Debates of 29 Jun 2023

MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:53 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:53 a.m.
Hon
Members, we shall proceed with the
correction of Votes and Proceedings of
Tuesday, 27th June, 2023.
Page 1, page 2—
I am surprised to see that the number of
Hon Members recorded is about three
times what was in the Chamber.
[Laughter] The Table Office may
explain how. We will seek their
explanation later. How come we have
more than the number of people who
were here as very clearly evident by the
video footage?
Page 4? Yes, Hon Minority Chief
Whip?
Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza 10:53 a.m.
Mr
Speaker, based on what you just said, I would like to confirm that the Table Office captured me appropriately on page 4, item 22. I was not here on Tuesday.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:53 a.m.
Yes. The
record reflects that the Leadership desk
was empty. [Laughter] We had to
commandeer somebody from behind to
take that seat and later, he was supported
by two people. That is all there were.
Page 5…10? Hon Members, in the
absence of any corrections, the Votes and

Mr Rockson-Nelson Etse Kwami
Dafeamekpor — rose —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:53 a.m.
Yes, Hon
Member?
Mr Dafeamekpor 10:53 a.m.
Mr Speaker, just
for clarity on this matter, I see that our
numerical strength is below the
appropriate number, so I do not know
whether we can proceed to adopt this or
otherwise. I seek your guidance on this
matter.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:53 a.m.
These are
procedural matters. For those of us who
were here, we are affirming that this is
the true record of proceedings, and it is
not a matter involving this issue or
anything, so we would proceed.
Hon Members, as I have already said,
this is the true record of the proceedings
of Tuesday, 27th June, 2023. There is the
Official Report of Wednesday, March
15, 2023. Any corrections?
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Wednesday, 15th March, 2023.]
  • Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh 10:53 a.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, with respect, I am coming
    under Standing Order 53(2) for us to vary
    the order of Business and go on to item
    6, in line with the earlier directive from
    the Rt Hon Speaker, for a briefing from
    the Hon Minister for Works and
    Housing, after which we would come to
    item 5.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:53 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    First Deputy Minority Whip?
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 10:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    have no objection to what the Hon
    Majority Chief Whip is saying, except to
    add that the directive was clear. The Hon
    Minister for Works and Housing is to
    make a Statement with the attendance of
    the Hon Minister for Finance. If the Hon
    Minister for Finance is present, we must
    also be appropriately informed about
    that.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:53 a.m.
    Hon
    Majority Chief Whip, they are raising the
    issue of the presence of somebody from
    the Ministry of Finance.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 10:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    earlier related to my Hon Colleague
    about the fact that the Hon Minister was
    out of the jurisdiction and arrived this
    morning. We are expecting the Hon
    Deputy Minister, but the directive was
    that the Hon Minister for Works and
    Housing would brief the House, and then
    the Hon Minister for Finance would duly
    take notice of the concerns, so that
    together, they would deal with the
    matters.
    I am very confident that in a few
    minutes, the Hon Deputy Minister would
    be in the Chamber, so if my Hon
    Colleagues would bear with me, the Hon
    Minister for Works and Housing should
    be allowed to start the briefing while we
    wait on the arrival of the Hon Deputy
    Minister for Finance. I am confident that
    he would be in the Chamber in a few
    minutes.
    Mr A. Ibrahim 10:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    want to appear to be a litigant, but if we
    look at item 6, Statements, it reads:
    The Ministers responsible for
    Finance and Works & Housing to
    apprise the House on measures
    being taken to address flooding in
    parts of the capital city, Accra.
    If this is the directive, and that is what
    is appearing on the Order Paper, we have
    a lot of Business to do today. In the
    absence of the Hon Minister for Finance
    or his deputies, or the Hon Minister of
    State at the Ministry of Finance, we can
    go to Question time while the Hon
    Minister for Finance is on his way. Mr
    Speaker, the flooding issue and the
    directive do not fall only under the
    jurisdiction of the Minister for Works
    and Housing, and we need a collective
    effort to get it solved. So, if we can vary
    the order of Business, let us take
    Questions while we send for at least one
    of the Ministers to be in the Chamber to
    take the notes.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 10:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    there is no problem. As we have often
    done in this House, we agree to disagree,
    so I am in total agreement. We would just

    stand down the earlier variation I sought,

    and then we can go and take the

    Questions while we wait on the

    representative for the Deputy Minister

    for Finance to appear, after which we can

    proceed to the Statement. I thank you, Mr

    Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:03 a.m.
    I have
    been advised by the Table Office. I was
    not in the Chamber on the day the
    directive was given, but I have been
    advised that the directive was that the
    Hon Minister for Works and Housing
    should brief the House, but the Hon
    Minister for Finance should be present.
    This is because whatever measure would
    be taken will require money, so he will
    listen. It is not for them to do a joint
    briefing. I will go by the application
    made by the Hon Majority Chief Whip
    that, we come back to Question time, and
    then, we would return to the Statements.
    Hon Members, we move to item

    Leadership, while you are organising

    yourselves, can we go to Statements? I

    admitted a Statement on Corporate Social

    Responsibility by the Hon Majority Chief

    Whip, Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh. Hon

    Member, you may read your Statement

    now.
    STATEMENTS 11:03 a.m.

    Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh (NPP — Nsawam-Adoagyiri) 11:13 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    according to the corporate governance
    principles issued by Organisation for
    Economic Co-operation and Development
    (OECD), good Corporate Social
    Responsibility (CSR) is highly associated
    with good corporate governance; which
    indicates that organisations are measured by
    their concern towards society among other
    outputs. Since public and private
    organisations form a significant part of the
    economic structure of every nation, their
    activities, both good and bad, have bearing
    on the sustainability of the economy.
    Mr Speaker, while Ghana has seen some
    CSR activities emanating from the spread of
    industries, it appears that the impact is not
    felt as significantly as we would want. For
    a long time, pointing out the disparity in this
    expectation has not been clear in literature
    as it is now. It is true that CSR was espoused
    in the early days as being voluntary. It has
    therefore carried with it, a sense of ‘going the extra mile' in the business-society relationship. While this still holds
    relevance, I find that much emphasis has not
    been placed on the ‘responsibility' in Corporate Social Responsibility. As the
    renowned College Basketball head coach
    Patricia Summit, expressed, “Responsibility equals accountability, equals ownership…”, CSR will be incomplete if we turn down the
    invitation to invoke accountability of the
    corporate bodies for their CSR.
    Mr Speaker, when we talk about CSR in
    Ghana, as is evident in Mavis Amo-
    Mensah's literature review on CSR in Contemporary Ghana, (published in the
    International Journal of Business and
    Management Review), there is a dominance
    of foreign Multi-National Companies
    (MNCs) on matters of CSR in Ghana. She
    also adds that the motivation of these MNCs
    to actively engage in CSR can perhaps be
    attributed to their need to gain legitimacy in
    the Ghanaian business industry. For what
    better way is there to establish legitimacy of

    a brand in Ghana than to show concern for

    the needs of a given society? Unfortunately,

    the aspect of CSR that looks at what the

    company does or provides for the

    communities has been overly focused on,

    while paying little attention to how the

    company carries out its activities in a

    socially responsible manner.

    Mr Speaker, for the past few years, I have

    been vested in the need for the State to play

    a more central role in driving the CSR of

    corporate bodies here in Ghana for a few

    reasons:

    Mr Speaker, firstly, while CSR has been

    defined according to the European Com-

    mission of 2001, in terms of a voluntary

    action by corporate bodies to integrate

    social and environmental concerns in their

    business operations, the context of

    environmental issues in our world today

    demands a more committed approach from

    all actors to ensure the sustainability of our

    economies, business operations, and our

    planet.

    Mr Speaker, secondly, since the general

    understanding of CSR leans towards

    philanthropic or charitable activities, it is

    difficult to see the need in regulating

    corporate activities in relation to their

    societies. In other parts of the world like the

    European Union, the adoption of OECD

    Guidelines for Multinational Enterprises

    seeks to change this narrative.

    Mr Speaker, thirdly, since the

    communication of CSR activities is lacking

    in our Ghanaian communities, the State can

    sufficiently make up for this shortfall

    through CSR awards, CSR movements,

    CSR foundations, CSR stakeholder

    conferences and other schemes by think-

    tanks.

    Mr Speaker, Corporate Social Respon-

    sibility (CSR) legislation is generally

    relevant for several reasons:

    1. Standardisation and Accountability: CSR legislation provides a

    standardised framework that defines

    what is expected from companies in

    terms of social responsibility. This

    ensures that all companies,

    irrespective of their size or sector,

    are held accountable for their

    relative impact on society and the

    environment.

    2. Protection of Stakeholders: With CSR legislation, the rights and

    interests of stakeholders such as

    employees, consumers, local

    communities, and the environment

    are protected. This is particularly

    relevant in sectors where

    operations can have significant

    social or environmental impacts.

    3. Promotion of Sustainable Business Practices: CSR laws promote

    sustainable business practices.

    They encourage companies to

    consider the long-term implica-

    tions of their actions and to balance

    profit-making with societal and

    environmental considerations.

    4. Transparency and Trust: CSR regulations based on how they are

    crafted require companies to share

    useful information about their

    social and environmental practices.

    This transparency can help build

    trust with consumers, investors,

    and the broader public.

    5. Competitive Advantage: By requiring all businesses to adhere

    to certain CSR standards, the

    legislation can help to level the

    playing field on assessing

    organisations' CSR contributions. This can prevent companies from

    gaining a competitive advantage

    by neglecting their social

    responsibilities.

    6. Supports National and Global Goals: CSR legislation can align

    corporate activities with national

    development goals or global

    initiatives such as the United

    Nations' Sustainable Development

    Goals (SDGs). This can facilitate

    collective action towards

    addressing major societal and

    environmental challenges.

    Mr Speaker, undoubtedly, legislation

    on CSR will have significant

    implications for a country like Ghana,

    where the major industries such as

    mining, oil and gas have substantial

    impacts on local communities and the

    environment.

    7. Protects Communities and the Environment: Legislation can

    ensure that companies conduct

    their operations responsibly, mini-

    mising harm to local communities

    and the environment. In Ghana,

    where sectors such as mining and

    petroleum can have significant

    environmental impacts, legislation

    can help prevent degradation and

    protect biodiversity.

    8. Sets Clear Expectations: A legal framework establishes clear guide-

    lines and expectations for

    corporate behaviour. Companies

    not only know what, but also how

    they are expected to contribute to

    society beyond their primary

    business activities.

    9. Promotes Sustainable Develop- ment: CSR legislation can

    encourage companies to invest in

    sustainable practices, contributing

    to national goals in areas like

    education, health, and environ-

    mental conservation. This aligns

    with Ghana's commitment to the

    United Nations' Sustainable

    Development Goals.

    10. Encourages Economic Equality: CSR can help address regional

    disparities in economic develop-

    ment. Companies, particularly

    those extracting natural resources,

    can be required to invest in local

    communities, improving infra-

    structure, education, and health-

    care facilities. This direction can

    only come from legislation.

    Mr Speaker, in conclusion, legislating

    CSR can have several effects, and these

    include:

    1. Compliance Costs: Companies might incur additional costs to

    comply with CSR legislation.

    While these costs can lead to long-

    term benefits, they might be

    viewed as burdensome by some

    companies, particularly small and

    medium-sized enterprises, which

    form a great proportion of

    corporate entities in the country.

    2. Enforcement Challenges: The government would need to

    adequately monitor and enforce

    compliance, which could require

    significant resources.

    3. Potential for Unintended Con- sequences: If not well designed,

    CSR legislation could lead to

    unintended consequences. For

    example, companies might focus

    only on compliance rather than

    genuinely engaging with the spirit

    of CSR.

    Mr Speaker, overall, while CSR

    legislation holds significant potential

    benefits for Ghana, careful thought and

    consultation would be needed to design

    an effective framework that maximises

    the benefits while mitigating potential

    drawbacks.

    Mr Speaker, with the legislation of

    CSR, we stand in a better position to help

    corporations in protecting the environ-

    ment, with initiatives aimed at reducing

    their environmental footprint, product

    safety and quality. This way, we

    safeguard against the exploitation of our

    natural resources. Whether it is the

    sourcing of raw materials or siting of

    manufacturing facilities and office

    buildings, factors can be fused into the

    CSR law which will ensure that business

    corporations fund projects to restore or

    protect our biodiversity.

    Mr Speaker, a commendable instance

    is the recycling project that Voltic

    Natural Mineral Water has put in place to

    mitigate the effects of rubber and plastics

    pollution on the ocean and land.

    Mr Speaker, the point in its entirety is

    that Ghana stands a better chance at a

    better future in a more secure economy

    when we legislate Corporate Social

    Responsibility now.

    Mr Speaker, thank you for the space

    granted.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:13 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for Tema East?
    Mr Isaac Ashai Odamtten (NDC — Tema East) 11:23 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to
    thank the maker of the Statement for the
    call to take a second look at issues
    bothering CSR.
    Mr Speaker, I would have loved to
    have a copy of the Statement, but
    listening carefully to the submissions of
    the maker of the Statement, it calls
    attention to two key issues raised.
    Mr Speaker, first, looking at CSR as a
    voluntary activity of organisations and
    entities that operate and, also, trying to
    shift from it being voluntary to a
    mandatory activity of organisations,
    wherein he calls for legislation and
    Government intervention.
    Mr Speaker, I recall that not too long
    ago, this House attempted to discuss the
    issues of legislating CSR, and, indeed,
    the balance presentations for and against
    legislation were germane, and we would
    have to look at whether we are using the
    State to do what is needful in terms of

    regulating the environment of corporate

    responsibility.

    Mr Speaker, modern issues that would

    bring the matter of CSR to the fore may

    include sustainability concerns, whether

    the operations of entities within our

    jurisdiction are conscious of sustaina-

    bility in whichever sphere or area they

    operate. For instance, if we look at the

    mines, one would ask whether we are

    ensuring that the entities are responsible

    in terms of how sustainable the

    environment, in which they operate are

    left.

    Mr Speaker, the issue of the

    environment is also critical when we talk

    about CSR. If we call on organisations,

    whether manufacturing or service, to be

    responsible, we need to ensure that their

    immediate environment and resources

    are able to satisfy today and future

    generations. So, the issue of the environ-

    ment in Corporate Social Responsibility

    cannot be overemphasised.

    Mr Speaker, the third issue is

    accountability. Indeed, today, we have

    left many organisations at their own beck

    and call to choose what they call

    Corporate Social Responsibility. In the

    process, many organisations have

    pushed resources into activities that are

    not consistent with what they do. Many

    have even spent money in areas that have

    nothing to do with their operations, yet

    they call all of these Corporate Social

    Responsibility. I think that if we would

    have to legislate, we have to take — I believe Government has a critical

    responsibility in its normal operations

    and even special operations.

    Mr Speaker, recently, when

    Government found it expedient to bring

    sanitation and pollution levy, they did.

    When the Government finds it

    expedient to bring levies, they do. So, if

    we have organisations that are operating

    in sectors but are not responsible, it is up

    to Government to rise up and ensure that

    what must be done is done.

    We have used taxes to exact

    responsibilities from companies. For

    example, in most cases, the tax regimes

    do not run across board. In some cases,

    we look at the operations of particular

    sectors or industries and levy appropriate

    taxes so that we can get whatever is

    needed to give back to society. So,

    Government has a responsibility in

    ensuring that in their normal operations,

    activities that are supposed to show

    responsibility to the specific or general

    society are done by Government action.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to say that

    when we look at Corporate Social

    Responsibility, we are looking at the

    corporate relationship between

    organisations and the societies in which

    they operate, and there is the need for us

    to ensure that organisations are

    responsible, first, to the communities in

    which they operate.

    Mr Speaker, I do not want a new law,

    but Government's activity must show that they are drawing companies or

    organisations' activities to be responsible to the communities in which

    they operate. If we take the examples we

    have in Tema where waste emissions

    from key industries are having adverse

    effects on the community, we expect that

    Government, through the Environmental

    Protection Agency (EPA) or the Factory

    Inspectorate Directorate or other state

    organisations, will move in quickly to

    ensure that the operations of corporate

    organisations do not become inimical to

    the communities in which they operate.

    If there is the need for us to revisit the

    issue of legislation around CSR, then

    probably the time is now for us to take a

    call.

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:23 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for Manso-Nkwanta?
    Mr George Kwabena Obeng Takyi
    (NPP — Manso-Nkwanta): Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to
    contribute to such an important
    Statement made by the Hon Majority
    Chief Whip.
    Mr Speaker, corporate bodies live in
    societies, and they are counted as persons
    in the environment in which they
    operate. This is because corporate bodies
    are in stake because of the contemplation
    of the law. They are treated as such
    because the law makes them a legal
    person. That is why it is said that they
    exist by the contemplation of the law. It
    is, therefore, important that corporate
    bodies see themselves as part of the
    society in which they operate. Therefore,
    they should also be equally responsible
    in the development of such societies in
    which they find themselves.
    Mr Speaker, corporate bodies should
    also identify themselves with the
    externalities that they create. What are
    these externalities? They are the negative
    impacts and implications that they leave
    in societies during their operation and
    when they leave the society, and the
    aftermath of these externalities creates a
    lot of problems for the people.
    Mr Speaker, particularly, when we
    look at their environment, some
    corporate bodies, by their operations,
    create certain mess in terms of
    environmental degradation and the issue
    of chemicals, among others, that they
    create for the health and well-being of
    persons. It is, therefore, important for
    them to acknowledge such externalities
    and help the societies in which they find
    themselves to operate very well while
    complying with the customs and
    traditions of the people, to ensure that
    even with their presence, they do not
    override these customs and traditions. At
    the same time, they should comply with
    the laws of the State because if they do
    not, they would create another mess
    where some people in the society may
    contravene the very existence of the law
    that guides them, and this does not help
    society.
    Mr Speaker, therefore, it is very
    important for us as Parliament
    representing the people to articulate that
    they should help societies in their
    economic growth to improve their lives
    and economic capacity. They should
    help in the manpower development of
    the people where they operate, because
    there are equally people in there who also

    need to develop their lives and be

    capable to serve their society and country

    better.

    Mr Speaker, on social media, people

    who have been coming to this country to

    invest complain and laugh at us that we

    are condoning and conniving with them

    with regard to the issue of imperialism

    that Dr Kwame Nkrumah, our first

    President, talked about. We accept the

    fact that we, as a people, have ignored all

    these things, and they come in here, just

    see one or two influential people, give

    them something and they will not do

    what is right for our people. It is time that

    we also made sure that we do not just

    leave them to do what they want by

    giving us some minimal amount of either

    money or other things without being

    responsible for their activities. This is

    not helping our society. Therefore, it is

    very important that we task these people

    to develop our society to modern

    standards of living, and not just give one

    or two things to influential people and

    leave it as it is.

    Mr Speaker, to conclude my

    submission, I would like to say that this

    House should take steps to enact laws

    that will force this social responsibility

    issue on corporate bodies that are

    operating in our society to make sure that

    we put together some memorandum of

    understanding that will document the

    current state of affairs when they enter

    our society, to see the level of

    development in there. Before they leave,

    we should also make sure that we

    compare it with what they have added to

    our society to help our people and to

    make sure that our society is at the

    modern type of living standards, so that

    at the end of the day, if there is any

    negative impact or any difference

    between what they came to meet and

    after they have left there, per the

    memorandum of understanding, we will

    ensure that they have been able to lift our

    society to modern standards that will

    help the development of our people and

    capacitate them to also be at levels which

    will help our society to move on.

    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this

    opportunity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for South Dayi?
    Mr Rockson-Nelson Etse Kwami
    Dafeamekpor (NDC — South Dayi): Mr Speaker, I thank you for the
    opportunity to comment on the
    Statement made again by the Hon
    Majority Chief Whip.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to find out
    from this House, because about two
    years ago, he made a similar Statement.
    It was thoroughly debated by the House,
    and because of the issues that the
    Statement raised, it was adopted and
    referred to a Committee to, as it were,
    work on it and return to consider whether
    or not this House would be minded to
    pass some legislation.
    Mr Speaker, when the Report was brought, it was again debated, but it was shot down. With regard to the issues that the Hon Majority Chief Whip keeps raising, which I share in his advocacy, I think that it is important that we ask ourselves whether we should not
    regulate the regime of CSR that

    companies and state institutions engage in this country.

    Mr Speaker, there are plethora of

    articles written by international scholars regarding the move by a lot of countries towards regulating the regime of how companies socially intervene in the communities and environments that they operate in. This is because in respect of private entities, they are no longer minded to be profit-making only. They are encouraged to intervene in the

    welfare of the people and the environment that they operate in, in terms of social interventions.

    Mr Speaker, in respect of state

    institutions, they are no longer encouraged to just deliver on their mandate; they are also encouraged to intervene in terms of the social fabric of society. In all of that, we need a regime to regulate it. The Public Interest Accountability Committee (PIAC) Report that comes to this House and we interrogate and adopt is replete with projects that companies engage or develop and undertake as a way of CSR, but sometimes these projects are not even completed, yet they are referred to as CSR projects.

    Mr Speaker, I share in the drive by the

    Hon Majority Chief Whip that we need to formally regulate the environment that encourages these corporate entities to intervene in our communities socially.

    Mr Speaker, as we speak, there is a whole Committee looking into the corporate social responsibility of the

    company that has acquired the carbide company where the Bhopal industrial accident happened in India. The advocacy is that the new American company that has acquired this company in Bhopal in India ought to intervene in the lives of the people affected by the industrial accident in India, and it is a big issue in India as we speak. However, the question being asked is: under what legal regime are they doing this? Are they doing this as a “Father Christmas” or there ought to be a regulatory regime that

    would govern how they intervene in the lives of the people who were affected by

    the Bhopal accident?

    Mr Speaker, therefore, I think that as a

    people and as a House, we should listen

    to the Hon Member for Nsawam-

    Adoagyiri, Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh,

    on this matter and come out with some

    legislation to regulate what the

    companies would do.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the

    opportunity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, I do not see any other
    person on his or her feet. We will move
    on. That brings us to the end of
    Statements time.
    Yes, Hon Majority Chief Whip?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    may we now go on to the item numbered
    5 as was agreed on by Leadership, we
    will focus on the Energy Sector, starting
    from the Question numbered 586, and I
    beg to seek your leave for the Questions

    to be answered by the Hon Deputy

    Minister for Energy.
    Mr Agbodza 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the
    absence of the Hon Minister, we agree
    that our Hon Colleague, the Hon Deputy
    Minister, would provide the Answers on
    behalf of the Hon Minister, just so that
    we can keep the Business of the House
    going.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Deputy Minister, kindly take the
    appropriate seat. [Pause] We will take
    the Question numbered 586, to be asked
    by the Hon Member of Parliament for
    Kpandai, Mr Daniel Nsala Wakpal.
    [Pause] Is the Hon Member in the
    House?
    ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 11:33 a.m.

    MINISTRY OF ENERGY 11:33 a.m.

    Mr Daniel Nsala Wakpal (NDC — Kpandai) 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the
    Hon Minister for Energy when the
    following communities will be
    connected to the national grid: (i)
    Yaademakura (ii) Atefufu (iii) Kachekpe
    (iv) Adakpache (v) Duboung (vi)
    Ugando (vii) Banajado (viii) Bokodo (ix)
    Alhassankura.
    Deputy Minister for Energy (Mr
    William Owuraku Aidoo) (MP) on behalf of the Minister: Mr Speaker, the communities namely (i) Yaademakura
    (ii) Atefufu (iii) Kachekpe (iv) Adakpache (v) Duboung (vi) Ugando (vii) Banajado (viii) Bokodo and (ix) Alhassankura do not form part of any of the Ministry's ongoing electrification projects. The communities have been noted and will be considered for connection to the National Electricity Grid in subsequent phases of the electrification programme.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, do you have any follow-up questions?
    Mr Wakpal 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, there are no
    Answers provided to the Questions, so I do not know why —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, the Order Paper Addendum has been distributed. The Answers are in it. Can the Table Office kindly make sure that Hon Members get copies? —
    Mr Wakpal 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we do not
    have the Addendum, so I do not know if they could provide —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, I am just asking that they make sure Hon Members have copies.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Yes, but
    the Answer was straightforward. It says none of them is in any of their existing programmes. They will be considered in future, so if you have any follow-up questions, please ask them.
    Mr Wakpal 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, could the
    Hon Deputy Minister repeat the Answer so that I can follow up with other questions?
    Mr Aidoo 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, basically, all
    that I said in answer to the Question was
    that the communities that were named do
    not form part of any of our programmes
    currently, but they will be considered for
    subsequent electrification programmes.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Wakpal 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that
    is alright. Once they are not part of the
    current programmes, it is alright.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Very well.
    The next Question is by the Hon Member
    of Parliament for Amenfi Central, Mr
    Peter Yaw Kwakye-Ackah, that is, the
    Question numbered 957.
    Hon Member, you may ask your
    Question now.
    Mr Eric Afful 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like to stand in for Mr Kwakye-Ackah, if
    I would be permitted to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, you need to have an authority;
    you cannot just “like to”.
    Mr Afful 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have his
    authority.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Well, I
    will grant you leave you have not sought.
    Completion of Electrification Projects
    in Some Communities in Amenfi
    Central
    Mr Eric Afful on behalf of Mr Peter
    Yaw Kwakye-Ackah (NDC — Amenfi Central): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the
    Hon Minister for Energy when the
    following electrification projects in the
    following communities will be
    completed:(i) Dankwawora (ii)
    Agyedum (iii) Asasetere (iv) Ashiam (v)
    Gwirigum (vi) Kakra (vii) Fuleso.
    Mr Aidoo 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Dankwawura, Agyodum, Asasetere,
    Dwirigum, Kakra and Fuleso com-
    munities formed part of the Ministry's electrification project earmarked for
    execution by M/S Weldy Lamont &
    Associates Inc. in the Amenfi Central
    Constituency of the Western Region.
    The project originally targeted the
    connection of 1,200 communities in all
    three beneficiary regions, namely;
    Central, Western and the then Brong
    Ahafo Regions, to the National
    Electricity Grid. During the imple-
    mentation of the project, however, more
    communities were added for connection
    to the grid, which increased the number
    of targeted communities to 2,251.
    Mr Speaker, the electrification project
    was completed in May 2022, having
    connected a total of 2,131 communities
    to the national grid. Unfortunately,
    installation works in some 120
    communities, including the ones
    mentioned above, could not be
    completed as the project funds could not
    cover same. M/S Weldy Lamont has
    submitted the project completion report,
    and a reconciliation exercise is being
    undertaken to ascertain the scope of
    works outstanding in the remaining
    communities.
    Mr Speaker, following the take-over of
    the outstanding works, the Ministry will

    re-package same for completion as part

    of the on-going Self-Help Electrification

    Programme (SHEP).

    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minister, you left out Ashiam
    community.
    Mr Aidoo 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I left out
    Ashiam simply because I believe that
    Ashiam has been connected, and I was
    advised by my team to take it out.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:33 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, if you have any follow-up
    questions, please go ahead.
    Mr Afful 11:33 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Member for Amenfi Central is not here
    at the moment, but Amenfi Central is
    connected to my constituency, so I have
    full knowledge of what is happening. I
    would like to ask if the Hon Minister
    could give timelines as to when this
    project would start? This is because this
    project started in 2015/2016, and these
    things are lying fallow, without being
    attended to. So, we would like to know
    when the contractors would return to site
    to complete this project.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:43 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think I
    mentioned in the Answer to the Question that reconciliation work is ongoing, and once it is complete, the Ministry would repackage and have the project verification done. However, until the
    reconciliation is completed, naturally, there is not much I could say to the Hon Member at this stage.
    Mr Afful 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Deputy Minister is my friend, so I would not like to bombard him with so many questions, but he said something about reconciliation — since the year 2015, when will he finish the reconciliation? I do not understand it. What kind of reconciliation is that?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:43 a.m.
    Yes, Hon Deputy Minister, when will you complete the reconciliation?
    Mr Aidoo 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the
    Hon Member got it wrong. The whole project was completed in May 2022, and these things take time. We are looking at over 2000 communities, and to reconcile materials after such a huge project is not something that could be done just overnight, so I would crave the indulgence of the Hon Member to have some patience for us to do some proper work on the reconciliation, after which the 120 communities that are left would be repackaged for electrification.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:43 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, the next one is the
    Question numbered 1073, which is to be asked by the Hon Member for Suaman, Mr Joseph Betino.
    Provision of Electricity to Some Rural Communities in the Suaman Constituency
    Mr Joseph Betino (NDC —
    Suaman): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Minister for Energy the steps taken to

    ensure that the following communities also get their share of rural electrification project: (i) Asempanaye (ii) Samanga (iii) Tarlorkrom and (iv) Mensahkrom.
    Mr Aidoo 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the com-
    munities, namely; Asempanaye, Samanga,
    Tarlorkrom and Mensahkrom do not
    form part of any of the Ministry's ongoing electrification projects. The
    communities have been noted and will be
    considered for connection to the national
    grid in the subsequent phases of the
    electrification programme when funds
    are available.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:43 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, if you have any follow-up
    questions, you may go ahead.
    Very well. The next one is the Question
    numbered 1138, which is to be asked by
    the Hon Member for Lawra, Mr Bede
    Ziedeng.
    Completion of Electrification
    Programme Connecting Some Com-
    munities in the Lawra Municipality to
    the National Grid
    Mr Bede Anwataazumo Ziedeng
    (NDC — Lawra): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Minister for Energy the when the
    Ministry will complete the electrification
    programme connecting the following
    communities to the National Grid
    currently under SHEP programme in
    Lawra Municipality: (i) Dewo (ii) Batan
    (iii) Guri (iv) Tanziiri (v) Tonkotol (vi)
    Tuma (vii) Tongho-Zagkpee (viii)
    Kokori.
    Mr Aidoo 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    communities, namely; Amburi Zoxpall
    (Dewo), Batan, Tanziiri, Juma (Tuma)
    and Tongho-Zagkpee form part of the
    Ministry of Energy's ongoing SHEP-4 rural electrification projects in the Lawra
    District of the Upper West Region.
    Tanziiri community was completed
    and connected to the National Electricity
    Grid in 2022. The scope of works under
    the Tanziiri project included the
    construction of 18 High Voltage (HV)
    and 250 Low Voltage (LV) networks, a
    33kV/200kVA 3-Ph transformer and the
    connection of 98 single phase customers
    to the national grid.
    Mr Speaker, all the HV poles required
    for Amburi Zoxpall (Dewo), Batan,
    Juma (Tuma) and Tongho - Zagkpee
    communities have been supplied,
    planted and completely strung with
    conductors. A total of 910 out of 2,100
    LV poles have been supplied, planted
    and completely strung with conductors
    in these communities.
    The delays in the execution of the
    electrification project are as a result of
    shortage of some key materials or
    equipment including transformers,
    conductors, poles, et cetera. The
    Ministry is procuring these materials or
    equipment and will arrange for the
    release of same to allow for completion
    of the electrification projects.
    Mr Speaker, the communities, namely;
    Guri, Tonkotol and Kokori do not form
    part of any of the Ministry's ongoing electrification projects. The communities
    have been noted and will be considered

    for connection to the National Electricity

    Grid in subsequent phases of the

    electrification programme when funds

    become available.
    Mr Ziedeng 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Deputy Minister has indicated in his
    Answer that the Tanziiri community has
    been connected to the national electricity
    grid, and that is true. However, this
    Question was posed much earlier than
    today; it was asked in the year 2021. So,
    the Answer has come at a time when the
    work has been done, so I commend the
    Ministry for that. However, the others
    are still outstanding. We have Amburi,
    Batan, Tuma and Tongho - Zagkpee, and
    the Hon Deputy Minister has indicated in
    the Answer that they have supplied some
    of the materials. Could he tell this House
    when they intend to complete the
    exercise for the remaining communities
    of Dewo, Batan, Tuma and Tongho -
    Zagkpee? It is important that we get to
    know about their programme and what
    they intend —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:43 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, it is alright.
    Hon Deputy Minister, when to do you
    intend to complete the remaining
    project?
    Mr Aidoo 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for
    rescuing me. As I said in the Answer
    earlier, the materials are being procured,
    and as soon as they are available, we
    would send them to the communities
    concerned for completion of the works.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:43 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, you are to ask follow-up
    questions, and not to make further
    statements.
    Mr Ziedeng 11:43 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, very well.
    My next question concerns the
    communities of Guri, Tonkotol and
    Kokori. The Hon Deputy Minister
    indicated in his Answer that these
    communities are not part of the
    Ministry's programme, but they are communities in this country, and also
    deserve to be connected. I would like to
    know when the Ministry intends to put
    these other communities on its
    programme so that they also benefit from
    this national resource.
    Mr Aidoo 11:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I said, the
    communities have been noted and his
    constituents should be happy with the
    work he has done. Once they have been
    noted and captured as outstanding, we
    would do the necessary survey and as
    soon as the materials come, or we have
    enough materials, we would do them just
    like we did some at Gansari and others.
    The Hon Member should please hold
    his horses. As soon as the materials
    come, we would — Now, they have been captured and they would be connected.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:53 a.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, we would move to
    Question numbered 1595 by the Hon
    Member for Jomoro, Ms Dorcas Toffey.

    Current State and Ownership of the

    Osagyefo Power Barge at Effasu
    Ms Dorcas Toffey (NDC — Jomoro) 11:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon
    Minister for Energy what the current
    state of the Osagyefo Power Barge at
    Effasu in the Jomoro Constituency is
    especially in terms of its ownership and
    condition.
    Mr Aidoo 11:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the power
    barge project was initially under the
    management of Western Power, a
    subsidiary of the Ghana National
    Petroleum Corporation (GNPC). Res-
    ponsibility was transferred to the Volta
    River Authority in 2003. In July 2007,
    the Government of Ghana entered an
    unsolicited 20-year lease agreement with
    the company, Balkan Energy Ghana, to
    refurbish and operate the power barge,
    initially, using diesel fuel and later using
    gas to be delivered by the West African
    Gas Pipeline. Ghana sought additional
    electricity supplies from the barge to
    alleviate electricity shortages resulting
    from reduced water levels at the
    Akosombo Dam hydroelectric project.
    Mr Speaker, the Balkan Energy
    company promised to begin operations
    within 90 days. Plans were announced to
    increase the barge's generating capacity
    by 60 MW, bringing it from its current
    capacity of 125 MW up to 185 MW.
    However, the barge never operated, and
    the expansion was not completed.
    Mr Speaker, the Government of Ghana
    sued in Ghanaian court, seeking to
    nullify the contract with Balkan Energy.
    Balkan Energy blamed ProEnergy, a
    United States (U.S.) company with
    which it had contracted, for Balkan's
    inability to bring the generating station
    online as promised. Balkan Energy and
    ProEnergy sued each other in US courts,
    and the Government of Ghana later filed
    a lawsuit against ProEnergy in US court.
    Possession of the Barge
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Energy, in
    a letter dated 16th November, 2015, and
    referenced - SCR/DA144/255/01,
    directed GNPC to take over the
    ownership of the barge. However, due to
    the prolonged legal dispute, which
    prevented GNPC from working on the
    barge, no maintenance activities could be
    performed throughout the arbitration,
    leading to the deterioration from
    excessive corrosion.
    3rd Party Assessment of Barge
    Mr Speaker, in a report dated 10th June
    2019, the United States Agency for
    International Development (USAID),
    under its Integrated Resource and
    Resilience Planning Project, provided an
    analysis of the status of the Osagyefo
    Power Barge (OPB). After performing a
    technical audit on the barge, USAID, in
    its report, recommended that it was not
    commercially viable to return the OPB to
    service as the cost of refurbishment
    would likely far exceed the cost of
    purchasing a new barge.
    Process for Disposal of Barge
    Mr Speaker, GNPC received a
    proposal through the Ministry of Energy

    from Sarfo and Stephen Company, dated

    2nd March, 2021.

    Mr Speaker, GNPC subsequently

    received an Expression of Interest to

    decommission the barge through the

    Ministry of Energy from Misak Limited,

    dated 2nd March, 2022. In this letter, the

    Minister directed GNPC to engage

    Misak Company Limited to decom-

    mission the barge and informed GNPC

    that Misak proposed to give 60 per cent

    of the revenue from the sale of the scrap

    to GNPC and retain 40 per cent.

    Mr Speaker, upon receipt of these

    letters, GNPC visited the barge site,

    immediate communities, and key

    Government agencies, including the

    Municipal Chief Executive (MCE) and

    the Police, on 7th April, 2022, to ascertain

    the condition of the barge.

    Mr Speaker, from the interaction with

    the community, Chiefs, Municipal Chief

    Executive (MCE) and the Police, it was

    discovered that Misak had already

    commenced the removal of some parts of

    the barge and other metals without

    proper recourse to GNPC. The GNPC

    team, therefore, engaged the MCE and

    police and requested that further

    dismantling of parts of the barge should

    be prevented until a disposal process is

    concluded in line with Public

    Procurement Authority guidelines for the

    disposal of goods.

    Mr Speaker, GNPC subsequently wrote to the Ministry in May 2022 to inform the Ministry that immediate steps would be taken to decommission the Osagyefo Barge in accordance with

    Sections 83 and 84 of The Public Procurement Act, Act 663 as Amended (Act 914) — Disposal of Stores, Vehicles, Plant and Equipment Act.

    Mr Speaker, in line with the Public

    Procurement Authority guidelines, as mentioned above, GNPC constituted a Board of Survey to physically inspect the barge and recommend the best disposal option. On 9th February, 2023, the Board of Survey team visited the barge site and provided a status update in a report dated 28th March, 2023.

    Mr Speaker, the team observed that

    about 90 per cent of the OPB was dismantled. Through interaction with the local community, it is believed that Misak Limited carried out the dismantling of the barge without engaging GNPC to formalise an agreement as directed by the Minister for

    Energy.

    Consequently, the Ministry of Energy

    has prevailed on GNPC to:

    1. Continue with the steps as outlined in the Public Procurement Authority guidelines for the disposal of goods to establish the value of the scrap material; and

    2. Engage Misak Limited to

    formalise an agreement to share the revenue from the scrap material amongst GNPC, the Project Community, and Misak.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:53 a.m.
    All right. Hon Member, any follow-up questions?
    Ms Toffey 11:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes.
    Mr Speaker, in the Answer provided by
    the Hon Minister, he indicated that the
    team observed that, and I repeat:
    Mr Speaker, the team
    observed that about ninety
    percent (90 per cent) of the
    OPB was dismantled. Through
    interaction with the local
    community, it is believed that
    Misak Limited carried out the
    dismantling of the barge
    without engaging GNPC to
    formalise an agreement as
    directed by the Minister of
    Energy.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to ask the
    Hon Deputy Minister, the steps the
    Ministry has taken to bring these people
    or the company that did this dismantling
    to book.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:53 a.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Deputy Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 11:53 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you
    very much.
    Mr Speaker, as we speak, GNPC
    through its legal department is pursuing
    the company to come forward, sit down
    and do a reconciliation towards sharing
    of the revenue that was accrued as a
    result of the sale of the scrap material.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:53 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, any follow-up questions?
    Several Hon Members — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:53 a.m.
    Hon
    Member for Jomoro, Ms Toffey, are you
    done?
    Ms Toffey 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, again, in the
    Hon Deputy Minister's Answer, he also indicated, and I read:
    Consequently, the Ministry of
    Energy has prevailed on GNPC to:
    1. Continue with the steps as outlined in the Public Pro-
    curement Authority guidelines
    for the disposal of goods to
    establish the value of the scrap
    material; and
    2. Engage Misak Limited to
    formalise an agreement to share
    the revenue from the scrap
    material amongst GNPC, the
    Project Community, and Misak.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to ask the
    Hon Deputy Minister why I have not
    been consulted as the Hon Member of
    Parliament for the area.
    Mr Aidoo 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I can only say
    this might be an oversight. However, it is
    not too late. GNPC would be advised to
    keep the Hon Member updated. I would
    personally take that upon myself to keep
    the Hon Member updated as to what is
    going on currently.
    Mr Kobina Tahir Hammond 12:03 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I would like to ask the Hon
    Deputy Minister for Energy whether he
    is aware that the difficulty, complication

    and mess associated with this whole

    barge business is as a result of the

    Opposition Party, which in 1998,

    contracted a loan of over US$120 million

    from Japan to construct this barge at the

    time the whole world knew that the so-

    called Tano Basin had no gas to fuel the

    plant, with the consequent result that—
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, a follow-up question should be
    one at a time. So, your question should
    be asked once.
    Mr Hammond 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is
    actually the buildup to the question.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    No, Hon
    Minister for Trade and Industry, kindly
    ask your direct follow-up question.
    Mr Hammond 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    do that.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to ask the
    Hon Deputy Minister whether he knows
    that this whole mess about the barge is
    the creation of the Opposition Party.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, I would not admit the question.
    Nobody in this Chamber works for
    GNPC or other institution, so the
    question is not admitted.
    Mr Hammond 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, could I
    rephrase it?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Dr Kwabena Donkor?
    Dr Kwabena Donkor 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on
    page 6, the Hon Minister says that Misak
    Company Limited entered the site and
    substantially dismantled the barge.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to find out
    from the Hon Minister whether as the
    asset owner, they have reported this theft
    to the security agencies.
    Mr Aidoo 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, to my
    knowledge, as I stand here, I am not
    aware whether it has been reported to the
    Police, but I know that there is an
    interaction between Misak Company
    Limited and GNPC currently.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Chief Whip, do you want to ask
    a question?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    with respect, I was only drawing your
    attention, if you could indulge us so that
    our good Hon Friend, the Hon Minister
    for Trade and Industry, would be given
    the opportunity to rephrase his question.
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Hon Member in whose name the
    substantive Question stands has the
    opportunity to ask three supplementary
    questions. The Hon Cabinet Minister
    asked a supplementary question which
    was out of order, so his opportunity is
    lost. The power does not lie in the hands
    of the Hon Majority Chief Whip to even
    say that you should give him the
    opportunity again.
    Mr Speaker, I thought the Hon
    Majority Chief Whip would ask you to
    even let the Hon Deputy Minister

    consider that we move into investigation

    in matters like this. This is because a lot

    of Hon Members here have supple-

    mentary questions that they would like to

    ask the Hon Member based on this. So, if

    we would wish, then we should

    investigate this matter, but the question

    that he asked the Hon Minister whether

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon First
    Deputy Minority Whip, I will not admit
    the Leadership turning the Question time
    into a debate. The Hon Member in whose
    name the Question stands has asked her
    Question, and answers have been given.
    I did not admit the question asked by the
    Hon Minister because he was referring to
    the Minority Group. We are dealing with
    corporate bodies like GNPC and the
    others; that was the Question. I am not
    aware that this or that group has been
    involved in any of the transactions.
    Mr Hammond 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, please,
    can I rephrase the question?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, no; you have lost your chance.
    Mr John Abdulai Jinapor 12:03 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, listening to the Answer by the
    Hon Deputy Minister, my question is
    premised on two key issues that he
    himself admits in his Answer. At page 6,
    the Hon Minister, in a letter, directed
    GNPC to engage Misak Company
    Limited to decommission the barge. So,
    first of all, the Hon Minister directed
    GNPC to engage Misak Company
    Limited to decommission and even
    showed the revenue sharing.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, kindly ask your question.
    Mr J. A. Jinapor 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    laying the basis for the question.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    No, I do
    not have much time for long laid bases.
    The Answer is in the Order Paper
    Addendum and we have read it, so go
    straight to your question.
    Mr J. A. Jinapor 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    following this and looking at the
    Answer, it is obvious that Misak
    Company Limited has not followed the
    processes. However, in providing the
    way forward, the Hon Deputy Minister
    said that they would want GNPC to
    engage Misak Company Limited to share
    the revenues from the sale.
    Mr Speaker, my question is simple.
    Admitting that they did not follow due
    process and breached the Public
    Procurement Act, 2003 (Act 663), I
    would like to find out from the Hon
    Deputy Minister whether he agrees that
    it would be wrong to engage GNPC to
    share these illegal proceeds from the sale
    of these components that he himself
    admits was illegal because they did not
    follow due process.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minister, let us be clear. Is Misak
    Company Limited a public company? I
    want to be clear in order to admit the
    question —
    Very well. Since it is not a public
    company, the issue of the Public

    Procurement Act, 2003 (Act 663) does

    not apply to it.

    Hon Member for Yapei/Kusawgu,

    would you like to reframe your question?
    Mr J. A. Jinapor 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    talking of GNPC following the Public
    Procurement Act, 2003 (Act 663) in
    terms of procurement. The Answer itself
    says that GNPC was supposed to follow
    the PPA before authorising them.
    However, without authorisation, the
    company moves to site, takes
    components and sell them, which the
    Hon Minister said is illegal. So, I would
    like to find out from the Hon Deputy
    Minister that with GNPC agreeing that it
    is illegal, why would they then share the
    proceeds from an illegal sale of
    components? Would it be right or
    wrong?
    Mr Speaker, it is within that.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:03 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I do not know why you would
    like to raise controversy out of this. From
    the Answer I read, a company has done
    the wrong thing, and that company is not
    a public agency. So, the Hon Deputy
    Minister says we should engage, get
    what is due Ghana, and then share. That
    is different from what GNPC has been
    asked to do, unless I misunderstood the
    Answer.
    Hon Deputy Minister, did I
    misunderstand your Answer?
    Mr Aidoo 12:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that
    the premise of the question of the Hon
    Member is actually flawed, and based on
    that, I am not able to answer him.
    Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza 12:13 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
    With your permission, I beg to read
    paragraph 3 on page 6 of the Answer of
    the Hon Minister. It says:
    GNPC subsequently received an
    Expression of Interest to decommission
    the barge through the Ministry of
    Energy from Misak Limited, dated 2nd
    March 2022. In this letter, the Minister
    directed GNPC to engage Misak
    Company Limited to decommission the
    barge and informed GNPC that Misak
    proposed to give 60% of the revenue
    from the sale of the scrap to GNPC and
    retain 40%.
    Mr Speaker, my question is, the
    Ministry received an expression of
    interest and we do not know whether
    they published it or it was an unsolicited
    expression of interest. Without any
    explanation as to whether they went
    through the procurement process to
    select or approve Misak, the Ministry is
    directing GNPC to engage Misak.
    Would the Hon Deputy Minister agree
    that the letter from the Ministry was the
    one that caused the illegality or caused
    Misak to go ahead and decommission
    without due process? Would the Hon
    Deputy Minister agree that this process
    was illegal and the illegality was actually
    proposed by the Hon Minister and that
    the letter dated 2nd March was the
    beginning of the illegality?
    Mr Aidoo 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I really do not
    agree to what the Hon Member said.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Does the
    Majority Leadership wish to ask any
    question?
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu and Mr K. T.
    Hammond - rose -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Hon
    former Minority Leader, you are late.
    Yes?
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    prayed today, so I just got back from
    Tamale after Eid prayers.
    May I ask the Hon Deputy Minister for
    Energy whether he wants to halt this
    process for the conduct of a forensic
    investigation into the barge by an
    independent entity? For instance, noting
    that in one of his Answers on page 6,
    paragraph 3, Misak even commenced
    dismantling the barge before
    authorisation. That is illegal, and it has
    been captured, where the Hon Deputy
    Minister said that “…requested that further dismantling of part of the barge
    should be prevented …” That was the Hon Minister's directive.
    Mr Speaker, on page 7, paragraph 2,
    again the Hon Deputy Minister said,
    “Engage Misak Limited to formalise an agreement to share the revenue …” Which part of the revenue? Is it the 60 or
    40 per cent, or which part of the revenue?
    Would the Hon Minister consider
    halting the entire process and open this to
    a public advertisement for people to bid
    for it since Misak is jumping the gun?
    I thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Deputy Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I entirely
    share the comments that the Hon Senior
    Member has just alluded to. Currently,
    there is a discussion going on among the
    Ministry, GNPC, and Misak that we have
    not concluded. Hence, if the Hon
    Member wants further information, he
    might consider filing a substantive
    Question.
    Mr Hammond — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    With all
    due deference to the Hon Minister, your
    question was not admitted. Thank you
    very much Hon Minister. I did not intend
    to give you another opportunity.
    Hon Members, the next Question is in
    the name of the Hon Member for
    Sawla/Tuna/Kalba, - Question *1665, Mr Andrew Dari Chiwitey?
    Plans to Complete the Kpankpansuga
    (Gindabo) Electrification Project
    Mr Andrew Dari Chiwitey (NDC - Sawla/Tuna/Kalba) 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank
    you very much for the opportunity to ask
    the Minister for Energy whether there are
    any plans to complete the Kpankpansuga
    (Gindabo) electrification project which
    was started years ago?
    Mr Aidoo 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, The
    Kpankpansuga (Gindabo) community is
    not on the list of the Ministry's ongoing electrification projects. The community
    has been noted and will be considered for
    connection to the national electricity grid
    in subsequent phases of the elec-
    trification programme in the country.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, your follow-up question?
    Mr Chiwitey 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, would the
    Hon Deputy Minister be kind enough to
    tell us when the next phases of the
    project would begin.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Deputy Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not able
    to give a specific time of commencement
    of the project, suffice to say that, as soon
    as a new phase is embarked on, the
    Kpankpansuga community would be
    included in the list of communities to be
    electrified.
    Mr Chiwitey 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have lost
    hope in the Ministry for the fact that I -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Kindly cut
    the statement and ask your question,
    please.
    Mr Chiwitey 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I know that I have to ask the question, but the Minister gave me deadlines for Questions I asked earlier which never materialised. That is why I am saying that I have lost hope. It looks like the
    Ministry is deliberately not connecting my communities to the national grid.
    Since this Government came to power
    in 2017 up to date, they connected only a single community in my constituency to the national grid — one community since 2017 to 2023. So, I do not know what questions again to ask, but I have lost hope.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Hon Members, the Question numbered

    Very well, I will move on to the

    Question numbered *1780 —

    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu — rose

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Majority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought that just so that we are able to deal with the Questions, you may permit anybody from the Caucus or from a contiguous constituency, since these are constituency-specific, to deal with this.
    But before then, I think the Hon
    Member for Sawla/Tuna/Kalba who asked the Question run a commentary impugning the integrity of the Minister, that deliberately he has not done something. I thought that was really offensive and such a commentary should not be entertained in the House. If he has difficulty — the Hon Member should know that when responses are given, of course, ultimately, they would depend on

    the availability of money. If money is not available and it has not been done, does the Hon Member impugn the integrity of the Minister by that, to say that it was deliberately done? I think it was offensive and should not be entertained in the House and I thought you were going to grant the Hon Minister space to respond to that.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:13 p.m.
    You mean

    Mr Chiwitey, I can hear you from here.

    I regret to observe that you like that kind

    of conduct: shouting from there. You

    should not be noted for that.

    Hon Majority Leader, did you say the

    Hon Minister wants to respond to the

    comment? There was no question asked,

    so I ignored it.
    rose
    Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza 12:23 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I agree with the Hon Leader.
    Even last week, to just keep the House
    going, you directed that if Hon Members
    are not around, we could get
    authorisation for the Questions to be
    asked so that the Ministers do not have to
    come back here on another occasion to
    answer the Question. Mr Speaker, on that
    basis, if you could grant us the
    permission, other Hon Colleagues may
    ask those Questions on behalf of the Hon
    Colleagues who are not here.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Minority Chief Whip, if there is
    somebody on his, feet, I would grant that
    person permission. However, I looked
    round and there was nobody on his, feet
    who wanted to ask the Question on his
    behalf, that is why I moved on.
    Is there anybody who wants to ask the
    Question on behalf of the Hon Member
    for Bongo?
    Dr Clement Abas Apaak 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Mr
    Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Very well,
    you may proceed.
    Total Indebtedness of Some SOEs
    and Their Creditors
    Dr Clement Abas Appak on behalf of
    Mr Edward Abambire Bawa (NDC— Bongo) 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the
    Minister for Energy, the total
    indebtedness of the following Agencies:
    VRA, ECG, NEDCo, GRIDCo, TOR,
    BOST, Bui Power authority and GNPC
    and who the creditors are.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker. The total
    indebtedness of the State-Owned
    Enterprises (SOEs) namely: VRA, ECG,
    NEDCo, GRIDCo, TOR, BOST, Bui
    Power Authority and GNPC, as at
    December 2021, per the validated debt
    matrix published by Deloitte in May
    2023, is approximately US$2.4 billion.
    The creditors are mainly stakeholders,

    (SOEs, IPPs and fuel suppliers) in the

    power supply value chain.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member?
    Dr Apaak 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker. I appreciate
    the Hon Deputy Minister's response. The Hon Deputy Minister has given a bulk
    figure of US$2.4 billion, which in itself
    is an estimate. Could the Hon Deputy
    Minister segregate this according to the
    individual agencies indicated in the
    Question?
    Mr Aidoo 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that infor-
    mation is available but unfortunately, I
    do not have it presently with me. So, I
    would advise my Hon Colleague to —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, did you say that it has been

    Very well. Hon Member, it means that

    it is available in the publication, and so,

    you would find it —
    Dr Apaak 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, can I finish? The Answer says
    that “per the validated matrix published by Deloitte in May 2023, is
    approximately US$2.4 billion”. It means that Deloitte has published same in May
    2023, and it is officially available.
    Unless you are challenging that
    publication, the information is available;
    therefore, it can be sought.
    Mr John Abdulai Jinapor — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, kindly resume your seat. Dr
    Apaak is on his feet.
    Dr Apaak 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the difficulty
    is that we do not have access to this
    publication and I believe that the Hon
    Deputy Minister could have enhanced
    public debate and discourse if he had
    made this information available to the
    House. I do not think this is too much to
    ask because the Question was specific in
    asking for the total indebtedness to each
    of the agencies cited in the Question.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to indulge
    you to perhaps suggest to the Hon
    Deputy Minister to make the detailed
    information available to us in the House.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Majority Leader?
    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:23 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I thought that the Answer
    provided by the Hon Minister is that, the
    Answer that the Hon Member required
    exists in an official publication, and
    indeed if that is the case, he has no reason
    to disbelieve what the Hon Deputy
    Minister is saying. Then, it kicks in
    Order 67(1)(h) which provides that: “a Question shall not be asked the answer to
    which is readily available in official
    publications;” — “in official publica- tions”.
    Mr Speaker, for the avoidance of
    doubt, by our rules, that is Order 7:
    an official publication means any
    publication produced by or under
    the authority or with the sanction

    of any Ministry, department,

    organisation, agency, association,

    society or club;

    Unless the Hon Member is saying that

    there is no such publication.

    Mr Speaker, — [Interruption] — Let them chorus, “not true, not true!” — They should produce the evidence that

    there is no such publication. They cannot

    be chorusing from their seats that it is not

    true; they should show that there is no
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, I am not going to allow a
    debate on whether it is true or not. Hon
    Minister, can you produce a copy of such
    report to the House?
    Mr Aidoo 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker, that can
    easily be done.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    I direct
    that you produce a copy and lay it on the
    Table for the information of the House.
    Mr Aidoo 12:23 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker. I
    would do that.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Any
    further questions?
    Dr Apaak 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, once you have
    directed that the Hon Deputy Minister
    should make a copy of the said
    publication available to the House, I
    think that would be sufficient for now.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Very well.
    Let us move on to Question number
    1780, which stands in the name of the
    Hon Member for Bunkpurugu, Mr Abed-
    Nego Azumah Bandim.
    Mr Agbodza 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    grateful. When you asked the Hon
    Deputy Minister, he gladly said he would
    lay the report but I did not hear him say
    when he would lay the report; would it
    be one week, two weeks or this
    afternoon?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minister, kindly lay the report by
    a week from today, Thursday.
    Hon Member for Bunkpurugu, please
    ask your Question.
    Extension of Electricity to some
    Suburbs in Nakpanduri
    Mr Azumah Abed-Nego Bandim
    (NDC—Bunkpurugu): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Minister for Energy when
    electricity would be extended to the
    following suburbs in Nakpanduri: Kugri,
    Garijuare, Dalore, Kpemale, Amokura,
    Clinic Area, Presby School Area
    (Taanbiit), Sayeegu and New Site Area
    (Bombila).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 12:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    communities namely, Kugri, Garijuare,
    Dalore, Kpemale, Amokura, Clinic Area,
    Presby Area (Taanbiit), Sayeegu and
    New Site Area (Bombila) do not form
    part of the Ministry's ongoing projects.
    However, engineering survey has been
    carried out at the Amokura community

    as part of the Ministry's Last Mile Electrification Survey for consideration

    for inclusion in the subsequent phases of

    the electrification programme when

    funds become available. The remaining

    communities will also be considered for

    electrification when funds become

    available.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, any further questions?
    Mr Bandim 12:33 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker
    — [Interruption] — Because I wanted to ask for timelines, and if the Hon Deputy
    Minister says that it is only when funds
    are made available, then it becomes so
    difficult. Is it this budgetary year or the
    entire period of their tenure as
    Government?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minister, which are you referring
    to, this budget year or when, when you
    say, ‘when funds are available'?
    Mr Aidoo 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry is
    continually electrifying communities, so
    if he asks for his to be connected and he
    has put in an application for it to be
    connected, naturally, he has to wait for
    his turn. I crave his indulgence, once
    again, to just have patience. Just like all
    the communities that have been
    electrified, they came in, joined the
    queue, and when the time was up, they
    were electrified. So, please, he should
    convince his people that they would be
    connected as and when it gets to their
    turn and funds are available.
    Mr Bandim 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, these are
    suburbs of Nankpanduri town where
    some houses have lights and others do
    not have. In fact, those who do not have
    are just watching their neighbours enjoy
    light. Meanwhile, I am aware that
    Government is giving electricity to
    communities that do not have lights at
    all: virgin communities. How does the
    Hon Deputy Minister explain that?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Deputy Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, from the last
    statement by the Hon Member, it appears
    his concern is really not about fresh
    connection, but intensification and that
    does not reside with the Ministry. It is the
    utility that handles it, so I would advise
    the Hon Member to contact the
    distribution company in his area. I am
    sure it would be Northern Electricity
    Distribution Company (NEDCo) or
    Volta River Authority (VRA). He could
    contact them through the Ministry, if he
    wants, to intensify the areas concerned.
    At the Ministry, we are interested in
    connecting new communities and people
    who have not had lights at all.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minister, are not all those
    agencies under your Ministry? Whether
    it is the distribution agencies, are they
    not under your Ministry? If they are, you
    are the only person who can answer
    questions relating to them, are you not?
    Mr Aidoo 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes, you are
    quite right but we do not have the budget
    to do intensification. The responsibility
    of that work resides with the utilities. In

    the southern parts of Ghana, it is the

    Electricity Company of Ghana (ECG)

    that is mandated to do intensification and

    in the northern parts, it is NEDCo. So, we

    can help by forwarding his request to

    NEDCo to do their bit to connect the

    areas that he has referred to.

    Mr Haruna Iddrisu — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    No, Hon
    Member for Tamale South, this is a
    community-specific Question.
    Hon Member for Bunkpurugu, you
    have one more opportunity.
    Mr Bandim 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes, except
    to thank you for that question. I did not
    hear the Hon Deputy Minister on the —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    What the
    Hon Deputy Minister said was that it is
    not absent connectivity. As you
    explained, the community has lights; it is
    just that it is expanding and the new areas
    have to be connected. In that case, your
    best opportunity is to liaise with the
    distributing company in the area. You
    could see him in the office to get
    assistance if need be. That is my
    suggestion.
    Mr Bandim 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, they are
    actually new communities. I used the
    word “virgin” communities, so they have no lights at all.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Within
    Nankpanduri, is that not what you said?
    Yes, it is the same community but new
    areas are developing. Is that not what you
    said?
    Mr Bandim 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes, some
    are but others are not.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Very well.
    The answer is that, when money —
    Mr Bandim 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, only one.
    You realise that Amokura is that
    community that is in town and is a
    suburb of Nankpanduri but the rest stand
    on their own as virgin communities that
    have no lights.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, in that case, his answer still
    stands that when money becomes
    available, they will be reached. Very
    well.
    The last Question stands in the name of
    the Hon Member for Cape Coast South,
    Mr George Kweku Ricketts-Hagan.
    Type of Contract of Ghana's Gold- For-Oil Agreement
    Mr George Kweku Ricketts-Hagan
    (NDC — Cape Coast South): Mr Speaker, I beg to ask the Hon Minister
    for Energy, if Ghana's Gold-For-Oil Agreement is a forward contract between
    the Republic of Ghana and the
    supplier(s) of the oil; if not, what sort of
    agreement do we have in place?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Deputy Minister?
    Mr Aidoo 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, Ghana's Gold-For-Oil Contract Agreements are
    between the Bulk Oil Storage and
    Transportation Company Limited
    (BOST) and the suppliers of petroleum

    products, and are spot contracts which

    involve the purchase or sale of the

    commodity for quick delivery at the

    current or prevailing market price termed

    as the spot price.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member?
    Mr Ricketts-Hagan 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Hon Deputy Minister's Answer makes the whole Gold-For-Oil Agreement a
    very interesting one. We were supposed
    to have some advantage in having this
    agreement to be able to purchase the oil
    cheaply, but if they are doing it at a spot
    price, which is basically the prevailing
    market price, then what is the advantage?
    We go to the market and buy it as and
    when you used it —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, kindly ask your question. Is
    your question what is the advantage? Let
    him answer; if not, you cannot run a
    commentary.
    Mr Ricketts-Hagan 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    question would follow, and that is
    exactly what I am —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Kindly go
    to the question.
    Mr Ricketts-Hagan 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, my
    question is that if we are buying the oil at
    a market price, which is the spot price,
    what is the advantage in this whole
    agreement that we have done with some
    suppliers that nobody knows?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:33 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, my Hon Colleague should ask
    his question, but he goes into arguments.
    This question offends Rule 67(1) (b)
    which says:
    a Question shall not contain any
    arguments, expression of opinion,
    inferences, imputations, epithets or
    controversial, ironical or offensive
    expressions or hypothetical cases
    Mr Speaker, he started off by arguing
    his case, so if you could direct him to ask
    the question and not to argue.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minister, he says what is the
    advantage in the spot contracts?
    Mr Aidoo 12:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the whole idea
    of this Gold-For-Oil Agreement was not
    necessarily to get cheap oil price, but the
    idea was to take pressure off the foreign
    exchange, where Government needed to
    use scarce foreign exchange to procure
    petroleum products. In this case, we use
    cedis to buy gold and then use the gold
    in exchange for petroleum products. So,
    the purpose was not originally to get
    cheap prices. We buy it as and when:
    spots.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member, any more questions?
    Mr Ricketts-Hagan 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    may I know from the Hon Minister the
    prices that we have paid for all the lifts
    that we have done, which may be about
    three or four. What spot price did they
    pay for each lift?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, ask that as a substantive
    Question; it is not a follow up one.
    Hon Majority Chief Whip, if you want
    to address me, please, do not engage the
    Hon Member.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    the Hon Member has fallen foul of the
    provisions of Standing Order 69, and that
    you should rule him out.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    I have
    already ruled.
    Hon Member, kindly ask another
    question, please.
    Mr Ricketts-Hagan 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    may I then know what the spot price of
    the gold that the Ministry used in
    exchange for this oil is? This is because
    I presume that the gold was also a spot
    price.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minister, do you know the spot price of
    the gold?
    Mr Aidoo 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought we
    were talking about spot price for the
    petroleum products. When gold is
    supplied to an entity that has gold desk
    and at the same time petroleum, the
    prevailing price for gold on the day is
    what we get in exchange for the spot
    price of petroleum product on that day — [Interruption]— If the Hon Member is insisting on getting the price, standing
    here, I am not able to give him the prices;
    that resides with Bank of Ghana and
    Bulk Oil Storage and Transportation
    (BOST) Company Limited, but if he
    really insists, that information can easily
    be provided.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Hon Deputy Minister in his answer states
    that Ghana's Gold-For-Oil Contract Agreements are between the BOST - for my purposes, I would extend it as a state-
    owned enterprise - and suppliers of petroleum products and our spot
    contracts.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to find out
    from the Hon Minister whether he
    construes, as I do, this to be an economic
    transaction on behalf of the state within
    the meaning of article 181(5) of the 1992
    Constitution, which states:
    (5) This article shall, with the
    necessary modifications by
    Parliament, apply to an interna-
    tional business or economic
    transaction to which the
    Government is a party as it
    applies to a loan.
    Mr Speaker, the Government of Ghana
    is a party because BOST is a state-owned
    enterprise. The Hon Minister swore an
    oath to uphold the Constitution; may he
    respond to why we should not treat this
    as an international economic
    transaction?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I am sure he can respond to
    that.
    Deputy Majority Leader (Mr
    Alexander Kwamena Afenyo-
    Markin): Mr Speaker, with respect, the

    matter the Hon Member is raising has

    received a judicial interpretation. BOST

    is an entity owned by Government but it

    is an independent corporate entity -- yes, and in the Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah v

    Electricity Company of Ghana, Ghana

    National Petroleum Corporation and the

    Attorney-General -- maybe for the avoidance of doubt, I may remind the

    Hon Member -- the Supreme Court interpreted this matter and it said that to

    the extent that Electricity Company of

    Ghana (ECG) has its own board,

    irrespective of it giving a residual

    guarantee to support the Karpower

    transaction, it did not amount to a

    transaction under article 181(5). So,

    there is an interpretation on this matter.

    Mr Speaker, so the Hon Member

    should not attempt to lead the Hon

    Minister into a certain dungeon. There is

    already an interpretation to this matter by

    the Supreme Court in the Mark Assibey-

    Yeboah's case, so it settles it. The Hon Minister does not need to express an

    opinion on this matter because the

    Supreme Court has already settled the

    matter — [Interruption] — That is what the Supreme Court has said, and it

    happened under the National Democratic

    Congress (NDC) Government.

    Mr Speaker, in 2015, when the NDC

    Government did the Karpower

    transaction —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader, you have
    already pointed to this —
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    need to remind the Hon Member; he was
    part of the NDC Government, under Mr
    John Dramani Mahama, and he knows it.
    Supreme Court interpreted it; the
    Government did not come to Parliament.
    Why does he now want to say that this
    transaction should be within the
    contemplation of article 181(5)?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Majority Leader, this is Question
    time, and your objection is sustained.
    Are there any more questions?
    Mr A. Ibrahim 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    question has been asked, and by
    Standing Order 66(1), you are the sole
    judge for the admissibility of Questions,
    so the ball is in your court.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I have already sustained the
    objection that it is a question of law,
    which has already been pronounced
    upon, so it is not a matter for the Hon
    Minister to just express his opinion.
    Hon Members, are there any further
    questions?
    Mr A. Ibrahim 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister in answering the question said
    if the Hon Member is minded to have the
    documents, he would make them
    available. Would the Hon Minister tell us
    when the Agreements would be available
    for Hon Members? We are interested,
    and I think Mr Ricketts-Hagan is
    interested in seeing the Agreement for
    the Oil for Gold as well— [Interruption]—The Hon Minister said that when asked about the spot price and
    the Agreement. He said if the Hon

    Member is minded, he would make the

    Agreements available. We are interested;

    we want the Agreement for Gold-for-Oil

    available in this House for Hon Members
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, that question itself ought not to
    have been admitted. It is not a follow-up
    question. If an Hon Member wants
    details, he or she should ask for them
    specifically, so the Hon Minister
    provides them. He or she should not
    bring it up as a follow-up question, but
    even though the information is available
    in the public records of the agency, any
    Hon Member can apply for it. The
    Committee on Mines and Energy can
    request them to appear before them to
    provide any information.
    Are there any further questions?
    Yes, Hon Majority Leader? After
    coming to Leadership, I should not — But I will give the Hon Member for Wa
    Central the opportunity.
    Dr Abdul-Rashid Hassan Pelpuo 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to find out from
    the Hon Minister about the exchange of
    gold-oil arrangement. What is the
    situation where the spot price of gold, as
    he has mentioned, is higher than if we
    went for dollars to purchase the oil?
    Would the Ministry still go for those
    arrangements?
    Mr Aidoo 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with respect to
    my Hon Senior Colleague, this one is a
    straight mathematics. If we sell the gold
    more, it is a credit to us or we can
    purchase more of the petroleum
    products. It is not a straight forward
    swap, say 10 ounces of gold for 10
    tonnes of oil - no, it is the value that we get out of the gold which we use to
    purchase the —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Very well
    Majority Leadership?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:43 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, in drawing the Hon Member for
    Tamale South's attention to article 181(5), he elected not to read the full
    complement of the provision:
    (5) This article shall, with the
    necessary modifications by
    Parliament, apply to an international
    business or economic transaction to
    which the Government is a party as
    it applies to a loan.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is aware
    that Parliament, since 1992, has not done
    this, so why does he now lay the blame
    on the Hon Minister when, as a Hon
    former Minority Leader, Parliament, all
    these years, has not done this simple task
    and wants to lay the blame on the
    doorstep of the Hon Minister?
    Parliament should live up to its
    responsibilities. He cannot respond; this
    is constitutional.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member should
    tell me I am wrong that Parliament has
    done it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Leader, I am really wondering
    why Leadership wants to turn my
    Question time to debate, but you are not

    suggesting that because Parliament has

    not varied it, it is not an applicable law.

    It is, whether varied or not; it is if —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if
    Parliament has not done it, there is no
    law.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Leader, there is. The
    Constitution then applies as it is.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:53 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Constitution provides, with
    the greatest respect to the Chair, that
    Parliament — [Interruption] — No, I am not challenging the Speaker. I am saying

    Mr Bedzrah — rose —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:53 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, can you tell the Hon Member
    that when the Leader is on his feet, he
    cannot be on one foot?
    Mr Speaker, I was just saying that the
    Constitution provides clearly that this
    article, that is article 181, shall bear the
    necessary modification by Parliament. I
    was just drawing attention that
    Parliament has not done it, so who
    should we blame? Attention should be
    drawn that Parliament should act with
    speed on this, but in the absence of that,
    we cannot blame any Hon Minister. That
    is the point I was raising.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:53 p.m.
    I think the
    position is clear. It is this same law which
    has been interpreted and over.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 12:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    appreciated it when you drew the Hon
    Majority Leader's attention to what the requirement of article 181(5) is. I am
    particularly happy that the Hon Minister
    for Finance is sitting right behind him,
    just as the Hon Minister for Energy is.
    Considering the obligations and
    encumbrance they are creating at BOST,
    they should not come and tell this nation
    tomorrow that it must be absolved as a
    public sector debt when it is a debt which
    is being precipitated by the actions of
    BOST.
    Mr Speaker, when we say “respect the Constitution”, we mean it because — [Interruption] — Under the IMF Agreement, did they not absolve the
    debts of all the State-Owned Enterprises
    (SOEs) as Government debts? So, at
    BOST, currently, whose gold are they
    selling? They are doing so on behalf of
    the Government of Ghana. To who?
    We are saying that Parliament should
    stop sleeping, and the Hon Majority
    Leader must lead that process.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, we thank you for attending
    upon the House to answer Questions.
    You are discharged.
    Yes, Hon Majority Chief Whip?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 12:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    may we now take item number 6 as was
    earlier agreed?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, item number 6 — Statements. We have a Statement by the Hon
    Minister for Works and Housing on
    flooding in parts of the capital city,
    Accra.
    STATEMENTS 12:53 p.m.

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:13 p.m.
    Unfortunately, I do not know the
    circumstances under which this
    Statement was directed by the Rt Hon
    Speaker, so I would rather be guided by
    the Leadership as to how many Hon
    Members I should admit to comment
    after the Statement.
    Yes, Leaders?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 1:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    following the Business we have for the
    day, I recall the Hon Minority Chief
    Whip and I agreed that comments would
    be limited to Leadership. The Hon
    Minority Chief Whip is here; that was the
    agreement we had.
    Mr Speaker, so, we are guided
    accordingly. Leadership will comment
    on the Statement and we take the
    submission of the Hon Minister, yes.
    Mr Agbodza 1:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, indeed, as
    of the time we were going to Conclave,
    the population of Hon Members within
    the House was very small. So, indeed, we
    agreed that when the Hon Minister
    makes the Statement, the Hon Chairman
    and Ranking Member of the Committee
    on Works and Housing would make
    some comments, and then Leadership
    would make their comments. Indeed, I
    communicated that to my Hon Ranking
    and Deputy Ranking Members.
    Mr Speaker, the population of Hon
    Members in the House has since
    increased so, with your discretion, you
    could probably grant a bit more than two
    Hon Members from each Side to make
    comments. Maybe, two more plus
    Leadership because I do not want it to
    look like we agreed on something with
    you but have come here to disagree. So,
    we are in your hands.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Majority Chief Whip?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 1:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    think two Hon Members on each Side
    and Leadership should be all right
    because I see my Hon Good Friend, Mr
    Dafeamekpor, on his feet but we have
    other urgent matters to be dealt with. So,
    two on each Side and Leadership would
    conclude. That should be it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:13 p.m.
    Very well.
    I will take two comments on either Side,
    then Leadership would provide one each.
    Very well, I would start from the Hon
    Member for Korle Klottey.
    Dr Zanetor Agyeman-Rawlings
    (NDC — Klottey Korle): Mr Speaker, the Constituency is Klottey Korle and the
    Municipal Assembly is Klottey Korle.
    Mr Speaker, thank you very much for
    the opportunity to comment on the
    Statement made by the Hon Minister for
    Works and Housing.
    Mr Speaker, last year, the Hon
    Minister visited my Constituency and as
    part of his visit did mention to the people

    of Odawna Garages that the work for the

    desilting of the Odaw was going to start

    before the end of last year. As of this

    year, the level of silt in the Odaw

    drainage is such that now chickens and

    goats can actually walk across, which

    means that the volume of water that it

    should carry is actually, probably, more

    than halved at this point.

    Mr Speaker, following his visit to my

    Constituency, in answering Questions on

    the Floor, the Hon Minister did inform

    the House that the US$200 million that

    had been given by the World Bank had

    been realigned to COVID-19. So, it

    would be very useful if the Hon Minister

    could inform the House on how much of

    that money has been reimbursed for the

    use of the Greater Accra Resilient and

    Integrated Development (GARID)

    project, because as many as no lives were

    lost during the June floods, livelihoods

    were terribly damaged and for people

    who are living from hand to mouth, the

    destruction of their livelihoods and

    properties is almost as bad as the loss of

    lives in their communities.

    Mr Speaker, furthermore, in

    mentioning the issues of mitigation

    measures with regard to the flooding, the

    Hon Minister on his visit to my

    Constituency, yet again, was informed

    about the fact that downstream from us is

    the Agbogbloshie area and the Korle

    Lagoon, both of which have been filled

    in by persons in the area reducing the

    volume of water that can be actually

    gathered south or rather in the

    downstream to my Constituency. This

    means that as soon as the volume of

    water that exceeds a certain amount

    reaches that point, it actually flows back

    and that is why we have flooding in the

    Odawna, Adabraka Official Town, and

    Asylum Down areas.

    Mr Speaker, I was hoping that he

    would have mentioned something to do

    with the desilting downstream but we did

    not hear that either, nor did we hear parts

    of the Klottey Korle Constituency

    mentioned with regard, to some of the

    mitigation measures that are to be put in

    place.

    Mr Speaker, in addition to mentioning

    all the causes of flooding in the Accra

    area, I was hoping that the Hon Minister

    would have mentioned that in the

    Akuapem area, certain reservoirs need to

    be re-established and the housing or,

    perhaps, rezoning of areas in the

    mountains need to be looked at very

    carefully because the amount of water

    that is flowing downstream from the

    mountains, sometimes, causes flooding

    in the low lying areas even when we have

    not had any rainfall in Accra, and that is

    something that really needs to be looked

    at.

    Mr Speaker, so, in spite of the fact that

    there was no loss of life, the negative

    impact on the communities in my

    Constituency was very great and we

    found, since last year, that houses and

    other buildings that were not getting

    flooded, hitherto, are now actually being

    submerged under several feet of water

    every time it rains, which means that

    something is clearly not working.

    Mr Speaker, in addition, the Auditor-

    General's Report on the Ministry for

    Works and Housing did confirm that

    several projects had not been completed

    across the country. Would the Hon

    Minister kindly provide this House with

    an update on how far the projects that

    were supposed to have been done have

    been completed in comparison to the

    Auditor-General's Report, as well as

    those that were defective and whether

    those were repaired, and what the

    damage is to date?

    Mr Speaker, finally, —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:23 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, kindly hold on. It is our
    practice that we acknowledge basic
    schools that visit us. I see that one of
    them is leaving, so kindly let me
    acknowledge them before they leave the
    House. Today, we have two schools
    visiting us, both from the Kpone
    Katamanso Municipality. One is Sweet
    Roses of Sharon School. They are led by
    Mr Emmanuel Akrofi Ocansey.
    Then there is the Oxford International
    School led by Mr Seth Asante Gyamfi.
    We thank you for visiting Parliament,
    and we hope you learnt something.
    Hon Member, kindly conclude.
    Dr Agyeman-Rawlings 1:23 p.m.
    Thank you,
    Mr Speaker.
    In conclusion, mine is to ask the Hon
    Minister a few extra questions, which
    are: How many of the projects that had
    not been inspected have been inspected
    since then? What is the current status of
    all the projects that the Ministry was
    undertaking to actually mitigate the
    effect of flooding? What is the situation
    with regard to the US$200 million that
    the World Bank gave for the GARID
    Project, and how has the money been
    disbursed? If we can have a breakdown
    according to projects and municipal
    areas, so that we can see to what extent
    this has made a difference to the people
    of Klottey Korle, since for the last two
    years, the flooding situation has become
    a lot worse than it was before.
    Mr Speaker, finally, could we have an
    update on all projects that have been
    done, and, in comparison to the previous
    Auditor-General's Report?
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for Mpraeso?
    Mr Davis Ansah Opoku (NPP — Mpraeso) 1:23 p.m.
    Thank you very much Mr
    Speaker for the opportunity to contribute
    to the Statement ably made by the Hon
    Minister for Works and Housing.
    Mr Speaker, it seems to me that every
    year, we gather in this Chamber to talk
    about issues of flooding. We do this
    when we realise that we are in the raining
    season, and for that matter, Ghanaians
    will suffer.
    Mr Speaker, issues of flooding are
    matters that need to be discussed all year
    round. Last Session, this House passed

    the Bill for the establishment of the

    Ghana Hydrological Authority. What is

    lacking now is the needed funding for

    this Authority to operate. If we set up a

    state institution and do not provide the

    needed funding to solve issues of

    flooding in this country, then we are

    better off not establishing these

    Authorities.

    Mr Speaker, I have lived in Asylum

    Down for the greater part of my life, and

    I know the effect of flooding on the

    people that live along the big gutters and

    drains in Asylum Down. I recollect that

    anytime it rains heavily in Accra, people

    would have to move their television sets

    and sofas outside just because rain found

    its way into their rooms. This is

    worrying, and every year, we sit in this

    House, and Ghanaians talk about it. It

    looks like we are not finding solutions to

    it.

    Mr Speaker, I am happy that today, the

    Hon Minister for Finance is in the House.

    We need some commitment. The people

    living in Asylum Down, Odaw and all of

    these places cannot continue to suffer

    year in year out. We cannot come here

    and sympathise with them and virtually

    do nothing about it when the rains have

    stopped. Dredging the Odaw River

    should not be an event. We should not

    only dredge it when it is about to rain. It

    should be an all-year plan, a programme

    that would dredge it every time. That is

    why I supported the establishment of the

    Authority, but if we have established an

    Authority that lacks a well-established

    source of funding, then it becomes

    problematic.

    Mr Speaker, I am happy that the Hon

    Minister proposed that at least some

    portion of the Road Fund, the Sanitation

    Levy, and the Common Fund should be

    channelled to the Ghana Hydrological

    Authority. The Law, as passed, has some

    portions that mandates the Authority to

    move out there to seek funding. That is

    not sustainable. We need a more

    sustainable plan. One per cent of the

    Common Fund, for instance, could be

    channelled into solving issues of

    flooding in this country; we need to do

    that. We need the drains. We construct

    roads, yet for the lack of drains, two to

    three years after their construction, these

    roads deteriorate. It is something that we

    need to quickly arrest as a people.

    Mr Speaker, I support the Hon

    Minister's call for this House to consider establishing very direct sources of

    funding to the Hydrological Fund, so that

    we put a stop to the act of coming here

    every year to talk about flooding and the

    Odaw River. The people of Asylum

    Down, Adabraka, and Nima deserve

    something better. We do not need to

    come here and cry with them. We do not

    need to come here and sympathise with

    them. What they need is a solution to

    their problem. I know that once we give

    the Ghana Hydrological Authority

    money, they would be able to solve the

    problems for us.

    Mr Speaker, on that note, I would

    appeal to the Authorities, the Ministry of

    Finance, the Ministry of Works and

    Housing, and especially Government.

    Cabinet should consider establishing

    very direct sources of funds for the

    Hydrological Fund. When we do that, we

    would not be singing songs of flooding

    year in year out. With these few words, I

    support the Statement ably made by the

    Hon Minister. Thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for Ho West?
    Mr Emmanuel Kwasi Bedzrah
    (NDC — Ho West): Thank you, Mr Speaker. I also rise to add my voice to the
    Statement made by the Hon Member for
    Works and Housing. I am particularly
    happy that the Hon Minister for Finance
    is also here to listen to our cries.
    Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague, the
    Hon Member for Mpraeso, has said it all.
    Every year, we come to this House, make
    Statements to the effect that we have
    issues with our perennial flooding.
    Mr Speaker, I could just read one for
    you. If you would permit me, page 149
    of the Budget Statement for the year
    2021 ably delivered by the Hon Majority
    Leader and Leader of Government
    Business, the Hon Member of Parliament
    for Suame, the Hon Minister for
    Parliamentary Affairs as well as the
    Acting Minister for Finance at the time,
    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu, came to
    this House and in his delivery, he
    mentioned at paragraph 819:
    Furthermore, to mitigate the disaster risks associated with flooding in various parts of the country, Government continued with the implementation of the 2018 National Flood Control Pro- gramme. Current progress of works stands at 95 per cent
    completion for the desilting and excavation works while the construction works are 51 per cent complete.
    Mr Speaker, this was in the year 2021 when the Hon Majority Leader delivered the Statement to this House. Today, we are in the year 2023, and as the Hon Majority Chief Whip stated in his Statement last week, one person died unfortunately. In the year 2021, the Hon Majority Leader came to this House and made a Statement that as at the year 2021, 91 per cent of the desilting work was done, and 51 per cent of drainage work was at its completion stage. Today, we have not completed it all because we have the fine programmes and projects on documents but we do not have the funding for it.
    Mr Speaker, it is true that we have passed the Ghana Hydrological Authority Bill in this House, looking for sources of funding for that Authority.
    Today, the Hon Minister is here appealing to this House to take part of the Common Fund, Road Fund and the Sanitation Fund and put them together in that Hydrological Authority Fund, so that we can have money from there.

    Mr Speaker, one puts one's money where one's mouth is. Do we want to continue in this tangent, looking for money all over the place just for drainage programmes? What about other equally important activities that we need money for? It is true that we passed the Ghana Hydrological Authority Bill. When we

    were passing the Bill, we suggested that part of the funds allocated to the sanitation levy should be allocated for this, but it was shot down. Today, we are looking for money. Ten years ago, I was in this House when we passed the World Bank Funding for GARID. Today, we are told that the consultant has not even finished the work. If one looks at the 2023 Budget, they are now doing procurement for consultancy to do the design. How can we be doing this to ourselves? A project that was awarded 10 years ago in this House — we agreed for World Bank funding for this project, and still, we are talking about consultancy for design? At a time when this project should have been completed, we have not done even the retention ponds yet, and we want drainage in Accra to just vanish overnight? It will not happen. It takes proper planning.

    Mr Speaker, therefore, I would like to

    plead with the Hon Minister for Finance

    that we need the money for the drainage

    work. As of last year, how much was

    allocated to the Ministry of Works and

    Housing? Only 40 per cent of that was

    released. So, one goes to Blekusu and

    other places, and even the coastal

    protection has not been completed

    because money has not been released,

    and today, if one goes to Keta area, the

    whole place is flooded. So, how long can

    we continue looking at only the flooding,

    when we do not have money for even

    that flooding?

    Mr Speaker, with these few words, I

    would like to plead with the Hon

    Minister for Finance. Please, let us put

    money where our mouths belong. Let us

    look for all the money and hand it over

    to the Hon Minister for Works and

    Housing to finish our drainage projects

    so that people would stop dying. One life

    that is lost affects all of us economically.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Isaac Kwame Asiamah (NPP — Atwima-Mponua) 1:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank
    you for the golden opportunity to add my
    voice to the call by the Hon Minister for
    Works and Housing.
    Mr Speaker, I think that flooding
    should be taken seriously in this country.
    The control of flooding is something that
    we must urgently address. Flooding
    leads to loss of lives, properties,
    infrastructure, and everything. So, we
    need to be careful and take control over
    flooding.
    Mr Speaker, flooding in this country
    dates back to the late 1950s. I went
    through the research and got about 25
    flooding events in this country. So, this
    matter should not be politicised. It is a
    matter that affects everybody. In 1968,
    for example, this country experienced
    one of its worst flooding events. We lost
    so many lives in this country. The year
    2015 could also be described as one of
    the worst situations. On 3rd June 2015,
    we saw what happened here in Accra.
    About 154 lives were lost in this country.
    Mr Speaker, the concern by Hon
    Members here is that almost every year,
    we seem to lament the situation. That is
    the concern. We summon Hon Ministers
    every year. Hon Members of Parliament
    make Statements and ask Questions

    about flooding in this country. We

    should read the research by our friends in

    academia on flooding. Articles have

    been written about flooding in this

    country, and that is the more reason, as a

    Parliament, we need to pay much more

    critical attention to this situation. This is

    not to be politicised because we have

    serious issues of flooding.

    Mr Speaker, I found out that the World

    Bank did a calculation on the cost of the

    flood in 2015 to this country, and

    US$114 million was lost through that

    flooding. That is 2015 alone. The World

    Bank estimates that if we do not address

    the issue of flooding in the next 50 years,

    it is going to cost this country over

    US$3.1 billion. So, it is a matter that we

    should address critically. Floods lead to

    loss of property. Farmlands are

    destroyed. Bridges collapse. The road

    network is affected as a result of

    flooding. So, I am happy, today, that we

    have the Hon Minister for Finance here.

    Mr Speaker, often, when we are

    prioritising areas, flooding should be

    considered. This is because last year, as

    my Hon Brother did indicate, the Hon

    Minister for Works and Housing is here

    —I see he is suffering. Mr Atta Akyea says he also suffered in the area when he

    was there — That Hon young man is suffering. Last year, for example, he was

    given only 18 per cent of his release. So,

    how can he work? So, I am happy that

    the Hon Minister for Finance has been

    summoned here on this matter. Let us

    address this issue critically because

    flooding costs so much to the country.

    So, we need to address it.

    Mr Speaker, as I did indicate, it

    happened — I have tabulated events. On 5th May, 2010, Central Accra - Ofankor got flooded. On 10th June, 2010, the

    death toll was about 35. These people

    were killed in that incident. On 14th

    October, 2010, floods displaced 1,000

    people. On 18th October, 2010, floods

    submerged 55 communities in Central

    Gonja and Buipe. These are documented.

    We are living with floods. On 2nd

    November, 2010, there were floods in

    Afram Plains. On 24th February, 2011,

    there were heavy rains in Accra. So, we

    are living with this situation. It has been

    with us all these years. As I said, it dates

    back to the late 1950s. So, what have we

    done as a country? Is it about

    lamentations every year? This is my

    eighteenth year here. Almost every year,

    Hon Members of Parliament read

    Statements, and Questions are asked. So,

    what are we doing? That is why I said

    that this issue should never be

    politicised. It is a major issue that

    confronts this country. We must address

    it holistically because of its cost to the

    nation.

    Mr Speaker, I would end by saying that

    we need an inter-sectorial approach. The

    Ministry of Finance should be critical in

    this area. The Ministries of Works and

    Housing, Local Government, Environment

    — they should all come together. If possible, Cabinet should get on board.

    There should be an inter-sectorial

    committee to address this issue once and

    for all because it is hurting the economy

    and everybody. We are being killed

    because of flooding. How?

    Mr Speaker, the other issue is about

    discipline. We need to be disciplined as

    a country. Building in waterways and

    flood plains is indiscipline, and it is

    costing us. One would know that this

    piece of land is in a flood-prone area, but

    would still go ahead and buy it and

    hurriedly build on it, obstructing the flow

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:33 p.m.
    Without a
    building permit.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 1:33 p.m.
    Without permit,
    obstructing the free flow of water. Water,
    as they say, would always find its way to
    penetrate, no matter what one does. One
    can never stop water from flowing. So,
    through the penetration, one would be
    affected, and that is the more reason we
    should do well to ensure that quality
    drains are constructed — [Interruption] — the Hon Deputy Majority Leader is — when I mentioned penetration, maybe he
    is confused about penetration, but water
    does penetrate. Yes, water will definitely
    penetrate because we can never stop the

    Mr Speaker, therefore, as I said, we

    should always make sure that water finds

    its way smoothly. We should not

    obstruct the flow of water. When we do

    that, we are causing damage. So, road

    construction should take note of that.

    Mr Speaker, another issue I would like

    to address is about the —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, you are not making another
    Statement. So, please bring your
    contribution to a conclusion.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 1:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I
    did indicate, it has huge cost to the
    nation, infrastructure-wise, energy-wise,
    telecommunication-wise, road-wise,
    farmlands are destroyed — these are all effects of flooding. So, we should take
    note and address this issue holistically
    and forever. The ball is in the court of the
    Hon Minister for Finance. He should
    please finance the Ministry of Works and
    Housing to have the funds to work.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:33 p.m.
    Leadership?
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim (NDC — Banda) 1:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the
    opportunity. It was for a very good
    reason that this referral and invitation
    were made. We thank you for ensuring
    that the Hon Minister for Finance and his
    deputy are present in the House.
    Mr Speaker, if you listen carefully to
    the maker of the Statement, I must
    commend the Hon Minister for Works
    and Housing for being factual to himself.
    He said that in his own constituency,
    Bantama, five lives were lost, so it is not
    just a figment of somebody's imagination that people are experiencing
    floods. In Bantama, the constituency of
    the Hon Minister for Works and
    Housing, five lives were lost. The Hon
    Minister said that the desilting is about
    96 per cent completed. The performance

    of the Ministry could be nice on paper,

    but on the grounds in his own

    constituency, five lives were lost.

    Mr Speaker, I would also like to go

    further by calling on the Hon Minister for

    Finance. The Hon Minister for Works

    and Housing is calling for dedicated

    funding. If what we have already created

    is not being sent, and the Hon Minister

    for Works and Housing says we should

    go on and create other funds — Mr Speaker, as I speak to you, today is 29th

    June, 2023. The Hon Minister for Works

    and Housing said he is collaborating with

    Local Governments and the Ministry of

    Local Government, Decentralisation and

    Rural Development. What could the

    Local Governments do? The second

    quarter of the year ends today, and by

    Monday, we would enter the third

    quarter. The District Assembly Common

    Fund (DACF) for the last quarter of the

    year 2022 for the Local Governments has

    not been given to them. Perhaps, if it had

    been given to them by the Ministry of

    Finance, they could have had their own

    way of domesticating their own desilting

    in Bantama and saved the five lives that

    were lost. Therefore, it is not enough to

    say that we should create dedicated

    funding.

    Mr Speaker, if the Hon Minister for

    Finance listened to the Hon Chairman of

    the Committee on Works and Housing

    very well, he said that the ball was in the

    court of the Hon Minister. This is

    because we may have all the nice things

    but we should not overlook or think that

    desilting is not something to do away

    with. If we do not do it, flooding would

    occur.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister for

    Works and Housing is also saying that

    we should make sure that we give his

    Ministry a portion of the Road Fund. He

    should ask the Chairman of the Road

    Fund. The Chairman has nothing and the

    Hon Minister is saying that he needs a

    portion. What would a portion of zero

    do? The Road Fund too has not been

    released. An Hon Member also said that

    we should have a disaster emergency

    response, but that is why National

    Disaster Management Organisation

    (NADMO) was created. The

    Organisation is entitled to a portion of

    the DACF, and that has also not been

    released. So, there are dedicated funds.

    We have the DACF, Road Fund and

    NADMO funds which have all not been

    released. Even the Sanitation Levy that

    was created in this House has not been

    released. Therefore, it is not enough to

    say that we should create a fund, and that

    is why the presence of the Hon Minister

    for Finance is very important. Did we not

    know that we were moving from the dry

    season to the wet season? We have

    incurred a lot of cost in buying the best

    weather forecasting machine, so we are

    aware that the rains are going to be

    beyond average. The Hon Minister for

    Finance is aware, yet, we were not

    prepared to make sure that we allocate

    money to the Ministry of Works and

    Housing, the Ministry of the Interior for

    National Disaster Management Organi-

    sation (NADMO), the Ministry of Local

    Government, Decentralisation and Rural

    Development for the District Assembly

    Common Fund (DACF). Our com-

    munities are being flooded, so if out of

    275 constituencies, even the

    constituency of the Hon Minister for

    Works and Housing is experiencing

    floods, we can imagine what would

    happen in other areas.

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister for

    Finance would bring his mid-year budget

    review to the House. People are already

    accusing us. The Hon Member for

    Mpraeso, Mr Davis Opoku Ansah, said

    that the DACF has not been released, and

    we keep on making Statements upon

    Statements. We would not make any

    Statements here. Before the Hon

    Minister for Finance brings a new budget

    statement, mid-year budget or a

    reviewed budget, he should make sure

    that the DACF that was approved to him

    in the year 2022 for the year 2023 is

    given to the District Assemblies; the last

    quarter of 2022 is given to them. They

    must be up and doing. We should make

    sure that at least the funds for the first

    quarter of the year 2023 is also released.

    Mr Speaker, we cannot always be

    creating funds. When they brought the

    National Sanitation Levy to the House,

    they prevailed upon us to pass it and we

    did, but it becomes a problem when it

    comes to releasing the funds. We must

    make a fair assessment of our

    performance in all the policies and taxes

    that we approve in this House. Therefore,

    before the Hon Minister for Finance

    comes to the House with the mid-year

    budget review next month, we would

    like to see his performance, and I would

    call on the Rt Hon Speaker to give him

    the opportunity after the Majority Bench

    has spoken to give this House an

    assurance. We said he must be in

    attendance, and in attendance, the Hon

    Minister for Works and Housing has

    given the Government policy and

    preparedness, but he does not have

    access to the money. We may want to see

    how we are going to walk the talk. This

    is not the first Statement on flood. The

    Hon Member for Mpraeso, Mr Davis

    Opoku Ansah, was right. We keep on

    making Statements, but as for this, we

    would like to be proud that when the Rt

    Hon Speaker referred the Statement on

    flooding and invited the two Hon

    Ministers and they came, the inputs that

    were made by the Hon Members of the

    House were taken into consideration. We

    are only in June, and if there are floods

    in June, then by October, everywhere

    would be flooded.

    Mr Speaker, without belabouring the

    point, I think that the Hon Minister for

    Finance is aware that as for the rains,

    they would come, but humanly, we must

    do what we have to do. Alhaji A.B.A

    Fuseini, said that “if they are washing your back, you must also wash your

    front”. Therefore, the Ministry of Finance must wash our front by releasing

    the DACF, GETFund, NHIS, NADMO,

    Sanitation Levy funds; at least portions

    of them. Schools must embark on

    sanitation activities. Let us close the

    docket on 2022, and walk the talk on

    2023. If by now, we have not released

    funds for the last quarter of the year

    2022, we can see the difficulty that the

    Hon Majority Chief Whip would face

    when the Hon Minister for Finance

    comes with the mid-year budget review.

    I would not like to be a prophet of doom,

    but having been there for four years on

    the Majority Bench —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, return to the Statement, please.
    Mr A. Ibrahim 1:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in
    returning to the Statement, the return
    must be followed with the release. I
    thank you very much. I know that you are
    an action man, and you would like us to
    walk the talk. With these few comments,
    I thank you for the opportunity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:43 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Majority Chief Whip?
    Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh (NPP — Nsawam-Adoagyiri) 1:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    would like to place on record that when
    our Hon Colleague, the Hon Minority
    Chief Whip —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, can I have some order at the
    back bench of the Majority?
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    when our Hon Colleague came under
    Standing Order 72, we on this Side
    showed total solidarity because of the
    importance of the subject matter. I think
    that we have spoken and lamented
    enough, and thankfully, the Exchequer,
    the Hon Minister for Finance himself is
    here. I am not sure the relevance and the
    import of our submissions are lost on
    him, and Mr Ahmed Ibrahim would bear
    me out that anytime he and I have
    reached out to the Hon Minister, he had
    dutifully performed, especially on the
    DACF arrears. I would only like to say
    that while we are lamenting about the
    release of funds which is reasonable and
    justifying, we as duty bearers and Hon
    Members of Parliament must also
    support in the crusade of building our
    buffer systems in our country. The Hon
    Majority Chief Whip, Mr Kwame
    Governs Agbodza, as an architect knows
    that for instance, if we are concretising
    all our city areas — significant areas are being concretised — there are effects to it because water seepage becomes a
    challenge. If the vegetation cover which
    serves as a buffer, is being destroyed, it
    comes in its wake with all the
    disadvantages. So, we should also pay
    particular attention to these things.
    Mr Speaker, our attitude towards the
    way we build — Some of our people build in waterways and that is where I
    think, I could not have agreed more with
    the Hon Minister when he says — and I think the Hon Deputy Minority Whip,
    Mr Ahmed Ibrahim, did not get it. The
    Hon Member took it out of context when
    the Hon Minister said that he would
    collaborate with the Local Government
    outfit. The way we build is wrong. We
    build on waterways and all these
    contribute to flooding — That we cannot pretend about. Yes, the point about
    funding is right and the Hon Deputy
    Minority Whip is justified. However, let
    us also realise that there would never be
    enough funds. However, I agree with the
    point that what is due, especially with the
    statutory fund payments, must be
    dispensed. For that, we would implore
    the Hon Minister for Finance that it is
    about life — For us to save lives and properties; and for us to put these matters
    to rest or probably minimise it, we
    should be seen to be doing incremental
    releases. Releases should come

    incrementally. We should not sit for the

    arrears to become huge and then we go

    and scratch the surface.

    Mr Speaker, it is not for nothing that

    the framers of the law said that the

    releases should be done within some

    time frame. For me, that is the thrust of

    the suggestion. We would want to

    implore the Exchequer, the Hon Minister

    for Finance, to pay more attention to the

    flooding needs. Again, there should be

    more collaboration among the Hon

    Sector Minister, Mr Asenso-Boakye; the

    Minister for Finance, Mr Ofori-Atta; and

    the Local Government Ministry. This is

    because our city authorities are also

    contributing somehow. So, let all hands

    be on deck. Hon Members of Parliament

    should also speak.

    Mr Speaker, if people are disposing

    debris anyhow into water courses and

    waterways — The last time, a lot of plastic waste was harvested from the

    ocean. Why? It is also because of the

    mode and the means by which we

    dispose our waste. So, we should pay

    attention to these things.

    Mr Speaker, elsewhere, one could see

    how waste is being separated. The

    biodegradable waste and the ones that

    cannot degrade but would take a long

    time are separated. Conscious effort is

    made to separate them and also to

    facilitate their disposal. A lot of

    biodegradable waste could be converted

    into compost to support agricultural

    purposes.

    Mr Speaker, so, we can go on and on,

    but I would only emphasise that we want to see incremental releases to the

    statutory fund for us to reverse this trend. I also, quickly, want to concede that all of us should come to terms with the fact that there cannot be enough funds. It cannot be. Even in America, there is flooding — [Interruption] — Do not misunderstand me. No, mensƐe hwee yƐ. Even in America, where they have very developed structures, there is flooding. The point I am emphasising is that we can never have enough funds. So, we, as a people, should also work on our attitudes. This attitude also contributes to compounding the problem. That is where we have not paid much attention and the call is all on funding alone. If we release all the funds yet our attitudes would not change, it would also be a problem.

    Mr Speaker, so, with these words, we would like to thank the Hon Minister, and I would like to hope that Leadership would follow closely as we have been doing. We would relate appropriately with the blessing of the Leader of Government Business and we would follow up to ensure that the releases are duly done.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the space granted.

    Several Hon Members — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Sorry?
    Mr Governs Kwame Agbodza (NDC — Adaklu) 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, just a brief comment.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Hon Member, do you want to withdraw from the agreement you reached with me?
    Mr Agbodza 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with your
    indulgence.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    [Laughter] —
    Mr Agbodza 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not
    demanding it, but only pleading.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Agbodza 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like to thank our Hon Colleague, the Hon
    Minister for Works and Housing, for his
    timeous appearance in the House since
    the Rt Hon Speaker made the directive
    for him and the Hon Minister for Finance
    to appear. I would like to thank the Hon
    Minister for Finance as well for being
    here. I think this is what Parliament
    wants, that when we summon Hon
    Ministers they appear before the House
    to talk to us.
    Mr Speaker, the write-up from the Hon
    Minister actually laid out all the
    challenges we have as a nation and I
    agree with the Chairman of the
    Committee that none of these issues are
    new to us. They have been around for
    some time but it appears that the efforts
    we have been making as a country to
    make significant amendment to the
    challenges are not yielding the result. I
    also agree with the Hon Majority Chief
    Whip that sometimes it is not merely the
    non-availability of money.
    Mr Speaker, the problems are not
    natural disasters; we are creating them.
    Majority of the times, we create them.
    Do we want to say that we do not want
    rains but we want to have food? We do
    not want rain but we want water? That is
    not the way God created the world. There
    should be rain but the rain should not
    become a disaster. We should be happy
    it is raining. Indeed, farmers are happy
    when it rains. It is only those of us who
    get flooded that do not like the rain
    simply because we have totally
    neglected the spatial planning.
    Mr Speaker, I hope you are aware that
    the Hon Minster for Works and Housing,
    is a specialist — A professional in the building environment. He is a spatial
    planner. So, he understands what the
    issues are. However, whose job is it to
    ensure that when I am building, I
    conform to all the necessary
    requirements and no matter how
    tempting it is, if there is a waterway or
    receptacle that receives excess water in a
    community, someone does not just go
    and build there because he or she also
    wants to live in that area? In fact, maybe,
    we need to be more serious about some
    of these things. Otherwise, the Hon
    Minister for Finance could release every
    money but if, tomorrow morning, we all
    neglect the regulations around building
    in our country, he would give us the
    money, we can actually go and desilt all
    the gutters but because we have gone to
    block more channels, the flooding would
    still come.
    Mr Speaker, I agree that maybe the
    Local Government Ministry should be
    up and doing. This is because the
    enforcement of the regulations has
    nothing to do with lack of money. The
    Local Government Ministry and the
    District Assemblies receive quite a
    considerable amount of money from all

    of us. We would like to see them

    enforcing some of these regulations — enforcement of building regulations.

    Mr Speaker, enforcement of building

    regulations should not be difficult.

    Elsewhere, one cannot even plant or

    remove a tree on their street without

    authorisation from the Local Assembly.

    If one does it, he or she has offended the

    law and would be punished. So, once the

    District Assemblies take this up and

    work with it, I am sure, it would reduce

    the challenge as well.

    Mr Speaker, the way we dispose of our

    solid waste is also a major concern. Even

    in this city, one would see very

    responsible people who wear tie in the

    morning drink bottled water or a sachet

    of water and they would roll down their

    glass and throw the empty bottle and

    other things out of their vehicles unto the

    motorway and everywhere else. One

    would wonder, how are such people able

    to wear their tie and forget that they are

    not supposed to throw litter out of the

    windows of their cars unto the street?

    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister for

    Finance cannot solve that. That has to

    deal with attitudinal change that we have

    to deal with. So, while we are

    encouraging him to spend more, we also

    have to correct our own behaviours.

    Mr Speaker, I agree that when we

    passed the law that mandate Ghanaians

    to pay sanitation levy, we hoped that we

    would see some change in how that fund

    deals with certain things. In fact, as we

    speak, maybe in the mid-year review of

    the budget to be presented by the Hon

    Minister for Finance, he must be able to

    update us as to how much we, as a

    country, have been able to collect so far

    and what those funds have been applied

    to. It is very important so that Ghanaians

    know that they are paying taxes that go

    to address issues that are of concern to

    them. So, maybe the Hon Minister for

    Finance, in his mid-year review should

    give us an update on that.

    As for asking for portions of the Road

    Fund and other things to be taken and put

    in that fund, from where I sit, as the Hon

    Ranking Member of the Committee on

    Roads and Transport, I do not see the

    Road Fund as healthy enough —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Leader, hold on.
    Hon Members, having regard to the
    state of Business of the House, I direct
    that the House Sits outside the regular
    Sitting hours.
    Hon Member, you may continue.
    Mr Agbodza 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    think that the Road Fund is healthy
    enough to even part away with even
    GH₵1.00 for any other purpose. They need more than they receive currently to
    address even the issues on our roads.
    However, I think that Government
    could prioritise and fund our sanitation
    and desilting of our gutters and other
    things from other sources if we so wish.

    Mr Speaker, so, I agree that the Hon

    Minister should — I know that he is always here and wants to listen to us. The

    non-release of some funds from the

    DACF last year and parts of this year has

    also affected activities at the district

    assemblies. Indeed, many assemblies go

    to work and do nothing because there is

    not much fund, and it affects even we

    Hon Members of Parliament. We are in

    the rainy season and a few schools have

    lost two or three roofing sheets, among

    other things, so we should be able to

    intervene quickly.

    Mr Speaker, we are not instructing the

    Hon Minister for Finance, but we hope

    that he would be compassionate once

    again and see what he could do to make

    some few releases to the DACF,

    specifically to be sent to the assemblies

    so that they could also have some

    resources to address some of the

    problems at their level while we look at

    funding the bigger issues.

    Mr Speaker, I would like to take the

    opportunity to once again thank our Hon

    Colleague, the Hon Minister for Works

    and Housing, for his timeous appearance

    in the House and also thank the Hon

    Minister for Finance for accompanying

    him as the Rt Hon Speaker directed. We

    are very grateful for this response, and

    we think that this would be the template

    going forward.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:13 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I have some comments. First, I
    would like to add my voice to that of my
    Hon Colleagues who have spoken ahead
    of me to express our appreciation to the
    Hon Minister for this rapid response; he
    has really come to Parliament on time to
    respond to a dire need and a request from
    this House.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to state that
    some Hon Colleagues related to some
    percentages that I gave in 2021 in respect
    of the accomplishment in the area of
    desilting. Desilting, if left in situ, would
    certainly depreciate in percentages. So,
    we cannot refer to 2021 figures as if they
    are sacrosanct figures. Certainly, if it is
    not continued, the percentage would
    decline. So, I am surprised that one of
    our Hon Colleagues related to that as if
    that figure is cast in stone.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister has
    indeed related to the substantive issues
    and he hit the nail right on the head when
    he admitted that the reasons we have
    these perennial flooding relate to the
    filling up of traditional runoff collection
    points or receptacles. What used to be the
    traditional receptacles are all being filled
    up and people are building on these
    lands. What do we expect when water
    has nowhere to go? It would certainly
    spread out and flood the built-up areas.
    Mr Speaker, he has again related to
    filling up of lagoons and wetlands, and
    the building on drainage channels and
    waterways, thereby impeding the smooth
    flow of runoff. We know all these things,
    yet as Ghanaians, we do not speak to
    ourselves.
    Mr Speaker, we dump solid waste in
    drains, and there is a clear deficit in the
    enforcement of our planning laws. Even
    when we construct drains, we leave the
    shoulders unpaved. What do we expect?

    Runoffs would certainly carry the top

    soil and fill up the drains that we have

    constructed easily. Sometimes, when we

    even desilt, we dump the silt on the

    shoulders of the drains. So, the least

    downpour takes them back into these

    drains.

    Mr Speaker, yes, we admit that we are

    dredging regularly, but as the Hon

    Minister said, that one remains to the

    availability of funds. We also admit that

    we do not have sufficient drainage

    infrastructure. The unstructured land use

    — Today, I had a discussion with the Hon Minister — People are building at the mountainous area around Atomic in

    a very unstructured way, exposing the

    soil. With the least downpour, the top

    soil rushes down. By not providing tiers

    in the construction, I am afraid that pretty

    soon, this nation would witness a

    disaster, and there could be massive

    landslides and rockfalls in one of those

    areas. We saw what happened and we

    had to close down the Peduase Lodge:

    rockfall.

    Mr Speaker, we should be very careful

    with what we are doing. People are

    building anywhere and anyhow, and with

    a scant regard to land-use policies and

    programmes.

    Mr Speaker, we should also know that

    apart from all these, the flatness of the

    topography of Accra is something else.

    In all that we are talking about, the bigger

    problem is the gradient of Accra

    generally. We cannot continue to desilt

    to lower the level of the ground to be

    lower than the sea level. There would be

    a push back from the sea. So, when

    people say that we should engage in

    continuous siltation and so on and so

    forth, sometimes, I tell myself that they

    do not know what they talk about.

    Mr Speaker, we need a serious re-

    engineering of Accra. Some cities have

    done it anyway, so it is doable, except

    that we must recognise it comes at a very

    high cost. Generally, about 80 per cent of

    Amsterdam is below sea level. They

    have managed to do it. How did they do

    it? We need to engage our coastal and

    marine engineers and so on to see how

    we could solve this problem.

    Mr Speaker, it does not just lie with the

    construction of drains in Accra or

    desilting. There is much more to it,

    which is why when we get to

    approaching Korle-Bu, there is a

    standstill at the lagoon end. Water cannot

    enter because it is at the same level. So,

    there is that pushback, and when there is

    flood, it is worse.

    Mr Speaker, so, I would suggest to the

    Hon Minister that they really need to put

    a team together to see how to overcome

    this because we are really tinkering with

    the problem. The major thing is how to

    re-engineer the entirety of Accra to

    ensure that we achieve some minimum

    gradient which then would allow the

    flow of run-off into the sea. Otherwise,

    what we are doing, yes, is some attempt,

    and we must commend the Ministry for

    what it has been doing all these years — However, I say to us that the greater

    problem is really the topography of

    Accra. How do we deal with it?

    Mr Speaker, while appreciating the

    effort of the Hon Minister by responding

    to us very timeously, I would like

    suggest that he engages the relevant

    professionals in the field to proffer the

    necessary advice as to the way forward.

    Otherwise, we may be throwing money

    into the drain and the outcome may not

    be as you wish to see. You have a

    herculean task and I really sympathise

    with you that you want to do your best,

    but please engage the relevant

    professionals and engineers and let us

    see how to move forward with this. This

    is because it is not something that we can

    overcome in a year, it is not. Let us not

    keep throwing good money away.

    Mr Speaker, I thank you very much.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, if you ask me, in sum,
    we have two challenges: enforcement of
    our existing rules; that is human activity,
    our failure to enforce the rules. Then
    waste disposal, which is also a human
    activity. Our major indiscipline as a
    people across all boards, building at
    areas which we are not supposed to build
    is human activity and our own
    indiscipline. So, a lot of the answers lie
    with us as a people. Our own level of
    indiscipline is now going out of the roof.
    In fact, in my own constituency, as we
    speak now, there is a major river, a part
    of which is being filled now. The MCE,
    Police and everybody go there, the
    people stop work, they leave and they
    continue. That is the level of indiscipline
    and outright disrespect for the rules in
    this country. Anything happens now and
    quickly they turn to the government,
    police and MCE to ask why they did not
    do this or that when they know that they
    ought not to have done that in the first
    place.
    I remember the immediate past
    Minister for Works and Housing, Mr
    Samuel Atta Akyea, used to say very
    often when he answered questions here
    that move out of harm's way. You go and put up a house right in a flooding area
    and then you sit there, when floods take
    your things, then you come back and
    complain. When you see the flood
    coming, move out. Do not sit there,
    expose yourself to the danger and then
    call on somebody else to help. I hope that
    we would learn our lessons.
    The other part is Accra generally, at
    certain levels, we are below the sea level.
    It makes it difficult to manage but it is
    money. Now, we are all asking the
    Minister for Finance to provide money
    but we also all know that we are not
    providing sufficient resources into the
    public funds. So, it all comes back to us.
    We can do more for ourselves by
    refraining from doing the things that the
    law says we should not do and also by
    paying more into the public kitty so there
    would be more available.
    On that note, unless the Hon Minister
    wishes to say something more, I would
    bring this discussion to a close and thank
    you. If you want to say something more,
    I will give you the opportunity.
    Mr Asenso-Boakye 2:13 p.m.
    Thank you very
    much, Mr Speaker. My Statement has
    been extensively discussed and I do not
    have anything useful to add except to
    thank you and Hon Members, for the
    support and concern.
    It is obvious that flooding is a serious
    developmental issue that we all need to
    pay attention to. It is about drainage
    construction and requires a lot of money
    and I bear witness to the bashing of the
    Hon Minister for Finance that everybody
    is asking for money from the Ministry.
    What is also true is that under his
    leadership as Hon Minister for Finance
    in the first four years of the Akufo-Addo
    Administration, he committed GH₵450 million of Government funds to fight
    flooding in this country and I must put on
    record that this is unprecedented and no
    other Hon Minister for Finance had done
    a better job on that.
    Mr Speaker, what is also true is that we
    need more resources to embark on flood
    control. As far as drainage is concerned,
    the little money that we get, we are not
    able to construct the entire length of the
    drain and it is such that if we are not able
    to construct the entire length of the drain,
    we are not able to make impact. So, we
    would continue to engage with the
    Ministry of Finance for more funds so
    that we can construct the entire length of
    the drain for a particular area so that we
    can make impact. It is also true that
    human activities are hampering the work
    that we are doing and this has been
    widely discussed here.
    When at a point in our country, we
    decided to go on a tangent of
    decentralisation, I do not think we realise
    the enormity of the responsibility that we
    are placing in the hands of the District
    Assembly officials. Everything depends
    on them and they are supposed to
    approve permits. First of all, they are
    supposed to make sure that where one is
    supposed to build, they have
    development permits and even the
    building one is supposed to build, at
    every stage of the process, they have to
    give permits. I have managed
    construction works in America before,
    and at every point of the construction
    process, the city authorities would have
    to permit one to go to the next stage of
    the construction process.
    Mr Speaker, I am happy that today, the
    Leadership, Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-
    Bonsu and Mr Kwame Governs
    Agbodza who are built-environment
    professionals and understand the issues
    — It is my hope that all that we have discussed here, the Ghanaian is also
    listening so that we would be
    responsible, especially in the disposal of
    solid waste and also stop building on
    waterways. By so doing, they would
    complement the efforts of Government
    in ensuring a safer and stronger built
    environment for all.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, that brings us to the end
    of this Statement as directed by the Rt
    Hon Speaker.
    I have to acknowledge the presence of
    the Kings and Queens Forum led by Togbe Goba Tenge Sedo. I am told the

    kings and queens are in the House to provide support for Parliament.

    We thank you for attending upon the

    House. You are welcome.

    Hon Majority Leader, what is next?

    Yes, Hon Majority Chief Whip.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, may we now go on to Order Paper Addendum 3. At the Commencement of Public Business, the Ghana Accreditation Service Bill, 2023 to be taken.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minority Leadership, the application is to proceed with public Business.
    Mr Agbodza 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we discussed that at Conclave. I am not sure how far we can go, but definitely, we can start.
    The Hon Minister for Trade and
    Industry is finally here this week and we need to help him do his Business. Last week, I said that he was not around, but this week he is around so we can do some Business.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:23 p.m.
    Hon Members, one moment please.
    [Pause].
    Hon Members, I will suspend
    Sitting for five minutes. Sitting is accordingly suspended for five minutes.
    2.24 p.m. - Sitting suspended.
    2.29 p.m. - Sitting resumed.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:23 p.m.
    Very well.
    Hon Members, let us move to the Order
    Paper Addendum 3 — Ghana Accreditation Service Bill, 2023, at the

    Item numbered (i)

    BILLS — CONSIDERATION
    STAGE 2:23 p.m.

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:23 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Members, the proposed amendment is
    for the consideration of the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    would like to know why the Chairman is
    proposing a deletion of clause 1,
    subclause (1), paragraph (f). I thought
    the construct there provides for
    Executive Instruments, which really is
    not the preserve of the Hon Minister; it is
    rather a Legislative Instrument.
    However, if we are deleting the entirety
    of it, what is the import of what he is
    doing?
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, at the
    meeting of the Committee, we thought
    that it was probably going to open up the
    law to, let me borrow the word, some

    form of abuse if we allow any

    prescription of any other body by the

    Hon Minister with the Legislative

    Instrument going along. So, we rather

    wanted Parliament to have the

    opportunity to, as it were, come up with

    acceptance or otherwise of any further

    prescriptions for that matter.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minority Chief Whip?
    Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza 2:33 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, first of all, I agree with the Hon
    Majority Leader. Indeed, clause 1(1)(f)
    ought to be there because, in the first
    place, it is an auxiliary clause that is
    useful. If the Hon Chairman wanted to
    change the Executive Instrument (E. I.)
    to Legislative Instrument (L. I.) because
    the E. I. is under the Presidency or the
    Executive, then maybe we could amend
    that to be — This is because in his explanation, he said so that Parliament
    will have control. Yes, even if they
    wanted to pass an L. I., they still have to
    come to Parliament, so I think that we
    could change the “Executive Instrument” to “Legislative Instrument”, and leave it in there, if the Hon Chairman would like
    to consider that.
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think I
    accept his position.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    So, amend
    your proposal. Instead of deleting the
    whole subclause (f), are you proposing
    that we should rather delete “Executive” and insert “Legislative”? Is that right?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    am really struggling because I am just
    reading the Bill for the first time. But if
    the Hon Chairman agrees with my
    proposal, then I would suggest to him
    that since we have a place for
    regulations, and that is captured in the
    section 55, that one could then go to
    section 55 — [Interruption] — But that is what the Hon Chairman should have
    told me, but he did not tell me that. He
    said he was deleting, and that is why I
    was struggling to go through. If he agrees
    that we delete it, then it would find
    expression in section 55.
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is
    what I tried explaining initially, except
    that I did not have the opportunity to
    refer to this particular provision he has
    brought up. Otherwise, I would say that
    the reason we decided to delete was for
    the fact that in the law itself, we have
    made provision for further promulgation
    of any new bodies and so on to, as it
    were, the accreditation body.
    Mr Speaker, if he understands me from
    this point on, then we can delete clause
    1(1)(f) as it is.
    Mr Hammond 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, let us
    look at it again. The purpose of clause
    1(1)(f) appears to be slightly different
    from the functions under the section 55
    that the Hon Majority Leader talked
    about. What it says at clause 1(1)(f)
    specifically is that this law, if the Bill is
    passed, would apply to all the itemised
    institutions. Then at clause 1(1)(f), we
    say that plus any other body, in addition
    to what we have listed up here, which the
    Hon Minister, and we have agreed that

    we would bring by L. I., it will apply too.

    When we go to the section 55, it is then

    — [Interruption] — No, well, he sees the point I am making and he says I am right.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Well, I
    agree. The power to make the L. I. should
    be given in this one before the Council.
    That is what I thought as well.
    Hon Members, so do we agree that we
    delete “Executive” and insert “Legislative” in clause 1(1)(f)?
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, the item numbered (ii).
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move that subclause (2), delete
    “educational” and insert “education”.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 1 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:33 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, first, clauses 1 and 2 — this Bill is about the Ghana Accreditation
    Service. Would the Hon Minister not
    consider an inter-positional change
    between clauses 1 and 2 because this is
    about the establishment of the Ghana
    Accreditation Service? I thought clause 2
    should rather be clause 1, and then clause
    1 should rather be clause 2, but that is
    something else. I am just leaving that to
    the drafters and the Hon Minister to
    consider. Clause 3(b), “Objects of the Service” says:
    ...support the needs of Ghanaian
    enterprises that are competing in
    a fast-paced global economy...
    Mr Speaker, that description, I believe,
    is unnecessary. It should be, “...support the needs of Ghanaian enterprises that
    are competing in the global economy”. The characterisation of “fast-paced”, to me, is not necessary, so we should delete
    that.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Very well.
    Let me put the Question on Clause 2 first
    and then I will come to clause 3;
    otherwise, I was going to put the
    Question on clauses 2, 3, and 4 together.
    Clause 2 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, we move to the proposed
    amendments for clause 3. The
    amendment is to delete “fast-paced”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Chairman?
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, no
    objection.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:33 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Hon Minister and the Hon
    Chairman are here. Do we need clause
    3(f), the “Objects of the Service”, “...to promote recognition and protect the use

    of the logo of the Service…” I am not too sure that, really, this should be an object

    of the Service, unless, maybe, they can

    persuade me.
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, let me
    try and persuade the Hon Majority
    Leader. The Ghana Accreditation
    Service is going to be part of the global
    body that works in concert with other
    accreditation bodies in the whole world,
    and one of their objectives is to ensure
    that they protect the use of their logo by
    anybody anywhere in this world. It is not
    going to be the case that every company
    in Ghana will be enjoined to use the logo
    or the accreditation service of Ghana.
    They can be here, but they will use the
    accreditation service of Nigeria; the
    Ghana Accreditation Service is
    empowered to ensure that the use of that
    logo is protected through licensing and
    certification. That is why it is important
    that we have this there as an object.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    So, can it
    not be a function of the Accreditation
    Service Agency, rather than the object?
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I see this
    as semantics because it is an objective of
    the establishment to ensure the
    protection of the use of that logo, so if
    one functions — It depends; it is semantics any way one looks at it. I think
    that the promoters prefer to serve a
    purpose as far as the global body is
    concerned, and this is one of the
    objectives of the global body to ensure
    that they watch out for one another.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:43 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Hon Chairman tried to
    convince me. He said he would persuade
    me; I am convinced somehow, but I am
    not persuaded at all by this.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 3 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Clause 4 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Clause 5 — Membership of the Service
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 5, paragraph (a), delete.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 5, paragraph (b), line 1, at
    the beginning, delete “other”.
    Mr Agbodza 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, clause 5, I
    could hear the Hon Minister say, though
    not officially, that they are assuming
    there is no existing body currently. But
    clause 5(a), “the personnel of Ghana National Accreditation Service” — is it not the case that we have that in
    existence? [Interruption] All right, so is
    that not necessarily? — All right.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    look at the transitional provisions in
    clause 58(1):

    The rights, assets and liabilities

    accrued in respect of the properties

    vested in the Ghana National

    Accreditation Service established

    immediately before the coming into

    force of this Act…

    That means there is something —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Leader, actually, even clause
    59 mentions a service incorporated under
    Companies Act, 2019 (Act 992) being

    It was after the Act was passed that the

    Service was set up. It appears that, even

    though the law was passed, it was not

    implemented.
    Mr Hammond 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there
    seems to be some confliction here. We
    are establishing this for the first time.
    The Hon Majority Leader is looking at
    clause 58, and it talks about transitional
    provisions. I see that we are talking about
    Ghana National Accreditation Service
    established immediately before the
    coming into force of this Act. There is no
    statutorily established — [Interruption] —Ghana National Accreditation Service incorporated under the Companies Act,
    2019 (Act 922) —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:43 p.m.
    If it was
    established under the Companies Act,
    then it means it is a private company.
    Mr Hammond 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that was
    the understanding. There is what they
    call “GhaNAS”, so it was an institution
    — [Interruption] — No, wait a minute. There is no statutorily established
    enterprise or entity by this House called
    “Ghana National Accreditation Service”; there is none. Before today, there has
    been that institution established under
    the Companies Act by a private entity, so
    what the clause is suggesting is that there
    has not been a statutorily established
    entity which has employees, so we are
    not transferring any employees from that
    “existing enterprise” into the fold of what we are doing now. That is what the
    first one is about.
    Mr Speaker, this second one is
    different altogether. Clause 59 is
    different; we know that — [Interruption] — There is no statutory provision, so I am not sure we are legally bound to
    extrapolate employees from a private
    company into the one that we are doing
    today by Parliament, so if the Hon
    Member says we should delete the first
    one, he is right. When we get to clause
    59, we would look at what is there
    because I am not so sure that dissolution
    — Yes, clause 59 is actually dissolving whatever was there —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, if it is a private enterprise, in
    what capacity would this law dissolve it?
    Mr Hammond 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is
    why I switched off the microphone. How
    do we dissolve somebody's private company by statutory act? When we get
    there, we would deal with that, so the
    Hon Member is right with the deletion he
    asked for. We should delete that one, so
    we move on.
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, during
    our deliberations, this came up. Indeed, I
    would not use the word “controversial”, but it was a bit extended in terms of we
    trying to understand where those staff
    would come from. We asked the
    Ministry that is in charge of this
    GhaNAS, and they said that no staff
    member has been employed at the
    moment, but they have staff that have
    been seconded to the office to prepare for
    this law to come into existence, so that
    they can start full operation.
    Mr Speaker, to err on the side of
    caution, we thought, as a Committee,
    that it was not appropriate to open
    ourselves up for any exploitation, so if it
    is the case that nobody has been given a
    formal letter of appointment onto
    GhaNAS, then we cannot have that
    provision there as having staff already
    employed being transferred to the new
    establishment. However, looking at
    clause 59, and if I may repeat, if one
    looks at clause 5(a), “…Accreditation Service employed…”. The operative word here is “employed”, and I do not think that the Accreditation Service can
    tell us they have issued any appointment
    letter to anybody. But, yes, I can confirm
    that staff from Track and Ghana
    Standards Authority have been seconded
    to the office.
    Mr Speaker, if this is what we are
    calling as employees of GhaNAS that
    would be transferred, I do not know, but
    as we speak today, before the enactment
    of this law, there are no persons or staff
    that can prove with any letters that they
    had been employed to work under
    GhaNAS before the enactment of the
    law. That is why we want that one
    removed. I do not know how it works
    under the transitional provisions.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, that does not answer the
    question relating to 58 and 59. Fifty-nine
    in particular suggests that there is a
    private company incorporated some-
    where. Do you know about that company
    called Ghana National Accreditation
    Service, incorporated under the
    Companies Act, 2019?
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I must
    confess that this did not come onto our
    radar to ask these questions you are
    asking of us, but I know that even before
    the Bill came to Parliament, the
    necessary pre-arrangements to get a
    company called Ghana National
    Accreditation Service had been put in
    place, with an office at the Ministry of
    Trade and Industry, so the fact that a
    company has been incorporated called
    GhaNAS— I do not know whether that gives them that mandate to immediately
    start operating if the Hon Minister has
    not appointed a chief executive and for
    course, gone by the enactment of a law to
    put a council in place. That is where my
    doubt lies.
    Mr Hammond 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank
    you very much for your direction. I think we should step down clause 5 temporarily, because it has relevance to clauses 58 and 59. I am wondering whether the whole of clauses 58 and 59 should now be deleted because of clause 5. So, we may go on to clause 6; we would come back to the other ones.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    I agree with you, but you were talking into the microphone, when it is a private conversation.
    Mr Hammond 2:53 p.m.
    Forgive me, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    Very well. We will defer consideration of clause 5.
    Clause 6 — Governing body of the Service
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 6 subclause (1), paragraph (g), line 2, insert “a” after “of”.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 6, subclause (1), paragraph (c), line 1, after “Ministry”, delete “of” and insert “responsible for”.
    Question put and amendment agreed to.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    It may be put under Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs, Trade and-[Laughter], so whichever Ministry is responsible for Trade and Industry. I will move on to the item numbered v(i). Hon Chairman?
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 6, subclause (1), paragraph (f), line 2, before “Director”, insert “a”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    There is an
    “a” there already—"…not below the rank of ‘a' Director…”. Maybe, yours or
    Hon Members' particular copy did not have the “a”. Very well. The proposed amendment is abandoned.
  • [Amendment withdrawn by leave of the House.]
  • Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:53 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I have often raised this matter
    about the structure of our Ministries.
    Now, we have: “one representative of the Ministry responsible for Environment,
    Science and Technology not below the
    rank of a Director…” Where is the emphasis? Is the emphasis on the
    “Environment” or is it on “Science and Technology”?
    We may not have a Ministry called
    Ministry of Environment, Science and
    Technology tomorrow. Today, we have
    it, but we should know where the
    emphasis is. If the emphasis is on
    “Environment”, then it should read: “one representative of the Ministry
    responsible for Environment”, and we may not have to take along “Science and Technology”.
    What do they really want? Should the
    emphasis be on “Science and Technology” or on “Environment”?
    Mr Ahenkorah 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I see the
    direction of my Leader, and I think that
    as it stands, if we want to break it down,
    then it becomes a matter of choice on the
    Chairman. As it stands, accreditation
    goes with science, technology, and can
    even go with environment, so if we want
    to break it down, then it becomes a bit
    problematic.

    As it is right now-[Interruption] [Pause].
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    While you
    confer, kindly resume your seat.
    Mr Emmanuel Armah-Kofi Buah 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I get the point that the Hon
    Majority Leader raised, but the Ministry
    has always been—It started off as the Ministry of Environment and Science,
    and then it became very clear that
    technology would stand well with it, so
    really, it must stay that way because I do
    not foresee any future where we are
    going to name it Ministry of
    Environment and Science. Science and
    Technology, I am sure, would go
    together at all cost.
    This issue is about science and
    technology, so I think we should leave it
    at that.
    Mr Hammond 2:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as the
    Hon Member has just explained, it is
    even better. When we get to a point
    where there is a dichotomy between the
    two, the representatives from the various
    dichotomised Ministries are already
    mentioned under this, so they come
    under the rubric of whichever one they
    have now been recruited. It is as simple

    If we say that “the Ministry responsible for Environment, Science and

    Technology”, and so we now have a different Ministry for Environment, by

    this clause, there should be a

    representative from there and another

    from Science, and from Technology. Mr

    Speaker, what is the difficulty? We have

    three or four rolled into one here. It is

    fine. Mr Speaker, we will not touch it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:53 p.m.
    Very well.
    Then, I will put the Question on clause 6.
    Yes, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
    Mr Agbodza 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, clause
    6(1)(k)— I think we went through this amendment last week. The way they
    have written this one too is problematic.
    If we read clause 6(1)(k), it reads: “one other person with knowledge in
    accounting or finance, who is a woman,,
    nominated by the President.”
    If it is just one, then it should just say
    “appoint a woman”.

    Why are they saying “who is a woman...”? I do not know —We need to write this clause in a different way if it is

    the choice of the Hon Minister to have at

    least one member of the governing board

    to be a woman. This is because it reads

    “…knowledge in accounting or finance, who is a woman…”
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like to explain to my Leader here that
    sometimes we get these boards formed,
    but the board would be deficient in a
    particular department. So, if the
    President is being given that opportunity
    to select one woman and with conditions,
    I think that it steers the President towards
    only one particular woman and not just
    any woman.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:03 p.m.
    I want to
    understand you. Do you want the other

    person to be a woman who must have

    finance — You could just change it to “one woman with knowledge in accounting”. That is what we want: a woman who has finance and accounting

    background. That is it — No.

    “One other person nominated by the President who is a woman…” Let us make it straight, “…one woman…”.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree.
    So, it will read “one woman with knowledge in accounting or finance,
    nominated by the President.”
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    before you put the Question on clause 6
    as amended, I just want us to go back to
    the objects. The object in 3(d) says the
    accreditation is to facilitate international
    trade. When we come to the
    representation, it is not the association of
    traders but rather the Association of
    Ghana Industries — Why should that be? I think it is a matter of policy. If the Hon
    Minister could explain to us —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:03 p.m.
    This is
    because this work is to accredit so that
    they have the valid international
    acceptance. It will give —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    was just saying that the objects — as in clause 3, we want to promote
    accreditation to facilitate international
    trade, right? - [Interruption] No, it is just the 3(d). When we come to the governing
    body, which is clause 6 (1) (j), we have a
    place for not the association of traders,
    but the Association of Ghana Industries
    (AGI). I am asking why, to borrow the
    words of the Hon Minister, the
    dichotomy?
    Mr Hammond 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    think he has borrowed my words. I have
    not lent him my words, but I think he has
    not borrowed them properly. There does
    not appear to be any dichotomy here.
    What seems to be missing from how the
    Hon Majority Leader explains it is the
    absence of the association for commerce.
    I would have thought that the AGI would
    adequately and perfectly represent
    traders. Bear with me, Mr Speaker, a

    Mr Speaker, as he said, there is a policy

    rationalisation for that. We think the AGI

    would adequately represent all of them,

    so we are happy with that.
    Mr Agbodza 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like the Chairman of the Committee to
    look at this at clause 6(2):
    A person other than a person
    nominated under paragraph (j) of
    subsection (1) is not eligible to a
    member of the Council unless the
    person has knowledge and
    experience in quality infrastructure.
    What is quality infrastructure? It is not
    defined. They should either define what
    quality infrastructure is so we
    understand, or they say something now
    because if they say (j) — who are the people mentioned in paragraph (j)? “one representative of Association of Ghana
    Industries nominated by the President of

    the Association of Ghana Industries.” So, under the Ghana Association of

    Industries, which activity there —
    Mr Hammond 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so, does
    it not help if I delete subclause (2)?
    Mr Agbodza 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I just
    would like to know what “experience in quality infrastructure” is.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    noted what the Hon Leader has proposed.
    We would capture the meaning or the
    interpretation of “quality infrastructure” in law, but to come back to what the Hon
    Majority Leader proposed with the AGI.
    This is going to be an accreditation
    service. In fact, what he read under
    clause 3(d), which is “promote accreditation to facilitate” is not that kind of trade where we are looking at buying
    and selling for example. We are looking
    at an industry which would want to have
    some kind of certification to be able to
    export to some markets which demand
    accreditation before the products reach
    their country. Of course, we all know in
    Ghana that if we are looking for such an
    organisation, it is the AGI.
    Mr Speaker, if we want to bring in a
    group that deals in only commerce or
    only buys and sells, they will not fall
    under this law. But if, for example,
    Kasapreko Company Limited requires
    some accreditation to send their products
    to Singapore, they would have to have an
    accreditation by the GhaNAS before
    they can take it there. That is the reason
    we want to put the AGI under the
    Council so that they will know whatever
    the organisation or establishment brings
    up before products or whatever are
    certified. Otherwise, I would like to
    maintain, in summary, that AGI is the
    only body captured here because they are
    going to deal with this accreditation
    service more than any other organisation.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:03 p.m.
    — They have agreed to provide the definition for
    “Quality infrastructure”. Very well.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I am not too sure that I agree
    with what the Chairman of the
    Committee has said. First, what is being
    established is not just for the promotion
    of international trade, if my appreciation
    of this Bill is right. We are looking at
    matters that we also import into this
    country.

    Yes, Mr Speaker, let us read the

    memorandum. It is not only for the

    purposes of this, and that is why I was

    looking at the traders' perspective as well.

    Mr Speaker, however, if what he has

    even said is to be believed, why then is

    clause 6 taking the representative of

    Association of Ghana Industries (AGI)

    out and as far that representative is

    concerned, he does not need to have any

    proficiency in quality infrastructure — [Mr Ahenkorah: Yes, he does not

    need]. So, in terms of the equipment,

    whether they meet or conform to certain

    standards, he does not need to even

    know. Yes, so, what the Hon Chairman

    of the Committee is saying does not sit

    with the purpose that he is trying to

    elucidate. It does not.

    Mr Speaker, because in that regard, the

    AGI representative should also have

    proficiency in quality infrastructure but

    he is the only one that the law is saying

    that he does not need to have it. So, the

    point that you are raising does not sit — [Interruption]—
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    respectfully, would like to draw the
    attention of my Hon Leader to the point
    that the representation of AGI is not
    going to be a technical representation.
    The reason being that, he is going to
    represent a whole group of people.
    Mr Speaker, the manufacturing process
    in Tropical Cable and Conductor
    Limited will not be the same as the
    manufacturing process in say Reroy
    Cables Limited, same cable company,
    but they would understand if the
    accreditation service intends to roll out
    any new rules, regulations or guidelines
    that affect the industry or their
    organisation.
    Mr Speaker, that is the reason why the
    law is excluding them to ensure that for
    all those people, except the AGI, they
    need to have some knowledge in quality
    infrastructure. I do not think it is too
    much of a trouble. That is even the
    reason the President is supposed to
    nominate a woman with a particular
    standard or condition attached to the
    nomination. This AGI representative, of
    course, is not going to be tagged to have
    knowledge in say, manufacturing
    processes or whatever but would have
    the opportunity to inform their people or
    bring their people's contribution on board whenever it is necessary.
    Mr Agbodza 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so, in
    effect, is he representing just an interest
    of his organisation? Is he/she not coming
    on board with a technical knowledge?
    Anyway.
    Mrs Tetteh-Agbotui — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member?
    Mrs Gizella Tetteh-Agbotui 3:13 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I just want some clarification.
    Mr Speaker, the woman is being
    limited to have a certain qualification
    and the AGI representative should also
    have a certain qualification. What about
    the rest of the men representing? What
    are their qualifications?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:13 p.m.
    Hon Member, come
    again, please.
    Mrs Tetteh-Agbotui 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    said the woman, as a representative, is
    being limited to have a certain
    qualification, accounting or finance. Am
    I right, Hon Chairman? The AGI
    representative is also being limited to
    have a certain qualification whether it is
    technical, quality assurance or whatever.
    What is the qualification for the rest of
    the men?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    Then AGI
    person is not limited, just that he cannot
    perform certain functions unless he has a
    certain qualification or experience, but

    the Hon Member is asking about the

    other representatives from the other State

    agencies. Could they bring a lawyer or

    could they bring an administrator or a

    secretary, any person? The other

    agencies?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    know if I heard you right but of course,
    obviously, the two parts have actually
    identified what these people who are
    coming from the various agencies should
    have in terms of knowledge or know-
    how.
    Mr Speaker, the part that has to do with
    a woman is only supposed to give the
    President the opportunity to bring a
    woman who must have knowledge in
    certain areas or must have some
    conditions attached to her selection. The
    reason is that, it could be possible that all
    the people that would be brought from
    these agencies might not have an
    accounting or finance background.
    Mr Speaker, so, if the President is
    supposed to bring a woman with finance
    background, I do not think it is too much
    or out of place. And AGI, as I said, if
    they are bodies or organisations who are
    supposed to bring one representation, we
    cannot tie them down to quality know-
    how or production know-how, because
    like I said, two companies or factories
    manufacturing the same product might
    not even have the same manufacturing
    processes due to the fact that their
    machinery come from different places.
    Mr Speaker, therefore, it is only a
    representation of interest by this group to
    come on board and satisfy the — [Interruption] — Hon Member, I hope you get my point? [Laughter]
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    The point
    the Hon Member is making is that—Hon Majority Leader, one moment, please. In
    the case it is one representation from the
    Ministry of Health not below the rank of
    a director, could they bring the Director
    of Administration from the Ministry of
    Health or from the Ministry of Food and
    Agriculture, could they bring the
    Director of Finance? Or would you want
    certain expertise as you have defined for
    others? That is the question she is asking.
    Mr Hammond 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there are
    to be representatives on this body and we
    have indicated it. There is the possibility,
    it is not a remote possibility at all, that in
    all of this, the person who would be
    nominated would not be a woman. [Mr
    Ahenkorah: Exactly]. You know this
    gender thing, we always have to be
    mindful of it.
    Mr Speaker, so, there is a clause here
    for the President to nominate one and
    that nomination is actually to be a
    woman but there is also the risk that
    because we are insisting on this
    infrastructural whatever, they would all
    come in with their technical know-how
    but nobody will seem to have financial
    acumen among them. So, the President
    has this responsibility of nominating or
    appointing one person who should be a

    woman to cure the imbalance. If there are

    other women from the other — But that person should have that absolutely. Hon

    Majority Leader, you still do not

    understand? [Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu:

    It is not that I do not understand it. You

    are rather getting it wrong.] But you do

    not accept it?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    agree with my Hon Colleague from
    Awutu-Senya West Constituency.
    Mr Speaker, if you read clause 6(1)(k),
    it says, “One other person with knowledge in accounting or finance, who
    is a woman, nominated by the
    President”. That is the first leg. Now, when we come to clause 6(2), it says, and
    I beg to quote, “A person other than a person nominated under paragraph (j)...' which is the AGI representative, all the
    others are ‘not eligible to be a member of the Council unless the person has
    knowledge and experience in quality
    infrastructure”.
    Mr Speaker, the woman should have
    first — [Mr Hammond: But that is—] please, this is law making — [Mr Hammond: Hon Leader, I understand
    you but that is the use of generic rule] — No, the Hon Minister is getting it totally
    wrong.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    the woman is required to have those
    basic qualification, quality infrastructure
    [Mr Ahenkorah: The woman?] The
    woman. Apart from that she is also to
    have knowledge in accounting or
    finance.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Leader, the Council is below at
    clause (7), and it is different from the
    Board —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    where?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    Clause 7
    — Functions of the Council —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it
    is not the functions. I am talking about
    the membership —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    The body?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    The governing
    body of the service.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    The service?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    yes.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    So, which
    is the Council?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:13 p.m.
    The Council
    is the governing body. The governing
    body of the service is the Council
    consisting of — [Mr Ahenkorah: The composition is at clause (6) and the
    function is at clause (7)] The
    composition is at clause (6). So, when we
    come to clause (6), all those nominated
    or designated from clauses 6(1)(a) - (k), except (j), all of them should have
    proficiency or experience in quality
    infrastructure, including clauses 6(1)(k)
    who is a woman. And apart from that, the

    woman should have proficiency in

    accounting or finance. So, we are overly

    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:13 p.m.
    All along,
    I thought the Council was different from
    the governing board. So, it is the
    governing board we call the Council and
    you are saying that apart from clauses
    6(1)(j) which could be anybody, every
    other person must have knowledge in — and in that case, it would include clauses
    6(1)(k)?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think I
    get the Hon Majority Leader's drift and I do not mind if we re-couch clauses 6(2)
    to read:
    A person other than the person
    nominated under paragraph (j) and
    (k) of subsection 1 is not eligible to
    be a member of the Council unless
    the person has knowledge and
    experience in quality infra-
    structure.
    Mr Speaker, the the person nominated
    under paragraphs (j) and (k) of clause 6,
    subsection (1) is not eligible to be a
    member.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    So, the
    proposed amendment is to clause 6,
    subclause 1, after (j) insert “and (k)”.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:23 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Agbodza 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if this is
    about trade, may I know why the Ghana
    Union of Traders Association (GUTA)
    was not included? At the end of the day,
    they are at the downstream of what you
    want to do. In fact, they are the ones who
    are actually importing the items, so —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    They have
    explained this on so many occasions.
    Probably you are not —
    Mr Agbodza 3:23 p.m.
    No. I am saying that
    even if not importation, they are the ones
    who are the real traders. That is why I
    asked whether they are setting up a
    technical body, because they could have
    a Ministry and they are requiring
    somebody at the level of a director. What
    if there is nobody at the level of a director
    who has got the so-called quality
    infrastructure background?
    Mr Speaker, secondly, I heard them
    say they wanted to protect logos and
    other things. I am surprised that the
    governing body has nobody with a legal
    background. There is no requirement to
    have anybody of a legal background,
    unless they are going to rely on clause 6
    (3). Do they not think that the comment
    they made about the fact that there would
    be the need to protect some insignia or
    other things — you needed — a whole Council without a legal representation?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I get
    where he is coming from, but fortunately
    the President has the opportunity to
    select a chairperson aside from the
    woman, so I am of the opinion that if it
    becomes necessary, the President will
    certainly consider this and select a legal
    person. If we want to put all these people
    in the law, I am sure we can have a

    bucketful of representations which might

    not serve us well.
    Mr Agbodza 3:23 p.m.
    I think they may need a
    lawyer. I am not saying accounting is not
    necessary, but if we are legislating and
    saying somebody should have a finance
    and accounting background, I am
    wondering why you think that it is
    necessary to specifically say somebody
    should have a finance or accounting
    background, yet you are now leaving the
    option of whether to have somebody
    with a legal background to the President.
    Assuming the President decides not to,
    because he is not obliged to do that? So,
    that Body will have everybody except
    nobody to advise them as to whether
    what they are doing is even legal or not.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    I am just
    being advised that under the Companies
    Act, a Board Secretary must necessarily
    be a lawyer, but he is not a member. He
    does not have to be a member.
    Mr Hammond 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was
    going to also add that you would always,
    when there is a difficulty, need a lawyer.
    Wherever they are, you will get them, so
    the Hon Minority Chief Whip should
    relax. We, the lawyers, would look after
    ourselves. Let us relax and look after the
    accountants.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    Very well.
    The proposed amendment was subclause
    (2), line 1, after (j), add “and (k)”.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 6 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Clause 7 — Functions of the Council
    Mr Agbodza 3:23 p.m.
    Just for my edification,
    I can see that clause 6(1) says “the governing body of the Service is a
    council …”. From there, the next clause becomes “Functions of the Council”. Is there anything wrong if they say
    “Functions of the Governing Body”? Why all of a sudden, the use of ‘council'? Why do we have to define a governing
    body as a council and now begin to use a
    council? Why could they not just say
    "Functions of the Governing Body"?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:23 p.m.
    The governing body
    is going to be the council.
    Mr Hammond 3:23 p.m.
    The council is the
    body now, so the functions of the council
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    After
    defining it as the council, we have to
    describe the functions of the council.
    There is no proposed amendment to
    Clause 7.
    Clause 7 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Clause 8 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Clause 9 — Tenure of office of members of the Council
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 9, subclause (1), lines 1 and

    2, delete “period of not more than” and insert “term of”.

    Question put and amendment agreed

    to.

    Clause 9 as amended ordered to stand

    part of the Bill.

    Clause 10 ordered to stand part of the

    Bill.

    Clause 11 — Disclosure of interest
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 11, subclause (2),
    paragraph (a), before “fails”, insert “knowingly”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    Which
    word did you say?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    knowingly - “Knowingly fails to disclose that interest”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    What do
    you mean by “knowingly fails”? You know you have an interest and you fail to
    disclose it, so you do not need to add
    “knowingly”. It is not tidy at all.
    Mr Hammond 3:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we were
    thinking about inadvertence. Sometimes,
    you are pressed and forget, but if you are
    not happy about the insertion of the
    “knowingly”, we would leave it like that. It does not mean a lot to me.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    Let me
    listen to the Hon Majority Leader.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:23 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, there is a template for “Tenure of office of members of the Council”, “Meetings of the Council”, “Disclosure of interest”, “Establishment of committees”, so let us look at it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:23 p.m.
    I direct the
    draftspersons in Parliament to —
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:23 p.m.
    I am saying
    that there is a template for these
    provisions. So, it is the same thing that
    they have been repeating with the
    necessary adjustments, so I am just
    saying that we should revert to that
    instead of —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    so, I will
    put the Question and direct the
    draftspersons to redraft them to conform
    with the template.
    Clause 11 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    I direct the
    draftspersons to redraft clauses 9, 10, and
    11 to conform with the template as
    adopted by the House.
    Hon Members, there is no advertised
    amendment to clause 12 —
    Mr Agbodza — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member?
    Mr Agbodza 3:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think
    what the Hon Majority is saying is that

    even for “Establishment of committees”, there is a standard template we use. So, I

    think this should be — even “Allowances” up to clause 14. There is a standard rendition we have used over and

    over again, which the Table Office —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    So, I will
    put the Question, and if we adopt them,
    the draftspersons will bring them in
    conformity with the adopted template.
    Clause 12 to 14 ordered to stand part of
    the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    I will
    direct the draftspersons of Parliament to
    redraft them in conformity with the
    adopted template of Parliament.
    Clause 15 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Clause 16 — Functions of the Accreditation Committee
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move that clause 16, paragraph (a), at the
    end, add “subject to the approval of the Council”.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 16 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, I will end at clause 22.
    Clause 17 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Clause 18 — Appointment of Director- General
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move that clause 18, subclause (2),
    paragraph (a), line 1, delete “requisite” and insert “relevant”.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 18 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Clause 19 to 22 ordered to stand part of
    the Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, that brings us to the end of
    consideration of the Ghana Accreditation
    Service Bill, 2023 for today.
    Mr Hammond 3:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    appreciate how long you have sat, but
    there is pressure on this particular

    Mr Speaker, that is the reason this Bill

    had to come under a certificate of

    urgency. If we do not get it sorted — [Pause] — I have my Hon Leader's permission to make this plea. At the rate

    at which we are going, I promise you that

    by 4 o'clock, we would be done. [Laughter] No, in 15 minutes, at the rate

    that we are going —

    Mr Speaker, if we do not get this thing

    done by tomorrow and get it signed by

    the President, we will lose US$5 million.

    I do not know why this matter was so

    delayed until it came to my notice, but

    my Hon Leader is asking me to plead

    with you to help us a bit. So, we would

    be grateful if you could rescind your

    Mr Speaker, kindly bear with us till 4

    o'clock, which would be another 15 minutes. I think my Hon Colleagues are

    happy. In another 15 minutes, I think we

    will be done.

    Ms Cudjoe and Mr Buah — rose —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    Hon
    Deputy Minority Leader, the Hon
    Second Deputy Minority Whip is behind
    you, and I intend to listen to her.
    Mr Buah 3:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the history of
    this Bill and why we took it under
    certificate of urgency was because 30th
    June is the last day, and because of that,
    I will, for the first time, support — [Interruption] — the Hon Minister for Trade and Industry should not let me
    change my mind — so that we can push a little bit more.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    Yes, can I
    listen to —
    Mr Hammond 3:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank
    you very much.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    I am
    listening to the Leadership at the
    Majority Bench. The request is that we
    should sit till 4 o'clock.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:33 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we have just about 18 minutes
    or so. I guess we can get to 4 o'clock. However, while I sympathise with the
    Hon Chair and the Hon Minister, I think
    we should also, while we are on it, keep
    going back and double-checking what
    we are doing, so we do not get anything
    wrong. I am saying so because the
    appointment of the Director-General, for
    instance, is a position that should be held
    in high esteem. Usually, for such bodies,
    one would want the Director-General to
    come with some number of years of
    experience. I have just been through it,
    and there is no such requirement, but this
    is not for us to go back anyway. This is
    because we can always have a, maybe,
    Second Consideration of it. However, we
    can move on, but I am saying that we
    should be reflecting on whatever we are
    doing.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:33 p.m.
    I am just
    interested in the “certificate of urgency” of the Bill, but there is no certificate of
    urgency of the health of the Hon
    Members sitting here. Well, I will take
    you up to 4 o'clock. Let us see, but the certificate of urgency is only on the Bill,
    and not on our health.
    Very well, I will continue.
    Clause 23 — Divisions, directorates and units of the Service
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 23, subclause 2, delete.
    Mr Buah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, could the Hon
    Member explain why the entire clause
    should be deleted?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, clause 1
    actually deals with what we have in

    clause 2. If we put clause 2 there, as

    against clause 1, we would be limiting

    the functions or the powers of the council

    in directing which departments to be set

    up. Also, when we read clause 1, it says:

    A council shall establish divisions,

    directorates and units of the service

    that the council considers necessary

    for the efficient and effective

    performance of the function of the

    Service.

    Mr Speaker, when we come down to

    clause 2 and say that without limiting

    sub-Claurse 1, the council should do this

    or that, then, it is probably tautology.
    Mr Hammond 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, could I
    help with that?
    Mr Speaker, well, they said it is
    standard, but it is not always the
    standard. We are not particularly — it does not mean a lot. We thought it was
    for the sake of clarity or good
    housekeeping. Clause 23 (1) says that
    they have the liberty, and authority, and
    in fact, it is a mandatory “shall” to establish directorates and whatever they
    want, then we go on to tell them what to
    do. So, we were wondering that having
    told them what to do, why would we now
    direct them to do this and that? We have
    already given them the responsibility to
    set up what they would like to set up. If
    Hon Members object to this and say we
    should still give the indication that we
    have given, I have no difficulties at all,
    so we could leave it as it is if that is the
    insistence of Hon Members.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it
    is standard, so we are only saying that
    even though the council has the authority
    to establish divisions, directorates and
    units of the service, notwithstanding,
    these are core that we must establish. I
    would like to refer the Hon Minister for
    Trade and Industry to clause 12 — Establishment of Committees, and I beg
    to quote:
    The Council may establish
    committees consisting of members
    of council and other members to
    perform a function of the council.
    Mr Speaker, when we come to clause
    15, it tells us that having given the
    council this, necessarily, there must be
    an accreditation committee established.
    It is of the same order. It is just for the
    avoidance of doubt. Let us move on.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:43 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Chairman of the Committee?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    no objection.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:43 p.m.
    Very well.
    Amendment withdrawn.
  • [Amendment withdrawn by leave of the House.]
  • Mr Ahenkorah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 26, paragraph (d), delete
    and insert “(d) loans”.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    indeed, for paragraph (d), as we have
    always done, we have taken the authority
    from the Hon Minister for Finance to do
    that, so paragraph (d) has no place. I was
    just wondering why we would have to
    create a separate subparagraph for loans
    — donations, gifts, grants and loans. Do we have to create a subparagraph for
    that? I agree with loans, but do we need
    a subparagraph for that?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:43 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, what is the position now? The
    proposed amendment is to delete
    paragraph (d) and insert “(d) loans”.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 26 as amended ordered to stand
    part of the Bill.
    Clause 27 to 29 ordered to stand part of
    the Bill.
    Clause 30 — Accounts and Audits
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, clause 30, subclause (2), delete
    and insert
    “(2) The Council shall, within three months after the end of the
    financial year to which the
    accounts relate, submit the
    accounts of the Service to the
    Auditor-General for audit.”
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we must watch this Hon Chairman closely, because he is introducing new matters into the Bill. We have long dealt with these matters, so let us conform with the internal practice. We should not allow him to introduce new matters.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:43 p.m.
    It is
    actually regulated by the Constitution. We are using the term as — so, we would approve and direct the draftspersons to redraft it in conformity with the approved.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    so, are we approving the amendment? No.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:43 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:43 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    like to understand my Hon Majority Leader. —[Interruption]— Mr Speaker, I concur.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, clause 30,
    subclause (3), line 3, before “the Minister”, insert “Parliament,”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I think that when we redraft it, it would capture all these.
    So, we would approve clause 30 as it
    stands and direct the draftspersons to redraft it to conform with the template of the House.

    Clause 30 ordered to stand part of the

    Bill.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    I direct the
    draftsperson to redraft clause 30 to
    conform to the template adopted by this
    House in making laws.
    Hon Members, we would take clause
    31. There is no amendment to clause 31,
    however, I wish that it will be redrafted
    in accordance with the template that the
    House has adopted.
    Clause 31 ordered to stand part of the
    Bill.
    Clause 32 — Establishment of Accreditation Schemes.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to
    move, subclause (1), paragraph (b)
    delete “relevant” and insert “applicable”.
    Mr Speaker, also, subclause (2),
    paragraph (b), subparagraph (ii) delete
    “relevant” and insert “applicable”.
    Mr Speaker, in addition, subclause (3),
    line 2, at the end, add “and in the Gazette”.
    Mr Agbodza 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not
    understand why the Chairman of the
    Committee is changing the word
    “relevant” for “applicable”. In reality, what has been added in terms of clarity?
    Mr Speaker, I would like the Chairman
    of the Committee to abandon the first
    part which is changing “relevant” to “applicable” — [Interruption] Then we can deal with the last one. The Chairman
    is trying to change the word, “relevant” to “applicable”.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    reason we wish to replace “relevant” with “applicable” is that we are going to work with an organisation that has to live
    with international standards. With this — [Interruption] — Hon Member, let me finish.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Member for Ho West, Mr Emmanuel
    Kwasi Bedzrah?
    Mr Emmanuel Kwasi Bedzrah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, we are here to make a law for
    the country and I have noticed that the
    Chairman of the Committee and the Hon
    Minister are not in agreement.
    Mr Speaker, I believe the House must
    be convinced why we should replace the
    word, “relevant” with “applicable”. If I am not convinced, how should I vote for
    it and why should the House? So, the
    Chairman of the Committee must
    convince us why the word “relevant” should be replaced with “applicable”.
    Mr Speaker, also, the Hon Minister
    should allow the Hon Chairman of the
    Committee to do his work.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Hammond 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    heard the Hon Member for Ho West. I

    Hon Chairman, why do you want to

    replace —
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the point
    I was trying to make, probably, I would
    rather rephrase it and say that the
    draftsperson should find the appropriate
    word. This is because as far as we are
    concerned, at the Committee level, we
    thought that this is going to be an
    organisation that is going to deal with
    international applicable laws. Therefore,
    if we write only “relevant” without referring to — “Applicable” and “relevant” are very close but we have decided to use the word “applicable” because they would be enjoined to use
    some particular set of rules and if —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, I agree with you. It is not
    every relevant law that is applicable. The
    law being passed is going to ask people
    to conform to what law is applicable. So,
    it is not every law that is relevant that is
    applicable.

    No winnowing has happened but I

    think the amendment is right.
    Mr Hammond 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so, the
    Hon Chairman should maintain his
    amendment.
    Mr Speaker, we would come back to it.
    He originally explained it the way he just
    did but I assumed that my Hon
    Colleagues on the Front Bench were part
    of this so we were quite happy with it.
    However, when they raised the
    objection, I became unsure.
    Mr Speaker, however, as you have put
    it, it can be relevant. Relevant in the
    context of whatever is relevant.
    [Interruption]. Well, that is relevant but
    the “applicable” one is the specific one. So, we would take the “applicable” if Mr Speaker agrees.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:53 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I just want to speak to the order
    of arrangement in respect of the other leg
    that the Hon chairman of the Committee
    proposed — That is adding “and in the Gazette” — I think, in the order of priorities, it should be “Gazette” first before the website of the service. The
    value is the same though but it should be
    “Gazette” first before the —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Which
    particular clause or subclause are you
    referring to?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    clause 32 (3).
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Clause 32
    (3):
    The Service shall publish the
    accreditation schemes on the
    website of the Service.
    That is not —
    Mr Hammond 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think
    that what the Hon Majority Leader is
    saying is that, of all that has been
    indicated, the “Gazette” should take priority over the set that is there. So, that
    should be number one. That is what I
    think he said.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Very well.
    So, what is the amendment proposed to
    effect that change?
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    accept what the Hon Majority Leader has
    corrected.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    So,
    propose the amendment so we —
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so it
    reads:
    The Service shall publish the
    accreditation schemes in the Gazette
    and on the website of the Service.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, before
    we move on, I would like to also
    recommend that the “applicable international standards” be explained or interpreted as in — [Interruption] [An Hon Member: When we get there] No.
    We just left clause 32. I am only
    recommending that the relevant
    international standards which we have
    changed to applicable international
    standards —
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:53 p.m.
    Hon
    Chairman, let us approve — That is part of the Bill before we come to it. So, let
    us take all the amendments together.
    Question put and amendment agreed
    to.
    Clause 32 as amended ordered to stand part of the Bill.
    Hon Chairman, now, you are saying
    that “applicable international standards” should be defined.
    Mr Ahenkorah 3:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it should
    be interpreted at the interpretation column.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:09 p.m.
    Very well.
    That is an amendment that you would add to the clause.
    Hon Members, the time that we agreed
    to close is here. It is 4.05 p.m, so I can bring proceedings to a close.
    Hon Members, thank you for biding
    with us. Unless the Leadership wishes to have any announcements.
    Well, that brings us to the end of the Consideration Stage of the Ghana Accreditation Service Bill 2023 for today.
    [Pause]….

    Hon Members, the House is adjourned

    till—
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 4:09 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, I thought it rather should be the Hon Minister who has kept us here who should have something to tell the House.
    Mr Hammond 4:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, you
    know that I am never afraid to speak my

    mind. So, if the Hon Majority Leader says I should tell the House what I should tell them, I encourage the sect to be here very early tomorrow morning so we complete this thing and there is—
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:09 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, I think he wants you to talk
    about Housekeeping matters. So, we
    have to discuss that with the Caucus.
    Mr Hammond 4:09 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, afraid
    man, he could not tell me that one.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 4:09 p.m.
    Yes, so
    you have to discuss the Housekeeping
    matters with the Whips for keeping us
    here till 4.00 p.m.
    Hon Members, on that note, the House
    is accordingly adjourned till Friday, 30th
    June, 2023, at 10.00 in the forenoon.
    ADJOURNMENT 4:09 p.m.