Debates of 3 Jul 2014

MR SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:30 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:30 a.m.

Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Hon Members, correction of Votes and Proceedings of Wednesday, 2nd July, 2014.
Page 1 … 11 --
Mr Joseph Y. Chireh 10:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, if you look at page 11 on the procedural Motion moved by the Hon Chairman of the Committee, I seconded it. It is the main Motion that was seconded by Dr Akoto Osei.
Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Very well.
You seconded it, so, it should be corrected as such.
Mr Chireh 10:30 a.m.
Thank you.
Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
Page 12 . . . 18--
Hon Members, the Votes and Pro- ceedings of Wednesday, 2nd July, 2014, as corrected, are hereby adopted as the true record of proceedings.
Correction of Official Report. We have two Official Reports for correction. We would start with that of Thursday, 26th June, 2014.
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Thursday, 26th June, 2014.]
  • Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not too sure the point of entry, that was why I sat down and I thought I would perhaps allow for the Official Report to be considered first --
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    Is it very fundamental?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
    In my view yes -- in respect of the Votes and Proceedings.
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    Very well, let us finish this then I can hear you.
    Hon Members, the Official Report of Friday, 27th June, 2014 be adopted as the true record of proceedings.
    Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in respect of the Resolution that was adopted relating to the IDA facility as captured on pages 12 and 13 of the Votes and Proceedings--
    Mr Speaker, I think when the vote was called in respect of the Resolution relating to the Facility, the Minority indicated that they were washing their hands off the facility and I thought it being so fundamental, it ought to have been recorded as part of the Votes and Proceedings.
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    My view is that, the Official Report will take care of your comments. Anybody who wants what actually happened must read the Official Report. The Votes and Proceedings are
    basically decisions taken by the House. So, you have to read the Official Report with the Votes and Proceedings and the points you have made will be properly captured.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, not to question this path, but the issues that I raised which have been captured as item number 11 relating to the challenge of the voice vote really will not be a decision properly so called but it is captured as a milestone in the conduct of business.
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, you are right, the result of it needs to be recorded that is the 105 and the 83 that you have there at page 12 of the Votes and Proceedings.
    Mr Chireh 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would also want your guidance on this issue. When there is a debate, at the end of the debate, you vote and then headcount is made. After that, somebody says we are washing our hands, as Pontius Pilate, is it right? Mr Speaker, can that be right? Decision-making in this House must be by consensus or by majority vote. After you have done so, then you say that -- is it the Resolution that they are washing their hands off? How can they be taking decisions like that. They have to learn to be democratic and accept --
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    Hon Yieleh Chireh, that has been done on the floor of the House several times. Indeed, once an Hon Member catches Mr Speaker's eye and the floor is given to him or her and he has made a comment which has not been challenged but recorded and not expunged from the record, it becomes part of the record.
    That is why my earlier response to the Hon Minority Leader was that, all that transpired would be captured in the Official Report and it will take care of everything. Anybody who wants what actually happened on the floor that particular day must read the Hansard (the Official Report) that one clarifies the situation.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, for further elucidation on the matter, I think my Hon Colleague is wrong in saying that decisions fall in the category of Ayes and Noes. It is incorrect for him to take that position.
    As you rightly observed, it is not the first time these things are happening and I do not believe that people now would want to play Pharisees when they themselves resorted to the same mechanism and the same path in their earlier lives. Today, perhaps, they have become “born again.” But, may his soul rest wherever he is -- [Interruption] -- He needs not be dead before his soul rests.
    Mr Speaker, it is important that we remind Hon Members, yes, we want to grow Parliament but precedents are precedents. Of course, it is part of the democratic dispensation to abstain. You may either vote Aye or Noe, or you may Abstain or, like we did, completely wash your hands off it, which we did for very good reasons. And the people of this country --
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    I hope you are not re- debating the matter?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, no.
    Mr Speaker 10:30 a.m.
    No. You asked for my guidance on the matter, I have given the guidance on the matter, so that should be it.
    Mr Chireh 10:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, you see, the Hon Minority Leader, after your guidance, I sat down but he decided to say I am “born again”. I am not born against you. But if a bad practice was done by our Side, should they copy it? When the people carry money in planes to go and pay people, during their time, it was done; are they not condemning us? What do they mean by that? [Laughter.]
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, this man sometimes; the Hon Yieleh Chireh. Mr Speaker, first of all, I did not say “born against”, I said “born again” so at least, I will forgive him because momentarily, he suffered from some hearing impairment. When I said “born again”, he said I said “born against” and then proceeded to rant. I will forgive him; I will not further litigate the matter that he related to.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, during the-- I do not know whether it was a Statement or whatever by the Hon Member for a constituency I am not too sure of; is it Wa East? I do not want to mention his name, Wa West. I heard him say that, ‘when money was taken on a plane during your time, are you not now condemning us”? Mr Speaker, I would not have reacted if it had been said outside this Chamber.
    The statement that the Hon Member made in reference to money being carried, I happened to be the Minister for Education, Science and Sports and I led the Ghanaian delegation. That statement is absolutely false and I do not think the Hon Member, having regard to his stature in this House, should be making uninformed and deliberately misleading statements; I take very strong exception to that.
    I have never commented on these things publicly but when a senior member like the Hon Member for Wa West makes references to these matters on the floor of the House on record, I will never let it pass. He has no reason to make that statement; let us get serious.
    Thank you.
    Mr Chireh 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, for the Hon Papa Owusu-Ankomah to say what he is saying, I do not doubt it because he was the Minister at the time but the President of the Ghana Football Association (GFA) has given clear indications that ,on the two occasions that we went to the World Cup, before this third occasion, the money was physically carried there. Now if it was not known at that time it does not mean that any time it is known it is not wrong.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am very sorry about this but I must say it. It may be strong but when statements are made outside and an Hon Member comes to repeat that statement as if it is the truth, which statement I believe affects another Hon Member personally, my goodself --
    If somebody has made a statement outside; I have also heard other people make contrary statements but to come and repeat it here to elicit a response from me and not even to say that it is hearsay, I do not know the facts, I withdraw, to go on this trajectory is not helpful. The Hon Member should set a good example.
    Thank you.
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    Hon Members, I do not intend pursuing this matter because Hon Yieleh Chireh came back to say that, he is attributing his statement to a statement made by somebody, Ghana Football Association (GFA), so his statement is based on what that person is reporting. That is the point, if he had attributed it to himself, I would have asked him to substantiate it or withdraw but he is saying that somebody has made that statement and he mentioned the person. Is it the GFA Chairman or President?
    Some Hon Members 10:40 a.m.
    President.
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    So he is attributing it to that person. The question is that, did that person make that statement? If that person made that statement, then it would be difficult for anybody to say he should withdraw. You have also come as the Minister at the time to say that, it is not true. You have also made your point and it is a matter of record in the Hansard. That is the challenge. If he had not attributed it to anybody -- to be honest, I also heard a Member of the Executive Committee of the GFA make that comment; not the Chairman but a member on one of the programmes over the weekend. I listened to it. That is where the challenge is; I hope you get my difficulty.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    I get your difficulty. But unfortunately, when a statement is made outside and an Hon Member comes here on the floor of the House, repeats that statement, offering it as the truth without knowing that it is the truth; it is a very serious matter.
    Mr Speaker, scandalous, untrue and misleading statements may be made by persons outside this Chamber; does it mean that we can come and repeat those statements here? This is because I know for a fact that Hon O. B. Amoah, who was my deputy, has made several statements to the effect that, that was not correct.
    I would want to be clear in my mind; if someone makes a false statement outside; an Hon Member can come onto the floor of the House, repeat that statement and attribute it to that person. I do not mind if you say such a statement was made but when you offer it as the truth; Mr Speaker, that is what --
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    If you offer it as the truth, then you will have to substantiate it on the floor, but he is only saying that he is basing it on that person so you have to ask him whether he is making it as a statement of truth.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, he said that “yes, the fact that you people sent money outside and the President has sent money outside, does it make it right?” He was offering it as the truth.
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    Hon Members, I do not want us to pursue this debate further. Hon Member, withdraw; I will also call on Hon Yieleh Chireh to withdraw all the comments he has made on this matter to also withdraw them. You also made harsh comments on the Hon Member and then
    -- 10:40 a.m.

    Mr Chireh 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, for what you are saying, I have no problem with- drawing but I know that in this House, people have taken Graphic and other publications from everywhere, presented them and quoted people as being the gospel truth. I do not mind, the truth is outside; I withdraw.
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    Hon Member for Sekondi, kindly withdraw all your comments.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    Thank you.
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    Hon Member, please as I sit down here, I am not in a position to determine the truth or otherwise of the matter. Nobody has put a document before me so that I can rule one way or the other.

    He has withdrawn, so the comment based upon which you also made your comments; Hon Member for Sekondi, I have called you earlier --

    Hon Deputy Minority Leader, the rules of this House are clear. When a Member catches the Speaker's eye, you cannot tell the Member to sit down, undermining the authority of the Chair to say he should sit down and then you get up. It is not done anywhere; in no civilised Parliament will you see that being done. He was on his feet, I called him.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker -- [Interruption.]
    Mr Speaker 10:40 a.m.
    Hon Members, the man has withdrawn his statement; Hon Yieleh Chireh has withdrawn his statement. I have asked him to withdraw it and he has withdrawn it and I said that all the subsequent comments also made, some of which were harsh, we withdraw them.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 10:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I withdraw the rather harsh statement in your opinion, that I used on the floor of this House and in particular, words to the effect that the Hon Member for Wa West is a Senior Member of this House and should know better and so forth; I withdraw those words; they are rather harsh but I felt that under the circumstances that was the best response to the statement. But since he has withdrawn it, I humbly in your direction, withdraw it. The Hon Member is my friend.
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Members, Question time.
    Yes, Hon Deputy Majority Leader?
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Members, let us have order in the House.
    Mr Agbesi 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, with the indulgence of the House, we would want to ask permission for the Deputy Minister to answer the Questions on behalf of the Minister.
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, he has made an application to let the Hon Deputy Minister answer the Questions on behalf of the substantive Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing. Do you have anything to say?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to believe that the Hon Member, who is a Member of this House would demonstrate considerable competence in answering this Question. This is because we have seen instances where Deputy Ministers have stood in and their performances have been most bizarre --
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, it is too harsh. You know that the rules of the House are clear. You cannot attack the conduct of an Hon Member except on a substan tive Motion, so it i s a bit above the --
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not describing the performance or the potential performance of the Hon Member. I have said that experiences --
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, if I should come in, the last time he appeared to answer Questions, he did very well. As the person presiding over, I thought that the Hon Deputy Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing, by all standards did very well. In fact, he was able to change gallons into metric, cubic metres and all those things on the floor of the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if in the reckoning of the person presiding, a person performs creditably and could be commented upon --
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    By the Chair.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:50 a.m.
    By the Chair. If in the eyes of the Minority Leader, a person performed bizarre, it cannot be commented upon --
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    You come with a substantive Motion. I cannot bring a Motion.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, this is an innocuous observation and I was not making allusion to the conduct of the Hon Member. I said some experiences we have had in this House but let us see how it goes. We would allow him. I think he is capable of doing justice to his Deputy Ministerial status.
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Members, we would start with Question number 118 standing in the name of the Hon Member for Suhum. Where is the Hon Member for Suhum?
    Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is indisposed and he has asked me to ask the Question on his behalf.
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Well, it is very instructive. Yesterday, he asked somebody, today, he has asked another person, so you have the floor.
    ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:50 a.m.

    MINISTRY OF WATER 10:50 a.m.

    RESOURCES, WORKS AND HOUSING 10:50 a.m.

    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister?
    Deputy Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing (Mr Sampson Ahi) (on behalf of the Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing): Mr Speaker, Akorabo is located in the Suhum Municipality of the Eastern Region. The population of the community is estimated at 2,359.
    The community has three (3) functional boreholes fitted with hand pumps. There are also 5 communal hand-dug wells. These water supply points are all being managed by the community through a represen-tative committee known as the Water and Sanitation Management Team.
    Akorabo with a population of over 2,000 qualifies for an upgrade from boreholes with hand pumps to a limited mechanised water supply system but not yet a small town water system. Therefore, the Municipal Assembly in its development plan has selected Akorabo and three (3) other neighbouring communities namely: Jato, Kwao-Nartey and Kukua to form a cluster of communities to be provided with one (1) small town piped water supply system under the Sanitation and Water in Small Towns and Rural Areas (SAWISTRA) Project.
    The SAWISTRA is a project being prepared by the Ministry for Cabinet attention and approval, to be funded by the European Investment Bank (EIB) and the Agence Française Développement
    (AFD).
    Mr Speaker, it is therefore expected that Akorabo will be provided with a small town water system jointly with the three others when the SAWISTRA Project receives both Cabinet and Parliamentary approval.
    Mr Ahi 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, so far as I am concerned, the three boreholes are functional and the other five communal hand-dug wells are also functional so I am not aware whether the other two are not functioning.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would advise the Hon Deputy Minister to indeed do the crosschecking very well. This is because I am on top of situations there and I am putting it to him that it is only one that is functional.
    Mr Speaker, going further onto my second follow-up question, the Hon Deputy Minister as part of his Answer says he is waiting on Cabinet and parliamentary approval of the loan mentioned. What is the Ministry doing since it is related to water supply; and water they say is life, to speed up this action to ensure that, agreement is approved soonest?
    Mr Ahi 10:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think my Hon Colleague should know that, maybe at the time that the Question was filed, those two boreholes were not functioning but as we speak, the three are functioning, that is a fact, that is the first issue.
    Mr Speaker, the second point is, we all know that water is life and that is true. That is why efforts are being made to package the project to be submitted to Cabinet for approval for onward submission to Parliament for consideration and approval.
    Thank you.
    Mr Speaker 10:50 a.m.
    Last supplementary question.
    Mr Annoh-Dompreh 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I wish to know from my dear Hon Deputy Minister, if he would accept the challenge to go with me to the very point he just mentioned to confirm whether these boreholes are functioning or not.
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would be more than willing to do that. [Laughter.]
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Question number 119, Hon Deputy Minority Whip.
    Mr Ignatius B. Awuah 11 a.m.
    Thank you Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister in his Answer said that, with a population of over 2000 Akorabo qualifies for limited mechanized water supply system.
    Mr Speaker, he goes further to say that “Akorabo is being joined to two other communities for a “small town piped water supply system”. If they qualify for limited merchanised water supply system, why are they not providing them but waiting to join them with some other communities before they give them the Small Town Water System.
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the facilities that could have provided limited mechanised system to Akorabo alone is the Small Towns and Rural Areas (SAWISTRA) Project but we believe that if we combine the three communities together with Akorabo they would be more than the 5000 population which is needed for a community to qualify for Small Town Water System.
    The Small Town Water System facility is better enhanced, that is where individuals can be connected into their
    homes and we think for us to cater for their needs very well we should provide the Small Town Water System to them together with the three communities.
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Thank you very much. Question number 119.
    Central Sewerage Systems in the Dansoman Estates
    (Rehabilitation)
    Q.119. Mrs Ursula G. Ekuful asked the Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing what steps the Ministry is taking to rehabilitate the central sewerage systems in the Dansoman Estates.
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Dansoman Estate was developed and managed by the State Housing Company, therefore it was responsible for the repair and maintenance of the sewerage system. However, given the mandate of Accra Metropolitan Assembly (AMA) per the Local Government (Act 462) Act 1993, the company entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the AMA to transfer the management and maintenance of the central sewerage system in Dansoman.
    Mrs Ekuful 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Question was, what steps --
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Member for Ablekuma West that is why you have supplementary Questions to ask. If you are not satisfied, you pursue the Hon Minister.
    Mrs Ekuful 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was leading up to it. The Question was, “…what steps has the Ministry taken…”. The Answer is that the “…Ministry has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Accra Metropolitan Assembly
    (AMA)…”. So the Ministry has done nothing to rehabilitate the central sewerage system. If an MOU has been signed, when was the MOU signed and what are the terms of that MOU, that is my first supplementary question.
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the MOU was signed in May, 2007 --
    Some Hon Members 11 a.m.
    Are you sure?
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Yes, I have a copy here, Mr Speaker. [Hon Deputy Minister lifts the copy of the MOU]. The MOU was signed in May, 2007 and the Answer I am providing means that the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing is not in charge of the sewerage system. That function is performed by the Municipal and Metropolitan Assemblies, so the Question should have been directed to the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development.
    Mrs Ekuful 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the State Housing Company is an agency under the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing and that has direct responsibility for the management of the estate which they constructed. If the Hon Deputy Minister is now telling us that they have absolutely no idea of what is going on in Dansonam Estates that is a separate question. The livelihood of the people and health and sanitation of the people are at stake--
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Member what is your Question?
    Mrs Ekuful 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if the Minister for Water, Resources, Works and Housing is absolving itself of respon- sibility for the work of an agency under its Ministry, can the Hon Deputy Minister tell us whether the Ministry was consulted before its Agency entered into a contract or an MOU with the Accra Metropolitan Assembly?
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry is not absolving its functions but the truth of the matter is that, this Question is misdirected to the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing, and we are not absolving our duties, it is the Local Government Act that has placed the responsibility at the doorstep of the Assemblies and for that matter the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development.
    Mrs Ekuful 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, is the Hon Deputy Minister telling us that it has no responsibility for what the State Housing Company does, so it has no idea what is going on in the State Housing Company?
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Member, your Question is about the “sewerage system”; The Hon Deputy Minister is not talking about the water of the State Housing Company. He is talking about the sewerage system, so you may rephrase your question.
    Mrs Ekuful 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the State Housing Company which is an agency under the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing has direct responsibility for the management of the Dansoman Estates, including the sewerage systems in the Dansoman Estates which are being a source of extreme worry for the residents of the Estates, the highest incident of cholera seen at the Mamprobi Polyclinic is recorded at Shiabu which houses one of the most deplorable central sewerage collection points in the Estates.
    It is not just about the management of the sewerage system, it is also about the health of the residents of the estates and the State Housing Company is an agency directly under the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing which has responsibility for the State Housing Company. So why is he now redirecting
    me to the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development? It is a question which has been properly filed for the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing and they have to come and provide a proper Answer to this House. It is about time Ministers took the work of this House serious and came to this House prepared to give proper Answers to Questions filed.
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Member for Ablekuma West, you are out of order. I am referring you to Standing Order 67 (b),
    “a Question shall not contain any arguments, expression of opinion, inferences, imputations, epithets or controversial, ironical or offensive expressions or hypothetical cases”;

    Yes, Hon Minority Leader?

    11. 10 a. m.
    Mr Kyei -Mensah -Bonsu 11 a.m.
    The Korle Bu Teaching Hospital is a health facility, that is under the Ministry of Health. The sewerage system at Korle Bu as we all do collect, in a most recent agreement that came before Parliament, has been placed in the charge of the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development, or is more or less delegating responsibility to the Ministry to undertake that one. But ultimately, it is the Ministry of Health that is answerable to whatever goes on at Korle Bu .
    The Question that is being asked is this; “is the State Housing Company that is responsible for that enclave, they have subleted the management of the sewerage as we said to the Accra Metropolitan Assembly (AMA). It does not still absolve the State Housing Company, which his Ministry supervises.
    The Question then is; “What step's is the Ministry taking to rehabilitate the central sewerage system in the Dansoman Estates?
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, sewerage is sanitation, and water and sanitation which he just alluded to, are the preserve of the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing. [Some Hon Members - No! No!]
    Mr Speaker, now he is saying that this responsibility has now been delegated to another outfit. The ultimate responsibility rests with the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing, which is in charge of the management of the estate. That is the ultimate.
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, I admitted the Question because I know as a fact that, sewage matters in this country are located under his Ministry. Here comes the Minister telling us now that, by a Memorandum of Understanding signed in 2007, they have transferred the
    responsibility of the State Housing Company which is under them to AMA. The Question is that, if you look at Order 62 (1), it says that;
    “Questions may be asked of Ministers relating to public affairs with which they are officially connected, proceedings pending in Parliament or any matter of administration for which such Ministers are responsible”
    I think the proper thing to do at this stage, given the fact that the Minister is telling us that there is an understanding between them and AMA in 2007, for them to take over that aspect at Dansoman Estates, is to find out what is contained in that Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to make the Minister make that document available, then we can pursue the matter further. If you get to know the contents of the MOU, then it would tell us what to puruse and then we get who should take responsibility for it.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is understandable. The issue is; in this case, the management used to be in the hands of the State Housing Company (SHC) and in spite of the MOU, ultimately, there is non-performance, which body should be held reliable? It is State Housing Company. They bear the --
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    That is debatable.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if we delegate responsibility --
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Then what is the essence of the MOU?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, what is the principle behind delegation of responsibility?
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    That is very good, but Hon Minority Leader, that is why you have to look at the contents of the MOU to know whether it is delegation or full responsibility.
    Hon Deputy Minister?
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    I would like to read from the MOU, to show how the transfer was done. It reads: “Transfer of SHC sewerage system, and Ownership of the Sewerage System”.
    The transferor, as the owner transfers by these, presents its proprietory interest, and ownership in the three (3) Sewerage Systems in the Greater Accra Region and to vests same together with all assets related thereto in the Transferee forever to be held in trust for the Accra Metropolitan Assembly (AMA) and the Transferee accepts ownership of the said sewerage system”. [Hear! Hear!]”
    So, Mr Speaker, that is it.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the operative word is; “held in trust”
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Members, Question Number 120. [Interruption.]
    Hon Member for Kumawu.
    Kumawu Water Project (Amount Spent)
    Q. 120. Mr Philip Basoah: asked the Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing how much had been spent on the Kumawu Water Project as at 31st January 2014?
    Mr Speaker 11 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister?
    Mr Ahi 11 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Kumawu water supply project which is part of the 3ks (Kumawu, Konongo and Kwahu Ridge) water supply project involves the expansion of the water supply system serving Kumawu, Konongo and Kwahu Ridge and is being funded from a US$236 million loan facility from Bank Hapoalim of Israel and the Government of Ghana.
    The new water supply system with a capacity of 3.2 mgd will abstract raw water from the Afram River at Aframso and will serve the population of the areas up to 2015. Communities to be served under the project include Kumawu, Besoro, Abotanso, Nsuta, Timate, Amaasu, Kyebi, Ntoso, Kwaman, Sekyere, Banko, Akrofosu, Woraso, Bomeng,Oyoko, Dadieso, Asekyerewa and Akrokyere.
    Mr. Speaker, the Kumawu water supply project is being undertaken at a project cost of US$ 115,590,000.00. Works started in January 2011, as at 31st January, 2014, US$ 74,475,000.00 had been spent on this component.
    Mr Basoah 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the project has not been completed; it is still ongoing, yet he is trying to say it is going to serve the population of the area up to 2015. I do not understand that; the Deputy Minister should come out and explain it.
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am sorry, let me make this correction. The project would serve the communities up to 2025; it is not 2015, it is a typographical error.
    Mr Basoah 11:20 a.m.
    All right. Well noted Mr Speaker.
    I would want to find out from the Deputy Minister, whether the amount of money released or funds released so far commensurate or match work done?
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in my subsequent Answer, I said that 52 per cent of the work had been completed, so if he compares it with the figure, he may be right when he asked whether it commensurates with the work done. He would agree with me that, because of the procurement processes, they may purchase some materials which are on site, but have not been used. But if he is calculating the cost or the money spent so far, he would have to factor that in; that is why it could be possible that money spent may not commensurate with work done.
    Thank you.
    Mr Basoah 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, when you visit the area, you would find out that some elevated tanks and ground level reservoirs are being constructed in the area: one is at Kumawu, its capacity is about1,500 cubic metres.
    I would want to know the cost of construction of that reservoir.
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am unable to provide the exact cost of the construction of that reservoir, this is because it is a component of a whole project, which is being done.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Yes, I would take one; -- he has exhausted his supplementary questions. I would take two more Questions and move on.
    Yes, Hon Member for Shai Osudoku?
    Mr David Tetteh Assumeng 11:20 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister, this project is part of the 3ks that we are executing, so the cost of the Kumawu project is embodied in the 3ks Project.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Hon Member, what is your question?
    Mr Assumeng 11:20 a.m.
    Is it that, the cost of the Kumawu project is embodied in the 3ks project as we have, which was approved in this House?
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Did you get the question? All right.
    I did not get the Question.
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think my Hon Colleague who asked the Question wanted to know the specific cost of money spent so far on Kumawu, but Kumawu is part of the three communities, and as at January 2014, US$74,475,000.00 had been spent on Kumawu.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Yes, Hon William Ofori Boafo?
    Mr William Ofori Boafo 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister, the breakdown of the cost of the US$ 74,475,000.00; what sort of work has so far been done with the US$
    74,475,000.00?
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister?
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Project entails scope of work, and we have a 60km transmission line, ground level reservoirs, 6-member elevated water tanks, and construction of district offices -- These are the scopes of work. So far, if you take the intake, it is 100 per cent completed. Gyeaduakrom-Kwaman -16,419 metres, is also100 per cent completed. So under the various scopes of work, some works have been done.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to enquire from the Minister, if Beposo, which is close to Nsuta and is one of the three major towns in that place - Beposo, Nsuta and Kwaman, are part of the communities to benefit from this system.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minster?
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I cannot say for sure now.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Deputy Minister has indicated to us, that, the new water supply system would abstract raw water from Afram River at Aframso and serve the population. Is the system to serve just raw water; untreated water. Is that the case?
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the system when completed would produce water, - treated.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Is it treated water or raw water? That is the Question.
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Yes, that is why I am saying that, after the whole work has been completed, the communities would be served with treated water, not raw water -- [Laughter]
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought the Answer did not capture what he said, and that was why I drew his attention to that.
    Mr Speaker, the Deputy Minister tells us that, the 3.2 million gallons of water to be delivered daily would serve the population of the areas up to 2025.
    Mr Speaker, may we enquire from the Deputy Minister, what the current population of these communities are -- the total number -- and what the anticipations are for 2025?
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister?
    Mr Ahi 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am unable to tell the actual population, but I could check and come back.
    Thank you.
    Mr Speaker 11:20 a.m.
    Yes, Deputy Minority Leader, last Question?
    Mr Dominic Nitiwul 11:20 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, with your permission, the Hon Member, W.O. Boafo asked him, the breakdown of the US$ 74, 475,000.00; he wanted a break down on the expenditure.
    When I listened to him, I really did not hear it. For us to know how the expenditure was done, he should provide the breakdowns, until he got that total.
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the Question was specific -- to find out how much has been spent on Kumawu. If he is asking for the breakdown --
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    The supplementary question asked by Hon W. O. Boafo?
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if he wants the breakdown, he should give me notice and I would provide it.
    Kumawu Water Project (Percentage of work done)
    Q.121. Mr Philip Basoah asked the Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing what is the percentage of work done so far on the Kumawu Water Project?
    Mr Sampson Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, overall per centage completion of the Kumawu Water Supply Project is estimated at 52 per cent.
    Mr Basoah 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister if he has paid a working visit to the Constituency to see the progress of work at the intake site at Aframso.
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I know for a fact that my Minister has been there before, but I have not been to the place.
    Mr Basoah 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in his Answer to the Question, the Hon Member was trying to say that the work for the construction of the dam had been done to about the level of hundred per cent. That was what he was saying. Can he confirm that it is done up to hundred per cent?
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Minister, in an earlier Answer, you did mention that some component of the work have been done up to hundred per cent, can you confirm that?
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yes. I said the transmission line had been hundred per cent done. But the other components --
    Mr Basoah 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister when the construction of the dam is going to be completed?
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the entire project is expected to be completed in December, 2016. I would want to believe that by the time we are in December, 2016, all the projects would have been completed.
    Tema Manhean Work on 5-Beach Erosion (Problem)
    Q.122. Mr Daniel Nii Kwartei Titus- Glover asked the Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing how soon the Ministry will work on the 5-Beach erosion problem in Tema Manhean?
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Water Resources, Works and Housing has requested the Hydrological Services Department to access the beach erosion problem in Tema Manhean.
    The studies by the Hydrological Services Department will purpose an engineering solution to tackle the problem and a project will be developed by the Ministry as one of its priority projects.
    The project will be provided for in the 2015 budget.
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, respectfully, when you look at the Gulf of Guinea from Sakumono through the exact problem area I am talking about in the 5- beach in the Tema Manhean, it is as a result of the construction of the Tema main port. Therefore, the tidal waves from the port have really affected and it is causing erosion. Now, I would want to ask the Hon Deputy Minister, respectfully, when they would commission the Hydrological Services Department to assess the problem and when are they going to finish?
    Mr Ahi 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, that portion is under the Ministry's programme and if the Hon Member would agree with me, he would realise that along the Sakumono Beach some works are going on and it was going to be considered.
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to repeat my question. When did the Ministry commission the Hydrological Services Department to go and assess the erosion at the 5-beach in Tema Manhean and when are they supposed to finish with the commissioning? [Interruption.]
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    Hon Member, your last supplementary question?
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister, said they commissioned the Hydrological Services Department on 1st of June and within two months -- Which means that the same time in August -- They are supposed to give us the report. You are here, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, may I plead that you give a directive that he should report to this House within the end of July.
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    Hon Member, it is Question time, so ask your Question.
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the same work had been undertaken at the Sakumono Beach. When you look at the gravity at the 5-beach, Mr Speaker, as I speak now --
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    Hon Member --
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would ask my Question. The only access bridge linking the community of Awudum to the canoe beach has been broken. It is part of the cause of the erosion. What is he going to do about it as the Hon Deputy Minister?
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    That is not strictly speaking a supplementary question. I would give you the chance to ask a proper supplementary question. The breakdown of the bridge is not a supplementary question.
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the breakdown of the bridge is as a result of the erosion --
    Mr Speaker 11:30 a.m.
    Yes, so frame the Question properly.
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:30 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, what I am asking is, when are they going to fix that bridge problem for the people to commute between Awudum Nkonta and the Canoe Beach?
    Mr Ahi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with my Hon Colleague that, the erosion at that place is severe and that something must be done about it. That is exactly what the Ministry is doing, so he should wait. As soon as the engineering work is completed, we would initiate the process to get the problem solved.
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    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Last question. Hon Member you have exhausted your supplementary.
    Mr Titus-Glover 11:40 a.m.
    No, Mr Speaker, I have not --
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Please, you have exhausted your supplementary -- [Interruption] -- Yes, I ruled one out. Hon Minority Leader, I have been counting the Questions. Hon Deputy Minority Whip --
    Mr Ignatius Baffour Awuah 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister said - - And with your permission, I beg to quote:
    “The studies by the Hydrological Services Department will propose an engineering solution to tackle the problem, a project will be developed by the Ministry as one of its priority projects.”

    And that.

    “The project will be provided for in the 2015 Budget.”

    I would want to know from the Hon Deputy Minister whether he is aware that we are running an MTEF Budget and when exactly this project is going to find expression in the Budget?
    Mr Ahi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the important thing is that, it would be catered for in the 2015 Budget. So he should wait and see it in the 2015 Budget.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought the Hon Deputy Minister was leaving rather prematurely -- [Interruption.]
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Order! Order! Hon Minority Leader, you have the floor -- [Interruption] -- Hon Members, let us have order in the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to inquire from the Hon Deputy Minister if his Ministry is aware that the upsurge of this coastal erosion to the east of Tema is attributable in the main to the construction of the breakwater at Tema, and if he is aware that the resort to this piecemeal resolution of the matter is not helping to address the matter of coastal erosion in this country and that there should be a comprehensive policy and programme to do this. Is he aware of that?
    Mr Ahi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with the Hon Minority Leader that the piecemeal solution is not helping the course. But he would also agree with me that, coastal protection is capital intensive and for that matter, it depends on how much you have, that is why it is being done gradually. But
    efforts are being made to address the erosion along our coastal areas.
    Thank you.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Hon Members, that brings us to the end of Question Time. Hon Deputy Minister, we thank you very much for attending upon the House to respond to Questions from Hon Members.
    At the Commencement of Public Business, Hon Deputy Majority Leader?
    Mr Alfred Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, items 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 cannot go on; we would want to defer them.
    Mr Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee informed me that they are not ready to proceed.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    What about items 8 and
    9?
    Mr Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    The Hon Chairman, with respect to items 8 and 9, is currently not in the jurisdiction, so we cannot proceed, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    In the circumstances, we would want to --
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in respect of Motion numbered as item 8, I thought because the Motion had been moved and seconded --
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    It had been moved and seconded --
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
    We stood it down for debate.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Yes.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Motion has been moved and seconded, so the debate can proceed.
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    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Why?
    Mr Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is because both sides of the House are engaged in a workshop and we thought that we did not have enough time for both sides to debate, but Mr Speaker, your discretion --
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Hon Member, I am aware of the workshop of the two Caucuses but that should not prevent us from doing Business on the floor of the House. This is because, we have agreed in principle that we would work up to a certain time before going for the workshops. So tell me why we cannot continue, at least, why we cannot take item 8? At least, tell me why we cannot take item 8 because the Motion has been moved by the Hon Chairman and it has been seconded.
    Mr Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Majority side continues with their workshop at 12.00 o'clock and I have been informed that they need enough time to complete today. That is the reason why we would want to plead with Mr Speaker that the debate cannot go on. The Majority side, which is starting at 12.00 o'clock and I am informed that, they have a lot to do before the close of day.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Hon Members, I am aware of the workshop. But I would want to make this point that if you allow your workshops to frustrate Business on the floor of the House in the future, we may have to take a second look at the way we organize our workshops. I do not see why this Motion which was moved last week and seconded, cannot proceed.
    At least we can put the Question so that the National Anti-Corruption Coalition can take the Report and start working on it.
    In other words, if there is no serious objection to it, then, I would put the Question on this matter. They have made several representations to me that they want this Report. I will put the Question because once the Motion has been moved and seconded, I can put the Question on it and then we follow- up with the --
    Mr Agbesi 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we are at your discretion.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we agreed that in view of the workshops that we have, we will adjourn the House at 12.30 p.m. We have at least, 40 minutes, and you remember that yesterday, we even adjourned at 1.00 p.m. So I believe that if we are minded to do that we could go ahead to debate. The person who even seconded it indicated that he wanted to contribute.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    I have recognized the Hon Ranking Member for the Committee on Constitutional and Legal Affairs who is here. He can make his presentation and the general principle on adopting the Report, I will listen to one or two Hon Members and then, we put the Question on this matter.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:40 a.m.
    Yes. That is assuming there is no other person who may want to contribute.
    Mr Speaker 11:40 a.m.
    Very well. so I would call the Hon Ranking Member --
    MOTIONS 11:50 a.m.

    Chairman of the Committee) 11:50 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs on the National Anti-Corruption Action Plan (NACAP), 2012 - 2021.
    (Moved on Thursday, 26th June, 2014 by the Hon. Chairman of the Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs, Mr. Alban Sumana Kingsford Bagbin and seconded by the Hon. Member for Offinso South, Mr Ben Abdallah Banda)
    Mr Speaker 11:50 a.m.
    I would call the Ranking Member of the Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs to make his contribution, then I would call the Member for Sekondi. You are not contributing?
    Mr Ben Abdallah Banda (NPP -- Offinso South) 11:50 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the Motion for the adoption of the Report of the Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs Committee.
    Mr Speaker, there is the general knowledge, acknowledgment and consensus that corruption is really a nation wreaker. Over the years, many attempts have been made to nip this canker in the bud by the promulgation of pieces of legislation. This acknowledgement of the destructive nature of the canker underpins and informs the criminalization of corruption, as far back as 1960.
    Mr Speaker, we have had pieces of legislation such as the Public Procurement Act, the Whistle Blower's Act. We have had laws on causing financial loss to the State; we have had the Financial Administration Act and a host of others.
    Mr Speaker, in spite of all these, corruption appears to be on the astronomical rise. The Committee noted that, these efforts and these pieces of
    legislation have not done the trick because the measures were piecemealed, were ad hoc and were not sustained.
    Mr Speaker, it is on the basis of this that the Commission on Human Rights and Administrative Justice (CHRAJ) organized a workshop, and sought recommendations and views from many stakeholders across the political divide.
    Mr Speaker, the significant aspects of this NACAP or this plan is that, this plan was put together as pursuant to many views and recommendations sought for many Anti-Corruption institutions and personalities, including this august House, the Judicial Service, civil society organizations, and a host of others.
    Mr Speaker, this Anti-Corruption Plan, if it is adopted by this House and implemented, would serve as a trigger of a donor support. There is no investor whether local or international who would want to invest in an economy inundated and devastated by corruption.
    Mr Speaker, if this plan is adopted as a national plan, it would provide incentives for local investment, and it would also attract direct foreign investment into the country.
    Mr Speaker, there is also the talk on the need to strengthen the anti-corruption institutions. We have a host of others; we have CHRAJ, we have the Judiciary, we have Parliament, we have Economic and Organized Crime Office (EOCO) and a host of others.
    In spite of all these anti-corruption institutions, Mr Speaker, corruption is still on the rise because these institutions have not been strengthened enough. Their capacities have not been enhanced in order to combat this canker.
    Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh (NDC -- Wa West) noon
    Mr Speaker, I also urge the whole House to adopt the Report, so that we add our voices as Parliament to the fight against corruption.
    Indeed, the Committee has done a very commendable job. They have tried to define corruption, and if you look at page 10, their definition --
    “the misuse or abuse of office or power for parochial or private gain”.
    This underlines the whole idea of corruption, how to measure it, how to find out. We as the people making laws and talking about policies, we have to be very clear, sometimes you see that somebody is entitled to something and when he enjoys it, the next moment, he is corrupt. We have to, avoid politicizing words like ‘corruption'.
    Again, all corrupt people do damage to the society, therefore, it does not matter who is corrupt, we must find ways and means of always, first of all, naming and
    Mr Speaker noon
    Hon Member, is that part of the Report, which is the subject matter of the Motion?
    Mr Chireh noon
    Yes -- Mr Speaker, that is why I am saying so. The Report mentions that the winner takes all and there was a definition that the Hon Member who moved the Motion tried to give. I do not agree with him at all, we must check each other. If somebody has power, it is the duty of other people to check the use of that power, it is not for him to come and collude with me, no.
    So, Mr Speaker, I urge the House again to let us all adopt this. This Report has remained in the House for long and everybody thought that we as Members of Parliament, were not too keen in adopting the Report. Now that it has come here, let us support it and let everybody know that we are a House ready to fight corruption.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Joseph Osei-Owusu (NPP -- Bekwai) 12:10 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this debate.
    I would like to continue from where the Hon Member for Offinso South ended, in particular, about the challenges that anti- corruption agencies face in the country; piecemeal, unsustained enforcements and in particular, lack of resources.
    Mr Speaker, we would like to know why, how come that across the political divide, there is always a cry by the anti-corruption agencies that they are under-funded. I would like to say that the problem is not that any one party or the other is not attending to those agencies but in particular, this is because we as a country do not appear to have a culture that supports and sustains anti-corruption activities.
    Mr Speaker, why do I say so? In my view, in the countries where anti- corruption activities are sustained, it is the priority of the country members themselves and it reflects in the Government's action, then anti-corruption would be high on the agenda. We cannot implement this action plan successfully unless we build a culture that supports anti-corruption. That culture can be built by making sure that there is no tolerance or breach of any rule.
    We are talking about Procurement Act here, it is common knowledge and I have also lived it; that when you go out on the streets now to ask of the price of cement, it would be sold to you between GH¢28.00 and GH¢30.00. But go through Government procurements, all of them, we accept that when Government procures, it should be GH¢35.00. We will not question it; we all think that, that is allright.
    That kind of tolerance is what I am talking about. Mr Speaker, elsewhere, the country trains its young people to eschew all things that are dishonest and builds them against corruption. We have examples of countries where from nursery, the children learn rhymes; the teacher enters the classroom and asks, if it is not yours, and the children would answer, do not take it.
    Now, they grow up with these things imbedded in them and it is difficult for them to do things that are against the State; to steal.
    Mr Speaker, as we are going on, I have read the National Anti-Corruption Action Plan (NACAP) but I regret that I am a bit cynical because, I am afraid that even those that we have put in charge may themselves not be willing to do the things expected of them.
    All around us, people in charge of anti- corruption agencies themselves, if we were to go into them one by one, we would get evidence of people themselves; the managers of the anti-corruption systems themselves, the Police Agencies, the Security Agencies, we would get evidence which are sometimes overwhelming that people, those who are in supposed to police systems are themselves practising the corrupt acts that the system was set- up to change.
    Mr Speaker, lastly, I would want to talk about us in the political class. Today, I think that it should concern and worry us that the country does not appear to differentiate. So long as you are identified as a politician, you are corrupt. Not because they know that you specifically or even the group you operate in have done anything that could be described as corrupt, but it is because we have refused or failed to give up our members who are caught in acts of corruption.
    Indeed, in this day and age, I find it most unacceptable that we could use a whole political party to support a person; one member of that class, who has been found to have engaged in acts that are corrupt or against the law.
    Like my leader, Hon Kan-Dapaah said yesterday, that when he was a Minister, if he took a bribe, he would not come and share it with the party or even his President; it would be for him. So, it is not acceptable that when one member of the
    class does anything that brings the whole class into disrepute, we tend to send the whole class to support him and allow the person's misconduct to be foisted on all of us.
    It is time those of us in the political class looked at that critically, examine ourselves, and exclude people who do acts that tend to bring the entire class into disrepute. Probably, we should name and shame them and let the world know that we do not condone that.
    Mr Speaker, the success of this NACAP would depend 100 per cent on the persons charged with the imple- mentation. This is where I challenge all of us to assist the people by constantly reminding them of the principles behind the NACAP and to continue to encourage and help to build a culture of anti- corruption ourselves so that we would have a sustained programme.
    Corruption takes away from the poor, making them poorer. It takes away the soul of the country. If you ask me, the integrity of a country is destroyed.
    Mr Emmanuel Kwasi Bandua (NDC -- Biakoye) 12:10 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this opportunity to contribute to this Motion.
    I believe strongly that we all know the insidious nature of corruption and its negative impact on society. What exactly is corruption? So far, it has been difficult to define corruption. Until we are able to effectively tackle corruption, we would not be able to define it. In fact, the World Bank has defined corruption as, and I beg to quote:
    “Abuse of public office for private gain”.
    Mr Speaker 12:10 p.m.
    Do you have a point of order?
    Ms Sarah Adwoa Safo 12:10 p.m.
    On a point of order! Mr Speaker, the Hon Member made a general statement that, it is difficult to define corruption. I would want him to clarify that because we have it in our laws. Act 29 specifically defines corruption by an officer and of an officer. So, to say that we do not have a definition for corruption, he should come again on that one.
    Mr Bandua 12:10 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that when I started, I said that there have been various definitions of corruption, so we do not have any single definition of corruption. That is why I went on to quote the various definitions of corruption that we have had so far. Mr Speaker, we are talking about the universal definition of corruption, and NACAP has defined corruption, and the Committee has defined corruption as “the abuse or misuse of office or power for parochial or private gain.”
    You would realise that when you look at all these definitions, they do not cover the entirety of the problem because somebody could have entrusted power and engage in corruption, while someone may not have it but can also engage in corruption. You may occupy a public office and engage in corruption or you
    may not occupy a public office but do the same. So, I would want to say that, if anyone abuses any opportunity for private gain, it is corruption. I believe that covers a broader area than the definitions that we have so far had.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to say that in using this definition, we must situate it within the Ghanaian context because for instance, if you are going to a chief and you send some bottles of drinks which are customary, I do not think that somebody would say that the chief is being corrupted because that is our culture. So, until, and unless we define corruption, in terms of our culture, we would even have a problem.
    Mr Speaker, the advantages that this NACAP has over others is that, a broad range of people have been engaged in crafting this document. Indeed, I was a Member of the Committee that crafted NACAP, and Hon Ambrose Dery of the previous Parliament was part of the group.
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    Mr Speaker 12:10 p.m.
    Hon Member, do you have another point of order?
    Ms Safo 12:10 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member on the other side who happens to be the Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs keeps saying that the definition of corruption is an issue. I am a Member of the Committee, the issue is not about the definition of corruption but about how we can well resource our anti-corruption bodies to be able to find a solution to corruption.
    Mr Speaker, he has specifically said that it is difficult to define corruption. Mr Speaker, the Criminal Act of Ghana, Act 29, defines what corruption is. It is about how we fight it and how we resource our anti-corruption bodies.
    Mr Speaker, so for him to keep on saying that there is no specific definition, he is misleading the House.
    Mr Speaker 12:10 p.m.
    Hon Member, if you have done any serious work in the area of anti- corruption, you would agree that broadly speaking, in generic terms, the Member is right. Maybe, you are talking about-- What type of activity do we bring under the fold of corruption. It is in that context that he is making that point. For example, if you look at the Criminal Act, we have definition for stealing and fraud. If you look at the broader terms, you may bring them under corruption.
    Again, in the same vein, there are still certain cultural practices that we do, especially, the politicians. When you are seeking votes, you would go and present gifts, drinks to the chiefs and all those things. Do you cover that under corruption or not?
    Therefore, if he is making that point in the generic sense; in terms of finding it difficult to know the kind of activity to bring under corruption; in that broad sense, he is right.
    In the very technical sense under the Criminal Act of Ghana, speaking as a lawyer, to that extent, you are also right.
    Hon Member, continue.
    Mr Bandua 12:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you.
    Indeed, like I said earlier, a broad cross section of people were involved in crafting this document, so I believe that all of us should adopt it as a document and work with it.
    Indeed, in working on this document, there have been broad consultations, there have been regional tours of which I am part of, before this document came out. So, once we all come to accept it and define what exactly we are fighting, I believe we would go a long way to resolving this problem.
    Most importantly, although the programme of action for the operationa- lization of this document is very comprehensive, I believe that all sections of the society that are involved in it must be diligent in ensuring that they carry out their part of the assignment. But without financial support, I do not think that it can be very effective. It is not only Government that is supposed to contribute money towards the operationalization of this document.
    I would urge each and every one of us who has a role to play in ensuring that we are able to operationalize this document to the extent that we fight what we think should be fought as corruption effectively.
    But most importantly, I believe that as a nation, we should know what exactly -- In fact, we should also sensitize ourselves as to know what exactly we would want as a nation. What is wrong is wrong and whatever is wrong which we may term corruption should be frowned on by each and every one of us. If we go along that line, I believe that we would go a long way to discourage people from engaging in acts that we consider corrupt.
    Last but not least, I think that charity begins at home. So, the young ones in our midst should be educated to know what is right and what is wrong so that in all their actions and activities, they do the right things so that this corruption menace would be done away with in our society.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
    Mr William O. Boafo (NPP-- Akwapim North) 12:20 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion before the House. Mr Speaker, it appears that much emphasis is being put on the need to strengthen the anti- corruption institutions and also the laws. But Mr Speaker, we have a number of laws relating to anti-corruption in this country. What appears to be the defect is the implementation of these laws.
    Instead of ensuring that these laws are implemented, we rather adopt steps to avoid the implementation; instead of enforcement it is rather the avoidance of enforcement. No matter the number of steps that we would take or the extent that we would resource these institutions, if we do not correct this attitude, we would still be swimming in this widespread corruption in the country.
    Mr Speaker, for example, if we take the Public Procurement Act, you could see that nowadays, we have a lot of sole- sourcing. Even if one goes to the petty corruption aspect, we have a lot of practice whereby machination is adopted to secure about three invoices so that one of them could be picked and the order given to the one which would be successful.
    Mr Speaker, in these things, one could see an element of corruption prevailing. This is why I am saying that instead of making sure that these things are
    implemented successfully, we rather try to avoid it.
    Mr Speaker, there is also the question of overspending under the budget. You would recall that on our side, an effort was made to criminalise the overspending by attempting to amend the Appropriation Act but we were told that we would have to rather seek an amendment under the Financial Administration Act. It is more than three years now and we have not heard anything from the Ministry of Finance and this is an era where we cannot sponsor a Private Member's Bill.
    There is the need for us to do that so that it would serve as a deterrent and people who would intend to overspend would ask themselves, if I do and they find out that it is underlined by a corrupt practice, there would be punishment for me, then they would refrain from doing that.
    Mr Speaker, another tool which would be effective for us under the plan would be when it is found out that under a particular political regime enough attention has not been paid to check corruption, then at the end of their term, we could use our thumb to change the system. But what is happening is that, we hear and know that things are not going correctly; corruption is spreading widely and it is overwhelming.
    But when it comes to the time for us to go to the polls, we would use our thumb to return the same people to power and the corruption continues.
    Mr Speaker, this is a tool which we must encourage our people to use to remove from office Governments that are unable to check corrupt practices in the country.
    Mr Speaker, the last point I would want to make is that, the Right to Information Bill has been with us for so long a period. I think if we carefully examine or review
    the Right to Information Bill, we would see that the provisions under the Bill would provide ways and means of checking corruption.
    Mr Speaker, I would urge that the Table Office or the Sector Committee, that is, the Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs Committee takes steps to ensure that the Right to Information Bill is laid before the House for our consideration and passage, so that we can also reinforce the number of laws that we believe would check corruption in the country.
    I thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
    Mr Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Last contribution then I would put the Question.
    Mr Emmanuel K. Bedzrah (NDC -- Ho Wast) 12:20 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
    I add my voice to the Motion and urge that Hon Members support it.
    Mr Speaker, corruption in this country, we all know, has been a problem to us, especially, when it comes to issues of development. Some few years ago, we heard in this country that there is going to be zero tolerance for corruption and I was thinking as a young person that there would be that zero tolerance for corruption. But along the line, we also heard that corruption has been with us since the time of Adam.
    Mr Speaker, more importantly, we have relatively young Members of Parliament in this House and I would want to urge Hon Colleagues who are below the ages of fifty to take this action plan as their own and work with it. I believe that when
    we start as youth, begin to look at corruption as something that would work against us as a nation and as young people make sure that corruption does not grow in this country, I believe we can stop corruption.
    Mr Speaker, corruption most often is attributed to politicians. Unfortunately, when you go down the line, it is rather the technocrats who indulge themselves in corrupt activities. One of the things that this action plan would do for all of us is to make sure that those who are indulged in corrupt practices would be held to account.
    Mr Speaker, I am fully for this Action Plan. I would also want to ask and urge that this House would vote a lot of resources to Commission on Human Rights and Administrative Justice (CHRAJ) so CHRAJ can do its work effectively. Without resourcing CHRAJ there would be nothing supporting this action plan. I would want to ask the Leadership of this House to make sure that the Executive gives resources to CHRAJ so that it can do its work and do it effectively.
    Mr Speaker, with these few words, I thank you.
    Mr Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Hon Members, that brings us to the end of the debate. I would now put the Question.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    The National Anti-Corruption Action Plan is accordingly adopted by this House.
    Mr Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    I direct the Clerk to forward the fact of the adoption of the Action Plan and then add the Report as well as the comments made by Members on the floor of the House to the Commission for Human Rights and Administrative Justice.
    Hon Deputy Majority Leader?
    Mr Alfred K. Agbesi 12:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, as I said earlier, Committees have been advertised to meet, the workshop for both sides of the House would continue.
    At this stage, I beg to move, that the House do adjourn to tomorrow, 10.00 o'clock in the forenoon.
    Mr Ignatius B. Awuah 12:20 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion.
    Mr Speaker 12:20 p.m.
    Hon Members, Motion moved and seconded. It is for the consideration of the House.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    ADJOURNMENT 12:20 p.m.

  • The House was accordingly adjourned at 12.33 p.m. till Friday, 4th July, 2014 at 10.00 a.m.