Debates of 20 Jun 2013

MR SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:45 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:45 a.m.

Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Hon Members, Correc- tion of the Votes and Proceedings of Wednesday, 19th June, 2013.
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Mr Solomon N. Boar 10:45 a.m.
Mr Speaker, page 7, number 40, the Hon Member -- “Nyindam, Matthew (Kpandai)” -- I know he is on an official assignment outside the country with some Hon Colleagues whose names are found under “Absent with permission”. I do not know whether he did not notify you.
Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Hon Member, I would let the Table Office crosscheck whether he has taken formal permission and then we will know what to do.
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Alhaji Mohammed-Mubarak Muntaka 10:45 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am sorry I could not catch your eye when you were on page 8. I would want to know whether with your indulgence, I can take you back.
Yesterday, the Hon Deputy Minister who was around to help lay the Paper was not Hon Ato Baah Forson. It was the other Hon Deputy Minister, Ricketts- Hagan, who did so, if the records would capture it appropriately.
Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
Very well.

Hon Members, the Votes and Proceedings of Wednesday, 19th June, 2013 as corrected, are hereby adopted as the true record of proceedings.
  • [No correction was made to the Official Report of Friday, 14th June, 2013.]
  • Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    At the Commencement of Public Business -- Deputy Majority Leader.
    Mr Alfred K. Agbesi 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, with your permission, if we can take item number 5 on the Order Paper.
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Very well.
    MOTIONS 10:45 a.m.

    Majority Leader) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 80(1) which require that no Motion shall be debated until at least, forty-eight hours have elapsed between the date on which notice of the Motion is given and the date on which the Motion is moved, the Motion that this Honourable House constitutes an ad hoc committee to make recommendations to Parliament on the modifications contemplated under article 181(5) of the Constitution for implementation, may be moved today.
    Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    Resolved accordingly.
    Ad hoc Committee on Modifications under article 181(5) of the Constitution
    Deputy Majority Leader (Afred K. Agbesi) (on behalf of the Majority Leader): Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House constitutes an ad hoc committee composed of the following Hon Members to make recommendations to Parliament on the modifications contemplated under article 181(5) of the Constitution for implementation.
    Mr Speaker, this Motion is brought under --
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Member, you have not mentioned the names of the Hon Members.
    Mr Agbesi 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, the Hon Members composing the Committee are as follows:
    1. Hon Dr Benjamin Bewa-Nyog Kunbuor -- Chairman
    2. Hon Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu -- Vice Chairman
    3. Hon Ebo Barton-Odro -- Member
    4. Hon Joe Ghartey -- Member
    5. Hon Cletus Apul Avoka -- Member
    6. Hon Papa Owusu-Ankomah -- Member
    7. Hon James Klutse Avedzi -- Member
    8. Hon Dr Anthony Akoto Osei -- Member
    9. Hon Alban S. K. Bagbin -- Member
    10. Hon Alfred Kwame Agbesi -- Member
    11. Hon William Ofori Boafo -- Member
    12. Hon Della Sowah (Mrs) -- Member
    13. Hon Sarah Adwoa Safo (Ms) -- Member
    14. Hon Joseph Osei-Owusu -- Member
    15 Hon Charles Obeng-Inkoom -- Member
    Mr Speaker, the Motion is brought under Order 191 of our Standing Orders and with your permission, I beg to quote:
    “The House may at any time by motion appoint Special or Ad Hoc Committee to investigate any matter of public importance; . . .”
    Mr Speaker, article 181 (5) of the 1992 Constitution has come under discussion both in public, in Parliament and at the courts. Recently, the issue came up for the Supreme Court's interpretation in a case that was headed Martin Amidu v Waterville and Others.
    The Supreme Court gave some directions, and in order that this House could make recommendations how article 181 of the 1992 Constitution should be handled and interpreted, it is proposed that this Ad hoc Committee be composed to go into the matter and advise the House and also submit a report to the House.
    It is on this basis that I move, that this House adopts the Motion, item number 6 on the Order Paper.
    Minority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei- Mensah-Bonsu) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion moved on behalf of the Hon Majority Leader by the Hon Deputy Majority Leader.
    Mr Speaker, it is true, as he has alluded to, that article 181(1) of our 1992 Constitution provides that and Mr Speaker, with your permission, I beg to quote:
    “Parliament may, by a resolution supported by the votes of a majority of all the Members of Parliament, authorise the Government to enter into an agreement for the granting of a loan out of any public fund or public account.”
    Mr Speaker, this, we have been doing. But where it relates to any loan or any international business or economic transaction, Parliament has not fashioned a way to deal with this. Since the inception of this Fourth Republic Parliament on January 7, 1993, Parliament has not lived up to this responsibility, and every year, events crop up, which necessitate the enforcement of this provision and Parliament has thus far abdicated its responsibility, if we must be blunt with ourselves.
    It has become imperative that we give meaning to the provisions contained in article 181 of the 1992 Constitution, in particular with respect to article 181(5) and that is what we seek to do this morning by constituting an ad hoc committee to go into this and submit a report to this House which this House would debate and possibly adopt.
    Mr Speaker, it has become imperative to constitute an ad hoc committee because as the Hon Deputy Majority Leader read out, unfortunately, he did not complete that provision-- it would make it stand out-- the reason we have to resort to this vehicle of constituting an

    ad hoc vehicle. This is because, as he said, and rightly so, Order 191 provides that:

    “The House may at any time by motion appoint Special or Ad Hoc Committee to investigate any matter of public importance; to consider any Bill that does not come under the jurisdiction of any of the Standing or Select Committees.”

    None of the Standing or Select Committees is competent enough to deal on its own with this subject matter, and that is why the Committee has been constituted in this manner.

    Mr Speaker, care has been taken to involve, in constituting this ad hoc committee, people with some considera- ble experience. We have involved the two Leaders, the Majority Leader is the Chairman and the Minority Leader is the Vice Chairman. We also involved all former Attorney-Generals who find themselves in this House and that category include the Hon Papa Owusu- Ankomah and the Hon Joe Ghartey.

    The Hon Ebo Barton-Odro, I guess, would represent the Speakership in this manner and the Chairman of the Finance Committee, because it relates to finance, is here present. The Hon Dr Anthony Akoto Osei is a Ranking Member, the Hon A. S. K. Bagbin is a former Leader of the Minority and the Majority as well, equally so, for Hon Cletus Apul Avoka.

    I think care has also been taken to involve some experienced lawyers and one such person is the Hon William Ofori Boafo. Of course, we cannot do without our women, which explains why we have the Hon Sarah Adwoa Sarfo as a member, a lawyer in her own right, and also, I believe, representing the backbenchers. I should think that informed the reason to also feature Hon Dela Sowah.

    Hon Joseph Osei-Owusu is the Ranking Member for the Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs and that explains why he is also here.

    Mr Speaker, so, it is a cross-sectional representation of Hon Members in this House that we have attempted to have as a conglomerate body to deal with this matter before us.

    I believe they are capable enough to enquire into the matter and make proposals to this House in the form of a report, which this House would peruse and possibly adopt.

    Mr Speaker, for that reason, I beg to secon ad hoc committee.

    Question proposed.
    Mr William O. Boafo (NPP -- Akwapim North) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, this is a very brief contribution.
    Mr Speaker, looking at the Motion, I could see in line 3 -- modifications contemplated under article 181(5). . .”. Maybe, when the Hon Deputy Majority Leader is winding up, he would explain what he meant by “modifications” or whether it is “modalities” --
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Boafo, the word “modifications” there is taken from article 181(5). That is where the use of the word “modification” is coming from. If you want to improve upon the Motion, you are entitled to do so. That is why it is for the consideration of the House.
    Mr Boafo 10:45 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    The other thing that I would like to add is that, whatever should be the outcome
    of the work of this Committee, should not rest with us in Parliament alone. I would like to see a situation where this would be developed into a legislation, just as we have the Loans Act, so that whatever we do here would be binding on the Executive.
    It would not be mere guidelines for us, but it should lead to the promulgation of an enactment.
    Thank you.
    Dr Matthew O Prempeh (NPP -- Manhyia South) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, as far as we could probably think this House existed, this has been very necessary. But under your Leadership of the House, under your Chairmanship, this Committee has finally been put together to realise some serious aspects of our 1992 Constitution, which we have overlooked.
    Mr Speaker, I, for one, thought that since we have held the bull by the horns, we should probably not limit ourselves to article 181(5). That is not the only part that has been lingering in the debates of this House.
    Articles 184(4) and 187(6), both have to do with the Auditor -General's Report, after the Public Accounts Committee meets -- and that has to do with the foreign exchange transactions of the Bank of Ghana. When the Report is laid and debated, that in the matter of public interest, such committee should be set up to deal with matters arising out of the Auditor-General's and the Public Accounts Committee's Reports and the foreign exchange transactions of the Bank of Ghana.
    I would beg that if it is not late, this Ad Hoc Committee as it might be, should be expanded, so that when they think about these things, they should rather also include and think about those things, so that the House --
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Member for Manhyia South, I think that there is a specific Motion relating to article 181(5) before us. You are raising a very important matter, but that can come, in its own right, into the House for us to look at.
    Dr Prempeh 10:45 a.m.
    Sure, Mr Speaker. I am just, in supporting the laudable thing -- We are the masters of our game.
    The Leadership of the House has considered now, under your Speakership, that this is important. And I am reminding them, like you just said, that there are equally, even more fundamental issues with the Bank of Ghana Foreign Exchange transactions and the Auditor-General's Reports, that if the House likes, it should modify this Motion to include that, so that the House gets a comprehensive report once and for all.
    Mr Speaker, the House could not have put together a better team than this. This is the Committee of Leadership so they can do the work for us, so that we the back-benchers can accept it.
    Minister for Finance (Mr Seth Terkpeh) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to support the Motion and in doing so, I would like to acknowledge your Leadership, on this very important subject matter.
    I also rise on a point of information to the House, that the Executive branch led by myself and the Hon Attorney-General has initiated some work on this subject matter. In fact, the earlier work on this pre-dates the Attorney-General and Minister for Justice when the Hon Kunbuor and the Hon First Deputy Speaker were in the Ministry of Justice and we are at a point of presenting an Information Paper to Cabinet on the subject matter.
    Mr Speaker, it is in this context that I wish to put on record that the Executive, having initiated action, will work closely
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, of course, what we are doing is purely Parliamentary Business. The Executive could initiate their own action. Of course, along the line, we may need to collaborate.
    But Mr Speaker, the information that the Hon Minister responsible for Finance is giving, arouses tremendous curiosity. He tells us that “the Executive branch,” I am quoting him, “led by myself and the Attorney-General” --
    The Executive Government that we have is led by the President. I have never known that he has transformed into the President of this country.
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Minister for Finance, what did you say?
    Mr Terkpeh 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I never meant to -- I was referring to a subject matter, and I did not know -- misinformation on the subject matter.
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Have you finished, Hon Minister?
    Mr Terkpeh 10:45 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker, I have finished.
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Emmanuel K. Bedzrah (NDC -- Ho West) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to support the Motion, and in doing so, I have an obeservation.
    I have noticed that we have close to about 30 women Hon Members of Parliament but in the composition of this
    Ad Hoc Committee, we have only two women. I would want to suggest to Leadership, if they can review or look at it again, because we want women to be adequately represented in the Committee.
    Dr Anthony A. Osei (NPP -- Old Tafo) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I wish to contribute to the Motion and in so doing, make an observation for the consideration of the House.
    It is true that the Committee, as is being recommended, is composed of very eminent “Mugabes” of this House, including -- [Interruption.] If he looks at the list, he would know who the “Mugabes” are. The former Hon Attorneys-General and Ministers of Justice and the former Deputy are there and our Leadership and Hon Cletus -- [Interruption.]
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Chief Whip for the Majority, do you have a point of order?
    Alhaji Muntaka 10:45 a.m.
    Rightly so, Mr Speaker.
    My Hon Colleague from Old Tafo was talking about “Mugabes” . That is somebody's name. What does he mean? It is not known to this House. What is “Mugabes”?
    Dr A. A. Osei 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would not comment on my Hon good Friend's -- This is because I notice that anytime I make a comment on him, it is reported in the papers. We had a debate about some issue the last time and I made a contribution which was prominently put in the newspaper, that I made a case against him. So, for him in particular, I have to be careful about what words I use. I think he got the newspapers to report it.
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    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Member, what is your point of order?
    Alhaji Muntaka 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thought that what he said earlier was less offensive. He is saying that I got the newspapers to -- [Interruption.]
    Dr A. A. Osei 10:45 a.m.
    I said “maybe”.
    Alhaji Muntaka 10:45 a.m.
    No, no; that is not it. Be fair to me; I never got any newspaper to write anything. So, please, Mr Speaker, I think he should take note. I never got any newspaper to write anything about him.
    Dr A. A. Osei 10:45 a.m.
    That is why I said immediately after that, “on a more serious note”. So, it was a lighter part of it.
    Mr Speaker, I have observed that we have a Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs and with your permission, if I may quote their mandate:
    “The Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs, composed of eighteen members shall examine all questions relating to constitutional and parliamentary issues generally.”
    I am thinking that, maybe, we could use that Committee and co-opt other Hon Members who we think can help, so that we do not always create several ad hoc committees. If this is their mandate -- it appears to me that it may fall within their ambit. But I also recognise that you may need other Hon Members on this matter, so, I thought, maybe, we could look at that also as a possibility.
    Mr Gifty E. Kusi (NPP -- Tarkwa- Nsuaem) 10:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to buttress what my Hon Colleague, Mr Bedzrah said.
    Our percentage in this House is 10.9. So, I would want to inform Leadership that since we are in a democracy and every- thing that we do here pertains to percentages, they should have that in mind and when they are constituting any committee, they should know that our percentage is 10.9 and they should try as much as possible -- [Interruption] -- If they do not get the 10.9, they should, at least -- [Interruption.]

    Several Hon Members -- rose --
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Hon Member for Manhyia South, do you have a point of order?
    Dr Prempeh 10:45 a.m.
    Yes, on a point of order.
    Mr Speaker, seriously, what is 10.9 per cent in human beings? Unless the Hon Member for Tarkwa-Nsuaem sees part of the females in this House as 0.9 per cent - - I do not see. They have a finite number, and human beings are always finite --
    Mr Speaker 10:45 a.m.
    Which part do you want her to cede to you? [Laughter.]
    Hon Members, the point being raised, really, is in regard to Standing Order 154, that --
    “The composition of the Committees shall as much as possible reflect the different shades of opinion in Parliament.”
    The point being raised is that they do not think that we have sufficient gender representation on the Committee, and therefore, it is for the House to decide.
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    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    I have not done the percentages and I have not done the calculation.
    Hon Ranking Member, Finance Committee --
    Dr A. A. Osei 11:15 a.m.
    On a point of information.
    Mr Speaker, it is 13 per cent; two out of 15 is 13 per cent. It does not mean that we cannot add more. But as it stands now, it is exactly 13 per cent.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    So, her percentage is not correct? So, her percentage is wrong?
    Dr A. A. Osei 11:15 a.m.
    It is more than 10.9 per cent, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Yes, Hon Member for Hohoe.
    Dr (Mrs) Bernice A. Heloo (NDC -- Hohoe) 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would like to comment on the description given to the women on the Committee.
    The Hon Minority Leader made a submission that we have women. The implication is that the women are just there because they are women. These are well- qualified women. One of them is a lawyer and the other person is a social scientist. So, I do not think, saying that they are there because they are women, is the right thing to say --
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, by way of correction, I did not say that we have featured the women merely because they are women; I did not say so. I even qualified -- In justifying the inclusion of Hon Adjoa Safo, I said she was there in her own rights as a woman and that she was even a lawyer; I added that dimension. So, I did not say that and I never meant that.
    Mr Speaker, so, I guess we can go on.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Any other comments? Otherwise, I would put the Question.
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    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Hon Deputy Majority Leader, do you want to wind up?
    Mr Agbesi 11:15 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, some concerns have been raised about women representation. This is more or less an advice to the Leadership, that the next time, we should look at it properly and include a lot of women on such committees. It is a welcome advice and we shall take it on board.
    Mr Speaker, also, the Committee on Constitutional, Legal and Parliamentary Affairs has been mentioned and it has been proposed now that Hon A. S. K. Bagbin should be the Chairman of that Committee. Already, he is in the Committee as a former Leader of the House. So, if he becomes a leader of the Constitution, Legal and Parliamentary Committee, it takes care of that aspect also.
    So, we would take the concerns raised by Hon Members on board in composing other committees in future. But the issue is that this is specific for article 181 (5). If there is any other matters which Parliament must look at, at the appropriate time, we would come out with a committee to take care of it.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Hon Members, that brings us to the end of the debate.
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    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Hon Member for Takoradi, he has wound up.We have finished with the debate and I want to put the Question.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    Resolved accordingly.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Hon Leaders, how many weeks have we given them? There is no timeline in the -- How soon should they bring their report to the House? The House needs to know.
    Mr Agbesi 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we are looking at four weeks from today, so that they can present their report to the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think it is important that we give them sufficient time to do a very thorough job for us. This is because this is going to be a landmark issue, so, it is important that we give them sufficient time.
    In any event, the House would have to consider it before we adjourn sine die.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Very well.
    Dr Prempeh 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, one month; for the Committee to be meeting ad hocly for one month -- Mr Speaker, if you give them one month, you have given them enough time not to be meeting. There is no pressure in one month, considering the fact that tea would be served.
    Mr Speaker, it should be two weeks, so that they know the urgency. And if they cannot, we can extend the time for them. But one month is too much. They are already Hon Leaders and they are involved in a lot of other businesses. So, they would start saying, “Oh, we are travelling, we are going here.” Two weeks are enough; if they cannot, they should come to the House for an extension of time.
    Mr James K. Avedzi 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I completely disagree with my Hon Colleague. The Members of this Ad Hoc Committee have duties that they perform. This is an additional duty --
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    The point he is making is that we have to treat this matter as a matter of urgency; that is the point that he is making.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    I think that is a better argument.
    Dr A. A. Osei 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that we should be careful. Some of the areas the Committee would be going into are very deep. There are different types of contracts among different agencies in this country. For example, you cannot treat Electricity Company of Ghana (ECG) the same way that you may want to treat Parliament. So, we have to be careful and examine all this evidence before we can do a good job.
    It is true that we have not done it since 1992. But if we are going to do it, I think we should be given sufficient time to make sure that we do not come back after we have done it.
    I foresee several variations, and we need to call the Ministry of Finance, Procurement Agency, lots of agencies to understand their operations before we come up with any recommendations. The Volta River Authority's (VRA) issues are different from Tema Oil Refinery's (TOR) issues -- are different from the Ministry of Finance's issues -- thresholds and things like that. I believe that if you are going to give us the mandate -- I think three months may not even be sufficient, with all respect.
    Mr Murtala M. Ibrahim 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we all agree that it is something that we should treat with the needed urgency. I think I would propose that they should be given one week, considering the fact that the Hon Members would be given the responsibility to get the needed information. Even if it would take them three days to do that, they can.
    It is just the will and the determination to do the work as required. I believe even if we give the Committee three months or four months, if they do not attach -- It would be too long.
    I agree absolutely with my Hon Colleague, but I think one week should be enough.
    Mr Darko-Mensah 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I support that the time should be limited to about two weeks. This is because after 20 years, we already know the issues.
    Mr Speaker 11:15 a.m.
    Hon Members, this is a very technical area. I am aware that the Supreme Court has pronounced on article 185 (5) in at least, three judgements that -- the Farrow Atlantic v The Attorney- General, the Balkan Energy and then Waterville.
    These are judgements that the Committee is supposed to go and study very, very well before engaging the people involved to know the thinking of our law lords on this matter. And as the Hon Ranking Member on the Finance Committee did say, there are different economic and business transactions.
    I think the one month proposed by the Leaders of both sides of the House should be enough. But the Minority Leader did add a caveat that, if possible, we should take this matter before we go on recess. That should be enough caveat, to guide the Committee in bringing their report. So, I think, let us give them the one month proposed by the Leaders.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if they start on the job, given the enormity of the task, and they are unable to finish, they would advise the House. And if you have to extend the period for them, it would be done, because we have waited for 20 years to get to this.
    I am not too sure that two, three more months would gravely imperil this House. But let us give them the one month; if they cannot finish, they would inform us and we would take the necessary action.
    Alhaji Muntaka 11:15 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to also add that I believe there is nothing wrong with the Committee if they are able to finish in a week and they come to report.
    I think the four weeks is just a ceiling; it is within four weeks. So, if they are able to do it in two weeks, that should be all right and they would report to the House. So, I think that it is only appropriate to give them adequate time, so that they would be able to do a very good work for all of us.
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Very well. I direct the Clerk to Parliament to provide the necessary logistical support to the Committee in the discharge of this onerous responsibility.
    Mr Agbesi 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, item 7 on the Order Paper. With regard to item 7 on the Ghana Investment Promotion Centre Bill, 2013, a lot of Hon Members have raised issues. One, that they have not had the copies of the Bill. Two, there is the need also for us to do some winnowing on the Bill itself. So, I propose that we also stand this down and go in for winnowing as early as possible.
    Indeed, after adjournment today, we should do some winnowing, so that we can fast-track it and bring it back for consideration.
    Dr Prempeh 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, taking a cue from what the Hon Deputy Majority Leader

    just said, the House has evoked a concept of winnowing and I think, under your Speakership, it should be well established. This is because when Bills come and committees work on them, even the committees are not fully represented at the Consideration Stage in the House.

    So, if we are going to take the matter of winnowing serious, and if the House has taken it serious, then, Mr Speaker, let us see the Winnowing Committee, so that we know that when the Consideration Stage is reached, the Winnowing Committee meets and after winnowing -- Or proposals are sent to the Winnowing Committee, so that we can expedite action in this House.

    Mr Speaker, I agree with the Hon Deputy Majority Leader. If he allows the sentiments around to start the Consideration Stage now, we might not finish with this Bill and it will be very, very distorting.
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    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    I thought your Leader had spoken on this matter? But let me hear --
    Alhaji Muntaka 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is in relation to what my Hon Colleagues just said.
    Alhaji Muntaka 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, one, it will be difficult to have whatever name you may choose to call it, a winnowing committee. It will be difficult because the Bills vary, interests vary and usually, as
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Is that what has happened? It is rather a serious matter you are raising.
    Alhaji Muntaka 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, we have seen one item which he and I are planning to bring up for the proper action to be taken. But that has nothing to do with winnowing.
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Very well.
    Mr Darko Mensah 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, on the issue about discrepancies in the final Act, I think that the same thing also happened with the Petroleum Manage-
    ment Act. So, I believe that we might have to look at a stage where an initial printing would be made available for Hon Members to go through before the final Act is sent to the Press.
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Hon Members, with regard to what the House has done and what the final output is, in terms of the legislation being different -- It is a serious matter. It is a matter that must be taken separately, not now. But for now, we are considering whether the Ghana Investment Promotion Centre Bill, 2013, should pass through the Consideration Stage or not. That is the issue we have on the floor of the House.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, first of all, by way of a little reaction to the issue that has been thrown up by the former Chairman of the Health Committee in respect of the National Health Insurance Authority Act, I think we have time and over, suggested that after we have finished with the Consideration Stage and the Third Reading, it may become imperative to have the --
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Hon Minority Leader, as I indicated, this is a rather serious matter. They should draw our attention to the proper clause. We will crosscheck to see what happened on the floor of the House, which we can easily get from the Votes and Proceedings of that day and indeed, from the Hansard, then we can take it up. But they should not introduce it at this stage because it is a rather serious matter.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I appreciate the point. I was just saying that this is not the first time that we are seeing this and that is, why it is important for us, after we have dealt with the Consideration Stage, that we have the reconciled document before us before it passes through the Third Reading-- the entire document, before it proceeds to the
    President for his assent. Otherwise, we may have such mistakes as he has chosen to call it, “recurring”. So, perhaps, we may have to devise a way to deal with this.
    Mr Speaker, the matter relating to the winnowing committee whether it should be a permanent one or an ad hoc one, the Chief Whip for the Majority would appreciate that when in the past we had tried to do the winnowing, we had always done it at the instance of the Majority Leader. Sometimes they do recline to my office and we have been doing this.
    The reason is that the Majority Leader who is the Leader of Government Business would know the policy underpinning the Bill that has been introduced to the House. That is why he has to lead the winnowing. So, we could have some permanence in this and we are not talking about this jurisdiction alone. It obtains elsewhere even though it may be informal. The reason for that arrangement is that he knows the policy underpinning every Government Bill that comes to the House. So, we will appreciate that point.
    But having said that, of course, we have the Minority Leader-- the Minority Leader's party will also have its principle position on many things and that is why the Minority Leader necessarily may have to be part of that winnowing arrangement. So, I guess if you turn it over in your head, you will appreciate why we have had that formulation.
    But Mr Speaker, on this Bill, I guess we could start because there are provisions, particularly sections (1), (2) and (3), in which areas the Committee themselves are not proposing any amendments and very non-controversial ones. I guess we could start with them to see where we could get to and if we are
    able to deal with one or two, at least, it will tell that Parliament is serious about starting this off in earnest.
    So, I will propose to the Deputy Majority Leader that we may begin, maybe, clauses 1, 2 and 3 then see where we get to. If we ran into difficulties, then we can recline and go into the winnowing. Certainly, the winnowing may become necessary. I guess clauses 1, 2, 3 are very non-controversial.
    Mr Agbesi 11:25 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, in the circum- stances, we can start, so that we see where --
    Mr Speaker 11:25 a.m.
    Let us start and see how it is going. If it is becoming a problem, then we defer it and go and consider our winnowing.
    But where is the Hon Minister for Trade and Industry who is in charge of this Bill?
    Alhaji Amadu B. Sorogho 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, he is on his way. He has not got here and that was why I just looked back to see. He is on his way.
    Mr Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Hon Members, I do not know what is the thinking of the House. Do we start it without the Hon Minister, who understands the policy behind this Bill? Normally, taking this Bill without the Hon Minister, is not about the best.
    What is the sense of the House?
    Some Hon Members 11:35 a.m.
    Defer.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I guess if the Hon Minister is not available, then maybe, we can adjourn and await his arrival and start the winnowing.
    Mr Agbesi 11:35 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 11:35 a.m.
    Very well. Hon Members, item number 4 on the Order Paper, Motions.
    MOTIONS 11:35 a.m.

    ECOWAS 11:35 a.m.

    Ms Shirley A. Botchwey (NPP -- Anyaa/Sowutuom) 11:35 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I rise to second the Motion, and in doing so, I would like to touch on a couple of issues of importance that have been captured in the Report.
    Mr Speaker, as captured in the Report, is the important issue of enhancement of the powers of the ECOWAS Parliament. The ECOWAS Parliament as we all know, presently, is just an advisory body without legislative power. It is an advisory body to the Authority of Heads of State and Government and also to the Council of Ministers.
    It is important that the process has started to move it from an advisory body to a full Parliament that can actually enact laws. This, indeed, would speed up the integration of the sub-region and also help in the developmental efforts that all the nations under ECOWAS are pursuing.
    Mr Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Before I give the Chair to the First Deputy Speaker, I would want to get one clarification -- attached to the Report is the Ghana Country Report. Is it an appendix?
    Ms Botchwey 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, it is an annex.
    Mr Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Has it been properly captured?
    Mr Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Hon Member for Ashaiman and Deputy Majority Leader, have you properly captured it as an annex?
    Mr Agbesi 11:45 a.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Which paragraph of your main Report?
    Mr Agbesi 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am aware it is annex but --
    Ms Botchwey 11:45 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, if I can help. It says on page 14, paragraph 2 - Ghana's Country Report was presented annex attached to the Report. It is on page 14.
    Mr Speaker 11:45 a.m.
    Very well. Continue please.
    MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
    Ms Botchwey 11:47 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, one of the major hurdles that we have to overcome will be the fact that national Parliaments are being proposed for electoral colleges to elect ordinary citizens as representa- tives of the ECOWAS Parliament. The question is, Members of Parliament -- if you take the number of Members of Parliament from the Ghanaian Parliament representing Ghana at the ECOWAS Parliament, number 8, the question is, how do you elect these representatives?
    Do we agree that we will elect them from within our national Parliament or universal adult suffrage and if so, how do you divide the country into consti- tuencies or electoral areas? It is going to be difficult and these are issues that will confront the authority. Also there are serious implications; we are talking about 115 representatives who are permanently located in Abuja, housing them, hosting them -- Their remunerations, their allowances --
    If the salaries and allowances are going to be taken care of as is being proposed by the national Parliaments, on what basis is it going to be done? Is it going to be done on when it comes to the salaries of our Members of Parliament (MPs)? These are all things that have to
    be looked at and also the real cost has to do with hosting them permanently in Abuja.
    One other area that has to be looked at, is the laws that may be enacted or made. How will those laws fit into the national laws and I know that when it comes to the European Parliament, there are laws there that are in conflict with the national laws and there is always one problem or the other. These are all things that we will need to look at and the Authority of Heads of State will need to seriously look at it.
    So, although it is desirable, although the enhancement of the powers to a full Community Parliament is the way forward, I believe that to attain it we will have to go through a few hurdles.
    One other area that took centre stage at the ECOWAS Parliament was peace and security and this took a lot of the time because of the issues connected to Guinea Bissau, connected to Mali and also Togo and Conakry itself. A lot of work went into it, an Ad Hoc Committee was set-up to actually spend time in these countries to look at the real issues.
    Today, we see that Mali, there has been some peace accord by the interim Government and the rebels in order that they can go for their elections on the 28th of July. The issue then at the Parliament, was that even as of May, Mali had not gone through putting in place the law for biometric registration. There were issues also with registration and it seemed they had not even started anything at all. Yet they were impressed upon by the international community, especially France to go for election at all cost in July.
    These are issues which if they do not take a good look at, there will be problems because there will be rush just to have an election and then if we do not take time, it will be botched. Guinea Bissau has its problems. It was found out that since its
    only four out of 15 States that hae problems, then West Africa is doing quite well. ECOWAS Parliament is playing a key role in ensuring that there is peace and security within the sub-region. The Country Reports that were put out by the various countries gave good account of what is hgappening in the area of the economies of our nations and in the area of social and political affairs as well as the area of governance.
    The only problem is taht when you look at the Country Reports, it looks like most of our countries are not going to be able to meet the deadline for the Millennium Development Goals. Also, the so much talked about monetary union. It does not look like we are going to be able to meet the deadline. The deadlined keeps going back. Even the primary convergence criterion, most countries have not been able to meet it.
    We have met just one, which is the single digit inflation. So, in all, I think that ECOWAS Parliament is doing a good job and I believe that this Report is very holistic on what has been done and what is happening within the sub-region and I urge Colleagues to read it and get a good sense of what is happening and how we can move forward in our integration efforts.
    Mr Speaker, with these few words, I will like to second the motion and urge all Colleagues to support the Report.
    Thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
    Thank you very much. Indeed, your words were few -- [Laughter].
    Yes, any more contributions?

    Question proposed.
    Mr Isaac K. Asiamah (NPP -- Atwima Mponua) 11:55 a.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion Number 4 on the floor.
    Mr Speaker, I have gone through the Report of our Community Parliament of ECOWAS on the Frist Ordinary Session of the Third Legislature of the ECOWAS Parliament held in Abuja, Nigeria from 6th to 21st May, 2013.
    My interest is on the Ghana Country Report as has been boldly highlighted.
    Mr Speaker, I think this is about Parliament for the ECOWAS sub-region, though as Hon Ayorkor Botchwey said, we do not actually have that or those powers that can be enforceable. But Mr Speaker, my concern was going to do with the reports emanating from member countries.
    I believe that even though we have given our Colleague Members the delegated functions or powers to work on our behalf or to speak on our behalf, my concern is that this is about a report emanating from a country and in this case, Ghana, and this Parliament should also have a way of debating issues before they are sent to ECOWAS Parliament. Mr Speaker, I have gone through the Report from our Hon Members here and I ask myself, where did they get this Report?
    If it is about reports from Ghana, this is the Parliament of Ghana and at least, this august House should have the benefit of debating these issues first before they go and speak on our behalf. Mr Speaker, look at the issues they have raised -- very important issues that they have raised. Mr Speaker, I do not think they did justice to us by eight of them sitting somewhere and just imagining things for 275 Members of Parliament and by extension, about 25 million Ghanaians.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 11:55 a.m.
    We have. As I did say that they have those delegated functions, we have given them -- fine -- [Interruption.]
    Ms Botchwey 11:55 a.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr Speaker, I heard the Hon Member say that “imagining things for 275 . . .” I do not think that we imagined the Report or the content of the Report and I think he should withdraw it.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, with respect to my Colleagues, I will honourably withdraw that statement. But Mr Speaker, the key operative word is “consultations” with other Colleague Members. She has never consulted me on any issue on ECOWAS -- [Interruption.]
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, a point of information to my Colleague.
    Mr Speaker, I think the point that he was making about the consultations before going to Abuja is important. However, the truth of the matter is that the agenda for the Sessions are not transmitted to the representatives before they leave their various countries.
    They give the agendas to them upon entering Nigeria and in respect of the Pan- African Parliament, upon entering South Africa. That is an anomaly, which perhaps, they may need to work on. However, Mr Speaker, if we related to our own circumstances, our own Parliament, we are into the fourth week, when did we have your agenda? These are drawbacks that we may have to work towards maybe, correcting.
    Mr Speaker, the other thing is, the Protocol clearly stipulates that even when -- [Interruption.] It is information. --
    [Laughter.] Parliament that elected them to represent us and indeed, the people of this country, the representatives are not subject to the direction of our Parliament. So, he would take that on board.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think my Senior Colleague and my Leader and the “Mugabe” on our side has really endorsed the concern that I raised. It is a legitimate concern that we must address; that we have every right to demand of our representatives of what they go and say there.
    Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am not unaware of the rippling effect of the description “Mugabe”. Mr Speaker, it is really pregnant with perjurative connotations -- [Uproar.] And it induces a push factor and my Colleague better advises himself. [Laughter.]
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that the best description is the “Margaret Thatcher” of our side. -- [Laughter.]
    Mr Speaker, I sincerely believe that those are issues, those are drawbacks that we should correct and I think the voices of Ghana, eight of them who are here should send those concerns from Ghana, that indeed, the agenda should be transmitted to them; they should have it first before they go there, so that we will debate the issues here.
    We would be able to enrich the inputs further; that is what I am saying, that in this Report, they have done well. I must commend the eight of them for doing this yeoman's job. But my concern is that at
    Mr Agbesi 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think the Minority Leader has tried to explain to my Colleague, the position of these eight representatives from Ghana. The Hon Member is an Hon Member of Parliament, he represents a constituency, and from his constituency, he comes to Accra and enters this House. At any time there is an issue, he gets up to make his contribution. He does not thereby go back to his constituency before making his point. [Interruptions.]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
    Order, order, order!
    Hon Members, can we allow him to land, then we will know what to do?
    Mr Agbesi 11:55 a.m.
    On page 13 of our Report, it is stated there that once the representatives reach Abuja, they are given the agenda and the agenda is stated there what they are supposed to do, and from the day they enter, they are supposed to present their country's report. There is no way that they can come back to Ghana, debate the agenda that is given to them in Abuja before they present their report.
    That is the scenario; just like any Hon Member who comes from his constituency to Accra, to Parliament, is faced with a situation where he must or she must report or talk on issues that concern all of us. That is the situation; so, my Colleague should take it on board that that is what happens in Abuja.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:55 a.m.
    I thought that the Hon Minority Leader made it very clear. They do not get the agenda before they get there. So, what we need to do, is to try and suggest to them that if it would be possible for the agenda to come ahead of their departure, then this Assembly could have a look at it before they leave. I think that should settle the matter.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 11:55 a.m.
    I think, as a young politician, the reason we have this backwardness in Africa are some of these things. Mr Speaker, I would not accept it in any way but in this modern era, we cannot send the agenda before the programme. Mr Speaker, what are the e- mails there for? We have modern means of communication.
    Ms Botchwey 11:55 a.m.
    Mr Speaker, I am a little confused. He is saying that we need to discuss the report here. Is it going to be at a Committee of the Whole, is it going to be a particular committee or is the Speaker going to set up an ad hoc committee to look at or to prepare the country report for us to take along? I am a little confused when he says, the whole House. Which platforms are we going to use to discuss this report or proposed report before it is all right for us to take with us? We really need to be practical.
    Dr Kwabena Donkor 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, question raised by the Hon Asiamah goes to the heart of representation, the theory of representation -- [Interruption] -- You are not the Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Please, go ahead.
    Prof. George Y. Gyan-Baffour 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, this is a very serious issue and we should not say that because we do not go to our constituencies to get information from them, we should not do this.
    The reason we do not do that is that, we do not have the facilities out there. We do not have an office, we do not have any information coming there.
    But coming to the House and even talking for ourselves, I think, is very wrong. We should be able to reflect on what is going on in our constituencies but because of the limitations, we are unable to do that. But in the case of this group, we are all here, we are only 275 and you can get us at any moment and discuss whatever you want to discuss with us. So, I think there is some merit in what he is saying and we should find a way to work it out.
    As Hon Ayorkor Botchwey is saying, yes, if we have to practicalise it, find a way to do that -- We do not just go into
    the ECOWAS Parliament and talk about anything when we do not know anything about it here, and you come back and report to us, to do what?
    Mr Dominic B. A. Nitiwul 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I want to plead that we should be very careful the expectations we have about our representatives at the various Parliaments. Ghana alone cannot control the processes of the ECOWAS Parliament. When one gets to the ECOWAS Parliament, the agenda about what they do there is not given to you before you reach there -- [Interruption] -- In fact, some of the topics --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Order! Order!
    Mr Nitiwul 12:05 p.m.
    In fact, the topics to be discussed, just like the African Parliament, reaches you when you get there. We can make that strong argument and that strong point that yes, it must change. But it must not look like it is the fault of our representatives. Mr Speaker, we should be careful because they are competent enough to represent us and we should trust them on that.
    Mr Speaker, that is the more reason we sent them there. Unless somebody says that until such a time that they are able to pick our views, they would not be able represent us adequately, I do not believe in that.
    Mr Speaker, so, let us all make that point strongly that, yes, the processes at the ECOWAS Parliament should change, but we should not castigate our represen- tatives.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon Members, let us have some order. I believe that, that is the way to go. If we should be able to urge the ECOWAS Parliament and in the same vein, probably, the Pan- African Parliament to let our representatives have the agenda before they get there, then we can fashion out a
    system whereby we can get some input from Hon Members of Parliament. Otherwise, we would keep debating this issue ad infinitum. I believe that we should bring that to an end and then Hon Asiamah, please, conclude your sub- mission.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, so, by your ruling, this is the position of Ghana from today, that we demand the agenda before the meeting. That is the conclusion from Mr Speaker, and I thank you.
    Mr Agbesi 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the request being made by the Hon Member is a serious matter -- it is a very serious matter. A delegation had left this House and what happened in the country where they went, they have brought a report on it. Mr Speaker, he is requesting that that report should be sent to the Foreign Affairs Ministry for examination or for what?
    The issue is that, that would show that this House has no confidence in the people they send out on delegations, which brings the matter very serious to the floor, that any delegation we send out, must come with a report, it is subjected to analysis at the Foreign Affairs Ministry, which is something which should not happen, Mr Speaker.
    I do not think that, that is good for our image because when we go to the Pan- African Parliament, we go to the ECOWAS Parliament, we are seen as able delegates,
    able representatives of our countries and so, when we do anything there, it is taken serious. We have submitted a report on the Election 2012 of Ghana. The issue that is pending at the Supreme Court, we have submitted a report on it. These are issues which other countries in West Africa have taken serious and they are examining.
    Now, he is saying that this should be submitted to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration? That is undermining what we went there to do. Mr Speaker, this should not be allowed to go on.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Yes, Hon Ayorkor Botchwey, please, let us hear you.
    Ms Botchwey 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, Hon Asiamah went on to say that the Report should be referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. I would want to take you through the different parts of a country report: -- Political situation, security situation, status of protocols and conventions, it has to do with the environment and climate change, level of implementation of the MDGs, ECOWAS sensitization programmes, we are looking at the economies, community levy and the like.
    Is Hon Asiamah saying that the Committee on Foreign Affairs should deal with all these things or we should fragment the Report and give it to the different committees to work on? When they do, what do they do with whatever they come out with?
    In any case, we are representatives and not delegates, and when one goes to the ECOWAS Parliament, one swears an Oath to be a Community Parliamentarian. The country reports are put together, so that the Parliament has a good idea of what exactly is the situation in all the various areas within the community, within the ECOWAS region. That is the essence of the country report.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 12:05 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, thank you once again for your ruling.
    Mr Speaker, but to answer some of the concerns raised, the Committee on Foreign Affairs does not only deal with foreign issues.
    Mr Speaker, it is an all encompassing committee and that is why when the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration speaks, she speaks about economic diplomacy or the security situation, all other issues --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:05 p.m.
    Hon Member, I have ruled and you know the procedure. I do not think you need to go any further.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 12:05 p.m.
    But Mr Speaker, the Committee must have the capacity to deal with all issues concerning our foreign relations. That is the essence of the Committee on Foreign Affairs -- [Interruption] --
    Moving forward, I am saying that I went through the issues and that is the more reason I would once again, suggest to you that before we adopt this Report, at least, there should be a Committee of the Whole to consider it before we come to the plenary. That is my concern and thank you, Mr Speaker.
    Mr David T. Assumeng (NDC -- Shai/ Osukodu) 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I would want to commend the delegation for the Report submitted. I think that this should apply to all the delegations that we have. They should do well to present reports to this House.
    Mr Speaker, I share in some portions of Hon Asiamah's comments. If you look at the Report, it centres on policies of Government and so, policies of Govern- ment must be presented in the way that it really portrays. So, I have the conviction that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration should be deeply involved in the preparation of the report of the delegation.
    Mr Nitiwul 12:15 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    First of all, Parliament would not allow its sovereignty to be taken away by the Executive; not at all. Neither would Parliament allow the Executive to interfere in its work.
    What is debated at the ECOWAS Parliament is not the policy of the Government of the Republic of Ghana; not at all. It is a country report. Not only that, there are things that are debated that

    affect the whole of West Africa. And the representatives have decided to report what has happened there as a country report. It is not the policies of Government; not at all.

    So, I disagree vehemently with his suggestion that we should let that be the stumbling block -- Parliament has sent a delegation and it has come to report. Let us take our decisions as a sovereign Parliament of the Republic of Ghana. We have separation of power, Mr Speaker.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Assumeng, after your contribution, I would like to take an input from the Hon Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration Minister, who fortunately, is here with us this morning. So, after yours, we would go to the Hon Minister.
    Mr Assumeng 12:15 p.m.
    I would be very grateful.
    So, on this note, I would want to yield to her to make her contribution.
    Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration (Ms Hannah Tetteh)(MP) 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I think that there is a clear distinction between the work of the ECOWAS Council and the ECOWAS Parliament.
    Executive meetings of the ECOWAS Council involve Ministers for Foreign Affairs, and the decisions of the ECOWAS Council are endorsed by the heads of Government. The ECOWAS Parliament is a completely different institution, that has the powers that we have decided to give it.
    I do not think that it is a question of oversight of the ECOWAS Parliament by the ECOWAS Council. I think that when we were establishing these structures, it was to ensure that the views within our community, and when I say “our community”, I am referring to the ECOWAS community, are sufficiently debated, not only by members of the Executive but giving the opportunity also to Hon Members of Parliament through the vehicle of the ECOWAS Parliament.
    But having said that, I think that the sense I get from the contribution of the earlier Hon Members who spoke, is that it is important that we have as a country, a coherent position. And maybe, we should explore opportunities for consultation, so that even when our members are taken by surprise, as it were, because the agenda is not given to them early in the day, we have some points of consensus on which, as a group -- when I say as a group, I mean the Committee of the Whole of this Parliament -- we have some agreement. And I think that really that should be the way that we should approach this going forward.
    It would be impossible for our representatives, given the current processes that are used within an organization like the ECOWAS Parliament, or for that matter, within the ECOWAS Council, to come back and to consult on every single issue before we make our input. And I think that we should give our representatives the confidence that we believed that they were people of substance, adequate to represent this Parliament before we decided to nominate them as our representatives.
    And as we now have the opportunity to debate their Report, wherever we feel that there are some gaps or additional issues that should be addressed, we bring
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    Ms Tetteh 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, on that note, I would like to go on and make my substantive contribution.
    I think the Hon Member has had enough opportunity and it is not fair that only he should hold hostage the proceedings of Parliament. I would kindly request that --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    I appreciate that. All the same, Hon Asiamah, is it on a point of order?
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I believe that I raised the issue. The issue is that we elected our Hon Members here and we have every confidence, we trust in their capacities and their competencies, nobody doubts them. But this is a concern coming from an Hon Member of Parliament and I have every right to raise that concern. That is the point I am making, that we elected them --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    I do not think that the Hon Minister said anything different from what you said. I am surprised that you should be up on your feet.
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, the concern I raised was not about the capacity of Hon Members who are representing us. It is about enriching the debates that go on there. That is why I raised the issue.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    She also spoke about the Committee of the Whole. Did you not talk about that?
    Mr I. K. Asiamah 12:15 p.m.
    I just wanted to correct that impression; it is very important.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Anyway. All right.
    Hon Minister, please, proceed.
    Ms Tetteh 12:15 p.m.
    Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
    I would like to speak to some of the issues that were raised in the Report, especially with regard to the enhance- ment of the powers of the ECOWAS Parliament.
    Mr Speaker, when we say that the ECOWAS Parliament would now be involved in co-decision-making with the ECOWAS Council, in a way, it gives greater legitimacy to the decisions that would be taken by the heads of Government. But it is important that when our representatives are speaking to those issues on which matters of co-decisions are taking place, there must be a way.
    That goes back to the issue of consultation, of understanding the sense of Ghana as a country, before we go ahead to make those specific interventions. And if I may elaborate a bit.
    Where you have a situation where you are now going to take decisions on matters affecting the budget of ECOWAS, and ultimately, are going to take decisions that are going to affect the expenditure within your national member States, it is important that we are very clear that these are things that we can go along with before we have additional financial burdens imposed upon us.
    This is because, you see Mr Speaker, the ECOWAS Parliament and the organs of ECOWAS are funded by the contributions of the member States.
    When you look at the example of the European Parliament, it is not necessarily the case that all member States have the same level of contribution.
    It is also not necessarily the case that all member States, necessarily, are in a position to be able to contribute in the same way. And therefore, when we are talking about the financial obligations of the Republic of Ghana vis-à-vis decisions made by this co-decision body, it is important that safeguard measures are put in place to ensure that our national interest is adequately addressed.
    Therefore, the consultation mechanism must be established, so that we are sure that whatever it is that is decided on, indeed, is reflective of the opinion of the country as a whole.
    Mr Speaker, I would also like to go on to the issue of the ECOWAS Trade Liberalization Scheme. This is because it is referred to -- free movement, the right of residence and the r ight of establishment. This, indeed, has been a thorny issue over the last couple of years and I am quite confident that as we discuss our new GIPC Bill, it is an issue that would be raised.
    Mr Speaker, when we go through the process of reviewing the Ghana Investment Promotion Centre Bill, I think it is important for us to make the distinction between ECOWAS citizens and non- ECOWAS citizens. This is because if we have agreed and signed onto particular protocols as ECOWAS, then necessarily, that must be reflected in our municipal law once those legislations are passed.
    But having said that, it is also important for our Colleagues within the ECOWAS community to recognise that the fact that the ECOWAS protocols that we have
    acceded to confer the Right of Establishment -- the Right of Establishment in itself, also comes with certain responsibilities.
    Specifically, Mr Speaker, the Protocol says that if you want to establish as an ECOWAS citizen within an ECOWAS member State, you should be treated as a citizen. But being treated as a citizen means, you must comply with the requirements a citizen is expected to comply with. That is, if a citizen is expected to formally register a business, you are expected to formally register a business.
    If a citizen is expected to register with the Ghana Revenue Authority (GRA) and make your contribution by way of the payment of income tax, corporate tax and also charge Value Added Tax (VAT) on whatever services or goods you are providing, you must do same.
    But it does not take away the responsibility of an ECOWAS citizen who wants to establish in a member State, to go ahead and also get a resident permit to legally reside in a member State. And it is not automatically as of right, because you must demonstrate that all of these other conditions have been fulfilled before you are able to benefit from that right.
    I think that if this position was adequately clarified by our Hon Members representing us in the ECOWAS Parliament, we would have less stress with foreigners who have come to establish from ECOWAS countries, in our country.
    I would like to suggest that the next time when they have the opportunity to engage on this matter, they do continue to emphasise the point, that it is not an automatic right that goes without its responsibilities, and we need to ensure that our Hon Members would do so.
    Ms Tetteh 12:15 p.m.
    Finally, Mr Speaker, I would also like to say that when it comes to peace and security within ECOWAS, the challenges that we have right now with terrorism -- because the situation in which we find ourselves in Mali, with the activities of Ansa al-Din, the National Movement for the Liberation of the Azawad (NMLA) and other rebel groups that created the state of crisis that we had at the beginning of the year, show clearly that we have a problem with the activities of Al Qaeda in Africa as well as Al Qaeda in Maghreb.

    12. 25 p.m.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Members, can we have some quite?
    Ms Tetteh 12:15 p.m.
    -- they make the issues of security, terrorism, counter-terrorism and intelligence sharing, a matter that should be high on the priority of the ECOWAS Parliament, so that we define regulations for being able to do this across the member States, so that it helps to inform ourselves and protect ourselves from these immediate security challenges that we continue to find as unfortunately the situation that evolves today.
    Mr Speaker, with those few words, I thank you for the opportunity.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    We are taking the last two.
    Mr Alexander K. Afenyo-Markin (NPP -- Effutu) 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity.
    Mr Speaker, before I go on with my contribution, I have made an observation and I need your guidance on that.

    The Hon Deputy Ministers for Information and Media Relations and Education are busily chewing some biscuits and nuts. I do not know whether it is allowable in this Chamber. [Interruption.] Hon Murtala Ibrahim and Hon Okudzeto Ablakwa, they are busily - - When the Hon Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration Minister was --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Member, I gave you the opportunity to make a contribution.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Very well. Mr Speaker, I needed your guidance first. Once that is done -- Yes, Mr Speaker, I wanted to know --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Please, go ahead and make your contribution.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I have gone through the Report of our representatives to the ECOWAS Parlia- ment, specifically on page 9 of the Ghana's Country Report, with respect and with your permission, I would like to quote: -- [Interruption.]
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Hon Members, can we have some order.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, under paragraph 7, Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) -- [Interruption]
    Mr Agbesi 12:15 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr Speaker, I think there was noise behind because the allegation made against the Hon Members, according to them, is not true. So, I would want my Hon Colleague to know that they are saying that they were not chewing anything. This is a House of record; this allegation made specifically against the Hon Deputy Ministers is totally not true.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Very well. Hon Member, I had no notice of it; they are denying it. I do not want us to go into these matters. That is why I said you just proceed with your contribution and let us make progress.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, he got up on a point of order --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    There are a lot of committee meetings waiting, so, let us wind-up.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with your permission, I beg to quote:
    “Given the persistent inequalities that exist even in the fact of significant reduction in poverty incidence, Government introduced interventions such as Savannah Accelerated Development Autho- rity (SADA) and the Livelihood Empowerment Against Poverty (LEAP) Programme, Micro Finance and Small Loans Scheme
    (MASLOC).”
    Mr Speaker, if you go to page 13, Specific Issues, the issue of the election petition at the Supreme Court is addressed and we see details of that. My concern here is that this Report has been presented to the ECOWAS Parliament. If a member country decides to come to Ghana to use our case, specifically, SADA or MASLOC, to implement in the their own country, is there any success story that we have?
    When the Hon Member for Shai/ Osudoku, Mr David Assumeng was making his contribution, he did state that we have to look at the reality on the ground. We know the challenges that we are having with these interventions. Government invested so much and to date, SADA has not been able to tell the people of Ghana what they have done on the
    guinea fowl project, the tree planting and the tractor -- [Interruption.] -- the MASLOC -- [Hear! Hear!] Mr Speaker, nothing is there to show for -- So, we need --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Another Hon Member has the floor -- Hon Assumeng.
    Mr Assumeng 12:15 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr Speaker, I did say that we must face reality. But there is some kind of mischief in the point he is raising. [Interruption.] It is not in relation to what SADA has done. He must withdraw that statement because that is not -- [Interruption.] He is not relating to the subject matter and so, I think that he needs to withdraw that statement.
    Dr Ahmed Y. Alhassan 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I respect the Hon Member's opinions on SADA. But it is one thing deciding not to listen to what has been said about SADA, and quite another, listening and making some deductions out of it.
    I believe he is either not listening or something else is wrong. I do not think that — This Report is not to discuss SADA or any other -- It is simply to report initiatives of Government to the rest of West Africa on poverty reduction measures being undertaken in this country. The issue of its failures or successes would certainly depend on us. And I believe that the Hon Member should, I think, take us off the path of mischief and do something realistic.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, with respect, yesterday, the Hon Member for Mion raised a similar point of order. But he took the opportunity to only talk about the acquisition of his PhD. So, on this occasion, again, I would ignore the matter and proceed because he has not really addressed the issue --
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I take a cure from it.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Go ahead with your contribution.
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    So, my submission on the floor is that, since on page 13, details of the election petition are given, on these social intervention projects, as a policy, once we are presenting it to the ECOWAS Parliament, it is important we give details.
    I am not attempting any mischief here. What I am trying to draw attention to, for which I expect all Hon Members to embrace, is that such policies must be seen to be being implemented realistically and success-fully. I am not from the North, but I am interested in the project --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    Your point on that, it should have been well made. Can you go to the next?
    Mr Afenyo-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Very well Mr Speaker.
    Mr Speaker, the same goes for MASLOC. The details of the success stories and the failures ought to also be highlighted, because if this --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:15 p.m.
    That one is also well made; move on. [Laughter.]
    Mr Afeyno-Markin 12:15 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there have been two points of order at the same time.
    Mr Speaker, however, if this is what has been so presented, I would urge that in future, specific details ought to be given, so that we do not get embarrassed when member countries bring delegations here to see the success story, they get disappointed.
    Mr Speaker, on this note, I thank you.
    Mr Emmanuel K. Bedzrah (NDC -- Ho West) 12:35 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to the Motion.
    First of all, let me congratulate our Hon Colleague who has been elected as the Fourth Deputy Speaker of the ECOWAS Parliament and those who have also been elected as Bureaux Members.
    Mr Speaker, I have three issues on this Report. The first one is about the Community Report that was presented to us, that is, the country report from Ghana. I would suggest that next time when our Hon Colleagues are coming back, they should also bring other country reports, which should be attached to their report, to enable us know what is going on in the various ECOWAS countries, so that it will not be just our country but other communities within the ECOWAS sub- region.
    The next one is about national Parliaments becoming electoral colleges responsible for electing Members to become Members of the ECOWAS Parliament. I do not know whether that decision has been taken, but from the Report, it looks as if it has not yet been taken and we are to debate it.
    I think it will not do us all any good to take that responsibility of constituting ourselves into an electoral college. In Ghana, we have the Electoral Commission that does that for us. And for us to take that opportunity or responsibility of becoming an electoral college and electing, not Members of our national Parliament, but electing civilians from outside Parliament to become Members of ECOWAS Parliament --
    rose
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon Pelpuo, is it on a point of order?
    Alhaji Pelpuo 12:35 p.m.
    Yes, Mr Speaker.
    I appreciate the points my Hon Colleague is making but he just made a point which does not appear to be the spirit of the Report here.
    Constituting an electoral college is not the job of the Electoral Commission. It is a method by which a group, rather than the whole, can elect a representative to reflect the wishes of the whole. That method can be supervised by the Electoral Commission. It is not about the supervision here, but it is about the electoral college representing the bigger community.
    I would want to put that on record. I know that is not what he means, but just to make sure that we are on the right scheme.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Thank you very much.
    Hon Member, can you just wind up?
    Mr Bedzrah 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, in winding up, I think the ECOWAS Parliament has done some good, especially when you read the Report on harmonizing the weights of the various trucks.
    You will notice that going to even Nigeria, is a problem now. You get there and they want to search you, take money
    Dr A. A. Osei 12:35 p.m.
    On a point of order.
    Mr Speaker, I know the Hon Member means well, but we are talking about a different country in the spirit of ECOWAS. When you make a statement like “When you go to Nigeria, they take money from you.” I think it is too much. I think the Hon Member should --
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    I think the point is proper. I think you will have to withdraw it.
    Mr Bedzrah 12:35 p.m.
    Thank you, Mr Speaker.
    I withdraw that one.
    But the harassments that we go through when we go to some of these communities that are close to Ghana, are things that when our Hon Colleagues go, they should drum them home and let other communities know that when we go to their countries, we are harassed and we do not have free movement in those countries.
    With these few words, Mr Speaker, I thank you.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon Members, the Motion has been moved and seconded, there has been some debate, I intend to put the Question.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    Resolved accordingly.
    Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:35 p.m.
    Hon Deputy Majority Leader, we are in your hands.
    Mr Alfred K. Agbesi 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, there are a lot of committees scheduled to meet after adjournment and the Majority is also going to have a meeting thereafter.
    On this basis, I beg to move, that this House do adjourn till tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock.
    Dr A. A. Osei 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I looked at the Order Paper and there are no committees scheduled to meet after adjournment. They are scheduled to meet in the morning and not after adjournment. So, I do not know where he is getting that information from. [Interruption.] No! But he is making reference to the Order Paper and the statement he has made is incorrect. He should look at the time on the Order Paper; it is 9.45 a.m.
    Mr Agbesi 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, this House has been sitting since 10 o'clock and

    committees billed to meet at 9.00 a.m. or 10.00 a.m. could not have met, so after adjournment, these committees will definitely meet.

    If he wants me to correct the statement, yes, “committees will meet”. Those who could not meet at 9.00 a.m. or 10.00 a.m. are going to meet after adjournment.

    Mr Speaker, I beg to move.
    Mr Dominic B. A. Nitiwul 12:35 p.m.
    Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion.
    Question put and Motion agreed to.
    ADJOURNMENT 12:35 p.m.

  • The House was accordingly adjourned at 12.41 p.m. till Friday, 21st June, 2013 at 10.00 a.m.