Debates of 4 Dec 2018

MR FIRST DEPUTY SPEAKER
PRAYERS 10:32 a.m.

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICIAL REPORT 10:32 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:32 a.m.
Hon Members, correction of Votes and Proceedings of Monday, 3rd December,
2018.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:32 a.m.
Item numbered 3, Questions.
Mr Matthew Nyindam 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, with the Urgent Questions, could we take item numbered 3(b)? The Hon Minister for Communications is not in yet. So with your leave, if we could move to item numbered 3(b) while we wait for her.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Haruna Iddrisu 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, understandably, Prof. Gyan-Baffour is here. I see the Hon Minister for Local Government and Rural Development. But I wish to remind the First Deputy Majority Whip that it is not part of our res- ponsibility as a Parliament, when we invite a Minister, to wait for him.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:32 a.m.
Hon Minister for Planning, you may take your seat.
Hon Member for Wa West, Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh, you may ask your Urgent Question.
URGENT QUESTIONS 10:32 a.m.

MINISTRY OF PLANNING 10:32 a.m.

Minister for Planning (Prof. G . Y. Gyan-Baffour) 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, on 18 th September, 2018, Cabinet approved the 2018 National Population Policy. This policy document revised the 1994 National Population Policy, which replaced the 1969 Population Policy. The 1969 Population Policy was the first National Population Policy.
Mr Speaker, the National Population Council Secretariat is in the process of printing copies of the 2018 National Population Policy document which will be submitted to Parliament by the end of January 2019, to guide Members on discussions on population issues.
Mr Speaker, the National Population Council's Eight Year Strategic Plan (2017- 2024) has been completed and will be brought to Parliament before the House rises.
Mr Chireh 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister is talking about printing before distribution to Hon Members. When would this happen?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:32 a.m.
Which of the two are you talking about? In each case, he has given an indication. The first one is January and this one he says before Parliament rises, which is December.
Mr Chireh 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am asking him -- January could come and nothing comes. What specific dates is he talking about?
Prof. Gyan-Baffour 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, by the end of January means by 30th January,
2019.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Chireh 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister knows that population policy and development policy are joint efforts. He brought and introduced to this House a coordinated plan of development by the President. Nothing was said about population then. Why did he do that? [Laughter]
Prof Gyan-Baffour 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I did not do that. [Laughter]
When we go into that coordinated programme, we would see the population projections which we used in doing the calculations. So it is in the coordinated programme and the Hon Member may actually go in there and look at the coordinated programme.
This is because before one arrives at the per capita income, he must have assumed a certain population growth rate. That is why I am saying that it is in there. So the Hon Member could go in there and look for it.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Chireh 10:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, when he was talking about --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Hon Member, you have exhausted your three questions. Have you not?
Mr Chireh 10:42 a.m.
No, this is the last one.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
No, you asked when and you --
Mr Chireh 10:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg you. [Laughter]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
All right, I would grant you the leave to ask your question.
Mr Chireh 10:42 a.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, you would live long. [Laughter]
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister talked about the strategic plan, but I did not get to understand who does what before it is brought here. Which agency does what? I would want the specific agency, so that I would follow up.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Prof. Gyan-Baffour 10:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the strategic plan, which is different from the policy document that I am referring to, is being done by the National Population Council, and as I said, it is ready, and I would bring it to the House before we rise.
Mr Speaker, this is a copy of it.

Hon Minister, thank you for attending upon the House to answer the Questions. You are discharged.

Hon Members, I would move on to item numbered 4 -- Questions.

I would take Question numbered 447, which stands in the name of Mr Richard Mawuli Kwaku Quashigah, the Hon Member for Keta.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 10:42 a.m.

MINISTRY OF HEALTH 10:42 a.m.

Minister for Health (Mr Kwaku Agyeman-Manu) 10:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, because of the small, small noises that I was hearing from the Minority Leadership, I could not hear the Question very well.
Minister, the phrase 10:42 a.m.
“small, small noises” is unparliamentary.
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I did not hear the Question very well, so, I wanted the Hon Member to repeat his Question.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Hon Minister, the Question is on your Order Paper, but Hon Quashigah, you may please read it for the Hon Minister again.
Mr Quashigah 10:42 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise to ask the Hon Minister for Health, the number of new health workers that have been engaged from 2017 till now.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:42 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, the Ministry of health has engaged twenty-seven thousand, five hundred and twenty health professionals from January 2017 to October, 2018.
The breakdown is as follows:
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Mr Quashigah 10:42 a.m.
Thank you, Mr
Speaker.
Mr Speaker, I observed that in 2018, nurses, (certificates, diploma and degree) only six were recruited, but in the same year, we had the recruitment of rotation nurses, who I believe are largely students, who are on National Service et cetera, because that is what rotation means. The Ministry engaged 8042 of them.
Mr Speaker, looking at the Budget Statement for 2018, it reflected on paragraph 703, page 126, and with your permission I beg to quote. It says:
“The training and skill building of the health workforce is primary to the achievement of the goals of the health sector. In this respect, the Ministry approved the recruitment of 15,667 staff, comprising 11,573 nurses, 247 doctors, 1,883 support staff, 938 allied health staff and 14 physician assistants…”
Mr Speaker, my question is, in total, they were supposed to have recruited 15,000, which was a short fall of what they actually engaged in 2017.
Mr Speaker, I would therefore want to know whether the rotational nurses who were included were also part of the people that the Ministry considered employees of the whole sector.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Hon Minister, are you clear on the question?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:42 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I believe my Hon Colleague would do me a better job if he goes over his question for my understanding, because it was a little bit blurred. I can, however, answer the last question about the rotation nurses, if that would satisfy him.
Mr Speaker, rotation nurses are part of our recruitment exercise. When they are in school, we do not pay them salaries and when they leave college, we put them on National Service or nurses' salary proper.
Therefore, they come into our payroll. So we count them as part of the recruitments that we have done. So, please, they are on our payroll.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Mr Quashigah 10:42 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister said that rotation nurses are part of their recruitment, but indeed, he also indicated that they are National Service persons. I would want to find out if in 2017 the rotation nurses have actually been put on the payroll, because like he said, the Ministry is supposed to include them on their payroll.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:42 a.m.
Yes, Hon Minister?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:42 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, in 2017, it was like we were in transition. The Ministry had stopped recruiting or putting them on anything. So when we joined in 2017, we were also working on their numbers to see how we could post them.
And we could only succeed in getting them to be put on our payroll in 2018. So some of them actually sat home for a while before they even got the opportunity to come to do the clinicals they do during the rotation.
Mr Quashigah 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to find out from the Hon Minister, out of the 8042, which he claims they normally would have been absorbed into the service, how many of them have actually been absorbed into NABCO and how many do they intend to absorb?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am afraid I would not be able to give my Hon Colleague figures from NABCO. They just started getting their things done and we do not got numbers yet.
So I could only give what actually has been put on payroll and probably at a later time when we get returns, I could come back and give him —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Hon Minister, no, he is asking whether any of these figures that you have given here are from NABCO.
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the answer is no.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Yes, Hon Yieleh Chireh?
Mr Chireh 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to find out the meaning of ‘rotation nurses from the Hon Minister. This is because any trained person who is on rotation, means the person is a student and he is moving from department to department. But he is now talking about rotation nurses.
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I believe my Hon Colleague has even described what rotation nurses are.
It is a technical term in the Ministry for those who have finished college and, like I said earlier, are put on practical training again for a year even after their licensure examination before we recruit and post them properly. That is what we mean by rotation nurses in the Ministry.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Asawase?
Alhaji Muntaka 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I just want to get clarity. In the Hon Minister's Answer, he said that when the nurses are on rotation, they are put on the Ministry's payroll and paid full salary.
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, when they are on rotation, they are on the Ministry's payroll.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Alhaji Muntaka 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister knows that national service after the licensure examination. Are they on the national service payroll or on the payroll of the Ministry of Health?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would insist and continue to say that they are on the Ministry's payroll. We pay them more than the national service allowance. So, they are not doing national service but because we have not recruited them fully, that is why they say they are doing national service or they are on rotation.
They do not even like to be called national service personnel. And that is the technical term we use in the Ministry for them. They are on the Ministry's payroll.
Mr Ebenezer Okletey Terlabi 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, if they are on the Ministry's payroll, then when do they do their national service?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, they would not do national service again.
Ras Mubarak: Mr Speaker, I would like to find out from the Hon Minister if the recruitments by the Ministry are replacements or new jobs? And if they are replacements, what is the number that have quit their job?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Hon
Member, you could file your Question. This is not coming out of the Hon Minister's Answer.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minister for Local Government?
Mr Augustine Collins Ntim 10:52 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. May I find out from the Hon Minister for Health whether he is able to tell how many health personnel were engaged in 2015/2016 and how it compares to that of 2016/2017?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Sorry, Hon Member, your voice was low; did you say about 2015/2016?
Mr Ntim 10:52 a.m.
Yes, and how does that compare?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
I do not think it comes out of this Question. You could file your own Question if you so desire. [Laughter.]
Yes, Hon Appiah-Kubi?
Dr Kojo Appiah-Kubi 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Hon Minister's response to the Question, I could see on page 29 that he has listed some categories of health professionals for 2017 and 2018. I would like him to go back a bit so that we could see the employment of health pro- fessionals over time. Could he just give us for the period 2015/2016/2017?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Hon Member, file your own Question.[Laughter.]
Yes, Hon Member?
Dr Mark Kurt Naawane 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would like to know whether the Hon Minister would subtract the number of rotational nurses within a year, from the
number that he claims have been employed. This is because they would automatically lose their job after a year.
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would not subtract but in the breakdown, apart from the rotational nurses' column, we have column for nurses: certificates, diploma and degree holders who were also employed and I believe that answers my Hon Colleague's question.
In 2017, we did actually recruit outside the rotation enclave 12,130. In 2018, we have done only at yet. We are processing now to recruit some more and I believe they would finish processing probably before the end of the year or early part of next year.
Mr Speaker, I do not want to go back into the previous times, but we all are aware that those days, we were not recruiting nurses.
Thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Hon Ntoso?
Ms Helen Adjoa Ntoso 10:52 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker for the opportunity. I would like to know from the Hon Minister; he says the nurses would not do national service and they are on the Ministry's payroll. May I know from him the number of years that they would be rotational nurses and when they would be absorbed?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, they get absorbed automatically after the one- year rotation.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 10:52 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Daboya?
Mr Mahama Shaibu 10:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am most grateful. May I know from the Hon Minister whether the number for the nurses include privately trained nurses and government assisted schools and if so, what are the numbers?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the policy in the Ministry was non- recruitment of privately trained nurses. That was the policy I met in the Ministry.
We are now trying to adjust the paradigm shift to see how best we could also encourage some of them who were trained in the private schools to join those who were trained in the public schools.
Mr Patrick Yaw Boamah 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I need some clarification from the Hon Minister for Health. I have not seen anything on mental health. I want to find out from the Hon Minister whether they recruited anybody in that space.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:02 a.m.
Hon Minister, did your breakdown include mental health nurses?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the recruitment includes mental health nurses and they have their specialities. What I did not do was to break them down into their specialties. I think I would have gone to too much infinitesimal work. So the nurses who were recruited include mental health nurses and other specialist nurses.
Alhaji Muntaka 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the table provided by the Hon Minister indicates that from 2017 to 2018, a number of medical officers were employed. There were also nurses and others. I want to find out if this number includes persons who completed school in 2017 and 2018?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, this is a difficult question for me to disintegrate. What we do is that for medical officers, the moment they complete school, we seek financial clearance and try to absorb all of them.
We have been having some delays with financial clearance, so some are from 2017 and others from 2018, depending on when they were inducted and how quickly we got financial clearance. So I cannot be very specific with numbers as to how many were from 2017 or 2018.
Mr Muhammed Abdul-Samed Gunu 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, may I know from the Hon Minister whether those engaged were freshly completed or they were a backlog of students who were engaged?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:02 a.m.
The Hon Minister has answered that question already.
Majority Leadership, do you want to ask a question, otherwise I would discharge him. No? Very well.
Mr Ahmed Ibrahim 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, listening to the Hon Minister's Answer, he categorically said that he did not want to go to the previous days because in those days, nurses were not recruited.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:02 a.m.
Hon Member, do you want him to answer the question, because I refused that he goes back? Now, you are finding a backdoor to bring matters which I wanted to avoid. I am sure that you could meet him outside and discuss that with him. He would give you the details, otherwise, file your own Question.
Question number 461 in the name of Dr Mark Kurt Nawaane of Nabdam?

Nabdam

Dr Mark Kurt Nawaane asked the Minister for Health when the arrears owed health facilities in the Nabdam District by the National Health Insurance Authority would be paid.
Minister for Health (Dr Kwaku Agyeman-Manu) 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the NHIA has no separate district of Nabdam. The NHIS corresponding district is Talensi- Nabdam. There are currently 21 credentialed providers under the Talensi- Nabdam NHIS District.
1 GHS Primary Hospital
5 GHS Health Centres
10 GHS CHPS
1 CHAG Health Centre
2 CHAG CHPS
1 Private Health Centre
1 Private Laboratory
The NHIA pays approximately GH¢ 180,000 monthly to the providers in this area. We had expected to have paid all 2017 claims by now. A reconciliation exercise shows that the NHIA-GHS-World Bank project has led to some missing payments for CHPS and Health Centres which are being rectified now.
The last payment made to Talensi- Nabdam District was Friday 16th November, 2018, in the sum of
GHS¢589,849.93.
Dr Nawaane 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Answer given, it is written that a recon- ciliation exercise shows that the NHIA- GHS-World Bank project has led to some
health centres which are being rectified now. That has led to the NHIA owing facilities between 10 to 18 months in my district.
What should such health facilities do, considering the fact that they do not have other sources of revenue?
Mr Agyeman-Manu 11:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I have actually listed the type of facilities in Talensi-Nabdam District. There is only one GHS primary hospital. All the rest are either CHPS compounds or health centres.
The information my Hon Colleague tried to use to ask his question, that we owe 10 to 18 months is not correct. I mentioned that the NHIA-GHS-World Bank project had led to some missing payments for some of the CHPS compounds and not all.
The project is something that we are utilising to ensure that facilities at the primary care level are endowed with money to run all the time. The World Bank is assisting the NHIA to tease out some items we have identified as double payments to the facilities at the primary care level.
The Ministry, together with the World Bank, is running a project called M-CHP. Services provided at these CHPS compounds and health centres are four in number. They do home visits, durbars and outreaches called off-site visits and sit in their facilities for people to visit.
The World Bank automatically trans- fers money to them for the home visits, durbars and outreaches. So what they should actually reimburse from health insurance is just the on-site visits. When we identify some money that we programmed within the M-CHP enclave, the World Bank accepted to even pay the arrears in these facilities.
Then we identified these double payments that were going on and decided to reconcile with them and just pay for their medicines at that level so that we could also continue giving them money that they deserve to run the facilities.
Mr Speaker, as I speak, that programme is being run and not a single CHPS compound or health centre could talk about arrears, because it is not running. They all have some level of finances that are being utilised to run the facilities.
Dr Nawaane 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to defer a little from the Hon Minister. This is because I know that Petanga, Zalerego, and Nangode Health Centres have been paid up to last year June.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister agrees with me that NHIA owes these facilities, but I would want to know if there could be a time line for settlements of these arrears?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Hon Member, from the Answer the Hon Minister gave, there was no admission that there is any arrears, so I wonder where you picked the ‘'admission'' from.
Dr Nawaane 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the missing payments are arrears.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Hon Minister, I thought you just explained that there were double payments, so it would be reconciled. Is that not what you explained? Please, kindly explain further.
Mr Agyeman-Manu 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I would have to defer this question and come back at a later time when I have had enough information on it.
This is because as far as I am aware, because of the World Bank programme that we are running, I singled out the one district hospital in the area. What I said was that we give moneys to them on monthly basis through the District Health Directorates for the primary care facilities to continuously run without any hin- drance of any challenge.
Mr Speaker, I also mentioned that because of the reconciliation that is being done, they might have some of their arrears that were met still missing and have not been settled, but we cannot pay double until that reconciliation is finished. As soon as that is completed, we would get that done.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Hon Member, this is constituency-specific Question, so, you have no interest in it.
Hon Minister, thank you for attending upon the House. You are discharged.
Hon Deputy Majority Whip, there are three more Questions.
Mr Nyindam 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, with your leave, if we could take Question numbered 464 instead of 460.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Very well.
Question numbered 464 which stands in the name of Mr Simon Acheampong Tampi who is the Hon Member for Tatale/ Sanguli?
MINISTRY OF LOCAL 11:12 a.m.

GOVERNMENT AND RURAL 11:12 a.m.

DEVELOPMENT 11:12 a.m.

Minister for Local Government and Rural Development (Hajia Alima Mahama) 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Tatale /Sanguli District is one of the forty-two (42) Municipal and District Assemblies created in March, 2012.
The office complex for the Tatale/ Sanguli District Assembly was awarded at a contract sum of one million, four hundred and fifty eight thousand, six hundred and sixty four Ghana cedis, sixty three pesewas (GH¢1,458,664.63) to Ayouni Limited. Work commenced on 10th July, 2014 and the project was expected to be completed in April, 2016.
Mr Speaker, the project is now complete and the Consultants (Akuffo & Asso- ciates) have carried out completion inspection and certified that work was satisfactory. Consequently, the Ministry was notified of the intended handing over of the project on Friday, 16th November,
2018.
Mr Speaker, the office complex was handed over to the District Assembly on 21st November, 2018.
Thank you.
Mr Tampi 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, my Question was basically to find out why work had not been completed, but the Question has stayed for almost a year now, so it has outlived its usefulness.
Mr Speaker, thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Hon Member, so, you should not have asked
it then. You should have just acknow- ledged them. Do you acknowledge that it has been handed over to the administration?
Mr Tampi 11:12 a.m.
Yes, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Very well.
Hon Minister, thank you for attending upon the House to answer the Question. You are discharged.
Hon Members, Question numbered
460 --
Yes, Hon Deputy Majority Whip?
Mr Nyindam 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minister for Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs is out of the jurisdiction, but the Hon Deputy Minister is in the House, so, with your permission and the leave of the House, if he could be allowed to answer the Question on behalf of the Hon Minister.
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Mr Nyindam 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am sure Hon Muntaka does not have any problem with that, so he should sit down.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Hon Minority Chief Whip?
Alhaji Muntaka 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, my Hon Colleagues knows that I would definitely have an issue.
Mr Speaker, on a very serious note, this is time we would consider the individual Budget Estimates for the Ministries and yet, Hon Ministers could find time to travel and leave the consideration of the Budget Estimates and
ask their Hon Deputy Ministers to attend upon the House, and yet we are asked to Sit even on Saturdays.
Mr Speaker, there should be some equity and fairness in the way the Executive treats this House. Whereas I would not have an objection to the Hon Deputy Minister to Answer the Question, I hope that my Hon Colleague, the Hon Deputy Majority Whip would send the right signal to the Chief of Staff.
Hon Ministers cannot travel at the time of Budget Estimates. We would not allow any Hon Deputy Minister to answer Questions on Budget Estimates. The Hon Ministers should be available, so that it would justify why we are asked to come and Sit on Saturdays.
Mr Speaker, I have no objections to the Hon Deputy Minister answering the Question.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Hon Deputy Minister for Chieftaincy and Religious Affairs, kindly, take the seat.
Mr Nyindam 11:12 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I should not respond to the Hon Deputy Minority Chief Whip because he has admitted that the Hon Deputy Minister should be allowed to answer the Question, but this is not Budget Estimates. This has nothing to do with the Budget Estimate.
I would want to assure him that we would work hard to make sure that Hon Ministers come to the House to defend their Budget Estimates.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:12 a.m.
Question numbered 460 stands in the name of Hon Eric Afful; Hon Member for Amenfi West.
MINISTRY OF CHIEFTAINCY AND 11:22 a.m.

RELIGIOUS AFFAIRS 11:22 a.m.

Mr E. Afful 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister has given a thorough and detailed Answer to my Question. I am even surprised that, as of September, 2018, 383 cases were pending, and he has enumerated various ways in trying to resolve these disputes.
My question is, can he give us an estimated time when these cases would be resolved, since they are com- pounding?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:22 a.m.
Hon Member, he cannot. The Ministry is not part of the adjudication process, and when it comes to court processes, the lawyers would tell you that you cannot determine that.
As you can see, the numbers are increasing because the people are fighting. And so he cannot give you — That is not a fair question to ask the Hon Deputy Minister.
If you have another question, please ask.
Mr E. Afful 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am all right for now. Thank you.
Mr R. Acheampong 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, reading through the Answer provided by the Hon Deputy Minister at page 31 of the Order Paper, he says, and I beg to quote:
“Mr Speaker, the reason that accounts for the challenge that impede the disposition of chief- taincy matters include;
a) Inadequate funding for specific adjudication of cases before the various judicial committees.”
Mr Speaker, I would like to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister if he has resolved the financial issues so that he can address those resolutions put forward for 2019, in respect of chieftaincy matters?
Mr Essien 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker that was why I said we are looking forward to this Budget Estimates, that there would be an increase in our allocation. We are all right, but we are still writing and calling on you to also speak on our behalf. But it is at least better than last year and so we are a bit all right.
Mr S. Mahama 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I am most grateful. In the Minister's Answer on page 31, he enumerates steps being taken to ensure that cases before the judicial committees are expeditiously dealt with. And he goes further to say;
“a) recruit lawyers for the Regional Houses of Chiefs, that is four lawyers for Eastern, Central, Volta and Ashanti Houses of Chiefs”.
Mr Speaker, he has conspicuously left out Brong Ahafo, Western, Greater Accra, Upper West, Upper East and Northern Regions. Do they have lawyers already in these regions, or have they intentionally left them out? May we know why they have left out those other regions?
Mr Essien 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we have lawyers in those regions and the other regions which do not have cases are the ones we are looking up to now.
Mr Albert A. Alalzuuga 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Answer to the Question on page 32, the Hon Deputy Minister says in paragraph (d), and I beg to quote:
“We are encouraging the use of Alternate Dispute Resolution Mechanism as part of the process of speedy disposition of cases.”
Mr Speaker, I would like to ask the Hon Deputy Minister what specific actions they are putting in place to encourage this Alternative Dispute Resolution?
Mr Essien 11:22 a.m.
Mr Speaker, looking at the cases of the disputes that arise every day and night, we realised that if we do not adopt other methods but stick to the old ways of resolving issues, probably cases may be compounded.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Okaikoi Central?
Mr Patrick Yaw Boamah 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, my question is based on the Answer provided by the Hon Deputy Minister on page 31 regarding “b) inadequate number of counsel for the Regional and National Houses of Chiefs” .
Mr Speaker, article 273 (3) reads 11:32 a.m.
“A Judicial Committee of a National House of Chiefs shall be assisted by a lawyer of not less than ten years' standing appointed by the National House of Chiefs on the recommendation of the Attorney- General.”
I would want to know from the Hon Deputy Minister if he has made the necessary application to the Attorney- General for support and if so, what has been her response?
I thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Essien 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we have made the application to the Attorney-General so that they can also be of help, to give us the experienced counsel to be at various Houses of Chiefs to see to matters of dispute resolution.
We are working hand-in-hand all the time to see to it that all these things are resolved and they are responding to our request.
Mr Speaker, I thank you.
Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, in the Hon Deputy Minister's Answer on page 32 of the Order Paper, he says:
“a) recruit lawyers for the Regional Houses of Chiefs that is four lawyers for Eastern, Central, Volta and Ashanti Houses of Chiefs”.
Is the Hon Minister saying that they do not have any counsel for these already or they would want to recruit four additional counsel for these Regional Houses of Chiefs?
Mr Essien 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we do not have for the four regions mentioned here and that is the reason we are making the recruitment. It even comes back to the question the Hon Member asked earlier.
That is the reason we have made so many applications to the Attorney-General requesting for those counsel to be posted to those areas. So we do not have it at those regions and that is why we categorically stated it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Member, I would give the last bite to you.
Mr Ebenezer Okletey Terlabi 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for that opportunity.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Member, that is not arising out of this Question.
Mr Terlabi 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister has given us an indication of the number of lawyers they would want to recruit for Eastern, Central, Volta and Ashanti Regions.
There was a question about leaving out Brong Ahafo Region and the answer was that Brong Ahafo Region has lawyers. My question is that since Greater Accra was not mentioned, how many lawyers do they have now?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Member, if you would want to find out about Greater Accra, ask a Question.
Frankly, the Answer was too generous. The Question was related to Western Regional House of Chiefs but they went out to provide answers to cover wide areas, including the four regions listed. Otherwise, those questions would not have been admissible. So find out for Greater Accra and advise us.
Hon Deputy Minister, I thank you for attending upon the House to answer Questions. You are discharged.
Hon First Deputy Majority Whip?
Mr Nyindam 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, we may go
back to item numbered 3(a). With your permission and leave, the Hon Deputy Minister for Communications is here to answer the Urgent Question on behalf of his substantive Minister.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Very well.
The Urgent Question stands in the name of Hon Emmanuel Kwasi Bedzrah, Hon Member for Ho West.
URGENT QUESTIONS 11:32 a.m.

MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 11:32 a.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Members, this is an Urgent Question on provision of services to the House and you are talking. Would Hon James Agalga take his seat? [Laughter]
The Usher standing with his back to me should kindly take his seat.
Hon Second Deputy Majority Whip, Mr Moses Anim, kindly take your seat and listen to the Answer so that you stop harassing Leaders about the quality of your Wi-Fi in the House.
Hon Deputy Minister, please explain to us why your services have fallen below the standard.
Deputy Minister for Communications (Mr Vincent Sowah Odotei): Mr Speaker, yes, the Ministry of Communications is aware of the challenges of the network here and it has been investigated. The issue is a two prong problem which is as follows.
The first one is as a result of fibre cut at the premises of Parliament, as a result of the construction work going on on the premises now. Secondly, there were technical challenges on the network which slowed down the process.
Mr Speaker, the fibre cut has since been successfully repaired and as a solution to the network challenges, we are

in the process of migrating Parliament to a new network by Thursday, the 6th of December, 2018, to ensure that the standard quality is restored.

I thank you.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Hon Bedzrah, are you still the Chairman of the Government Assurances Committee
(GAC)?
Mr Bedzrah 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, yes.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:32 a.m.
Very well. Kindly finish asking your questions and I would see what --
Mr Bedzrah 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, the GAC would take note of this assurance that the service would be improved by Thursday.
Mr Speaker, I have in my hand the contract agreement between Parliament and the Hon Deputy Minister's Agency. In clause 10 of the service contract, they are supposed to provide the necessary --
Mr Speaker, I crave your indulgence to read 11:32 a.m.
“Where it becomes necessary to interrupt the service for operational reasons, Parliament shall be notified in writing at least one working day in advance.”
Mr Speaker, as far as I am concerned, the Ministry of Communications or NITA has not written to Parliament. I would want to find out from the Hon Deputy Minister why NITA has not written to Parliament for the interruption of our network service?
Mr Odotei 11:32 a.m.
Mr Speaker, as the Hon Colleague rightly said, this service is being provided by NITA and so we need
to get them to tell us why they have actually not informed us and written to you to inform you of the challenges that we are having.
This is because the network challenge that we have was quite a serious challenge which I agree they should have informed you. So I would get back to them.
Mr Speaker, but as I said, by Thursday, the whole of Parliament would be migrated unto a new network which is more secure to ensure that we continue to enjoy the high quality service.
Mr Speaker, I thank you.
Mr Bedzrah 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I also have in my hand receipt for payment from Parliament, which means that Parliament does not owe them. Our expectation is that since we do not owe them, they would make an alternative arrangement for us to have internet access.
As far as we are concerned, we noticed that during the peak hours, the internet service that we have so far provides only 40MB-60MB and 60MB-80MB during off peak periods.
Since Parliament has paid and the Ministry and its agency are supposed to make an alternative arrangement, why have they not made any alternative arrangement for us, knowing very well that the network on which we are hooked on to is not working?
Mr Odotei 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, as I explained earlier in my Answer, there were two issues. One was as a result of fibre cuts and another was the observation the Hon Member made. Parliament was attacked by hackers. So the inbuilt firewall switched
to automatic protective mode. That slowed down the speed.
The combination of the fibre cut and then the automatic protective mode for the firewall slowed down the speed. That is the reason the quality of the internet service went down.
Mr Speaker, we are migrating Parliament now to the state-of-the-art internet service where we have upgraded the firewall and done some technical work to ensure that the speed that is required is achieved.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Hon Member, your last question.
Mr Bedzrah 11:42 p.m.
I thank you, Mr Speaker. Parliament would be migrating by Thursday to another network.
Mr Speaker, would the Ministry give us concession to cover up all the losses that we have incurred so far?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minister, we paid for a 155MB internet link. You have given us a maximum 60MB- 80MB internet link. What compensation package do you have? Should we sue you?
Mr Odotei 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I would get back to NITA who is contracted to us and see what actions could be taken on that.
Alhaji Muntaka 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Deputy Minister's Answer is not very clear because when we are supposed to be provided with a service of a certain quality and for whatever reasons it does not materialise, we are given a discount period to cover for the lost time.
Would the Hon Deputy Minister come again on whether they would consider the next six months as discount so that
Parliament would not have to pay for the lost quality service?
Mr Odotei 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Colleague is taking us to what their contractual obligations are. We would have a look at the contract and see where in the event of default, the remedies they are entitled to within that framework.
Then, I am sure the service provider would be obliged to honour its commitment in that respect.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, would you want to say anything in respect of the internet services provided by NITA?
Mr Osei Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am reliably informed that on Thursday they would restore full service. If there are any outstanding issues, I believe we could speak with them.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Very well, Hon Bedzrah, do you have the agreement? I would want to hear the default clause and see to it that what Parliament deserves is taken.
Mr Bedzrah 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, yes, I have the agreement here and if you would permit me, I would read:
“Breach of Warranty -- without prejudice to any other rights or remedies that NITA may have --”
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Very well, but I believe it is a general accepted practice that if one does not provide for the full service, then we are entitled to be compensated.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
It is obvious to every Member that NITA has not provided the required service. The Hon Deputy Minister has admitted that they provided a maximum 60MB-80MB instead of 155MB.

Hon Members, at the Commencement of Public Business.

Hon Leader, where do we start from?
Mr Matthew Nyindam 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we would take item numbered 6(a).
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Hon Members, item numbered 6; Presentation of Papers - 6(a) by the Hon Chairman of the Committee?
PAPERS 11:42 p.m.

Mr Nyindam 11:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we would take item numbered 9 on page 7; Motion.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 11:42 p.m.
Item numbered 9 -- Motion by the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs?
MOTIONS 11:52 a.m.

Chairman of the Committee (Mr Frank Annoh-Dompreh) 11:52 a.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that this Honourable House adopts the Report of the Committee on Foreign Affairs on the State of Ghana's Missions Abroad.
In doing so, I present your Committee's Report.
Introduction
Ghana has established and opened a number of diplomatic missions across the globe since Independence as part of efforts to strengthen her relations with the outside world as well as enhance her image internationally.
Most of the properties acquired to house these missions since independence have not seen any significant renovation, while others have become unfit for the purpose. As a result, Government in 2016 secured a loan facility of US$50 million from Societe Generale to rehabilitate and reconstruct some of these missions and also acquire additional property.
The loan was approved by Parliament in 2016 and works were expected to commence in 2017. The loan was to be applied to 33 selected Missions.
The Committee, as part of its oversight responsibility, accordingly visited some of the beneficiary missions in Europe, Asia, America and Africa as follows: Washington, USA; New York, USA; Paris, France; Madrid, Spain; Brussels, Belgium;
Seoul, South Korea; Beijing, China; Abuja, Nigeria; Lagos, Nigeria and Nairobi, Kenya.
The Committee after the visits met with the Deputy Minister and officials of the Ministry and discussed its findings. The Committee also sought clarifications on the application of the loan facility, among others.
The Committee is grateful to the Rt. Hon. Speaker, Prof Aaron Mike Oquaye for granting the Committee the permission to undertake the visits. The Committee is also grateful to the Hon Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and her Deputies, as well as Heads of Missions and staff for their cooperation and useful facilitation of the Committee's work.
Observations
The State of Properties and facilities of the Missions
The Committee noted that a number of properties and facilities were acquired through outright purchase or rentage for use by the Ghana missions abroad. These properties and facilities include chancery residency for the Head of mission, residential accommodation for officers, among other properties.
The Committee visited and physically inspected a number of the missions'properties and found many of them in a deplorable state. The findings in respect of each Mission is presented below:
New York and Washington-(USA)
In Washington, the Committee found that the mission buildings were weak and lacked maintenance. The buildings have
limited space and unable to accommodate the full complement of staff of the missions.
The Committee observed that there was no emergency exit in the buildings in case of evacuation during emergency and disasters. The Committee was informed that several attempts to fix the building have proved futile over the years.
The Committee was informed that in New York, the mission has four residential accommodation and a guest house which are all in a state of disrepair.
The Committee found various degrees of cracks, defective plumbing works and broken furniture when the properties were inspected. New York has an accommo- dation deficit and as a result, the Mission has rented apartments for its officers at high cost.
The Committee was informed that with the state of disrepair of the Chancery of the New York Mission, it would not be economically prudent to rehabilitate the facility.
The Ministry has therefore taken a decision to pull down the structure and construct a new one. An assessment carried out by the consultants advised that it would be cheaper to construct a new building than renovating the existing property.
The new building would comprise a total of 22 floors with a basement and would provide offices for the Mission, residency, residential accommodation for officials and guests and other conference facilities for meetings among others.
As to why the mission in New York was not captured as one of the projects under the facility, the Ministry explained that the initial cost of reconstruction is
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The Chancery, Residency and resi-
dence of staff are all housed in rented apartment. The embassy pays rent of €11,000.00 a month for the chancery office alone.
The Committee was informed that four (4) properties have been identified within the ambassadorial enclave that could be purchased and used as residence. The costs of the properties ranged between/ US$3.2 million to US$5.0million.
The mission believes that it could get a mortgage at about the same price for a befitting property to be used as a chancery.
Brussels, Belgium
The Ghana mission in Brussels, Belgium, owns three properties - the chancery building, residency and a residential accommodation. The chancery building was acquired in 1990 at a cost of €991,544.00 and is located in the old diplomatic enclave.
The building has not seen any major renovation works since its acquisition. The Committee noted that the building which was originally a residential property before it was converted into a chancery, is not big enough to contain all the departments and business of the chancery.
The Committee observed that tram and rail lines are located very close to the building which generates loud noise and vibrations due to the movements of the trains and trams.
The Committee was informed that a valuation of the building conducted in 2005 valued the property at €635,000.00 but this value has since depreciated. The
Committee observed that there is an urgent need to replace plumbing and electrical fittings to bring the building up to acceptable condition.
It is the view of the Committee that the property should be renovated and sold. The proceeds should be used to acquire a new property that will be fit for the purpose.
The residency which is located about four kilometers from the chancery was acquired by Government of Ghana in 1993 at a cost of €793,259.00. The building is 50 years old and has not seen any major renovation. The plumbing and electrical fittings are out of date.
The Committee was informed that it has been difficult to get companies ready to maintain the property since the tech- nology is outdated. The Committee found the property in a deplorable state with parts of the building caving in due to lack of maintenance. The entire compound of the building are overgrown with weeds.
The Committee noted that the location and state of the building was not fit for its purpose. The Committee was however informed that a total estimate of about €1,600,000 is required to undertake a complete renovation of the property.
The third property which serves as residential accommodation for the Minister Consular was acquired in 2007 at a cost of €490,058.00. The property was recently renovated in 2012 bringing it up to an acceptable state. The Committee recommends routine maintenance to forestall further deterioration.
Nairobi, Kenya
The mission in Nairobi, Kenya, has concurrent accreditation to oversee five countries: Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania,
Rwanda and Burundi. The mission also serves as Ghana's permanent representa- tive to the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the UN Habitat both headquartered in Nairobi, Kenya.
A total of six properties have been rented at the cost of US$18,000.00 per month for the operation of the Mission.
The mission has a three-acre land situated in a prime area in Nairobi called the Ghana House. The Committee was informed that the Government of Ghana purchased this property in the 1960s.
The mission used to operate from the Ghana House until it was closed down in the 1980s. Since then, the properties have deteriorated and the land left un- developed.
The Committee was informed that the mission has plans and strategies to redevelop the property. The project will consist of construction of a new residency, chancery and official residential accommodation for officers. The cost of the entire project is estimated at US$3.1 million.
The Committee was further informed that the mission has a similar property in Kampala, Uganda. The Committee asked the mission to take the necessary measures to secure the property.
Abuja and Lagos-Nigeria The Committee observed that the
Ghana Mission in Abuja owns four apartment houses with land still available for re-development. Staff of the mission are housed in these apartments.
The said structure was built in the 1960s and has been rundown. Both the
Abuja and Lagos properties have developed structural defects and require some renovation.
Visa Applications and Processing
One of the main objectives of the missions abroad is to provide consular Services as well as ensure speedy processing of visa applications for persons visiting the country. In all the missions visited, Consular services were provided and visas issued for both single and multiple entries.
The services, the Committee noted, are provided for a fee which differs from one country to the other. In Washington and New York, for instance, the cost of single, regular and multiple entry visas were from US$60.00, US$100.00 and US$200.00 respectively.
The Committee noted that clear differences exist in the fees charged for visa processing in the Washington and the New York Mission. It was explained that an additional fee is charged for the return postage by applicants in New York as applicants in Washington are also required to submit their own pre-paid self- addressed trackable return envelopes.
The Committee was informed that in both Washington and New York, the consular section has automated its visa acquisition process to ensure that processing of applications are expedited.
Biometric cards for visas have been rolled out in other parts of the USA to ensure easy access. However, the system is faced with challenges. The Committee observed that visa free agreement exists in some of the countries visited. For instance, Kenyan nationals do not require a visa to enter Ghana.

Passport Applications

The application and issuance of passports to Ghanaians living abroad is one of the functions of the missions. The missions process regular, express and missing/damaged passports for appli- cants. The Committee observed that the processing time for passports is between one to five days.

In the United States of America for instance, an average of 35 passports are processed per week. Applicants applying to the Washington Mission are required to submit their own pre-paid self- addressed trackable return envelopes for postage of their passports after processing.

In Paris and Madrid, the Committee observed that turn-around time for the acquisition of passports is 12 weeks and two weeks respectively. The Committee was informed that delays in passport processing in Paris was due to the absence of the passport booklet printing machine.

The mission indicated that processed applications are sent to London once a month for printing of the passport booklets. The Committee was however assured that the mission had put in place strategies to reduce the waiting time to about eight weeks.

Paris processes about 1,200 passports a year. The Committee recommends that a printing machine should be procured for the mission, having regard to the volumes of applications it receives in a year.

The Committee further recommends that pending the acquisition of the printing machine, the mission should submit the applications on a weekly basis to London to cut down the turnaround time.

In Madrid, the Committee observed that the mission has its own printing machine and prints passports for applications received by the mission and other missions such as Brussels. The passports are currently machine readable and not biometric. The Mission in Madrid issues about 2,500 passports in a year.

The biggest challenge with the issuance of passports in Madrid, the Committee was informed, was the fact that most Ghanaians who apply for new passports had arrived in Spain via illegal routes, without relevant documentation. Because they are not documented, they are screened before they are issued with the passports.

Additionally, the mission is confronted with cases of forged documents and impersonation in the processing of passports. The Committee observed that in Brussels, passports are processed within seven to eight weeks. All applications are mailed to Madrid once a month for printing.

The Committee was informed that one of the concerns of Ghanaian residents in Seoul, particularly students, was the high cost of acquiring a Ghanaian passport. It was indicated that the cost of a biometric passport was US$300 while that of the machine-readable type was US$250.

The officials acknowledged that the said fees were relatively high compared to what pertains in other countries. According to the officials, the mission generates about US$100,000.00 annually from passports and visa fees and retains 35 per cent of the IGF.

In Nairobi, the mission does not have a printer to process and issue passports. The Committee was informed that all applications are sent to Accra for printing. The turnaround time, the Committee noted was between two to three weeks.

The China mission, which also has no printing machine, has set aside an amount of €130,000.00 from its IGF for the procurement of a passport printing machine. The Mission is, however, awaiting clearance from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration.

Conditions of Service of Foreign Service Officers -- Officers Welfare

The condition of service for officers working in Ghana missions abroad were brought to the fore when the Committee visited. Welfare issues that were raised during the visit among others include:

Remenuration of officers;

exemption of import duties and other taxes on imported vehicles;

conducive working environment; and

Welfare of immediate family e.g. payment of wards fees, accommo- dation and freight arrangements.

For instance, in Paris and Madrid the Committee was informed that as a result of the high cost of living in Paris and Madrid, officers are disadvantaged, as the current renumeration scheme does not take into consideration the cost of living in those places.

At the time of the visit, officers, including eight (8) home base staff, nine (9) local staff and two (2) interns in Madrid spends about €34,000 on rent per month.

The Committee was further informed that foreign service officers previously benefitted from exemption of import duties and other taxes on their imported vehicles upon return from a duty tour abroad.

Unfortunately, this privilege, which was part of their conditions of service has been withdrawn.

They accordingly pleaded for the restoration of the waiver of the import duty and other taxes on their vehicles.

Officers informed the Committee that their immediate families are not catered for during their four-year duty tour abroad and where the country has no exchange agreement with Ghana, their spouses cannot work in those foreign countries. In addition, they are only entitled to a paid return during the tenure of their duty tour.

Thus, during the period of the duty tour, an officer can only return to Ghana for a visit at the officer's expense; the Government only pays for one return ticket -- at the beginning and at the end of the duty tour.

According to them, the situation has an emotional and psychological effect on them. They complained about having to pay their own wards fees, accommodation at their duty post and freight arrangements when they are posted.

The Committee was informed that the Ministry has submitted to Cabinet a Reviewed Foreign Service Regulations (2017), which makes provision for enhanced conditions of service for FSOs.

The Committee recommends that the Minister should take all necessary measures to ensure that the Regulations are approved by Cabinet and laid in Parliament as early as possible.

Internally Generated Funds

In Kenya, the Committee observed that with the policy free visa entries to the two countries, the mission has lost a
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Increasing the number of beneficiary missions
While the Ministry has a list of ten missions selected to benefit from the facility, it is prepared to consider other missions which are not on the list but have identified projects which can benefit from the facility. The Committee noted that the Ministry has added Seoul and Madrid which were not originally part of the selected missions.
Recommendations And Conclusion
Mission's facilities and properties
The Committee found that most of the mission's properties and facilities were in deplorable state and needs urgent replacement and repairs. The Committee believes the re-construction, renovation and outright purchase of properties and facilities for use of the Ghana missions abroad will go a long way to enhance the image of the country in the comity of nations.
In view of this, the Committee recommends to the Ministry to fast track the procurement processes for the release of funds from the loan to enable works to commence on the properties that have been selected for the project.
The Committee further recommends that a line budget should be provided in the Annual Budget Estimate of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration for incremental repair works in all the Missions.
Monitoring and Oversight
The Committee recommends that to ensure effective oversight of the
mission's activities, the Committee on Foreign Affairs be encouraged to undertake future oversight visit to the Missions that were not visited;
The Committee further recommends that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration submits a compre- hensive report on the state of Ghana's missions to the Committee on Foreign Affairs every year for the attention of Parliament.
Provision of passport and visa issuance machines
It was noted that busy missions such as Paris do not have the capacity to issue passports and visas on their own. The Committee therefore recommends that the Ministry takes steps to establish a fully- fledged passport and visa issuance processing centres with capacity to print and issue passports and visas in missions with high numbers of applications.
Acquisition of permanent properties for missions in rented accommodation
The Committee noted that a number of the missions visited are housed in temporary rented properties.
Having regard to the high cost of renting these properties and the challenge faced by the missions in meeting their annual rental obligations to landlords, the Committee recommends to the Ministry to take steps to procure permanent offices and residential accommodation for missions that operate from rented properties by outright purchase or through a mortgage arrangement.
Additional funding for missions not covered under the current facility
The Committee realised that some of the missions visited such as Beijing, Seoul and New York did not benefit from the Facility although they were found to be in deplorable states. The Committee recommends that the Ministry should, as a matter of urgency, procure the needed funding to enable works to commence in these missions.
The Committee, after a careful consideration of its findings, recommends to the House to adopt its report.
Respectfully submitted.
Mr Speaker, in conclusion, it is not a shame to say that a facility was acquired during the era of the former Government in the year 2016. Typical of this Government and as all of us would recognise that the President himself was once an Hon Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration, he ensured that processes were continued and the loan has been acquired.
Never again should this country come to a stage where properties acquired some years for the country would be allowed to go down in a state of disrepair.
To that end, we would want to urge the Executive and, for that matter, the Hon Minister for Foreign Affairs to institute a reform where on an annual basis, the House and your Committee should be apprised on the real state of our properties and missions across the world.
We are very confident that if we put these measures in place, we would come atop the state of our missions abroad.
I would, on behalf of the Committee, take this opportunity to profusely congratulate you, Mr Speaker, because we

are reliably informed that this is the first time your Committee has been engaged in such an outward oversight.

We would want to profusely thank you and the Hon Minority and Hon Majority Leaders for paving the way for this work to be done. We are very excited about it, and we are confident that it would set a motion and process to ensure that our missions really reflect the image of our country, and the welfare of our foreign service staff is taken seriously.

Mr Speaker, respectfully, I submit.

Thank you.

Ranking Member of the Committee (Mr Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa): Mr Speaker, I am most grateful for the opportunity to second the Report that has been ably presented by the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs.

Mr Speaker, as the Hon Chairman has noted, this is the first time such a fact- finding mission has been carried out by your Committee. It is due to the facilitation of the Speakership and the Leadership of this House that this has been possible. So we would want to convey the appreciation of the Committee to the Rt Hon Speaker and the Leadership of the House for facilitating this tour.

Mr Speaker, our Report shows that this tour, indeed, was long overdue. The impression we had every year when we approved Budget Statements and went through annual Estimates was really underestimated; we totally under- estimated the enormity of the challenges that confront the image of our country when it comes to our 62 missions abroad.

Mr Speaker, what we have found out, as the Report reveals, is really troubling, and this cannot continue. We would appeal to this House to take a serious view of what is happening to our missions abroad.

As we speak, inspectors have declared some of our chanceries and the residences of our Ambassadors' health risks and death-traps. Indeed, the New York Mission, the permanent mission of Ghana to the United Nations, is in such a sordid state that if care is not taken, we would soon have tragedy on our heads.

We all know how important that mission is and our obligations to the United Nations. Every year, at least once, our President will visit New York and address the UN General Assembly. It is really sad that we have allowed our facilities abroad to deteriorate to this level.

Mr Speaker, the concern that I have has to do with the proactive approach that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration took to secure a loan facility of US$50 million as revealed on page 12 of the Report in the year 2016.

If you look at the terms of the facility, itemised as 7.2, the grace period for the loan is one year after which we will pay an interest of 8.4 per cent per annum. We secured this facility in the year 2016 and we are now in the year 2018, a few days away from 2019 and we have still not taken off nor utilised this Facility because of delays.

The concern I have is that the interest is accruing, we are servicing this facility, the buildings are deteriorating, we need urgency.

If these delays and challenges would continue when we listen to the Ministry and raise these concerns, they have talked about some of the jurisdictional peculiarities about building permits and getting contractors and all of the dynamism with the laws of different jurisdictions and all of that.

The question is, if this continues, then perhaps, we may have to renegotiate this facility, if not, we would cause financial loss to the State as we continue to pay the interest on this loan Facility.

Mr Speaker, what is clear is that urgent action is required. Apart from the deterioration, we also found out that there is a shortage of residential and chancery facilities for our missions, and that is why when we did the estimates and assessed the year 2017, we spent GH¢62 million on rent alone as a country. That is so high.

At the time, it was US$14 million on just rent. If we own properties, we would save in the medium-to-long term. I recall that during the Estimates that we considered for the year 2018, the Hon Minority Leader raised this and Mr Speaker strongly supported the point that we have to take a second look at how much this country is spending on renting facilities.

In Kenya, we found out that we have a very important building that is strategically placed in a prime location. However, the entire facility has been so much ran down that it is closed.

We all know how important the Kenyan Post is, apart from the Embassy there, the Mission serves the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) and the UN Human Settlement Programme (UNHabitat) which are headquartered in Nairobi, Kenya.

So it is a very busy Mission we have a facility in a prime location, land valued at millions of dollars but it is closed; it is no longer habitable, and we are spending so much on rent. When they told us how much we pay on rent, we were very outraged because that could only amount to imprudent use of resources.

Mr Speaker, so your Committee has done its work by carrying out its oversight duties, we are now fully apprised and well acquainted with what is going on with our missions abroad. Poor maintenance culture, the lack of adequate budgeting and inadequacy in the facilities available.

We need to commend our foreign service staff abroad, they are doing very well under difficult conditions and we cannot continue this way.

As I conclude, I would want to appeal to His Excellency the President, who has been an Hon Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration before and who very much knows about some of these challenges, that additional resources have to be put at the disposal of the Hon Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration.

Mr Speaker, already, if you look at the 2019's Budget Statement, CAPEX has been reduced as compared to last year. So we may need an additional facility; the US$15million is woefully inadequate looking at the enormity of the problem confronting us.

So we may need another facility and it is important that His Excellency the President and the Hon Minister for Finance pay attention to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration.

All of us when we travel abroad on official assignment, we expect our missions abroad to be on call and to assist
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us but they cannot continue under these circumstances. This matter is of urgent nature and we all have to put our hands on deck -- we need a rescue package for our missions abroad.
More missions are being opened as we know and we cannot continue on this trajectory. We need to change course.
Finally, let us see some urgency and be reminded that time is ticking on the loan facility, the grace period is over, we have not re-negotiated it and we will continue to pay. What is even more worrying is that the final repayment period on the total sum will be due in six years. We are almost mid-way through and the projects have not started and we know that construction and renovation takes time.
Mr Speaker, so, we may want to advise the Hon Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and the Hon Minister for Finance to consider re-negotiating this Facility and then let us see some urgency from Government in rising up to the challenge.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to second the Motion.
Question proposed. Rev John Ntim Fordjour (NPP - Assin
South): Mr Speaker, I beg to support the Motion ably laid by the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs in respect of the Report on the State of Ghana's missions abroad.
At the onset, I must commend the current Government at the swift steps that have been taken to effectuate the utilistaion of the Facility that was procured in the year 2016 on the assumption of office.
Of course, just as the Hon Ranking Member of the Committee rightly indicated, this Facility was procured in the
year 2016 with the grace period of one year within which period utilisation was expected to effectuate. I would want to believe that the utilisation of this facility, if it had been found on the priority list of the previous Government, would have seen same and we would not have come to the point where we are today.
Mr Speaker, going forward, this Committee, historically, took keen interest in disbursing this facility that had been procured, and as a matter of fact, we all recognised that year on year, a cursory look at the budgetary allocations for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and even the subsequent appropriation of same revealed that a significant portion of the budgetary allocation to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration is expended on rent.

This is a trend that we have all observed for the past two or three decades and we would have to move away from this trend.

Mr Speaker, in analysing the properties that we currently have in the various Missions that we visited, it was very clear that majority of them were properties for chanceries or residences that were acquired over 30, 40 and 50 years ago. It was quite worrying that in recent decades, there had been very little acquisitions but more money has been expended on rent.

Mr Speaker, I would want to commend the utilisation of the US$50 million facility, however, it would still not be adequate to meet the full accommodation, chancery and residential needs of the 33 missions that were selected.

I would want to recommend that we should explore opportunities of mortgages. This has been challenged over the years, but I still maintain a possibility that if we

are constrained in mobilising a chunk fund to acquire properties, then we may begin to negotiate on long-term basis so that every mission which is representing the good people of Ghana in the diaspora could acquire properties on their own - own their own chanceries, residences and where possible foreign service officials could get residences in very decent and befitting states that could be paid for monthly as is done in private arrangements.

Mr Speaker, I must also submit that as we speak, the utilisation of the facility is ongoing. As a matter of fact, last week, I personally supervised the handing over of a consulate building that has been newly acquired in Toronto. The keys were handed over to the High Commissioner and the Consul General - payment had been made to that effect.

Mr Speaker, when we go to page 13 of the Report, there are various due diligence and value-for-money analysis and works that have been done. All the procurement processes have been duly followed leading to the disbursement of a fund to the tune of US$17.9 million for the following missions: Geneva, Vatican, Rwanda, Paris, Tel Aviv, Cotonuo and Bamako. Mr Speaker, these are to look at the various projects that had to do with chancery, residences and consulate facilities.

Mr Speaker, I must commend the heads of missions and the various foreign service officials who are holding the flag of Ghana high in all the various missions that we visited. Mr Speaker, recognising the deplorable state that most of these missions are in and the challenging conditions of service under which they operate - in Paris, for instance, which was one of the foremost properties that Ghana

acquired after we gained independence, and the state of the building cannot even be described.

I still maintain and the Committee still insists on the immediate closure of the chancery of Paris and a temporary relocation of the chancery to a suitable and conducive space to allow for works to begin immediately. We may not have to wait for a disaster to occur before we take steps to correct what has to be corrected.

Mr Speaker, it is also important to touch on consular services because the various missions' across the diaspora have been doing their best in optimising services in respect of passport and visa issuance to clients.

The Committee observed that the minimum turnaround time for the acquisition of a passport was eight weeks and we believe that we could improve this turnaround time.

A survey conducted by the Committee revealed that there are a lot of clients who are willing to pay a little extra fee for express services to ensure improved delivery of a passport the same day or three days at most.

Mr Speaker, they are willing to pay commensurate fees, and so I would want to challenge the Ministry to take this project up. Mr Speaker, it also came out clearly that part of the factors that caused the delay of the turnaround time had to do with lack of a biometric passport printing machines in most of the consulates.

For instance, in Paris, they had to rely on London for printing. Brussels had to rely on Spain for printing. They made very good business cases for which a request of about 1,200 passports a year should
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:12 p.m.
Hon Member for Wa Central?
Alhaji (Dr) Abdul-Rashid Hassan Pelpuo (NDC -- Wa Central) 12:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to comment on this Report. First of all, I would want to thank the Committee for a wonderful job done because I have visited a number of these embassies and I sometimes come out with a very heavy heart after seeing what operates in there.
Mr Speaker, our embassies reflect the image of our country and they tell us who we are exactly. They give the first impressions to people who visit the embassies. The embassies are the extensions of a country, and we all know that by the United Nations Conventions on Diplomacy, the moment a person enters an embassy, that person is in another country.
So if people enter our embassies and they see the descriptions being given here, then it means that it is reflecting the exact image of Ghana. So it is important that this visit happened.
Mr Speaker, I took the time to visit our embassy in New York a few years ago, and as I sat with one of the officials to have a discussion, I saw a mouse run on the floor and it was so embarrassing and painful.
I saw cracks on the wall, the carpet was almost rotten and I saw that the place was not conducive at all. This is a reflection of who we are exactly - the culture of maintenance should be taken seriously in this country. Our approach in keeping properties acquired by other people that we have inherited must be different.

Mr Speaker, for the meantime and at the moment, it is very sad, and I have not taken anybody out of this blame. Apart from some two key Administrations that have acquired these properties around the world, previous Administrations have ignored the maintenance of these facilities and have brought us to this length.

It is important that we begin to look inside out about exactly what we want to acquire and, achieve with the embassies that we are occupying throughout the country.

Mr Speaker, the New York embassy in particular, is a sad spectacle. It is so sad to hear that the Ambassador is living in a rented property in which we are paying US$15,000 a month. It is scandalous; it is unacceptable; it is something that we have to look at.

How come we cannot maintain an already existing residence and have to pay a US$180,000 a year just for rent? What happens in four years? How much are we paying in four years? How much would we pay in 10 years?

Mr Speaker, there is something wrong with us, and we must take steps to make sure that we overturn the perception of who Ghanaians are. It is painful that we acquire properties and cannot maintain them. The acquisition of property is as important as its maintenance.

Mr Speaker, I would want to call for a legal imposition on all Governments who fail to maintain property and all officers on whom these properties are given to as caretakers.

If they fail to maintain properties of the State within a specified period of time, they must be punished. There must be a law that would sanction them for that, because it is as if it is deliberately causing financial loss to the State.

When you acquire property at a very high premium and you do not maintain it, it is wasted.

Mr Speaker, this Report must be a wakeup call to the rest of us, that it should not just be the maintenance of the properties in our embassies around the world, but even the maintenance of properties in this country, that we have to make sure they stand the test of time.

Mr Speaker, I am happy, however, about the fact that we are moving towards acquiring a new property at the New York premise which is a very important one. I hope that we can do the same with the Abuja property. We have another property at Lagos; these are all going waste.

There came a time that some governments were even thinking about selling some of the properties. It should not be thought of at all. We should not go near selling the embassies' properties. What we should do is to go into the Public Private Partnership (PPP) arrangement as
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:22 p.m.
Leadership, yes, Hon Minority Leader?
Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 12:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I can understand that we are in want of time. But given the content of the Report and the decisions that you may direct, I thought that I could make an application for one or two persons to comment on it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:22 p.m.
Hon Leader, I thought that today we need Hon Members to be at the Committees to work on the Estimates. If we stay out too long here, the Committee works will delay and keep us longer when we are ready. So please, let us agree to what we have agreed to do.
Mr Iddrisu 12:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so I would proceed. First of all, I would like to thank the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, the Ranking Member and the few privileged members who had the opportunity, guided by your directives, to do this assessment of our foreign missions abroad and to commend them for a very thorough and comprehensive Report, even though I still find some aspects of the Report struggling. I would just deal with one of it for you.
Mr Speaker, if you come to page 12, paragraph 7.3, I have seen the breakdown of the US$17 million. I am discussing pages 12 and 13. Now on page 13:
“The Committee was further informed that due diligent process has been completed and full payment would be effected by December, 2018, for the works on the following:”
They give us US$17.9 million, and when you come to paragraph 7.3.1, we have expenditure of US$17.5 million. Next time, they should give us the same breakdown; how they arrived at that US$17.5 million relative to what they are recommending as outstanding commitment which would be paid, so that when we add the US$17.9 million to the US$17.5 million, we would have an understanding of how the US$50 million, which was secured in 2016, is being used.
They should give us an update on the status of work. What is the status of work? Is it 80 per cent, 20 per cent, 40 per cent and for which mission? We ought to have that breakdown to guide whatever decision we would be taking.
Mr Speaker, my second comment would be on passports. Your good self had the privilege to travel abroad to represent the Rt Hon Speaker. I can liken our Ghanaian foreign service officials -- only the Military or the Ghana Armed Forces as one institution which has refused to be politicised. You would not in their character, in the performance of their duty, read whether they are partisan or not. They should not be ordinarily. I believe they are serving our Republic very well.
I have had the rare privilege to travel to International Labour Organisation (ILO) and to International Telecommunication Union (ITU) to World Trade Organisation (WTO) in respective capacities as Minister for Employment and Labour Relations or Communications.

Mr Speaker, for multilateral missions, next time, I expect that the Committee Report should make a distinction of multilateral missions abroad. They cannot compare Geneva, New York, Ethiopia, Kenya and Brussels to other missions.

They are not the same. In terms of priority, what is our recommendation? This is because multilateral missions play a dual or multi role. Apart from the ambassador or embassy, they represent us at the UN agencies and in some instances, play other key roles. We need to have some prime attention given to the multilateral.

Mr Speaker, I was on passport applications. First of all, let me make a request to you. I trust that in concluding this debate, you should direct a copy of this Report with your own recommendations or the House's recommendations to the Executive, in particular, to the President, copied to the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration so that they would appreciate what it is that we have determined.

Mr Speaker, again, this House has two weaknesses. One of them is not our creation. When we tell the world that we control the public purse, it is a constitutional myth.

We do not control any public purse. Even this year, Parliament's own budget is suffering. So how do we control a purse when we cannot determine our own budget? So I say that it remains a constitutional myth.

Mr Speaker, what role would Parliament and the Committee on Foreign Affairs play in future with the Ministry of Finance in future allocations to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration realising the noble recommendations you
Mr Speaker, again, I indulge you 12:32 p.m.
I have had the rare opportunity with Mr Speaker, Prof Mike Oquaye, in St Petersburg in Russia when he engaged the Ghanaian citizens abroad. Why must it take a Ghanaian two weeks to a month to access a passport? That is not acceptable. We should set a certain benchmark.
Mr Speaker, assuming a relation of yours is in New York or Brussels who wants to come for Christmas, which is what they normally do -- some who do not like cold weather like me would want to come home so that they could escape the cold.
Then he is told to wait for a month or a week. This is not just a problem affecting Ghanaians abroad. Even domestically, Ghanaians are struggling to have access to passport. We have said that the passport is a requirement to define citizenship under article 42 of the Constitution.
We cannot be seen putting impediments on the realisation and consummation of the right to citizenship based on a denial that one cannot have a passport even in Ghana. Sometimes, it takes a month or two weeks.
Mr Speaker, there is a solution. The Passport Office and the Committee on
Foreign Affairs may take note. There is some conflict between the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and the Office of the Controller over a document known as valued books and who has ownership of and the returns to it.
We can correct it here as Parliament. This is because that would make money for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration. I do not appreciate the valued books but I have read about it.
And the struggle is whether what comes out of the valued books must go to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration or to the Controller. It is money -- [Interruption] -- Hon Chairman, I thought maybe, if you are lucky, Mr Speaker would recognise you. I am contributing to your Report. Valued books, what happens?
Mr Speaker, we as Parliament are the custodians of the rights of Ghanaians. Ghanaians should not struggle to have access to a passport both internally and externally. We need to do something about it.
I know that previously, there was the effort. Some offices were set up in the Brong Ahafo Region and in Tamale. Let us see a replication of same in the Upper East, Upper West, Western and Central Regions to be able to process passports. Why must they come to Accra to acquire passports? That is not acceptable.
So Mr Speaker, on passports, let it be registered that a number of our citizens abroad are not satisfied with what we are all doing collectively, Even as politicians, in supporting them to have access.
Mr Speaker, the danger is that there is erosion of confidence in our democratic practice. If we are not seen serving the interests of the persons who elected us to have a common passport in the Report.
Mr Speaker, I have seen US$300 and US$250 somewhere on page 9 of the Report. Why? In China, they are waiting for approval to be able to acquire a printing machine.
Mr Speaker, I hope I could share this 12:42 p.m.
the foreign missions are also due diligence institutions for Ghana. If the Executive or any Ministry has a dealing with a foreign entity, the best due diligence is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration. They should tell us who that entity is and where their registered office is. Do they have the expertise to undertake that which they are pledging?
Mr Speaker, China matters to us now. We know how much interest our Ghanaian traders have in China. Even as a Government, they have become our friends because of their generosity to support our infrastructural development.
Why must we be struggling with an embassy like China? So they should add China to their multilateral embassies and prioritise them in terms of their need. I am told on page 9 again, third paragraph, that 130,000 awaiting approval from IGF and we should strongly recommend that that is done.
Mr Speaker, in conclusion, when one travels abroad, even at the airport we are accorded VIP status. The VIP office at the airport does not have any good vehicle for the purpose of receiving some foreign guests and even sometimes the local VIPs.
That is embarrassing and we must correct it, particularly in the 2019 Budget Statement. Just last week, I sat in a car and it took me to a flight and later on, I was told that they ought to support the vehicle for another vehicle.
Mr Speaker, first impressions are lasting ones. When VIP foreigners enter this country, we should let them have a feel of it at the airport. Let us have a look at it.
Mr Speaker, I am speaking for long because one other matter was brought to Mr Speaker's attention in my presence in St Petersburg. It was Government policy under the late President Mills.
I am sure it travelled through President Mahama. So President Akufo-Addo has to look at it. Every serving foreign official was allowed to come back home with one duty vehicle exempt of taxes, just as an opportunity given to them, having served the State. It ran for a certain period and was truncated.
The President would have visited it because that right -- [Interruption] -- it is in the Committee's Report. I am making a strong case that the Executive would have to visit it and ensure that it is done because they are doing some beneficial service to the republic.
Some of the foreign direct investments we get are based on their recommendation and having worked so tirelessly, if one wants to retire on just one vehicle or come home with it, it is not that kind of tax exemptions that would deny the Ministry of Finance some money.
Mr Speaker, bonded warehousing - I used to be Minister for Trade and Industry where there is leakage everyday. It was room for fraud by businesses - exporters and importers. When we plug the leakages, it is enough to get the money needed. Not the exemption of a poor foreign officer who wants to --

Mr Speaker, now, specific to New York, they have a challenge with parking and when people park wrongly, they charge
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:42 p.m.
Yes, Hon Deputy Majority Whip?
Mr Matthew Nyindam (NPP -- Kpandai) 12:42 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to add my voice to commend the Committee for a very thorough job, going round all our mission countries almost giving us details of the challenges and problems confronting these missions.
Mr Speaker, sometimes when we get the opportunity to meet these men and women who represent us outside this country, the lamentation is just too much, and the buildings that they sometimes occupy are nothing to write home about.
I believe that as a nation, our missions represent our country, and if those buildings are nothing to write home about, then they give us a very bad impression. So just like the Hon Minority Leader said, I urge that this Report goes further to the Executive, for them to look at the recommendations from the Committee, so that something can be done about this particular Report.
Mr Speaker, I also agree largely to some of the contributions that are made on this Floor concerning the visa acquisition, because a lot of people are not happy with the number of days or months that it takes a citizens to get a passport.
Mr Speaker, it is not good news, but for want of time, because we have a lot to do, I would just urge you to give some directives on this particular Report and hope that the Foreign Affairs Committee would keep doing what they are doing - continue to follow up, so that at the end of the day, some of these recommen- dations would be put into good use.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity.
Question put and Motion agreed to.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:42 p.m.
Hon Deputy Whip, what next?
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:42 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minority Leader?
Mr Iddrisu 12:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we were thinking that having had the Committee on Foreign Affairs' Report on the State of Ghana's missions abroad adopted, you would have given some consequential directives. [Pause] --
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:42 p.m.
Hon Minority Leader, I have read through the Report, and they have given us the state of affairs. They have told us that there is a move to use a loan that is already procured.
Indeed, an Hon Member of the Committee, who contributed said that they have already started using the facility, so I do not believe it would be appropriate to give any directives. They would continue to do their work and give the House a report.
Mr Nyindam 12:42 p.m.
Very well, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, we would now move on to item numbered 12 on page 9 of the Order Paper.
Mr Speaker, I would also want to urge you to allow the Hon Deputy Minister for Finance, to move the Motion on behalf of the Hon Minister for Finance.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:42 p.m.
Yes, Hon Minority Leader? The Hon Deputy Whip would want the Hon Deputy Minister for Finance to move the Motion on behalf of the Hon Minister for Finance. Do you have any comments?
Mr Iddrisu 12:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, we ordinarily would have no objection, but as we have insisted, it is always useful and productive for the available Leader to explain to us why the substantive Minister is not before this House. It is a very important Motion, but I am sure that the Hon Deputy Minister can stand in.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:42 p.m.
Very well.
Yes, Hon Deputy Minister for Finance, you may move the Motion.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Chairman of Committee?
Chairman of Committee on Finance (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to present the Committee's Report:
Introduction
The Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018 was first presented to Parliament and read the first time on 8th November,
2018.
Mr Speaker referred the Bill to the Finance Committee for consideration and report in accordance with the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of Parliament.
The Committee met with a Deputy Minister for Finance, Hon Charles Adu Boahen, the Governor of the Bank of Ghana, Dr Ernest Addison, the two Deputy Governors, Dr Maxwell Opoku- Afari and Mrs Elsie Addo Awadzi, and officials from the Ministry of Finance and the Bank of Ghana.
Documents Referred to
The Committee referred to the following documents in order to consider the Bill:
1. The 1992 Constitution;
2. The Electronic Transactions Act, 2008 (Act 772);
3. The Payment Systems Scheme Act, 2003 (Act 662);
4. The Fines (Penalty Units) Act, 2000 (Act 572);
5. The Standing Orders of Par- liament;
6. The Bank of Ghana Guidelines for E-Money Issuers in Ghana; and
7. The Bank of Ghana Guidelines for E-Money Agents.
Object of the Bill The purpose of the Bill is to amend and
consolidate laws and guidelines relating to payment systems, payment services, and electronic money operations and to regulate institutions which issue electronic money and provide payment services.
Structure of the Bill
The Bill has one hundred and two (102) clauses and three schedules.
Clause 1 provides for the scope of application of the Bill. Clause 2 deals with the application of relevant enactments whereas clause 3 provides for the functions of the Bank of Ghana.
Clause 4 empowers the Bank of Ghana to establish the Payment Systems Advisory Committee to advise the Bank on regulations and oversight of the payment systems, operational and technical standards of payment systems and any other matter affecting payment
Chairman of Committee on Finance (Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah) 12:52 p.m.
40. Clause 32 -- Amendment proposed
-- Subclause (2), line 2, after “stipulated” insert “by the Bank of Ghana”.
41. Clause 34 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), line 1, delete the words “where applicable”.
42. Clause 34 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (2), paragraph (g), delete “irregular” and insert “suspicious”.
43. Clause 34 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (9), delete and insert a new subclause (9) as follows:
“A network service provider shall notify the Bank of Ghana and electronic money issuers on the network of that service provider, seven days before the network service provider engages in an activity that may result in the unavailability of electronic money service delivery by the network service provider”.
44. Clause 35 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (6), line 1, delete “in all instances”.
45. Clause 35 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (6), line 2, delete “where necessary”.
46. Clause 37 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), paragraph (a) line 1, delete “mixed” and insert “comingled”.
47. Clause 37 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (4), line 2, delete “ninety one day Government Treasury bill” and insert “short term Government Instruments determined by the Bank of Ghana.
48. Clause 41 -- Amendment proposed -- Headnote, at beginning, add “Submission of'.
49. Clause 41 -- Amendment proposed -- Transpose sub-clause (6) and (7) as a new provision after clause 41 Add a new clause after clause (41) as follows:
“Requirement for material change.
(1) An electronic money issuer or payment service provider who intends to introduce a material change or enhance- ment in the electronic money issuance or provision of payment service shall
(a) seek approval of the Bank of Ghana, and
(b) give notice in writing to the Bank of Ghana thirty days before the proposed implementation of the change or enhancement.
(2) An electronic money issuer or payment service provider shall seek the prior approval of the Bank of Ghana where the electronic money issuer or payment service provider intends to
(a) transfer more than fifteen per cent of the shares in the electronic money or payment service business; or
(b) introduce material changes in the payment service that alters the scope of the service, including new service capabilities or change in technology service provider.
50. Clause 42 -- Amendment proposed -- paragraph (e), line 1, delete “authorised”.
51. Clause 44 -- Amendment proposed -- Headnote, delete “account”.
52. Clause 44 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), line 1, delete “account”.
53. Clause 44 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (2), line 1, delete “account”.
54. Clause 45 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (3), delete “calendar”.
55. Clause 45 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (2), paragraph ( d ) , line 2, delete “working”.
56. Clause 45 -- Amendment proposed -- insert a new subclause (10) as follows:
“the Bank of Ghana shall within three days, resolve the com- plaint”.
57. Clause 47 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (4), line 1, delete “Subject to subsection”.
58. Clause 49 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (i), paragraph (a), line 3, delete “or” and insert “and”.
59. Clause 65 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), paragraph (a), add at end “by a court”.
60. Clause 65 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), paragraph (b), add at end “by a court”.
61. Clause 65 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), paragraph (c), add at end “by a court or a regulatory body”.
62. Clause 65 -- Amendment proposed -- Second phrase, line 1, delete “by a court”.
63. Clause 69 -- Amendment proposed -- delete and insert the following.
“Functions of clearing house”
The functions of the clearing house include
(a) facilitating the speedy present- ment of cheques, automated debits and credits and other payment instruments among participants;
(b) providing a mechanism for the timely determination of the net settlement positions of the members arising from the clearing process and to communicate same to the Bank of Ghana;
(c) retaining records of all clearing items in electronic form; and
(d) performing any other function incidental to paragraphs (a) to (c) that the Bank of Ghana may request or approve.”
64. Clause 74 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1) line 2, delete “at least twenty- one days”.
65. Clause 74 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (3), line 2, delete “fourteen days before the effective date of the suspension”.
66. Clause 74 -- Amendment proposed -- Add the following new sub- clause:

“(6) Despite subsection (1) and (3) the Bank of Ghana may suspend a participant from participating in the clearing house where it is in the public interest.”

67. Clause 75 -- Amendment proposed -- Headnote, at end add “in clearing house”.

68. Clause 79 -- Amendment proposed -- Concluding phrase delete and insert “which is the subject of proceedings shall be admissible in evidence”.

69. Clause 82 -- Amendment proposed -- Headnote, delete “payment instrument” and insert “cheque”.

70. Clause 82 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (3), paragraph (a), delete “high value” and insert “high-value”.

71. Clause 82 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (3), paragraph (b), delete “limit based” and insert “limit-based”.

72. Clause 88 -- Amendment proposed -- Line 1, delete “(1)”.

73. Clause 88 -- Amendment proposed -- paragraph (d) delete “bank mail to bank” and insert “mail”.

74. Clause 98 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (1), line 1, delete “in consultation with” and insert “acting on the advise of'.

75. Clause 99 -- Amendment proposed -- Subclause (2), Add the following new paragraph

“(h) participation in the clearing system;

(i) electronic financial services; and

(j) generally for the effective implementation of this Act”.

76. Clause 100 -- Amendment proposed -- Interpretation of “Agency Agreement”, delete definition of “agency agreement” and insert the new definition as follows:

“agency agreement” means the contractual arrangement between

(a) a principal and an agent; (b) a master-agent and an agent; (c) a principal and a master-

agent;

for providing banking or electronic money, payment services to end-users on behalf of the principal”.

77. Clause 100 -- Amendment proposed -- definition of “Bank of Ghana” delete.

78. Clause 100 -- Amendment proposed -- Definition of “biometrics”, delete and insert the following:

“biometrics” means an art of identifying an individual based on some physical traits of that individual”.

79. Clause 100 -- Amendment proposed -- Interpretation for “designation”, delete and insert the following:

“designation” means the identifi- cation of a system that can pose

systemic risk which the Bank of Ghana intends to supervise”.

80. Clause 100 -- Amendment proposed -- Interpretation , add the following new Interpretation :

“Electronic Financial Service” includes a medium of expanding financial access through technolo- gical innovation”.

81. Clause 100 -- Amendment proposed -- Interpretation , add the following new Interpretation :

“Ghanaian Company” means a company which is incorporated under the Company's Act, 1970 (Act 179) and which is wholly owned by a citizen of Ghana”.

82. Long Title -- Amendment proposed -- delete and Insert the following:

“An Act to amend and consolidate the laws relating to payment systems, payment services, and electronic money business, and to regulate institutions which carry on payment service and electronic money business and to provide for related matters”.

Conclusion

Mr Speaker, after careful consideration, the Committee is of the view that the Bill is in the right direction and therefore recommends to the House to adopt its Report and pass the Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018, in accordance with the 1992 Constitution and the Standing Orders of the House.

Respectfully submitted.

Question proposed.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member for Bolgatanga Central?
Mr Isaac Adongo (NDC-- Bolgatanga Central) 12:52 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise to associate with and support the Second Reading of the Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018.
Mr Speaker, in doing so, I would like to recognise the fact that the Payment Systems and Services Bill has really been long overdue. In 2016 under the previous Administration, efforts were made to introduce a regulation under Act 662.
Subsequently, industry players were of the view that such a sector was just an emerging sector and was so critical that we needed to transform that into the new Act that would consolidate the various regulations that are brought under this.
Subsequently, in 2017, the Payment Systems and Service Bill was formulated but never found its way to Parliament. So it is refreshing to find that the Bill has finally arrived in Parliament in 2018 and would give us the opportunity to regulate this emerging trend.
Mr Speaker, but as I speak, I speak with a heavy heart. We, Hon Members on the Minority Side, just got this Report so, it does not really give us the opportunity to scrutinise this Report and to make meaningful contributions to the matters on the Floor.
We would like to plead with the Hon Chairman to make these Reports available to us, for us to look at them before we take them on the Floor. Otherwise, then, we would have a challenge when we just have suddenly thrashed upon us these documents and we now have to contribute to these documents.
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Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Member, hold on. Yes, Hon Member for Suhum?
Mr Opare-Ansah 12:52 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Hon Member just indicated that the Ministry of Communications seems to be on a collision course with the Ministry of Finance as to who should have -- [Interruption] -- Well, the Bank of Ghana is represented here by the Ministry of Finance. It is the Hon Deputy
Minister for Finance who laid the Bill and moved the Motion.
There is no Bank of Ghana in this Chamber. So by inference, what he said, he means the Ministry of Finance. [Interruption.] Whatever he means, there is no collision course.
Mr Speaker, the Committee never met with the Ministry of Communications and the Report before us does not contain any information that suggests that the Ministry of Communication is on a collision course with any other Agency or Ministry of Government as who should be in control of this project. I believe the Hon Member should do the honourable thing by withdrawing that statement and afterwards he could proceed.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Hon Member, is that in the Report?
Mr I. Adongo 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is not in the Report. But Mr Speaker—
Mr First Deputy Speaker 12:52 p.m.
Kindly move away from it and concentrate on the Report.
Mr I. Adongo 12:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am guided accordingly. But we are trying to provide a framework that would support the operations of electronic money, including mobile money. You may deny, but what I am contributing to is to the effect that we should be minded of the possible territorial protection of the Ministry of Communications.
But if you say that is not the case, go out there, and hear what is happening. If you insist on that I withdraw, I would withdraw, but not come back here one day asking this Parliament to resolve —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:02 a.m.
Hon Member, I said move away from that and concentrate on the Report. Now, you have returned to it.
Mr I. Adongo 1:02 a.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
I wish to indicate that setting up a subsidiary specifically dedicated to managing this process by the mobile operators would facilitate the regulations of these institutions under the Bank of Ghana. And here, I refer to the subsidiaries that would be dealing with mobile money under the various agencies. And that is the focus of this Bill.
Mr Speaker, but one of the challenges that we encountered in one of the clauses that we looked at is to the effect of ensuring that when cheques are issued, there are penalties when those cheques are not cleared within a certain period. Therefore this is supposed to punish suppression.
I have had cause to tell the Deputy Governor that we currently have such challenges with the Consolidated Bank of Ghana (CBG) and that is not being enforced. Therefor, to continue to put that in this Bill without enforcing what is currently going on would create a major problem. I want them to take note of that and correct it immediately.
Mr Speaker, I think that this Bill which is a straightforward one is long overdue and would strengthen the financial sector. We on this Side of the House have no qualms with ensuring that we contribute to strengthen and improve this Bill, so that we could have a proper regulation environment for electronic payments.
With this, I support the Bill.
Mr Frederick Opare-Ansah (NPP -- Suhum) 1:02 a.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the debate on the Motion before the House and I rise in support of it.
Mr Speaker, we have been told that the purpose of this Bill is to amend and consolidate laws and guidelines related to payment systems as well as electronic money operations. It is also to regulate the institutions which issue electronic money and those providing payment systems solutions.
In the past, some businesses that tried to enter the electronic issuance or payment systems solutions market had challenges because of the lack of clarity as to how to operate in that space. I see the Hon Minority Leader shaking his head.
In the year 2000, I was working as an Engineer and was lucky to lead a project that did the first payment solutions in this country called eGhana. It was for three banks: Cal Bank, Trust Bank and Ecobank.
At the time, we came in and started deploying our systems. Then the Bank of Ghana rightly moved in. I later understood why it was necessary for them to do what they did because we came in as a communication and solutions provider. That is where I agree with the Hon Member for Bolga Central that the Communication outfit needs to focus on dealing with the communication networks.
Mr Speaker, at the time, the Bank of Ghana moved in and required that because the entity would handle the information concerning the accounts of banking customers, it was necessary that the entity which would own the switch which would handle those accounts information should be owned in majority by the banks who were under the direct control and supervision of the Bank of Ghana.
Mr Richard Acheampong (NDC— Bia East) 1:12 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker for the opportunity to support the Motion captured on page 9 of today's Order Paper.
Mr Speaker, the essence of this Motion is the clearing and settlement payment system in the financial sector. Previously, if one wanted to do any transaction, one had to physically present a cheque. Then it would go to the clearing system and they would manually pick the cheque as against any bank that those cheques were drawn from.
However, by the introduction of Ghana Integrated Financial Management Infor- mation System (GIFMIS), one would just present the cheque to a bank and they would scan the cheque.
So only the images would be seen at the other end. They would do the debit and credit, so that each bank would receive either debit or credit. At least, it has brought efficiency to the financial sector.
So the financial inclusion that we are talking about and targeting the unbanked society is on course. Consolidating all those laws is the way to go, so that we could at least know that if we have a population of 30 million, at least about 25 million would be part of the financial sector.
With the introduction of tax Iden- tification Numbers (TIN), any tax administration would know the target group and could also deal with them. It would also avoid the situation where people would carry bulky money to travel and be attacked by armed robbers. This is something that we need to support.
Mr Speaker, clause 33 of the Bill talks about a dormant account. Then clause 33 (2) (d) says:
“terminate the electronic money account that is blocked for 12 months without reactivation by the customer and
(e) transfer the balance of an electronic money account that has been terminated along with identified infor- mation into a separate account with a float holding bank or any other bank designated by the Bank of Ghana''.
Mr Speaker, for example, if a person has GH¢1million or GH¢500,000.00 in his or her MTN wallet and travels outside the country for five years without making any transaction from that wallet, for the mere fact that he or she has travelled outside the country for more than 12 months, the account would be blocked and there is no window for reactivation and the money would be put into a separate account.
Meanwhile, the person might be alive and not dead. Does it mean that if the person returns after three years, he or she cannot have access to the amount in the wallet?
Mr Speaker, with the main stream in the financial sector, a person could travel for five or 10 years and the account would be declared dormant but when the person returns, the account could be activated through the ‘'know your customer process'' and the person would have access to his or her fund.
Mr Speaker, when we get to clauses 33 at the Consideration Stage, something has to be done about it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Hon Member, that is not my experience with the mobile money. I am sure many of us engage in mobile money transfers very frequently. My experience is, any time that I wrongly sent money to another account, I call and the money is reversed. May be, it could take about 24 hours or there about, but it is reversed. Is that not the case?
Hon Member, what you suggested was that the person is asked to deal with the wrong recipient, but I have never had that experience. I just want to be sure that we do not put the wrong information across.
Mr R. Acheampong 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, you are right, but I have given you a further information. If one is lucky to report to the telcos and the money still lies in the third person's wallet, then the reversal could be done, but if one is not lucky and the third person has withdrawn the money from his or her wallet then that ends it.
Mr Speaker, I would want to give you an example of myself. I transferred money from my Ghana Commercial Bank (GCB) account to my personal wallet and instead of typing ‘'1-2'', I typed ‘'1-3'' and an amount of GH¢2,000.00 went to a different wallet.
Before I called the telco, the person had withdrawn the money from the wallet and I was told to deal with the person. The person did not respond to my calls until I sent him a distress message. He called back and said he truly had the money, but he would return only GH¢1,000.00.
I negotiated with him and he sent me the GH¢1,000.00 and kept the balance of GH¢1,000.00 and I could not do anything about it because I was told to deal directly with him. All they said to me was ‘' Hon, it does happen so just negotiate and take whatever amount the person would send'' [Laughter] — and that was the end of it.
Mr Speaker, if there is no window or law for transferring money to unsuspecting beneficiary, then there is something wrong with the system. I asked the officials who appeared before the Committee and they said they were still thinking through.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Has the former Attorney General and Minister for Justice; Hon Joe Ghartey left the Chamber? I had wanted him to assist me. In this case, is the person not a thief? Can he not be prosecuted?
Dr Ayine — rose —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Yes, the former Hon Deputy Attorney-General and Minister for Justice is here. Can the person not be prosecuted?
Dr Ayine 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, under the General Criminal Law, it should be possible for the person to be prosecuted for taking
the money which does not belong to him or her. In a situation like that, it could be a case for stealing or defrauding by false pretences.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Member is right. What could be done is to create a specific regime with penalties attached that would deal with that kind of situations.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:12 p.m.
Very well. When we get to the Consideration Stage, it would be discussed.
Hon Member, please continue.
Mr R. Acheampong 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, these are the two issues I would want us to have a second look at, so that when we get to the Consideration Stage, we would find windows to deal with that because most people go through this. If a person visits any of the telcos, they would share with him or her that he or she is not the first person and would not be the last person.
This cannot be the best explanation that could be given because since we would come under this legal regime, we should find a way of saving the financial sector, so that the financial inclusion would be something people would be proud of than to create this avenue for other people to take undue advantage of.
Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for the opportunity.
Mr Anthony Effah (NPP -- Asikuma/ Odoben/Brakwa) 1:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, this Bill which is before us is very timely and particularly some of the clauses give us comfort when we have to make payments or to receive transfers.
Mr Speaker, one of the critical requirements under this Bill is that, any person who intends to operate a payment
system has to be licensed by the Central Bank of Ghana and there are very important requirements the person has to meet to be qualified to do this. This gives some comfort to transactions that we may have.
Mr Speaker, under the Bill, there is another clause which I find exciting, and that is where operators of this system would be required to provide some form of collateral to the Central Bank or under the Scheme such that any transfers that would come already have some accounts which are already funded by the transfers. This is a good improvement in the Payment System.
Mr Speaker, one other requirement is that should anybody operate under this System, that operator is supposed to give real time value for all transfers. Sufficient sanctions have been provided under this Bill for people or operators who would receive moneys, but would not credit customers almost immediately to have value.
Mr Speaker, another requirement that I find exciting is that, sometimes, some of these payment systems do not have audit trails. When the transaction is concluded and it is in error, it is very difficult to see where to start and where to end so that it could be determined who has the resources.
This payment system requires all operators to have built in control mechanisms such that any transactions from origination to payments out are tracked electronically so that moneys would not be lost.
Mr Speaker, having transactions all denominated in cedis would make our currency very strong and would also avoid the conversion risk. If I were to pay anybody in a different currency apart from the cedi, then whatever rate would be applied may depend on the benevolence of the operator.
Mr Samuel Nartey George (NDC — Ningo-Prampram) 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the Report of the Finance Committee on the Payment Systems and Services Bill,
2018.
Mr Speaker, in this day and age, a Bill that seeks to harmonise and regulate electronic money transaction is a step in the right direction and it is something that we must all encourage and support.
Mr Speaker, when we look at the Committee's Report, one of the first things I would want to speak on is the fact that we need to, as a people, look again at the double charges that exist on mobile money transactions, especially for underserved communities and people in the rural areas and see how well we could harmonise those charges and bring about a regime that would handle them.
Mr Speaker, it is also important for us to understand the fact that the e-money services that we talk about today have a vehicle which is also basically run on the communication networks. This is because most of these services run on the back of communication networks. That is what Hon Adongo spoke about, a certain conflict that may arise.
Mr Speaker, recently, in the past four weeks, we have seen a certain head button between the secretary of the Bank of Ghana and the Hon Minister for Communications over a similar issue that has to do with e-money.
This is because there appears to be overlapping of roles in that sector. It is clearly important that this Bill comes and be passed into law, it states specifically that everything that has to do with e- money transactions are the sole preserve of the Bank of Ghana and the Ministry of Finance and its allied institutions.
Mr Speaker, the vehicle for carrying these services remain the remit of the Ministry of Communications, so that we do not have an overlap of these government agencies on who does what and who does not do what.
This is because at the end of the day, in that instance, we are told by the Bank of Ghana that there is a possible breach of data of e-money service users under the interoperability platform. And there is the need for the Bank of Ghana to ensure the integrity of its customers' data and protect their data from being com- promised by a service provider.
Mr Speaker, this leads to the point Hon Opare-Ansah made about our seeming obsession with creating one point of failure and having one service provider offer us a gamut of services across various spheres of operations.
Mr Speaker, when we have one service provider taking care of the Telcos and their revenue generation and also have a centric point of penetration into our financial sector, if that service provider has a compromising incidence on his system, it compromises and gives the gateway into our financial systems. And so it is important for us not to create one single point of failure in our entire architecture in the country.
Mr Speaker, it is important that we spell out when we come to the detail at the Consideration Stage, that the security of data that is generated by users of our e- services must be taken as a matter of utmost responsibility and importance. And we cannot compromise on the security of people's data.
Mr Speaker, in wrapping up and in supporting this Bill, I would want to say that it is important for this House to consider a harmonisation of this Bill with the Electronic Transactions Act (ETA). This is because if we are not careful, we would have two different Acts of Parliament that seem to be overlapping each other and in some instances we may have conflicts.
And so there would be the need for us to look at this Bill when we pass it. This is because it is a Bill I support but we also need to look at the scope of the Electronics Transactions Act and ensure that there are no conflicts or grey areas that are left between the Payment Systems and Services Bill which would become a law and the Electronic Trasactions Act.
Mr Speaker, one last appeal I will make; when such Bills are to be referred to the Committee on Finance and there are issues that relate to information technology, it should be a Joint Committee of Finance
and Communications. That would help us to have a holistic conversation around some of these issues.
Mr Speaker, this is because if the Communications Committee had worked on this with the Finance Committee, I am sure we would have had some inputs from our Sector Ministry that would have helped us to streamline and harmonise some of these Bills.
Mr Kwabena Okyere Darko-Mensah (NPP — Takoradi) 1:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I am very happy for the opportunity to support the Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018.
Mr Speaker, I am happy that the Bank of Ghana and the Ministry of Finance is trying to come up with speed to secure new payment systems such as the prepaid cards, credit cards, electronic platforms and payment instruments.
Mr Speaker, five years ago, when I visited China, we were not only paying with our credit cards, but people were paying with their phones. Today, we have things like Alipay, Samsung pay, and Apple pay. And I believe that Ghana being an integral part of the developing world, would definitely catch up with a lot of these new technologies.
Mr Speaker, we are saying that it is important that we use such Bills to correct the imbalance between the traditional modes of banking and the branchless type of banking. But one key issue that I find strange is that even though we are trying to get a lot of the unbanked banking, the charges associated with electronic payment systems seemed to be very expensive.
Mr Speaker, one puts money in and in taking it out, has to pay for it. When it is transferred to somebody and the person is taking his or her own money, the person

also has to pay, and the charges are not small. Cumulatively, I believe that the poor whom we are trying to target would continue to pay more than those who are even using the traditional banking system.

Mr Speaker, I yesterday transferred money to somebody and immediately I did so, the person said he was deducting GH¢40 from the money. Then I told the person to rather transfer it to his Bank before picking the money out.

Mr Speaker, while we are trying to put in these mechanisms to cover the unbanked, we should also appreciate that a lot of the unbanked are in the lower brackets of society. They are usually the very poor, and therefore, the more we continue to tax them and take more of their money, the more we are punishing them than actually enhancing their lives.

Mr Speaker, if we look at the Report that was presented by the Committee, it says that 31 million people hold various forms of electronic money accounts, and I agree. And for the traditional, it is 12,500 people. But the problem is that, a lot of Ghanaians have different phones.

And so naturally, one person who has three phones would be the same person we are serving but would be having three different accounts. It does not necessarily mean that the numbers have actually gone up to these figures. And that is why it is important that we are clear about the type of identifications (IDs) that people also use in the registration of multiple Sim Cards.

This is because, most of the time, when people transfer money into other people's account and the moneys are bulkly or it was even by mistake, what happens is that these people sometimes refuse or

immediately take those moneys without allowing the owners to get a refund. It is because most of the IDs we have used in registering for our Sim Cards are usually either fake or the wrong ones.

And I believe that it is important that everyone in this country should support the national ID that we are developing for this nation, so that we can have one identity for all these types of registration so that the fraud that is being perpetuated because of the Mobile Money Transfer System would be brought to a minimum.

Mr Speaker, furthermore, one area I believe that we have to also look at is the issue that my Hon Brother did mention; the regulation between the Bank of Ghana and the Ministry of Communications, because of the Electronic Transaction Act and what we are actually developing today.

Mr Speaker, I believe it is something that we need to be clear on so that if we have to amend one Act and incorporate those amendments into the other Act, it would go a long way to serve this country.

Mr Speaker, more so, where a lot of the communities are still not being reached with telecom services, what other technologies can we also introduce so that when this Act becomes effective, all those other people at the last mile would also still get the opportunity to be serviced by this Act that we are developing.

Mr Speaker, with these few words, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to have added my voice.
Mr Joseph Yieleh Chireh (NDC — Wa West) 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, thank you very much.
The Committee has recommended that we take this Bill through the Second Reading. We are all happy that this Bill has come before us.
Mr Speaker, but one important issue is the fraudulent behaviour of those who are transmitting these moneys. You go to a service provider; you may give them your money to send to a village or some other place where the people there are not sophisticated.
What happens is that as soon as you send the money, another person gets the information and says that you have received money from this person. It was a mistake so can you send it back and they offer a different number and give you steps to follow to send it?
Mr Speaker, in doing so, you end up giving them your Personal Identification Number (PIN) and they take the money away. Just last week, two friends of mine complained of this same thing happening here in Parliament. So it is something that we should stress when it comes to considering this Bill in terms of what should be provided for.
Mr Speaker, there is a problem of who to blame; those who are providing the service claim that the fraudsters have managed to hack into their telecommunication system and therefore, when you are transmitting your money, they know where you are sending it to and they do that.
But it is also possible that those who are transmitting the money can do so because they write down your number and the number of the receiver of the money you are sending.
Therefore they could also be the people who transmit this information to some fraudulent people somewhere for those people to retrieve the moneys. But of course,
with sophisticated people in towns and cities, this problem does not arise. So I fully support this Motion and I think that we should also look at how to deal with this issue of fraud. It is too rampant for us to ignore it.
I thank you, Mr Speaker.
Minister for Communications (Mrs Ursula Owusu-Ekuful) 1:32 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the regulatory framework to guide the operations of the digital financial service infrastructure that we are putting in place by the day is long overdue. The Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018, is intended to cure that lacuna in our law.
However, it is an emerging area that our actions should seek to promote and not stifle. So a light regulatory touch is recommended as against a firm regulatory touch.
But we also need to be mindful of the fact that as we digitise our financial services, we also expose that infrastructure to the risk of cyber-attacks and we need to put in place the requisite measures to protect the depositors and those who transact business electronically on that medium from any form of cyber-attacks.
Mr Speaker, in this area as well, it necessarily has to be a multi-sectorial and multidisciplinary effort.
So we would urge all players in the sphere not to be so concerned about the protection of theft but to work in a collaborative manner to ensure that the ultimate beneficiaries of the systems that we are putting in place do not suffer any untoward experiences.
This is because people are more minded to protect their little spheres of influence than to look at this whole ecosystem in a globally holistic manner.
Minority Leader (Mr Haruna Iddrisu) 1:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for the opportunity to contribute to the Motion to adopt the Report of the Finance Committee on Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018.
In doing so, I would want to quote some writers by name Octovia Gropper and Fernando Cury. Digital payment system is important and, as a country, we are technologically sharp and we should
move towards electronic applications, it is the way to go.
Mr Speaker, they argued that regula- tions concerning digital payment systems, including mobile money are being discussed in Latin America, Brazil, Ecuador and the more successful implementation of it is in Kenya with M- Pesa. Their argument is that we need to develop a legal framework which comes from three main sources.
First, there is great concern about the financial risk connected to this kind of operations; mobile payments, e-payments and e-banking. Second, there is the need to control compliance of regulations regarding money laundering and matters relating to terrorism and, the third point that the Hon Yieleh Chireh made is the need to protect consumers from fraud on behalf of the system administration.
Mr Speaker, in contributing to this Motion, I have a difficulty which is under article 106 of the 1992 Constitution. As a lawyer yourself, Mr Speaker, this article talks about the mischief rule. What is this mischief that the payment systems would come to correct in the Ghanaian law? I fail to see the mischief. I see a conflict.-
I have in my hand the Electronic Transactions Act of 2008, Act 772. Mobile Money Transfer and Mobile Banking are historically and undeniably pioneered by Mobile Network Operators (MNOs). Mobile Financial Services are anchored by MNOs.
Again, a second leg of the conflict is likely to be between the Bank of Ghana (BOG) and the National Communications Authority (NCA) which is the electronic regulator as established by law.

Dr Assibey-Yeboah — rose —
Mr Iddrisu 1:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Electronic Transactions Act of 2008, Act 772 which with your permission I quote:
“Applications — The Act applies to electronic transactions and electronic records of every time.”
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:42 p.m.
Hon Minority Leader, hold on.
Hon Member, if you intend to catch my eye, stand and keep quiet. You engage in exchanges and then try to draw my attention.
Now, let me hear you.
Dr Assibey-Yeboah 1:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he has repeated over and over again that the function that he just read resides with NCA. It does not; it is NITA.
Mr Iddrisu 1:42 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he must check the records. I set up NITA as Minister for Communications. It used to have a different name but on my recommendations —
Mr Speaker, on authority, he should like it or not -- He should go and study the legislation. He is not the one to teach me regulation. NITA does not regulate electronic transactions. They do not have the mandate.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:42 p.m.
Hon Assibey-Yeboah, you are out of order.
Mr Iddrisu 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it used to be Ghana Investment Fund for Electronic Communications (GIFEC). I wish the Hon Opare-Ansah were here to help him.
Mr Speaker, my point is that there would be a regulatory conflict between NCA of the Ministry of Communications and BOG. I insist that BOG is subject to the regulatory mandate of the NCA on matters of mobile money and mobile money interoperability. Indeed, it is wrong and it was wrong for BOG to even proceed to set up the platform without collaborative concurrence with the NCA.
Mr Speaker, indeed, on e-application, if you would recall when Hon Prof. Mike Oquaye and Hon Kan Dapaah left the Ministry of Communications, we invested in infrastructure because the next leg for Ghana in terms of Information Technology (IT) is mobile applications.
So I would support the principle of an improved e-payment system but not this Bill because it engenders conflict which is dangerous because if we do not harmonise it, they are a very important cow when it comes to taxation and revenue.
Mr Speaker, I would give you an elementary example and the Hon Chairman of the Committee on Finance should hear this. We use our mobile phones as a channel to do mobile transactions in mobile banking. Now, we are talking of a licence regime even under this Bill. Which regime and who gives that licence? It is the NCA and not NITA or BOG.
Mr Speaker, this is elementary. Assuming today, one of the Telecommunications Companies (Telcos) referred to as MNOs is
sanctioned by the regulator or the Minister for Communications and they are out of business, could we do mobile banking and mobile money transfer with them? Could BOG proceed with any transactions? So, it is basic and he should learn; it is not their mandate. If he gets it wrong, he gets it wrong.
Mr Speaker, this is a House of record. I would want to be recorded that I do not support this Bill because it engenders conflict. What the Executive should do if they are so convinced about this is to get the collaboration of the NCA and their understanding so that BOG could proceed.
Mr Speaker, tomorrow, if the BOG itself offends any electronic transaction application, where would we go to? We would go back to the regulator which is the NCA.
Mr Speaker, in terms of jurisdiction, we are today talking about BOG. Some of the financial transactions including mobile banking, e-commerce and e-business — Again, those who want to learn — In Kenya, we have what we call person-to- person (P2P) which is what we all do in Ghana.
We have now evolved beyond P2P to person to business (P2B). People now use it to pay bills and do other things. The headquarters of that transaction is again in the hands of the regulator.
So the principle of the Bill to harmonise is important. But let this Bill cure a mischief to avoid conflict in terms of who regulates our electronic space and in my strongest view, it cannot be the BOG. The BOG itself with their mobile businesses are subject to the regulation of the NCA.
Mr Speaker, I would not know what happens at Cabinet although I have been there before. We have done this before.
One would have even thought that a Bill of this nature must be co-sponsored by the two agencies. I wish I could share some experiences.
Even revenue, there are times that during my term as Minister for Communications, the Minister for Finance would have to whisper to me because the Telcos mattered in terms of what Government could get at a certain point in order to balance its books and move forward to undertake development.
Mr Speaker, we are not dealing with an easy matter. It is at the heart of Government and its revenue and they matter because citizens enjoy the mobile telephony and its applications. I do not see the amendments proposed by the Committee dealing with these issues.
Mr Speaker, I would have liked to juxtapose provisions of the Electronic Transactions Act with the Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018, but let me just refer you to the interpretation column;
Electronic Communication means electronic records; electronic transaction means a transaction by an electronic agent and encrypted product.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Chairman knows what “encrypted” means. Those of you who enjoy social media too know. I do not do it because the phones you all have do not even have the power and tool of encryption, therefore we walk naked with many of the information shared — there is a headquarters somewhere.

Mr Speaker, the principle of an electronic payment system to improve revenue for the Government is good, and

it is good for the Bank of Ghana to implement it.

How I wish that the Parliament of Ghana would sponsor the Committees on Finance and Communications to Kenya and, probably, Brazil and Ecuador to study this. We should not rush to do this.

In fact, in Kenya, when they introduced the electronic payment system, they withdrew it. We could find out what Kenya did, which we could also do, to amend the Bank of Kenya Act. We could also consider something like that.

Mr Speaker, there are many provisions in this Bill that would not sit well with the Electronic Transactions Act. This Bill is a usurpation of the mandate and authority of the regulator of our electronic transaction and commerce space.

On that note, I am opposed to us going forward. The principle is that I support that the Government wants to have a legal framework regime to harmonise electronic payments, but the Bank of Ghana must be situated properly.

Mr Speaker, you would recall that since my vetting, when I was inexperienced then as an Hon Minister, I have acquired a wealth of knowledge in telecommunications and communication. Even globally, I have consulted for the International Telecom- munication Union (ITU); the Hon Minister knows that. [Hear! Hear!] In Ghana, sometimes, our expertise may not be valued.

My Hon Colleague who also knows the area is here. I would wait for him to take his seat and then conclude.
Mr Iddrisu 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, there is a conflict between

Have I called his name? [Laughter.] The principle is good, but the mandate is not for the Bank of Ghana, which is itself subject to regulation by the NCA. This is our electronic space, and it is regulated well.

Mr Opare-Ansah — rose —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Hon Member for Suhum?
Mr Opare-Ansah 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the Hon Minority Leader is completely misleading us. [Laughter.] The institution respon- sible for the management of the provisions under the Electronic Transactions Act is not the NCA; it is NITA. [Interruption.] You have the law; read it.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Hon Member, are you addressing me or doing
— ?
Mr Opare-Ansah 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, for the Hon Minority Leader to suggest that because the Bank of Ghana, in imple- menting the payments system, would infringe on the provisions of the Electronic Transactions Act is neither here nor there. Let me advert the mind of the — [Interruption.] No, I am on a point of order.
Mr Speaker, let me advert the mind of the Hon Minority Leader to the fact that once we provide a good electronic environment, several services, including
legal services — In the United States of America, we have law firms today that exist only in cyberspace; they do not have brick and mortar offices. All their services are delivered virtually. Does the Hon Minority Leader suggest that in Ghana?
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Hon Member, your point of order is that it is the NCA that should regulate and not the Bank of Ghana.
Mr Opare-Ansah 1:52 p.m.
There were two points, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
They were two — I have heard the one on NITA and this one. I have heard your opinion already, which is in contrast with his; but on that matter, it is not a question of fact. It is a question of opinion and inter- pretation. It is only the question on NITA that we would refer to the law.
Hon Minority Leader, please conclude.
Mr Iddrisu 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in my submission, I referred to Act 772, the Electronic Transactions Act of 2008. The Long Title reads, and I beg to quote:
“AN ACT to provide for the regulation of electronic commu- nications and related transactions and to provide for connected purposes”.
Section 2 of the Act -- electronic transactions and electronic records are in mobile network operators. He knows that and should, therefore show me where in this Act he thinks that it is vested in NITA. He was not here when I said it. It used to be Ghana Investment Funds for Commu- nications (GIFTEC); I transformed it into NITA when I was then the Hon Minister for Communications.
He knows GIFTEC too well which was its original name. In fact, one of my Hon Colleagues — [Interruption.] You have a problem there. Even that was how the Hon Member for Zabzugu —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Hon Member, address the issue and show the law —
Mr Iddrisu 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, he therefore misleads this House when he says that our electronic space, including electronic transactions, is only under NITA. The regulator in Ghana —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Hon Members, having regard to the state of Business, I direct that the House Sits outside the regular Sitting hours.
Hon Minority Leader, please, continue.
Mr Iddrisu 1:52 p.m.
Mr Speaker, in Ghana, there is only one known regulator in the electronic communication sector, which includes electronic transactions. The NCA, the regulator -- maybe, because I was not told -- I have asked for the NCA Act so that I can refer to it; but I would refer to the application and scope of the Electronic Transactions Act. [Interruption.]
Mr Speaker, I have registered my reservation to the Bill. I support the principle, but I maintain that conflict would be engendered between the Bank of Ghana, the NCA and NITA, by extension.

Mrs Owusu-Ekuful — rose —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 1:52 p.m.
Before the Majority Leadership comes in, the Hon Minister wants to make a correction.
Mrs Owusu-Ekuful 2:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I have just a little correction.
Mr Speaker, the Electronic Communica- tions Act mandates the NCA as the regulator for electronic communications. The Electronic Transactions Act refers to NITA as the regulator for electronic transactions. So in section 30 of the Electronic Transactions Act, NITA facilitates the establishment of all certifying agencies.
So it is just a little confusion between the Electronic Communications Act and the Electronic Transactions Act- [Interruption.] The regulator of electronic transactions under the Electronic Transactions Act is the NITA, and the regulator of electronic commu- nications under the Electronic Commu- nications Act is the NCA.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 p.m.
Hon Majority Leadership — [Pause.]
Majority Leader (Mr Osei Kyei- Mensah-Bonsu) 2:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I believe the distinction has already been made by the Hon Minister, and I would not attempt to overflog it.
We are all clear in our minds that electronic transactions are in the hands of NITA and electronic communications,
NCA.
Mr Speaker, what we are dealing with now has to do with what distinction that we can make between electronic banking and the transaction -- I believe that the Constitution in article 183 is very clear on who should be responsible for banking. We should be clear in our minds that we cannot use the statutes to amend the Constitution.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, please continue.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I believe that what we need to do now is to really have a close-shop regulation on this because the setting up of this interoperability platform is useful. Just before I came here, I had transmitted about GH¢6,000.00 to three different people and [Interruption] --
Mr Speaker, so the point I am making is that before one transmits GH¢2,000.00, they must pay GH¢20 here and then pay another GH¢20 ahead and that is GH¢40. It is very expensive, but because there is no regulation, who is taking the money? The operators.
This is one area that if we are able to bring sanity into, we would be able to harvest a lot of revenue for the State.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader, the Report does not suggest that they will regulate that and that is one question mark I have put there. If you look at page 9 of the Report subtitled Charges on Mobile Money Transfer it says and I beg to quote:
“The Committee noted that mobile money transfers attract two charges. The originator pays for sending the money and the beneficiary pays for receiving the transfer.
The technical team explained that these charges were imposed to encourage agents of the electronic money provider to operate in underprivileged areas. The Committee was however assured that the Bank of Ghana would continue to engage providers…”
That in my opinion, is not an assurance and it means that you are still leaving it to the provider, we should provide a clause. I am not seeing their murmuring there.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is the point I am making that we need to sanitise. Dubai has a population of less than five million, yet every year, they are able to harvest over US$250 million from their interoperability system.
Last year, South Africa had about US$195 million. If we sanitise the system here, I believe we can have enough to cater for our Free SHS from mobile transfers alone.
Going forward, I am not saying that that is what we have to use to pay but that it is possible. Let us think outside the box. It is not a matter of meeting this with any chorus.
It is important that if we are able to bring sanity to bear, it is a guarantee for this country and if it is not for the Free SHS programme at all, we could ring fence and use it for whatever propose that will benefit the entirety of the nation, whether it is Free SHS or capitation grant for the elementary schools that we have.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 p.m.
For example, Suame town roads.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:02 p.m.
Mr Speaker, or Suame township roads [Interruption] -- I am not talking about Wenamda in the constituency of Hon Adomako-Mensah. There is a village in his constituency called Wenamda. [Laughter.]
Mr Alex Adomako-Mensah 2:02 p.m.
— rose —
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:02 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Mr Adomako-Mensah 2:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, my name was mentioned and I would want to find out exactly what — ? [Laughter.]
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 p.m.
The Hon Majority Leader says that if we save the money, it could be used to tar a town called Wenamda.
Mr Adomako-Mensah 2:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, it is a beautiful town. [Laughter.]
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, so I believe that we really need to have a serious look at this and we must find a way to avoid conflicts while sanitising the system to ensure that the BoG is allowed to do what constitutionally, they are mandated to do and the regulators in the realm of technology will also have their way to do what is required of them. We avoid conflict and we are then able to position the country to harvest what is due the State but which people are not paying.
Mr Speaker, this is because the system now is not cleaned up at all and anybody can do whatever they like. So I believe that the Payment Systems and Services Bill is good.
Going forward, and before we go to the Consideration Stage, we must look at the policy drive, what to do to avoid conflict whiles ensuring that the nation benefits maximally from the operations of the payment systems.
Mr Speaker, I thank you very much for the space granted.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 p.m.
Hon Members, unless the Hon Deputy Minister wishes to wind up, I would put the Question.

and Hon Members for a very lively and vigorous debate.

I really believe that this Bill would begin the consolidation of the space when it comes to electronic money and puts us at the fore front of the developing sector, including crypto currency, bitcoins and all kinds of electronic payment systems.

Mr Speaker, thank you very much.

Question put and Motion agreed to.

The Payment Systems and Services Bill, 2018, was accordingly read a Second time.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 p.m.
Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:12 p.m.
Mr Speaker, if we could take the Motion numbered 10.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 p.m.
Hon Members, we would suspend Sitting for five minutes.
2.15 p.m. -- Sitting suspended.
2.19 p.m. -- Sitting resumed.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:12 p.m.
Hon Members the item numbered 10.
Hon Chairman of the Committee?
MOTIONS 2:12 p.m.

Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Hon Member for Sekyere Afram Plains.
Mr Alex Adomako-Mensah (NDC -- Sekyere Afram Plains) 2:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to second the Motion.
Mr Speaker, the development objective of the Energy Sector Transformation Initiative Project for Ghana is firstly to strengthen the capacity of the energy sector to improve reforms and to improve energy sector planning and coordination in Ghana.
Mr Speaker, the rationale for the project is to address the financial sector coordination issues. The financing would
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Yes, Hon
Member?
Mr Anthony Effah (NPP -- Asikuma/ Odoben/Brakwa) 2:22 p.m.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, the Ghana Energy Sector Transformation Initiative Project calls for funding to streamline the activities of the
various players in the energy sector. To say that the energy sector plays an important role in the development of the country is an understatement. Most industries rely on the energy sector, households rely on the energy sector, financial sector relies on the energy and in our homes, we all rely on energy.
Mr Speaker, because of its importance, we have several players in the energy industry. For example, we have the Volta River Authority (VRA), the Ghana Grid Company (GRIDCo), the Ghana National Gas Company Limited, West African Gas Pipeline, Nigeria Gas, Emerging Energy Power Players and several state-owned enterprises.
Mr Speaker, what is common about these various players in the industry is that they have difficulties with their financing and also with some technical challenges. These, for example, have led to transmission losses, non-payment for supplies received, inadequate mobili- sation of revenues, and high cost of fuel for operating our thermal power plants.
Mr Speaker, all these make the institutions in the energy sector inefficient. The Ghana Energy Sector Transformation Initiative Project is a technical assistance project which seeks to provide an integrated solution to the various challenges of these various players in the energy sector.
The project intends to provide a framework to improve planning, coor- dination and also decision making. It also seeks to improve regulation within the energy sector.
Mr Speaker, the financial flows of these institutions are now doing well, and
revenue mobilisation and even the distribution of the collected revenue, as a result of which the government itself is considering the Cash Waterfall Project.
While the Cash Waterfall Project is a solution to the challenges of the energy sector players, that project itself needs funding. This particular facility is intended to support the project so that they can also oversee the completion of works in the various energy sector.
Mr Speaker, my understanding is that this facility would also enhance electronic billing and collection of revenues by the providers.
Mr Speaker, I also realised that there is some indication, and some work has been done to restructure VRA. The information I have is that Government intends to separate the activities of VRA into hydro thermal and other assets, and this facility we are seeking is to support the restructuring of the VRA.
Mr Speaker, if we are able to improve the financial management of these institutions and as well resolve some of the technical challenges, we are hopeful that these institutions would be more efficient in the energy sector and would be able to provide sufficient access to energy for Ghanaians; the businesses, the industries, and the households.
Mr Speaker, I would like to say that this House should gracefully support the motion for the facility.
I thank you so much, Mr Speaker.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Yes, Hon Member?
Mr Frank Fuseini Adongo (NDC -- Zebilla) 2:22 p.m.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.
rose
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
I thought you had a point of order but he —
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I really had but when I got up, he sat down quickly. When he said that “people act before they think”, I thought that was most offensive. In any event, he started by saying that he supports the Report before us and then, he ends up trying to tear it into shreds. Did he act before he thought? [Laughter.]
Mr Speaker, if he acts before he thinks, it is his own problem, but real people think before they act including me.
Question put and Motion agreed to.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Hon Deputy
Minister for Finance, you may move the Resolution contained in the item numbered 11 on the Order Paper.
RESOLUTION 2:22 p.m.

Minister for Finance) 2:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I beg to move, that
WHEREAS by the provisions of article 181 of the Constitution and sections 55 and 56 of the Public Financial Management Act of 2016 (Act 921), the terms and conditions of all government borrowings shall be laid before Parliament and shall not come into operation unless the terms and conditions are approved by a resolution of Parliament in accordance with article 181 of the Constitution;
PURSUANT to the provisions of the said article 181 of the Constitution and sections 55 and 56 of the Public Financial Management Act of 2016 (Act 921), at the request of the Government of the Republic Ghana acting through the Minister responsible for Finance, there has been laid before Parliament a Financing Agree- Agreement between the Go- vernment of the Republic of Ghana and the International Development Association (IDA) for an amount of fourteen million, two hundred thousand Special Drawing Rights (SDR 14,200,000) [equivalent to US$20.00 million] to finance the proposed Ghana Energy Sector Transformation Initiative Project.
THIS HONOURABLE HOUSE 2:22 p.m.

HEREBY RESOLVES AS 2:22 p.m.

Dr Mark Assibey-Yeboah 2:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, I second the Motion.
Question put and Motion agreed to. Resolved accordingly.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Very well. At this juncture, I believe I could bring the proceedings to a close since the Leadership has abandoned the House. [Pause]-
Yes, Hon Majority Leader?
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker,
I thought we were going to create some space to continue with the Consideration of the Right to Information Bill, 2018? I know you do not have a back-up today, so if you want to adjourn, that is fine. But clearly, I wanted us to continue with the consideration of the RTI.
But knowing where you are; that you are really impaired, if you want us to adjourn the House, we could.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Not only that, your House is empty because Hon Members have to work on the Estimates, so I believe it would be inappropriate to have Hon Members have a divided attention, wanting to be part of this and also have the responsibility to do that.
Mr Kyei-Mensah-Bonsu 2:22 p.m.
Mr Speaker, the key operators, the Members of the Committee on Legal, Constitutional and Parliamentary Affairs are not incumbent, and I was sounding the Hon Chairman of the Committee to call the Hon Ranking Member. But I know you do not have a back-up today, so if you have to adjourn today -- Mr Speaker, but tomorrow and a day after, we would have to create some space to deal with that.
Mr First Deputy Speaker 2:22 p.m.
Yes, I would pray the Leadership to ensure that I have a back-up to make things easier for me.
ADJOURNMENT 2:22 p.m.