Debates of 24 Jun 2020

MR SPEAKER
PRAYERS 11:43 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 11:43 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Hon Members, Correction of the Votes and Proceedings of 23rd June, 2020.
Page 1 - 15 …
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Mr Ablakwa 11:43 a.m.
Mr Speaker, at page 12, item numbered (vii), the Agreement between the State of Qatar and Ghana has not been accurately captured. On Ghana's side, it is diplomatic passport and on the side of Qatar, it is diplomatic and special passports. We raised that matter clearly yesterday. Could it be corrected accordingly?
Mr Speaker, since you got to page 15, let me also point out that at page 15, first paragraph, before the date, we need to insert the word “on” to read “on 27th May, 2020”. The word “on” has been omitted.
Mr Speaker, we need to do same at page 18 as well in the last paragraph to read “on 27th May, 2020”. Then the correction that pertains to the passports on the side of Qatar should also be effected.
Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Thank you very much.
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Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Dr Afriyie 11:43 a.m.
Mr Speaker, on page 6, I duly filled a form to be absent but I have been placed in the absent column. I should be captured under absent with permission.
Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Thank you.
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Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Hon Members, the Votes and Proceedings of 23rd June, 2020, as corrected is hereby adopted as the true record of proceedings.
We have two Official Reports. The Official Report of 16th March, 2020. Any corrections?
Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Hon Members, the Official Report of 2nd June, 2020. Any correction?
Mr Ablakwa 11:43 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Official Report of 2nd June, column 047, second paragraph, it should read “University of Professional Studies, Accra”. That is the proper nomenclature.
Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Hon Members, in the absence of any further correction, the Official Report of 2nd June is adopted accordingly, subject to the correction made.
Hon Members, at the Commencement of Public Business, item numbered 4(a), by the Hon Majority Leader.
PAPERS 11:43 a.m.

Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Item numbered 4(b), by the Minister for Information.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:43 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister for Information is in the Chamber, and I am seeking the leave of the Speaker and the indulgence of colleague Hon Members to allow her to present the Paper on behalf of the Minister.
By the Deputy Minister for Information (Nana Dokua Asiamah-Adjei) on behalf of the Minister for Information --
Budget Performance Report in Respect of the Ministry of Information for the period January to December, 2019
Referred to the Committee on Communications.
Mr Speaker 11:43 a.m.
Item numbered 4(c), by the Chairman of the Finance Committee.
Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah 11:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Reports in items numbered (i) and (ii) are both not ready.
Mr Speaker 11:53 p.m.
Hon Members, item numbered (d) by the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Mines and Energy.

Speaker, as I told you yesterday, the Report is also not ready. So we can go to item numbered 6.
Mr Speaker 11:53 p.m.
Hon Members, item listed 6 -- Motions.
MOTIONS 11:53 p.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 11:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Budget Performance Report in Respect of the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation for the period January to December, 2019.
1.0 Introduction
The Budget Performance Report in respect of the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation for the period January to December, 2019 was presented to the House on Tuesday 19th May, 2020 by the Minister responsible for Roads and Highways, Mr Kwasi Amoako-Atta on behalf of the Minister responsible for Monitoring and Evaluation.
In accordance with article 103 of the Constitution and Order 169 of the Standing Orders of the House, the Report was referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report.
The Committee subsequently met and considered the Report with the Deputy Minister for Monitoring and Evaluation (MoME), Hon William Kwasi Sabi and a team of officials from the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation (MoME) and hereby present this report to the House.
2.0 Background
The Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation (MoME) exists to facilitate, coordinate, monitor and evaluate programmes and projects aimed at addressing the develop- mental needs of Ghana through the deployment of skilled human resources and modern technology to enhance data management, information dissemination and feedback on government programmes and projects for national development.
2.1 Vision
The vision of the Ministry is to undertake monitoring and evaluation for transformational results.
2.3 Goal
The goal of the Ministry is to institutionalise results-based management and evaluative practice across the public sector leading to improved results delivery, evidence- based policy decision making, and transformational impact of government priority programmes.
3.0 Core Functions The core functions of the Ministry
include, the following:
Initiate and formulate policies, taking into account the needs and aspirations of the people;
Undertake development planning in consultation with the National Development Planning Commission, and
Coordinate, monitor and evaluate the efficiency and effectiveness of policies and programmes across the Sectors;
Enhance capacity for policy formulation and coordination; and
Deepen transparency and public accountability.
Mr Speaker 11:53 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Chairman.
Question proposed
Yes, Hon Adongo?
Mr Isaac Adongo (NDC -- Bolgatanga Central) 11:53 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. I rise to second the Motion for the adoption of the Budget Performance Report of the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation for the period ending December, 2019.
Mr Speaker, it is refreshing that as a result of the compliance with the Public Financial Management Act, we had the opportunity to have an insight into the work that had been done by
the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation. Even though the Hon Minister was stranded in the United States of America (USA) as a result of the closure of the borders, his Deputy who stood in, did a very good job.
Mr Speaker, we found out that the key challenge of the Ministry was the provision of capital goods that would assist with their work with. Consistently for two years, the Ministry had not had releases to procure the needed capital equipment to work with. It is in this light that in approving this Report, we would like to encourage the Ministry of Finance to empower the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation to procure these items to facilitate its work.
Mr Speaker, we have also realised that as a result of budgetary constraints, the Ministry had to leverage the expertise of other technical people in other Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) to deliver on their programme. Even though donors are very excited to support the Ministry, our commitment to provide adequate funding for them has remained a challenge.
Mr Speaker, we need to understand that monitoring and evaluation is critical, if this country is to achieve value for money, and to
ensure that there are assurances for the delivering of Government programmes, so that at the end of the day, we satisfy the good people of this country, that the programmes that have been outlined would be implemented.
Mr Speaker, among some of the key activities that they performed was with respect to the conduct of rapid evaluation of the One Village One Dam Project. Those of us who are from the northern part of Ghana were very excited to have a much deeper understanding of what had been done on the One Village One Dam Project.
Unfortunately, the Ministry made us know that because of lack of funding, what they did is what they call, the rapid evaluation of One Village One Dam Project. Mr Speaker, to be honest, we never understood what rapid evaluation meant.
The evaluation of the One Village One Dam Project for those of us in the north, we have learnt that we would be given a fair assessment of the total number of dams that have been constructed in the northern part of Ghana. They should have been able to indicate to us whether per the basis of constructing those dams for dry season farming, they are serving the purpose of providing adequate water
for dry season farming and whether there was value for money, given the fact that most of those dams even dry up before the dry season.
When the Hon Deputy Minister said it was just rapid evaluation without a thorough evaluation of the work, we could not say much because there was not much funding to execute that exercise.
Mr Speaker, going forward, not much can be gained from the rapid evaluation. I would like to call on my Hon Colleagues to approve this Report, but to encourage the Ministry of Finance to make more resources available to this Ministry, so that we can have a fair understanding of how they have delivered on Government activities. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker 11:53 p.m.
Thank you, Hon Member.
Yes, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka (NDC -- Asawase) 11:53 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would want to contribute to the Motion on the Floor.
Mr Speaker, if you look at the table on page 3 of the Report, I expected that the Hon Chairman of the Committee who met the Ministry
Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka (NDC -- Asawase) 12:03 p.m.
would have provided some explanation. The budget approved a compensation amount of GH¢390,250.00, and released to them GH¢466,732.86.
I thought that the Hon Chairman would have provided some explanation on how it was spent. What caused the over expenditure? Was it that they were given a ceiling to employ five (5) people, but they ended up employing 10 people?

Mr Speaker, I thought that it was very important that the Hon Chairman provides us with some information. Secondly, when we look at “goods and services”, an amount of GH¢1.8 million was approved, but an amount of GH¢1.6 million was what was released. They spent an amount of GH¢1.2 million, but they actually paid an amount of GH¢822, 000.

We need an explanation as to what prevented them from paying for all the services that were rendered? This is because the money was released to them. We could see that the amount of money that was released to them is higher than the amount of money

that they have spent, yet they have not paid for all the goods and services that were rendered. What caused it?

Mr Speaker, I would also want to say that in my view, the format used to report this performance is not the best. This is because they made expenses on goods and services, but they have just given us these global figures. I thought that this was the time for them to have recorded the actual activities as well as the actual expenditures that they had, line by line, so that we would see in essence the budget that they presented as against their expenditure, and determine how the expenditures had gone.

However, if they give us a global figure, if somebody had done some variations and had spent on something that was not in the budget, then how would we know? This is because we have just been given global figures.

Mr Speaker, I think that the reporting format must change because it does not augur well for transparency. As a Parliament, we cannot be able to play the rightful oversight and ensure that the right activities were spent on. This is

because we have only been given global figures. I hope that in the future, this would be taken care of.

Mr Speaker, if we look at the CAPEX, even though my Hon Colleague, the Hon Isaac Adongo from Bolgatanga Central made mention of it, we need to find out why it was so; not exceeding being released. What was it that they were going to do, and how is it affecting the performance of the Ministry?

I hope that probably when the Hon Chairman winds up, all these would find expression. I however, sincerely believe that in future we need to look at the format because this information is too scanty for Parliament to be able to play its rightful oversight.

Mr Speaker, in conclusion, I have argued time and time again, and I still strongly believe that this Ministry is not necessary. This is because even if the 1D1F Programme is the major activity that they claimed they have carried out over that period of 2019, then we could simply inquire of what the Northern Development Authority is doing. We have established these

institutions to take care of those things. Now, we have created another Ministry that duplicates their efforts.

If we look at the Report vis-a-vis the challenges that they claimed they have, these are functions of other Ministries and other agencies. We really do not need this Ministry, and I think that we need to canvass for this Ministry to be scrapped because in my view, it is just a waste of State resources when we allocate an amount of three point something million for a Ministry that does not do much and must be scrapped.

Mr Speaker, with these comments, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute.
Mr Speaker 12:03 p.m.
Thank you very much, Hon Majority Chief Whip.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu) 12:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to also contribute to the Report before us.
Mr Speaker, the Ministry exists to really provide relevant information to the Executive, to refocus on the
Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu) 12:13 p.m.
performance of the various MDAs, for Government to achieve its targets. That is the purpose of the Ministry, and if people do not understand that, then there is a problem. People, because they do not appreciate the import of the Ministry, if they seek to canvass for it to be scrapped, then there is a problem. There is a fundamental difficulty in appreciating the role of the Ministry.
Mr Speaker, the core function of the Ministry, as we are told, and in fact of more relevance to us, is their function to coordinate, monitor and evaluate the efficiency and effectiveness of policies and programmes across all the sectors.
Mr Speaker, they are also to deepen transparency and accountability. They exist to service the Executive. The observations of the Finance Committee are very relevant. They say to us, and I refer to page three of the Report, which is on the observations, paragraph 5.0 and in particular paragraph 5.1 says and I beg to quote:
“The year 2019 the Ministry organised tailor made monitoring and evaluation training in data collection,
analysis and reporting for 34 Ministries, Departments and Agencies”.
Mr Speaker, Parliament as an institution should have a data collection centre for ourselves. If what the Ministry is doing is to satisfy the Executive, then we also require the same thing in Parliament as an institution that is charged with the oversight of the Executive. So they do this for the Executive, but we are required to have such a unit ourselves.
Unfortunately, we do not have it, so, it is important that we strengthen our own data collection unit and at the same time collaborate effectively with the Ministry of Monitoring and Evaluation. This is because what they are doing is to perform oversight functions for the Executive in order for them to be able to straighten their paths.
The business on the over sight of the Executive rests with Parliament, but as I said, unfortunately, we do not have the appropriate data collection unit in Parliament. We should set up that research outfit because we keep saying that we should strengthen our research unit. Once we have it, we
would then be able to cross-check with whatever information they are providing the Executive, whether they are right.
We keep telling the Committees that beginning from the rolling out of the budget they should monitor the performance of the various Ministries, Departments and Agencies and then do that. Usually, they would want to wait until the Auditor-General submits the accounts of the various Ministries, Departments and Agencies to Parliament.
What we therefore do is post mortem oversight, which is not good for the nation. If we want to really discharge our functions as an oversight institution, then once the budget cycle starts rolling out, the Committees have the responsibility to monitor.
Monitoring and Evaluation is the business of Parliament, and Parliament should exercise this function through the various Committees. Every now and then we keep hammering this, and yet, the committees do not do that. So the lamentations of the Hon Adongo is well placed, except that if Parliament had strengthen its own Monitoring and evaluation unit, then
they would be comparing notes with what the Ministry is doing for the Executive, to see whether or not they are feeding the Executive with the correct information.
Our own outfit is bereft of these units, and now, the Hon Adongo bemoans the fact that the Ministry is not doing too well. What responsibility really lies with Parliament? What is Parliament itself doing? We should undertake to strengthen the relevant units.

What the Ministry is doing is to replicate the responsibility of Parliament as enshrined in article 103 (3), which provides that the Committees of Parliament shall be charged with such functions including the investigation and inquiry into the activities and administration of Ministries, Departments and Agencies as Parliament may determine, and such investigation and inquiries may extend to proposals for legislation.

What this Ministry is doing is to satisfy the Executive to determine to straighten their path and critique the various Ministries to reform. Parliament should be doing the same thing.
Mr Speaker 12:13 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, to have completed with that, I thank you very much. I will put the Question.
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Mr Speaker 12:13 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 12:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I was expecting that the Chairman was going to address the inconsistency regarding the figures as I raised. If we look at the Table, the figures that they provided at the compensation, what they spent is higher than the Budget approved. In the case of goods and
services, even though the moneys were released, yet they have not paid the suppliers.
Mr Speaker 12:13 p.m.
Hon Chairman?
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 12:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, these issues were also raised at the Committee level. If we see over- expenditure in goods and services or CAPEX, then we should be worried. Compensation of employees is done by the Controller and Accountant-General.
When this was asked, the Ministry explained that there were some increments in salaries which were not envisaged at the time the Budget was being put together and so, when these were due, then the Controller and Accountant-General would pay. So ordinarily, if we see increases in compensation of employees, we should not be worried.
Mr Speaker, in the goods and services case where the expenditure is recorded as 1.29 and the actual is 822, the 1.29 is commitments, so actual payments have not been effected, so that is what it represents here. There are commitments to the tune of 1.29 but the actual payment effected thus far is 822 so these ones are in the pipeline and they would come through.
Mr Speaker, we also mentioned global figures. Hon Members, let us admit that this is the first time we are doing this Budget Performance Reviews; this is a creature of the Public Financial Management Act. Previously, when we considered the Budget, they would present nine months of data; so what this does is to supplement the nine months' data that we considered.
So in November-December when we considered the Budget of the Ministry for Monitoring and Evaluation, we had the full breakdown which we had already reported on so they have just come to add on the missing data for the last three months and so we do not seek to go into details as it were again because that would be repetitive of what we did for the first nine months for which data was provided.
Mr Speaker, I think the Hon Member's last concern about the Ministry being unnecessary; the Hon Majority Leader has addressed that one, so Mr Speaker, that would be it.
Mr Speaker 12:13 p.m.
Thank you very much.
Question put and Motion agreed to.
Mr Speaker 12:13 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, where do we go from here?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we could take the item numbered 7.
Mr Speaker 12:13 p.m.
The item numbered 7; Motion, Hon Chairman of the Committee?
Budget Performance Report in Respect of the Ministry of
Finance for the Period January to December, 2019
Chairman of the Finance Committee (Dr Assibey-Yeboah) 12:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts the Report of the Finance Committee on the Budget Performance Report in Respect of the Ministry of Finance for the period January to December,
2019.
Mr Speaker, and in so doing, I present your Committee's Report. Mr Speaker, before I do so, I just would like you to know that most of my Finance Committee members have been booted out, so that is why you do not see the full complement of the Committee -- [Laughter] --
Mr Speaker, your Committee's Report 12:13 p.m.
Introduction
The Budget Performance Report in respect of the Ministry of Finance for the period January to December, 2019 was presented to the House on 8th April, 2020 by the Minister responsible for Finance, Hon Ken Ofori-Atta.
In accordance with article 103 of the Constitution and Order 169 of the Standing Orders of the House, the Report was referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report.
The Committee subsequently met and considered the Report with the Deputy Minister for Finance, Hon Mrs Abena Osei-Asare, the Chief Director and other officials from the Ministry of Finance Headquarters, the Controller and Accountant- General's Department (CAGD), the Ghana Statistical Service (GSS), Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the Ghana Revenue Authority (GRA) and the Public Procurement Authority (PPA) and hereby presents this report to the House.
Background
The Ministry of Finance, formerly the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning, was established under Sections 11 & 13 of the Civil Service
Law of 1993 (PNDCL 327) and amended by the Civil Service (Ministries) (Amendment) Instrument,
2017 (E.I. 28).
The Ministry exists to ensure effective and efficient macroeconomic and financial management of Ghana's economy.
2.1 Vision
The vision of the Ministry is to be the lead economic management institution for development and prosperity for all Ghanaians.
2.2 Mission
The Ministry exists to ensure effective economic policy management for the attainment of macroeconomic stability and sustainable economic growth through sound fiscal policy and efficient public financial management, competent staff and robust systems for the development of Ghana.
2.3 Goal
The goal of the Ministry is to ensure efficient and effective management of the economy towards the attainment of upper middle income status and poverty reduction.
3.0 Function
Support the development of an efficient financial sector that supports structural transformation of the economy, promotes financial inclusion and is well integrated into the global financial system.
Formulate, implement, monitor and evaluate macroeconomic, fiscal and financial policies for sustainable development.
Ensure effective mobilisation of domestic and external resources.
Ensure efficient and effective allocation and prudent management and utilisation of resources.
Establish and disseminate performance-oriented guidelines and deploy efficient financial management information systems.
Ensure commitment to transparency, probity and accountability in the management and utilisation of financial resources.
Ensure sustainable public debt levels.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Thank you very much, Hon Chairman.
Yes, Hon Member?
Mr Isaac Adongo (NDC -- Bolgatanga Central) 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion and in
doing so, I would like to raise very worrying situations with the performance of the Ministry of Finance and particularly, the challenge emanating from the credibility of data consistently coming from the Ministry of Finance.
This country has had occasions within the media to debate what really represents Ghana's data. In some instances we have one set of data being represented as that of Ghana by our donors such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF). However, when it comes to the people of Ghana, particularly in this House, we are not being presented with the same data and that makes it very difficult for one to assess the performance of our economy.
This is because the Ghanaian economy cannot have two sets of data; one for the IMF and one for the people of Ghana through their representatives in Parliament. So when the Ministry of Finance approached us, we had a huge challenge.
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Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Member, do you rise on a point of correction?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this is a House of record and I rise on a point of order. It is grounded on the submission that in this country, the Government of Ghana gives one set of data to donor agencies and a different set of data to the people's representatives. This is a very seriously misleading submission and must not be allowed to stay in the records of this House. That is all I want to say on this.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
It is a point of correction.
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this position that I am espousing here was put before the Ministry. This is not being discussed --
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Member, you have stated something which we all understand clearly in simple and plain English. Do you have anything to support your assertion?
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I make reference to Ghana's report --
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Do you have anything --?
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
I do not have it immediately but I would produce it.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
No, we do not do that in Parliament, so withdraw. [Interruption]
Hon Members, we all know the rules, you support it or withdraw it.
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, these are public records known by the people of Ghana and the Ministry. [Interruption]
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Member, if you cannot produce evidence, withdraw it because I have ordered that it be expunged from the records. If you have anything else, you may say it. [Interruption]
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Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
When I apply the rules which we all know clearly, I would not want anyone to stand and then say something to the contrary. If you do not have the proof here, please, it is expunged. You may continue; I would not want any unnecessary --
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Member, are you done?
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
The Hon Minority Chief Whip is up that is why.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
If you know an Hon Member is not going by the rules, do not try to defend it. I will not support that because I have ruled and you are not going to argue with me.
Yes, Hon Member, you may make further arguments if you want to? [Interruption] That is overruled for the simple reason that it cannot be supported. [Interruption]
Alhaji Muntaka 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you have to hear me to make --
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Minority Chief Whip, I have not called you.
Alhaji Muntaka 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you have to hear me to determine what I am going to say, and then you make your ruling. To refuse to call me is not right Mr Speaker. If something is on your website, you cannot say it is not public knowledge. When something is on the website of the World Bank and IMF, you cannot say that it is not public knowledge.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Members, it actually pains me when I am applying our clear rules which we all know, which especially a person in a leadership position must know -- You know that what I am saying is the rule of this House, yet Hon Members and sometimes regrettably, leadership would want to challenge this. That is not what is done in very respectable parliaments and I know what I am saying. [Interruption]
Hon Member, you support it or you do not. It would be withdrawn and expunged from the records. No amount of shouting will make a wrong right.
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I withdraw but I would have an opportunity one day to produce it. I perfectly agree with you and I withdraw, hoping that it would not be long before I get the opportunity to bring that document here.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Go on but not today.
Mr I. Adongo 12:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes, they can only hide for today but they will face the same documents one day. I would bring it back here.
Mr Speaker 12:23 p.m.
Hon Members, let us avoid rowdyism because this is debasing into rowdyism. You know
Mr I. Adongo 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much.
The Ministry of Finance as the key agency that manages our finances and also ensures that we are able to deliver the level of economic activities that improves the lives of our people has over the years struggled to deliver on its mandate.
The Report before us is quite clear that consistently, the Ministry of Finance has failed to achieve its revenue target and as a result of its capacity to achieve its revenue target, the Government has had difficulty in implementing its programmes. The result of this is that we are experiencing spiralling public debts as we continue to borrow to fill the gap that is ordinarily to compensate for the inefficiency of the Ministry of Finance.
Mr Speaker, we also reported in your Committee's Report, that the Ghana Statistical Service undertook a rebasing of the Consumer Price Index as a result of which certain
developments have occurred in the methodology that we were using to calculate inflation. What that technically means is that we are now applying a method that takes its base from 2018. Therefore it is difficult to compare any inflation that occasions this revision to any historical inflation without giving credit of the same rebasing advantage to historical data.
The Ghana Statistical Service itself and experts have indicated that when you rebase inflation and want to compare that inflation to historical data, you must rebase this historical inflation. Yet in this House, we have been told by the Hon Minister time and again, that Ghana's inflation level is the best in 27 years. It is not even the best in one year because you cannot compare a base rate that was used 27 years ago to a base rate in the year 2018.
Mr Speaker, as a matter of fact, the number of markets assessed per the old methodology were 267 markets. Today, this has expanded to 307 markets for goods and services. So quite clearly, the more you expand your market base to the rural areas where prices are ordinarily cheaper because they are closer to the farms, your inflational outturns are going to be lower.
So you cannot take advantage of a change in methodology to compare that inflation to any historical inflation. I have had course to say this to very experienced members of this Government who keep embarrassing themselves with this kind of myopic analysis that the inflation of 2018 or 2019 is the best in 27 years. As a matter of fact, it is not even the best after 2017 and that should never be used anywhere in our financial analysis.
Mr Speaker, anti-money laundering is a major challenge. We have had instances where Ghana has had challenges with the European Union (EU), with respect to our performance in combating anti money laundering and terrorism financing.
Recently, Ghana was blacklisted once again and I want to take this opportunity to advice the Ministry of Finance to work closely with the Bank of Ghana (BoG) and other agencies that are interested in making sure that Ghana becomes a safe haven for good quality money, so that internationally, we are respected for not being the conduit for money laundering.
Mr Speaker, the Report states that during the year 2019, the Financial Intelligence Centre successfully coordinated the implementation of the Inter Corporation Review Group
Action Plan to address strategic deficiencies in anti-money laundering encountering the financing of terrorism. However, evidence in the last few days suggest that this is not good enough because the EU is still worried about our anti-money laundering and financing of terrorism record.
As a country that appears to be the beacon of the financial hub of West Africa, never mind that we have collapsed our own financial institutions and are now a pale shadow of ourselves, we cannot now add the accolade of a country where dirty money is allowed to flow through the international financial system. As a matter of fact, I am very worried that we continue to have this challenge.
Mr Speaker, we also have a big problem after having passed the law that brought into force --
Dr Bernard Okoe Boye -- rose
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Mr Speaker 12:33 p.m.
Hon Member, do you stand on a point of order or correction?
Dr Boye 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague just said that we have collapsed our own financial institutions. This is a House of record, and so if he could share with us the
Mr Speaker 12:33 p.m.
Hon Member, you have made a statement to the effect that this Government is responsible for the collapsing of banks. [Interruption]. Hon Members, why do you behave like this? [Laughter] If you say somebody has collapsed a bank, then that person is a person who has done something wrong which has collapsed the bank. So please, substantiate it or withdraw it.
Mr I. Adongo 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, before a bank's license can be revoked and the State called upon to bear the cost of that revocation or collapse, the Ministry of Finance must make a definitive recommendation to Cabinet to approve the utilisation of public funds to fund the cost of that revocation.
To the extent that the licenses of nine banks have been revoked, to the extent that the licenses of close to 400 financial institutions have been revoked by this Government -- any other government would have
pursued a different path of saving them and not revoking them -- it amounts to your decision to collapse the banks and that is my opinion on this matter. [Hear! Hear!].
He may have his own opinion but this is my opinion based on what I have seen. Mr Speaker, I, Isaac Adongo, as the Governor of the BoG would never have revoked the license of any one of them. [Hear! Hear!]. He talked about records, has he produced one? He has not produced one document as he has alleged.
Mr Speaker 12:33 p.m.
Hon Members, Order!
When the veracity of a purported statement is being challenged, the person who is challenging that veracity, there is no onus on him to provide any document, you must know this. The onus or burden is on you who is making the statement to prove it.
Dr Boye 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this is a House of record. Some commentary might be tolerated outside this House. The BoG is mandated by law to regulate the banks. There are fundamentals or basics a bank must meet before a license is renewed, so if a bank fails to meet the requirements
and a license is revoked, the revocation of a license does not mean concession of their collapse.
Mr Speaker, I am happy you have reminded the Hon Member that he who has alleged that the State collapsed the banks has asked me to produce evidence. What kind of logic is this? He who alleges must provide evidence that the State actually collapsed the banks. [Interruption]. Mr Speaker, because the Hon Member has not been able to provide evidence, he must withdraw this statement or he should not be allowed to continue. What he said is not a statement of fact and he is aware of that.
Mr Speaker, the Health Facilities Regulatory Agency (HeFRA) is the State agency that issues licenses to hospitals, and so if a hospital has not met the conditions and it is a threat to the public and their license is revoked, would we say that the HeFRA collapsed the hospital?
He must withdraw what he said. He should not be allowed to make such a statement in Parliament because it is an offensive statement which is not correct.
Mr Speaker 12:33 p.m.
The responsibility to license and to allow banks to operate in this country, rests with the BoG and it is constitutionally mandated to so do it independent of Government. So, to insinuate or to state that the Government has collapsed banks is totally fallacious and must be withdrawn
Mr I. Adongo 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the BoG collapsed the banks [Laughter] and they requested the Government to pay the cost and the Government having considered all the demands on the finances of this country, decided that the best way to use the money was to fund the collapse by the BoG. That is alright.
Dr Boye 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the word “collapse'' has in it, “deliberate intent'' to wreck a bank that is doing well. My Hon Colleague cannot be allowed to say that the BoG collapsed a bank when a bank has really failed to meet its requirements. The Hon Member must withdraw this statement because it is offensive to a State Regulating Agency. He is aware and he is only being malicious.
Mr Speaker 12:33 p.m.
If you sit an examination and fail by getting grade 9, and the West African Examination Council (WAEC) says so, has WAEC failed you? Na who cause am?
Mr I. Adongo 12:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you could give me any word you want and I would use it. Alright they revoked the licenses. They did not collapse them, they revoked them.
Mr Speaker 12:43 p.m.
Hon Members, I am very keen on ensuring that this honourable House at this season is not turned into a propaganda ground. [Uproar] -- I will not allow it, so do not just try it. It will not work. Hon Member, I would want you to withdraw and move on to another tangent.
Mr I. Adongo 12:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I withdraw “collapse” and substitute it with “revoke”. The licenses of over 400 financial institutions have been revoked by the Bank of Ghana and paid for by this Government.
Mr Speaker 12:43 p.m.
Hon Member, we are not analysing the institution responsible for the revocation of licenses, therefore it is not relevant; so withdraw it.
Mr I. Adongo 12:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we are discussing the utilisation of public finances in 2019. Mr Speaker, in
2019, one of the main drivers of our cost, expenditure and public debt build up was the moneys that the State had to pay for over 400 financial institutions whose licenses were revoked.
That payment was the result of bonds that were issued by the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry was here during the latter part of last year to request us to approve GH¢12.6 billion to pay for the collapse of the banks or for the revocation of licenses of the financial institutions. So if I am not discussing the moneys that the Ministry of Finance has paid for the revocation, then I do not know what we should be discussing?
Mr Speaker, that is my position and so I have agreed that they did not collapse but revoked their licenses. But they decided that they would agree to use a lot of our moneys under the Ministry of Finance to pay for them. Unfortunately, the un- employment that has occasioned this is out there.
Mr Speaker, the people whose deposits are still locked up use the word which is offensive to this House; the people who are roaming every day and have no jobs use the word which we say is offensive in this House. Are we serving the people or what our
Mr Alexander K. Afenyo- Markin (NPP--Effutu) 12:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to add my voice to the debate on the Floor. In making my submission, I shall rely on paragraphs 5.9 at page 8, 5.4 at page 7 and 5.3 at page 6 in the order as mentioned. But by way of introduction, it is important to state that in 2015, the President, H.E. John Dramani Mahama, in addressing this House under a constitutional mandate during the State of the Nation Address on page 11 of the said speech, stated with emphasis that all the challenges in the microfinance subsector of the financial sector was as a result of poor supervision by Bank of Ghana. H.E. John Dramani Mahama lamented that there was a rather unfortunate situation that the country's institution mandated to supervise these banks has caused us.
Mr Speaker, therefore it is not surprising that -- [Interruption] -- With all due respect to my Hon Colleagues, I have said at page 11 of the 2015 State of the Nation Address. So they should refer and if it is wrong, come and I would withdraw.
Mr Speaker 12:43 p.m.
Hon Member, no, page 11 is at your bosom now.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, very well but the record is before this House.
Mr Speaker 12:43 p.m.
Hon Member, if you want to make reference to it, produce it. [Interruption] Hon Members, what is happening? We do politics outside and we talk facts and debate honourably in this honourable House. [Interruption] The person who said that should withdraw and apologise otherwise I will name him.

Hon Member, continue.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so in essence, my point is the submissions by my respected Colleague Adongo in reference to the crisis in the financial sector and decisions made thereof are not new to this House because the first gentleman of the land in 2015 conceded in his submissions before the House that indeed, the Bank of Ghana has failed in its supervisory mandate.
Mr Speaker, so over the period of 2015, 2016 and 2017, things were getting out of hand and as a result the
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with the greatest respect to you, when my Hon Colleague, Isaac Adongo was speaking, the Hon Boye was allowed four consecutive times on a point of order. However, Hon Adongo has been upstanding on a point of order, while Hon Afenyo-Markin keeps speaking, distorting the facts to which he wishes to be invited on a point of order to correction.
Unfortunately, he has not been recognised and yet the Hon Afenyo- Markin is shouting that someone should be responsible. The only way
we can be responsible is for us to be called to speak to the issues and the Hon Member is being refused the opportunity, and so how can they respond responsibly on issues?
Mr Speaker, so we plead that equity and fairness be seen to be manifestly carried out while others were speaking others were allowed on a point of order -- [Interruption] -- What is good for the goose is good for the gander. So I wish to draw your attention that Hon Adongo has been up standing all this while on a point of order but has not been called upon.
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
Hon Afenyo- Markin, you may continue.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, if an application is being made that an Hon Colleague is up and wants to come on a point of order, and the Speaker has not seen him or her, and a Leader wants to point to the fact that an Hon Colleague is standing, that is a good point that could be made.
However, when one says that the Speaker is refusing to call an Hon Member who is standing, that amounts to wilful intent on the part of the Speaker. In that regard, the Leader who intervened is calling the conduct
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
A Leader who wants to rise in support of any claim by an Hon Member, must first and foremost put his or her House in order and I will notice accordingly.
[Interruption] --
Please, continue. Every objective adult can see the conduct that we are going through this morning and it is most unfortunate to say the least.
Hon Member, please proceed.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, finally, I shall make reference to paragraph 5.4 at page 7 of the Report to submit that in April, 2019, this Government successfully exited the IMF programme. It is important to point out that the NDC administration was in office for eight years from January 2009 to January 2017.
The first four years, they created the impression that as for IMF, they will never get there but soon thereafter, they were with the IMF. The then IMF heard publicly stated that upon discovery of oil, the Government was under the impression that it could spend anyhow and this was as a result of that misjudgement that we found ourselves in this -- [Interruption] --
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
When the cacophony stops, I will recognise people and call them to speak decently but where the shouting is continuing, I would not also see. If the Leaders will now control their Hon Members, I will recognise the relevant Hon Members. Hon Member, go on.
[Interruption] -- If they start the cacophony, I will know what to do. If you want to continue in that manner, go on.
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Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
I would not recognise you in the midst of chaos.
Mr Avedzi 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you do not even know what I want to say. Hear me first.
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
Please, speak to your backbenchers first.
[Interruption] --
Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, as I was saying that within three years, this Government successfully exited the IMF programme. In spite of all the challenges, one of which Hon Adongo discussed --
Mr I. Adongo 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. [Interruption]
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Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
Do you want to start again? Then Hon Adongo, you may sit.
Some Hon Members 12:53 p.m.
Why?
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
Where decency prevails, I will know what to do and I mean what I am saying. Hon Adongo?
Mr I. Adongo 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity granted. You recall that you asked my Hon Member to produce a statement he attributed to the former President. The former President is not here to defend himself but he has copiously made allusions to things he said the former President said in the State of the Nation Address without producing any evidence at all.
Mr Speaker, I would want to plead with you to expunge everything he said about the former President without evidence out of the records.
Secondly, he has alluded to a statement that suggests that Ghana with the IMF under the NDC agreed to spend money anyhow without producing the specific communique from the IMF.
Mr Speaker 12:53 p.m.
Agree to spend money? How?
Mr I. Adongo 12:53 p.m.
Mr Speaker, if the Hon Member is not able to produce the IMF document, any reference to IMF in his submissions should be expunged by the Table Office. [Hear!] [Hear!]
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Member, if you want to make any statement on the former President then produce the relevant evidence. This can be asked for without any noise.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is a very fair application that has been made and I consider your ruling to be very fair. However, --
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Member, there would be no “however”. I have ordered that that should be expunged from the record.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, what I am saying is that per our parliamentary jurisprudence - [Uproar] -- Mr Speaker, would the Hon Members on the other Side keep quiet for us to do parliamentary business?
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Member, you would not proceed on that tangent. So take another point.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am saying that I would comply with your order.
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
In fact, you are bound to comply. -- [Laughter]--
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, exactly so. I am bound to comply and I am saying that per the practice of this House, I am only seeking leave that the document is before the House and I can produce it at a later date not --
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, very well.
I would proceed on my last point which is that the 2015 situation we found ourselves in which was as a result of the overspending of appropriation in 2012 by GH¢7 billion is a matter of record in the 2013 Budget Statement.
So if within three years, this government has successfully and through prudent management of the economy and through competence it has been able to exit the IMF programme, then this government is commendable. I therefore say that this Report should be approved by this House.
Mr Speaker, thank you.
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Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Thank you very much.
Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Leadership would yield to Hon Jinapor.
Mr John Jinapor (NDC -- Yapei/Kusawgu) 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. First of all, I would commend Dr Mark Assibey- Yeboah, the Hon Member for New Juaben South for producing this document. I have perused the document and I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah is a man of integrity. -- [Hear! Hear!] --
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Member, please do not debase our serious business into comedy. Please withdraw all those --
Mr Jinapor 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I withdraw that this document produced by - I withdraw. --[Laughter]--
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Members, this is the pathway that I do not want us to pursue because it is my duty not to allow it and I will not allow it today or tomorrow. I think that I probably advised on a number of occasions, I must make myself very clear on this;
you would not get away with turning this Chamber into a propaganda hall. I mean business. Hon Ayariga, you may pursue on the pathway of righteousness.
Mr Jinapor 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with the greatest of respect to you , I am not Hon Ayariga. My name is Hon John Jinapor.
Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Of course.
Mr Jinapor 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, facts are facts and facts are sacrosanct. It is true that we can have different shades of opinions but we cannot have different shades of facts. Mr Speaker, when Hon Adongo made the point about the fiscal deficit, you stated that you would only encourage debates based on documentary evidence in this House.
I refer to the Annual Public Debt Report for the 2019 Financial Year which was submitted to Parliament on Monday, 30th March, 2020 by Mr Ken Ofori-Atta. I also refer to the 2020 Budget Statement, specifically, I refer to page 4 where the Hon Minister for Finance makes the claim and I quote that:
“we have contained the fiscal deficit below 5 per cent of GDP for the three consecutive years”.
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Mr Speaker 1:03 p.m.
Hon Members, do you now realise what is happening now on my left Side of the House? I abhor it and I have put it on record for it to be in the Hansard. I do not know the wish of certain Hon Members. I can see through it and I would not allow it. Please do not compel me to mention the name of any Hon Member for it to be captured in the Hansard.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, page 6 of the Report before us gives the fiscal deficit as 4.8 per cent, excluding the financial sector bail out or clean up. So the figure the Hon Member is referencing in the Annual Public Debt Report as 7.1 per cent stated that it included the financial sector bail out.
So there is no inconsistency because both reports indicate that the fiscal deficit excluding the financial sector bailout is 4.8 per cent and including the financial sector bail out it is 7.1 per cent. So, there is no falsehood in the statement put out by the Hon Minister for Finance.
Mr Jinapor 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the first part of the Hon Chairman's statement is completely right and I agree with him that the overall deficit is 7.1 per cent. I am referring to the overall deficit and I would quote the Hon
Minister for Finance again 1:03 p.m.
“We have contained the fiscal deficit below 5 per cent of GDP …”.
Mr Speaker, has the Hon Minister for Finance contained the fiscal deficit below five per cent or not?
Some Hon Members 1:03 p.m.
No.
Mr Jinapor 1:03 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is totally false and the Hon Minister for Finance must be honest with this
House. When he is reporting on figures to this House, he should report in whole and not in sum. He cannot report on half-baked figures and he cannot tell us that the deficit is five per cent when all of us know that the deficit is 7.1 per cent.
Mr Speaker, let me put on record, and this is for public knowledge, that the overall deficit of Ghana for the year 2018 was --
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:13 p.m.
On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I was only urging Hon Jinapor that we are following his debate. His voice could go down so that we could hear him. The loudness of his voice is my concern.
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order. -[Laughter]-When we are talking statistics, data, I allow points of corrections where necessary.
Hon Member, please continue.
Mr Jinapor 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you. When I speak the truth, I speak with passion. That is it.
Mr Speaker, let me put on record that Ghana's overall deficit for 2018 is not below 5 per cent as the Hon
Minister for Finance seeks to present to Parliament. The overall deficit is 7 per cent.
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Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Hon Minister?
Mr Nitiwul 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Finance of the Republic of Ghana has always been very consistent in the way they report figures. In 2014, 2015 even up to 2016, the Ministry of Finance came here to give us growth rates and separated them in two parts, with oil and without oil.
There is nothing wrong if the Ministry of Finance gives us fiscal deficit with the financial bailout or without the financial bailout. They are not disputing the fact that if you add the financial bailout, this would be it and what to get without the financial bailout. So what is he talking about? They have always been consistent. They have always been doing it like that. Their Government did it, our Government is doing it and another Government would do it. What is their problem?
Mr Jinapor 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my friend, the Hon Member, is completely out of order and totally wrong. I am not talking about with and
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
I would want the House to be honest? Let us all listen careful.
Mr Jinapor 1:13 p.m.
He appeared before this House chaired by no less a person than the Rt Hon Prof. Mike Oquaye, the Speaker of Parliament and cannot even tell us the facts? [Laughter.]
Mr Speaker, this is a serious matter. We are talking of statistical figures of the Republic of Ghana. Let me put that aside.
Mr Speaker, I am happy that the Hon Chairman gives us a lot of details. When we left office, the public debt was about GH¢120 billion. Today, my colleague, Hon Afenyo-Markin, makes a claim that they have managed the economy so prudently.
Mr Speaker, again, I refer to page 12 of the same document. When they took over, the debt to Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which is a critical macroeconomic figure since it tells how one is managing the economy -- There is nothing wrong with borrowing in my opinion. It depends on what one uses that borrowing for.

I am debating Hon Afenyo- Markin. He raised an issue, and I am responding to that debate. Mr Speaker, as a Member of Parliament, when my Colleague raises --
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Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Hon Member, what is your point of order or correction?
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Report before us is the Budget Performance Report in respect of the
Ministry of Finance. I think my colleague, the Hon Member, is running ahead of himself. The next report to consider as captured in the item numbered 8 of the Annual Public Debt Management Report. So the document he is referring to is not before us as far as this Report is concerned.
Where in the Committee Report is it stated that debt to GDP is 56.6 or 63 per cent? We are not considering the Annual Public Debt Management Report.
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Hon Member, respond to it. At the same time, in this august House, shall we keep the orders of the House?
Mr Jinapor 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, when my colleague, the Hon Member, makes a misleading statement and it is captured by the Hansard Department and I have an opportunity, it is my duty as a proud member of the Minority to correct that. It is exactly what I am doing. If the Hon Chairman has intervened and stopped Afenyo-Markin in his track that he was running ahead of himself, he would not find me going there.
So the Hon Chairman should hold unto his horses. I am ever ready, well poised to debate the debt issues when we get there.
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Hon Afenyo- Markin?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, for good reasons, when I was about to make my submission, I gave my reference that I was going to rely on the following. That is how lawyers have been taught to argue.
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Hon Member, you would listen to me carefully. It is an august House. Your Hon Colleague across you is saying that what the Hon Chairman is objecting to directly comes out of your own statement and he is entitled to respond once you have made that statement on the Floor of this august House.
I only allowed you an opportunity to respond. If he is correct, then you have nothing to say. However, if you did not make any such reference, then it is your right to tell this august House.
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he is not correct.
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Tell this House why he is not correct?
Mr Afenyo-Markin 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the reference I made was in respect of paragraph 5.3 at page 6 of the Report and also at paragraph 5.4 of page 7.
Mr Jinapor 1:13 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Hon Afenyo-Markin refers to paragraph 5.3, and with your permission, I quote:
“5.3 Fiscal Deficit as a Percentage of GDP. The fiscal Deficit on cash basis as a percentage of GDP declined from 4.8 percent in 2017 to 3.9 percent in 2018.”
Mr Speaker, I submit that this is false. Let me challenge it. It is false because the fiscal deficit of Ghana is not 3.9 per cent as it is quoted here. It is 7.1 per cent. If you would want to deal with a subset which is the fiscal deficit excluding certain sectors, you could quote it expressly so but if you make a generic statement that the fiscal deficit of Ghana is 3.9 per cent, it is misleading, wrong and tantamount to deception.
Mr Speaker, let me proceed.
Mr Speaker 1:13 p.m.
Yes, Hon Chairman?
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this is the first time he is drawing our attention to the fact that sections of the Report are inaccurate. I have not heard him say so. Is he suggesting that the fiscal deficit for 2018 was not 3.9 per cent? The bone of contention was whether the fiscal deficit for 2019 was 4.8 per cent excluding the bailout of 7.1 per cent including the bailout.
Mr Speaker, other than that, is the Hon Member suggesting that the deficit which has been recorded in all Budget Statement was not 4.8 per cent for 2017 and it declined to 3.9 per cent for 2018? It has gone up again to 4.8 per cent for 2019, excluding the financial sector clean-up. So I do not know why the Hon Member is contesting these figures? In any event, this is the Report of the legendary Finance Committee, so I wonder why the Hon Member dispute figures in this Report?
Mr Jinapor 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I referred to table 1 of the Ministry of Finance's own document -- I am not referring to his document. I said that his document confirms that Ghana's Fiscal Deficit is negative 7.1 per cent. What the Hon Chairman said is that the 3.8 per cent is minus the financial sector bailout, and that is the subset. The Hon Chairman is an economist
and he knows that when he is reporting sub figures, they could be reported based on how he wants it, but when the total figure -- it cannot be 3.9 per cent. I would want to put on record in this House, Hon Chairman, that the fiscal deficit for 2018 is not 3.9 per cent and that is a fact. I am speaking facts, figures and statistics.
Mr Speaker, I would proceed with your permission.
Mr Speaker 1:23 p.m.
Hon Member, proceed.
Mr Jinapor 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, there has been some debate on the financial sector. I would not go into whether it was collapsed or not. But as an Hon Member of Parliament and with some level of training in economics and finance, I hold the view that the Bank of Ghana, under the law establishing it, has some level of discretionary powers.
Mr Speaker 1:23 p.m.
Hon Member, that is muddy waters you want to tread into. We have already crossed that bridge. Continue with any other point.
Mr Jinapor 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would want to make a statement of fact that when -- Mr Speaker, it is a different section and I am not even going there.
If you permit me to make the point, you would realise that I am not going there.
When the Bank of Ghana established the ceiling for banks, it was GH¢400 million. Some of our own indigenous banks could not meet the GH¢400 million. So we decided that despite the fact that they did not make that GH¢400 million threshold, we would not revoke their licences; we would do something about it.
Mr Speaker, it therefore means that as people who represent the people of Ghana --
Mr Speaker 1:23 p.m.
Hon Member, I understand aspects of this matter. If capital adequacy ratio is the sole criterion for closing a bank or otherwise, it is one matter. But you know that if there are allegations of other malpractices -- I would like to say allegations because I do not want to adjudge anything -- But if these allegations of malpractices on the part of a bank are in the view of the Central Bank, weighty enough to require the bank being closed down, mere total adequacy ratio is not the issue.
So please do not come and tell me that some people who assisted to arrive at capital adequacy ratio -- an area which I understand very well.
Mr Jinapor 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you. In 2019, the Ghana Cedi depreciated by 12.9 per cent. There is a popular cliché in this country that if one wants to know the state of the economy and if one does propaganda with the economy, the exchange rate would expose the person.
Today as we speak, from 2016 to 2019, 2019 was the worst year in terms of the performance of the cedi.
Mr Speaker 1:23 p.m.
Hon Member, you are insinuating. You said a person or some persons are doing propaganda -- [Interruption] -- You did not even hear the word “propaganda”?
Mr Jinapor 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, with the greatest of respect, I never said so. I said that there is a popular phrase in economics that if you do propaganda with the fundamentals --
Mr Speaker 1:23 p.m.
Hon Member, exactly. Is that not it? That was why I said that necessarily implies that some people are doing propaganda with the economy -- [Laughter]. I understand simple English, please Withdraw it.
Mr Jinapor 1:23 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I withdraw the word “propaganda”.
Mr Speaker, if a person is unable to manage his economy well, and if he does not report true figures and plan very well for the economy, the exchange rate will eventually expose that person. It clearly manifested itself in 2019.
Despite oil receipts of more than GH¢6 billion and ESLA receipts of more than GH¢3 billion, the Cedi depreciated by almost 13 per cent, which is the worst since 2016, 2017 and 2018. This is the economy of Ghana under the current Administration. This is His Excellency, President Nana Akufo-Addo's record on the economy. It is a monumental failure. The facts speak for themselves.
Mr Speaker 1:23 p.m.
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu) 1:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. I would like to make a few comments about the Report before us.
Mr Speaker, my colleague, Hon Adongo started off by bringing into question the credibility of data that Government is brandishing.
Government does not conjure figures. Indeed, as per article 186 (2) of the Constitution, which I believe Hon Adongo knows very well, but for his elucidation, Mr Speaker, I would want to quote with your kind permission:
“186 (2) The Government Statistician, under the supervision of the Statistical Service Board, shall be responsible for the collection, compilation, analysis and publication of socio-economic data on Ghana …”.
Mr Speaker, at the time of the National Democratic Congress (NDC), Hon Adongo knows that it was the Statistical Services that procured those figures for Government. What has changed?
Mr Speaker, people are saying that other people should be truthful and honest in this House. The source of information remains the same and yet they make a U-turn to question the credibility. Every State institution must
be impugned because they are out of Government today. Is that where we are heading to as a country?
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member raised issues about the base of inflation which changed in 2018 and because of that, if we go back to 2016 and 2017, we would be comparing apples with oranges. That may well be the case. He rebased the economy and it began from 2008. In that regard, when he compared and went back to 2001 and 2002, what was he comparing?

Mr Speaker, people should be truthful and factual to themselves. So, when we change the base, certainly, we would begin from somewhere as they did when they won in 2008. Certainly, we begin from somewhere as they did in re-basing the economy when their administration began in

2008.

Mr Speaker, I cannot understand why people are shaking their heads like Agama lizards. [Laughter] --
Mr Speaker 1:33 p.m.
We do not want that. People are not shaking their heads like anything.
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Mr Speaker 1:33 p.m.
Yes, Hon Adongo?
Mr I. Adongo 1:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am sorry to do this. The Hon Majority Leader is my Leader, and I would ordinarily not have done this. He is however misquoting and misrepresenting me.
Mr Speaker, I did not challenge the credibility of the data released by the Ghana Statistical Service. What I challenged was the interpretation put on the data.
I would want to make the Hon Majority Leader understand that when we re-based the economy recently, we decided --
Mr Speaker, in 2016, the debt to GDP ratio was not 56 per cent; it was around 72 per cent. Why do we now quote 56 per cent? It is because they had to go back to re-base that economy in order to be able to compare apples to apples. That has not happened with inflation and so we cannot compare apples to mangoes. If the Hon Majority Leader seeks to quote me, then he should do so appropriately. I respect the Ghana Statistical Service, and I would be the last to challenge them on credibility.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank the Hon Member for coming home. However, he started by questioning the credibility of the
statistics that the Government is using -- I am quoting his own words -- but now, he wants to retreat.
Mr Speaker, I am saying that in 2008 their Administration began from somewhere. The Hon Member however, started his own analysis beginning from the platform that his Administration created in 2008 when the economy got re-based.
It is the same thing and the same analogy.
Mr Speaker, people are making issues about the overall deficit and the financial bailout. My Hon Colleague, the Hon Jinapor dwells so much on the overall and fiscal deficits. What the Finance Minister had set was below five per cent. Indeed, it was below 4.8 per cent in 2019.
Mr Speaker, a distinction is made. He says that everything ought to have been put together so that we would get the amount of GH¢7.1 billion. Perhaps what the Hon Minister said was to suggest that what occasioned the financial bailout out that he talks about was not the making of this Administration.
Mr Speaker, I would want to quote what the former President John Mahama said in this House in 2016. In 2016, in his State of the Nation
Address, the President of the Republic at the time had this to say -- he says on page 39 and I beg to quote:
“…Over the past five years, there has been a proliferation of microfinance companies.”
From 2016, five years down the line takes us to 2011, and who was in charge at that time?
Mr Speaker, I would go on. He says 1:33 p.m.
“These companies come under the direct supervision of the Bank of Ghana unfortunately, the lack of effective supervision has resulted in many cases in which microfinance companies licensed by the Bank of Ghana have breached the rules and created supposed pyramid schemes that have eventually come crushing down.”
Mr Speaker, the former President said, “… the past five years”; and he said this to us as a nation in 2016. So who caused it? Now, they are making it appear as if it is the creation of this Administration.
Mr Speaker, he continued and said 1:33 p.m.
“…Many depositors have lost their livelihood. While our laws place this matter squarely in the Bank of Ghana's ambit, Government has a concern for the poor unsuspecting Ghanaian clients who deserve to have been protected by a more robust inspection and supervisory regime by the Central Bank.”
Mr Speaker, there are two things here. It is an admission of the fact that these matters started from 2011. The former President said that his Government owed it a duty. The Hon Adongo said that if Government had decided to use the tax payer's money to bail out the depositors, that would have been their choice, but the former President John Mahama told this nation that his Government was concerned and would protect clients who deserved to have been protected by a more robust inspection and supervisory regime of the Central Bank. So he gave an indication that hisGovernment, if they had the opportunity, would have bailed out the clients.
Mr Speaker, so when people make a U-turn to say that now we have invested an amount of over GH¢ 12 billion, but their Administration would perhaps not have done so, it becomes incredulous. People talk
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Mr Speaker 1:33 p.m.
Yes, Hon Adongo?
Mr I. Adongo 1:33 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority Leader, when he wants to quote me must be factual. We said we would not revoke their licences. We can protect a depositor by making sure that the company that is
Mr Speaker 1:33 p.m.
Hon Member, you are out of order.
Hon Majority Leader, please continue.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, when he said over 400 financial institutions everywhere --
Mr Speaker 1:33 p.m.
Hon Member, I have ruled on the matter, so it is for you to proceed.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:33 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am proceeding, but he made a statement that over 400 financial institutions have collapsed or have had their licences revoked. How many banks operate in Ghana? He is changing tune now.
He should be factual himself. How many financial institutions or banks do we have in the country? Are they over 400 as he said? He meant savings and
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Mr Speaker 1:33 p.m.
Hon Adongo, you are out of order. You are on your feet without being called, and you are shouting.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, when people talk to untruths, their lies should be exposed. He mentioned over 400 institutions, but do we have --? [Interruptions] -- goodness -- it tells how truthful the Hon Member is as a character in this House.
He said we have more than 400 financial institutions that have been collapsed, and then he substituted and said that their licences have been revoked. What did he mean by that? Did he mean 400 banks? He is so untruthful, yet he makes it appear as if he is speaking to facts.
Mr Speaker, by their deeds, we shall know them; see how they are? --[Uproar] --
Mr Speaker 1:43 p.m.
I hope the Leaders are noticing Hon Jinapor in all his
marching from one aisle to the other and shouting across this House? Nobody has put him to order; fine, continue, but it is obvious to everyone. Nobody is putting anybody to order who moves across aisles.
Hon Majority Leader, please, continue.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much. It is interesting when people are talking about exchange rate depreciation. In 2008 when the New Patriotic Party (NPP) was exiting, the exchange rate was Gh¢1.10 to the dollar. At the time the National Democratic Congress (NDC) was leaving, the cedi had depreciated to over 350 per cent cumulatively. Now, he is talking about 13 per cent depreciation in a year. Which one is cheaper? Which one is much more dumb founding?
Mr Speaker, truth does not lie in the mouth of confident tricksters. Truth cannot lie in the mouths of such people. The people of this country know the truth and no amount of lying would save this country. The people know the truth.
Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for the space allowed me.
Mr Speaker 1:43 p.m.
At the end of the debate -- Hon Adongo, I am sorry to mention you. --[Uproar] --
Mr Speaker 1:43 p.m.
Considering the time and the business ahead of us, I direct that business continues beyond the prescribed hours. And the First Deputy Speaker will please take the Chair.
Hon Majority Leader, where do we go from here?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 1:43 p.m.
Mr Speaker, there is one Report from the Finance Committee, and if they are minded to move the Motion, we take the Motion numbered as item 8.
Mr Speaker 1:43 p.m.
Hon Members, the item numbered 8; Motion, Hon Chairman of Committee?
  • [MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER IN THE CHAIR.]
  • Chairman of the Finance Committee (Dr Mark Assibey- Yeboah) 1:48 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this honourable House adopts Report of the Finance Committee on
    the Annual Public Debt Management Report for the 2019 Financial Year.
    Mr Speaker, in so doing I present the Committee's Report.
    The Annual Debt Management Report for the 2019 Financial
    year
    1.0 Introduction
    The Annual Public Debt Management Report for the 2019 Financial Year was first presented to the House on Monday, 30th March, 2020 pursuant to section 72 of the Public Financial Management Act, 2016 (Act 921).
    The Report was referred to the Finance Committee for consideration and report in accordance with the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House. The Committee met and considered the Report with a Deputy Minister for Finance, Hon Abena Osei-Asare, and the technical teams from the Ministry of Finance and the Bank of Ghana, and reports as follows:
    2.0 References
    The Committee referred to the following documents:
    1. The 1992 Constitution;
    2. The Public Financial Management Act, 2016 (Act
    921);
    3. The 2019 Budget and Economic Statement;
    4. Standing Orders of Par- liament.
    3.0 Purpose of the Report
    The Purpose of the Report as stipulated in subsection (1) of section 72 of Act 921 is to inform the House on the:
    (a)Borrowings and other government debt management operations,
    (b) Guarantee and lending activities of Government, and
    (c) Other finance arrangements entered into by Government.
    Subsection (2) of section 72 further provides that the Annual Report should include:
    (a) information on the debt management strategy and the rationale for the strategy;
    (b) information on the contribution of the debt management strategy and the execution of
    the strategy in achieving the debt management objectives under section 58;
    (c) a list of outstanding government debt;
    (d) a list of outstanding government guarantees, including;
    (i) the amount and beneficiaries of the guarantees; and
    (ii) an assessment of the fiscal risk embedded in the guarantees.
    (e) a list of lending operations, including outstanding amounts and beneficiaries of the loons and an assessment of the credit risk of the loans; and
    (f) a list of outstanding supplier's credit agreements and finance lease agreements and the financial terms of the agreements.
    4.0 Observations
    4.1 Revised Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
    The Committee was informed that the nominal GDP for 2019 provisionally was GH¢345.9 billion
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Adongo?
    Mr Isaac Adongo (NDC -- Bolgatanga Central) 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion. In doing so, I wish to highlight a number of disturbing figures that are not consistent with the Reports that have been submitted to us by the Ministry of Finance.
    My first point of call is to indicate that the numbers that are reported as our public deficit per the Annual Public Debt Report completely shows that these numbers are inaccurate. Under Table 4.1 of the Annual Public Debt Management Report, the deficit is reported at GH¢16,726.7 million with GH¢4,837.7 million reported as the foreign financing of the Budget.
    Mr Speaker, if you look at paragraph 67 of the Hon Minister's own 2019 Annual Public Debt Report, it says and I beg to quote:
    “Accordingly, an amount of US$283.0 million from the proceeds was used to buyback the 2023 Eurobond, and US$1.872.7 million was used for budget support and critical infrastructure finance.”
    Mr Speaker, my point here is that when you spend part of your Eurobond money to support infrastructure and the Budget, it must go into your foreign financing of the Budget. The Hon Minister is reporting that out of the Eurobond money, US$1.874 billion was used to finance the Budget.
    If you convert it by the Hon Minister's own exchange rate of 5.54 Ghana cedis to the dollar, you would notice that this would amount to over GH¢10.7 billion. So how do you spend US$1.874 billion which amounts to GH¢10.7 billion, yet your foreign financing of the Budget is 4.8 billion? This must be magical.
    Mr Speaker, that is not even all. Again, on paragraph 72 of the same Minister's Report, he indicated that disbursement for multilateral, bilateral and commercial sources during the year accounted for US$424.7 million,
    US$104.9 million, and US$497.7 million, representing 10.5 per cent, 2.6 per cent and 12.4 per cent of the total disbursement respectively.
    Respectfully, Mr Speaker, if you add all the figures we got from donor support, in terms of the draw down of our commercial, bilateral and multilateral base to finance the Budget, the total gives you about US$1.27 billion. If you add that figure to the Eurobond it is US$1.8 billion, it means that our foreign financing of the Budget alone is US$2.9 billion. How does US$2.9 billion amount to a foreign financing of US$4.8 million? I cannot fathom any exchange rate that would give those figures.
    Mr Speaker, if you compare it with the Hon Minister's own figure, you would notice that the amount of money from foreign financing is about GH¢16 billion and not GH¢4.8 billion. So critically, close to GH¢11.7 billion of our foreign financing has been cleverly removed from our deficit and it is the reason you are seeing the budget deficit numbers that are ridiculously reported as 4.5 per cent of GDP.
    If you add the true cost of foreign financing to the domestic finance that is reported as GH¢13 billion, our deficit number is about between GH¢29 billion and GH¢30 billion. The
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Hon Member, hold on.
    Yes?
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:53 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, he knows that when you go for bridged financing, the moment the Eurobond money arrives, that one is paid off, so that would be double counting. Once you borrow the US$500 million bridge financing, it is even paid before the Eurobond
    money is released to the country. Why would he say that the bridged financing of US$500 million comes to add to the US$3 billion? Why would he do this? Why would he do this to the people of Bolgatanga?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:53 p.m.
    Your point is well made.
    Yes, Hon Member?
    Mr I. Adongo 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I wish that was the case. If you are running a country and you go and borrow US$3 billion, then you borrow another US$500 million and use part of the US$3 billion to pay it off, you must show a total borrowing of the US$3.5 billion and show how you spent that amount.
    So you would have shown that you borrowed US$3 billion from the Eurobond market and borrowed US$500 million from other sources. Out of that money you used US$500 million to pay the US$500 million bridged finance and used the others for liability management.
    You do not just exclude the figure completely from your records. What they have done simply means that the transaction never existed but that is not the case. So, that US$500 million is completely unaccounted for.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Hon Member, did the Committee make any such discussion of money not accounted for in your Report?
    Mr I. Adongo 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I raised it with the Committee that the
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Hon Chairman, how come you do not report on money that --?
    This is not --
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the issue of the bridged financing and how it is accounted for, did not come up at the Committee meeting. At the Committee meeting, he talked about the foreign financing but the US$500 million bridged financing was not mentioned at all.
    Mr I. Adongo 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the fact --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    I have not given you the Floor yet.
    Yes, Hon Member for Effutu?
    Mr Alexander Afenyo-Markin (NPP -- Effutu) 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion. As I did before, I shall rely on paragraph 4.1 on page 3 of the Report and again -
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Hon Member, hold on.
    Hon Member for Bolgatanga Central, I thought you sat when I asked you a question?
    Mr I. Adongo 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I got up but I thought you said the Hon Member for Effutu was on a point of order because he is specialised in points of order -- [Laughter]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Very well. If you did not conclude, you may conclude.
    Mr I. Adongo 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is alright, I will leave it there.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member used a phrase and I want to pray that same be withdrawn. While I make an application in respect -- he should sit. He said I am specialised in “points of order”. When a person makes an accurate submission on the Floor, the duty of Hon Members would be to correct the person and if I have taken that upon myself, he should not talk that way.
    He challenged me a moment ago -- he just came to this House -- he is a junior in this House. He challenged the Hon Majority Leader and he wants to bring it to me. He should withdraw what he said.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Even if you are accused of rising on a point of order, I think it is a credit because it means that you use our rules.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the way he put it -- he is a propagandist. I do not want him to describe me --
    Mr Speaker, I rise to contribute to the Motion and in doing so --
    Mr Emmanuel Bedzrah -- rose
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Hon Member, hold on.
    Yes, Hon Member for Ho West?
    Mr Bedzrah 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member for Effutu, said the Hon Member for Bolgatanga Central is a “propagandist”. A few minutes ago, the Rt Hon Speaker ruled out the use of the word “propaganda”. So if you could ask him to also withdraw?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:03 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it does not lie in his mouth to make an application for somebody. The man is in this House. He knows he is a propagandist.
    Mr Speaker, I shall proceed.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Hon Member for Effutu, when an
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:03 p.m.
    Very well. Mr Speaker, it is in your bosom.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:03 p.m.
    Kindly resume your seat.
    The Hansard Department would delete the reference to the Hon Member for Bolgatanga Central as a propagandist. I so rule.
    You may continue.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is important by way of introduction to point out that for eight years of the National Democratic Congress (NDC), January, 2009 to January, 2017, every domestic bond they issued cost this country more than 19 per cent.
    However, for the first time, the Government of President Nana Addo Dankwa Akufo-Addo, with its Hon Minister for Finance, Mr Ken Ofori- Atta, issued a domestic bond, which was so much criticised by the Minority and the opposition NDC, at the lowest interest rate ever. That is a matter of record.
    When it comes to prudence and competence, we do not hear any submissions from the Minority to
    challenge how this economy is managed. I have already said that at paragraph 4.1 on page 3 of the Report, our nominal GDP is now at 3.49 billion. The size of the economy -- if there has not been prudence and competence, this economy would not expand in spite of the challenges we have had in the financial sector.
    At the risk of being repetitive, I would want to rely boldly on the submissions of the respected Hon Majority Leader, when he quoted copiously the statement of the former President, Mr John Dramani Mahama, in respect of the inefficiencies he mentioned in the supervisory mandate of the Bank of Ghana, which cumulatively led to almost a shutdown in the finance sector.
    Mr Speaker, in spite of these, this Government has been able to expand the economy and sometimes when we hear the same people who could not manage express optimism of coming to take over and manage again, the question is what do they want to manage? We have had -- [Interruption] -- If they have a point of order, they should rise. They should not talk and walk away. This is a House of debate.
    Mr Speaker, in pressing economic growth in the domestic economy, we cannot say everything is perfect but,
    at least, if we get the eight years that the NDC had comparatively, relatively and in absolute terms, we would be far better than them. Confidence has been restored in the economy, which has led to the size of it and nobody could doubt that. Once there is confidence in the economy, there is that inflation effect.
    If people do not have confidence in an economy, they borrow at a very high cost and we saw that in the NDC era. Today, do we have a single digit inflation? As at end December, 2019 was inflation single digit? Why has nobody on the Minority side held a press conference to commend the Government for ensuring 7.9 per cent end year inflation? Why have they not challenged the single digit inflation in the economy as at end December,
    2019?
    Mr Speaker, the prudent monitoring management -- yes, it is true that this Government came to meet crisis in the financial sector and it is true that the clean-up has resulted in challenges in the employment market. Of course, certainly, some people have gone on but it is equally true that the Government has taken steps to protect depositors.
    Are people not receiving moneys albeit in instalments?

    When the Government promised that depositors were not going to lose their investments, did it keep to that sacred promise?

    Mr Speaker, one of the bonafide promises of a Government is to protect its citizens and I am challenging anybody on the Minority side who has a point to challenge me on this, whether or not Government has departed from its bonafide promise to the people of Ghana? It has not!

    Mr Speaker, he first said if there are issues, why would Government not go to court? Is Government not in court? Is the Government not exercising its right under the law and is there not transparency in the system of justice in the country? Are people affected not going to court? In any case, are people not being paid? Has anybody complained that after validation, he has been denied his assets? No!

    Mr Speaker, prudent monetary management includes protecting the interest and hard earned income, revenues and investments of the citizens of this country and that -- This Government has lived by that mandate.
    Mr Ebenezer Okletey Terlabi 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is not a fact that most of the people who have their investments with the banks have been paid, myself included. As I speak, my investment has been validated but not a penny has been paid.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, you see the half-baked information? Which bank?
    Mr Terlabi 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, GN Bank.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, GN Bank is the latest in the -- [Laughter] -- If he says GN Bank, he has not --
    Mr Speaker, after validation, you know that depositors were paid. If he is saying that he has some investments at GN Bank, we do not know the amount. If for instance, he had over US$20 million --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Hon Member, hold on.
    Yes, Hon Member for Bolgatanga Central?
    Mr I. Adongo 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is misleading this House. At Committee, we had the opportunity to approve and rectify previous payments that were issued as bonds and it was very categorical that Government was unable to pay all the depositors and it needed to pay them in fractions and GH¢20,000 was cited as the maximum amount that would be paid.
    Mr Speaker, the Director-General of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) only recently met the Committee and alluded to the fact that his original estimates of GH¢4 billion as the asset under management is now around GH¢12.5 billion and he is in discussion with the Ministry of Finance to see whether they could help him with money.
    Mr Speaker, so for my Hon Colleague, in the fact of all these facts before your Committee to say that everybody has been paid is a misleading statement and I would want him to withdraw.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Hon Member, were you saying investors or depositors?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I used the word, “depositors” and Hon Muntaka knows I used “depositors”.
    Mr Speaker, in any event, I am reliably informed by my respected economist, Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah that the Director-General never made such representation regarding the amount of GH¢12.5 billion. That is what he says to me and I am putting it on record.
    Mr Speaker, my submissions should not be misconstrued by the Hon Adongo and he must stop this. He did that to the Hon Majority Leader.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Hon Member, you have the Floor and I am listening to you. You engage in petty --
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, he was obstructing me.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:13 p.m.
    Please! When I am speaking listen. When they shout from their Side and you do not respond, I will not recognise them. Please, address me.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for advising me; he will never take a cue. He should keep standing and making noise.
    Mr Speaker, the point is, when it comes to prudence and competence, they know we are far better. They
    have had eight years from 2009 to 2017. If we get the same eight years, which God willing it is most likely, Ghanaians would see far improvements in their standards of living, similar to what they experienced under President J. A. Kufuor.
    Mr Speaker, in any event, through prudent management of the economy, this Government has been successful in introducing and implementing social intervention programmes that the naysayers said it was impossible. Social intervention programmes that the naysayers, the Minority, said it could not be done. We all know at least three: the initiative to bring in place One District, One Factory is on course.
    It is helping expand the economy. The initiative to create a platform for more of our graduates to get access to employment under Nation Builders Corps (NABCO) has been successfully rolled out. Above all, to judiciously apply the resources of this country, this Government has successfully implemented the Free SHS Programme.
    Mr Speaker, having regard to all of these which has led to a rather positive indicative figures, I think that this Report by the Committee must be approved and adopted. I have no doubt that my Hon Colleagues would support same.

    I thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity.
    Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 2:13 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, let me thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion that this House adopts the Report of the Committee on Finance on the Annual Public Debt Management for the 2019 Financial Year and, with your indulgence, to make a few observations.
    Mr Speaker, any Government seeking to finance its development projects will look at one of three options: revenue, which is the most convenient in terms of economic management; through borrowing or through public private partnerships. Let me just refer you to your Committee's Report of page 7, paragraph 411 in particular. I quote with your permission:
    “The Committee was informed that Government was working to pass a law to regulate public private partnerships (PPPs) in the country.”
    Mr Speaker, to express my disappointment that eight years on we are still discussing a law to govern PPPs. Then as Minister for Trade and
    Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 2:23 p.m.


    Mr Speaker, if you look, for instance, at the dualisation of Accra- Kumasi Road which is necessary to end the road accidents on that road or the Accra-Winneba-Cape Coast- Takoradi Road, we can only execute such roads through Public Private Partnerships (PPP).

    Mr Speaker, or if I want to focus on your road; Assin Fosu through Bekwai, one will necessarily need a PPP because Government does not normally have the muscle in terms of financial resources to do it. So, what we do is that of an offtaker for a longer period -- for instance, we say that Accra-Kumasi Road dualisation and I engage with you to do it and supervise it for the next 25 to 50 years as a PPP.

    So I am disappointed that four to five years on, we are still talking of non-existing laws and policies to guide

    PPP.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:23 p.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, please investigate why it has never happened though we
    have talked about it. I know the reason. All the numbers show that nobody can recoup his money in 50 years because the numbers we talk about in terms of our roads are way too small for the kind of investment required.
    Mr Iddrisu 2:23 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I agree with you but at least, we should have a blueprint to guide that.
    I do not intend to debate for long on this matter. Public debt as has been reported by the Bank of Ghana yesterday stood at 236 billion against what the government of the NPP inherited in January 2017 at 122 billion. If am to use the figures by the Auditor-General, I would have said, 120 billion and 236 billion, means that Government has doubled the public debt in three-and-half years.
    Mr Speaker, what I will ask for is an independent audit of Ghana's public debt given the debate that is going on as to what is reported to the IMF and what is reported to the public.
    Only yesterday, the Public Interest Accountability Committee (PIAC) which is a creation of the Petroleum Revenue Management Act (PRMA) was also publicly complaining about unaccounted US$1.5 billion and called on Parliament to do something about it.
    These are matters we will further interrogate when we get the opportunity to do a mid-year review of the Budget. However, we are asking for an independent audit of Ghana's public debt. This is because we will appreciate better all the ratios of debt to GDP and debt as a percentage of revenue when we know where we stand in respect of our public debt.
    Mr Speaker, however, in opposition, this current Government was bastardising borrowing and debt and said they will do responsive borrowing. The borrowing is just too much and we are in distress. In fact, among eight African countries, we have been declared as one of those that has been pushed to debt distress risk by the Economic Commission for Africa (ECA) and you can check your sources.
    Even Bloomberg reports that 13 per cent depreciation of the cedi was the highest since the year 2015, in the year 2019. So when we have a Government that wants to pride itself by saying that they are doing well in economic management -- so if they inherited a foreign exchange regime of 4.2 to a dollar, and today, it is 5.8, and they want to be praised. Even the
    Majority Leader (Mr Kyei- Mensah-Bonsu) 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the issue about PPP, I believe we have time again spoken about this that because of where we are as a middle income country, we are certainly going to rely more on PPP than the foreign direct investments; bilateral loans that we use to contract.
    So I agree that it is important that we have a law that will really regulate the affairs of our engagement with institutions and bilateral arrangements which we shall have that really relates to PPP.
    Mr Speaker, there should be a template for us so that if such Agreements come, the Finance Committee can then apply itself to that template in order for us to know whether or not we are going to have the value for money that as a country, we deserve. This is because for now, it is one item after the other that we have been doing in terms of PPP and there is so much difference in what comes before us each and every day and I think that it is important that we have this.

    Mr Speaker, I cannot agree with what the Committee has indicated to us in bullet 4.11 -- Public Private Partnership -- where the Committee says to us that Government was working to pass a law to regulate public private partnership in the country. The passage of Bills is by this House and not the Government, so I believe that the Committee would have to correct that sentence.

    If they had said that Government was working on a Bill to Parliament to have it pass a law relating to Public Private Partnership then that would have been a better piece of information to this House than what they have written. So I want the Hon Chairman of the Finance Committee
    Dr Assibey-Yeboah 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Majority Leader drew our attention to paragraph 4.1.1 under Public Private Partnership and he asked that I should effect some corrections. So I beg to amend the

    first line of paragraph 4.11 on page 7 to read:

    “The Committee was informed that Government was working to bring a Bill to Parliament to regulate PPPs”.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Hon Members, I would put the Question but as a group I do not know whether we should change the narrative of our discussion? There is a real reason why we spend a lot more than we earn. Our infrastructural deficit is huge but our contribution as members of the country is low. Maybe we should start changing our discussions towards that end otherwise we would continue to talk about our debts.
    Secondly, the banking sector clean- up that we are turning into a political football is a very emotional matter. People have huge sums of moneys locked up by financial institutions that cannot tell us where they took the moneys to.
    So please, we should discuss the matter in a manner which shows that people have been irresponsible and in some cases they have practically stolen the moneys rather than making
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Hon Majority Leader?
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe we can take an adjournment now and continue tomorrow at 10 o'clock in the forenoon.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Hon Minority Leader?
    Mr Iddrisu 2:33 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we are in your hands.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:33 p.m.
    Very well. Hon Members, the House is accordingly adjourned.
    ADJOURNMENT 2:33 p.m.

  • The House was adjourned at 2.44 p.m. till Thursday, 25th June, 2020 at 10.00 a.m.