Debates of 15 Jul 2010

MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:25 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:25 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:25 a.m.
Hon Members, Correction of Votes and Proceedings of Wenesday, 14 July, 2010.
Page 1 ... 6 -
Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, on page 6, item number 4 (16) - “Owusu-Bio, Benito”. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member was in the House yesterday. It seems to me that he has been marked absent and I believe that it is a wrong thing.
If my memory serves me right, I think Hon Amadu B, Sorogho (Alhaji) was also here. So we may have to look at that one also.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:25 a.m.
Very well.
Mr James K. Avedzi 10:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, on the same page, item 4 (7) - “Mrs Juliana Azumah-Mensah”, she was also present yesterday.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:25 a.m.
Table Office to take note.
Mr Joseph Osei-Owusu 10:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, on the same page, item 4 (2) - “Ahi, Sampson”. Yesterday the House's
Mr Joseph Osei-Owusu 10:25 a.m.


attention was drawn to the fact that he was absent with permission and I think the permission runs through till now.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:25 a.m.
Very well. The Table Office to check up whether he got the permission officially from Madam Speaker.
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Prof. (Emeritus) Samuel K. Amoako 10:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, page 10 under (1) - “Opening” - I am not a member of the Committee but I think they could not have met at 12.10 a.m., maybe, it should be “p.m.”
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:25 a.m.
It is true.

Hon Members, the Votes and Proceedings of Wednesday, 14th July, 2010 as corrected is hereby adopted as the true record of proceedings of the House.

We go to the Official Report - Friday, 9th July, 2010.
Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 10:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, column 2062, under the second “Dr Prempeh”, the second paragraph, the last line, that is - “Madam Speaker, my intendment.”
Mr Speaker, I believe there is no word like “intendment” and knowing Dr Prempeh, I think he would not have used that word. I think what he meant was “intention.” [Pause.] - Column 2062 - We have under “Dr Prempeh,” the paragraph beginning -
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:25 a.m.
Which of the “Prempehs,” we have about three “Prempehs” there.
Prof . (Emeritus) Amoako 10:25 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I said the second “Prempeh”, the second paragraph beginning “Madam Speaker, I am saying that look at -” the
last line of that paragraph -- The sentence beginning “That is, Madam Speaker, my intendment. . .” There is no English word like “intendment”. I believe he meant “intention”.
Mr First DeputySpeaker 10:35 a.m.
Very well.
Any other corrections?
Hon Members, the Official Report of Friday, 9th July, 2010 as corrected is adopted as the true record of proceedings.
Hon Members, Madam Speaker has admitted one Statement standing in the name of Hon Balado Manu. I do not know whether Hon Balado Manu is around or somebody can make that Statement on his behalf.
Hon Minority Leader?
Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:35 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is slated to travel today, which is why he was hitting his head literally against the wall yesterday to have the Statement read. I am told that he has left the jurisdiction.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
All right. Let us make an arrangement for somebody to make the Statement for him tomorrow.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:35 a.m.
Very well.
PAPERS 10:35 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Hon Members, item 5 on the Order Paper.
Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Cletus A. Avoka 10:35 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would respectfully invite the Hon Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing to apprise the House on this debate.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:35 a.m.
Very well. Hon Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing?
MOTIONS 10:35 a.m.

  • [ R e s u m p t i o n o f d e b a t e f ro m 14/07/2010]
  • Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing (Mr A. S. K. Bagbin) 10:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, yesterday, the House deliberated upon Motion number 5 on the Order Paper and raised a number of pertinent issues. So, I took the opportunity to brief His Excellency the President about the sense of the House with regard to the Motion that is before us, and His Excellency advised, which I believe, is the correct way to go, to request our Committee to go back to work more on the referral to them and respond to the issues that were raised by the House before the House could continue with deliberation on the matter.
    His Excellency is of the view that once Hon Members agree in principle that this is a good project, it is important that the national character of the project be not soiled by any show of partisanship. In fact, since the beginning of the whole process, both sides of the House have been part of the process and have shown tremendous support for the project. Therefore, the
    Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing (Mr A. S. K. Bagbin) 10:35 a.m.


    So, His Excellency advised and I strongly believe that is the right way to go. Therefore, I decided to put this across for the House to consider and to allow the Committee to do a thorough job on the issues that have been raised before they come back to the House.
    Mr Cletus A. Avoka 10:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, whatever is decided by this august House must not always just be in the supreme interest of this country but must be guided by the fact that the decision is well informed.
    Secondly, that the decision is transparent and most importantly, that it takes on board or it addresses the issues of regulations and other legal matters associated with the matter. It is against this background that I support the position taken by the Hon Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing.
    Indeed, Mr Speaker, this demonstrates the openness, the transparency and the fact that this Government is a listening Government. [Interruptions.] That this is a listening President who is for everybody, who is a father for all of us in Ghana. [Interruptions.] Mr Speaker, it takes the courage, humility of a Government to be able to say that yes, let me go back and do my own work. It takes the humility and courage of a Government and I think it is very, very commendable.
    Let me assure the Ghanaian public and particularly, the security services of this country which are the immediate beneficiaries of this facility, that the matter is not lost but that we just want
    to holistically address the issues and the concerns raised by Hon Members of this august House and Ghanaians at large so that when at the end of the day, we are able to put the Agreement in place and build the houses, everybody will be happy about it. So, security services, yes, we are still with you and definitely, at the end of the day, you will benefit from this facility.
    I thank you so much.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to support this request being made by the Hon Minister responsible for Water Resources, Works and Housing.
    Mr Speaker, I am encouraged that we have reached where we have reached today. The Hon Majority Leader premised his own support by saying that the Government is a listening Government and that is why they are doing what they are doing. I hope he had not gone there at all. Mr Speaker, juxtaposed against his own spirited defence of the status quo yesterday, I am amazed about the sudden u-turn. However, I am happy that good counsel has prevailed.

    Mr Speaker, that is why I am saying I

    am happy that good counsel has prevailed, because when these matters were being raised, it was as though people felt that we were only concerned or interested in throwing spanners into what people considered to be good works.

    Yes, as the Majority Leader has

    intimated, nobody is against this bold declaration of intent by Government to provide housing for the teeming masses of this country; nobody can be against it. Especially for the security services, knowing what conditions prevail in the various barracks, Mr Speaker, it is important that we lend our support to this project.

    However, the bumps in the way, we realised if we did not remove them and drove headlong into them, we certainly were going to get involved in serious accidents and not even get to our destination.

    I am happy that this thing has come up now and the President, informed by the wisdom proffered in this House and carried to him ably by the former Majority Leader, who is no more and who is - [Laughter] - the current Minister responsible for Water Resources, Works and Housing. I hope that by this gesture, the Majority side would learn to listen like the President when we constructively criticise.

    Mr Speaker, I always say in this House that we criticise to reform and not to destroy and people should not be allergic to criticisms.

    Mr Speaker, I am happy we are where we are and I hope this House would work together to remove the obstacles, the thorns, the thistles on the way to create the environment for a smoother take-off of this project, when it eventually comes to this House.

    Mr Speaker, I am most grateful and I am hoping that apart from these issues that have been raised, the Committee, when they do meet, will consider holistically every matter that needs to be considered, including the cost of the housing and so on -- Mr Speaker, including what the Agreement itself is about.

    Yesterday, looking at the Agreement,

    the Report coming from the Finance Committee is talking about the request for a specific amount. The Agreement itself talks about up to a certain amount -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, the thing is being withdrawn, so -
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:45 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker, I have taken a cue; I am only saying that we should be holistic in considering it, and may I suggest strongly that they include in this consideration the Committee on Works and Housing, so that all issues that are being raised or were about to be raised would be taken on board; so that we have a better report from the Joint Committee to this House for our consideration and subsequent approval, if need be? [Hear! Hear!]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Members, under our rules, indeed, under our Standing Orders, it is the Chairman of the Committee who moved the Motion who does the formal withdrawal. So on this note, I call on the Chairman of the Finance Committee who moved the Motion to do just that -- [Interruption]
    Hon Members, Order! Order! Let us listen to the Chairman, he has the floor.
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr James K. Avedzi) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am coming under Order 82 of the Standing Orders of the House and Mr Speaker, if you will permit me to read.
    “A Member who has proposed a motion may withdraw it, but if the motion has been seconded he may do so only by leave of the House.”
    Mr Speaker, I am seeking the leave of the House to withdraw the Motion on the Supplier's Credit Agreement between the Government of Ghana and STX Engineering and Construction, (Ghana) Limited that I moved yesterday.
    Mr Speaker, I want to put on record that the Committee on Finance has taken
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr James K. Avedzi) 10:45 a.m.


    Mr Speaker, it is good that His Excellency the President has listened to the concerns of the House and therefore is asking for more work to be done on this particular Bill.

    We want to urge the Ministers of Finance and Economic Planning, Water Resources, Works and Housing and Attorney-General and Minister for Justice that as we go back to look at the facility, they should be prompt -- and attend to our Committee meetings whenever we call on them, to enable us address the issues that Hon Members raised in this House, so that at the end, we would have a good Report for discussion on this floor.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Members, the rules are very clear and that is why I took comments from the Leaders to get the sense whether they are in favour of the leave.
    The Hon Ranking Member wants to speak, but briefly; we are not debating - Hon Members, we are not debating any Report, we are withdrawing it.
    So Hon Member, very briefly.
    Dr Anthony Akoto Osei 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to support the withdrawal of the Motion that has just been made by my Chairman. I want to thank all the speakers for re-echoing the fact that all of us are very much interested in housing, particularly housing for the security agencies.
    I want to thank the Hon Minister for Water Resources, Works and Housing for, after the spirited debate yesterday, taking it upon himself to see His Excellency. His Excellency is my senior brother and I want to thank him for listening to the arguments that were proffered yesterday.
    Mr Speaker, as I said yesterday, the object of our discussion was to bring to the House's attention matters that are, if interrogated properly, would benefit all of us and I am glad that the President has thought it wise to ask that the Motion be withdrawn and that the proper things be done.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
    Hon Members, thank you very much for your comments on this matter. Accordingly, the Motion is withdrawn and I also direct that the Committee on Works and Housing joins the Finance Committee in further deliberation of this matter. It is my expectation that the two Ministries will assist the Joint Committee in making every document available to them to discharge their mandate.
    Mr Ambrose P. Dery 10:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity. Your ruling, apart from being legitimate, is port on.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
    Very well,
    the Attorney-General ought to be involved but the real Ministries are Finance and Economic Planning, Water Resources, Works and Housing. The Attorney- General is to be at the background to give them the necessary legal advice as the principal legal adviser of the Government of Ghana.
    Mr Avoka 10:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, may I also
    humbly urge Hon Members who have ideas on the grey areas that we are concerned about, to appear before the Committee and assist them so that they can bring a Report that takes on board the concerns of all Hon Members. Once we have the opportunity to revisit the Committee's Report and the Agreement, I am urging all Hon Members who have concerns to put them before the domain of the Committee so that they can look at them well.
    Dr A. A. Osei 10:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I just need
    your guidance. Yesterday, you directed that two Agreements be made available to us.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
    That still
    stands.
    Dr A. A. Osei 10:55 a.m.
    Yes, am I to assume
    that at the appropriate time, those two would be laid?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
    Absolutely.
    Hon Members, thank you very much.
    Hon Majority Leader, are you ready for Item number 7?
    Mr Avoka 10:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we will take item number 7.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:55 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, the background noise is too much.
    Mr Avoka 10:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we can
    take item number 7, that the Education (Amendment) Bill, 2010 now be read a Second time.
    BILLS -- SECOND READING 10:55 a.m.

    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Mathias A. Puozaa) 11:05 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to submit the Report of the Select Committee on Education on the Education (Amendment) Bill, 2010.
    1.0 Introduction
    Pursuant to articles 103 and 106 (4) of the 1992 Constitution and Orders 125 and 186 of the Standing Orders of Parliament, the Education (Amendment) Bill was referred to the Committee on Education on 25th June, 2010 for consideration and
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Mathias A. Puozaa) 11:05 a.m.


    report in accordance with Order 126 of the Standing Orders of Parliament.

    2.0 Deliberations

    The Committee in considering the Bill first held a Stakeholders' Forum on the 2nd of July, 2010 to seek views on the proposed Act. The Committee also benefited from written memoranda and research work carried out by some individuals and groups, notably among them was the Anamuah-Mensah Committee's Report on the Review of Education Reforms in Ghana 2002.

    The Committee is grateful to all stakeholders and personnel from the Ministry of Justice for providing the necessary information that assisted the Committee in taking a decision on the Bill.

    3.0 References

    In considering the Bill, the Committee made reference to the fol lowing documents:

    i. The Education Act, 2008 (Act

    778)

    ii. Education (Amendment) Bill

    iii. The background notes by the Ministry of Education

    iv. The 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Ghana;

    v. The Standing Orders of Parliament;

    vi. Report of the President's Commission on Review of Education Reforms in Ghana (October 2002), (Anamuah- Mensah Committee's Report);

    v i i . R e p o r t o f

    the National Education Reform Implementation Com- mittee (NERIC), October 2007

    viii . National Forum on the Duration of the Senior High School Programme in Ghana (May 27- 28, 2009);

    ix. Presentations by Stakeholders

    4.0 Background Information

    The initial increase in the duration of second cycle education from three years to four years was to use the additional year as a remedial period for under- performance, poor quality of education and lack of proper foundation at the junior high school (JHS) level. It was also to enable programmes to be selected at the SHS formerly done at the junior high school level.

    The Bill made changes based on the recommendations by the Minister and approved by Cabinet for the retention of the three year system. A consideration was the quality of education at the basic level which has a direct bearing on the quality at the SHS level. The mainstreaming of the two years of kindergarten as an integral part of basic education, coupled with improved facilities at the basic level, will have a positive effect on the quality of education at the SHS level.

    The content of the senior high school curriculum was considered to be over- loaded for a three-year programme, hence the addition of another year. This is no longer justified since recommendations for improvement have been implemented.

    One improvement is a reduction in the content of the senior high school curriculum to make the programme more manageable. There has also been significant improvement in the performance of students since the
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Mathias A. Puozaa) 11:15 a.m.
    and
    Inadequate prepared junior high school (JHS) leavers.

    However, the duration of SHS was not mentioned as a problem affecting the performance of students.

    i i . The Government , in the accompanying memorandum, has outlined a number of initiatives targeted at solving these key issues to improve the education sector and hence the performance of students. The memorandum further states that the content of the SHS curriculum which was considered to be overloaded has been reduced as recommended.

    i i i Also , the guidance and counselling services at JHS level have been strengthened and there has been a significant improvement in the performance of students since then.

    iv The task of expanding facilities at the SHS level to take care of the fourth year is rather compounding the existing situation. Indeed, no major research on education has identified the length of stay in school as a factor for poor performance of students in Ghana. Research rather stresses the lack of a solid foundation
    Prof. Dominic Fobih (NPP - Assin South) 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to contribute to the Motion on the floor and to say that the amendment is premature, untimely and harmful to many students with weak academic backgrounds, especially from deprived rural schools.
    I am saying so because the Presidential Commission on Education's Report, on which the issue of three-year or four-year argument is based, was made contingent upon certain conditions which needed to be satisfied and these conditions are clearly spelt out as the provision of infrastructure, human and material resources and several others.
    The condition that if these needs or if these deficiencies are satisfied, then
    there was no need to increase the duration. And then added that Government should provide the human and material resources to all senior high schools, so that no senior high school is disadvantaged.
    Of course, knowing very well that there are many, many rural schools, sometimes without teachers, or sometimes we have just one or two teachers teaching primary or junior high school levels. But then you find that the basis of the amendment is futuristic, it is expectational in the sense that the main streaming of kindergarten (KG) is used something that is of a recent origin.
    Even though there were KGs in the past, but these were informal and were not publicly supported. It is just quite recently that they have been made part of the public system and therefore, are attracting public funds for improvement. And almost everybody would agree with me that not much infrastructure has even been put in place yet. Not many provisions have been provided in the schools to promote teaching and learning at that level. Therefore, to expect that when even the first cohort are yet in Primary 1 (P1), that it is making the needed impact and have fulfilled the conditions that were set by the Commission and therefore, we should revert to a three-year programme, is really, really uncalled for, untimely and premature.
    We also find that certain conditions have been mentioned by the Hon Minister, and those conditions having been provided, therefore, merits the change. These are efforts being made by stakeholders to provide human and material resources, measures being taken to address teacher capacity and teacher distribution. Then infrastructure and equipment issues are being taken care of; being addressed.
    These are expectational efforts and have not started yielding results yet despite the modest performance of the previous government - the New Patriotic Party (NPP) Government. Therefore, to base our argument now on this, when we know that we have not satisfied the main issue that the Commission recommended, that is the three year duration, is then to pre- empt what was expected and therefore it is premature and as I have said, untimely.
    Mr Speaker, I think if we revert to the three-year duration, many of our junior high school students, as well as even presently, the senior high school students would be disadvantaged and we would infringe upon the condition that was set by the Commission. The reasons are these - that many resources are still not in place; we have many of our students at the junior high school failing their examinations and this is about 48 per cent cent (48%) of about 360 students who take the ho take the Basic Education Certificate Examination (BECE), failing or dropping out. And if you have a system that about 52 per cent are only making it, especially at the first terminal point where you either leave for life or you continue, then there is a serious problem with the system that needs serious attention.
    We also have about 40 per cent of even those who pass with aggregate 30 going to secondary schools and this is considered to be an over-burden on the present Government and therefore, it is suggested in your Committee's Report by the Majority that because of that the 60 per cent that is left uncared for and unable to further their education or even prepare well for life, should be ignored. I think this is suicidal and would create a social menace if we throw such people into the streets without adequate preparation.
    I cannot really understand why the Majority should advocate for the retention of the 3-year, when in fact, 60 per cent of these junior high school students lack basic academic skills and basic literacy skills. Some of them cannot even write their names well, and we know this is real. Some of them cannot even speak basic English; some of them are very weak in mathematics.
    We know that the results of an international educational body like the International Association for Educational Assessment, when they did a comparative assessment test in 43 countries including Ghana in 2003, among JHS students, Ghana came last. When the same test was repeated in 2007 with 56 countries including Ghana, again, the same result occurred - Ghana came last.
    Mr Haruna Iddrisu 11:25 a.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I am listening very, very attentively to the good Professor. Mr Speaker, he would help us if he indicates the years of his references so that we are guided by the statistics he is sharing. If he would tell us that for this period, Ghana performed last; which year? So that we are guided, Mr Speaker, for purposes of accuracy -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    I heard
    2007.
    Prof. Fobih 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think I mentioned 2003 and 2007 respectively. Now, at the senior high school level too, we have the same occurrence - many students even failing or dropping out. Only 70 per cent of the few that pass do so with more than one sitting. Just a few
    passes, and even those who pass, 70 per cent out of that number do more than one sitting before they even pass to qualify for any tertiary education.
    We have also 80 per cent of those entrants into tertiary institutions in this country, coming from just 10 per cent - the top 10 senior high schools in this country, out of about 570 senior high schools - just the top 10.
    Then we also know that even at the senior high school level, about 35 to 40 per cent successfully complete the programme and get respectable accreditation in the sense that the certificate is for jobs, for continuation of one certification and so on. So they need to get about 6 passes and these range from 35 to 40 per cent.
    So Mr Speaker, if you have a system, again, that you have put in place with specified period of time and within the next lower level, that is, junior high school, we have as many as 60 per cent dropping out, some even scoring zero at the terminal point. Then at the senior high school level, that is, the next level of education, we have just about 30 per cent being able to pass with credible credentials and the rest just roaming about, sometimes resorting to remedial, unorganized courses, just desperate to be able to make it so that they can continue with their education --
    Why can the Government not take adequate measures to remedy the situation and correct it because human life is such that it cannot be stagnant; you cannot hold them constant and say that let us wait and see what happens within the things we are putting in place - human resources, material resources, teaching and learning materials and so on and so forth.
    They are growing and they will go, and
    those who have left the system, we do not know their future now. And we always complain about street children, the youth unemployment and so on and so forth. So why then are we in haste if we know that even the jobs are not there? Why do we rush these people out of school when we can use the time profitably to train them well so that when they go into life they can fare well and make it?
    Mr Speaker, your Committee again on page 6 (v) suggests that, in the strengthening of guidance and counselling in the schools, there has been a considerable improvement in the performance of students at the senior high school level. And that also with the pass mark of 40 per cent at the junior high school level, many entrants are now entering the senior high school and therefore, it is putting pressure on Government and Government should be allowed to rather expand the senior high school system at the expense of the 60 per cent who are unable to go to senior high schools.
    I think, Mr Speaker, this is a moral issue and a social issue as well. What moral right do we have not to mind the future of that 60 per cent JHS children who are unable to make it when we have the mandate of the people, we have the power and the resources of this country as a Government to manage their future?
    What social right do we also have to throw such children into the streets as I said, without minding the consequences to society in the future? When we are worried about armed robbers, immorality, indiscipline and many other things and we do not want to care about the future of such many children who are being thrown out because they have to leave school.
    Mr Speaker -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Ranking Member, how many more minutes do you have to conclude? I have a very long list here.
    Prof. Fobih 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think we
    do not also have any justification when we know that from all -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon
    Ranking Member, how many more minutes do you have to finish with it?
    Prof. Fobih 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, 20 minutes.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Ranking Member, I know you are the former Minister for Education and I do not want to intervene so that the House will be enriched by your experience. But we have a number of Hon Members who are on the list, so I will give you six (6) minutes to wind up so that I can call others.
    Prof. Fobih 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, when we know that from all analysis made, the failure of the JHS pupils and their weak backgrounds to senior high schools is due to their weakness in their core subjects. And that they need to be given consolidation because some of them have not had good tuition. This is because of absence of sufficient qualified teachers at this level, hence the sufficient foundation textbooks have been prepared to cater for them during the first two years of the four-year programme. And the syllabus has been reviewed to take good care of them so that they are prepared well to take on their elective subjects and pass well.
    An amount of US$98.5 has been spent to publish these textbooks which have been sent to the schools. Now, we are saying all these taxpayers' money should be wasted, should be set aside and then
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:35 a.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member of Parliament was -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    He is the Ranking Member.
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Ranking Member was a member of the Select Committee and on the day, he was in the House and what he rather did that day which, maybe, the Ranking Member has not cared to refer, is that he supported an amended motion moved by Hon Inusah on the very subject we are debating today. The Hansard of 14th November which indicates the process of deliberation - [Interruption.]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Member, he made reference to him. In his submission, he made mention of him saying that the Hon Minister took a certain position when he was the Ranking Member for Education. Now that he becomes the Minister for Education, he is shifting from that position.
    Now, he says that, no, he is misleading
    the House and he is referring to a certain Hansard saying that it is the opposite. It is a matter of record. Wherever he quotes, we will cross-check to know who is misleading and not misleading the House.
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:35 a.m.
    Rightly so, Mr Speaker. The Hansard of Friday, 14th November, 2008, the date on which the Bill was passed into an Act. If you look at column 2252, I quote-- The response to the amendment moved by the Hon Member, Hon Inusah was that - The response from Hon Balado Manu was that that Motion seeking an amendment -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Minister, you were saying the Hon Ranking Member on the floor --
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:35 a.m.
    No, the Chairman of the Committee, Hon. Balado Manu would not allow an amendment motion to section (1) (3), the very amendment which we are working on -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    But it is not the Hon Member on the floor who was on his feet?
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:35 a.m.
    So what the Hon Ranking Member is saying is rather misleading. The Hon Minister was here all the same, but he supported an amended motion which was condemned in these words:
    “I therefore oppose the amendment and find it unacceptable and propose that it should be treated with the highest contempt that it deserves.”
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  • Some Hon Members 11:35 a.m.
    Who said that?
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Balado Manu - [Interruption.] It is not true that the Hon Member was present and spoke in high terms about the amendment which we are trying to work on today.
    It is true that the Hon Member contributed and even seconded the main Motion on the enactment, but he was doing so upon the belief and satisfaction that Ghana needed a new Act since the promulgation of the 1961 Act and therefore, it is not true that the Hon Member just sat in and accepted the entire Bill, including this amendment which was proposed by Hon Inusah on that day.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Members, we should not belabour this point. The point is that that is not attributed to him, so he cannot be held responsible for an act of Hon Balado Manu.
    So, Hon Member, kindly proceed.
    Prof Fobih 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I oppose and give this to you, to prove that he said it.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister for Education rose on a point of order and the premise was to make an attribution to the Hon Member who was speaking, Prof. Fobih. He got his act completely wrong and then made a u-turn and said: “Oh, it was Balado Manu who made that statement.”
    Mr Speaker, clearly, I could not have got up on a point of order against his own point of order but I thought that having concluded and so crash-landed, you should have told him that he was out of order without mincing words, so that next time round, he will not come in that vein again.
    He was completely out of order and before he gets up to interject again, may I apply to you that you rule his earlier intervention out of order so that he does not commit that sin again.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Hon
    Member, did you hear what I said very well? What I said was that an attribution or a statement made by Hon Balado Manu could not be attributed to the Hon Ranking Member. You want me to use
    those words?
    Mr Avoka 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister for Education has already concluded his submission, so you could not have ruled him out of order again. The Minority Leader's intervention, therefore, is late in the day, with the greatest respect.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, let us make progress; we have a number of Hon Members who have lined up to speak.
    Yes, Hon Minister.
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:45 a.m.
    I think I was perfectly in order. [Laughter.] The Hon Ranking Member was attributing something to me which is entirely wrong. I was present that day; I contributed; I even seconded the Motion in the absence of the Ranking Member at that time. I did not submit to an approval of a subsection which was amended by the Hon Inusah that day and after he had tabled that amendment which reads --
    Mr Speaker, as you will recall, I drew attention to section 1, subsection (2) and section 1, subsection (3), in relation to the way the provisions have been couched and I find the amendment unacceptable, infertile and should be thrown off board.
    I supported the motion for the amendment that day and it will be wrong for the Hon Ranking Member to say I supported the clause during the debate on the Act.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    So you
    are telling the House that even though you seconded the motion, you did not second everything in the Bill? Is that what you are saying? Is that the position and that you have objected to certain clauses in the Bill, so it is wrong for the Hon Minister to say that you seconded and supported the Bill when it was introduced in the House?
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, that is
    precisely so.
    Prof. Fobih 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, with your
    permission, I will quote exactly what he said in the Hansard of November 14, 2008 and Hon Balado was the Chairman for the Education Committee and he the Hon Minister was the Ranking Member to the Committee:
    “Mr A. N. Tettey-Enyo (NDC - Ada): Mr Speaker, I rise to contribute to the Motion on the floor and to say that Education Bill is long overdue.”
    This is column 2172; then it continues again:
    “There are several things to say about the merits and the necessity of Ghana having after several years, to produce an Act that will enable those who are supporting us, our partners in the educational enterprise, realise the seriousness and the legality of the financial support that they would be making available to us.”
    So this is what I meant.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Very well,
    but he is saying that he did not support everything in the Bill. That is his second point that he is trying to make but kindly continue.
    Hon Minister, let Prof Fobih continue; I think you have made your point.
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would
    not like us to waste time on this issue. But I have to correct the impression the Ranking Member is trying to create. If you look at column 2251, Hon Fuseini moved an amendment --
    “Mr Speaker, I beg to move, Clause 1, subclause (3), delete “four years”
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 11:45 a.m.


    and insert “not less than three years.”

    The Chairman's responses to this is on column 2253. I therefore, quote:
    Mr Manu 11:45 a.m.
    I therefore oppose the amendment and find it unacceptable and propose that it should be treated with the highest contempt that it deserves”.
    It is true that the few of us, that last day of the Meeting of this Parliament that passed the law, I was the only person bold enough to accept the fact that Ghana needed a new Education Act and that was precisely what we did. And the obnoxious section of it was opposed by me. I seconded the amendment, asking that that obnoxious clause should be rendered “not less than three years” and he should have referred to that because he has the Hansard --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Hon
    Members, let Prof. Fobih continue and conclude.
    Hon Prof. Fobih, you have the floor.
    Prof. Fobih 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, what I said
    was that, he said the Bill was long overdue and that he supported the merit of the Bill. I did not say he supported everything in the Bill --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Hon Members, that resolves the matter, so kindly continue and conclude.
    Prof. Fobih you have the floor, continue.
    Prof. Fobih 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as for
    teacher deficit, it is real because the situation has not changed and the Hon Minister himself, on the 7th of July this year, in an Answer to a Question in the House, acknowledged that out of the declared 33,185 vacancies, he was expecting 8,625 teachers to fill those vacancies and we do know that pupil
    teacher estimate for 2010, is 23,988 and out of this, only 3,000 was approved. So leaving a gap of 20,980 to be filled.
    We also know that the ratio of trained teacher to pupil teacher is one to 175 to some regions in the country. We also equally know that out of the 5,227 schools under trees declared, there are still 3,900 schools under trees remaining.
    Again, we have an estimate of 4,000 schools under sheds and in the 2010 Budget, out of the US$750 million requested to build infrastructure, only US$6 million was approved. Presently, the pupil desk ratio is one is to seven in some regions. We do know that the hen that lays the egg, the GETFund inflow for 2009 was short by GH¢10 million.
    The District Assemblies Common Fund was also short by GH¢15 million. We know that as of January this year, about 95 per cent of deprived schools had not received the promised school uniforms.
    Now, I am pointing all these to show that the situation is not normal for us to go back to the three years programme.
    These were the basis and the consideration for going into a four-year programme which we think would be more beneficial because it will provide a cushion for Government, which we know that in the short-term, cannot fulfil all these conditions.
    Meanwhile, many students are really failing in the system, so some intervention measures need to be put in place and the four-year gives room to do that exactly well --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
    Hon
    Ranking Member, kindly conclude.
    Prof. Fobih 11:55 a.m.
    So in conclusion, Mr
    Speaker, our view is that in the short-term, it is not possible to provide the needed resources as the Education Commission

    I, therefore, find it objectionable to

    accept the amendment proposed because in all ,the fora that have been held, opinion is divided. Even in 1987, when the reform was being introduced, opinion was divided; the 4-year issue came up. In 1999, the 4-year issue came up.

    I n P r o f . A n a m u a h - M e n s a h 's Commission, the 4-year issue came out. So it means that the nation is divided on this issue and it is not something that is so simple to sweep over.

    I, therefore, would like to appeal to all

    sides of the House, in fairness to many parents, whose wards are suffering in the system, and their future is being doomed to failure, to oppose the amendment and retain the 4-year programme.

    Minister for Communications (Mr

    Haruna Iddrisu)(MP): Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to associate myself with the Motion on the Education (Amendment) Bill, seeking to reduce the number of years of senior high school from 4 years to 3 years, keeping faith with various evaluations that have been done to the performance of our education system.

    In doing so, Mr Speaker, let me refer you to page 6 of your Committee's Report, and in particular, the last but one paragraph which begins with:

    “Ghana is one of the countries in the sub-region taking the West African Senior Secondary School Certificate Examination (WASSSCE) formerly,

    Senior Secondary School Certificate Examination (SSSCE). However, compared to these countries, the duration of Ghana's senior high school (SHS) system far exceeds the other countries in the sub-region.”

    Mr Speaker, in supporting this argument, I have a letter from the West African Examinations Council and in tandem with the Government's White Paper, which was issued by the previous Administration in 2007. Ghana belongs to the league of nations, we are part of the West Africa Senior Secondary School Education system. And Mr Speaker, in those countries, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, and The Gambia, primary school is 6 years, junior high school 3 years, secondary school 3 years and 4 years.

    Mr Speaker, it is only appropriate that
    Prof . Fobih 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point
    of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister on the floor is misleading this House.
    Mr Speaker, we are thinking of the numbers of human beings involved, and we are also thinking of a system which is beneficial to the country, Ghana, not any other country. [Interruptions.] In America itself, some states have 3 years, some states have 4 years, even in the same country. [Interruptions.] So what prevents Ghana, as an independent sovereign country, if it feels that many of its children are failing in the system that is there, that it cannot adopt a 4-year programme to improve it?
    Mr H. Iddrisu 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    just saying that Ghanaian students, just like their counterparts in Nigeria or in The Gambia or in the Sierra Leone, would
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point of order. Mr Speaker, I thought that the issue being raised by the Hon Minister for Communications, this House has gone past that. But now that he is talking about consistency and he cites profusely in his argument what obtains in Nigeria.
    Mr Speaker, we do know that after the three years of high school education in Nigeria, they spend one year to do what they call Joint Admission Matriculation Board Examination (JAMB) -- [Interruptions.] Mr Speaker, is he saying that consistent with what obtains in Nigeria, we should also spend one year to do the JAMB examination? He is talking about consistency.
    Mr Joe K. Gidisu 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the
    Hon Minority Leader has gone out of the way. Nigeria, just like most other countries all over the world, have 6-3-3-4 year programmes and this was what obtained all over the world. It is 6-3-3-4. That is the situation which obtains in Nigeria as well as what we have had before those black- out years between 2001 and 2008.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:55 a.m.
    Mr

    Mr Speaker, in the United States of America, it is not like that. And Mr Speaker, he is saying that I should take the United States of America away; he is now saying that I should take the United States of America away. Which “world”

    was he talking about?

    Mr Speaker, in respect of Nigeria, I am not disputing the fact that officially it is 6-3-3-4; I am not disputing that fact. I am only saying that further to the second 3, they have to do JAMB examination. And Mr Speaker, he has not disputed that. So what was the point in his intervention?
    Mr Gershon K. B. Gbediame 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, those of us who had the opportunity of teaching in Nigeria -[Interruptions] - were the people who started the new system and the JAMB examination used to be written when they were operating the Odinary Level and Advanced Level systems. So with the new system, there is no JAMB examination.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
    Hon
    Minister for Communications, you have the floor.
    Mr H. Iddrisu 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am happy that the Hon Minority Leader has been reminded that he is seen to be living in the past -- Laughter ] -- when it comes to reforms affecting education in Nigeria. And it is also important for him to know that JAMB is an examination; it was an examination which was undertaken. I am referring to number of years of formal training in the classroom, which builds up the person at the basic education level.
    But Mr Speaker, may I proceed? Mr Speaker, in the previous Administration, in 2002, the then President of the Republic commisioned the Anamuah-Mensah Committee under the reference, “Meeting the Challenges of Education in the 21st Century”, which subsequently submitted its report and to which Government issued the White Paper in October, 2004. I have a copy here.
    Mr Speaker, if you look at the
    Anamoah-Mensah Committee's Report, particularly in paragraph 3 (1) (22)
    - “Recommendations”, and with your indulgence, I quote -
    “Having critically examined the arguments for and against the extension of the Senior Secondary School programme to 4 years the Committee strongly recommends
    . . .”
    “Strongly recommends”, Mr Speaker, that is my emphasis.
    “. . . the retention of the current 3-year programme in order to alleviate the attendant problems and cost involved in the extension for parents and government.”
    Mr Speaker, therefore, the subsequent White Paper which was issued, I concede, makes far-reaching recommendations to address some of the imbalances to which some other contributors have availed themselves of, that there exists wide disparities in the provision of quality education between rural and urban Ghana and between so-called privileged and under-privileged institutions. Mr Speaker, perfectly within it.
    But Mr Speaker, I have with me
    another analysis shared by Prof. Jerome Djangmah and I want this to be the basis of my contribution to this debate, which must convince all of us that to save cost for government, for parents and for the people, it is only appropriate that we maintain four-year high school.
    Mr Speaker, subsequent to the White Paper of 2007, the previous Government pledged that it would make adequate budgetary provision in the 2008 Budget to fix some of these problems for a speedy implementation of the very recommendations of Anamuah-Mensah Committee. But Mr Speaker, by the end of last year, not much had been done to prepare our educational institutions for the
    Prof. Fobih 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise on
    a point of order. The Hon Minister is misleading this House. The infrastructure that are being built now were started by the New Patriotic Party NPP Government - [Uproar.] They should tell us which ones they have started - all the infrastructure going on now. So why is he saying -- When in the 2009 Budget Statement, item 633, they acknowledged that in that year alone the NPP Government built 627 infrastructure - school buildings --
    Mr H. Iddrisu 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the good Professor only reinforces my argument that not much -- I did not say that nothing was done; I said, “not much for a smooth take-off and a smooth implementation of the four-year programme”. Because Mr Speaker, at the end of 2009, the students were looking for an additional infrastructure which ought to have been made available for them to transit from year three to year four. That was not provided and that is now being considered. Initiative, I agree with.
    Mr Speaker, I was quoting Professor Djangmah and with your indulgence, I do. He says that --
    “ Our problem now is how to achieve higher standards for the majority of schools and students who attend poorer Senior High Schools and largely products of the poorer public basic schools. These are the children for whom the four- year SHS was intended.”
    Mr Kwaku Agyeman-Manu 12:05 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister is misleading the House. He is trying to tell us that by 2009 students who were supposed to move into the fourth year were waiting for infrastructure to move there. He claims not much had been done, so where did those students go? It is not correct, he should correct himself, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, you have the floor.
    Mr H. Iddrisu 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was referencing Prof. Djangmah in order that we will situate the debate, that the problem of Ghanaian students for their building up at the basic level does not lie in the duration. Mr Speaker, even if we extend it to five, six years, there would be some students who would not cope up, who would perform very poorly. Intelligent co-efficient is a natural thing and some of them may not be privileged or lucky enough to be brilliant students.
    So the problem does not lie in the duration. The problem lies in strengthening basic education, particularly at the junior high school level and offloading some of the content and curricula at the senior high school level so that these pupils would have enough time and more contact hours with their teachers in order that they can prepare themselves for tertiary education beyond senior high school.
    Mr Speaker, I will concede that one
    Dr Kofi Asare 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minister said students moving to fourth year - My child started this programme; she is in the third year. Which students
    is the Hon Minister saying have moved to the fourth year? [Interruptionss] They are starting in September. So the Hon Minister should tell us -- [Interruption]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, Order!
    Dr Asare 12:05 p.m.
    The Hon Minister should tell us which students have moved to the fourth year. They are moving to fourth year this September, so whom is he talking about?
    Mr H. Iddrisu 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 12:05 p.m.
    Mr
    Speaker, the Hon Minister himself acknowledged when the Act was passed in this House. Would the Hon Minister tell his Colleague when the Act was passed? -- [Laughter.] November, 2008? So between November 2008 and December -- two months -- what was he expecting to have been done? Mr Speaker, clearly, it is ridiculous for the Hon Minister to be going the path he is treading.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister?
    Mr H. Iddrisu 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Minority Leader is only reinforcing my arguments. In the two months not much could have been done and not much was done; he knows that within two months not much could have been done. So it is appropriate that I said that “not much was done for its smooth take-off and
    implementation.”
    Mr Speaker, I have with me here the Report of the National Education Reform Implementation Committee (NERIC), October, 2007 and I am referring to page 25. We made reference to the White Paper recommendations and this paragraph is very significant --
    “In the Government's White Paper deriving from the Anamuah- Mensah Report, the Government defines a new 11-year universal basic education system comprising two years kindergarten, six years primary and three years junior high school, followed by a four-year senior high school.”
    Mr Speaker, it continues -
    “The senior high school will have two parallel streams, one leading to the ‘grammar-type schools' and the other through the ‘technical institute”,
    Mr Speaker, what steps did we take or have we taken as a country to assure these students that once they graduate from JSS, they are moving towards one of these schools, whether technical or the grammar type. We needed recommendations of the same Anamoah-Mensah Committee Report to assure these institutions of adequate resources, improved incentives for teachers, improved contact hours between pupils and teachers and they would be able to do better even within three years.
    Mr Speaker, let me reference this; many of us would recall that whether one went through middle school or one went through Ordinary (‘O') Level, there were some students who even at secondary school form three could write ‘O” Level
    and pass. Some of these brilliant JSS students, if you give them an opportunity, they would do better. So what we need is to strengthen the basic level - primary and JSS. Let us give them the best of opportunity of training, let them have good quality teachers, let them have motivated teachers who would spend man hours with them and the three-year secondary high school would just be enough.
    Mr Speaker, since the reforms in 1987, whether lawyers or engineers or doctors, the educational system has produced, consistent with my argument that intelligent co-efficient does not respect duration. Mr Speaker, therefore, this argument should not be about the duration of whether they are spending four years; it should be about a commitment.
    Mr Speaker, I am happy to note - and that would be my concluding remark - that your Committee, in referring to the Government ‘s memoranda, reference the fact that Government has accepted the respondibility.
    Indeed, the acceptance of the responsibility was well articulated in the Government White Paper of 2004 and notwithstanding the change in the administration, many of the issues raised, whether in the area of guidance and counselling, medium of instruction, teacher education, inspection and special education division, are being well implemented by the able Minister for Education and therefore, he needs our support to have the legal backing to reverse it from four years to three years in order to guarantee certainty in the further training of our youngsters.
    With this, Mr Speaker, I associate myself with the Motion.
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Members, let us allow the debate to flow; he just took the floor -
    Alhaji Sorogho 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is not that he has just started. A chick which will grow to become a cock is spotted at the very day it is hatched. I am saying that he was the Director-General and supervised it for so many years when it was three years and he indicated that it was very successful. Today, he is telling us that it is a disaster. So it means his reign as a Director-General was a complete disaster; is that what he is telling us?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Member, you know that as a Director- General, you implement a policy of the Government of the day and trying to make it personal to him is not proper. So please, Hon Professor and former Director- General of Ghana Education Service and former Minister for Education, continue. [Laughter.]
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that comment is out of place. Mr Speaker, we are talking about an amendment now; amendment to - [Interruptions] - amendment to an Act that was passed in 2008. Mr Speaker, it is precisely because of my experience that I need to enlighten some of them. [Hear! Hear!] --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, the use of the expression that you are enlightening other Hon Members is unparliamentary.
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would replace that word - to try and walk people like my Hon Friend, through certain motions which have gone on in the Ghana Education Service.
    Mr Speaker, I am referring to the 1994 Report by Prof. De Heer-Amissah in which a strong recommendation was made then to have the duration increased to four years. That was not accepted.
    Mrs Elizabeth Amoah-Tetteh 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Professor said something; I want to correct him. He was talking about experience. If it is experience, then I think we began the three years long before he came in and that is why we are saying that we have seen the challenges. So they should allow us to continue to implement the good things so that we win -- [Interruptions.]
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, again, because of my long stay in the Ministry and the association I have had with education, I think it is my responsibility to throw some light on some of these developments in the industry and that is precisely what I am trying to do.
    Now, Mr Speaker, we keep referring to Anamuah -Mensah's Report and if we look at the Executive Summary, which is the same as in the main Report - 311 - on duration of SSS. Mr Speaker, with your permission, I would read:
    “A lot of public concern expressed
    during the regional tour and oral presentations made to the Committee indicated that a number of people wanted an extension of senior secondary education to four years. The Committee has discussed these at length and noted that factors accounting for the low achievement at the SSS are multi- faceted.
    Some of these are:
    lack of adequate teaching and learning facilities;
    poor infrastructure facilities;
    lack of well-motivated and committed teachers;
    absence of proper guidance and counselling services,
    p o o r m a n a g e m e n t a n d supervision;
    inadequately prepared JSS leavers; and
    a b s e n c e o f p e r f o r m a n c e standards for each subject.”
    Mr Speaker, these are the conditions. Are we being told that these conditions have been met for us to continue? Mr Speaker, it is very critical that we examine these conditions. The argument is that if these have not been met, then it is important that we take Prof. Anamuah- Mensah's comment on the duration in the right context, “do these things so that we can continue with the three year programme.” We have not done them.

    Alhaj i Mohammed-Mubarak

    Muntaka: On a point of order. Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleague opposite is misleading this House. He read a section of the Report and it is only fair that he reads to the end of that paragraph. This is because Mr Speaker, when he mentioned that this is how it continued. [Interruptions.] Mr Speaker, this is how it continued. Mr Speaker, it is here, this is how they concluded: “that if these deficiencies are addressed, there will be no need to increase the duration”. That is what they said. So why did he not read that? - [Interruptions.]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Hon Members, order!
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    Mr Inusah A. B. Fuseini 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    thank you very much for the opportunity. I thought the good old Professor who was the Director-General of Ghana Education Service and former Minister for Education and now Member of Parliament will move away from the argument. Actually, he is deeply aware of the recommendations of the Committee having considered all the factors that he read; and if he has forgotten, let me remind him. They said:
    “Having critically examined the arguments for and against the extension of the senior secondary school programme to four years, the Committee strongly recommends the retention of the current three- year programme in order to alleviate the attendant problems and cost involved in the extension for parents and government.”
    Mr Speaker, I am quite aware that the former Minster for Education looked at this
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    that from my very good Friend is highly speculative -- clearly. The final recommendation from Government was fully discussed at Cabinet. He cannot sit here to declare that I also argued against the three-year programme. In fact, the four-year programme came into being after the following -- and I am ready to give him reasons the President and Cabinet opted for the four-year programme.
    Mr Speaker, prior to 2002, when Prof.
    Anamuah-Mensah and others presented their report, some basic research had not been done in terms of analysing most of the data. Mr Speaker, from 2006 to 2008, there was enough data and there was considerable analysis for all of us to be told in clear terms about the performance of students in senior high schools.
    This is again from the work of Prof. Djangmah, Prof. Addae-Mensah and others. In 2006, Mr Speaker, if you take the 20 per cent of the schools that took the examination, 75.7 per cent qualified for the universities and tertiary institutions. We are talking about those that obtained 24 or better. In 2007, this figure came to 76 per cent and in 2008, it dropped to 71.8 per cent.
    Mr Fuseini 12:25 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I am quite interested in the argument of the former Minister for Education and he is grossly misleading this House. As a former Minister, I know he is quite aware that successes at examination are not a function of the number of years that one stays in school but the function of the studies that one does in school. Does he know that? -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, continue.
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    I take this exercise rather seriously. This is because looking at the data -- the point I am going to make is that even looking at the performance of only 20 per cent, we have 14 per cent qualifying with aggregate 24 and you and I know that for most of our universities, 24 will not get one entrance. Mr Speaker, again, if you look at 2007, we had 13 per cent of the lot and for 2008, close to 17 per cent.
    Mr Speaker, what this shows is that a large number of our institutions are simply not being able to produce material that will get into our tertiary institutions. You and I, all of us here struggled very hard to get our wards into these top 20 per cent schools. Somebody should tell me I am lying.
    Pressure is put on the Minister for Education, Ghana Education Service to get our kids into these schools but we are representing the people. Hon Colleagues are representing the people and if the bulk of the institutions are unable to produce material that should get us into the tertiary institutions, then we have a problem.
    That is the problem that ought to be addressed, given the facts and based on Prof. Anamuah-Mensah's Report that most of these conditions have not been met. If we meet them there would not be any problem.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:25 p.m.
    On a point
    of order!
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Against
    whom? Against the Professor?
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is a point of information and the Hon Member has yielded.
    Mr Speaker, this is a very, very serious
    matter. I have also been a Minister for Education. I see that Hon Members are talking; they are not listening, including Leadership. I am appealing to you to appeal to Hon Colleagues to please listen to the debate that is going on. This is a very serious business.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon
    Members are listening, that is why they are raising points of order.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon
    Member for Sekondi, you know very well that when the Minister for Communications was on his feet, he was heckled until he concluded? You know that?
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    the appeal is to all Hon Members of the House on both sides of the isle. That is all.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    You are now talking. Hon Members, let us listen to the Professor.
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Yes, Hon
    Minister for Roads and Highways?
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I was going to draw the attention of the Hon Member for Sekondi (Papa Owusu- Ankomah) that for the past thirty minutes, he was out at a press conference. He is just coming in and he is now trying to draw that attention.
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    I respect my Hon Colleague very well and indeed, when one holds an Executive position, when one is a member of government, the expectation that I have of that person is extremely high.
    The Hon Minister says I walked out. Yes, I walked out and entered; I do not disturb proceedings. I have not attended any press conference. For him to say that -- a member of government -- a blatant misinformation -- Mr Speaker, it is most unbecoming. I am asking him, having referred to me personally, to withdraw that statement and apologise. [Hear! Hear!] I take strong exception. He should set a better example.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister for Roads and Highways, the Hon Member for Sekondi is saying, indeed, he walked out and came in but he never attended any press conference. He agrees that he walked out, walked in but he never attended any press conference. What do you say to that?
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I spoke
    in my capacity as an Hon Member of Parliament and I was relating to him on that score. I was not relating to him in my capacity as a Minister of State. I am speaking as an Hon Member of this House

    and the Member of Parliament for Central Tongu. I saw him going out and I saw him coming back and that was the conclusion that perhaps, he had joined the on-going press conference.

    So if he is now saying on the floor of the House that he has not gone to attend the press conference, then I want to withdraw the comments that he had gone to - But he was out for a greater period of time before coming back --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Yes, he
    has withdrawn the reference to the press conference. We should end it there.
    Professor, how many minutes do you
    have? We cannot spend the whole day on one Bill. We have a lot of amendments there. We want to start today. We cannot spend the whole day on one Bill.
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    this point is very important that if we have over 500 secondary institutions and only 20 per cent are producing the number of students that could get into our tertiary institutions, then it is cause for worry and that is the point being made by Prof. Djangmah and Prof. Ivan Addae-Mensah including Prof. D. K. Agyemang that “look, this number is incredibly low, let us find ways of improving the schools”.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon
    Prempeh, I thought you will take the advice of the Hon Member for Sekondi.
    Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker,
    so the point being made is not that the duration cannot be decreased to three years, no. The point being made is that most of these institutions, for lack of all the facilities that have been mentioned, are simply unable to produce the material that we expect to move on and hence we need a period of stabilisation. We need a period when all these things would be improved so that we can improve the lot of most of the kids. Asking for a four-year period also means that we have to take a look at the university level.
    Mr Speaker, we know that our universities run four-year programmes. The intention of doing the four-year programmes originally was also to enable us prepare the material in such a way that we would then reduce the number of years we spend in our tertiary institutions. Mr Speaker, the cost of preparing a student at the university level is 30 times the cost at the senior high school level. People have been talking about cost to the parent.
    Mr Speaker, I find the argument rather weak. A parent whose child is unable to gain admission into a tertiary institution is forced to spend money to run remedial classes for the child to maintain the child in the home. If this period had been spent at school, the burden on the parent would have been lower and therefore, this cost element to parents is neither here nor there. They are spending more and some of them write about three times before they improve on their grade.
    So Mr Speaker, the argument that we are going to spend more if we add that additional year to the current system does not hold. Parents are spending more even now. All those in the last 80 per cent of our schools have their parents spending money to run remedial schools.
    Mr Speaker, we are looking at the future of our future generations. Getting
    them proper education, quality education is the key to their future. I think that by altering this duration, we would be causing considerable damage to the success of the pupils. I would urge us, in the interim, to stay with the four-year period as we look at the various recommendations by the Committee. We are going to take time to put all these in place. But in the meantime, I suggest strongly that we stay with the four-year period.
    I thank you very much.
    Mr Theophilus T. Chaie (NDC - Ablekuma Central) 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to contribute to the debate on the floor of the House and I urge Hon Colleagues here present to actually support the Motion on the floor.
    Mr Speaker, Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi did indicate that out of about 505 secondary schools that we have in this country only 20 per cent produce students for our universities. I want to pose a question that all of us over here, which one of us will allow his or her ward to be placed in a school like Namon Senior Secondary School?
    Mr Kwaku Agyeman-Manu 12:45 p.m.
    On
    a point of order. Mr Speaker, I would want to crave your indulgence to request the contributor, my Hon Colleague to withdraw the statement that none of us would want our children to be in the schools he has mentioned. That statement is not correct and he should not mislead
    us with it.
    Mr Speaker, I crave your indulgence to request him to withdraw that statement.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not
    trying to -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, he is expressing his opinion, that is not binding; that is his personal opinion.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not trying to degrade the schools that -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    That is his
    personal opinion.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, but then to
    Dr Appiah-Kubi 12:45 p.m.
    On a point order.
    .Mr Speaker, I would like to associate myself with the demand of my Hon Colleague --with the request the Hon Member who last spoke to withdraw that statement because in a way -- he is denigrating the schools and we are not here to denigrate any school -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I have made a ruling that that is his personal opinion. It is not binding on anybody. It is his statement and it is attributed to him and him alone.
    Dr Appiah-Kubi 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, but it
    will not be fair --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, continue.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have
    already stated my reasons for mentioning the names of these schools. Schools like Mfantsipim, Wesley Girls, Prempeh College, Saint Augustines et cetera -- Look at the quality of students they normally come out with when it comes to the SHS examinations. What are the
    Dr Prempeh 12:45 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr
    Speaker, I would like my Hon Colleague to speak to what he knows. If he heard the debate so far in the House, Hon Members have talked about contact time, and if in his opinion, three years offer more contact time than four years, then he does not deserve to be here.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, you cannot rise on your feet and refer to another Hon Member of this House, based on an opinion he has expressed, that he does not deserve to be here. Kindly withdraw the statement Hon Member. I do not want this debate - it is a very important debate and I do not want it to degenerate. So, Hon Member, kindly withdraw the statement.
    Dr Prempeh 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I, Hon
    Member of Parliament for Menhyia, was expressing my opinion and because you have said so, I withdraw it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, withdraw the statement.
    Dr Prempeh 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do
    withdraw the statement.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Very well.
    Thank you very much.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the reasons
    are very, very simple. These schools that I have mentioned do not have the infrastructure.
    Mr K. T. Hammond 12:45 p.m.
    On a point
    of Order. Mr Speaker. I implore my Colleague opposite to be careful about what he is talking about and in the process, he should not mislead the House and he should not mislead Ghana. What we are talking about here is an increase by one year, from three years to four years. We are not talking about increment of four years. Increment of four years properly translated, means that somebody is asking for three years or four years on top of the three years; it makes it seven. It is only one year we are talking about, so he should be careful about the grammar and the English Language.
    Thank you.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I ignore him.
    Whoever recommended the four years for the SHS has really caused financial loss to the State. [Laughter.] But on the whole, we have to forgive them in the sense that the people of this country decided in December, 2008 to make a change for the better. And that is why they voted His Excellency President John Evans Atta Mills into office.
    On May, 27 to 28, 2009, when the report on the national forum on the duration of the senior high school programme in Ghana was mentioned, in response to a question posed by Prof. Addae-Mensah, which sought to find out why we would not allow the four-year system to end so as to get a basis for comparison, the President of Ashesi University said it was a very bad experiment to take an entire country
    on a path which had not been tested on a smaller scale as was done with the JSS system.
    Prof. Fobih 12:45 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, order! Let us listen to the Ranking Member, he has the floor.
    Prof. Fobih 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, when the three-year programme was launched in 1987, it had not been tested when it was implemented. So that reference is irrelevant.
    Mr Chaie 12:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I ignore
    him --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, you should mind your language.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, recently, we had a meeting with the stakeholders and CHASS, National Association of Graduate Teachers (NAGRAT), National Union of Ghana Students (NUGS) and Ghana National Union of Polytechnic Students (GNUPS) all in favour of the 3-year programme that the NDC as a Government is expounding [Interruption.] Yes. I am very, very sure. We spent about 70 to 90 per cent of the budget for Education on
    Prof Fobih 12:55 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I want to know what is CHASS?
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member what do you mean by CHASS?
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the problem with our education starts from the basic level. That is where our problem is. Currently, as we talk, His Excellency the President -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, they did not hear you well. They are interested in what CHASS means
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, Conference of Heads of Assisted Secondary Schools -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, kindly continue.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the problem of our education -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Members, I think we have had enough, so please, we have to - at least, the first two people who spoke from both sides devoted a lot of time to this debate. We have a lot of things on the Order Paper. As far as this debate is concerned, the battle lines have been drawn. So Hon Members, I have taken the mood of the House into account.
    Hon Member, conclude.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in conclusion, this is what the Government has done and is still doing. At the basic level, we realize that about 50 to 60 per cent of the students who normally do not qualify for the SHS
    Mr Joe Baidoe-Ansah 12:55 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member said that the Conference of Heads of Assisted Secondary Schools agreed to the 3-year term. Mr Speaker, I am afraid it is not right; it is not true. Before the conference, I think the Hon Minister for Education is here, he would bear with me that even before the national conference, they came out and said that they rather agreed to the 4-year and not the 3-year-- [Interruption.]
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    Mr Baidoe-Ansah 12:55 p.m.
    Well, the Hon Minister is here.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Minister for Education, can you assist us?
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, what the Hon Member of Parliament has just said is also not correct - [Interruption.] - CHASS's position -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Minister, if you say “is also not correct”, does it mean that what the Hon Member for Ablekuma Central also said is not correct?
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 12:55 p.m.
    Yes.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Then tell us the true position.
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 12:55 p.m.
    CHASS is ambivalent on this issue. They said it was Government policy, they had to implement it. But they are sure that if the requirements of the schools are provided,
    then the 3-year system will work better than it has done, and that was their latest submission when the stakeholders met a few days ago.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    I thank the Hon Minister for supporting my assertion -- [Interruption]
    Several Hon Members - rose -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, conclude. I told you to conclude.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Yes, I was concluding --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Members, Hon Joe Baidoe-Ansah raised an issue. He made reference to the Hon Minister for Education; we want the Hon Minister to assist the House in the debate. He got up and stated the position and sat down. He got up and before he could say a word, there is a point of order. Point of order against who? Hon Members - against him? Very well - Professor, let us hear you.
    Prof. Fobih 12:55 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, when your Committee met stakeholders to make representation, the CHASS representative strongly advocated for a 4-year programme. This is because he said, in the 3-year programme they only work for six (6) terms instead of nine (9), so it is wrong; it is not correct that they are for 3 years.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Member, kindly conclude.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Government has also put in place - you know we have a lot of schools that are under trees and this is where our problems are. These are the issues that we need to tackle as a nation. What the Government is doing currently, is putting up infrastructure in areas that we have schools under trees and these are the things that the Government needs to do to ensure that we have quality education -- [Interruption]
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:55 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member, in his effort to ‘partisanise' this debate, is misleading the House. The ‘schools under trees programme, if he cares to ask the Hon Minister for Education, was commenced by the previous Administration when I was at the helm of affairs as Minister for Education. He does not have to ‘partisanise' education - [Interruption]
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, even the current one that is being done, he has benefited from it -- [Interruption]
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    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Government has gone further to approve 15 per cent allowances for professional teachers - professional allowance to be paid this year -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member for Sekondi -
    Papa Owusu-Ankomah 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do not know, he says “I have benefited”, whether a school which was under trees being managed by me as a person - [Interruption] - has been built? I do not have any school under trees even in my constituency. So Mr Speaker, I do not know what he is talking about.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, the Member for Sekondi says he has no school under trees, so reference to him as benefiting from that programme, cannot be true.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, to conclude -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    Hon Member, please, he is saying that the allusion you made to him is not true.
    Mr Chaie 12:55 p.m.
    No, I am referring to his constituency - and I am very sure that when it comes to campaign time, he would use that as one of the things that as
    a Member of Parliament, he has been able to achieve --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:55 p.m.
    He is saying that he has no school under trees in his constituency.
    Mr Chaie 1:05 p.m.
    Maybe, he is not aware.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, please, I am not going to take that from you. If you cannot -
    Mr Chaie 1:05 p.m.
    I withdraw the statement,
    Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Very well;
    he has withdrawn it.
    Mr Chaie 1:05 p.m.
    Now, Mr Speaker,
    Government has also gone further - You know there was this issue of overloaded curriculum for the JSS and then the SSS level --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, I told you to conclude. Kindly conclude.
    Mr Chaie 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am
    concluding.
    As we speak now, those things have been done. So, clearly, I urge this House, there should be no partisan consideration here. We should all support the 3-year system that the Government intends to implement and I am very sure if we do that and the little resources that we have are channelled into improving the infrastructure in the schools that I have mentioned, you and I, our children will always like to attend these schools and that will improve upon the standard of teaching and learning in this country.
    I thank you, Mr Speaker.
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon

    Very well. If you insist on two, I will give you five minutes each, exactly five minutes, not more than five minutes. Hon Members, I will take the two from both sides but only five minutes --
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    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon K.T.
    Hammond, your name is not on the list; they have not submitted your name.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    You have five minutes.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Thank you.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to contribute to the debate on the floor.
    Before going further, I want to correct my Hon Colleague who spoke last. He said allowances for teachers had been paid. When were it paid? And what has it got to do? Is it arrears or what? My Hon Brother, let us get it right.
    Mr Speaker, before I say anything, I just want to say that the discussion on the floor is making me sick, sick as an Hon Member of Parliament, sick as a mother and sick as an educationist. As we are discussing this Motion, have we considered the
    Mr Joseph Z. Amenowode 1:05 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I am really surprised that my Hon Dear Sister is so sick. I wish the ambulance was brought to take her to the hospital otherwise, there might be a casualty on our hands since she is so sick. [Laughter.]
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I must say that what he has said has made me more sick but after the end of this debate, I will be well.
    Mr Speaker, what I am saying is that, what we are discussing here, have we listened to the voices of the beneficiaries, that is, the students, the pupils, the parents, the stakeholders and the others? We have not done that and then we are saying anything.
    Mr Speaker, we are saying that there are recommendations that were made by the Anamuah-Mensah's Committee. They talked about facilities that should be provided. Have these been done? The Government of today is one and a half years in the system and we want them to tell us what they have done so far.
    In terms of infrastructural development,
    what I know is that the former Government put certain infrastructural development in place. Immediately this Government assumed power, all were put on hold and they are now being razed down.
    Mr George K. Arthur 1:05 p.m.
    On a point
    of order. Mr Speaker, one and a half years now, in my constituency, the Government has put up six pavilions. These pavilions, one is in Gyeaboase, Gyawukrom, Nkwanta No. 1, Agona -- we have Koofiekrom and then Nkrankrom. So, for one and a half years now, this is what the Government has done with schools.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, at our last
    conference at Dodowa, I think all the things that were said were that, these have been initiated. The question is, which comes first? The students are still in the school. This programme is supposed to start this academic year. Are we able to use three months, four months to construct this infrastructure? Are we planning?
    Mr Fuseini 1:05 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr
    Speaker, just for the Hon Member to take on board. Indeed, we have considered that the four-year programme will start in three months' time. Indeed, contracts have been awarded for the construction of schools to house them. Indeed, we are aware, the Government is aware, that the snowball effect of increasing the educational system to four years will be made more manifest this year and next year, so she can be rest assured -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon Member, that is not a point of order.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Thank you very much,
    Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh 1:05 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, my point of order is that, she should not be asking questions which will remind all of us to rise on a point of order. She should make her contribution; that is the point of order I have against her.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we should know that there is an ongoing debate, so these questions are necessary to get things clarified --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, you have two minutes to go.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    All right. Mr Speaker,
    in talking about putting certain things that are needed to put these things right, what we are doing now is like an analogy - cooking a sumptuous meal; ingredients to prepare it are not there but we have set off to cook the meal. What sort of meal are we going to prepare?
    Mr Speaker, just yesterday, there was
    this caption in the papers, The Public Agenda, “Basic schools ailing. One teacher for 12 classes; No electricity for ICT lessons.” [Interruption.] Yes, it is for lack of these that we think that the four years is all right so that at least, with that length of time, we should be in a position to put some of these down on the ground, to let the children who are in these schools to benefit.
    Mr Speaker, we are talking about
    lack of teachers. There is a policy of the Untrained Teacher Diploma in Basic Education (UTTDBE) Programme. Now, I am told from my investigations that it has been stalled because our accounting cannot absorb them. Where are we going to get teachers to put into these classrooms that are yawning?
    Mr Speaker, I think that -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, conclude.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I will
    conclude.
    I think that we should not haste to do things that would mar the education of our children. At times, it makes people
    Mr Amenowode 1:05 p.m.
    On a point of
    order. Mr Speaker, I just want to bring a correction to my dear Hon Sister. The UTTTDBE programme is ongoing. The students are just preparing to go to school in my region, so I do not know where she got that piece of information from.
    Ms Boateng 1:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not
    Mr J. B. Aidoo 1:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am on my feet on a point of elucidation. Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister for Education was on the floor of this House, answering a Question to the state of teachers in this country. Mr Speaker, it came out clearly that for this year, for the whole country, we needed 24,000 teachers to fill vacancies and there was no way this country can provide that 24,000 teachers. I want everybody to take this on board and that is what the Hon Member on the floor was trying to drive home . We already lack 24,000 teachers for the whole country for basic education and it is a major problem.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:15 p.m.
    Hon Minister, they made reference to you.
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 1:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Member who attempted to protect the statement made by the Hon Member of Parliament for New Juaben South, (Ms Beatrice B. Boateng), Hon Aidoo misled the House. The Hon Member for New Juaben South was alluding to the discontinuation of untrained teachers course. I had wanted to get up at once to tell her that the UTTDBE programme is ongoing and I said it on the floor of this House only last week and it is in the Hansard.
    So I thought the Hon Member was going to support what the Hon Minister from the Volta Region (Mr Joseph Amenowode) said. Now, he has even worsened the situation by saying that the Hon Minister said there was no way in which that problem of deficit in teachers could be solved.
    I gave a list of steps being taken by the Ministry, including the UTTDBE and then the Community Education Teaching Assistance (CETA) as a means of getting pupils into the classrooms. If a newspaper is reporting that in an area, there is only one teacher in the school, it is true. That is the problem we want to solve.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:15 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, please, kindly conclude.
    Ms Boateng 1:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not too sure that three months could be used to train these teachers to let them fit into the classrooms which is going to start the three- year in September.
    Mr Speaker, we all know the importance guidance and counsel play in our school system -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:15 p.m.
    Hon Member, conclude.
    Ms Boateng 1:15 p.m.
    Thank you. For now we have less than 30 per cent of junior high schools that have guidance and counselling teachers while only about 20 per cent senior high school (SHS) students have guidance and counsel teachers. How will they be helped to do this?
    On this note, Mr Speaker, I want to end and ask all my Hon Members, especially those of us who have our constituencies being rural in nature; that we should tread cautiously in this debate because they should remember that their children or our children in our constituencies also need better education and if we do not tread cautiously and we jump into the

    three years that we are advocating, I bet all of us that posterity will not forgive us, our children will not have a place and we will not have a better future.

    We should reconsider and revert to the four years before all things are set, before we start with the three years, if need be.
    Minister for Roads and Highways (Mr Joe K. Gidisu)(MP) 1:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I will be very brief in trying to drive home a few major points that need consideration.
    Mr Speaker, what we are debating this morning -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:15 p.m.
    You have only five minutes.
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 1:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, what we are debating this morning is part of the ongoing educational reforms. Mr Speaker, if you look at the history of development of education in this country, we have read about various attempts to reform education in this country. The underpinning principle that has to be driven home forcefully, is the political will and commitment which will materialise into the implementation of a meaningful educational reform.
    Mr Speaker, we have a proverb in our language that says when you want to put a load on the head of a person, you look at the calf of the person whether he can stand firm to carry that load. In all these circumstances, those factors that we have talked about, that hinge on a meaningful quality education for the country, the driving force is the political commitment and the political will.
    Mr Speaker, it was not until the predecessor Government of the present Government, that the PNDC took the bull by the horn in 1987 to begin the educational reforms. Despite the challenges of that time, they had the drive and the fortitude
    to push it to the level that we have all witnessed in this country.
    Mr Speaker, I just want to say that Hon Members who spoke earlier have referred to the submission by the very Committee set up by the previous Government to look at the totality of education, including the duration for the SHS programme. Mr Speaker, other Hon Members who spoke, I will not belabour the point that that Committee was conclusive on the maintenance of the programme.
    However, in the wisdom of the previous Government, they thought they could push it to the four years with the intention of setting right those challenges that have been identified.
    Unfortunately, Mr Speaker, I would refer to the period between 2001 and 2008 as the missing link in the fortitude of effective implementation in terms of Government's commitments towards those things that will push education to the level that one would have expected they aimed at.
    Why am I saying this? Mr Speaker we identified infrastructure as a major setback to the educational reforms and I listened vividly to the Hon Colleague for Assin South who came out with statistical figures to support the top schools from which our graduates enter the higher institutions.
    Prof. Fobih 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the point I am making is the fortitude -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:25 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, you have one minute to conclude.
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the fortitude to implement the programme through the allocation of resources and was what was missing.
    Mr Speaker, I want to say that if you look at the present Government's commitment towards, for example, the infrastructure that we have come to -- even if we inherited it from the previous Government, the difference is the fortitude with which resources are being allocated towards the construction of those infrastructure and the revamping of the whole educational set-up, not only in a sector, not only in a region but throughout the whole country.
    Mr Speaker, one other point I want to drive home, we should not lose sight of the fact that the current -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:25 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, kindly wind up. Your time is up.
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the note on which I want to wind up is that the amendment we are seeking - [Interruption.]
    Prof. Fobih 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point of order. Mr Speaker, I hesitate to think why some people think that when a government gives a contract for a school infrastructure, that project is finished within the same time, when we know very well that the contract work is done in phases and each phase is funded. So it is possible that some of the projects that the NPP Government gave even in 2008 or even 2007, maybe, for some technical problems, delays and so on, could be completed in their time and that is exactly what they are doing. So why does he claim that when in actual fact when they came in 2009, there was no work, they suspended everything.
    Mr Speaker, I think people should be put right that even in their time when the first phase of NDC left, there were some unfinished projects that we came to finish. So it is a normal thing that projects normally take some time to complete.
    Mr J. K. Gidisu 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, is the funding commitment that I am talking about.
    Mr Speaker, to wind up, I want to drive home the point and to remind the House that we are not limiting ourselves to the duration. As part of the Amendment Bill, we are saying that there is the need for more serious attention to be given to technical, vocational, business and agriculture education or apprenticeship training of not less than one year. This is to take care of those marginalised groups that we are talking about.
    Mr Speaker, we have demonstrated, this Government has demonstrated through this by revamping some major technical schools in this country. So, I want to say that there is the need for us to give this amendment the needed support so that at the end of the day, we would be

    supporting a worthy cause which would improve the quality of education in the country.

    With these comments, I want to urge Hon Colleagues to support the Motion.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Samuel K. Amoako (NPP - Akim Abuakwa North) 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to contribute to the debate on this amendment on the Education Bill.
    Mr Speaker, when this Committee met on the amendment, we started our discussion based on the memorandum submitted by the Minister for Education. And in passing my comment, I commended the Hon Minister for Education for his memorandum. I commended him because he was very frank and tacit in the memorandum he submitted. He said in paragraph 3 of page 1, and I beg to quote:
    “The mainstreaming of the two years of kindergarten as an integral part of basic education, coupled with improved facilities at the basic level, will be a positive effect ….”
    Not that they are a positive effect.
    Secondly, in paragraph 5, he said:
    “Serious efforts are being made…”
    Not that they have been made. Again, on page 2, in paragraph 3, he said primary and senior school level teachers will be strengthened and are being strengthened with the provision of qualified teachers.
    Mr Emmanuel A. Buah 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point of order. Mr Speaker, I think the Hon Member on the floor is completely misleading the House. What we are discussing today is about this new educational system and now, it is going to be implemented. So his making reference to things being strengthened or being
    implemented, that is exactly what we are doing and that is exactly what the Ministry of Education is doing. So, I am not sure of the point he is trying to make.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the Hon Member does not get it. I am buttressing my argument with the fact that those conditions that were to be met before the introduction of the 3-year system, have not been met. That is the point. They are being worked on, it is an ongoing process, but they have not been met and they have to be met, according to the Anamuah-Mensah Committee's recommendation. These conditions have to be met before we revert to the 3-year system. That is the argument -- [Interruptions.]
    Alhaji Amadu B. Sorogho 1:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on a point of order. Mr Speaker, I did not want to interrupt but he has just misled the House. I do not know whether he was a little confused and he could not see his way clear. He said that “conditions were to be met before the introduction of the 3-year system.”
    Mr Speaker, that is not true. The 3-year system was in place; there was nothing like that before the introduction of a 3-year system. It is in place and he is saying that before it can still continue -- not that the re-introduction of a 3-year system -- I just want him to take it on board. He is my brother; please, he should not mislead the House.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if the Hon Member does not know, what we have in place now, is the 4-year system. And you are bringing an
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.


    Mr Speaker, what I was saying is that the amendment is what we are looking at. The original enactment submitted by the Government was saying that the second cycle level of education shall consist of not less than three years. What we have in place now, is not less than three years. We have four years, it is not less than three years. So, where is the argument? But be that as it may, I think the Government is trying to run away from its obligations and responsibilities.

    Let me give you a few quotations. In the Budget Statement of the Government in 2009, page 152, and Mr Speaker, with your permission, I quote -

    “The Minis t ry wi l l provide special training for pre-school and kindergarten teachers.”

    This has not been done.

    Having taught in several schools, I was going to try to give - [An Hon Member : In America] - Yes, specifically in America - [Laughter.] -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Hon Member, you have two minutes to conclude.
    Prof (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I wanted to give the international perspective of this whole thing. When you go to America, the system in place-- [Interruption.]
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 1:35 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Member of Parliament, Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako is misleading the House. We are training more and more kindergarten staff -- attendants, caretakers and so on. We are promoting a large programme of this training of caregivers and attendants in three regions, starting from the Ashanti
    Region and it is a success.
    The Israeli delegation will arrive very soon to assess the programme and extend it to the Central Region and then to other regions in the country. So it is not true that the promise made by Government is not being fulfilled.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank the Hon Minister for his information. It appears to me he is trying to put the cart before the horse. You train teachers to be in place before you implement the policy, not the other way round.
    Mr Fuseini 1:35 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr Speaker, the Hon Professor is misleading himself and the whole public. He says that the amendment that we are seeking to make is not less than three years and that the present law is not less than three years.
    You see, the misinformation is that the amendment seeks to put the minimum number of years that you can stay in secondary school at three years, whereas the present excludes three years. This amendment is intended to bring the minimum number of years you will stay in school to three years.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Hon Members, we are at the Second Reading of the Bill and at the Second Reading we take into account the Committee's Report.
    I believe that the Committee is proposing an amendment to some of those

    things in the Memorandum.

    Hon Professor?
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker -- [Interruption.]
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Hon (Dr) Akoto Osei, do you have a point of order?
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, when my dear Deputy Minister was speaking, he referred to a certain Professor who was on the floor -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Prof. (Emeritus)--
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:35 p.m.
    Yes, yes, so he should correct himself - [An Hon Member - He worked for it.]
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Member, you must always remember the “Emeritus”. [Laughter.]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Hon Member, conclude.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, now my impression is that the Government is trying to run away from its responsibilities because they are citing high cost of the fourth year of schooling. Since when did we sacrifice efficiency and excellence for mediocrity? Since when? Since we came to power. [Interruptions] We want quality, excellence, not just reducing cost -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Hon Member, conclude, your time is up.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, let me conclude by saying that my Colleague Prof. Ameyaw-Akumfi said: “this is a recipe for disaster”. I am also
    going to add that this amendment is not only for chaos or disaster but also a recipe for mediocrity --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    All right, Hon Member, you have made your point.
    Prof. (Emeritus) Amoako 1:35 p.m.
    Finally, Mr Speaker, I want to draw the Government's attention to a very simple social fact.
    Currently, there is massive youth unemployment. If you shorten the school year, it is further going to exacerbate the situation. More youths are going to be put on the streets and there will be more unemployment. This is the time you have to even -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:35 p.m.
    Hon Muntaka, you have the floor -- Five minutes, strictly. I want to put the Question.
    Alhaj i Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka (NDC -- Asawase): Mr Speaker, I rise to support the Motion before this House for the amendment of the Education Bill.
    Mr Speaker, in doing this, I would want to urge that we try as much as possible to remove emotions out of the contributions that we are making. We need to have the nation at heart and we need to be able to make our arguments for or against in a manner that at the end of the day, will put this country in the right place.
    Mr Speaker, if you look at the events that led to the set up of this Anamuah- Mensah Committee in 2002, specifically, January 4th, 2002. Mr Speaker, the then Administration put up 30 intellectuals from all sorts of backgrounds with regard to education. Mr Speaker, 30 of them, we all believe they were very learned, we believe that they were very knowledgeable and they were very experienced, that was why we assembled them to look at this issue.
    Mr Speaker, after they had deliberated even though they were given four months, yes, they acknowledged they could not
    Dr A. A. Osei 1:45 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr
    Speaker, my good Friend and Brother just showed us a piece of paper and said “This is the White Paper”. It is a piece of paper; it is not the White Paper. He should have said “extracts”.
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on

    But Mr Speaker, on a more serious

    note, I quoted the page. I said page 51, mine is in pieces -- I just took the piece. But if you look at it, page 51 is there, precisely. And I quoted the paragraph, I said 32.9. So, I was very specific as to what I was quoting.

    Mr Speaker, it is clearly showing to all

    of us as people that since 2003, we have had a strategic plan that was supposed to take care of all the challenges. Why are we in 2010 faced with a situation where people are saying that now is time to go to form four and there are no classrooms? The thing is about our commitment as a country. As a country -
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    As a country, we
    must be committed. We should have at the back of our minds that -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, kindly conclude.
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, we
    Prof. Fobih 1:45 p.m.
    On a point of order. Mr
    Speaker, the Hon Member is misleading this House. The Act empowering Government to fully implement the content of the reform was passed in

    November, 2008, just about one or two months for the change over. So, the question he is posing, he should be the right person to answer. When you took over and this thing was there to be implemented by the Government, what did you do yourself?
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon
    Ranking Member is just re-echoing what I was saying about lack of commitment. If you had a report in 2002, you waited till 2008 before you could have the amendments to the Bill. You need to ask yourself, how committed were you to the cause? This is because in 2003, you started putting it into your strategic plan; 2010, you are confronted with the real issues --
    Mr Speaker, I am saying that we must
    begin to have performance budgeting in this country. Currently, the Government is talking about schools under trees. We know their number. We must say, each year, we will do hundred, this is the money involved and the money must be released. The year after, we need to check, have all the hundred been done? If we do not have this simple commitment to what we say, it does not matter whether we do ten years or fifteen years.
    Mr Speaker, the issue about -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon Member, conclude.
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the issue about the challenges confronting education is not an event; it is a process. Just like we would remember, when this programme started, the universities would allow you to write entrance examinations. Later, they realised that the capacities were being built and they removed it. It is a process; it is not an event. That not withstanding, Mr Speaker, we belong to an international community -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Member, your last sentence.
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    I cannot imagine you -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Your last sentence. [Laughter.]
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I cannot imagine you telling our students that a child in Sierra Leone is more brilliant than a Ghanaian child, therefore, he should do it three years and then you will do it four years. That means there is something lacking, which we must all do.
    Mr Speaker, what this Bill , in conclusion, seeks to do is that it wants to bring the minimum to three years - listen, “not less than three years.” So, it gives room for private -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon Member, I said conclude.
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am concluding by saying that what we are amending is going to enable - very good schools can choose to do it three years. Schools that have genuine concerns or difficulties can choose to do it otherwise. This is because we are saying “not less than three years.” But in the case of the four years, whether you like it - you could be a private institution with all the facilities, you must do four years. And I do not think this is proper.
    Mr Speaker, lastly -
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon Member, please.
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, lastly, if you look at the placement, we must as a country begin to place students in secondary school in time. This is part of the problem. It is a computerised system. Why is it that we are not able to place them
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon Member, would you respect the Chair?
    Alhaji Muntaka 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with the greatest respect to the Chair, I take my seat, with the greatest respect that I have for you.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Minister, wind up if you want to, otherwise, I would put the Question. Do you intend winding up?
    Mr Tettey-Enyo 1:45 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, if you would allow me just one second. I would like to thank Hon Members of Parliament for their contributions to the Motion on the floor.
    It is clear that what we need to improve the system at both the senior high school and the junior high school levels are issues like inadequate teaching and learning facilities, poor infrastructural facilities, low number of well-motivated and committed teachers, absence of proper guidance and counselling services, poor management and supervision and inadequately prepared JHS leavers.
    So, we have all agreed that we should harness our scarce resources to strengthen the system in these areas. It is not a matter of four years, five years, two years or three years. We have emphasised the fact that in an age of ICT, we could do this thing in a shorter time than we are putting into an Act. But we want to put an amendment into the Act and make that Act last for this country. So that we know that this is the structure of the educational system for good reference.
    We have taken note of all the suggestions, we have already started implementing and we know that with the provision of adequate resources, the three-year senior high school programme will be a better choice. As for the majority of students and schools, we are not doing our duty by -- the answer is that we do not have enough resources and we must manage the resources in order to improve upon the system.
    I thank all Hon Members of Parliament for their contributions.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:45 p.m.
    Hon
    Members, that brings us to the end of the debate.
    Question put and motion agreed to.
    The Education (Amendment) Bill,
    2010 was accordingly read a Second time.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:55 p.m.
    Hon Majority Leader, I have received a special application from the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee to take his Report. There are a number of Reports standing in the name of the Public Accounts Committee. I do not know what your pleasure is. Page 23 of the Order Paper.
    Hon Members, I refer you to Standing Order 40 (3) and direct that having regard to the state of the business, we Sit outside the prescribed period.
    Mr Avoka 1:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, unfortunately, the Chairman of the Committee did not pass his request through me; besides, he did not also lobby me. But in view of your intervention, I yield and we can take Motion number 9 on the Order Paper, at page 23.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:55 p.m.
    Motion number 9 at page 23.
    Hon Members, at this stage, I would let the Hon Second Deputy Speaker take
    the Chair.
    1.57 p.m. -- [MR SECOND DEPUTY
    MOTIONS 1:55 p.m.

    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Albert Kan-Dapaah) 1:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Performance Audit Report of the Auditor- General on the management of Wetlands (Ramsar Sites) in Ghana.
    1.0 Introduction
    The above Performance Audit Report was laid in the House on Wednesday, 2nd December, 2009 in accordance with article 184 of the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
    This Audit Report was referred to the Public Accounts Committee in accordance with Standing Order 165 for examination and report.
    To consider this Report, the Committee met with the Chief Director of the Ministry of Lands and Natural Resources, Mr Frank Sofo, the Executive Director of the Forestry Commission, Nana Kofi Adu Nsiah, the technical team from the Ministry of Lands and Natural Resources and the Ghana Audit Service and report as follows:
    2.0 References
    The Committee referred to the following relevant documents:-
    1. The 1992 Constitution;
    2. The Standing Orders of the
    House;
    3. We t l a n d M a n a g e m e n t Regulation, LI 1659
    3.0 Background
    Wetlands provide habitats suitable for the survival of countless species of plants and animals. However, wetlands in Ghana are under threat and urgent attention has to be given, if they are to be saved for posterity. Ghana was the 46th nation to ratify the Convention on Wetlands of International Importance in 1988. With this, Ghana committed herself to ensuring and promoting sustainable and wise use of her wetlands. Wildlife Division (WD) of the Forestry Commission is mandated to oversee the management of wetlands.
    Wildlife Division has since 1988 made efforts to conserve wetlands in the country. In 1993, WD embarked on the Coastal Wetland Management Project (CWMP) and put in place measures to ensure the sustainability of the five Coastal Wetlands. The Wetland Management Regulation, L.I. 1659, was instituted during the CWMP. In addition, the Ministry of Lands and Natural Resources developed a National Management Strategy to save wetlands from deteriorating.
    The audit was conducted to find out how well Ghana's wetlands were being managed by the Wildlife Division of the Ministry of Lands and Natural Resources.
    4.0 Presentation on Wetlands (Ramsar Sites)
    4.1 Ramsar Convention
    In order to understand what Ramsar Sites (Wetlands) are about, the Committee invited Prof. Yaa Ntimoa Baidu of the University of Ghana, Legon, an expert in the field of wetlands management, who explained Ramsar Sites and its Convention
    Mr George K. Arthur (NDC - Amenfi Central) 2:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second this Motion.
    As the Chairman said, there are a number of people who are not even aware of what Ramsar sites are. This current demolition exercise brought to our notice that some people even challenged why the Government should declare a place as a Ramsar site after it had allowed them to put up their structures and then later to come and say that that place is a Ramsar site.
    Even the Committee -- befoere we met some Hon Members did not even know much about these sites until the specialists gave us much information on the need to reserve some of our lands as Ramsar sites.But what we discovered was that it was not regionally balanced because they took about five areas and some regions, and we do not even have one area that is declared as Ramsar site. When you go to Takoradi, we have Nzulezu, which is popularly known to most people and even as a tourist centre and that place, we thought could have even been declared as one of the Ramsar sites.
    From WAMCO, that is, Takoradi to the Takoradi Polytechnic, there is a place which I think could be even reserved as a Ramsar site.We brought all these things out but it seems the programme just started, it has not lasted for so long. They are now considering other areas to be declared as Ramsar sites.
    I think we need to come to the urban areas where most people trespass on these Ramsar Sites and also to erect sign posts
    Mr George K. Arthur (NDC - Amenfi Central) 2:05 p.m.


    or to give more information on the need to reserve such areas as Ramsar sites. What came out when we met was that some of these reserved areas did not have any indication there to let the people know that that place had been reserved.
    rose
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    Hon
    K. T. Hammond, do you rise on a point of order?
    MrHammond 2:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I do. Mr Speaker, I was wondering if he properly caught your eye because of his attire. Today is not a Friday; the young man -
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    Hon Member, the Hon Member is not a “He”, if you would properly address him.
    Mr Hammond 2:05 p.m.
    I did say the “Hon
    Member”.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    No,
    you did say “He”, which I would want us to avoid.
    Mr Hammond 2:05 p.m.
    All right. Mr Speaker,
    I am not so sure whether the Hon Member caught your eye, in view of the attire he is wearing.
    Mr Speaker, today is not a Friday. Accordingly, I am not so sure if he is entitled to dress like this to come to this House. He is completely naked and I think to preserve the dignity of the House, Mr Speaker may ask him to leave the House dishonourably.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    Hon
    Majority Leader, you may want to perhaps, consult with the Hon Member and perhaps, advise accordingly.
    Mr Pelpuo 2:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that the Hon Member has a case, except that he is in midstream of presentation which is beneficial to all of us. If we can allow him to do that presentation and I am very sure the Hon Member himself and most Hon Members of Parliament today will want to wear a shirt, which is unacceptable.
    Mr Speaker, it is an opportunity for you to now make a ruling after this particular incident. But I want to apply to you to allow him to conclude what he is presenting.
    Thank you very much.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    Hon
    K. T. Hammond, are you in a charitable mood, after hearing the Deputy Majority Leader?
    Mr Hammond 2:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, he has
    always been so sensible, so calm, and so beautiful in his approach in this House. I commend him for the sober reflection and the analysis explained. Mr Speaker, I yield to all that he has said.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    Thank
    you very much, Hon Member for being so charitable.
    I think the dignity of the House is our collective responsibility and Hon Members will definitely remember that we are enjoined to dress formally to Parliament. Formal dressing includes western, oriental, and traditional and no inappropriate mix-ups will help the dignity of the House.
    Hon Member, you may take notice and continue with your presentation.
    Mr G. K. Arthur 2:05 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr
    Speaker and I thank you for your ruling. Mr Speaker, I do not want to comment on the dress again because you have given a ruling --
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:05 p.m.
    Hon Member, you are not in a position to make any such comment on that matter, otherwise, you will be compelling me to make a ruling.
    Mr G. K. Arthur 2:05 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, the trespassing of these Ramsar sites has so many effects on the society. One, they block water ways and as more people move to these Ramsar sites, deposits, that is, wastes which they deposit also block these water ways. So, in times of rain and natural disasters, the effects on the society and the people are very, very high as what happened just recently where lives were lost.
    With these few words, Mr Speaker, I support the motion.
    Question proposed.
    Mr David Oppon-Kusi (NPP - Ofoase- Ayirebi) 2:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, before I make the contribution, I would want to reiterate some points made early on, on how this House should treat the reports of the Public Accounts Committee.
    Mr Speaker, most of our sittings are in public and they do generate a lot of excitement from the media and the public. But what we do is to only bring our reports to the plenary here. The realisation is that after all the excitements generated there, when we come here, the report are carried out as business as usual and they do not generate the kind of interest that is expected to be generated because this is sensitive and it is on public accounts.
    So, it is my hope that this House will, like an Hon Member did suggest the last time, set aside special days when we will consider the reports of the Public Accounts Committee, so that we can bring to bear on the debate here all the importance that we attach to the Public Accounts Committee's reports.
    Mr Speaker, on the issue of the Ramsar
    sites, I find it sad that this country has a rather poor approach to the management of its most important assets, which are natural resources-- land and other resources in and below the land. Mr Speaker, Ramsar sites are not something strange. It is only an adoption by the United Nations that certain wetlands are of national or international importance.
    But quite apart from that, we do know that wetlands, big or small in this country are of national importance. And even without the intervention of the United Nations, we as a country should find ways to properly manage our natural resources. If it does happen that until a funding agency comes in and when that funding agency leaves, we do not continue to do what somebody has proposed, we do to our own natural resources, it is a sad day.
    Mr Speaker, quite apart from the ones we know, Weija and the other popular ones, there are a lot of wetlands here that are being mismanaged to the extent that even in our villages, the preferred dumping sites for refuse are wetlands. Back in the old days, wetlands in our villages and towns were the direct responsibility of the chiefs because we knew that they were very, very important, even far more important than dry land.
    The wetlands are the transition between dry land and our natural water reserves. They form an ecosystem which is very important to our continuing survival as a people. We do not need somebody to come out and bring us money before we do realise that we need to manage our wetlands properly.
    Today, when you go to the Weija wetlands, just behind the Mallam Market, it is an eyesore. Again, the rate at which people are rushing just to fill wetlands so that they can build, is unprecedented. I think the time has come, Mr Speaker, when this Parliament must impress upon the Executive, to have a special body to
    take care of our wetlands because if you put them together, they form almost a quarter of our natural resource base in this country.
    So, to allow the WD, which apart from the wetlands, has also the mandate to look at our forests and then our other wildlife, is to belittle the problem facing us. The fact really is that, there is very little attention paid to that aspect of their work. WD is more interested in the forest resources and the wildlife resources and they pay very little attention to wetlands. Otherwise, I cannot see a situation where even District Assemblies have chosen to use wetlands as their dumping ground for refuse. I think this country must wake up.
    When you travel round the country, you can only be sad about the sort of things you see and then cry for generations yet unborn. What are we leaving for them? It is about time we had stringent laws to make sure that nobody can dump in wetlands. People are building very close to rivers and water bodies and we all sit down, even including District Assemblies who have the responsibility to manage these resources.
    Mr Speaker, I think we need to have a better forum or a higher forum to press this home, otherwise, the future of this country, the future of our modern generation is at risk. We are not paying enough attention to wetlands.
    Mr Speaker, with this, I support the Motion.

    Deputy Minister for Lands and Natural Resources (Henry F. Kamel) (MP): Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion.

    I would like to start by thanking the Public Accounts Committee, which is your committee for the good work that they have done. If one goes through the recommendations, one would realise that they have deliberated very extensively on
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:15 p.m.
    Thank
    you very much, Hon Member.
    Prof. Christopher Ameyaw-Akumfi
    (NPP - Techiman North): Mr Speaker, I thank you. I wish I had been given the opportunity before the Hon Minister because I was going to touch on a few issues concerning wetlands and specifically those that have been labelled as Ramsar sites.
    Mr Speaker, it is regrettable that when
    issues of this nature come out in the House, we see a mere emptiness. When people are provided an opportunity to be educated on issues -- [Laughter] - they just disappear. I am sure, just as the Committee is pointing out the fact that about 90 per cent of them did not even know what a Ramsar site was, if we took a count in the House here, with due respect, even to the Speakers, many of us will claim ignorance of what we mean by Ramsar sites. That is regrettable because it is a major ecological issue.
    Our wetlands are disappearing because wetlands by definition simply admit inflows from outline and very often they tend to be quite close to the oceans. One that comes to mind is the one just after Winneba Junction. There, there is a billboard indicating it but in other places, we do not have that. We are throwing the management, monitoring to our District Assemblies - there, you even have the higher level of ignorance. So leaving our Assemblies to take care of these, is actually doing nothing.
    I will suggest as the Committee is saying that we try to empower the agency that is involved in monitoring of these sites, to do their job because in several places, these sites become tourist attractions. I am sure Prof. Baidu did educate Hon Members on the attraction to birds that are foreign, they move out in winter and try and locate themselves here and go back. Some of these species are quite rare and people do

    follow them all the way from Europe into the tropics to find out precisely where they are, and they also give us an opportunity for serious research because when they come here, there is mating. We observe mating behaviour, sometimes if they are birds, we have the eggs and so on, over there. They are major sites for studies.

    I think that in this country, we have not

    been paying considerable attention to these sites and I hope that the recommendations of the Committee would be taken up seriously so that we preserve our wetlands, especially those that have been labelled as Ramsar sites. I hope that the Ministry would find a way of getting the WD to educate the general public on Ramsar sites and wetlands in general.
    Mrs Gifty E. Kusi (NPP 2:15 p.m.
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    Nsuaem): Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion on the floor.

    Mr Speaker, looking at page 7 of

    the Committee's recommendations, the recommendations are well thought and enumerated but they are appealing to the Hon Minister for Lands and Natural Resources.

    Mr Speaker, I am wondering the role that the Ministry of Environment, Science and Technology plays in this. Because most of the time there are environmental issues involved and I just want to find out if the Ministry is liaising with the Ministry of Environment, Science and Technology to ensure that most of these places are safe and human beings living around these areas may not catch the diseases associated with wetlands that are not well kept.

    Mr. Speaker, I just want to say that it is not enough to address the Ministry of Lands and Natural Resources but I think the Ministry of Environment, Science and Technology should be taken on board for these issues to be ironed out.

    With this short intervention, I support

    the Motion.
    Mr Joseph Osei 12:25 p.m.
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    Bekwai): Mr Speaker, Hon Members who have spoken are all lamenting the loss of our wetlands. But in my view, our lamentation is very typical. We never take legal steps to protect any of environmental sites, anything that relates to the environment. Either we make laws we do not implement or we do not make any at all.

    Looking at the Report, shows that we declare certain areas as wetlands and we are appealing to people to respect them as such. But Mr Speaker, I think that is not enough. The areas we declare as wetlands are otherwise the property of some people. If we want them to remain as wetlands, then we must take the next step and acquire them properly as a country and then we can take legal steps to protect them.

    But generally, as a country, we allow all kinds of encroachment at all levels. Proposed sites for State properties, even roads, metropolitan and urban roads are built upon. These lamentations are the same that we do all across.

    I think it is time the Executive took steps, very serious steps in enforcing the laws of the land. I am always for brutal enforcement of the laws. That is the only way we can ensure a culture of voluntary obeisance to the laws of the land. Wetlands are very important, the zoologists and the others have talked about the importance to us as a country, but they will not be protected unless we take the legal steps and we are serious to implement the legal regime that protects them.

    Mr Speaker, that is my contribution.

    I thank you very much.
    Minister for Lands and Natural Resources (Alhaji Collins Dauda) (MP) 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, first of all, I wish to thank my Hon Colleagues who have made contributions to this Motion, particularly with regard to how best we can manage our wetlands in the country.
    Importantly, is the point made by the last Hon Member who contributed regarding land ownership and how these sites are acquired. What Government has done is to declare some sites, Ramsar sites under Legislative Instruments but no efforts have been made to acquire the sites and therefore, the landowners clearly would have a stake in the management of these sites.
    So, if they decide to manage, help me in managing these sites other than what you propose, that creates a problem, and that is what has resulted in the number of encroachments on our Ramsar sites. The recent one that everybody in this House knows about, is the one at Sakumo, where some demolition exercises were carried out by the Tema Municipal Assembly, which raised a lot of public attention particularly in this House.
    Because we have not acquired these sites, landowners particularly in the urban areas -- in Accra for instance, are beginning to sell out these lands and we are helpless in asking them not to do so.
    The only thing we will do is probably, occasionally going out to carry out demolition exercises as we did in the Sakumo Ramsar Site.
    I agree with him that maybe, we need to take one step forward by acquiring these sites and therefore having the capacity and the strength to be able to protect them than we have been doing over the years.
    While I concede that we need to take that step, I still would want to say that the way to protect a natural resource is to go for the collaborative effort, that is, asking all stakeholders involved to participate in the management of such a resource. The Ramsar sites are not different from other resources. We need the collaboration of the landowners, the District Assemblies and the Ministry of
    Environment, Science and Technology in protecting and managing these sites. If we do not get the collaboration of these stakeholders, the management of our wetlands would be very, very difficult for us, particularly in an area where there is much indiscipline in this country.
    In view of the interest shown by Hon Members on this subject, I would crave your indulgence and come by way of a Statement to brief this House very well on how we propose to deal with these issues and take a lot of suggestions on board, that will help us provide a strategic plan of managing our wetlands in the country.
    I thank you very much for this opportunity, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Mathias K. Ntow (NDC - Aowin) 12:25 p.m.
    Thank you very much Mr Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to the Motion on the floor.
    As somebody who was brought up in the forest area, you look round and become very, very much saddened by the fact that some Ghanaians do not see the importance of Ramsar sites, more specially with the forest reserves that we have in this country. I am glad the Hon Minister for Lands and Natural Resources is also here. If you happen to be in my constituency in the Western Region, one will discover that a lot of the lands that were reserved some years ago are now being depleted completely.
    So, I do not know what will happen to us in the near future because it is always said that when the last tree dies, the last man dies. And people are breaking the laws of this country with impunity. Excuse me, Mr Speaker, the so- called big men in this country are the brains behind the encroachment on these important sites in this country.
    If you indeed, investigate, you will find that there is somebody who is in
    Mr Mathias K. Ntow (NDC - Aowin) 12:25 p.m.


    government -- I am not talking of the NDC Government alone, previous governments, right from the time of independence to this time -- So, I think laws are made to be obeyed to ensure that good things in this country or natural resources in this country are protected.

    I would like to suggest to this Honourable House that stringent measures should be taken against those who vehemently and knowingly encroach these sites that have been preserved over these years. Very soon, what will happen is that all these important sites, Ramsar sites and the forest reserves and those areas will no more be there, and where would we be heading towards?

    Let me also used the opportunity to thank the Committee for that great work done and it is my firm belief that laws that are made to protect these sites would be reinforced to ensure that they are used to prevent people from further encroaching and destroying these Ramsar sites.

    Thank you very much for the opportunity.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 12:25 p.m.
    Hon Chairman, would you want to conclude?
    Mr Kan-Dapaah 12:25 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I just
    want to thank Hon Members for the very, very useful contributions and interventions that they have made. I would also want to reiterate a point that was made by an Hon Member with regard to the importance of the Auditor-General's Report once they are presented to the House.
    A major responsibility is placed on Parliament in the budget cycle. Mr Speaker, the budget cycle is in four phases. There is the drafting phase where the Executive puts together the Budget documents. Then there is the second phase which is the legislation phase when the budget estimates and the budget documents are approved by this House.
    The third phase is the implementation where monies are released to the MDAs and other government institutions. The last phase is the auditing phase, where the Auditor-General reports that monies that were given to the MDAs have been properly accounted for and that beyond that there was value for money.
    It is important that Parliament takes this oversight function very seriously and when it comes to discussing audit reports, the attendance can be better than what we have now.
    This afternoon, we have had the pleasure of listening to the Report on Ramsar sites and our attention has been drawn to the importance of it. I hope that we will be able to go beyond the comments that have been made here and get the Government to act by giving sufficient funding to the agencies involved so that we can protect our wetlands.
    Mr Speaker, I want to thank Hon Members who intervened and made very useful contributions.
    Thank you.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:35 p.m.
    Thank you very much, Hon Chairman.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    That this House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Performance Audit Report of the Auditor-General on the Management of Wetlands (Ramsar Sites) in Ghana.
    Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor-General on IT Mapping
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Albert Kan-Dapaah) 2:35 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, that this House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor-General on IT Mapping Exercise at Key MDAs, MMDAs and Educational Institutions between October, 2006 and March 2007.
    1.0 Introduction
    The above Audit Report was laid in the House on Wednesday 2nd March, 2010 in accordance with article 184 of the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
    This Audit Report was referred to the Public Accounts Committee in accordance with Standing Order 165 for examination and report.
    To consider this Report, the Committee met with the Acting Deputy Auditor- General, Mr. Richard Asiedu and a technical team from the Ghana Audit Service and report as follows: 2.0 References
    The Committee referred to the following relevant documents:
    1. The 1992 Constitution;
    2. T h e S t a n d i n g O r d e r s o f the House;
    3. National ICT Policy;
    4. F inanc ia l Admin is t ra t ion Act, 2003;
    5. F i n a n c i a l Administration Regulations, 2003; and
    6. Audit Service Act, 2000.
    3.0 Reason for the Audit
    Section 11 (1) and (3) of the Audit Service Act, 2000 Act 584 (1) requires the Auditor-General to review computerized financial and accounting systems and approve the form in which these are kept.
    Section 16 of the Audit Service Act states that the Auditor General may carry out in the public interest such special audits or reviews as he considers necessary.
    In recent times, the Auditor-General has observed that many of its auditees are computerizing their accounting systems to ensure effectiveness and efficiency in their work. It is also to ensure timely preparation of their financial statements.
    U n f o r t u n a t e l y, a n u m b e r o f organizations are computerizing without due regard to the laid- down provisions of the Financial Administration Regulations.
    In line with his mandate, the Auditor- General conducted an IT census to:
    determine the status of computer systems acquisition, installation and operation to ascertain whether existing policies are adequate and consistent with legislative framework and best international practices; and

    use the outcome of the exercise to carry out audits to determine the integrity of the systems and for identification of risks of manipulation or illegal practices that compromise the confidentiality, integrity and availabil i ty of corporate data.

    4.0 Summary of Audit Findings

    The mapping exercise identified non- compliance with the Audit Service Act that requires the Auditor-General to be informed of new and/or changes to existing systems. None of the business critical systems in use by the selected organisations during the mapping exercise had been approved by the Auditor-General. Indeed, many of those interviewed stated that they were not aware of this requirement of the Audit Service Act.

    The audit also found no evidence of proper implementation of the individual elements of the policy statements in practice. Many of those interviewed did not have documented IT policies and procedures that would facilitate implementation of the policy statements. Those who had documented policies were yet to implement them in practice. The policy statements mentioned are relevant to the operations of MDAs.

    The exercise identified inadequate level of investment in IT infrastructure and showed the need for the organisations to improve their communication links, upgrade their office and back-office systems and enhance their networks. In some of the organisations visited, the hardware and software in use had exceeded their economic useful lives and were on the brink of breaking down. Versions of software in use by some of the organisations were no longer supported by vendors.

    Additionally, many had not made arrangements to replace their obsolete equipment due to budgetary constraints. The norm has been to “use it until it breaks”. If the current trend continues, there is a risk that business critical systems may fail, leading to severe disruption of business critical activities in those organisations.

    The exercise identified an urgent need

    for the organisations to take prompt action in ensuring that only licensed software is installed on their computers. The practice has been for vendors to supply computers with unlicensed copies of Microsoft office software to public sector bodies.

    The exercise further disclosed a general lack of proper arrangements for ensuring the continuity of business operations, should there be a failure of the IT systems or in the event of a disaster. Only 5 per cent of the organisations interviewed had proper business continuity/disaster recovery plans in place.

    On a positive note, it was observed that environmental controls and controls for preventing damage or loss of equipment were generally satisfactory. Many had fire detection and suppression systems, air conditioners, uninterruptible power supply units for controlled shut down and stand-by generators. Again, virus protection software was generally in use. These were automatically updated from the vendors' websites.

    5.0 Observations and Recommendations

    The Deputy Auditor-General informed the Committee that this audit was a mapping exercise to gather information to ascertain whether MDAs were complying with Financial Administration Regulations with respect to accounting systems. The Regulations require that the Auditor- General should approve all accounting systems of the MDAs.

    He said the Audit Service would be using the outcome of the audit to carry out future audits. The technical team from the Ghana Audit Service indicated that the survey covered 234 institutions including MDAs and educational institutions. The survey at Kumasi revealed that, only St. Louis High School, Kumasi, which was not part of this sample sought approval from the Auditor-General before it established its IT systems.

    The audit exercise also highlighted a general lack of IT service management expertise and a lack of awareness of the benefits and savings that a structured approach to IT service management can bring. Many of the organisations did not have properly managed and well- structured IT departments.

    It was observed that many of the IT departments were run by individuals who were consultants.

    The Committee noted that there is the need for organisations to balance their craving for better and faster IT systems with their ability to manage such systems and the actual needs of the business. This is to ensure that organisations do not sink in huge sums of money into ICT when they cannot manage it.

    There was evidence of procurement of IT systems which were not well - thought through and did not meet the needs of the business. There was also evidence of absence of a structured approach to IT deployment. Consequently, some of the IT systems were installed by consultants but not supported, while some were simply held in storage as there was neither a business case to support their procurement nor a clear policy on their deployment.

    The Committee observed that a number

    of these lapses are occurring because the IT systems are being implemented without recourse to the national ICT Policy.

    Recommendations

    The Committee recommends that all MDAs should liaise with the Ministry of Communications before setting up any IT systems in their various institutions to ensure that it reflects the National ICT Policy Statement.

    Furthermore, all public institutions should seek approval from the Auditor- General before using or continue to use any computerised systems for their operations.

    The Commit tee demands tha t institutions currently using IT systems for their operations consult with the Ministry of Communications and implement the findings of the Auditor-General. They should also submit a report of compliance to the Auditor-General within 60 days from the adoption of this Report. This is to ensure that what happened to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration is not repeated.

    MDAs should create an ICT department or section fully headed by a director.

    6.0 Conclusion

    In this era of ICT, the Committee appreciates the need for institutions to opt for computerization of their systems including their accounting systems.

    However, given the findings of the Auditor-General and the unfortunate event at the premises of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration, there is the need for strict compliance to the laid down regulations.

    The Committee, therefore, directs the Controller and Accountant General to inform all government institutions to seek approval for their IT systems from

    the Auditor-General in line with Financial Administration Act. Furthermore, copies of the Auditor-General's Report as well as the Committee's Report should be circulated to every public institution.

    The Committee also recommends to the Auditor-General to undertake sensitization programmes on the provisions of the Audit Service Act.

    It is a matter of concern that the Ministry of Communications which is sufficiently resourced to direct the computerisation efforts of government institutions is not asserting itself and has allowed many government institutions to embark on fanciful and ill-planned computerisation projects. The Committee demands that the Ministry of Communications should be more proactive.

    The Committee recommends to the House to adopt and approve this Report on the Report of the Auditor-General on the Information Technology Mapping Exercise at key MDAS, MMDAS and educational institutions between October 2006 & March 2007.

    Respectfully submitted
    Alhaji Seidu Amadu (NDC - Yapei/ Kusawgu) 2:35 p.m.
    Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the Motion as ably presented by the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee.
    Mr Speaker, it is indeed true that for quite sometime now, ICT has been the most important topic that affects public policy all over the world. And for me, it is gratifying to note from the Report of the auditors that most of our MDAs and educational institutions are actually complying with Government's directive to ensure that all of them become not only ICT compliant but that they should move to streamline their activities to conform to international ICT policy.
    Unfortunately Mr. Speaker, if you look at the Report of the auditors, there is still inadequate investment in the ICT infrastructure as it relates to the MDAs. But I think that the relevant Ministries should do well to provide adequate budgetary resources for them to be able to upgrade their systems.
    Mr Speaker, the Report also indicates that most of the systems are not properly upgraded or they have not been upgraded, they are very, very obsolete and some of them are even out of manufacture. Therefore, if we continue to operate with obsolete equipment, it is going to affect the type of information that you are going to store or keep or operate on the computers that are installed.
    Here again, I think that the Ministries would need to support the various MDAs with the necessary resources to be able to upgrade their systems so that they can conform to the modern systems that are in use everywhere.
    Most of the software and the hardware that we have are very, very old and obsolete equipment and if we really want to take information retrieval, information keeping and whatever seriously, then we need to change or replace all these obsolete equipment so that we can have modern equipment to be able to do the job that we are supposed to do.
    In recent times, there have been a lot of fire outbreaks, not only in our markets but in government offices and if we allow these things to continue, what is simply going to happen is that a lot of information that is supposed to be captured on these computer systems, is going to be lost. Therefore, there is a need for a back-up in such a way that in case the main systems are destroyed, at least, we would have some other alternative source that we can retrieve the information.
    But here, the bottom line again, is the necessary investment in this sector and
    Mr Joe Ghartey (NPP - Esikadu/ Ketan) 2:24 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Motion.
    Mr Speaker, article 187 (2) of the Constitution states and with your permission, I beg to quote:
    “(2) The public accounts of Ghana and of all public offices, including the courts, the central and local government administrations, of the Universities and public institutions of like nature, of any public corporation or other body or organisation established by an Act of Parliament shall be audited and reported on by the Auditor-General.”
    It goes on further to say in article 187(4) that:
    “(4) The public accounts of Ghana and of all other persons or authorities referred to in clause (2) of this article shall be kept in such form as the Auditor- General shall approve.”
    Indeed, Mr Speaker, when you look at the Report, one of the major concerns is that with regard to ICT and auditing, what is happening is not happening with the blessing of the Auditor-General, and clearly, this flouts the Constitution.
    Mr Speaker, what is even more serious or worrying in this matter is the fact that auditing, especially external auditing has been recognised internationally as one of the fundamental principles of good corporate governance. Good corporate governance is not restricted to the private sector but it affects the private sector as well as the public sector.
    Indeed, Mr Speaker, in our public sector, there has been concern raised by experts that the deficit of good corporate governance in our public sector is threatening our very public sector. H. Kwesi Prempeh in his article, “The persistence corporate governance deficit in the Ghanaian public sector - An agenda for reform”, questions even whether the public sector can continue to exist in the manner that it is existing.
    Bright Saparti who used to be the Chief Executive Officer of the Serious Fraud Office and later on a founding lecturer of the Corporate Governance Programme in the Ghana Institute of Management and Public Administration, (GIMPA), states in his article, “A Growing Corporate Governance Culture in Ghana”, which was reported in the Daily Graphic of July 27 to 29 of 2005, that a baseline study conducted between March and July, 2003 indicated that a vast majority of the public sector institutions in Ghana did not have any or sufficient regard for corporate governance.
    Mr Speaker, this has come out clearly in the fact that this Report shows that with regard to auditing, the public sector as a whole seems to be completely oblivious or refusing to carry out its responsibility with regard to auditing and that respect that the
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:24 p.m.
    Order! Hon Member, please, continue.
    Mr Ghartey 2:24 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, that public sector must respect the fundamental principles of good corporate governance. Therefore, Mr Speaker, I rise to support this Motion, and congratulate the Public Accounts Committee and the Auditor- General on the good work done.
    I urge that perhaps, Parliament must devise a mechanism which it would start looking or advising or maybe, its Committee on Public Accounts as well as its Committee on State Enterprises which have the responsibility with regard to corporate governance, looking at the entire corporate governance structure of the public sector and in a non- partisan, unbiased manner and propose recommendations which will be accepted by the Executive.
    Mr Speaker, I am grateful for the opportunity given me to contribute on this all- important matter.
    Minister for Communications (Mr Haruna Iddrisu)(MP) 2:24 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to associate myself with the Motion for the adoption of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report on the Auditor-General on the Information Technology Mapping Exercise at Key MDAs, MMDAs and
    Educational Institutions between October 2006 and March 2007
    In doing so, Mr Speaker, I applaud and commend the Public Accounts Committee for a very diligent and thorough work done, making very, very appropriate recommendations.
    Mr Speaker, you are privileged because you have supervised the Ministry of Communications. The key to the future is how a country situates itself to take advantages of the opportunities of information and communication technology.
    We cannot do so leaving out the dominant sector, which is the public sector of our country, particularly those institutions responsible for the management of all our public information systems.
    It is in that vein that I find the recommendations of the Committee very, very appropriate. Particularly, Mr Speaker, it even indicts the Ministry of Communications appropriately so and calls on them to be more proactive.
    Mr Speaker, I think, guided by the recommendations of this Committee's Report and further to article 187, that my Hon Senior Member at the Bar referred to, this House should make appropriate recommendations so that all MDAs will be obliged to ensure that they do consult, not just with the Office of the Auditor- General.
    Indeed, at the end of 2008, the National Information and Technology Agency (NITA) Act was passed later to replace the Ghana Information Directorate and it is their responsibility to set standards and to ensure compliance to those standards and to co-ordinate all government-related IT projects.
    Mr Albert Kan-Dapaah 2:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in winding up, I want to thank Hon Members who have made very useful contribution to this Report. Mr Speaker, I will only add to what the Hon Minister has said.
    Mr Speaker, it is inconceivable that any government institution would engage itself in any contractual obligations or agreements without reference to the Attorney-General's Department.
    Similarly, no MDA is allowed to engage in any financial transaction without reference to the Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning. By the same token, no government institution should be allowed to dabble itself in information and communica t ion t echno logy without reference to the Ministry of Communications, which indeed, has the expertise and the resources to assist all these institutions in undertaking their authorization programmes. And I think the House should forcefully convey this message to all government institutions that it is no longer acceptable.
    Mr Speaker, this is important because in recent times, some Hon Ministers, indeed, the Minister for Transport came here for us to approve a facility which involved ICT and when he was asked whether sufficient consultation had been done with the Ministry of Communications, he was not very emphatic. Mr Speaker, this sort of situation should not be allowed to exist in this country and we urge the House to convey this message very, very strongly to all MDAs.
    I thank you Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:55 p.m.
    Hon Chairman, apart from the expressions of hope and wishes, have you considered any enforcing regulations in this regard? Considering the fact that you and the Hon Minister both happened to have headed the Ministry of Communications once, perhaps, you could go beyond wishing that something must be done which perhaps, will remain undone and perhaps you could come to some emphatic, forceable
    recommendation.
    Mr Kan-Dapaah 2:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Communications was set up for just that purpose. There used to be a time when the Ministry of Communications was involved more in the work that is being done by the Ministry of Information. We set up the Ministry of Communications specifically to take care of ICT development in the country, and there exists some regulation, if not lost, which demands that nobody, no MDA, no government institution should engage in any computerisation progamme without reference to the Ministry of Communication. It is either the Ministry is not asserting itself sufficiently or that the MDAs and the government institutions prefer to ignore the Ministry of Communications when they are embarking upon such projects.
    I think it will be useful, Mr Speaker, if the House can direct that communication should be sent to the various MDAs and other government institutions drawing their attention to the need for them to consult with the Ministry of Communications whenever they want to embark upon a computerization project.
    Mr H. Iddrisu 2:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that your question is appropriate. I have been wondering what we could do to explore article 187 (6) of the Constitution and it is in reference to debates of the Public Accounts and it provides that --
    “Parliament shall debate the report of the Auditor-General and appoint where necessary, in the public interest, a committee to deal with any matters arising from it.”
    But flowing from the Chairman's remark, Mr Speaker, I believe that this august
    House must give the appropriate directive.
    Indeed, what the Public Accounts Committee has revealed, there is more to it, there is a lot of waste and duplication of financial resources when it comes to IT. Even deployment of Wide Area Network (WAN), Local Area Network (LAN), we have seen huge sums of money being spent by various Ministries and departments to set up their own IT system or IT infrastructure.
    Currently, the Ministry, as you are respectfully aware, is undertaking the e-Government programme, not just the one initiated with the World Bank but the one with WAWE, which is deploying modern infrastructure to all MDAs. But you will be surprised to hear, maybe, Ministry of Finance and Economic Planning tomorrow or even the office of -
    Let me just give this example, Mr Speaker. Very recently, I was in Washington DC to make a case for the Judiciary in terms of support to complete the automation of the court process and to move towards e-Judiciary. I got some funding support and even before I could write to the Office of the Judiciary, guided by the Constitution that the Judiciary is not subject to any interference, I requested some dialogue between the Ministry of Communications and the Judiciary, together with the World Bank to identify what to do.
    Just in my informal discussions, I was told that there was some €12 million facilities which were being discussed to be approved to support the Judiciary in terms of the same initiative that we had got the initial funding from the World Bank to facilitate.
    Mr Speaker, that will be a waste of State resources or duplication of it. So, I share the view that this House must give appropriate directives. My hands will be better strengthened if I am referencing a decision and a directive of this House.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:55 p.m.
    Definitely, this goes to the very root of
    our oversight responsibility, and that is why I posed these questions to the two Hon Members.
    I would want to hear from the Majority Leader before we can close this aspect of the matter, so that we could have the appropriate recommendation and directive duly crafted by Leadership, with the appropriate consultation so that we avoid this obvious waste of public expenditure.
    Mr Abdul-Rashid Pelpuo 2:55 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am guided by the fact that this House does business with the recommendation and directive by the Executive that gives us the direction in which we want to move. It is also important that we sometimes, upon looking at issues, for example, on the Auditor-General's Report, presented by the Public Accounts Committee, it is important that for the sake of exercising our oversight responsibility, we make certain specific recommendations that would go to finalise our approach to oversight. To that extent, I know because I talk about directives from the Executive, it is not just directive but because we get Bills from them for us to work on and to that extent, we often deal with those ones.
    Mr Speaker, it would then give us the
    real functional duty of this House, if we are able to go beyond just reading a report and commenting on it, to making concrete recommendations as to what to do with the reports we get. To that extent, I think it is only proper that we do so, bearing in mind that we are doing it as legislators within the confines of our responsibility.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:55 p.m.
    Thank
    you very much.
    Question put and motion agreed to.
    Resolved:
    That this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor-General on IT Mapping Exercise at key MDAs and MMDAs and Educational Insti tutions between October, 2006 and March,
    2007.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 2:55 p.m.
    It is further directed that appropriate directive should be communicated to all MDAs, et cetera, to seek the approval of the Ministry of Communications before embarking on any of the purchases, et cetera, that relate to IT and IT related services.
    MOTIONS 3:05 p.m.

    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Albert Kan-Dapaah) 3:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor- General on the Audit of the Information Technology Systems of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration.
    Mr Speaker, in doing so, I present the Committee's Report.
    1.0 Introduction
    The above IT Audit Report was laid in the House on Wednesday, 2nd March, 2010 in accordance with article 184 of the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.
    This Audit Report was referred to the Public Accounts Committee in accordance with Standing Order 165 for examination and report.
    To consider this Report, the Committee met with the Deputy Minister for Communications, Hon. Gideon Quarcoo, Mr. Lawrence R. A. Satuh, the Acting Chief Director of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs amd Regional Integration, the technical team from the Ministry of
    Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and the Ghana Audit Service and report as follows:
    2.0 Reference
    The Committee referred to the following relevant documents:
    1. The 1992 Constitution;
    2. T h e S t a n d i n g O r d e r s o f the House;
    3. National ICT Policy;
    4. Financial Administration Act;
    5. F i n a n c i a l Administration Regulation
    6. Audit Service Act, 2000.
    3.0 Reason for the Audit
    Section 11 (1) and (3) of the Audit Service Act, 2000, Act 584 (1) requires that the Auditor-General reviews computerized financial and accounting systems and approve the form in which these are kept.
    Section 16 of the Audit Service Act also states that the Auditor General may carry out in the public interest such special audits or reviews as he considers necessary.
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration(MFA's) vision is to ensure effective co-ordination between the Ministry and its overseas Missions on one hand and between the Ministry and other stakeholders to promote Ghana's interests abroad on the other hand.
    In furtherance of this vision, MFA has acquired a number of computers and set up an Information Technology (IT) unit.
    In line with his mandate, the Auditor-
    Chairman of the Committee (Mr Albert Kan-Dapaah) 3:05 p.m.


    General undertook an IT audit to:

    review and appraise the controls and procedures operated by management to ensure that information is reliable and the continued integrity of the business critical systems are safeguarded;

    assess the effectiveness of the overall management control over the IT functions of the organisation; and

    provide a report highlighting a n y w e a k n e s s e s a n d m a k e recommendations for corrective action.

    4.0 Summary of Audit Finding

    The audit revealed that there was the absence of an IT Policy and Strategy approved by management . Th i s defect could lead to the acquisition or development of systems which would be incompatible with business needs of the institution or not conform to corporate objectives

    There was also lack of proper controls over user access. Users were able to access any site on the internet and also download unauthorised software. This could lead to unauthorised and inappropriate access gained to the application of client data. This poses risk to confidentiality, integrity and availability of data

    There were poor environmental controls. This would reduce the life- span of the assets, thereby increasing maintenance cost. There were no fire hydrants in place to check fire outbreak.

    The Ministry did not have a Business Case and/or Functional Specification to
    Alhaji Seidu Amadu (NDC - Yapei/ Kusawgu) 3:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion as ably moved by the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee.
    Mr Speaker, I just wish to make some brief comments on two critical findings as stated by the auditors in the Report.
    The first one has to do with poor environmental controls. Mr Speaker, when we talk of poor environmental controls, what do we really mean or what are we looking for? We are talking about installation of air-conditioners, we are talking about fire hydrants, we are talking about fire detection and suppression systems, uninterrupted power supply, stand-by generators, and valve protection software. These are the key things that constitute poor environmental controls and all these things most of them do not exist.
    It is, indeed, true that the computers are very fragile and sensitive pieces of equipment and therefore, you cannot install a computer without creating the congenial atmosphere for that piece of equipment to function very, very well. I would therefore, want to call on MDAs that they should take into consideration a very close look at these environmental conditions when it comes to the installation of computers in their various offices.
    Mr William O. Boafo (NPP - Akropong) 3:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, listening to the Report of the Committee, it appears that the Ministry of Communications, once they formulate the policies and give the directives, then that is the end. But I believe there should be a follow-up programme. If the Ministry of
    Communications can take it upon itself to constitute a monitoring team to monitor the various Ministries whether or not they are actually implementing the decisions or the directives of the Ministry. That would go a long way to help.
    With regard to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration , it is very sympathetic to note the fact that the fire outbreak had affected the IT system over there. This particular information having come to the notice of this august House, I would urge the Leadership to take some steps to see whether we can help the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration to upgrade their stock of the computers.
    Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration is a very important Ministry as far as we are concerned. They have more contact with the outside world than any other office, apart from the Office of the President and it is necessary that we ensure that so far as the IT system in that Ministry is concerned, it is up to standard, so that they would not be found wanting when they are confronted with issues at the international level.
    Mr Speaker, I also would like to commend the Committee for the thorough work that they have done so far as this Report is concerned.
    With that I thank you for the opportunity.
    Question put and Motion agreed to
    Resolved accordingly.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:05 p.m.
    Once more, as a House, we want to reiterate our earlier directive and definitely, this House, with its oversight responsibilities, would not sit aloof as public funds are lost by

    fighting over turf and when appropriate Ministries will not co-operate so that we would have appropriate results - for example, with the help of the Ministry of Communications, we could have an appropriate backup for documents from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration. And IT is a fast-growing area, we do not want obsolete equipment to be purchased just because Ministries are operating singularly without reference to the Ministry of Communications. So definitely, this would have to be appropriately sent as directives to the appropriate quarters.

    Hon Majority Leader, the time does not require a Motion but just in case the Hon Leader has any indications.
    Mr Cletus A. Avoka 3:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, given the numbers that we have in the Chamber and the amount of work we have done since 10.00 a.m., we also have winnowing to do in respect of the Economic and Organised Crime Bill, so I would rather pray that we take an adjournment till tomorrow at 10.00 o'clock in the forenoon.
    Then at the same time, to humbly request those who have filed amendments in respect of the Economic and Organised Crime Bill, to come to my office at 4.00 o'clock for winnowing.
    I thank you.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:05 p.m.
    4.00 o'clock today?
    Mr Avoka 3:05 p.m.
    That is so, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Second Deputy Speaker 3:05 p.m.
    Hon Minority Leader?
    Mrs Gifty E Kusi 3:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, at this juncture we all agree that you use your discretion to adjourn the House.
    ADJOURNMENT 3:05 p.m.

  • The House was adjourned at 3.25 p.m. till 16th July, 2010 at 10.00 a.m.