would indulge you.
Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza 2:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, my senior Hon Colleague who just spoke referred to
Dr A. A. Osei 2:12 a.m.
No, I did not say that.
Mr Agbodza 2:12 a.m.
You said that; it is in the records.
Mr Speaker, secondly, when Hon Members get up to speak in this House, there is no rule that says that if one does not have cocoa in one's constituency, he cannot speak about cocoa. If that be the case, you would be limited to the number of things you can speak about in this House.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 a.m.
Sorry, you said I would be limited to what?
Mr Agbodza 2:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, you would be limited to the number of things that you can talk about because you do not have all the problems in Adaklu in your constituency. So I encourage my Hon Colleague to —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 a.m.
But I do not speak about the ocean. When we discuss the matters concerning the
sea, I do not join either as Hon First Deputy Speaker or as an Hon Member because I do not have any experience.
Mr Agbodza 2:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is a dangerous precedence. I do have cocoa trees in Adaklu; I have seen people plant cocoa trees in Adaklu so, I could speak about cocoa. The precedence that Hon Samuel George does not have cocoa in his constituency so, he cannot speak about cocoa is a dangerous one and my senior Hon Colleague should be guided by that.
Mr Speaker, if we are talking about the sea, you are free to talk about it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 a.m.
I do not have an experience; I could drown so I would not talk about the sea. I am not like Hon Eric Opoku who has experience in diving into --

That brings us to the end of proceedings—
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 a.m.
I have not closed yet.
The House is adjourned till tomorrow, the 6th of November, 2019 at 10.00 a.m.
ADJOURNMENT 2:12 a.m.

  • The House was adjourned at 2.18 p. m. till Wednesday, 6th November, 2019, at 10.00 a. m.