Debates of 5 Dec 2018

MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:04 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:04 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Members, correction of Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday, 4th December,
2018.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Mrs Cynthia M. Morrison 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, yesterday, I was in the House but I have been marked absent.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Very well. The Table Office would effect the correction.
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Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, page 11, item numbered 8, my middle name ends with an “o” not a “u”.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
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Hon Members, the Votes and Pro- ceedings of Tuesday, 4th December, 2018, as corrected be hereby adopted as the true record of proceedings.
Mr Ablakwa 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I was at the Mails Room myself. Mr Speaker knows I take keen interest in these editions of the Official Reports but I was told there was no edition of the Official Report. I have checked with a number of Colleagues, who said they did not also receive any edition of the Official Report in their mails. So if this could be crosschecked.
This is because I went there myself to find out if there was any Official Report.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Members, is that the case with all of you? This was picked from my pigeon hole and brought to my office.
In that case, I would defer the consideration of this edition of the Official Report to tomorrow, Thursday.
Hon Members, item numbered 3 -- Questions.
Hon Minister for Gender, Children and Social Protection, please take your seat first.
Question numbered 481 is in the name of Mr Yusif Sulemana, Hon Member for Bole/Bamboi.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:04 a.m.

MINISTRY OF GENDER, CHILDREN 10:04 a.m.

AND SOCIAL PROTECTION 10:04 a.m.

Minister for Gender, Children and Social Protection (Mrs Cynthia Morrison) 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Gender, Chilren and Social Protection undertook the sale of caterer application forms to prospective caterers in all the districts in July 2017.
The Ministry printed a total amount of twenty two thousand (22,000) forms and distributed to the Metropolitan, Muni- cipal and District Assemblies.
Mr Speaker, the total cost of printing the forms was one hundred and forty two thousand, one hundred and seventy five Ghana cedis (GH¢142,175.00).
Mr Speaker, the total revenue gene- rated from the sale of forms was two hundred and twenty-six thousand, one hundred Ghana cedis (GH¢226,100.00).
Consequently, it must be emphasised that under the Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection, the Ghana School Feeding Programme made a significant excess of eighty three thousand, nine hundred and twenty five Ghana Cedis (GH¢83,925.00).
Mr Sulemana 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to find out from the Minister the cost per form.
Thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Member, calculate it yourself. She has given you the figure and the numbers. If you have another question, please ask. [Laughter.]
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Mr Sulemana 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to find out whether those who purchased these forms were issued receipts?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister, did they issue receipts for the sale of the forms?
Mrs Morrison 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it was sold at the District Assemblies, and I believe that they were given receipts.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Mr Sulemana 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to find out from the Hon Minister, whether the amount of GH¢83,925 was captured in the 2017 Budget Statement under their Internally Generated Funds
(IGF)?
Mrs Morrison 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I do not know about that, but I would find out and let him know. The Hon Member did not state that in his request, otherwise, I would have found that out.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member, your last question.
Mr Sulemana 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, is the Hon Minister telling this House that she does not know what constituted their Internally Generated Funds for 2017?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Member, the Hon Minister was not the Hon Minister for that Ministry in 2017. She was sworn in only a few days ago, so she says she would find out and tell you.

that she inherited both assets and liabilities, and it is not possible to go back and inquire from my sister who was there before her. So I thought that all Questions were supposed to be addressed to her.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Member, she said that she would find out and tell you.
Mr Sulemana 10:04 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Ellembelle?
Mr Emmanuel Armah-Kofi Buah 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, this is a follow- up question on the Question that was asked.
Mr Speaker, I would want to know if the Hon Minister could confirm whether the Ministry's 2018 Budget Statement captured all their IGFs on all activities. This is not a specific question.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Member, you should ask your own question.
Mr Buah 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, generally speaking, I would want the Hon Minister to simply say whether she is very sure that all IGFs have been captured?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Member, you should file that Question, and the Hon Minister would give you the answer.
Very well, Hon Minister, you are done with the first Question.
We would move on to Question numbered 482, by the Hon Simon Acheampong Tampi, the Hon Member for Tatale/Sanguli.
Mr Alhassan Umar 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to seek your permission to ask the Question on behalf of my Hon Colleague.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Member, please proceed.
Mr Umar 10:04 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Trafficking of Children from Tatale to Nigeria and the Gulf States
Mr Alhasssan Umar On behalf of Mr Simon Acheampong Tampi asked the Minister for Gender, Children and Social Protection whether the Ministry was aware of trafficking of children from Tatale in the Northern Region to Nigeria and the Gulf States, and if so, what measures the Ministry was putting in place to curb this illegal act.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Mrs Morrison 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the mandate of the Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection is to ensure the promotion, protection and welfare of children in Ghana.
The Ministry recognises the fact that human trafficking persists in most parts of the country and the Northern Region is no exception.
In line with its mandate, the Ministry has collaborated with the Ministry of Employment and Labor Relations and non State actors in combatting the menace of human/child trafficking and child labour in the country.
The Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection, in collaboration with key stakeholders, developed and is imple- menting the Human Trafficking National Plan of Action (HTNPA).
The HTNPA provides various objectives to tackle the menace. One of which is to prevent human trafficking. The Ministry is therefore raising awareness and undertaking various sensitisation programmes in some districts.
Awareness raising/ IE&C materials have been produced and are being distributed as means to sensitise the population. The human trafficking secretariat under the Ministry has taken various opportunities on radio and television to discuss the dangers of human/child trafficking.
Mr Speaker, the Ministry also uses the World Day against Trafficking in Persons which falls on 30th July every year to join the rest of the world to commemorate the day with community durbars to deal with various trafficking issues in different communities. Sensitisation durbars happened recently in Sege in Ada West, and Afram Plains North.
The Ministry supported six regions in July 2017, to commemorate the World Day against Human/Child Trafficking and the Department of Social Welfare in the Northern Region collaborated with the Tampi Sanguli District to undertake a sensitisation programme on child/ trafficking.
Our further action will be to collaborate with the Anti Human Trafficking Unit of the Police Service to investigate this matter in collaboration with Nigeria Trafficking in Persons Unit.
In addition, as part of efforts to address the menace of human trafficking in affected districts, the Ministry sensitised all MMDCEs, except in the Eastern and Volta Regions, on the dangers of human/ child trafficking and what they can do to help fight the menace. I am sure the MMDCEs are living up to their roles to support the fight.
Mr Speaker,the Ministry in its recent Livelihood Empowerment Against Poverty (LEAP) expansion programme also targeted trafficking prone communities and is thus enrolling such poor households on the LEAP Programme since one of the major causes of child trafficking is poverty in the Northern Regions. It is a condition that households covered by LEAP are not to engage their children in child trafficking and or child labour but to enroll and maintain them in school.
In this regard, the MoGCSP is committed to ensuring that children of school-going age in the Northern Region who are on the LEAP are in school to prevent them from being trafficked or involved in child labour.
Ghana is aware of the issues of young ladies migrating to the Gulf States. It is for this reason that in collaboration with Anti Human Trafficking Unit (AHTU) of the Police and the Ghana Immigration Service, several sensitisation programmes have been taking place.
In 2017, the Minister for Employment and Labour Relations (MOELR) banned the travel of our young women through the Kotoka International Airport to the Gulf region, all in a bid to fight the menace. Ghana Immigration Service also prevented 215 young women from using unapproved routes in the Eastern frontier to travel through Togo to the Gulf.
Presently, the MOELR is working to streamline the procedures for young women to migrate properly to work in the Gulf States.
Mr Speaker, it is my hope that the Hon Member of Parliament for the Tatale/ Sanguli will support my HT Secretariat next year to organise a bigger and aggressive sensitisation programme in his constituency to raise awareness on the
Mr Umar 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, would the Hon Member be kind enough to tell us how many young girls have been trafficked in for the district?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:04 a.m.
Hon Minister, do you have any information to that effect?
Mrs Morrison 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I cannot say specifically how many young girls have been trafficked. I would be so grateful if he could furnish me with it since he is the Hon Member of Parliament for that Constituency.
Mr Umar 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you, I am satisfied.
Mr Ablakwa 10:04 a.m.
Mr Speaker, my question to the Hon Minister has to do with official statistics on this human trafficking menace. I would want to know from the Hon Minister if they have any official statistics on it so that it could guide this House on how we respond to this challenge?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Member, the Question was specifically on the Tatale/Sanguli Constituency, so it cannot be extended beyond that District.
Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I take it that you suggest I need to file a substantive Question.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Member, if you so desire, but if you have a question which relates to Tatale/Sanguli, I would be glad to admit it.
Mr Ablakwa 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in relation to this, in the last paragraph of the Hon Minister's Answer, the stakeholders that have been listed, conspicuously missing is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration. I wonder why the Ministry of Gender, Children and Social Protection did not consider the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration as an important stakeholder to address this issue?
Mr Speaker, I would want to know if there is a particular reason for that.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Minister, why is the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration not a stakeholder stated in your Answer?
Mrs Morrison 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I mentioned it in the Answer. I would look for it and let the Hon Member know.
Mr Emmanuel Bedzra 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, with your permission, I beg to quote the second paragraph on page 3 of the Hon
Minister's Answer. She said 10:50 a.m.
In addition, as part of efforts to address the menace of human trafficking present in affected districts, the Ministry sensitised all MMDCEs except in the Eastern and Volta Regions
Mr Speaker, I would want to find out from the Hon Minister when the MMDCEs from the Eastern and Volta Regions would also be sensitised?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Minister, why did you leave out the MMDCE's from the Eastern and Volta Regions?
Mrs Morrison 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is because they are the regions with most of the trafficking issues and so, there is a special programme for them. I would let the Hon Member know when I would be in the regions and together with the Hon Members of Parliament, we would have it done.
Mr Abdul-Aziz 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, with your permission, I beg to quote paragraph 4 on page 3 of the Hon Minister in her Answer. She said:
‘'… the Minister of Employment and Labour Relations banned the travel of our young women through the Kotoka International Airport to the Gulf region all in a bid to fight the menace''.
Mr Speaker, I would want to know if the Hon Minister recognises that some of the young girls could be traveling for legitimate business and that they having a blanket attempt to ban all girls who travel to the Gulf would not be fair to those who travel for legitimate business?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Member, your Question was that some young women may travel for legitimate business.
Mr Abdul-Aziz 10:50 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. It could be for purposes of education.
Mrs Morrison 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I did not say that we banned all people travelling,
it was a specific number. Anybody traveling has documents as to what he or she is going to do. So if one cannot prove what he or she is going to do, then that person could be banned because he or she is a citizen of Ghana.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Minister, thank you for attending upon the House --
Sorry, yes, Hon Minority Leader?
Mr Iddrisu 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the timely notice.
Mr Speaker, this is a constituency - specific Question, but once Hon Ministers appear before us, they have the opportunity to outline Government policy in dealing with matters.
I would want to know whether the Hon Minister is aware that the solution to all these matters of human trafficking and the engagement of young ladies lies in a Domestic Workers Regulations -- a dedicated domestic workers legal regime. Would she work on such legislation with her Hon Colleague, the Hon Minister for Employment and Labour Relations?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
I allowed this question only because it came from an Hon Leader.
Mrs Morrison 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, once he is an Hon Leader, he would be consulted and I would make sure we work on it together with the Hon Minister for Employment and Labour Relations.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.
Hon Minority Leader, do you know why I did not recognise you? You move around so often, and I cannot tell when you want to ask a question or make a contribution. So I am sorry.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:50 a.m.


Hon Minister, thank you for attending upon the House to Answer the Questions. You are discharged.

Hon Members, I have admitted three Statements, but the first two Statements would not attract comments. It is the last Statement that would attract comments from other Hon Members.

I would start with a joint Statement by Hon Bernice Adiku Heloo and Hon Rockson-Nelson Dafeamekpor to mark the celebration of Gbidukorza, 2018.
STATEMENTS 10:50 a.m.

Dr Bernice Adiku Heloo (NDC -- Hohoe) 10:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I rise to make this joint Statement with Hon Rockson-Nelson Dafeamekpor, the MP for South Dayi, to mark the celebration of Gbidukorza, 2018.
Mr Speaker, I would like to begin by paying homage to the paramount chiefs of the Gbi State namely, Togbega Gabusu VI of Gbidzigbe and the Deiga Kwadzo Dei XII of Gbinyigbe, through whose able leadership we forged together for the continuous development of the Gbi State.
Mr Speaker, twenty-three years ago, a year after the re-unification of the Gbis, it was decided that an annual festival to commemorate this re-unification be instituted, and this festival has been named Gbidukorza. The festival fulfils its basic objective of bringing the Gbis closer together for the purposes of development and unity.
Since its commencement in 1995, Gbidukorza continues to play a major role in fostering not only unity but also a sense of purpose for the two paramount areas.
Mr Speaker, this year's theme for the celebration is “Consolidating Two De- cades of Gbidukor Unity for Accelerated Development”. It is a clarion call for the Gbis to ensure that the unification is exploited further for positive impact on the Gbi State for accelerated development.
Mr Speaker, the main activities of this year's celebrations will last for four days.
These are however preceded by the launch of the festival, inter-schools quiz competition, football gala, health-walk, talent night, marathon and cycling, midweek tour, clean-up exercise, welcome float, cooking and food bazaar.
The main events which will take place at Hohoe (Gbidzigbe) are as follows:
Friday, 7th December, 2018 - Miawoezor (welcome ceremony).
Saturday, 8th December, 2018- grand durbar of chiefs and people; and a beauty pageant.
Sunday, 9th December, 2018- Thanksgiving Church Service; football gala finals between Hohoe and Peki; Gbidukor ball and unity concert; after party Jams and boborfest
Monday, 10th December, 2018- Gbidukor development meetings, to be followed by departure formalities.
Mr Speaker, may I use this opportunity to thank our sponsors such as Guinness Ghana Breweries Ltd, the Bank of Ghana and many other philanthropic organi- sations for their support. This year's celebration promises a display of our rich culture, hospitality and history as a people. On this note, I extend my warmest
invitation to this august House and the people of Ghana, both young and old, to join us celebrate this year's Gbidukorza.
Thank you, Mr Speaker for the opportunity.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Very well.
Now, I will invite the Hon Deputy Minister for Aviation, Hon Kwabena Okyere Darko-Mensah to make a Statement.
International Civil Aviation Day
Deputy Minister for Aviation (Mr Kwabena Okyere Darko-Mensah on behalf of the Minister for Aviation): Mr Speaker, this is a Statement by the Hon Minister for Aviation, Hon Joseph Kofi Adda, to mark the International Civil Aviation Day, 2018.
Mr Speaker, 7th December is a globally observed historical day occasioned by the United Nations (UN) to mark the International Civil Aviation (ICA) Day dubbed “Flyday”.
In 1994, the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) established the day to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the organisation. The UN General Assembly proclaimed it as the Inter- national Civil Aviation Day in 1996.
The annual event aims to generate and reinforce global awareness of the importance of international civil aviation in social and economic development. The day also commemorates ICAO's role in promoting the safety, efficiency and regularity of international air transport.
Aviation contributes immensely, worldwide, to increasing consumer
benefits and choices, creating jobs, and stimulating tourism and trade.
The increased connectivity that it delivers leads to further re-investment in aviation, creating a healthy cycle of aviation development and economic prosperity in those countries and regions which set out suitable planning and investment commitments.
Ghana, as a member State, recognises the significant impact of aviation activities on economic and social development and therefore the importance of the day.
We share a common interest in maximising aviation benefits, and reaffirm our commitment towards creating an enabling economic environment, and raising political willingness to mainstream and reflect the priorities of the aviation sector in the global, regional and national agenda.
Theme for the celebration
Mr Speaker, the theme for this year's celebration is “Working Together to Ensure No Country is Left Behind”.
The “No Country Left Behind” policy is an initiative of ICAO to assist member States in implementing its Standards And Recommended Practices (SARP) to help ensure that its implementation is better harmonised globally so that all States have access to the significant socio-economic benefits of safe and reliable air transport.
It is also to reinforce the unique role of ICAO in helping member States to cooperate and realise a truly global rapid transit network at the service of all mankind.
There are still some large discrepancies with respect to how some member States implement the SARP and this policy is expected to help bridge the gap.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Hon Members, I would now invite the Hon Minister for Agriculture to make the last Statement for the day after which I would invite Hon Members to make their contributions.
Yes, Hon Minister for Agriculture?
Celebration of 34th National Farmers Day
Minister for Agriculture (Dr Owusu Afriyie Akoto) 11 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you exceedingly for the opportunity to brief this august House on the celebration of this year's National Farmers' Day. As by law determined, the occasion will be commemorated on Friday, 7th December; a national holiday.
The President of the Republic and best friend of the farmer, will grace the occasion with his distinguished presence.
In keeping with the principle of rotating the venue for National Farmers' Day celebrations on regional basis, this year's event will be hosted by the Northern Region at the Alhaji Aliu Mahama Sports Stadium in the capital city of Tamale.
As was the case in 2017, the celebration will include a week-long exhibition and trade fair which started last Friday, 30th November, 2018. The fair will extend to the National Farmers' Day on Friday, 7th December as a side attraction.
It's purpose is to provide a platform for key actors in the agricultural sector to interact on issues of common interest, share information and avail themselves of the opportunity to learn about new developments on the agricultural front.
The fair is so structured that each Region will have the opportunity to showcase its rich endowment and its diversity of agricultural resources and potential. The regions will also have an opportunity to infuse a flavour of culture to animate the occasion and encourage patronage from the general public.
Let me assure this august house, Mr Speaker, that all is set for the National Farmers' Day. A lot of hardwork has gone into the preparations to ensure a successful celebration. Among others, a competent team of agricultural pro- fessionals with a wealth of knowledge, experience and integrity was put together to travel the entire length and breadth of Ghana for first-hand information, and to subject eligible famers to strict scrutiny in accordance with agreed criteria.
At all levels of awards therefore namely; national, regional and district, I can confidently report that the best and most deserving farmers will be awarded on the D-day.
Mr Speaker, the theme for this year's celebration is ‘‘Agriculture 11 a.m.
Moving Ghana Beyond Aid''. It is very relevant and appropriate because it reflects the premium placed on agriculture by the current Government, and by implication, the farmer, who is the focus and target of Government's policies and programmes.
It is an undeniable fact that since assuming office in 2017, Government has more than demonstrated its avowed commitment to changing the face of Ghana's agriculture.
Planting for Food and Jobs, the initiative that kick started the transformation agenda in the first year of the administration, has so far been a resounding success. The evidence is there for all to see. There is no
part of Ghana that has not been touched by the success story in terms of the abundant food production.
Just by the master stroke of rolling out the PFJ campaign, the farmers of this country have their hopes revived given the high yields of their farms and interventions that have been put in place by Government to ensure the expected returns.
Notable is the role being played by Licensed Buying Companies contracted by the National Buffer Stock company to buy food stuff at the farm gate at economic prices.
Mr Speaker, the PFJ rolled out in 2017 focused on the development of selected crops. This was only the beginning. In line with government's objective of addressing the problems of agriculture comprehen- sively, additional modules are set to be rolled out in 2019.
These modules will focus on tree crop development under the Planting for Export and Rural Development (PERD) programme, vegetable production and green house village livestock development under the Rearing for Food and Jobs Programme and Mechanisation.
Parallel to these are other interventions in the areas of irrigation, agric financing under the Ghana Incentive Based Risk- Sharing System of Agricultural Lending (GIRSAL) and the Commodity Exchange Initiative to address systematic failures into marketing of agricultural commodities among others.
All these interventions inspire hope and point to the fact that the National Farmers' Day will this year be celebrated with greater meaning and not just to honour farmers and fishers with awards, as has been repeatedly done in the past.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11 a.m.
Very well.
Hon Members, we may now hear your comments.
Hon Member for North Tongu?
Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa (NDC -- North Tongu) 11:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, kindly permit me to commend the Hon Minister for Agriculture for taking time off his busy schedule to deliver this very important Statement to mark this year's National Farmers' Day Celebration.
Mr Speaker, we all know that National Farmers' Day was instituted by the Provisional National Defence Council's (PNDC) Government led by Chairman Jerry John Rawlings and we must commend all successive Presidents after him for maintaining this very important cele- bration.
On this day, we pay tribute to former President Kufuor who came after him; former President Mills, former President Mahama and also President Nana Addo- Dankwa Akufo-Addo, who is not only continuing with the tradition, but as the Hon Minister informs us, he would be joining the farmers and good people of this country in Tamale to mark the day.
Mr Speaker, any enterprise that has the majority of our population actively engaged in is not something we should toy with or get partisan about. It is said that, at least, 64 per cent of the population are actively engaged in agriculture. The overwhelming majority of our people are farmers.
Mr Speaker --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Yes, Hon Member for Akim Oda?
Mr Quaittoo 11:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to correct some impression here. The Hon Member says 64 per cent of the population --
It is not 64 per cent of the population of Ghana but rather of the working population. They are two different things.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Very well, take note and proceed.
Mr Ablakwa 11:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. I take note and I am guided. He is the expert in the field.
Mr Speaker, so 64 per cent of the working population is a very significant number and we cannot downplay the importance of that number. I believe it is not for nothing that article 36 of our Constitution under economic objectives states and with your permission I quote:
“The State shall take all necessary action to ensure that the national economy is managed in such a manner as to maximise the rate of economic development and to secure the maximum welfare, freedom and happiness of every person in Ghana and to provide adequate means of livelihood and suitable employment and public assistance to the needy.”
Mr Speaker, with your permission, clause 5 of article 36 also reads 11:20 a.m.
“For the purposes of the foregoing clauses of this article, within two years after assuming office, the President shall present to Parlia- ment a co-ordinated programme of economic and social development policies, including agricultural and industrial programmes at all levels and in all the regions of Ghana.”
Mr Speaker, our Constitution recognises the importance of agriculture and we do know that President Akufo- Addo has already presented to this House his development programme under this provision of the Constitution.
Mr Speaker, but reading the 2019 Budget Statement and Economic Policy of Government, relative to the theme of this year's celebration, “Agriculture: Moving Ghana Beyond Aid”, it is a very important theme.
The 2019 Budget Statement and Economic Policy of Government reveals to us that the President's flagship policy of “Ghana beyond Aid” is still in the works and the Budget Statement tells us that there would be stakeholder consultation, which is great.
We are all, as Members of Parliament, looking forward to participating in that consultation. My only plea would be to let the process be expedited so that we could quickly have a blueprint for Ghana beyond Aid so that when we talk about it we would all know exactly what we mean and when we want to get there; what the various benchmarks are.
Mr Speaker, key to this discussion has to do with the matter of subsidies. If Ghana must move beyond aid, it means that we should be able to support our farmers.
Our farmers must take their rightful place, and farming must no longer be looked down upon. Graduates of our universities and other tertiary institutions should not think that farming is a reserve for those who are not as educated as they are.
We need a mind-set change and we need to find the resources to support agriculture to make sure that we put our moneys where our mouths are. Other
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:20 a.m.
Hon Asafu- Adjei?
Mr Kwame Asafu-Adjei (NPP-- Nsuta-Kwamang-Beposo) 11:30 a.m.
I thank you Mr Speaker.
I would first like to commend the Ministry for including cotton in this year's Planting for Food and Jobs Programme. The fortunes of cotton production in Ghana suffered major decline over the years due to both internal and external factors.
Mr Speaker, our neighbours, Burkina Faso and the Mali are doing very well in the area of cotton production. I know Ghana could do better than what our neighbours are doing.
Mr Speaker, because of non-availability of support for the cotton industry, that is why we have found a way in this manner --I am of the view that with the introduction of suitable technology and better planning for our local farmers and the injection of the necessary working capital, within five years, I am convinced that Ghana would be a major cotton exporter.
Mr Speaker, we all need to support the Ministry. As it has already been said, food is life. The only way that we can live, as Ghanaians, is to produce enough and also export some. The theme, “Agriculture: Moving Ghana Beyond Aid”, would be a mirage if all resources are not put or injected into the agricultural sector.
At this juncture, I would urge the Ministry of Finance to inject more money into this sector because it is the only sector we call our own; oil and gold are not our own. Cocoa, the mainstay of this economy, is our own -- one hundred per cent of whatever money we earn from cocoa stays in Ghana.
Mr Speaker, the issue of land has also become a problem. If we want to move agriculture and Ghana beyond aid, land is an inevitable requirement for farming. In the past, a lot of land encouraged shifting cultivation and other extensive land use practices.
Lately, population pressure and declining soil fertility have made agricultural land scarce and difficult to acquire. In some places, conflicts exist between plant and livestock farming as well as other land use activities such as mining and logging. There is insecurity of land tenure, especially in long-term ventures such as tree cropping and livestock production.
Land fertility continues to decline. The cost of land acquisition and development has become increasingly high. Without any intervention, land productivity would continue to decline with time, and there would be decreased investment in agriculture. In areas where agricultural lands are scarce, parts of forest reserves should be released for both arable farming and tree cropping.
Mr Speaker, I cannot end my support to the Ministry without touching on fisheries. It is estimated that on an average, the marine fishery sector contributes between 1.5 per cent and 1.7 per cent of agricultural Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Thus, it makes it one of the most important sectors of the Ghanaian economy.
In spite of the economic importance of the sector, production of marine captured fishes has declined since the mid 1990s from almost 420,000 tonnes to 202,000 tonnes in just over two decades, with its accompanying revenue losses in the sector, besides leaving a huge deficit that is filled with the imports of fish and fish products.
Mr Asafu-Adjei 11:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, there is the need to look at the illegal miner and the way people explore the fishing industry. Ghana Beyond Aid is a reality. We should all support the Government, as it has already been said, in the area of -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Hon Member, I thought you were on your feet. Is it on a point of order?
Mr Muniru 11:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would just want to know if the Hon Member on his feet is reading another Statement or reacting to the Statement that was presented?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:30 a.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order. [Laughter.]
Hon Member, conclude.
Mr Asafu-Adjei 11:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, Friday is National Famers' Day and we should encourage farmers to produce more. This interruption would not help. [Laughter.]
Mr Speaker, I would like to end by saying ayekoo to the Ministry of Agriculture, our gallant farmers and fishermen, and to the Government for the initiation of the Planting for Food and Jobs programme.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:30 a.m.
I would want to give the opportunity to those who do not speak often.
Mr Alexander Roosevelt Hottordze (NDC-- Central Tongu) 11:30 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
Mr Speaker, I would want to commend the Hon Minister for the Statement.
It is a fact that agriculture is the mainstay of this economy. Despite the fact that this realisation has been there all these years, the truth is that most of our youth shy away from agriculture.
So I would want to suggest that apart from making efforts to modernise the sector for the youth to be involved, there would be the need for us to also ensure that we embark on public education in order to change the perception of the youth towards agriculture.
Mr Speaker, in the Manifesto of the National Democratic Congress (NDC), during the 2016 elections, there was an effort to ensure that agriculture was made attractive to the youth through the Farm Services Centres that the Government would have created.
We would have brought in more tractors, fast growing seeds and all other things to be deposited at the various districts, so that the youth would be educated about the prospects in agriculture and they would be involved in it. Unfortunately, this could not come to pass.
So I would want to entreat the current Government to ensure that through the Planting for Food and Jobs programme, they should also include public education to ensure that the perception of the youth about agriculture is removed for this country to move forward.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Abraham Odoom (NPP-Twifo Attimorkwa) 11:40 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to commend the Hon Minister for Agriculture for such an important message.
Like previous Hon Members who spoke, I would also like to salute our able farmers for how far they have brought us.
Mr Speaker, when we look at the Budget Statement and Government Financial Policy, 2019, it is important for the House to note or take a good look at an evolution of business and value chain models so far as our agriculture is concerned.
We would all recall that the President campaigned on a promise to change from a Guggisberg economy to a modern economy. This is exactly what has evolved in agriculture now. It is important that the various value chain models, as Hon Okudzeto Ablakwa alluded to, are to be taken cognisance of, be deepened and spread out to cover all agricultural crops.
Why do I say that? Recently, I was at the launch of a Public Private Partnership (PPP) model that the Hon Minister for Agriculture happened to have launched at the Labadi Beach Hotel.

In that project, he sought that a consortium of stakeholders would ensure that in three years, Ghana is going to be out of rice importation and I believe that this has been long overdue.

Mr Speaker, we have spoken for far too long on the fact that Ghana and Africa have potentials but here is a Government that is going beyond potentials by making sure that it becomes a reality. It is important that the House takes note and supports such a Minister and President.

Mr Speaker, I was at the great debate in Kigali when the President of Ghana made a very emphatic statement that he

had brought into the vision of transforming agriculture in Ghana and for the matter, the whole of Africa. I believe that vision is a shared vision, not for him alone but for the whole of Africa and we must commend him for that.

I am sure the evolution of value chain and business modules is going to be an answer for the participation of the youth in agriculture. This is because here, the Ministry is looking at mechanising agriculture so that it will no more be done by the old hoe and cutlass approach.

Three days ago, I was at the National Theatre for Mondelez International Cocoa Life Ghana Awards Dinner. I was so excited that a young man, who right from the University of Cape Coast, is now making it big in agriculture.

That is why I am so excited that such moments that we are saluting our farmers, we take note of such evolution and as a House, consolidate it and give the maximum support to the Ministry, so that at the end of the day, we will make agriculture so attractive to the youth, to bring to reality their participation in agriculture.

Mr Speaker, with these few words, I thank you for the opportunity. Hear! Hear!
Dr Augustine Tawiah (NDC -- Bia West) 11:40 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is indeed wonderful that the people of Ghana will celebrate our farmers for the incredible work of feeding our country and the produce that they grow from this country and export globally especially, our cocoa.
For us in Bia West, it is a wonderful occasion to really celebrate them. As we get to the 34th celebration, my constituency has produced two best farmers; Nana Afful Kwao was the best farmer in the year 1993 and Nana Bonsu in the year 2001. This is a
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:40 a.m.
Hon Minister for Employment and Labour Relations?
Minister for Employment and Labour Relations (Mr Ignatius Baffour Awuah) 11:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank the Hon Member who made the Statement and to also add my voice to the many expressions made by my earlier Hon Colleagues in commending Government for instituting a day in honour of farmers in this country.
Mr Speaker, I would want to draw our attention to the role of agriculture in our nation building. Indeed, until recently, the
agricultural sector used to be the number one contributor to the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Ghana.
Of course, there are so many edifices in this country that are the results of prominent people who invested in the agricultural sector. Agriculture has from day one also been the number one contributor to jobs in Ghana and indeed, before independence, agriculture contributed more than 60 per cent of jobs in the country.
Mr Speaker, in our post-independence era, and especially relating to the 1990's and beyond, the agricultural sector's contribution to GDP has actually come down and it is now the third largest contributor to our GDP, behind industry and the service sector.
That notwithstanding, agriculture still continues to be the number one provider of jobs; about 40 per cent while in terms of contribution to GDP, it provides around 20 per cent.
What it means is that we have more people working within the agricultural sector but their total output is very low, and that perhaps explains why people who invest in that area are mostly impoverished. Mr Speaker, in my opinion, that is the more reason why when celebrating Farmer's Day, we may have to have a second look at the way we want to have our agricultural progress. This is because what is evident now is that farmer holdings are becoming small.

In the past, one person could have as much as a 100 acre land for cocoa, citrus or any other product. But now, one person may not have the luxury of a huge land

size. Mr Speaker, but we could still make up for the loss in terms of land size by adapting to modern agricultural practices and increase yield per acre so that in terms of income, we would still be able to make the same income, otherwise, the people who are engaged in this area would continue to be poor.

Mr Speaker, I also want to draw the Hon Minister's attention to the issue of agriculture financing which is very core to the agricultural business in general.

The Agricultural Development Bank (ADB) was set up basically to help finance agriculture, but if we look at the portfolio of ADB, we would notice that they are gradually migrating from their core business of providing financing for the agricultural sector to some other areas.

Of course, when we interrogate them they sometimes assign reasons that it is very difficult to recover loans that are given for agricultural production. Even in the limited cases where they do financing of agriculture, we would notice that most of the financing goes to either the processing or marketing aspect of agriculture.

Though it is good, it is not to the core of production and so, I would want to urge the Hon Minister to focus more on agriculture financing, and where possible get ADB to be committed to this core mandate, because until we produce, there is no way we can process or market.

Mr Speaker, I am very convinced that the future of this country could better be achieved if we put more focus on agriculture, because we have a comparative advantage in the agricultural sector.

That is why I would applaud the Hon Minister, and to a larger extent, His Excellency the President for the core investments that
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Very well.
I would admit a contribution each from either Side and bring the --
Hon Suhuyini?
Mr Suhuyini Alhassan Sayibu (NDC -- Tamale North) 11:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to contribute to the Statement that has been ably made by the Hon Minister for Agriculture.
First of all, I wish to commend the Hon Minister for the Statement and to also commend successive governments for holding on to this brilliant concept of celebrating our farmers since it started with prizes such as wellington boots, machetes and radio sets up to the previous winner who went home with about US$100,000 worth of a three bedroom house.
Mr Speaker, I believe that it is also important that we send our tons of gratitude and commendation to corporate Ghana for their continuous support to the recognition of our farmers.
Indeed, agriculture is not only the backbone of this economy, it is also the backbone of our existence as human beings, so it is important that we reserve a day within a year to recognise the contributions of those who make it possible for our economy to thrive and for our lives in general.
Mr Speaker, therefore it is important that a discussion surrounding the recognition and the celebration of farmers is not coloured with partisanship, but it would be motivated by the need to see how best we could improve the lot of our farmers to continue to produce what is much needed for the growth of the human being and the nation at large.
It is in this light that I would call our attention to the need for us as a nation to pay particular attention to some existing threats to the production of our farmers.
Mr Speaker, one is the unbridled importation of foreign food items such as poultry. Poultry farmers remain impo- verished and are threatened by the unbridled importation of poultry, so it is important that as we celebrate our farmers, we also institute policies and implement them to protect these local producers of poultry so that theycould grow, create employment and supply the nutritious needs of our homes.
Mr Speaker, again, environmental degradation is a serious threat to farming in this country and Ghana has the unenviable record of being one of the countries with the highest rate of deforestation and this must be of concern to all of us. We know the contribution of
the vegetation to the viability of agriculture, so as we celebrate farmers, there is the need for us to also pay attention to the environmental challenges that continue to militate against the growth of agriculture in this country.
It is in this light that I would wish that there is continuous collaboration between the Ministry of Agriculture, Ministry of Environment, Science, Technology and Innovation and the Forestry Commission so that together they could see how our environment would be preserved for the appropriate agriculture practices to continue.
Mr Speaker, another issue of concern to our farmers as we celebrate them today is the non-existence of adequate extension officers. We are told by the Ministry of Agriculture that the ratio of extension officers to the farmers in this country is about 1: 1,500, but a recent survey by SEND Ghana, a Foundation that deals with peasant farmers actually puts the figure at 1 : 3,000 farmers and I believe that is of concern.
If we want to actually show how much we care about our farmers then there is the need for us to improve upon the extension services that we give them. Mr Speaker, I would commend the Ministry for the latest recruitment of about 1,200 extension officers, but that is a drop in the ocean because we need to do more.
Mr Speaker, again, in the selection process, I received a number of complaints and I was at my Municipal Assembly celebration of the farmers --
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Hon Deputy Minister, what is the matter, because you are being con- gratulated?
Mr Oduro 11:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to correct the Hon Member. The recruitment is 2,700 and not 1,200 as he said.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Is the recruitment concluded or ongoing?
Mr Oduro 11:50 a.m.
Mr Speaker, it is ongoing. The 1,200 that he spoke about was for the national service personnel.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:50 a.m.
Very well.
It is important for Hon Members to know. Hon Member, just correct your records.
Mr Sayibu noon
Mr Speaker, I stand corrected. I was actually referring to the Hon Minister's own budget of 2017 where the 1,200 was quoted.
If it has been updated then I stand corrected. But the point I want to make is that it still does not address the issue of one extension officer to about 1,500 farmers or in the case of SEND-Ghana Foundation; one extension officer to about 3,000 farmers.
It is still an issue that has to be addressed and the recruitment of 3,000 would even be inadequate in addressing the situation that is at hand.
Mr Speaker, I was at my Municipal Assembly for the celebration of this year's National Farmers Day and because it would be held in Tamale, the Sagnarigu Municipality decided to celebrate theirs earlier.
Mr First Deputy Speaker noon
Hon Akwasi Gyamfi, you have the last one and the Leaders would come in.
Yes, Hon Emmanuel Akwasi Gyamfi, the Hon Member for Odotobri?
Mr Emmanuel Akwasi Gyamfi (NPP -- Odotobri) noon
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, I would also want to contribute to the Statement and commend the Hon Minister for Agriculture for coming to this House to make this Statement. We are very much aware of the benefits of agriculture to our dear nation. We are also very much aware of the challenges that confront the agricultural sector.
We have made mention of the contribution to Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which we are very much aware of as one that we need in order to move our economy forward.
Again, Mr Speaker, earlier contributors have talked about the employment that this sector gives to our people, which is very important.
Mr Speaker, the other challenges have also been enumerated by earlier contributors. For instance, agricultural financing is one of the most important things that we should look at as a nation. Marketing is also another important issue; storage facilities and extension services. The land tenure systems that operate in Ghana do not allow farmers to have large tracts of land to go into commercial farming.
These are all issues that we know as a nation, but my worry is; what have we done to correct some of these challenges? I believe we have said so much as a nation; we have promised so much as a nation, but we need to take action now. We should start to walk the talk.
Mr Speaker, it is important that on this note I commend H. E. the President Nana Addo Dankwa Akufo-Addo and our able Hon Minister for Agriculture for the bold initiatives that they have brought on board, especially the Planting for Food and Jobs. We are very much aware of this particular initiative; the support that farmers are getting. However, if these farmers continue to produce, what would be the fate of their produce?
Mr Speaker, the Government has also initiated the warehousing projects being sponsored by the Ministry of Special Development Initiatives to also take care of this particular challenge.
Mr Speaker, the One District One Factory Programme is also another initiative that would help our farmers. Their produce would get ready market. From the Ministry of Trade and Industry and the
Secretariat for the One District, One Factory Programme, we are told that with the factories that would come on board, about 60 per cent of those industries would be for agro-processing. This I believe if we are able to support Government to roll out the One District, One Factory initiative, these challenges that we have with agriculture in terms of storage facilities which are not readily available would be alleviated. I believe that when we are able to implement most of the initiatives that Government has put across, we can say that we as a nation have supported agriculture and our able farmers, and we can use agriculture as a vehicle to enhance the economic development of our people.
As has already been said, almost 64 per cent of our working population are engaged in agriculture. If we do not do much to bring this huge percentage of our working force in agriculture out of poverty then we are not doing much.
I believe the farmers who are going to receive awards, the awards are not only for them but for all farmers in Ghana. I believe Hon Members here can also support Government to roll out most of the initiatives that Government has already started.
Mr Speaker, in my constituency, I have also supported the celebration of this noble idea, that we need to celebrate our farmers so that they would be encouraged and motivated. As earlier contributors have said, agriculture is not a punishment. I and my family are purely into agriculture. If we give most of our farmers the needed support, we would be able to move this country forward.
Mr Speaker, there is one initiative that Government rolled out; the Ghana Commodity Exchange Project. This is also
Mr First Deputy Speaker noon
The last one would go to the Leaders and then I would
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Alhaji Muntaka 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the complaint from the ladies is that none of the female Hon Members has spoken --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
It is not gender bias so please, let us take the Hon Leaders now.
Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka (NDC -- Asawase) 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, let me take the opportunity to once again congratulate our farmers for all their efforts in feeding us and giving us cash crops that help our economy and all the sacrifices that they put in to make our country's food secured.
Let me also once again thank the Hon Minister for coming to the House to make this commemorative Statement to remind all of us about the efforts that our farmers put in and the sacrifices that they keep putting in to ensure that our country is food secured.
Mr Speaker, this celebration has happened year-in-year-out. I sincerely believe that whereas we keep making efforts, they do not yield the needed results. I say this because in a work done by one of our compatriots called Gobind Nakani, his thesis clearly shows that in 1981, there were more poor people in China than in Africa.
By 1981, almost 50 per cent of those poor people had been moved out of poverty and by 2004, they had moved approximately 500 million people out of poverty. Within the same period, Africa had 130 million people who moved below the poverty line.
Mr Speaker, China was able to do this using agriculture. One of the things that they did was to see farming as a pro-poor development initiative. There were a number of things that they did: they saw poverty as a crisis so they needed to provide political leadership reforms and most importantly, a supportive condition.
Mr Speaker, I would want to focus my contribution on the supportive condition. It is close to impossible for one to have agriculture as a business in our country without huge Government intervention be it road, seeds, marketing and a number of items. One would definitely need support.
Recently, I tried to irrigate my farm which is just about 100 acres. I brought in Ingreen, a company that does irrigation, and when they did the estimates, I required US$40,000 just to irrigate and this does not include the water body that I
had already invested in and had, but just the pipeline to irrigate the farm required US$40,000. By the rate today, we are talking about almost GH¢200,000.
Mr Speaker, how many farmers in our country can afford this? We need to look at the inputs and how to exempt them from some of the taxes to support the farmers. For the peasant farmers, they are the most pitied. One of the things that frustrate - and I keep saying this year in year out -- and I would want the Hon Minister to take a bold step in this direction.
Mr Speaker, just take maize production for example. From cultivation to planting to fertiliser application, everything is measured but when it comes to selling the produce, it is not measured. 90 per cent of our produce are sold in the open market and they are not measured. The market women just say, let it have a cup or they use the sack in different sizes and depending on the season, there would be different prices.
Mr Speaker, this is suicidal for our farmers because whereas they put in all this effort, they become price takers. Some other people determine the price and the worst is the vegetables. Because they are perishable, once the farmers are done, they might have even agreed with a market woman over the price in the city.
When she gets to the farm, then after the farmer finishes harvesting, now she changes her mind and the farmer has no other option. It is either she takes it or allows the produce to rot.
Mr Speaker, I would want to plead with the Hon Minister. I know a lot of effort is being made. Let us help in the standardisation process. One only gets to be measured when one takes it to the
buffer stock or poultry farm, but how many of our farmers can even get to either the poultry farmer or the buffer stock?
Mr Speaker, we even need to look at the prices that buffer stock gives because depending on the season, the price they give is below that of the open market. So naturally, no farmer would want to take it to the buffer stock because while the open market sells at GH¢90.00 per the maxi bag, the buffer takes it at GH¢70.00.
No farmer would be motivated to take it there but if it is standardised like it is done in South Africa and many other African countries, whether it would be in the open market or wherever, there is a scale. It is part of their law. One cannot just sell this using his eye and gauge and say that he would give the seller GH¢10.00. It has to be weighed.
Mr Speaker, I would want to plead with the Hon Minister. This is an area we need to industrialise in our farming sector by making sure that everything is measured because if I have my plantain, I do not have to bother about how many suckers I have because I know I would be paid based on the weight. If I have maize or vegetable or whatever, they would be sold based on their weight.
Mr Speaker, as it is now, if we are not careful, many of our farmers would be tempted to move into the production of cash crops because it is very frustrating. If you meet some of them that use just one or two acres or a maximum of five acres, they form the majority.
It is pitiful and I would want the Hon Minister, if for nothing, for us to remember that when he became the Hon Minister for Agriculture, he led this stan- dardisation. I believe posterity would judge him right and we would remember him well.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, please hold on.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minister?
Mr Boamah 2:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, may I refer you to Standing Order
70 (2):
“A Minister of State may make an announcement or a statement of Government policy. Any such announcement or statement should be limited to facts which is deemed necessary to make known to the House and should not be designed to provoke debate at this stage. Any Member may comment briefly, subject to the same limitation.”
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister spoke for about 15 minutes. My Hon Colleague from the Asawase Constituency has been on his feet for over 25 minutes. What is he trying to put across that is more important than what the Hon Minister came to make? Briefly; that is what the rule says.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Leader, continue and be brief.
Alhaji Muntaka 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would be brief.
Mr Speaker, the youth are running away from agriculture because of the harsh conditions that are there. Let us make a conscious effort to —
Currently, the President has, under the Ministry of Business Development, this entrepreneurship capital that they give to young entrepreneurs.
I believe the Ministry of Agriculture could formulate something like that in the agricultural sector where people who have started something on their own, would be supported in a monumental way to be able to —
This is because one of the limiting factors is labour and we agree that within the agricultural sector now, labour is becoming very expensive depending on which zone you are in.
I believe and hope that these com- ments and the copious notes the Hon Minister is making, would help to improve the lot that he is doing in his Ministry so that come next year, we would see a further improvement in the development of agriculture in our country.
I would like to once again, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this Statement.
Thank you very much.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Majority Leadership, do you want to continue?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with your indulgence, we would like Hon Quaittoo to make a comment on behalf of Leadership.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Very well, Hon Member for Akim Oda?
Mr William Quaittoo (NPP-Akim Oda) 2:10 p.m.
Thank you Mr Speaker. I am very elated today listening to comments that have been made on the Statement made by the Hon Minister. I am happy because it is almost devoid of partisan politics except to say that Hon Suhuyini Sayibu mentioned that the farmers are com- plaining that award winners are selected based on partisan politics. That is unfortunate.
And it happens; in the former regime, people in opposition would complain and this time again, people in opposition are complaining. I believe that it is about time that we all took ourselves from this canker. This is because when there is no food, party A would not be the only one that would go hungry, but everybody would be hungry. And that is why I am so happy that today, we are all discussing this subject without passion.
Again, let me start from where the Hon Minority Chief Whip left off saying that the youth are running away from agriculture.
Mr Speaker, I beg to differ; statistics shows that the youth are seriously going into agriculture now. In the last few years, if we took Award Winners, be it in cocoa, oil palm or whatever, the farmers that have won awards are all less than 45 years.
In fact, they have Young Award Winners Farmers Association of Ghana and their president is an electrical engineer who completed Kwame Nkrumah
Mr William Quaittoo (NPP-Akim Oda) 2:10 p.m.


University of Science and Technology (KNUST) and he is less than 35 years. No member of that association is above 42 years. That tells you that there are a lot of young farmer.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, order.
Mr Quaittoo 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it tells you that there are a lot of young people going into agriculture now.
Mr Speaker, when the Ministry of Agriculture recently advertised for young agriculturists to come for training in greenhouse gardening, the number that applied outstripped the number that they could take.
Again, after the training, a number of them were to be sent to Israel for training. Mr Speaker, over there too, they had a herculean task selecting those who qualified to go for that training.
Mr Speaker, as we speak, about 61 of them are in Israel being trained in greenhouse gardening. Out of the 61 that had that scholarship — in fact those who applied were over 1500. That tells you that we have more and more young people showing interest in agriculture. If you go to the cocoa sector, the same thing is happening.
It is no longer the situation where you had young people inheriting the farms of their grandfathers or fathers, they themselves are acquiring lands and cultivating the land to engage in agriculture, and that is so good for this country.
Mr Speaker, again, some comments came on the Floor that when the Ministry of Agriculture said that the extension officer ratio to farmers was about one is
to 1500, Social Enterprise Development Ghana (SEND Ghana) was saying it is about 1 is to 3000.
The SEND Ghana Report was done in 2015 and at that time, the Ministry of Agriculture had a figure at one extension officer to two thousand five hundred farmers, and SEND Ghana did a research to dispute that fact that they got one extension officer to three thousand farmers. That was 2015 Report then and I was part of the validation meeting.
Now, the Ministry has moved and done their research again and they have seen that from 2017/2018, and given the huge number of extension officers that have been employed, the ratio has reduced to one extension officer to 1500 farmers, and that is very laudable. I believe that we could do better and this figure would come down because more and more people are showing interest.
Mr Speaker, prizes; of course, we know the prizes for these award winners have moved from the initial cutlasses and wellington boots to farmers winning a three-bed room house and some winning tractors and all that.
That is commendable. Every suc- cessive Government has done so well in this area, but I believe we could still do better, not just these prizes but I believe that if we could give prizes in the form of farmers going outside or being attached to some commercial farmers who are very experienced to learn the art of farming, to me, that would also go a very long way to improve the farming strategies on the fields.
This is because farmers must be able to know what type of soil they have on their land and the type of crops and strategies to be used in cultivating those
crops. So I believe that we should not only give material prizes to our farmers but we should also get some prizes in a form of scholarships or training for farmers in order to improve what they are doing.
Mr Speaker, so, much is being done by agriculture, and that is why the President and the Ministry of Agriculture have the belief that it is agriculture that could help us to arrive at Ghana Beyond Aid. Why are we saying that?
Today, it has been said by no mean a person than the Hon Okudzeto Ablakwa. Our Hon Colleague on the other Side of the House commending ‘‘Planting for Food and Jobs''. That is very good. For a whole Hon Ablakwa to say that ‘Planting for Food and Jobs' is good, Mr Speaker, it means that the Ministry has done very well. This is because I know Hon Ablakwa very well; a somewhat doubting Thomas.
Mr Speaker, he is not the only person who has commended ‘‘Planting for Food and Jobs''. The former MP for Ejura, who is typically a farmer, recently, on social media and on television commended seriously the effect of ‘Planting for Food and Jobs' on their jobs in the Ejura area.
He said that we should not play politics with this and to him, being a farmer, he has seen the importance of ‘‘Planting for Food and Jobs'' that it has helped his business very well. That was the former MP for Ejura, he is a full time farmer so, that is good. He purchased a Toyota Landcruiser from his farm through ‘Planting for Food and Jobs'. He said this openly on television.

Mr Speaker, apart from “Planting for Food and Jobs”, there is a programme

which has been rolled out -- Planting for Export and Rural Development (PERD). My friend, Hon Ablakwa mentioned that apart from cocoa, several crops could also be modelled along the models of cocoa. I would want my Hon Brother to know that Mr Speaker, it is being done already.

PERD which is a collaboration between the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development and the Ministry of Trade and Industry are such that the District Assemblies, through the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Develop- Development, would organise every Assembly and look at the comparative advantage that they have in any cash crop and provide them with free seedlings and financial resources to produce planting materials in large quantities.

If Assembly A says that it has comparative advantage in say, cashew, they would ask that Assembly what land it has, what quantity of cashew planting materials it could produce for the farmers, and they would come in with support from Modernising Agricultural Project (MAP) financed by the Canadian Government.

So this money which is sourced from the Canadian Government goes through the Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development, it further goes to the District Assemblies, which decides on the quantity of cash crop they could produce; the money is then released to them and they are also given technical support to produce these planting materials for their farmers there.

Basically, in my view, what our District Assemblies are engaged in do not bring real development. If they engage themselves in farming — we all know that the inhabitants of the various District Assemblies are predominantly farmers. Mr
Mr Quaittoo 12:30 p.m.


Speaker, so if District Assemblies would also engage in farming activities to support their farmers to have good planting materials and inputs, then their lot would be developed. So PERD is a programme which is looking at this particular project.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Member, wind up.
Mr Quaittoo 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, apart from that, there is also the tree crop policy which is being developed. Mr Speaker, with this policy, there is going to be a whole body, which would be under the Ministry of Agriculture. This body would be responsible for developing policies for the various cash crops.
Now, they have almost six cash crops whose documents are ready. These cash crops would be promoted by the Ministry of Agriculture, Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development and the Ministry of Trade and Industry. This is because when we talk about agriculture, we need the people who would produce; people who would market it and people with the technical knowhow.
So while the Ministry of Agriculture would provide the technical knowhow, the Ministry of Trade and Industry would provide the marketing platform and the people who would produce would be provided by the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development.
Mr Speaker, I would say that the Ministry of Agriculture, through the current Ministry is on its course, and they believe that from all the things and strategies that they are putting across through agriculture, Ghana would really go beyond aid.
Thank you, Mr Speaker for the opportunity.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Members, that is the end of Statements.
We thank the Hon Ministers who came to present the Statements and the Hon Member who made the Statement.
Hon Members, item numbered 5 — Presentation of Papers.
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we have items numbered 5(a) (i) and (ii) by the Chairman of the Committee on Roads and Transport.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Very well.
PAPERS 12:30 p.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Yes, Hon
Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I tried catching your eyes earlier. I believe this is the only time I should raise this.
Mr Speaker, as of this morning, we do not have Estimates to Committees on Lands and Forestry; Food Agriculture and Cocoa Affairs; Environment, Science and Technology; Health, Defence; Interior; Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs; Employment, Social Welfare and State Enterprises; Local Government and Rural Development; Communications; and Youth, Sports and Culture.
Mr Speaker, today is Wednesday, we are all expecting these Committees to work throughout this weekend so that next week, we would move a little faster. I would urge my Hon Colleagues on the front bench to get the Ministry of Finance to do what is right to get us the Estimates in good time.
Obviously, we would have to rise and we cannot do that without the Appropriation. We need to do our work very well.
Mr Speaker, secondly, last week, we laid the Special Prosecutor's Regulation. Today is the tenth Sitting day. It is because of this Regulation that we were forced to come and Sit here on Saturday. As we speak, the Regulation is not in the House.
Mr Speaker, our Colleagues on the opposite Side cannot be forcing the wrong things to be done. If they really want to get the Regulation done, they should get it here. We are struggling to get the number of days for it to mature but they are not putting in the pressure
for the document itself to be in this House. How fair are they to the House?
Mr Speaker, my plea is that we should get these documents or we give ourselves a timetable. If by Tuesday it is not here, we should withdraw it. This is because today is the tenth day out of the 21 Sitting days and we have not seen the Regulation.
So Mr Speaker, I am pleading with my Colleagues on the opposite Side.
Dr A. A. Osei 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I totally agree with the Hon Minority Chief Whip but the statement that, “we were forced to come here” is wrong.
Mr Speaker, Members of Parliament are not forced to come here. We are elected to be Members of Parliament to come here. We were not forced. He, as part of the Leadership, should know better. So I respectfully ask him to withdraw. He was elected as MP for Asawase. The people of Asawase did not force him. [Interruption] --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Members, let me proceed that the point made about the L.I. not being here is well noted. Let the Majority Leadership ensure that Members are given copies. This is because I saw a copy and directed that it be forwarded for gazetting. So Members' copies should be put in their pigeonholes.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with item numbered 5(a)(i), which was just laid, I want to draw the attention of the House to correct (ix). The Financing Agreement

came to the Finance Committee and this correction was effected. The road there is “Oda-Ofoase-Abirem” not “New Abirem to Ofoasekuma Road”.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Very well. Your Report would reflect the correction, right?
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 12:30 p.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. So for the Committee on Roads and Transport, it should be Oda-Ofoase- Abirem.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
What I want to be assured of is that in your Report - [Interruption] -
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in our Financing Agreement, the Report reflects that one.
12. 40 p.m.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Very well, let the records reflect the correction that has been made.
Yes, Hon Leader?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we should move on to Paper numbered 5 (b) on page 3 of the Order Paper.
rose
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Member for Adaklu, what is it?
Mr Agbodza 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it was the Minister for Roads and Highways who laid the Commercial Agreement. If the description of the road is different, I do not believe it is the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee, who should make that sweeping statement. If they have corrections to make in the one that went to the Finance Committee, then we can agree.
Mr Speaker, I believe the appropriate thing to do is for the Minister for Roads and Highways to say that the name of the road in the document he has given to us is this or that.
I do not believe it is appropriate for the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee to change the description of something laid, unless he gives any evidence that, he sought and got approval from the Hon Minister to do same.
Otherwise, we may come to this House and lay a Bill, and the Hon Chairman would change the rendition on his own volition. So the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee should be careful about that.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Members, I am not going to entertain any extended argument about this. The road is known, and the Hon Minister appeared before both Committees. So, if the appropriate road has been dealt with, the correction would have to be made in the House.
Hon Members, we would move on to item numbered 5(a)(ii), by the Hon Chairman of the Committee.
By the Chairman of the Committee --
Report of the Committee on Roads and Transport on the Addenda to the Commercial Agreements.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Leader, are we ready to do Paper 5(b)?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes, the Hon Chairman indicated to me that the Report is ready, but he has stepped out, and so, I seek your indulgence for the Hon Deputy Majority Whip, who is a member of the Committee
to lay it on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
The Hon Chairman of the Committee has just entered.
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Hon Chairman of the Committee could then lay the Paper himself.
By the Chairman of the Committee --
Report of the Committee on Mines and Energy on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Energy for the year ending 31st December,
2019.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Yes, Leader, are we ready to do Paper 5(c)?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we would move on to the item numbered 5(c)(i), by the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
All right, Paper 5(c)(i), by the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee.
By the Chairman of the Committee --
Report of the Committee on Finance on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Office of the Head of Civil Service for the year ending 31st December, 2019.
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Chairman of the Roads and Transport Committee would lay the Paper numbered 5(e) (i), on behalf of the Ministry of Transport.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Member, did you say 5(d)?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Paper 5(e), with the letter “e”, which stands for the name “Elizabeth”, the letter (i) on page 4, the first item.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Member, Paper numbered 5(e).
Very well.
Hon Members, we would take Paper 5(e)(i), by the Hon Chairman of the Committee.
By the Chairman of the Committee --
Report of the Committee on Roads and Transport on the Annual Budget Estimates of the Ministry of Transport for the year ending 31st December, 2019.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Yes, Hon Leader?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we would move on to the item numbered 6 -- Motion. I understand that it was debated, but the Question was not put because --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Very well.
Hon Members, I would suspend Sitting for five minutes and come back.
Hon Members, the House is accor- dingly suspended for five minutes.
[Pause] --
Sitting Suspended 12.45 --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.


12.50 p.m. -- Sitting resumed
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Majority Chief Whip?
Mr Ameyaw-Cheremeh 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, before the House was suspended, I wanted us to move to item numbered 6 on the Order Paper which is a Motion, but we could step it down for a while and take item numbered 8 which is also a Motion.
Mr Iddrisu 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, just before you asked for the five minutes suspension, I heard the Hon Majority Chief Whip mention item numbered 6 which is a Motion, but now he has sought your indulgence for us to move to item numbered 8.
Mr Speaker, it is within his remit to do that, but on Motion 6, you gave some directives and we would want to see it respected. So it is not just a question of he standing it down and moving to item numbered 8. Demonstrably, we should see some work on it, so if we do not see that demonstration, then I am sorry.
We are not likely to change our position or posture on the matter. We do not mind government using its Majority and its numbers to do as it pleases, but certainly, any disrespect of your directive would not be countenanced by us as a Minority.
We could move to Motion numbered 8, but the authority and the decision of the Hon Speaker should be respected on matters that relate to drones.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:30 p.m.
Hon Majority Chief Whip, do you want to respond to that? Otherwise, we would move to item numbered 8.
Hon Minority Leader, when we come to item numbered 6, if there are any issues, I would allow you to comment, but now,
the Hon Majority Chief Whip says we should move to item numbered 8.
Hon Members, item numbered 8.
MOTIONS 12:30 p.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Deferred Payment Agreements between the Republic of Ghana represented by the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Roads and Highways and Sinohydro Corporation Limited setting the terms and conditions of the deferral of payments under the EPC Contract Agreement in respect of Construction/Rehabilitation of Selected Roads and Interchanges in Ghana - Phase
1.
Mr Speaker, in so doing, I present your Committee's Report.
Introduction
The Deferred Payment Agreements between the Government of the Republic of Ghana represented by the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Roads and Highways and Sinohydro Corporation Limited setting the terms and conditions of the deferral of payments under the EPC Contract Agreement in respect of Construction/Rehabilitation of Selected Roads and Interchanges in Ghana -- Phase 1, were presented to the House on Friday 9th November, 2018 by the H o n Deputy Minister for Finance, Mrs Abena Osei-Asare on behalf of the Minister responsible for Finance.
Pursuant to article 103 of the 1992 Constitution and Orders 169 and 171 of the Standing Orders of the House, the Agreements were referred by Mr Speaker to the Finance Committee for consi- deration and report. Mr Speaker directed the Leadership of the Committee on Roads and Transport to join the Finance Committee to consider the Agreements.
The Committee subsequently met and discussed the Agreement with the Leadership of the Committee on Roads and Transport, the Minister for Roads and Highways, Hon Kwasi Amoako-Atta, a Deputy Minister for Finance, Hon Charles Adu Boahen and officials from the Ministries of Finance and Roads and Highways.
The Committee hereby submits this Report to the House pursuant to Order 161(1) of the Standing Orders of the House.
The Committee is grateful to the Hon Minister for Roads and Highways, the Deputy Minister for Finance and the officials from the two Ministries for attending upon the Committee.
Referees
The Committee referred to and was guided by the following documents inter alia during its deliberations on the Agreements:
The 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Ghana.
The Standing Orders of the Parliament of Ghana.
The Public Financial Management Act of 2016 (Act 921); and
The Master Project Support Agreement (MPSA) between the Government of the Republic of Ghana and Sinohydro Corporation Limited for an amount up to two billion United States dollars (US$2.00 billion) for the Cons- truction of Priority Infrastructural Projects.
Background
The Government of Ghana recognises the importance of good road infrastructure as a critical facilitator for rapid socio- economic development of the country through the improvement of accesses, reduction in travel times, congestion, vehicle operating cost, accidents and cost of doing business.
To ensure the operational efficiency of road transport in moving persons, goods and services within the country and with neighbouring countries, the Government has implemented some major road infrastructural projects and continues to source for funding to implement additional critical infrastructural projects such as hospitals, bridges, interchanges, roads, affordable housing and fishing landing sites in line with its infrastructural development agenda.
Pursuant to the above, the Government of Ghana has entered into a Master Project Support Agreement (MPSA) with Sinohydro Corporation Limited for two billion United States dollars (US$2.0 Billion) to support priority infrastructural projects in Ghana.
Consequently, the presently Deferred Payment Agreements are presented as the first phase of the implementation of the MPSA. This first phase will cover the following road infrastructural projects:
Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:30 p.m.


i.Accra Inner City Roads;

ii. Kumasi Inner City Roads;

iii. Tamale Interchange Project; iv. PTC Roundabout Interchange

Project, Takoradi; v.Adenta-Dodowa Dual Carriageway;

vi. Sunyani Inner City Roads;

vii.Western Region and Cape Coast Inner City Roads;

viii. Upgrading of Selected Feeder Roads in Ashanti and Western Regions;

ix. Rehabilitation of Oda -Ofoase - Abirem Road

x. Hohoe-Jasikan-Dodi Pepesu Road.

Project Objective

The overriding consideration for identifying the priority roads is the strategic socio- economic significance of those roads.

The objectives are to improve road infrastructure for enhanced intra-urban, regional and national road traffic flow, strengthen economic and regional integration and reduce the cost of doing business in the country.

Terms and Conditions of the Agreements
Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:30 p.m.
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Observations

Financing for the projects

The Committee was informed that the Project will be financed by Sinohydro by way of deferral of payments under the EPC Contract, with the support of refinancing by one or more financiers and export credit insurance underwritten by Sinosure (an export credit agency in P.R. China) and Sinohydro has agreed to use its best endeavours to procure such refinancing equal to 85 per cent of the cost of works and to finance the project upon availability.

The Government of Ghana undertakes to pay the total EPC contract price to Sinohydro using the proceeds from the sale of refined bauxite as source of funds, Sinohydro will be reimbursed with the total cost of the EPC Contract by way of deferral of payments. The payments would be effected over a period of twelve (12) years after a three (3) year deferred period.

Sinohydro Receivables Account

The Committee noted that under the Deferred Payment Agreements, Sinohydro with the knowledge and consent of the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Roads and Highways, will enter into an Account Receivable Finance Agreement (ARFA) with a nominated Bank under which Sinohydro will assign to the Bank the right to receive all or part of the deferred payments by the Ministry of Finance.

Project Duration

As to how long the projects would take to complete, the Committee was informed

that the projects are expected to be completed within 30 months from commencement. The Committee advises the Ministries of Finance and Roads and Highways to expedite action on the relevant processes to ensure the timely commencement and completion of the projects.

Benefits of the Project

The Committee observed that the selected roads are strategic and significant part of the national road network. The construction of these roads is expected to enhance the movement of people and goods while reducing vehicle operating costs, travel time, accident rates, pedestrian and vehicular congestion in our cities. The projects would also improve the quality of life of the citizens and reduce the cost of doing business in the country.

Preparations for the extraction of the Bauxite Resources

As to what preparations the Govern- ment was making towards the extraction of the bauxite resources to ensure repayment of the facility, the Minister for Roads and Highways, Hon Kwasi Amoako-Atta explained to the Committee that phase 2 of the Project under the MPSA would principally deal with matters connected to the extraction of the bauxite resources.

In the interim, however, Lot 8 of phase 1 is dedicated to the rehabilitation of 68kms of feeder roads in Ashanti and Western Regions. These roads lead to areas where bauxite is located and hence their rehabilitation would facilitate and prepare the grounds for the extraction of the resource.

Contingent Liability

The Committee wanted to know whether the Ministry of Finance would consider this facility in its debt sustainability calculations. To this, the Deputy Minister for Finance, Hon Adu Boahene informed the Committee that post year three (3), the facility would be considered in the long term debt sustainability projections of the country.

Underlying Collateral

The Committee noted that pursuant to Clause 8.2(a) of the Deferred Payment Agreements, the Ministry of Finance is required to ensure that the proceeds generated by the Government of Ghana from selling refined bauxite will be deposited into an Escrow Account which shall be opened and maintained in a reputable offshore Bank acceptable to Sinohydro and the financiers. Any applied amount up to the total balance in the Escrow Account shall be remitted to Sinohydro to service the facility upon the presentation of Interim Payment Certificates (IPC) signed by the Ministry of Roads and Highways (MORH).

Breakdown of EPC Amount

The Committee requested to be furnished with a breakdown of the

Engineering, Procurement and Cons- truction (EPC) amount of six hundred and forty-six million, six hundred and thirty- seven thousand, eight hundred and seventy-nine United States dollars and seventy-four cents (US$646,637,879.74). This was duly provided and a copy is hereby attached to this Report as

APPENDIX.

Conclusion

The Committee, in view of the foregoing observations, respectfully recommends to the House to adopt this report and approve by resolution, the Deferred Payment Agreements in the amount up to six hundred and forty-six million, six hundred and thirty-seven thousand, eight hundred and seventy- nine United States dollars and seventy- four cents (US$646,637,879.74) between the Government of the Republic of Ghana represented by the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Roads and Highways AND Sinohydra Corporation Limited setting the terms and conditions of the deferral of payments under the EPC Contract Agreement in respect of Construction/Rehabilitation of Selected Roads and Interchanges in Ghana - phase 1 in accordance with article 181 of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Ghana.

Respectfully submitted.
Minister for Information (Mr Kojo Oppong-Nkrumah (MP) 1 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to speak. I beg to second the Motion ably moved by the chairman of the Finance Committee.
Mr Speaker, what we are doing here today would go down in our history books as a major contributor to our efforts to improve on the infrastructure of our country.
Mr Speaker, the Akufo-Addo Administration has inherited a situation where a lot of our infrastructure as a country is in a deplorable state.
Indeed, over the years, the challenges that successive Governments have had is that, whiles domestic resource mobilisation is limited, there has been limited financing space to embark on our infrastructural agenda as a nation. That is why it comes as instructive, as his administration puts up this arrangement, which enables us to put together about US$2billion worth of infrastructure as outlined in the 2019 Budget Statement.
Mr Speaker, there are a few things that are unique about this transaction; the first being the fact that, unlike other transactions, the commitment fee that we are paying is not for the entire resource envelope. The commitment fee is being paid on a tranche-by-tranche basis, and in this instance, for the first tranche, the commitment fee is limited to this tranche.
Mr Speaker, it is a much improvement on some of the transactions we have done in times past when we paid the commitment fee for the entire universal amount, which resulted in situations where we paid money even for parts of the total envelope that we had not accessed, and I think it is an improvement worth noting.
Mr Speaker, again, this transaction is structured in such a way that there is a high level of risk on the second party, that is Synohydro which is working with the Government of Ghana.
It is for that reason that one would notice that, while they are financing, in the end, we would capitalise the cost for the settlement of that obligation by the Government of Ghana. And one would notice therefore that in terms of Sinosure Premium et cetera as compared to other transactions, this may be slightly expensive.
Indeed, if we look at the all-in cost of 7.7 per cent and we compare it to some of the transactions that we have just approved as a House, 6.1 per cent, the difference is understandable as it is a matter of risk premium for the one who is bearing the upfront risk in this transaction.
Mr Speaker, also worth mentioning is the fact that the Deferred Payment Agreement creates room for the Government of Ghana to assign this liability to a third party.
And as has been mentioned in all our conversations earlier, this House has passed a Bill, setting up the Ghana Bauxite and Aluminium Development Corperation (GIBADA), which is aimed at being the developer and eventually, the owner of this liability so that we can settle our obligations under this transaction.
Mr Speaker, this is a very important transaction, and I would want to encourage all our Hon Colleagues in this House, not even one left out, to support the development agenda of this country as we have done in many other transactions.
Question proposed.
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Minister for Information (Mr Kojo Oppong-Nkrumah (MP) 1:10 p.m.


(Cassiel Ato Baah Forson): Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to speak to the Motion that was moved by the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee. In doing so, let me first of all draw your attention to the fact that, the key players that signed this major Agreement are not even in the House to guide us in debating.

Mr Speaker, I was expecting to see the Hon Minister for Finance and the Hon Minister for Roads and Highways, who are the main signatories to this very Agreement for them to be able to answer a few questions that may arise as part of the contributions.

Mr Speaker, again, let me put on record that any attempt by any Administration to improve on our infrastructure is something that we Hon Members of Parliament would certainly support. But the Agreement before us, as it stands, has certain problems that would not make me support it.

I say this, and I would start from the last page of the Report of the Committee. Mr Speaker, “breakdown of financed amount” --

Mr Speaker, one would notice that the first line is “Original EPC Contract Price”. We have LOT 1 to LOT 10 giving us a total of US$497,200,051.27.

But if I may also refer to page 5, paragraph 6.1 of the Committee's Report, “Financing for the Project”, and under it, one would notice that the Hon Minister for Finance and his team, and in fact, the Deferred Payment Agreement says that Sinohydro is lending Government up to 85 per cent of the original EPC Contract and Government of Ghana is to pay, 15 per cent as owner's contribution.

Mr Speaker, so, if we are to look at it, out of the US$497,200,051.27, Government of Ghana is contributing US$74.5 million and Synohydro is bringing on board, US$422.6 million.

Mr Speaker, on the second column of the Breakdown of Financed Amount, one would see, Management Fee, Commitment Fee and Sinosure Premium, and finally, Interest and Fees for Interest During the Construction Period.

Mr Speaker, if we are to add the Management Fee of US$4.1million, Commitment Fee of US$2.6million, Sinosure Premium of US$62.2million and Interest and Fees for Interest During Construction Period of US$80.3million, that would give us approximately, US$150million.

Mr Speaker, we are actually borrowing US$422.6million from Synohydro, but we are going to end up paying fees and insurance with interest up to, US$150million. This is according to the document that the Ministry of Finance has given to us.

Strangely, if we are to express this as a percentage on the amount that we are asking them to finance which is US$422million, of which we are going to pay US$150 million, then it means we are paying about 35 per cent in nominal terms and this is very expensive.

Mr Speaker, I say this because I have been in this House for some time. Yesterday, we debated the China Development Bank Loan, and the all-in- cost as was recommended to this House by the Committee was 6 per cent.

Even that, I raised the point that we are moving it from 4.1 per cent to six per cent because of the premium. But in this

case, the amount is a bit too much, and that is why I am asking that this Government pauses a bit, rethink about it because we are not getting value for money.

Mr Speaker, my second point relates to the fact that we were told that this is not a loan agreement. Time and time again, we were told that this is not a loan agreement. But the Deferred Payment Agreement before us clearly shows that it is a buyer's credit. And they are saying that it is not a loan but a barter arrangement.

Again, we were also told that Government of Ghana is not going to grant what we call sovereign guarantee. Unfortunately, if we are to look at page 10 of the Deferred Payment Agreement that was given to all Hon Members of the House, item 5.4, it states and I beg to quote:

“5.4 MOF irrevocably and uncon- ditionally undertakes to pay the amounts due under which Interim Payment Certificate (IPC), including interest, on the dates pursuant to the Payment Schedule and following notice served by Sinohydro and/or any other party designated in writing by Synohydro.”

5.5 MORH and MOF hereby further explicitly, unconditionally and irrevocably waives any right to withhold payment that it may have under any applicable law, the EPC Contract and this Agreement, be it for suspension of the Project, defects, delay, damages or any other ground, or under any other agreement with Sinohydro or any of the Financiers.

5.6 MORH and MOF hereby further explicitly, unconditionally and irrevocably waives any right to

deduct, set off or counter claim in relation to any of the payment obligations,…”

Mr Speaker, these are the words that normally would be used under sovereign guarantee.

The Ministry of Finance would have to give sovereign guarantee to Sinohydro in a form of a loan. Unfortunately, the Deferred Payment Agreement that has been laid before this Honourable House is embedded in it as a sovereign guarantee, which is normally given as a form of loan. If this is not a loan, then what is it?

Mr Speaker, clearly, Ministry for Finance is using words like “irrevocably”, “unconditionally” and “explicitly makes money available”. Unfortunately, it looks as if the Government does not want to come clean on this matter.

Mr Speaker, again, on the same Deferred Payment Agreement Relating to EPC Contract Agreement, permit me to refer you to the Annexes of the Deferred Payment Agreement. Under Annex III of the Agreement, you would see “NOTICE

OF ASSIGNMENT OF DEBTS”.

We were told at the Committee and as part of the Deferred Payment Agreement Relating to EPC Contract Agreement that Sinohydro would be assigning all of its obligation to a bank to collect the amount on their behalf. Strangely, the words as being used in the NOTICE OF ASSIGNMENT OF DEBTS, if I should refer you to item 4 of Annex III which is on page 36 of the Agreement, it says:

“… all our rights, interests, benefits and/claims in, under or to (i) all or part of payments by You under the EPC Contract and the Deferred
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon Member, we have gone down this path already. So, if you --
Mr Forson 1:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is an expensive loan in the sense that we are actually asking Sinohydro to give us US$422 million of which we would end up paying US$150 million in interest and insurance. So if you are to express it as a percentage in the amount that they are giving to us, we are spending 35 per cent of the amount. For that reason, we cannot be part of that.
Mr Alexander K. Afenyo-Markin (NPP -- Effutu) 1:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to add my voice to the Motion on the Floor.
Mr Speaker, I support this Motion and in doing so, I have compared this transaction with previous transactions conducted on this Floor by Governments
of which I was privileged to have participated in deliberations thereof. In the construction of the Kasoa Interchange, GoG took a commercial loan and the insurance premium required of us was 10 per cent. The management fee exceeded 0.70 per cent.
Again, in the agreement, GoG was supposed to deposit 20 per cent of the loan amount in a collection account in a bank in New York. I seconded that Motion as a Member of the Committee on Finance --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
Hon Member, you would hold on.
Yes, Hon Member for Ningo Prampram?
Mr Samuel Nartey George 1:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I wish to draw the attention of the Rt. Hon Speaker to Order 91 of our Standing Orders that:
“Debates may be interrupted --
(c) by attention being called to the absence of a quorum”.
Mr Speaker, this is a very serious matter and we have taken a head count; we do not have 92 Hon Members in the Chamber. This is a very serious matter by which we are going to commit our constituents and the people of Ghana to 15 years. So, I draw your attention to Order
91.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:10 p.m.
The Clerk shall order the bell to be rang.
Hon Member, you would continue.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so, in relative terms, it is clear that the cost of this project is cheaper than that which we procured in 2014 for the Kasoa Interchange Project.
Mr Speaker, it has been argued time and again by the Minority in this House to the extent that Government has an obligation to Sinohydro, therefore this project must properly be described as a loan.
Without belabouring the point, the Supreme Court has settled this matter. Mr Speaker would recall that when we were on the other Side, we raised a similar argument whereupon Dr Assibey-Yeboah courageously took the matter to the Supreme Court for interpretation.
Mr Speaker, as my respected Colleague, Mr Forson rightly described in that case, GoG was also providing a residual guarantee. But the Supreme Court said to the extent that those institutions although owned by the State, have been set up for commercial purposes, Government's involvement in it does not mean that it has to come to Parliament -- this is settled law. So, he would not need to repeat the point as though he disagrees with the Supreme Court.
At that time, he agreed with the Supreme Court; if his position has changed, he should go back to them for review.
Mr Speaker, not too long ago, social media was flooded with issues of Adentan-Madina Footbridge where Government's attention was brought to the need to improve on infrastructure.
This is a Government that has taken over from a Party that has been in office for eight years -- high expectations. Two years down the line, the Government did not renege on its promises; it was able to introduce the all-embracing social intervention policy called Free SHS to bring relief to all Ghanaians.
The Government addressed the unemployment situation and today, if you
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.


look at the list on page 4; Mr Speaker with your permission I quote:

1. Accra inner city roads;

2. Kumasi inner city roads;

3. Tamale Interchange Project; 4. PTC Roundabout Interchange

Project in Takoradi; 5. Adenta Dodowa Dual Carriage

Way;

6. Sunyani inner city roads.

The rest follow and I would not belabour the point. These are projects that would address the concerns they have been talking about and Government did not wait till election year -- this is a proactive Government. They have nothing to say in opposition to this project.

Mr Speaker, my respected Hon Colleague who just spoke before tried to create the impression that although we are not taking 100 per cent from Sinohydro, we are paying more than that. Mr Speaker, it is not possible. If there is counterpart funding in the transaction, one pays interest on the amount that he has procured or the extent to which one is liable. One does not pay for everything.

Mr Speaker, with respect, he should read well. There is no way if it is not a 100 per cent facility, Government of Ghana will be liable for 100 per cent. Our liability is limited to the extent to which we have taken the facility. It is clear and so they should not throw dust into the eyes of Ghanaians. It cannot be; they cannot speculate. If we are making 15 per cent

contribution, how then do we suggest to the whole world that we would pay more than we have taken?

Mr Speaker, it is important that my Hon Colleague calculates well, put the figures together and cite the appropriate clause and not misinterpret and create a certain impression. Having made that point -- [Interruption.] --
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Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this is reckless heckling. He knows that we have been together and he has had his time. He must listen to me in silence because that is what the rule requires.
He has spoken! Why is he up?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, it is for me to recognise him. So, withdraw, “reckless”.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he is my good Friend and I am happy he sat down. [Uproar.]
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Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minority Leader is also trying it. He should allow me to speak. He would have his turn to debate. This is a debate and he must listen. [Uproar]
Some Hon Members 1:20 p.m.
Withdraw, withdraw.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, I asked you to withdraw the word “reckless”.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you have made an order and I need to comply
with it but the noise is making it impossible. I must hear the Hon Speaker and not them but I am not hearing you.
I must hear your order and comply with same.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, I directed that you withdraw the use of the word, “reckless”.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, very well. He is my respected Hon Colleague and I would comply and withdraw it.

Mr Speaker, if we look at the Report, this is what it says;

“The Committee [and the Committee refers to the Majority and the Minority], in view of the fore- going observations, respectfully recommends --”
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Deputy Minority Leader, your name is on the list to debate. Please, hold on --
If it is not a straight point of order, please wait and make your point when you get the opportunity.
Mr Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is a point of order.
The Hon Member -- [Uproar] -- Order 91.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member made a statement that the amount that is procured from Sinohydro Corporation Limited is
what Government would pay. If what he said is true then the Report needs to be corrected. So let me refer him to the first paragraph of page 6 of the Report. The Report states that --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, I think you would have the opportunity to debate. What he said if I understood him was that the interest would be on the amount we would have borrowed and not the entire cost.
Mr Avedzi 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Report is saying a different thing from what he said.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, when you get the opportunity, please, draw the attention of the House.
Please, conclude your debate.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, may you have a long life.
Mr Speaker, this is what the Committee concluded and I would quote in extenso for the avoidance of doubt. With your permission, I quote:
“The Committee, in view of the foregoing observations, respectfully recommends to the House to adopt this report and approve by resolution, the Deferred Payment Agreements in the amount up to…”
Mr Speaker, so for this House to suddenly hear contributions from members of this Committee that has made a recommendation to us to now oppose same is bad faith.
He is a member of this Committee and this is his view. He has recommended to us. So, what is his point of disagreement? The mere fact that he failed to second does not mean that it would negate the import of this Report. No!
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon
Member, hold on.
Yes, what is your point of order?
Mr Forson 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is important that we correct the records. The Hon Member has made two false claims. The first claim is that I have said that the amount Sinohydro Corporation Limited is lending to Government is the US$497,
200,051.27.
Mr Speaker, Government of Ghana is paying 50 per cent -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, I heard you. If he has said anything which is not referred to or is wrong - We heard what you said and what he said.
Mr Forson 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, what I said is different from what he has said and it is important we correct the records. The amount Government of Ghana is borrowing from Sinohydro Corporation Limited is US$422 million and the interest applicable to that is US$150 million.
The second point he had made -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, the point he made was that, you alleged that we would pay in excess of what we have borrowed.
Mr Forson 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I never said that. I quoted numbers.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
So that is the point of argument.
Hon Member, I think you are holding us back.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, there was neither a Minority Report nor Majority Report. The Hansard must
capture the fact that this Report is that of the Committee by consensus. The Committee agreed that this is a laudable initiative which has gone through and it is important that this House approves it.
Mr Speaker, we have only one Report before us and if any Member on the Minority Side outside of the Committee of Finance has any disagreements, that Member must consult the Members who were part of the Committee so that they would appropriately advise. This is because the Members of the Committee agreed that this Report is important for us to pass and we would pass it.
Mr Speaker, this Government is in a hurry because it knows that it has made a promise to the good people of Ghana. This Government is aware that it came into office with a manifesto promise. The manifesto promise --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, speak to the Report.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:20 p.m.
Very well, Mr Speaker, this Government has not reneged. It is aware that in its manifesto, it made promises regarding infrastructure. So, this is in line.
Perhaps, we may have to look at an important project. If we look at item numbered 10 on page 5 of the Report; we would see that there is the Hohoe- Jasikan-Dodi Pepesu Road. At the risk of being repetitive, I shall reiterate page 5; item numbered 10; Hohoe-Jasikan-Dodi Pepesu Road -- 66.40 kilometres.
Mr Speaker, this road is being constructed. [Hear! Hear!] If we look at this, it means that this Government is not being discriminatory. It is sharing it accordingly and equitably.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:20 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Hon Member for Ho Central?
Mr Benjamin Kpodo 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to draw the attention of my Hon Colleague that the road from Hohoe to Jasikan was awarded by President John Dramani Mahama in the past Adminis- tration. [Uproar.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order. [Laughter]
Mr Kpodo 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this Govern- ment, which claims to be in a hurry, stopped the completion of the contract.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with your leave, I would like to make an application. I need your protection before I continue. I do not know whether it is appropriate to describe the heckling as reckless, but I should make my point.
This is a debate, and they must sit down. We all kept quiet for Hon Ato Forson to debate. Why would they always want to stampede the Majority? Why? They should let me make my point.
Mr Speaker, I was coming to paragraph 4.0 of the Report but let us look at lot 3 first. Before we go to lot 4, I would want us to look at lot 3, which is the Tamale Interchange Project; the money is huge. Does the Minority say that we should not construct this interchange at Tamale?

Mr Speaker, it is said that okoto die a nebo dwe. I am not a Twi-speaking person, but assist me.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member, but you have spoken Twi, so give us the -- [Interruption.]
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in other words, etua wonyonko ho a, etua dua ho. All I am trying to say is that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. [Hear! Hear!] We are all of the same stock; we are one Ghana. So, they should not be happy when it is at their backyard, but when it supposedly is in somebody's backyard, then they begin to raise issues; no, that is bad faith and unfair. We do not want this to happen.
Mr Speaker, to conclude, I would want to encourage our Hon Colleagues on the other Side. I understand how it feels, especially the arguments on “loans”. It is all about business strategy.
One could go for a loan to import goods, but another would establish a Letter of Credit (LC), in which the funds would just be blocked. Until the LC crystallises, that money would not drop and interest would not be charged; only fees would be charged. It is different from a loan where it immediately starts running when it is taken. By the time the goods come, one would have lost a lot of money.

Mr Speaker, we are processing bauxite. Yesterday, I was an entrepreneur in that sector, and I know how Ghanaians suffered hauling bauxite all the way to Canada, Australia and China. As we speak today, I regret that the bauxite --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon
Member, conclude.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would conclude.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
You said you would conclude five minutes ago.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in conclusion, we do not even know the cost per tonne of the bauxite that we sell. We do not know the right international pricing for bauxite; but if we process it into aluminium, we would know its price per tonne. We can create more jobs for our people; we could create opportunities for those in the value chain -- Mr Speaker, I refer to transporters as well; those in haulage. There would be a value chain, and Ghanaians would benefit.
So I call on all my Hon Colleagues, including those who have heckled me; those who are not shouting into the microphone; those who have frowned their faces; and those looking elsewhere to support this, so that we pass this.

[Interruption.] Mr Emmanuel Armah-Kofi Buah --

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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member, I would want to hear what you are saying.
Mr Buah 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I know that you intervened on two occasions; but quite frankly, his last statement, for example, was so unparliamentary, and he should not have made that statement.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Which one?
Mr Buah 1:30 p.m.
He said that Hon Members of Parliament had frowned their faces and all that. One is not to say that. [Interruption.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
If you have frowned your face and he described it, you are right, but -- [Interruption.]
Mr Kwame Governs Agbodza (NDC- Adaklu) 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion on the Floor. I am not yet sure that I would support it, but I would lay down some facts so that we could all deliberate on it.

If we take this Agreement, first of all, it is under an Engineering, Procurement and Construction (EPC) contract; but the document attached to the deal that came to Parliament has even got Bills of Quantities (BoQs) in them. The question is that if the definition of EPC is what we are to do, we would not have derived BoQs to the last bit if we do not know what we are to do?

In the document, I have seen that Sinohydro Corporation Limited has been given documents that the Ministry has over the period done designs, at least, up to line diagrams and quantified them. Would they be paid for design? If they are to be paid for design, then it means that they would use our own designs and ask us to pay for them.
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Mr Agbodza 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, what I am talking about has nothing to do with my Hon Brother.
Mr Speaker, I would want the Hon Minister to -- [Interruption.] Ebe; what did he say? Mr Speaker, I would want Hon Dr A. A. Osei to know that this is not economics; this is construction. So, as a fact, I can lead him on this one.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Hon Member, I would have ignored him, but you have acknowledged him, so hold on.
Hon Minister?
Dr A. A. Osei 1:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with respect to my Hon Friend who is an architect, he quoted EPC; where is the design? So, how could he talk about somebody being charged to design?
He said that this is not finance; this is the Report of the Finance Committee. So, if he is to tell us about EPC, he should do so. This is not architecture.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:30 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member, continue.
Mr Agbodza 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Hon Dr A. A. Osei is a senior Hon Member. Like I said, he holds a Doctor of Philosophy degree in Economics; I do not, but I am sure that I could give him a little bit of education when it comes to procurement, engineering and design. [Interruption.] That is a fact; I have practiced for 20 years, so I know what I am doing.
Mr Speaker, this document talks about -- for instance, on page 3, paragraph 4.0 1:40 p.m.
“Project Objective --
“The overriding consideration for identifying the priority roads is the strategic socio-economic signi- ficance…”
That cannot be entirely correct. If you know the roads that were under construction under the cocoa roads, there could not have been more roads that have economic impact on this country at the moment than the cocoa roads.
The President stood here during the State of the Nation Address and boasted that he was happy when COCOBOD took a decision to suspend all cocoa roads in this country and till date, COCOCBOD is yet to provide their report on that.
Mr Speaker, if we are looking for roads in this country that are more important and attach socio-economic development, we should go back to do the cocoa roads.
When my Hon Colleague, Mr Kpodo got up, he wanted to make a correction that the Hohoe-Jasikan-Dodi Pepesu Road; there is a reason Hon Kpodo was cautioning us, it is because about 45km stretch of that road is under active contract which is a fact.
Indeed, there is about five kilometeres from Hohoe before you get to the spot where Rolider contractors are working. It is supposed to be doing what is left. So, it is only about 5km and that was why we added Hohoe.
Mr Speaker, so when he got up to explain this, it is true. In fact, if you are to draw a line diagram, the road between Hohoe-Jasikan-Dodi Pepesu was far more than 60km and that must be on record as one of the things --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon Member, are you saying that what is in the Report is wrong? That 68km on that road -- ?
Mr Agbodza 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, no. That is exactly the point I am making, the length of the road to be done is 64km but when you mention Hohoe at a stop and Jasikan
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon Member, we are speaking to the Report - 66.4km. Is that wrong or not? If that is not wrong, then let us not belabour the point and proceed.
Mr Agbodza 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I did not question the length of the road, I was just giving information that somebody listening to us would think the length of the road between these three locations is 66.4km.
Mr Speaker, let me go on. In this document, there is no evidence that strangely --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on. Yes, Hon Chairman?
Mr Samuel Ayeh-Paye 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Ranking Member for the Committee on Roads and Transport is confusing the Report he is holding to that of the Commercial Agreement Report which is a Report for the Committee on Roads and Transport. We are now moving the motion on the Finance Committee Report on the deferred Agreement and not on the Contract Agreement.
What he is talking about is the question he asked at the Committee level and he was told that the road will be measured and those with contractors working on them, they will continue and the remaining part will be given to Sinohydro.
So I simply do not understand what he is saying; he is confusing the two Reports.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
What has he said that is wrong?
Mr Ayeh-Paye 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, what he is saying is in the Report of the Committee on Roads and Transport and so he should wait and when that Report comes, he can raise that issue and we will deal with it. What he is holding now is the Finance Committee Report.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Hon Member, continue.
Mr Agbodza 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, initially, this loan agreement was supposed to be US$500 million and now it has been broken down to US$490 million. If you add the insurance, it is US$646 million.
Mr Speaker, as a matter of fact, the accruals to the Road Fund for two years, will be equal to this money that we sought to borrow of which my Hon Colleagues are actually promising the entire country that because we are going to get US$400 million, we do not need US$640 million to build roads but less than half a million dollars to build the roads.
I am saying that Road Fund's accruals for two years is more than this amount of money and that is why we need to be careful as to whether this is a real value for money. This is because if we have the Road Fund that could do this, maybe, we do not have to embark on this journey.
Mr Speaker, the Finance Committee Report actually missed out a very important thing. I was hoping that this Committee would deal effectively with the issue of value for money but the simple -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:40 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minister for Monitoring?
Dr A. A. Osei 1:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, what he said is factually incorrect. Road Fund's accruals for two years is GH¢2.4 billion
and this loan is US$646 million and much bigger than GH¢2.4 billion. So he should not say that Road Fund's accruals amounts to it, it cannot be. He should not mix cedis and dollars; the two are not the same and by the way, I am not teaching him but just pointing out information.
Mr Agbodza 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my Hon Senior Colleague can lead me in this but 490 million multiplied by 4.9, what would we get? I cannot be wrong on this but I just want to remind my Hon Senior Colleague that we are not using US$2 billion to build a road, it is less than half a million. So, it is more than that.
I believe that my Hon Colleague understands the point I am making. I was hoping that the Finance Committee would insist that spending half a billion dollars on a project like this, I was looking for a recommendation from my Hon Colleagues to say that that quantum of money and the complexity of the work is such that we ought to obtain value for money ahead of time.
Mr Speaker, when I hear people say that this House is in a habit of approving things without value for money, I do not believe that it is something we should be proud of.
However, on this same Floor, this year, we have approved Agreements that came together with full value for money Reports and so, why cannot we continue and do the right things rather than use the wrong things we have done; whether in the years 2015, 2016 or 2017?
I have another issue I want to raise here; paragraph 6.3 is about the duration of the project. This Report tells us that there will be some level of Ghanaian participation and we are talking about
building 440km stretch of road and this contractor who is supposed to do this, has never built a kilometre of road in Ghana yet. Are we sure that he has the capability of doing all this road which, in fact, is not even on one stretch but at 10 different locations in this country?
Mr Speaker, sometimes, when we raise these issues, it is for all of us to think about what we do when we put pen to paper in this coutry because the duration of this project is 30 months.
We have not even done design nor approved them yet we are happy we are signing up to something but the contractor has got a leeway. There is nothing in this Agreement which penalises the contractor if he fails to deliver in 30 months and so, they do not care whether you are conversant with it.
I know that the Commercial Agreement will come but let me tell you this that the same document that was provided to the Finance Committee was provided to the Committee on Roads and Transport. I believe that this project is overpriced not because the colleagues at the Ministry of Roads and Highways did it, but I suspect that thorough work was not done at the Ministry to do this.
Mr Speaker, averagely, if you take US$650 million divided by 440km and take out the bridges and interchanges, you will have a kilometre of road under Sinohydro of equivalent to over US$1.2 million. [Uproar] -- This is not even asphalt but just two layers and I wonder what the Hon Majority Leader will say when he gets up.

He was the one who crusaded about the cost of roads in this country. Mr Speaker, US$1.2 million for a kilometre of road which is not asphalt could only be
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that either someone has closed his eyes on an obvious fraud -- because in the document provided to us, even a shot of a picture to be attached to the interim certificate is US$60.

Mr Speaker, just one picture and when we queried, they said that it is an item. Mr Speaker, no, because in some parts of the document, when it was an item, they listed it as an item, and when it was a unit cost, it was listed as a unit cost.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Member.
Mr Ayeh-Paye 1:50 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Ranking Member for the Committee on Roads and Transport is seriously misleading this House. He cannot look at the distance of a road to determine the cost.
Mr Speaker, we are to build an interchange of about two kilometres and we cannot just say that because of the length, it is expensive. Mr Speaker, we must consider the scope of works before we determine the price.
Mr Speaker, when we talk about interchanges in Tamale and Takoradi, we must put all these factors in to consideration before concluding on the cost of the project.
Mr Speaker, we are not considering the Commercial Agreement. This is a Report from the Finance Committee.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Member, if we go into the Hansard, you
would find several of the things you are saying in his words. So today, he is contradicting himself sharply, but he should bring the records to confirm that he had been arguing on one side and today, he is arguing on another side. So it is not a new point.
Mr Agbodza 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I actually took out the interchanges because we could not add the interchanges to the length of the road, so I limit it to the length of the road.
Mr Speaker, the finishing on the bridges is asphaltic and we could understand. That is why I said that the statement I have made should not be political; if building an ordinary two layer road in 2016 for GH¢1 million was expensive, then how on earth could we accept to do the same thing in 2019 for almost GH¢5 million?
Mr Speaker, I believe that the Committee should have done a better job. I hope that the issue I raised about a shot of a picture being US$60 -- Mr Speaker, the US$60 could buy a whole camera and so we should never accept this. We hope that all of this would be cleared out when the value for money is done. We cannot accept one picture for US$60 under this particular contract.
In conclusion, it is important for the Government of Ghana to invest heavily in road infrastructure. I would be the first person to say that we need a minimum of GH¢3 billion to GH¢4 billion every year for the Ministry of Roads and Highways to carry out their activities.
Mr Speaker, but in a hurry to do this, we should not open ourselves up for someone to dupe this country. I cannot imagine a kilometre of road, which is not asphaltic, to be US$1.2 million in this country.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Hon Chairman of the Committee?
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:50 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I do not know how much a kilometre of road costs. As a matter of fact, that was not what we were asked to do at the Finance Committee.
We were to approve of the terms and conditions of the Deferred Payment Agreement. So if he stands here to say that the Committee did not do a good job, then that was not what we were asked to do. I do not know how much a kilometre of road would cost. That is why -- [Interruption] --
Mr Speaker, Hon Members, as we should all learn the procedure. That is why the Commercial agreement was referred to the Committee on Roads and Transport and he is the Hon Ranking Member for that Committee. That was the work to be done at his Committee, and so, it is with the Commercial Agreement that we would be asked the scope of work and bill of quantities.
Mr Speaker, so, why is he doing this to himself? While we want to improve the terms and conditions of the loan, he is here talking about a kilometre of road at a cost of US$1.2 million. Mr Speaker, that is not what we do at the Finance Committee.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Member for North Tongu?
Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am grateful.
Mr Speaker, I rise on Standing Order 41 (1) which reads 1:50 p.m.
“At any time prior to three minutes before the stated time for concluding a Sitting a Member may --
(a) move for the adjournment of the House; or
(b) move for the extension of the Sitting to a definite time later than the stated time of concluding a Sitting.”
Mr Speaker, I would have moved for Standing Order 41 (1) (a) but we are winning the debate so we are in your hands [Laughter.] I beg to draw your attention so that you give us more time to win the debate successfully. [Laughter.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Member, thank you for drawing my attention. Having regards to the state of business, I direct that the House Sits outside the regular Sitting hours.
Hon Member, you may continue.
Mr Agbodza 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, like I said, this House should have been happy to accept this, but if GH¢2.5 million is what
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we wanted, then the Road Fund could have given us that. I am saying that the Finance Committee could have done a better job by finding out whether the terms and conditions -- not to just borrow money but the money must be applied to something. Mr Speaker, he raised an issue --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Member, the point that he raised was valid. The job of the Finance Committee is to consider the terms and conditions, but the Committee on Roads and Transport is to look at the works. So do not transpose your work to the Finance Committee.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I take your advice very seriously, but I would urge the Leadership and Parliament to consider whether it is high time that projects and bills like this could be considered at the same time by both the Finance Committee and Committee which would look at the subject matter, so that we could have a cross-fertilisation of ideas because somebody does not -- [Interruption.]
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:50 p.m.
Hon Members, if I recall correctly, I directed that the leadership of the Committee on Roads and Transport should sit with the Finance Committee and so this is not an issue to be brought back here.
Mr Agbodza 1:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Finance said some things that are not in --
Mr Speaker, but we could decide as a country to treat these issues as though it matters when we are on this Side or not, but at least, the Republic of Ghana is aware today, that while it was abhorrent to build a kilometre of road which is not asphaltic
for GH¢1 million in 2016, under the watch of President Akufo Addo and Vice- President Dr Bawumia, it is all right to build the same road for GH¢5 million. Mr Speaker, that is not what this country stands for.
I am happy that the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee has said that we are talking about a loan. At least, in his heart, he knows that this is a loan and not a barter, and I am happy that none of them has argued on the fact that it is wrong for Parliament to approve an EPC contract for any developer to charge us US$60 for a frame of a picture. Mr Speaker, that could only be an attempt by somebody to pretend and allow another person to freeze this country and flicker.
Mr Speaker, with you in the Chair, I do not think you would agree. You would not agree.
Mr Speaker, I would want to conclude by saying that as far as I am concerned, if my Side were to ask me for an advice, I would tell the Government to withdraw this Agreement and take it back. This time round, they should not take it to the Office of the Vice-President; they should take it to the Ministry of Roads and Highways and let them do a better job.
The next time we are in meetings about these, they should not let people from Flag Staff House come and sit in our meetings, they should let technocrats come and sit in the meetings so that they can do a better job.
Mr Speaker, I end here and cannot support this, not because I do not want roads, but I believe the document is totally wrong and we cannot support this.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon Anthony Effah?
Mr Anthony Effah (NPP - Asikuma/ Odoben/Brakwa) 2 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. -- [Interruption.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon Members, Order!
Mr Effah 2 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Synohydro facility as structured is one of the most innovative ways of financing infras- tructural development in our country so far.
Mr Speaker, the worry which our Hon Colleagues have, which I have detected, is a simple question they are unable to answer. The question simply is; can Ghana pay for the facility?
Mr Speaker, the structure of the facility gives a lot of assurance to us that it would be repaid on time. Even before we get to the details of the structure, I would want Hon Members to know that even under phase I, some provisions for the roads in Ashanti Region and the Western Region, which lead to the areas where we have bauxite deposits would be considered.
Mr Speaker, 68 kilometres of roads would be rehabilitated such that access to the bauxite, which would be the primary source of repayment, could be obtained.
Mr Speaker, we understand phase II has sufficient provisions for the establishment of the factories that would extract the bauxite so that it can be processed and guaranteed as a source of regular repayment.
Mr Speaker, it is common knowledge to know that when bauxite is exported raw, the value we get would obviously be much lower when it is --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon Members, there is too much noise here.
Mr Effah 2 p.m.
The decision that repayment of the infrastructure provided by Sinohydro would come from processed bauxite indicate to us that, the revenues to be generated would obviously have value addition which would increase the revenues that we anticipate.
Mr Speaker, reading around the bauxite industry, I came across a very important statement that if 100 per cent deposit of bauxite is mined, about 85 per cent of it would convert to metrological products which includes alumina.
Now, the remaining 15 per cent becomes by-product which could be used for either industrial production like cement and chemicals for industries; or for paints.
So this facility we are looking at would have about 85 per cent component being converted into alumina and other metals, then the 15 per cent would also give us a secondary line of production which would also generate revenue for the country.
Mr Speaker, the structure of the facility, as it stands, assures us of repayment. The assignment of proceeds from the refined bauxite is to give some comfort to the financiers who would be willing to provide all the funding upfront for the construc- tion of all these projects.
Mr Speaker, I have said to you that the refinery would be built in areas where we have the bauxite deposits. Once the funds are assigned to the financiers, the benefit that we would get is that it is not everything in the escrow account that would be transferred to the financiers.
The assurance here is that the Ministry of Roads and Highways would have to certify the job that has been done to enable a release of funds to meet repayment.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2 p.m.
Hon Collins Dauda?
Alhaji Collins Dauda (NDC - Asutifi North) 2:10 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, this House is being called upon to approve a facility which seeks to commit our bauxite resources to pay off the facility. I have a very serious difficulty in joining my Hon Colleagues on the other Side to approve this Agreement.
I say so because in this country, we have three main bauxite deposits; one at Awaso, the other one at Nyinahin and the last one at Kyebi. These are the resources we are being called upon to commit to the payment of this facility.
Mr Speaker, the Awaso reserve was granted on a lease to the Ghana Bauxite Company in 1997, and it is due to expire in 2022. Therefore it means that the deposit is encumbered.
This House cannot make any approval by committing that reserve for the payment of the facility. It is being worked upon. It is a mine that has existed and being worked upon. It started in 1997 and is supposed to expire in 2022.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Members, Order!
Alhaji Dauda 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the leases on the Nyinahin reserves expires in 2038. That is also committed. It is also encumbered so what is unencumbered is the one at Kyebi.
Mr Speaker, it would interest you to know that the chief of Kyebi has caused a billboard to be mounted right opposite the Jubilee House that nobody in this country should support mining of bauxite in the Atiwa Forest Reserve which is the one at Kyebi.
Mr Speaker, it is in the interest of this House to know which deposits we would be committing for the payment of this facility. Mr Speaker, we cannot make any blanket approval by committing our bauxite reserves for the payment of this facility.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, are you speaking to this Report?
Alhaji Dauda 2:10 p.m.
Yes, I am speaking to it, and if you like, I would read the paragraph --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Kindly refer to which page of the Report -- The Finance Committee has reported on the terms and conditions of the loan. The issues you have brought up are those that can generate into other things. I would want you to stay off and speak to the terms and conditions of this Agreement please.
Alhaji Dauda 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, let me refer you to the first paragraph of page 6 and with your permission, I read:
“The Government of Ghana under- takes to pay the total EPC contract price to Sinohydro using the proceeds from the sale of refined bauxite as source of funds.”
Mr Speaker, if bauxite is not mined, it cannot be processed. I am talking about the source of the bauxite which we are called upon to commit to the payment.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, there are bauxite deposits in Ghana and we can mine any of them. Whether a chief has put up a sign board as you alleged, it does not stop the Government of Ghana so, move away from that and speak to the terms of the Agreement.
Alhaji Dauda 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it would be very difficult for me to move away because we are called upon to commit, and I have made references to the various deposits that we have in the ground, unless probably, you have one in Bekwai that is not encumbered.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, let me talk to this matter. No Agreement --
Alhaji Dauda 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, do not debate.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
I am not debating because you have taken us to a matter which -- The Constitution is clear as to what can be done in this country.
What is not approved by this House would not constrain the people of Ghana. To the best of my knowledge, there is only one which has been approved by this House. So do not take us to places which would generate Constitutional argument. That is what I ask you.
Alhaji Dauda 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, whether on constitutional issues or not, the fact still remains that a company holds the lease and that is a commitment by the Government of Ghana to that company and that company has worked since 1997 unless Mr Speaker, you are proposing to terminate all those ones.
Mr Speaker, for the investor who is coming in, it is not even in his interest to venture into an area like this where he
Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation (Dr Anthony Akoto Osei) (MP) 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I deeply sympathise with my Hon Colleagues on the other Side. I recall when we dealt with the China Development Bank (CDB) loan, we were on the other Side and we raised similar concerns but in principle, we endorsed the construction of the Atuabo Gas Plant.
In fact, as a result of our criticisms, they went back to CDB for the next phase to be renegotiated. That is what the Government asks us to do. Hon Ato Forson, do you remember?
Mr Speaker, we on that Side felt that the construction of the Atuabo Gas Plant was so important for the nation that in spite of the high cost, which went from US$ 600 million to US$900 million, we went ahead and endorsed it.
Mr Speaker, this Government of Nana Addo Dankwa Akufo-Addo is a listening one. The Hon Minister for Finance at the Committee meeting -- Hon Ato Forson was not there -- conceded that it is an expensive loan.
Mr Speaker, if we want to construct very good roads, it is expensive.
If we look at where all the roads would go, we Hon Members must not traverse all these roads. Several times a year, we know what our constituents tell us.
When my good Friend from Ho goes around Hohoe, the constituents complain about the Hohoe roads and in spite of the fact that he knows we need the roads, he says he does not want them. I do not think he wants the people of Ghana.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Minister, what did you say about Hon Kpodo?
Dr A. A. Osei 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I said that he knows that his people in Hohoe and Ho want very good roads. Would he deny that? Mr Speaker, he cannot deny that.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Kpodo, what is your objection?
Mr Kpodo 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague said I do not want roads. That is palpably false. He should withdraw it. I want good roads in Ho and Hohoe.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, he says you are wrong. He wants good roads in Ho and Hohoe.
Dr A. A. Osei 2:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you that he has gone on record to say that he wants roads. I hope the rest of his Hon Colleagues would follow suit.
Mr Speaker, let me address the issue of value for-money audit. I do not know why Hon Members who have been in this House for a long time keep forgetting about what we do in sole-sourced projects. By law, we do not do the value-
for -money audit before it comes here, but it is the requirement that once Parliament approves it, it would be done.
Mr Speaker, I do not want to remind them that as we speak, the Atuabo Gas Plant contract never came to the House. We want to bring it to the House for the sake of transparency. Mr Speaker, the AMERI Energy project came to the House without value-for-money audit. They forget.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minority Leader is a lawyer. The law of sole- sourcing says that when we approve the agreement, there must be a value for- money audit afterwards, not before.
Mr Speaker, I agree with the Hon Ranking Member. I believe that the Hon Minister for Finance came on Saturday - -- He was not there -- He came to assure us --
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member was not there, but I would tell him what happened. At the time of negotiating this, Standard and Poor's (S&P) had not given us a very good credit rating. S&P has subsequently upgraded us. He has already been in discussions with Sinohydro that because of the upgrading, they would come and renegotiate.
So this represents the maximum cost. He would come back with better terms just like we have done with the CDB loan because of the criticisms that came around. Mr Speaker, I would want to appeal to my Hon Colleagues --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:10 p.m.
Hon Member, I want a clarification. You said this is the maximum cost, so what were the words he used here? Is it that we approved a specific sum or up to?
Dr A. A. Osei 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we would approve up to.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Very well.
Dr A. A. Osei 2:20 a.m.
This is only the first phase of the US$2 billion. Just yesterday, we went through the CDB Agreement. The same thing that happened to the CDB Agreement is what would happen to this one.
Mr Speaker, the timing of the beginning of the road construction is so crucial that it cannot wait till 2020 just like the construction of the Atuabo Gas Plant could not wait till 2019.
Mr Speaker, this was 2011 if you would recall. You were here. We went along but criticised the terms and we asked the Hon Minister to go back. In fact, Hon Forson was the one who was sent to go back and re-negotiate some of those better terms. Am I lying? But this was because we gave them good criticism.
Mr Speaker, let us throw politics aside. If the development of the nation could go on with better roads, let us approve it and remind the listening Government that they could do better and go back and do same.
If we defer this till 2020, you and I are going to traverse the roads. I do not want to be travelling on roads that could potentially kill me. Is that what we want to do? No! Mr Speaker, it is just like the ‘Free SHS'; they said we should wait and keep people at home.
We cannot do that. We are all Members of Parliament, when we go to our constituencies, people tell us about our roads. Hon Member for Adaklu, you are not listening.
Mr Dauda 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, is there anything wrong in signing a lease agreement in December of 2016?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Minister, continue. He hijacked the Floor but I would not grant him.
Dr A. A. Osei 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I cannot speak for the Supreme Court; this is a legal matter so, I rest my case. If he wants to speak for the Supreme Court, he could do it.
Mr Speaker, one of the issues that— I spoke about is the credit rating. So Hon Ato Forson, the Hon Minister is already in negotiation with Sinohydro that they need to re-consider Sinosure because of our credit rating.
Thankfully, because of the good work of Government, the rating has improved. Let us keep in mind that it is the Sinohydro's balance sheet that is being used for the loan. He is already in discussion and I can assure you that a lot of work is being done.
[Interruption.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Yes, Hon Ato Forson?
Mr Forson 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, this is a point of information. I just wanted to bring to the attention of my Hon Colleague that Sinosure would not only consider Government of Ghana's credit rating but they would consider political risks as well. So he should not base his argument only on credit rating. Political risk insurance is a matter we should look at.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Dr A. A. Osei 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, our political environment was considered and the credit rating went up. Does he understand that? They considered our political environment and raised the credit rating, so Sinosure would consider that. At the time they had the discussion it was low, and political risk was one of the problems, but they have all been considered. So it
could only be better than this. That is why it is important to emphasise the point, ‘up to'. I can assure you, the Hon Minister for Finance would come back to this House with revised—
Mr Speaker, I do not want to belabour the point. I would want my Hon Colleagues to know that this is a very important development for the Go- vernment of Ghana. Let us put politics aside; let us criticise the Government to go and do better in terms of negotiation.
Let us request the Government to make sure that the value-for-money is done and done robustly. If we do that, we would be saving ourselves and the people of Ghana will be provided with good roads.
Mr Speaker, I thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Member for Tamale Central?
Alhaji Inusah Abdulai B. Fuseini (NDC -- Tamale Central) 2:20 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the debate on the Floor of the House.
Mr Speaker, I have heard on this Floor, references being made to past Agreements that came to this House. Those past Agreements are unlike this one. Mr Speaker, the past Agreements that have been referred to copiously in this House have been Agreements with banks.
So we have heard references made to the China Exim Bank; we have heard references made to the China Deve- lopment Bank (CDB). Mr Speaker, this Agreement is not referring to a bank.
Mr Speaker, the Agreement we are considering today is an Engineering Procurement and Construction (EPC) Agreement. That is turnkey; we are trying to do a turnkey project.
What it means and what we are trying to approve today is that, a contractor has come to us with terms and conditions, we have agreed to those terms and conditions, we have given him a blank cheque and we are saying that he should use the terms and conditions to go source for funding to come and do this project. That is the Agreement we are approving, it is not an Agreement with a bank.
Mr Speaker, and that is why we must be concerned. The EPC or turnkey Agreement simply means that the contractor who has negotiated or to whom we have given this blank cheque or agreed to the terms and conditions under which he would undertake those projects, would be the person or the contractor to undertake those projects. This means that we have indirectly already awarded the contract to the contractor. So we must be concerned.
Mr Speaker, we are being told here that the contractor is Sinohydro. We know Sinohydro built the Bui Dam. We know that when Sinohydro was building the Bui Dam, it was an EPC contract.
We also know that when Sinohydro started the construction, the amounts of money they earmarked for the completion of the Bui Dam fell short and we had to go for extra money. So we must be concerned.
Mr Speaker, what roads are going to be done? We are united on the objectives of the roads. Roads are critical, and I have said time and again that the importance of road development in this country is as important to us as Ghanaians as the discovery of the sea route to India.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Yes, what is your point of order?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, our rules frown on anticipation with respect to Standing Order 95.
Mr Speaker, my very respected senior Hon Colleague argues that the fact that there were issues that resulted in the variation of a sort in the Bui Dam construction, whether himself or his Side ought to be concerned as to a similar thing occurring.
Mr Speaker, seriously, this cannot go into the records. He cannot juxtapose a situation against another when he does not have real facts.
Mr Speaker, our rules are clear, and my respected senior learned Colleague knows what I am talking about.
Mr Speaker, accordingly, I invite you to rule that that part of his submission be expunged. He is not supposed to apologise to us. But you are inviting him to withdraw so that that part is expunged from the records.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Member you are out of order.
Hon Member please continue.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much.
History simply teaches us that the present depends on the past and the future depends on the present and that is why we must be concerned.
Mr Speaker, we are united. Roads are very good because when we construct good roads, as captured in the Report, it would reduce the cost of operation on vehicles — [Interruption] — the benefits would pass on to consumers. So vehicle owners would take the benefits, and so we agree.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Members, that is grossly out of order.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I understand. Sometimes the truth can be hurtful.
Dr A. A. Osei 2:20 a.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague was not here. I just want to give him information that his own Hon Colleague from Adaklu has given this House the information of the circumstance over there and the answer has been given so I do not know why he is going to repeat it. I just want to remind him.
Alhaji I. A. B. Fuseini 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I have taken the information on board. But my only concern is that we have been told on item numbered10 that that road is 66.40 km and the cost to completion of that road is US$58,657,689.25. That is the total cost of the road provided here.
Mr Speaker, Sinohydro is to execute an EPC contract. The Adenta-Dodowa dual carriageway road was designed in 2016. The contract is an EPC contract. It is a turnkey. It means that the contractor would design, procure and construct, and I say that, that road was designed in 2016.
Mr Speaker, we are being told that the Sunyani Inner City Roads would cost this nation, US$57,960,394.40. It is a 39km road. That road was being constructed by a contractor called Amo Prempeh. Part of that road has already been constructed, so how would that total cost of 39km road be the basis of computation for the Sunyani Inner City Road?
Mr Speaker, we are being told that we should presently not question the value for money because it would come later. We hope the value for money would come.
Mr Speaker, items numbered 3 and 4 are interchanges; one interchange would be at Tamale, actually, in the centre of my constituency. Under the previous Administration, it was called Rivoli Interchange. Those who know Tamale, it would be at Rivoli.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Members, order!
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:20 a.m.
Mr Speaker, that interchange was to be constructed with funds from the Turkish Exim Bank. It would interest us to know how much the interchange was to cost the country. That interchange was never done and so we are going to do it under the Sinohydro.
Mr Speaker, but curiously enough is one interchange at the cost of US$46,
Mr B. Acheampong 2:20 a.m.
On a point of order.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:20 a.m.
Hon Minister, you are out of order.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, if for anything at all, the people of Tamale would know that as Minister for Roads and Highways, I had plans for them — [Laughter] — and those plans are being carried into effect by this Government.
Mr Speaker, so the obvious question would be what accounts for the difference between the interchange to be cons- tructed in Tamale and the interchange to be constructed in Takoradi?
Mr Speaker, the whole of Northern Ghana - Northern, Upper East and Upper West Regions -- out of the amount of US$500 million that we are sourcing, less than 10 per cent of the amount would be spent in the entire Northern Ghana and that amount would be spent on an interchange in Tamale. I thought the roads in Upper East and Upper West Regions vet for construction --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on.
Yes, Hon Minister for Defence?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Hon Members, -- [Pause]
[Interruption] [Uproar]
Hon Members, order!
Some Hon Members — rose -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Hon Members, kindly resume your seats.
The Hon Minister for Defence raised a point of order. I am supposed to rule on it and so what is all this about people shouting this or that?
Hon Members, the statement that Hon Fuseini made is a fact. Of the amount of money approved, what is going to be used for the Tamale Interchange Project

Hon Member, conclude.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with the whole EPC Contract, the contractor has gotten government to agree that the money that it would source for from whichever bank would be underwritten by Sinosure and that the risk should be passed unto us.
Mr Speaker, never mind that we are already going to pay interest on the money. Never mind that we would establish an escrow account to receive proceeds of the bauxite sales. Never mind that even if we fail to redeem our debt, we are going to pay interest on delayed payments -- never mind.
The contractor has gotten this Government to agree to a 7 per cent on the funds and we think this is prudent and fine.
Mr Speaker, this Agreement, clearly, --
Dr A. A. Osei 2:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is a very good Friend of mine. If it were in law, I would stay away from it.
Mr Speaker, Sinosure Premium has nothing to do with the contractor and it is not the contractor who is forcing the Government. It is the Government that is using this Sinosure Insurance Company to hedge against risk. It is not the contractor imposing that obligation. So, the Hon Member should just be careful.
Alhaji I.A.B. Fuseini 2:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am even more surprised that the Government itself will voluntarily elect to insure the moneys that would be procured by Sinosure Premium. This is because the
Mr Speaker, that is reflected on page 6 of the Report. It reads 2:40 p.m.
“The Government of Ghana under- takes to pay the total EPC contract price to Sinohydro using ‘deposits' from the sale of refined bauxite as source funds.”

Hon Minister, that was exactly what I said, or is it that you did not hear me?
Dr A. A. Osei 2:40 p.m.
Hon Member, no. You said ‘deposits'. [Uproar.]
Mr Speaker, this is a House of record and that is the reason I try to advise him to stay away from that -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Hon Minister, you said ‘deposits' but the Report says “proceeds” and not ‘de- posits'.
Dr A. A. Osei 2:40 p.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. So he should withdraw the statement that it is “deposits”. He is misleading this House if he says “deposits”.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Hon Member, the Report says “proceeds from the sale of refined bauxite” and not deposits. Let your records reflect so, please.
Alhaji I. A.B. Fuseini 2:40 p.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, in conclusion, this
Agreement would not by any stretch of imagination bring us value-for-money. I agreed with the Hon Minister for
Monitoring and Evaluation when he said on the Floor of the House that the roads to be constructed under this Agreement would be very expensive.
I thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:40 p.m.
Minority Leadership?
Mr James Klutse Avedzi (NDC -- Ketu North) 2:40 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I rise to speak to the Motion on the Floor.
Some Hon Members 2:40 p.m.
[Shouts] You are against!
Mr Avedzi 2:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, every member of this House needs roads; our constituents need roads and for that matter, whenever government comes for a facility to construct road, no Member would be opposed to that if the right things are done. Mr Speaker, we oppose it because the right things are not being done.
Mr Speaker, I would tell you why the right things are not being done. The first is that the Report of the Finance Committee says that the Sinohydro Corporation Limited would finance 85 per cent of the contract and the total EPC Contract Agreement amount is US$497,200,051.27.
If we calculate 85 per cent of US$497, 200,051.27, we would get US$422 million. Fifteen per cent which is US$74 million would be financed through Government's contribution.
Mr Speaker, if that is the case, on the first paragraph of page 6 of the same Report says that, “Government of Ghana
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Hon Member, please, hold on.
Yes, Hon Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation?
Dr A. A. Osei 2:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it amazes me when the other Side of the House starts making an argument and they feel they have to make reference to me. Do they want me to support them? Is that what they are asking me?
Mr Speaker, I respect the Hon Deputy Minority Leader because he is part of Leadership, but he should stop referring
to me because I am no longer the Ranking Member. I am on the Majority Side and so he should stop referring to me as his Ranking Member.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member, continue.
Mr Avedzi 2:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would stop referring to the Hon Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation but he understands the point I am raising.
My second point is on page 4 of the Report; the terms and conditions of the Agreements. The format of the terms and conditions has changed here but we would want to look at it. We always looked at the amount being borrowed; the tenure, grace period, interest, et cetera. and then the portion that relates to the interest cost can also be shown. The total amount could also be shown. They decided to bring it forward.
Mr Speaker, now, it is not clear what the actual amount being borrowed is. This is because it states that the EPC amount including financing cost is US$646, 637,879.74. It is not clear how much the actual money being borrowed is. If we take the terms sheet we would not know how much the actual amount being borrowed is.
This is based on the fact that the Report says that Sinohydro Corporation Limited is taking 85 per cent and government is undertaking to pay Sinohydro Corpo- ration Limited the full amount. We need to know the actual amount being borrowed.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Effutu?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with respect, the Hon Deputy Minority Leader is misleading the House. In Hon Forson's
submission, he said that we are paying for 100 per cent and I came to draw the attention of the House to the fact that it was not so.
Now, the Hon Deputy Minority Leader says it is not clear. This is not the way to face Dr Bawumia. With this argument, there would be problem for you. Withdraw, focus on the issues and do not create uncertainties where there are none. He would be debating Dr Bawumia and this should not be his approach. He would have difficulties.
Mr Speaker, I rest my case.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:50 p.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order.
Mr Avedzi 2:50 p.m.
Mr Speaker, any attempt to derail me from my point would not work. He should listen to me carefully. If we are borrowing US$422 million which is 85 per cent of the EPC amount, then the commitment fee, management fee and insurance must all be calculated on the US$422 million.
Mr Speaker, let me take you to the table attached to the Report. The LOT 1 - Original EPC Contract Price is US$72,837,698.14. If we calculate 85 per cent of this, we would not get US$72,837,698.14. The amount would definitely be less. But if we look at the management fee, US$586,524.52 which is 0.80 per cent of the entire US$72,837,698.14. Meanwhile, page 4 of the Report says that management fee is 0.70 per cent flat.
Let us use 0.70 per cent on the US$72,837,698.14 for the LOT 1 and we would get US$509,000.00 and not US$586,524.52. So, the Hon Chairman of the Committee should take note. This runs through all the LOTs.
Mr Avedzi 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would use the US$497, 200,051.27 and seven per cent flat on that amount.

Mr Speaker, I have the figure but I would want someone to calculate it for me. If we calculate seven per cent on US$497,200,051.27, we would get US$34.8 million and not US$62,216,459.72 million as quoted in here -- [Uproar] where is the US$28 million coming from?

Mr Speaker, I wonder why the Hon Chairman of the Committee should come here with this Report. Seven per cent on the EPC Contract Price of US$497,200,051.27 should give us US$34.8 million and not US$62,216,459.72 million. So, we would want the Ministry of Finance to come clear.

Mr Speaker, management fee is separate and commitment fee is separate;

The insurance is separate, so I am talking about it. Here, the total for insurance is US$62.2 million, but it should be US$34.8 million. We want this to be corrected. The insurance of seven per cent we are to pay should not be US$62 million; it should be US$34 million.

We would want the Hon Chairman of the Committee and the Hon Minister for Finance
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
Hon Chairman, do you want to speak to the arithmetic he has talked about? Before the Hon Majority Leader comes in, you would want to speak to the arithmetic.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minority Leader raised a number of issues, and I would want to address them.
First, yes, it is true that Sinohydro --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
Only the arithmetic -- I would not give you a second chance to debate.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, if it were that straight forward, all that he did would be correct. He said that the management fee, as given in the terms and conditions, is zero point seven per cent flat, so he applied it to the amount.
Mr Speaker, the truth of the matter is that if Ghana were to pay the management fee upfront, then we would apply the zero point seven per cent flat -- but the management fee is also financed. [Interruption.] So there is an interest -- the management and commitment fees, and the Sinosure premium -- [Interruption.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
Order! Order!
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thought they wanted an explanation to these.
The management and commitment fees, the Sinosure premium, and the interest and fees joint construction are all being financed. So if it were the case that the total amounts at the bottom did not add up to the US$646 million --
Mr Speaker, in truth, we could take the appendix out of the Report. [Inter- ruption.] It changes nothing. The total amount is US$646 million and then the terms and conditions were given. We then gave a breakdown of the US$646 million here.
So the Sinosure premium, the commitment and management fees, and the interest joint contract all add up to be US$646 million. There is no ambiguity here. These are also being financed, so it is not straight forward zero point seven per cent
flat like he did. That is not the mathematics behind this one.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader -- ?
Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei- Mensah-Bonsu) 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, just a few issues.

Mr Speaker, the entire road network in the country is in the region of 73,000 kilometres, out of which more than 60 per cent is in very poor shape. So, it is important for us, as a country, to up our game in road construction.

The point has been made by an Hon Colleague, Mr Agbodza, that, perhaps, we could apply the Road Fund to this construction if we accumulate it for two years.

Mr Speaker, in theory, that is right; but he knows that the Road Fund, which attracts about GH¢1.2 billion every year has been encumbered to the tune of GH¢5.7 billion. So, what does he talk about when he says that we should apply the Road Fund?

The Road Fund, as of December, 2016 has been encumbered to the tune of almost GH¢10 billion. When this new Administration assumed the reins of government, we went through the contracts, and they decided that some of them -
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
Hon Leader, sorry.
Hon Member for Adaklu -
Mr Agbodza 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, ordinarily, I would not interject --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3 p.m.
Go through and tell me what he has said wrong.
Mr Agbodza 3 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Road Fund being encumbered by GH¢10 billion - he is talking about the indebtedness to contractors under the Ministry of Roads and Highways. When we checked the Road Fund at the level of the Committee, it never owed GH¢10 billion to contractors in the year 2016; that is not factual.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am not talking about indebtedness; I am talking about commitments of the Road Fund. [Laughter.] When it has encumbered, it is committed --
In fact, in totality, it is even US$11.7billion as at December, 2016, and he knows that and so, let us move away from that.
Now, I know that today, the indebted- ness as you talked about is over US$5 billion and so, what is he talking about when he says that we shall accumulate for two years and apply same?
Mr Speaker, secondly, I thought it was very simplistic when he said that if you calculated the amount to be expended on a construction of 441.59km, it amounts to US$1.2million per kilometre. That is incorrect.
First of all, he elected not to add the stretch of the interchanges at Tamale and Takoradi and why he chose to do that conveniently, only he can tell. However, he elected not to add the construction of drains and bridges.
That is the point at stake and in any event, on the average, he knows that a two-tier interchange in this country as at December 2016 was US$59 million and he knows that a three-tier as at December 2016, was in the region of US$85 million and we are not even talking about the stretch of road that would be added to the interchange.
Mr Speaker, so he should not go there when he tries to confuse the system. The Hon Member got it totally wrong and it is a confusion of the figures because he was not speaking to the facts.
In any event, the Ministry of Roads and Highways would tell you that as of December, the average cost of cons- truction of a kilometre of asphalted road in this country is US$1.5 million - the highest in the entire sub-region and the figures are there.
Alhaji Muntaka 3:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with the greatest of respect, the Hon Majority Leader knows the rules of this House. He cannot just mention figures by saying that as at December 2016, a kilometre stretch of road in this country costs US$1.5 million. Where is his source? He was talking about cost of overheads and is he saying that it is for this reason that we should not have value-for-money for this?
Please, if he wants to quote, he should quote sources so that it could be cross- checked but he is just bundling figures without giving us any source and telling us to go and check at the Ministry of Roads and Highways -- Where at the Ministry of Roads and Highways is he talking about? Is it the urban roads?
Mr Speaker, since he is speaking facts, he should give us the source that could be cross-checked other than that he should spare us these bundled figures that have no source.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I have told him that these are figures from the Ministry of Roads. Indeed, it is unfortunate the former Hon Minister for Roads and Highway is not here and he has quoted these figures in this House; the Hon Inusah Fuseini.
There exists in an official publication that he quoted here and so, if the Hon (Alhaji) Muntaka was not here, he should not bring us back. An Hon Member of Parliament should know what constitutes an official publication and any information that exists in it, he cannot say that I should rather produce the figures. [Interruption] -- Mr Speaker, people should not be wasting our time.
The Hon Member talked about the cost -- the amount that is being contracted is US$422 million for the road projects. The Hon Ato Forson tells us that the total accumulation which is the interest to be paid on it is US$150 million. That will add to the US$422 million and the total then will be US$572 million for the US$422 million over the 15 year period plus the grace period, will amount to US$572 million.
Mr Speaker, if you add the US$74 million that government is supposed to pay, then you will have the total EPC amount which is US$646,637,879.74 and that is it; if you add the US$74 million to US$572 million. That is simple and people ought to have addressed their minds to this.
Secondly, now the US$150 million that he says makes it very expensive, if you compound two per cent interest on US$422 million for 12 years, it gives you US$150 million and that will give you US$572 million and they are saying that it is too expensive. People should apply themselves to this and because the money has been offloaded upfront, people are getting confused by saying it is too
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:10 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, please hold on. Yes, Hon Ato Forson?
Mr Forson 3:10 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I make reference to the last page of the Committee's Report. They have indeed given us a breakdown of the cost contrary to what the Hon Majority Leader is saying.
The breakdown of the cost is simple; ‘Management Fee' is US$4,194,407.07, ‘Commitment Fee' is US$2,648,164.56, ‘Sinosure Premium' is US$62,216,459.72 and ‘Interest and Fees for Interest During Construction Period' is US$80,378,797.10 and if you are to add all of them, we will get US$150 million.
That is the cost and so, if you are borrowing an amount of US$422 million of which you are paying US$150 million, it simply means that you are spending 35 per cent of the principal and that is what I said. Please, he should stay with the numbers and nothing else.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:10 p.m.
Hon Member, that is your interpretation.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:10 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we are not even speaking across purposes but I am just quoting the figure that he quoted -- US$422 million over a 15 year period. Mr Speaker, subtract the three year grace period and compound two per cent on US$422 million and it gives you US$150 million.
So, I am telling him that it is not even expensive. They have brought facilities to this House where the interest rate was in dollar terms of 3.4 to 3.7 per cent. I tell you that when you calculate this is by the US$150 million, it is two per cent
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:20 p.m.
compounded for 12 years. [Interruption] -- What of the ones that they brought here of five per cent and so on? This loan is even cheaper.
Mr Speaker, when they loaded it upfront and made it appear as if it was huge -- 35 per cent -- they should work it out and they will see that they are just throwing dust into the eyes of the people. They should go back to what they did at the Kasoa interchange and work the percentage out and you will then realise that in that case, it will shoot to about 75 per cent.
We are in Ghana and the Parliament of this country, I am not saying that whatever issues that have been raised in terms of value-for-money, -- we need to have it since it will assist us in our oversight responsibilities. So, I agree that we need that.

Mr Speaker, so going forward, if it has not been done then we should demand that, but to make it appear as if this is the most expensive facility, then we are not being truthful to ourselves if we allow this to hold.

Again, somebody rose and tried to compare the prices of interchanges - no two interchanges are the same because we are talking about the wings, the tiering; whether two tier or three tier, the stretch of roads that would accompany the interchange.

So no two interchanges are the same and for a former Hon Minister for Roads and Highways to just rise up and simplistically do the comparison, I thought it was most unfortunate to say the least.

Mr Speaker, the other issue that the Hon Minister conceded to is that even with this, if we were in a better condition at the time of negotiation, then the facility could still have come down because at the time that we were negotiating, the country's position was B- but today, we are in B stable.

So if we are negotiating today then the facility could have still come down for us. Perhaps, maybe at the end of the day if we averaged we could go for one per cent or 1.5 per cent. That is the import of what the Hon Minister said but not to admit that this is the most expensive facility that has been contracted.

Mr Speaker, for the records, the Hon Minister never said so. I heard the Hon Colleague say that we should ask Parliament which deposit of bauxite we would pledge against this facility.

Mr Speaker, as far as this Parliament is concerned, no lease with respect to Nyinahin has been ratified by this House and the Mineral Resources Management Act provides that every such lease should be ratified by Parliament. It is as simple as that.

So, if someone decides to go and pan out -- December 28th --

Mr Speaker, in fact, officially, the deal was sealed on 3rd January, 2017, when elections had been held, results had been declared and two or three days before handing over, they went and did this.

Mr Speaker, that is a subject for the courts to decide, but as far as Parliament is concerned that lease has not been ratified by this House and as far as we are concerned, it is a nullity - it is null and void and the courts would pronounce it finally.

Mr Speaker, on that note, let me urge my Hon Colleagues that what we are doing is right and if we need to improve it further then we could come together collectively.

We all need roads and so we could come together collectively and further improve on what ought to be done or what lies ahead going forward.

Mr Speaker, thank you very much.

Question put and Motion agreed to.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:20 p.m.
Hon Deputy
Minister, you may take Resolution numbered 9.
RESOLUTIONS 3:20 p.m.

Minister for Finance) 3:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181(5) of the Constitution the terms and conditions of any international business or econo- mic transaction to which the Government of Ghana is a party shall not come into operation unless the said terms and conditions have been laid before Parliament and approved by Parliament by a Resolution supported by the votes of a majority of all Members of Parliament;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181(5) of the Constitution, and at the request
of the Government of Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Health, there has been laid before Parliament the terms and conditions of a Deferred Payment Agreements between the Republic of Ghana represented by the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Roads and Highways AND Synohydro Corporation Limited setting the terms and conditions of the deferral of payments under the EPC Contract Agreement in respect of Construction/Rehabili- tation of Selected Roads and Interchanges in Ghana -- Phase
1.
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 3:20 p.m.

HEREBY RESOLVE AS 3:20 p.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:20 p.m.
Hon Second Deputy Speaker would take the Chair.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:20 p.m.


Hon Members, order!
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I was going to urge my Hon Colleagues to let us take the Motion numbered as 6. Mr Speaker, if they could indulge the House for us to do it quickly.

Mr Speaker, may I know from you what the directive was. I understand that the debate had been concluded and it was just for the Question to be put, but I am being told that you requested for further work to be done.

So if I could know of the nature of work to be done and then if we have to adjourn then we would, but if we could do it today, then we would do it today.

Mr Speaker, I was not here and so I would want to hear what transpired.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:20 p.m.
I had asked the Hon Second Deputy Speaker to take the Chair but because you suggested that I should adjourn, I have made him disrobe.
What I said was that the Report should reflect that they had obtained the certification from the Ghana Civil Aviation Authority. They showed me a report which suggested that the process is almost at the end and the certification would be issued.
A letter was shown to me this morning. That was the outstanding matter and there were some disagreements with the figures and I asked them to reconcile. Hon Forson quoted some figures that were disputed
by the Hon Minister so I asked them to reconcile. Those were the two things that I asked to be done.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I have seen the request for certification to be granted by the Ghana Civil Aviation Authority, but I cannot really vouch for the members of the Committee. I am also told that they had requested for a report on the Ghana Civil Aviation Authority's visit to Zipline Rwanda and the report is here.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:20 p.m.
I have seen that.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so if the Committee agrees that they have been furnished with this then I believe that we could take the vote.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:20 p.m.
Hon Chairman, have you done what I requested you to do?
Dr Kwabena Twum-Nuamah 3:20 p.m.
Mr Speaker, rightly so.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Hon Ranking Member, have you done what I requested you to do?
Mr Chireh 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. We have not met as a Committee. Nobody has talked to me. The clarification on the cost has not been explained to anybody. Yesterday, the Director-General of the Ghana Health Service held a press conference to say so many things.
The second issue is that, the Hon Deputy Minister for Information, Hon Pius Hadzide, said that they were coming to use their numbers to pass this through.
First of all, I have not been contacted. Our Side has not met with anybody for any explanation. Since it is numbers that are speaking, anything that you want done here would be done because they have the numbers and not that it is correct. If something is wrong; it is wrong.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Yieleh Chireh is talking about two things. First, he is saying that the Committee has not met to decide on the matter. That is something else, but he ended by saying that if something is wrong, it is wrong.
Is he then saying that they would consider whatever is done wrong? If that is the position, then we can vote. But if it is that the Committee has not met, then I would concede that in that case, let the Committee meet. This is because, that is the essence of it. To say that what is wrong is wrong in his view, I think that is neither here nor there.
That is why I am saying that if we are to go on that tangent, then I would say that we should vote. If the issue is that the Committee which you recommended should meet and reconcile have not met. then respectfully, suggest to the Committee that they do so. But the other leg that he added to me, it is a disabled leg that must be decapitated.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Hon Minority Leader, you were on your feet?
Mr Haruna Iddrisu 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this House is the Parliament of Ghana. The Parliament of Ghana is not a committee or a committee chairman that when you make reference to a document, the Hon Leader would say he has seen it. I would also say
I have not seen it; I am a Member of this House and a citizen of Ghana who is exercising his right in the representative function. Therefore, this intolerance must cease that we cannot make demands that when we are dealing with the demands one would be sober and hold sheet saying he has seen it. He should show it to us, in courtesy. He should share it with us.
Mr Speaker, this morning, I raised this issue. Did the Hon Chairman tell his Leader? Has he come here? I even urged my Hon Colleague, the Doctor, that he should engage Hon Yieleh Chireh. He did not do that.
Nobody says they do not have the numbers to take a decision. They can, but we have the right to say that we do not want to be part of the decision. They cannot compel us, and they cannot have a document and keep it to themselves and compel us to accept it. We would not.
Mr Speaker, so you gave a directive. You remember that when the Hon Majority Chief Whip on behalf of the Hon Leader raised motions numbered 6 before he moved to 8, I drew your attention that all we expected was that they respect your directive. There is nothing more.
Further to it, I met one of my Hon Colleagues and encouraged him that he should engage my Senior Colleague, the Hon Yieleh Chireh. Let the Committee meet; let them look at the referral and what they have and satisfy themselves before they come and report to us. There was nothing more.
Mr Speaker, at this state, I believe the Hon Leaders should be moving for adjournment of the House. We are ready at any day to take any motion, but they should share any document they have with us.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Yes, Hon
Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I just reiterated the point that when this direction was given to the Committee, I was not even in the Chamber. I have just sighted this document. So it is not as if I received it and decided not to share it with anybody. I think that point must be made clear.
Mr Speaker, for that reason, I do not see where the intolerance is coming from. I do not see where it is coming from.
Mr Speaker, I paused and said because I was not here I would want to listen to you, the directive that came from the Chair because I was not here.
Then, I said that if the issue is that the Committee should meet and reconcile whatever, I am all for it because the Hon Ranking Member has spoken to it that the Committee has not met. Then he said, ‘‘what is wrong is wrong''. And I said to him that in that case, if he has preconceived an idea that they are going to oppose it, then we can vote on it.
But if the issue is that you directed that the Committee should meet and the Committee has not met, then that is at the centre of it, in which case I would urge that we allow the Committee to meet. That was what I said. So, I do not see where this commentary on intolerance is coming from.
If there is any person or any group on short circuit, the people of this country know.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Hon Chairman, did you meet as a Committee?
Dr Twum-Nuamah 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, respectfully, the directive was for us to
get the documentary evidence of the regulation from the Ghana Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA). We got that and furnished your goodself with it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Hon Member, what I said was that let the Report reflect that GCAA has authorised them to operate here. If the Committee has got it, let the Committee confirm that in the Report.
Hon Ranking Member, have you not seen it?
Mr Chireh 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I listened to you very attentively when you said that we should first get this certification from the GCAA, but more importantly, that we should reconcile it because the Hon Ranking Member for the Finance Committee raised issues about the different rates and the total cost of the project. These required explanation.
What I am also saying further is that instead of my Hon Chairman to, at least, confer with me on the issue or call the Committee for us to reflect what has been said, what he did was to attend a press conference, and I also told --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
Hon Members, both Sides have done the politics of it. Just come to the House.
Mr Chireh 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I have not seen it. We have not met and not even reconciled it.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 3:30 p.m.
Mr Speaker, that is why I wanted to hear you. If the directive was that the certification should reflect in the Report, as the Report is now, it does not capture this and has not been captured by the Hansard.
So, I would entreat the Committee to have the Report amended now, if it is
possible, with the concurrence of the Hon Ranking Member, then we could have it amended to include this. That is if he has read it and is satisfied, then we could include it. So the Report would be so amended and thereafter we can take a vote on that.
I think that is the best way forward.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 3:30 p.m.
I think that is the appropriate thing to do. From what I have seen, I cannot include it in your Report.
ADJOURNMENT 3:30 p.m.